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Writing Hubs For Fun, Profit... And Death Threats

Updated on April 15, 2009
 

Kathy Sierra, Robert Scoble, Michael Arrington... what do I have in common with them? Well, I'm certainly not as well-known a blogger as they are, but what we do have in common is that we have all received death threats for our online writing.

It all started at my How To Destroy Your CPU By Lapping It Hub when I explained that the soapy water sanding removal of the nickel coating (IHS) of a CPU in soapy water (it still boggles the mind...) in a vain attempt to make it run up to 20 degrees Centigrade cooler was ridiculous and that any "lapper" expecting these temperature deltas was a moron. I was then barraged by a tempest of frenzied comments, most of them written at a sixth-grade education level, calling me every dirty name in the book for daring to defend a process which Intel and AMD have firmly and repeatedly stated will immediately void any semblance of CPU warranty.

Hey, you want to come onto my Hub and tell me I'm wrong, go ahead. That's why the First Amendment exists in the country where HubPages is headquartered. Let 'er rip.

But these towering intellects went a bit further: In what they might have mistakenly thought was their private sanctum, www.overclock.net, they went on to engage their prepubescent hormones (obviously spiked after playing bloody mutilating video games all night) with threats of death towards yours truly:

cisf0rcalvin: i want to kill him.

a1161979: Me too, I'll hold him while you stab.

Cyth'Rawl: How about I pull a pin out of a grenade, cram it up his ass and video it... Perhaps being lowered into a meatgrinder...

DIRTYDUCK: ...building a water slide for him made of razor blades and fill the pool with lemon juice and rock salt.

Vagrant Storm: I am rather particular to strangling some one with their own intestines...

Dezixn: He should be hurt.

The best part about this is that these fools go on to identify exactly what they commented on the Hub under different nicknames, without realizing that DUH, I've got your IP address now! And I've saved your site's entire thread's HTML in case you manage to convince your Moderators to erase it!

Of course, these bozos also think that I'd be stupid enough to live in the city shown on my profile when I use my own, very traceable legal name rather than hide behind a nickname. I even drop hints all the time in my Hubs as to my actual location, but it's obvious that these lunatics lack the cranial capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, let alone engage in (gasp) logical deduction!

But here is the best part! Guess who IS in Toronto?

  • overclock.net
  • Shogun Interactive Development
  • Domain Admin (contact@shogun.org)
  • +1.4169074185
  • 119 Spadina Ave.
  • Box 333
  • Toronto, M5V 2L0

You guys have made is so easy on me! I won't even have to deal with the FBI on a cross-border investigation. All I have to do is dial 613-993-7267 for the RCMP Headquarters in Ottawa. You see, Canadian web site publishers have legal responsibility for moderating comments made on their sites. Naturally, no one can prevent crazies from posting whatever criminal statements they want on an open forum, but strictly specific legal precedent has been established that if the web site publishers do not delete said content once they have been made formally aware of it, then they can be held profoundly liable. If you have any doubts about how serious the Canadian courts are about this, just ask Holocaust Denier Ernst Zundel who was deported to his native Germany and is now serving five years in prison for his website writings which didn't even go as far as posting death threats.

Geez... what did I say about lappers being morons... :)

So, what do YOU think? Should we all be submitted to threats of bodily violence leading to death when we write on HubPages? Should we let the perpetrators continue to be confident in their invulnerability on the Wild West Web, or should we use every legal channel at our disposal to shut down the sites that publish Holocaust Denials and Death Threats?

All comments will be reviewed and published. Er... except those expressing a desire to kill me. :)

For the conclusion of this story, check my The Quality Of Mercy Hub.

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Nonsense. You're confusing a blog (this one) with a 24 hour a day, fully moderated, staffed forum (OCN), where they let the comments stand for days!

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    Dave 8 years ago

    I do not think that overclock.net could be held responsible in this situation. This is why.

    Say you have the comments set to auto accept. Someone comes on here and posts racist, mean, and death threat comments to people. You are somewhere where you can't delete that post. Should your page be deleted because of what a idiot did?

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    video game rentals 8 years ago

    You This is a very interesting topic

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    As I stated in its title, there was mercy involved, although believe me... it was close. I still wonder whether I wouldn't have been better off to put the pedal to the metal and drive them into the dirt where they belong! :)

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    Andromeda10 8 years ago from Chicago

    For cryin' out loud! My threats weren't nearly as bad as yours and others'. I can't wait to read the conclusion!

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    I don't practice safe sex. I've never had intercourse in a bank vault. :)

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    Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

    Me + guessing = great fun.

    True, you have to watch the clock if you're gonna put your bouncing babe in the sunny backyard/window, but it honestly does work. I should know; it worked for me when I was a baby. :-P Gotta love grandmas and their home remedies. I should write a hub on that...

    Maybe they should send all the African men to my old high school sex ed. class. "No sex is safe sex!" "Condoms? Ha, like they work!" "Birth control is for girls who can't keep their legs closed!" "Sex will always give you STD's!" Ah, the joys of living in Rural Minnesota...

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Excellent uberguessing! :) As for the sunshine, it does help to dissolve the bilirubin but you do have to be careful to limit the exposure as most Caucasian babies' skins don't have enough protection from the sun. Millions of men, mostly in Africa, believe the sex with virgins AIDS thing, so much so that child rape has skyrocketed there in the past few years.

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    Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

    Well, thank you for the compliment! Though, I must admit, I uber-guessed. :-P

    WD-40 relieves arthritis, you say? Iiiiiinteresting. I could have sworn that's what Aleve and Bayer were for. Did you know putting a baby with jaundice in direct sunlight cures the condition? I know that one for a fact. Though, having sex with virgin women curing AIDS is a new one. I have a whole list of home remedies that actually work, though the WD-40 and the virgin bit aren't on there. :-P

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Lapping is a completely stupid, moronic and idiotic thing to do and there is absolutely no justification. Lappers should grind down their foreheads so that they should more accurately resemble the Neanderthals they really are.

    You most certainly don't have to excuse yourself for your age, as your explanation of the diction is spot on! When I was 18 all I was doing was jumping motorcycles off ramps and chasing cheerleaders. You are most certainly to be congratulated for your maturity, knowledge and intelligence. Bravo!

    The apricot pit thing is an offshoot of the Laetrile nonsense of the Seventies. It seems that myths never die. Did you hear the one about WD-40 relieving arthritis? I could go on and on and on! Heck, we live in a world where it has been confirmed that there are millions of men who are completely convinced that having sex with a virgin cures their AIDS! Very sad! :(

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    Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

    ... But that's a stupid thing to do. o_O How would that make it run cooler? Wouldn't it cause it to like, explode from lack of something-or-other or whatever? You'd think that'd be a bad thing.

    Hmm. You know, you should cut me a bit of slack. :-P I am only 18, just graduated high school. But I'd probably have to go with Latinate Diction for informational Hubs, though it'll depend on the kind of informational Hub. If it's more technical, definately Latinate. If it's for beginners, Germanic.

    Also; apricot pits do NOT cure cancer. >.> That's just pathetic.

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    I would never say you are inferior, my dear Kika Rose. After all, keep in mind that I deal with Lappers and VMax enthusiasts on a daily basis. To me, you are a goddess among mortals! :)

    OK, then can you tell me whether Latinate or Germanic Diction is best suited for informational Hubs given the demographics of the site? :)

    The silly Lappers think that by grinding down their processor's metal covers like an iron worker working on a bridge beam they get them to run cooler. They're the same type of people who insist that Apricot Pits cure Cancer. There are smart people, there are stupid people, and then there's Lappers! :)

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    Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

    rofl! I was thinking more like grammar blahblahblah than getting into deep poetry! *bows* I am inferior, o Hal... :-P

    Dude, why would anyone do that to a computer? Isn't that just asking for trouble? That'd be like me touching the tower; baaaaaaaaaad! And why would they grind the cover off the processor? There must be a point to it, but I sure as heck don't see one. o_O

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Hi Kika Rose! Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad I made you giggle. I make all the girls giggle... but they usually point and laugh too. :) Lapping is when idiots with more money than brains buy a new $1000+ computer processor and then proceed to grind the cover off with soapy water and high grit sandpaper in an industrial procedure which would be right at home in an automotive engine machine shop. They obviously think that the insides of a computer CPU have valves, cylinders and pistons instead of incredibly fragile and static damage-prone electronics. OK, now that I've educated you on the plum foolishness of lapping, can you tell me how to rationalize the very different poetic style of Sir Francis with the Baconian Shakespeare theories? PWN ME BABE! :)

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    Kika Rose 8 years ago from Minnesota

    :') You make me giggle. I love reading stupidity, and you've provided it with the flamers' posts. It's sad that people would be so oblivious as to write those kinds of things on an open forum for everyone to see, and not expect some sort of legal action to be taken against them. Ah, the things idiots do...

    I will admit I have no idea what in heaven's name "lapping" is, but that could be because I'm an 18-year-old rural Minnesota girl that can't tell Gigabyte from a Megabyte or whatever the heck those things are. The extent of my knowledge is as follows; my little first gen. iPod Nano gets 2 GB of music. I'm still using dial-up. My nice new cell phone can play the radio!

    ... Yeah, that's about all I know as far as technology's concerned. :-P Ask me a good English question, and I'll have to pwn you.

    Oh; your personality reminds me of my own. That might be another reason as to why I LAWLed so hard while reading this.

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    pcdriverupdate, what was good? People wanting to kill me? You have a strange sense of humor! Do you stand around car crashes laughing at the body parts? :)

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    pcdriverupdate 8 years ago from VA

    haha, that was good =)

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Sure... I'll give ya a personal check for $15,000, but I hope you don't mind that I write it on rubber as it's gonna BOUNCE BOUNCE BOUNCE!!! :) Actually, I have been wondering about Higgs bosons, so I'd like my own Large Hadron Collider as well... Since I'm writing bouncing checks, I might as well write out one for $10.7 billion! :P

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    SilverFire 8 years ago

    Well, you do keep demanding that someone post proof in a reliable way, so I was giving you the option to "put your money where your mouth is," so to speak.

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    You want me to give you $10,000 or maybe even $15,000 so you can do YOUR test? Hahaahahaaaaaaaaaaa! Go get a grant, dude!

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    SilverFire 8 years ago

    Hal, I shall make you a deal, which I will then cop from your page (providing you post it), and stick to my business plan.

    Simply put, I will build tirty systems when my shop is up and running. There will be fifteen diffferent configurations, duplicated in pairs.

    Set 1, the controls, will not be lapped or modified in any way shape or form, while set 2, the test group, will be lapped. The lapping process wil be, of course, documented with video footage and notations on equipment used, labor put forth, etc.

    Once I have the numbers from each individual system, you can point me to any notable tech magazine, newpaper, scientific journal, and I will submit my data to them.

    Providing they verify the information (I will of course make the systems available for inspection and verification), will you pay for exactly one half of the parts and labor costs?

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    one-point, thanks for your support and kind words. The conclusion of the situation is outlined at https://hubpages.com/technology/The-Quality-Of-Mer... .

    SirDent, first of all, please be advised that I have, on the average three beers a year and a couple of glasses of champagne on New Year's Eve. If that is enough to send me to Hell, then so be it... I think I'll have lots of company that has imbibed more than I. I cannot possibly explain to you my disappointment in your refusal to delete those comments. Please inform me of the publishing of your next Hub, and in the name of the many faithful followers of Muhammad (PBUH) I ask you to express your views freely, but without trampling on the rights and beliefs of one billion people.

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    SirDent 8 years ago

    As you should know Hal, God does not condone drinking of beer by His children. I will not delete the comments. If I delete them then I may as well delete the whole hub. I cannot allow the hub to be deleted, but only if HubPages staff tells me to delete it or they delete it themselves.

    I am working on another hub at the moment also which will shed more light on Muhammad. Maybe you should read it when it's done.

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    one-point 8 years ago

    Dear Hal,

    Keep up the good work, the whole of the web is not against you despite what these comments seem to reflect. I am just writing today to ask, what is the current status of RCMP investigation into life-threatening activities conducted by members of overclock.net targeting yourself? I can only hope for a swift and full dispensation of JUSTICE (.45 JHP via RCMP!).

    Stay safe and stay sane! Beware the OCer's shank! Buy larger dogs!

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    Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

    Fair 'nuf! So, kids, listen to your good uncle radodrill and your perverted uncle Hal, don't cut up your cores with a knife, ok! :)

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    radodrill 8 years ago

    " radodrill... er... yes, I know that you can't cut out cores with an xacto knife. Did anyone cut out your sense of humor with an xacto knife? :) "

    I do have a sense of humor; but I can tell you that there most certainly are people around where I wouldn't put it past them to do just that, so it's better to state the obvious than have someone actually try it.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    BTW, SirDent... You might want to avail yourself of the offer since the Big He/She/It in the sky and I have a really close relationship. One we've had as far back as I can remember. That's the only reason I can figure out as to why I'm still around to irritate everyone. :)

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Although there will be cybermorons always, I can assure you that the fine gentlemen and ladies at overclock.net may very likely be implementing stricter controls over their looney punk factory. Therefore, if this whole misadventure has only had that as the result, it was well worth it. :)

    Now, SirDent. I've invited you to beer and BBQ. I've CENSORED every nasty word about you. Could I please ask you, in the spirit of brotherHubbers, to please please pretty please with sugar on top delete those comments on your Hub which so horribly spit in the face of over one billion perfectly good, honest and nice people? Please? I will not only be forever in your debt but will also say a prayer to any version of God you prefer that He/She/It will keep you in His/Her/Its thoughts. Please?

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    SirDent 9 years ago

    It isn't me you are entertaining. It is the trolls whom you are trying to insult. They thrive on lulz. It is a game to them and they don;t care even if someone gets hurt from them.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Glad to entertain you. Now about those Islamic insults on your Hub... :P

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    SirDent 9 years ago

    I suggest you Google lulz. It seems someone has gotten some great ones from your hub here.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    radodrill... er... yes, I know that you can't cut out cores with an xacto knife. Did anyone cut out your sense of humor with an xacto knife? :)

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    radodrill 9 years ago

    " radodrill, well, at least you did admit that IHS removal is extremely risky, so I'll have to give you credit for that. Actually, I have a really good idea. Now that four and eight cores come on one processor why not remove the IHS, take an xacto knife, cut each core free, turn it perpendicular so that it stands up from the base, and stick it back in with krazyglue? That way there will be more surface area of each core exposed and it will increase the heat radiation transfer! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!! I've been around you creatures too long! You've infected me with your MADNESS!!!!! :) "

    Saying the IHS revoval is extremely risky is a bit of an overstatement; there are certainly risks involved and they are more or less serious based on who's doing it and how careful they are (i.e. a person who dos not have good motor skills has a higher risk of damaging the CPU).

    Your idea for having the CPU cores perpendicular to the PCB and radiating the heat away (actually it would be convection rather than radiation) wouldn't work for several reasons. 1) the cores are surface mount with contact pins all around the perimiter, 2) the electronic connections for an IC mounter perpendicular to a PCB would be more fragile than SMD and thhus more likely to break, and 3) the heat is transferred to the heatsink by conduction from the cores to the IHS/HSF then by convection to the ambient air (the purpose of the heatsinkis to increase the contact surface area to the air since convection is a lot less effective than conductionso the higher area is necessary to handle the thermal load of the processor)

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Oh magnoliazz... you wouldn't believe how worried I've been over the death threats and what a strain it's been on my poor brain! I haven't slept, I keep looking over my shoulder, I've been kicking my cat... I think that overclock.net should compensate me for my TRAUMATIC PAIN AND SUFFERING and settle with me for at least $8 million... nah... let's round it up to a nice round $10 million. If you help with my suit by being a witness, I'll buy you a REAL BIG TREE FARM in Wisconsin and I'll even throw in Season Tickets to the Packers! :)

    BTW, I'm not suing overclock.net. At least not unless they do something STUPID again.

    MagicBox, oh, ok. I wasn't referring to that, but I understand now. My point was just that there are countless websites stating that each and every one of those things cure cancer. Not just help, but CURE. Each website has its own platoon of VcheeZ, O-Jay, graysky, etc. who insist that all people need to do is take their particular brand of snake oil and their tumors will disappear like a snowbank in a Chinook wind. The FDA has effectively debunked each and every one of them since there is "NO scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence that any of these cure cancer." Therefore, I'm applying the same standard to lapping claims as cancer cure claims. Prove it in this manner and I will not only write a profuse apology (I'm a great apology writer, just ask Deb Ng), but I WILL buy a Core 2 Quad and send it to you to lap to your heart's content. However, I aint holdin' my breath, and I suggest you don't either! :) 

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    MagicBox: "... It is something that helps humanity by having powerful computers send back crunched numbers sent out by universities to help them find possible cures for many types of harmful detrimental diseases like cancer and Altzheimer.."

    Hal: "Virgin Salmon Oil Gelcaps, VX-O, Wild Yam Cream, As cures for cancer. The FDA says there is NO scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence that any of these cure cancer."

    There you have the association between responses ;)

    B.t.w... Would you like your CPU and HSF professionally lapped with a CPU warranty provided by me? Just let me know ;)

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    magnoliazz 9 years ago from Wisconsin

    Hal- I would not take those threats real serious. Growing up with 4 brothers, with me the only girl, I had threats like this on a daily basis. Actually, since they are spending so much energy on creative thinking, your death threaters may just be trying to get your goat, and they may even kinda like you!

    I honestly do not think these guys want to hurt you, they just enjoy acting like idiots.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    radodrill, well, at least you did admit that IHS removal is extremely risky, so I'll have to give you credit for that. Actually, I have a really good idea. Now that four and eight cores come on one processor why not remove the IHS, take an xacto knife, cut each core free, turn it perpendicular so that it stands up from the base, and stick it back in with krazyglue? That way there will be more surface area of each core exposed and it will increase the heat radiation transfer! AAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!! I've been around you creatures too long! You've infected me with your MADNESS!!!!! :)

    Magic Box, you've lost me. Where does folding fit in? These were cures for CANCER. I've written a Hub on folding, so I'm quite informed on it, thank you.

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Hal, just one thing that I need to say about your long list of wonder cures. No, that is not what Folding is about:

    See here, presented by one of the global top 5 of universities: http://folding.stanford.edu/

    Inform yourself please.

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    radodrill 9 years ago

    IHS removal is a more complicated animal than lapping the IHS. From a thermal/heat transfer standpoint, it is more efficient since there are fewer material interfaces to adversely effect heat transfer. The flip side of the coin is considering the the possibility of breaking the core itself; with older CPUs (that didn't have an IHS) this wasn't really a big issue since they didn't produce as much heat and a small heatsink was sufficient, as CPUs produced more heat and needed bigger heatsinks it became easier to chip/crack the core if one wasn't careful when mounting the HSF so the IHS was used to protect the core. Most people who remove the IHS will appy pads at the corners of the PCB to avoid breaking the core by applying too much stress on the corner of the core while mounting the HSF.

    On LAG774 CPUs, IHS removal isn't as feasible since the retention system applies pressure on the IHS to keep the CPU in place so modifications have to be made for it to work; whereas with the S939 A64 chips it was quite popular since no further modification was necessary except using a bolt-on CPU cooler.

    Moral is: IHS removal does result in better temps, IHS removal does void the warranty, and there is a risk of breaking the core if one isn't careful when mounting the HSF; but enthusiasts seeking the best temps and/or overclocks are often willing to take that risk. It is not to be recommended to the average user, but it can be very rewarding to a person who knows what he is doing.

    Similarly for lapping: It does result in better temps, if the CPU has pins it is possible to bend them if no precautions are taken to protect them, it must be done correctly or else cooling can be worse, and it does void the warranty. So it's not to be recomended to an average user but enthusiasts benefit from lapping their CPUs.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Well... that is definitely the most unique compliment I've received in a while... so thanks! (I think...) :)

    If anything IHS removal is even more moronic than lapping. There is absolutely no way that the silicon is designed to be exposed in that manner. So let's just agree to place IHS removal at the far ragged radical extremes of lapping moronicity (izzat a word?) :)

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    one-point 9 years ago

    Hal is still going! This is why I get a huge erection every time I see your name or a link to your blogging. Well, keep up the good work! Down with the vile lappers! P.S. since we know how you feel about lapping, you should voice your opinions on IHS removal, another dreaded chapter of the OCers Gospel.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Oh goodness! Millions of professionals? In your wet dreams! And... the proof is published all around me by eminent scientists named VcheeZ, O-Jay, graysky, and more! Ah! Then according to you I must tip my hat and stand corrected, right?

    Every single lapper comment lowers my ALREADY SUBTERRANEAN estimate of lappers' intelligence quotients.

    Let's see if you can read if we DO IT ONE MORE TIME (Let me know if you want me to provide the dictionary definitions of each word, as it's obvious you're not understanding this):

    Provide scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence that lapping provides the 10+ C benefits stated by, say, graysky... OR SHUT UP!

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    VCheeZ 9 years ago from The Command Centre

    "Provide scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence..."

    Every single benchmark we run, every Prime95 and Orthos stability test, every single Super PI, each CPU-Z verification is provided freely by every overclocker on the planet. All are submitted for verification, and published for ALL peers to view. When an overclocker breaks a world record, whether it be for a specific CPU clock, 3Dmark, or SuperPI time...they are expected to provide these valid, verifiable, published results. THE SAME METHODS WE ALL SUBMIT. You want proof?

    http://www.amdgeeks.net/

    http://valid.x86-secret.com/records.php

    http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame/

    Every one of these World Record holders uses the same method of proof I do, and guess what? They all lap their equipment. You are trying to attack a tried and true cooling technique that is supported by millions of professionals. The burden of proof is on you.

    We deal in absolutes, our proof IS published all around you.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Nope. No way, dudes. All I ask of you is EXACTLY what I would ask of the people online who enthusiastically promote the following:

    Activase,

    Agaricus Dried Grade A,

    Amorph,

    APM Extract,

    Apritum,

    Black Salve Bloodroot Capsules,

    Bloodroot Extract,

    Buffered Vitamin C Crystals,

    C-4 Cream,

    C-Cell 4 Destoyer,

    C-Herb,

    CanAlk,

    CancerGene,

    Cansema Deep Tissue Salve Mix DMSO,

    Carcinogex,

    Cat's Claw,

    Cesium and Potassium Combo,

    Chloro Plasma,

    Citral,

    Coral Calcium,

    Curcumin,

    E-Mune,

    Ellagenol,

    Ellagic Acid ,

    Ellagic Ultra,

    Fungustum,

    Grape Seed Extract,

    Immune Ace,

    Indian Mudd Mix,

    IP-6 Inositol Hexaphosphate,

    Lycopene 25,

    Lycozyme,

    Lycozyme Extra Strength,

    Medicardium,

    Melatonin,

    Men's Prosta-Life,

    Mild Black Salve Mix,

    Mild Deep Tissue Salve Mix DMSO,

    Miracle Mushroom Blend,

    Molex,

    Neoplasmex,

    NKC-C Agaricus Blazei Super Concentrate Vial,

    NKC-C Agaricus Blazei Capsules,

    Ojibwa Tea,

    OPC Extract,

    Organic Flaxseed Oil,

    Pacific Ocean Shark Cartilage,

    Pau d Arco Bark,

    PC Hope,

    Pectasol,

    Platinum,

    Protocel Formula 23,

    Protocel Formula 25,

    RAAXII Extract,

    Red Clover Plus,

    RF 1000 Extract,

    Saw Palmetto Cream,

    Shark Cartilage,

    Squalamax,

    Surcan,

    ThermaPop,

    TNF-Max,

    Tum-go,

    Tumorex,

    Ultramarine Omega-3,

    Ultramarine Shark Liver Oil ,

    Very Mild Deep Tissue Salve Mix DMSO,

    Virgin Salmon Oil Gelcaps,

    VX-O,

    Wild Yam Cream,

    As cures for cancer. The FDA says there is NO scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence that any of these cure cancer.

    Therefore... here we go again:

    Provide scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence that lapping provides the 10+ C benefits stated by, say, graysky... OR SHUT UP!

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    over10yrsOCing 9 years ago

    Hal, I'm sorry, but your bombastic comments have had an equal and opposite reaction of causing others to bombastically criticize the ignorance you so willingly flaunt. I have lapped well into the double digits of processors and they have ALL had drops of multiple centrigrade in temps WHILE OVERCLOCKED. Therein lies the caveat: some processors may already be thermally efficient enough to not cause any significant changes AT STOCK TEMPS/CORES. However, try OCing a 2.6gHz Brisbane to 3.2gHz, lap it, and you WILL, GUARANTEED, TRIED AND TRUE, TESTED MULTIPLE TIMES (by myself, an IT professional, and a group of friends with the same or other engineering careers) and the most recent one yesterday dropped an average of 5 C at load. Sorry. Try it yourself before you bash it. Oh, and for the love of GOD, use 2000 grit sandpaper and water. That picture you showed is like lapping on asphalt.

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    radodrill 9 years ago

    The reason why lapping works is that the heat transfer between two contact surfaces is dependant on the contact surfaces. If a contact surface is rough, concave, or convex; this reduces the contact surface area to be less than the apparent contact area and thus a higher temperature differential is necessary to transfer the same amount of heat, ergo higer CPU temps. Lapping makes the contact surface flat and smooth to increase the actual contact surface area to be closer to the aparrent contact area.

    The basic principal is that for a given amount of heat transferred, the necessary temperature differential is inversely proportional to the contact area.

    Here's a preview of a journal article discussing heat transfer between contact surfaces. the visible part of the introduction clearly outlines my points. Any person with an understanding of heat transfer and Fourier's law would be able to comprehend why lapping makes a difference.

    http://springerlink.com/content/p5lnh3th4596w683/f...

    The reason why I previously linked to a forum post was that it showed testing with regard to temp differences due to lapping, while technical journal articles research thermal effectsdue to material contact and not the specifgic case of the contact between an IHS and a HSF.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Zzzzzz... You guys are really boring me to sleep here. I've met lots of hard skulled fanatics in my life but you guys take the cake.

    It's a simple lapping challenge and one that I'm sure even YOU guys can grasp:

    Provide scientifically valid, verifiable, peer-reviewed, formally published evidence...

    OR SHUT UP!

    DUH! I feel the Mo... word coming again! Sheesh!

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    ki4lse 9 years ago

    "Dude, I've written a freakin' novella on why lapping is stupid, dumb and idiotic on these Hubs and comments" Your most accurate statement to date. Even you recognize that your comments on lapping are, like any novella, pure fiction.

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    VCheeZ 9 years ago

    Reading through these comments on your hubs, I find it amusing that your blind hate, and that of some of your readers, has now poured over onto my writing. I don't think I could care less about your uneducated, factless opinion. You use the english language quite well to weave a literary fascade to make it sound like you may actually know what you are talking about. There are many who see through your veil, and into your insecurity. Thats ok, be who you need to be...if your defense mechanism is to be offensive...so be it.

    To set the record straight, I have lapping experience. I have been an avid overclocker for 15 years. I have NEVER had a processor fail because of lapping nor overclocking. The hub I wrote was to inform enthusiasts who were curious as to the benifits of lapping in the quest to achieve the lowest possible temps with their overclock.

    Your comment:

    ***What a waste of Hubspace. Completely bereft of any legitimate, scientifically verifiable content. I feel sorry for the kid who saves up from his part time job for six months to buy a PC and then follows the instructions on that completely erroneous Hub and ends up with a doorstop. Extremely irresponsible***

    Is uncalled for.

    There are no instructions in that hub WHICH I POINTED OUT

    Lapping is not for everyone WHICH I POINTED OUT

    There is absolutely no erronous information IN MY HUB

    ...and for you to say anything to the contrary makes you most certainly a liar, among other things. Why you feel the need to troll and spread misinformation is something I will never "get" but I hope someday you will become aware of the error of your ways. If you could put your writing talent into something informative and helpful, maybe you could do something for the good of the world at large. Good day.

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    ki4lse 9 years ago

    Mock me all you want; unlike you I have a thick skin. Lord knows you're being mocked widely enough over your "How to Destroy a CPU" and "Death Threat" pages! All your mockery doesn't change the essential truth of my point: You are NOT Salman Rushdie, this "Hub" is NOT "The Satanic Verses", and the puerile homicidal rantings of a bunch of pimply Canucks posting from Mom's basement does NOT constitute a Fatwa. You will NOT be interviewed by Larry King about your Persecution for your Art (though if you can convince them that overclock.net is a secret cabal of Internationalist Liberals and Obamaphiles, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity or Michael Savage might give you some airtime). You MASSIVELY overstate the serious of these "threats". Furthermore, despite your exceedingly high opinion of yourself, the 'Web will not kowtow before the Great Licino, nor will the Masses labially caress your gluteus with cries of "OMG, u r teh GAWD of teh Intarweb riters!! u r teh GREATIST riter I evur red!! PLEESE PLEESE PLEESE RITE MOR HUBZ!!". To be blunt, you are a hack writer of modest ability. You have an above-average grasp of syntax and grammar, and show a sense of style in your writing. Unfortunately, you oversimplify your articles (Hubs), possibly because you try to write beyond your expertise, and you frequently use technical terms imprecisely or inaccurately. The weakness of your articles may not be obvious to an inexperienced reader, but to a technician with any design, production or repair experience (and speaking as one who has worked with and trained better technical writers), the room for improvement is obvious. Your inability to tolerate criticism, however mild, coupled with your vitriolic and Trollish retorts to any who question your writings, make it appear unlikely you will ever make the improvements necessary to reach your potential. Your manipulation of the "Comments" section of your Hubs to remove or ignore the best of your critics and your frequent resort to fallacious arguments (I note a special fondness for ad Hominem attacks and Strawman arguments, not to mention your frequent non sequiturs) short circuit any constructive discussions of your subjects, thereby greatly diminishing the value your Hubs for anyone working above the level of your few slavishly devoted admirers. I take solace that there are far superior resources (Anandtech, [H]ard OCP, Ars Technica, etc.) for those who need a less superficial treatment of technical issues than those found here.(Not the average netizen: VietNam-era veteran, engineering technician, production technician, repair technician; amateur radio license, GROL with radar endorsement, FAA certificated repairman, 38 years electronics/engineering experience, 20-year-plus PC builder/tweaker).

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    Sonic21 9 years ago

    Ok I forgot to continue on my first sentence, How can you say lapping is stupid and all that other stuff when you've never tried it yourself? Yeah you don't want to lose your warranty and such but yeah everyone can say something is stupid but unless you try it you might actually regret your previous comments toward the subject.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Dude, I've written a freakin' novella on why lapping is stupid, dumb and idiotic on these Hubs and comments. I'm not a broken record.

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    Sonic21 9 years ago

    How can you say lapping is stupid, dumb, idiotic etc..

    Also, I've never lapped my processor or HSF.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    I don't have a problem with users who have specific requirements using ultra-fast CPUs. I use Photoshop a lot, and it's a RAM and CPU-cycle hog. I'm saving my pennies for the first Intel Core i7 I can get my mitts on. However, as I stated, the vast majority of people wouldn't know a gigahertz from job at a rental car counter. And it's some these people who have little experience and even less sense who will read the pap about lapping and OCing, try it themselves, and blow up a CPU that costs as much as a month's rent. Those are the ones I'm trying to protect. If a Mr. X wants to OC/lap WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE of the risks, then hey, go for it. What do I care if you burn your money? When I was a highfalutin publisher I once tipped $100. Was that thrown away money? Yeah. But it was my money to throw away. The point is that I did it in full knowledge. That is the critical factor. Anyway, I will have to seriously think about doing that study. I think that the results would be eyeopening! Thanks, MagicBox! It's been fun! :)

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Heavens, who in the world said that everybody who's using a PC should be overclocking to get their dayly email done faster? Nobody in their right mind would do any overclocking for that purpose. It's gamers, folders and indeed encoders that do. Look up what folding is. It is something that helps humanity by having powerful computers send back crunched numbers sent out by universities to help them find possible cures for many types of harmful detrimental diseases like cancer and Altzheimer. It's one of the favourite things people with overclocked computers do.

    Anyways Hal, it's been a pleasure head-butting with you. I laughed a lot. I hope you did as well. G'luck with your writing.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    You'll note that HubPages' system does have a nasty feature which doesn't automatically clear some comments when I enter my new comment. I've rectified it.

    Actually, it would be quite expensive to do, but I think the test with side by side computers and everyday apps might be a really great study to perform.

    And, no, not even the BAREST FRACTION of PC users use encoding or (hard as it may be for gamers to believe) the latest computer games. Check the stats! :)

    Osama Bin Clockin! I love it! Thanks Chef Jeff!!!

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Mate, if you had the balls you would have just published my comments. They are not even of your own caliber. But both YOU and I know why you didn't publish that post, because of the one saillant detail in there.

    As for making a CPU perform 50% better over its stock speed, outperforming much more expensive parts at their stock speeds, you are saying that is not noticable?

    Are the latest games benchmarks? Are video editing / encoding studios benchmarks? You get the point? You KNOW you are willingly clueless, you pretend to be dumb. You know better. I know you do.

    You don't need to publish this, but if you are a real man able to hold up a head-on discussion, you publish that previous post of mine.

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    Chef Jeff 9 years ago from Universe, Milky Way, Outer Arm, Sol, Earth, Western Hemisphere, North America, Illinois, Chicago.

    Death threats? Over a clocking issue? Who are these people? Osama bin Clockin cronies?

    Take it to the police and get it taken care of before they send a suicide clocker to your neighborhood!

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    radodrill: First, let's deal with the forum moderation issue. Every legitimate tech forum from xcpus to tom's to anand can be counted on to have moderators jump on a dangerous issue and shut it down in a very short time. There were many pages of hyperbole prior to the actual threats and to be asleep at the switch is no excuse. Sorry.

    I have been amply clear in other Hubs that I strongly believe any attempt to overclock a processor beyond the manufacturer's recommendations is a ridiculous and self-vandalistic act. Keep in mind that the critical aspect is "beyond the manufacturer's recommendations." It is clearly obvious that AMD's OverDrive for Phenoms on the 790GX chipset, or the Turbo function in the Intel i7s is a function that is provided directly by the manufacturer, therefore is a processor feature, not an attempt to turn a skateboard into an Ariane 5 rocket.

    My old gramma-in-law had a favorite saying she would berate her grandkids with: "Buy ya books and buy ya books and still you don't know nuthin'." radodrill, please note: I'm not calling you a moron in this case. I'm just simply trying to get something through to you that is completely self-evident to any trained, legitimate scientist or engineer and seems to escape you and your peers:

    Scientific experimentation must be performed to acknowledged standards and published in peer-reviewed journals. Anything else, and I emphasize ANYTHING ELSE is not to be considered valid.

    After all your posturing, you link me to O-Jay's forum thread? Who the @#$& is O-Jay? I figured you would have dug up some IEEE electronics journal article... but no... you point me to just another online forum. Do you want me to send you links to forums that "prove" that female genital mutilation, alleviating arthritis with WD40, and The Choking Game are all recommended procedures?

    radodrill... dude... read my lips. "It says so on the Internet so it must be true" is... yeah... just plain stupid. A forum post is not scientific research. It never was and it never will be. Wake up, shake the cobwebs out of your head and join the human race. Please! You're embarrassing yourself!

    So, let me state my case once again (damn, I'm getting fatigued at repeating myself over and over again so that you guys will understand my position): Overclocking past the manufacturer's specifications AND lapping a CPU at any time because O-Jay/graysky/whoever forum geek told you so is only performed by MORONS. Thank you. I appreciate your time.

    alk: Hey, go buy any Extreme chip you want and BBQ it for all I care. It's your money. And that still makes you a moron.

    MagicBox: Before you berate guidebaba further, kindly point to any legitimate survey which has ever tested computer users operating PCs side by side, one with, say, a 2 GHz CPU and another with a 3 GHz CPU, running everyday common web and office applications (which is what the OVERWHELMING VAST majority of users actually USE), and concludes with the results that the users could note any significant difference. Why? Because MOST USERS CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. CPU speed is only relevant to abstract benchmarks where wannabe Alpha dogs will gladly fry a $500, $1000 or even pricier CPU just to get bragging rights to five or ten extra "points" over some other misguided forum nerd. Sure, CPU velocity does have its validity, but all you have to do is wait 3 months and you'll find a processor that is MUCH faster at the same price point, without having to risk your investment by activities only engaged in by... yes... Virginia... MORONS. Regardless, I do appreciate that your comments have been far less rabid than others, so thank you for your contributions. :)

    Sonic21: Hmm... I really am starting to wonder about the comprehension level of lappers. Let's see if I can answer your questions in as clear a manner as I possibly can, and pray that it is the last time: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    Do you understand that? Duh!

    Now, let's close this off by referring one and all to my https://hubpages.com/technology/The-Quality-Of-Mer... Hub which will provide some answers as to what has happened with the "situation."

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    Sonic21 9 years ago

    Ok just need a simple yes or no nothing else.

    Did you lap your processr and/or HSF? Did you happen to damage them in the process of lapping?

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Oops hit enter too fast. But yes, P.S. Hal, I am glad you confirmed your friends who blew up their CPUs are morons. Not so much for the fact they attempted to lap as much as attempting it without proper knowledge. I'm sure they appreciate your comments as well. I guess that pretty much settles the case :)

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    guidebaba: You are the joke and your comments clearly show you don't understand anything of the "electronics" market you're in. What you say, is that for 6 years, you've been a box pusher, a counter clerk. A sokoban. If you actually knew something of the topic, you would say such things. Just to demonstrate: I have a Q6600 quadcore G0 stepping. What's the cost of that part? $190 at this time? perhaps even less? It is rated 2.4GHz at an FSB speed of 1066MHz. Guess what I have it running at? Here you go: 3.4GHz at an FSB speed of 1700MHz. Now find me an Intel part that performs at these speeds straight out of the box. Closest is a QX9770 with its 3.2GHz and 1600FSB. Price tag? $1500. What joke? The joke that's you?

    I know it's not related to the hub itself. But I just has to be said that there are some "supportive" responses towards Hal which are offbase by themselves. Worse is that Hal actually praises them just for the fact of harvesting another agreement, no matter how off-base it is O.o..

    P.S.

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    alk 9 years ago

    My my, you are quite a debater Hal Licino. And your adaptation in this no doubt stems from the fact you are a talented writer. However, there is a quote, which I think everyone involved in this 'situation' can agree on;

    "Never argue with an idiot. He’ll drag you down to his level then beat you with experience!"

    From your perspective, as a Writer, who enjoys computing related hobbies, you could never comprehend why ANYONE would risk throwing money down the drain performing a task the you would consider provides negligible gains.

    Now, from my perspective, as a Mechanical Engineer with a grasp of heat transfer greater than say, any writer should ever require, you can understand how I and others interpret the above quote.

    To sum things up, no amount of heat transfer equations, and graphs of thermal data will ever sway your opinion. Equally, any article that doesn't provide genuine data on the matter at hand will never sway someone like myself's opinion.

    Relative to each other, we are all idiots, including me, which I prove to you, by posting this comment, from one "Idiot" to another. :) (Although, I must admit, the drama has been fun to witness and partake in, and I await with great anticipation, the outcome of your report filed by your local authorities, and the consequences it has on OCN and its members. Destruction - there really is something intriguing about it!)

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    radodrill 9 years ago

    According to your logic, people shouldn't overclock their processors since it voids the warranty and often involves overvolting it (which under extreme overclocks or overly large voltages can result in frying the CPU) and if they were capable of running faster they would have clocked them faster from the factory and as such anyone who overclocks is stupid.

    In reality, CPU Manufacturers will select clocks such that it'll run 100% stable with any HSF in any environment with a fair margin of safety; this does not mean that the chip isn't physically capable of running faster with the appropriate cooler. A similar trait holds true in terms of the surface of the IHS; Machining them to tighter tolerances requires more time and often more expensive equipment, the added machine time and equipment cost would in turn be reflected in the cost of the CPU and the truth of the matter is that the majority of their sales are to corporate clients and home users who are only concerned about it working and not really interested in the temps. Engineers typically design things with a factor of saafety to ensure that they do not fail when used at the maximum design conditions; in part since they know that people will overload things.

    From a heat transfer perspective, having flat surfaces on the IHS and HSF to ensure better contact WILL result in better heat transfer and as such lower temps. In fact, here's a thread that outlines the lower idle/load temps of an overclocked Q6600 before and after lapping http://forums.cclonline.com/showthread.php?t=7606

    What I'm trying to outline is that you seem to be overly generalizing everything by a) saying that lapping will kill a CPU (not the case if done correctly and the appropriate safety precautions are taken), b) saying that anyone who laps a CPU is a moron (only a person who doesn't do his homework and/or do it correctly resulting in worse temps or breaks his CPU would qualify, but even then, they may have been misinformed, impatient, or tried to make do without the right tools), and c) saying that all people on OCN are bozos and lunatics (this would be like saying that everyone in Germany drinks beer, eats sauerkraut, and wears lederhosen); making such assumptions based on the observations of a few people does not necessarily mean that it applies to the entire population. Also, while it might be your opinion that people who lap/overclock are crazy and that everone on a forum that supports is are stupid, making such generalized accusations on a public site is just as inappropriate and offensive as the quotes you posted here.

    FYI: I've never seen any tech related forum that required moderator approval for all posts; such a measure puts excessive strain on the forum staff. Most forums do use the report post feature to more rapidly bring an inappropriate post to the attention of the moderators of that specific section. This practice is implemented so that people trying to solve problems can get quicker responses. I'm sure that if a similar thread were made on a different forum it would have been handled in much that same way.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    terenceyap07: Never a dull moment! Anyone wants to take me on, they're welcome to do it, as long as they don't break any laws! Thanks for your comment! :)

    ki4lse: Yes, you certainly do fully deserve the award. Now I'm off to write on a Hub how I want to kill the mayor, police chief, the entire town council, and the dog catcher of my town and see if it will be considered idle threats. But the dog catcher said my dog soiled a tree and he called me a moron! That will work, right? Duh! :)

    guidebaba: Yes, it is most definitely absurdity, and as you stated "a nice JOKE." Thanks for your comment! And I hope to have the Hub you requested up in the next couple of days!  I really appreciate the request!

    MagicBox: Unfortunately HubPages doesn't have a function whereby a Hubber can change a comment. I can only delete it. You can only change your own within a few minutes of posting. However, I'm publishing yours as a clarification. Thanks!

    radodrill: OK, let's deal with the issues one at a time.

    1) Mr. X buys a new Q9650 for $620. He takes it home. He does WHATEVER he does (whether it includes soapy water, high grit sandpaper or even a half-moon file or not) and he proceeds to scrape the hell out of the top of his new processor under the impression that it is going to provide him greater cooling performance than could be obtained by other readily available and quite affordable procedures which do not involve voiding the CPU manufacturer's warranty. My conclusion is that Mr. X is a MORON. If anyone else does anything similar to Mr. X, they are MORONS as well. I can understand that people might not like being called MORONS. They may also choose from: IDIOT, BRAINDEAD, IMBECILE, LUNATIC, or any other reference from the Thesaurus. No, I'm not applying those titles to a racial, creed, gender or other group where it can be determined to be discrimination. It is applied to people who perform actions similar to our Mr. X. If they are alone, or if they are in a community that numbers in the billions, that is still always the case, until such time as both Intel and AMD publish on their retail boxes that lapping is a recommended practice and does not void warranty. That is my conclusion. I'm sticking to it. And that settles it. Have you ever heard of the phrase "EPPUR SI MUOVE?" Look it up dude. Galileo was forced to recant but at the end he didn't. And you can take me to court, win a judgment for five hundred billion dollars and I'm still going to state my case. "EPPUR NON SI LAPPA!" And you can take freelancewritinggigs.com's MORON, IDIOT, BRAINDEAD, IMBECILE, LUNATIC so-called faker attorney and have him add that onto the lawsuit too. Why not? I'd rather have both of you split my 1985 Chevy Sprint down the middle! :P

    2) I am aware of exactly how long those comments were on the site. I have everything copied. I think I want to start a website dealing in quilting. It will be a fun community of quilt ladies. All of a sudden five of these lovely little old ladies decide to threaten a quilt teacher with death on my website because she said that anyone who thinks Little Dutch Girls make prettier squares than Flying Geese is a moron. I wander in the next day and say "oh... look what those nasty quilt ladies did," and delete their comments. That is NOT living up to the responsibilities imposed on me through the applicable civil and criminal legislation of my country. There is no justification as to why the thread was allowed to go on for many pages of inflammatory rhetoric LEADING to the death threats. Every forum software in existence has the capability built in to switch to moderated comments. overclock.net did not utilize that capability available to them, and the excuse that "I was busy drinkin' beer/doin' my homework/doin' my old lady/watching pr0n/whatever" until the next day or whenever is not valid. Every web publisher has a responsibility for the content on their site. The time that it was left on shows negligence: I have to add IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, since the situation is now LONG out of my hands. I have NO say in what happens or does not happen next. The train has left the station.

    3) As I clearly stated, I have the copies of the full thread. Don't tell me what I can do or not do with something that's on my hard drive, dude. You published it. I copied it. You're not the RIAA/MPAA. And please don't bring up the sad tale of your Site Terms... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

    Have a wonderful day! And go down to Clinton St. and have a San Francesco Sandwich for me, willya? Especially the Hot Veal. I really miss them! :)

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    radodrill 9 years ago

    As Magicbox has stated, the reason why you're getting so much flack about this hub and the lapping hub is that you're calling ALL lappers morons and saying that ALL members of OCN are bozos and lunatics; those kinds of comments are just as uncalled for as the comments you have quoted from the thread that appeared on OCN. I'm not goinng to argue for or against lapping here since it's obvious that you're not changing your mind, but that's still no reason to call whomever disagrees with you a moron. Also, you can't just label/stereotpe an entire population based on the statements/actions of a select few.

    In terms of the moderating at OCN, most of the staff is comprised of volunteers who have jobs or are in school (including college) and as such cannot monitor everything 24/7; also, each moderator is assigned to certain sections and do not have moderation powers outside those sections. The "Case Mods & Cases" section of OCN has 2 active moderators right now and the thread in which the posts you quoted were made was in existence less than a day and the mods promptly deleted the thread and also issued infractions to members responsible for inappropriate posts.

    Open forums differ from hubs such as this in that posts made are published immediately so that people seeking help can get it as quickly as possible without a full-time staffer having to approve each and every post (while here you censor posts before they are published); moderators duties are to regularly read the content posted and take appropriate action regarding inappropriate poste or behavior, which can include locking/deleting threads and issueing warnings/infractions.

    Your position is a bit counterintuitive since want the RCMP to get involved and have them require OCN to remove the thread for not properly moderating it, yet you save a copy in HTML in case the moderators do their job and delete it. I do not see how the RCMP can grant you any further satisfaction because the staff has indeed done it's moderating duties and did infact remove the offensive content.

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    I made a typo. Don't need to publish this post but if you can correct my previous post would be appreciated:

    Where it reads "..to target specific offenders and communities or practioners as a whole, making false claims.." is supposed to be "..to target specific offender making false claims and not communities or practioners as a whole.."

    Thanks.

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    guidebaba 9 years ago from India

    Hi HAL: Yes I know I don't have to believe the cost excuse. I am myself in electronics for the last 6 years and have good experience. We do business with all leading electronic brands in the world that include several pc manufacturers. We supply Heat Sinks for processors to several of these PC Manufacturers. I know what heat sink is all about and what it costs. Lapping is more or less related to levelling the surface for better surface contact and hence better cooling. They are talking about using sandpaper to flatten the IHS Surface. Use of sandpaper can only make it even worse. They are also talking about Making a $175 processor out-perform a $875 processor. This is only a nice JOKE.

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    ki4lse 9 years ago

    Since you are (willfully?) to obtuse to get my point, let me make it plain in short sentences you can easily grasp:Overclock.net has stupid users. You bait stupid people with insults. Stupid overclock.net users make stupid idle threats. You call the RCMP as if threats are real. Tempest in Teapot.Now excuse me while I collect my "The Number 1 Stupidest Comment In The History Of The Internet Award!". Coming from you, that award may be more of an honor than you realize.

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    terenceyap07 9 years ago from Singapore

    Dear Hal,

    And to think I was always told that writing was a boring profession. LOL! Keep your chin up, my friend.

    *smiles*

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    MagicBox: I'd love to do a digital cable expose, as I've found exactly the same thing as you have. It might be difficult since I don't have a lab or the equipment to properly test and compare, but let me see if there is anything I can dig up. Thanks!

    Andr3az: Yeah, if someone called most blog writers morons... I'd probably have to agree with them. :) Even if they called ME a moron to my FACE, I might flatten their noses but I think I might stop short of killing them. But it's just me. Life is cheap these days so i guess that overclock.net forumers should have the right to kill people they don't like. After all, they ARE GODS, aren't they? :P

    Guidebaba: Don't believe Andr3az's excuse about cost. I've debunked this excuse over and over again. The cost per unit is infinitesimal, maybe less than a nickel for each nickel! :)

    Stacie Naczelnik, remind me not to tick off whatever hobby group YOU belong to! :)

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    Stacie Naczelnik 9 years ago from Seattle

    I wish my death threats would be so creative.

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    Andr3az 9 years ago

    I understand that death threats and stuff was wrong. One of the reasons why people got pumped up about this whole thing is that you called lappers morons. There are lots of people who have lapped their CPU-s and heatsinks and then someone comes out and calls em morons.That made them bit angry.

    It would be same if someone made a webpage or something and started yelling that blog writers are morons. How would you (as blog writer ) feel?

    Guidebaba: The reason why Intel or AMD doesn't lap their CPU-s it is not cost effective. Computer enthusiasts are minority of computer users. So it is not reasonable to waste money on them. Its all about the profit.

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    MagicBOx 9 years ago

    Sounds good to me. All I ask for is to target specific offenders and communities or practioners as a whole, making false claims. Even though it was in light of sarcasm.

    Something useful that would fit your style is to write about deceiving marketing by companies like Denon and Monster who claim their $100 - $500 digital cables guarantee that digital data isn't lost, where they make people believe that spending such an amount of cash is justified. Where a 10$ UTP cable performs just as well.

    Take a look here what I'm talking about:http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp#

    "The AK-DL1 employs high level tin-bearing alloy shielding not typically available in commercial cabling, to eliminate data loss caused by noise. Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."

    I'm looking forward to a hub of yours about this subject ;)

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    MagicBox... let's just agree to disagree and be done with it, ok. I think I'm not going to change your mind and I KNOW you're not going to change mine!

    guidebaba: Thank you so much for the extremely courteous comments. I really appreciate your support! Also, please give me some more info on that Hub you requested and I will write it ASAP!

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    guidebaba 9 years ago from India

    I agree with HAL. People talking about Lapping and Getting the CPU work faster are doing nothing but trying to make Fool of people and make money. It can only destroy the Processor and do nothing else. If Lapping had even 1% of benefit, Intel would have done it themself. HAL, IDEOTS talking about Killing you are Just FOOLS.The person who had published the HUB on Bebefits of Lapping is actually doing Business and is here for business promotion. His hub give clear idea about this.HAL, you are doing a great job. Keep it up !

    CHEERS !!!

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    On a further note, you're becoming assumptionate even towards me now. Having lapped my CPU successfully with noticable results does not make me any of those gospel evangilizing folks you talk about. Just one other thing.. it's not computer experience/skill I talked about, no matter it going back to the 8088 era. Nothing of that would make a difference, as for this, what you need is electronic skill. Specifically on ESD handling of ESD sensitive components. ESD is is what killed your friends' CPUs. Electro Static Discharge. Google it :)

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    *sighs deeply* Sad to have seen those precious CPUs die.. Shouldn't you have questioned the responsibility of your friends and the like in the first place? That's what got the CPUs killed. Like I said.. if you don't know electronics, don't attempt to fix that T.V. No matter how many posts there are about telling how easy it is to fix T.V.s. As with everything in life, one is responsible for their own actions. Including engaging in activities which may have harmful and destructive results if approached with the lack of skill and knowledge. As far as I have seen, about all lapping guides open with a disclaimer, saying that your CPU may be destroyed if not handled properly. To use your style.... your friends have been morons.

    F.Y.I I don't associate myself with the folks that launched threats your way even though there are common interests in overclocking. In no way I condone those actions towards you. They are definately not my peers. However, the fact of you calling me a moron indirectly is what makes me engage you in this discussion.

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    MagicBox... what is it with you and your peers? Can't you conceive that anyone would have a different opinion on a piece of electronic equipment than your own? I have never lapped a CPU but have known plenty of people in my extensive experience with computers that dates back to 1983 on a Toshiba 8088 who have DESTROYED their CPUs by engaging in your "sport." One of the main motivations behind this Hub is that I have known several who bought the most expensive CPU they could afford and then were devastated when it was DESTROYED by following the instructions that you lappers take for gospel. Therefore, allow me to state it once again, in as clear a fashion as I can possibly muster:

    Any human being on this planet who believes that taking the risk to DESTROY their CPU by engaging even with the greatest amount of skill and experience in the DESTRUCTIVE process called lapping is a... wait for it... here it comes... get ready... fasten your seat belt... MORON!

    I hope that was more "respective (sic) and objective." Lapping does NOT provide temperature deltas of 10+ degrees reported by the prominent anonymous forumer "graysky." Use a WC rig or an Tuniq Tower or something! It really will drop your temps and won't kill your CPU and its warranty! Unlike some lappers who seem to have unlimited access to daddy's MasterCard, I work for my living. I am not spending one dime of my money on a CPU to scrape it to death. As I've stated before, if anyone from you all the way up to Paul O. wants to send me some CPUs and mobos, I'll be MORE than happy to do a scientific test to the levels of a major international peer-reviewed journal. I've had my research published in a major international peer-reviewed journal, so Dude, I know more about the standards of scientific tests than the rabid death threat mobs over at overclock.net will ever imagine.

    By the way, if you had taken the time to review my Hubs on aspects other than sanding down IHSs you'd realize that I have led a vicious fight to defend Islam against calumny.

    Shirley Anderson: Thank you so much for the comment and support. I really appreciate kind words when it seems that I've been fending off endless torrents of spiteful venom for days. Don't worry. I don't fear the testosterone-spewing threats of tweenie punks. It's overclock.net that I'm going after, since if they can't monitor their site according to legally mandated standards, then they shouldn't be online. Am I making an example out of them? Damn right! :)

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    Shirley Anderson 9 years ago from Ontario, Canada

    Hi Hal:

    I was over at your hub about FWJ and read all the comments (took awhile!). After that, I just had to read something else you're crafted and here I am. I've only read a few of your hubs, but I like your style.

    What I am grappling with is other people's reactions. Some just plain don't make a lot of sense, and the death threats are absurd! Over words about computers?!? Obviously, their stability has to be called into question. I'm glad that you've involved the RCMP.

    Stay safe!

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Fair enough that you give those what you get from them. It is the article itself though that's a bit disturbing, as the article itself denotes everyone who laps is a moron. It's like saying all muslims are terrorists. It's fine if you isolate your comment to a specific selection of peopel. i.e. those that claim to get a 20 degrees drop in temperature. That simply can't be achieved by lapping and are indeed false claims. But attacking a whole community for the fact that for them lapping works is a bit uncalled for. What do you think yourself?

    As for your issues against lapping: Yes, lapping helps to get temperatures down by a bit, ranging from 1 degree anywhere to 7 - 8 degrees depending on the non-flatness of them surfaces. If it helps people let them be happy. What's the point of picking on them? As for voiding warranty? Yes it does. People who lap know. People who know how to do it safely know. It's the risk they willingly take. Is it destructive? Again, not in the hands of someone who knows what to do. Are you gonna let a non-engineer with zero electronic background repair a T.V. set? Is it wise for him to do so? He'll most likely destroy it even more. Or get himself seriously harmed in the process. Why would this lapping thing be any different? As for "working as advertised".. Which advertisement did you read? The forum post of that 13 year old teen claiming to have gotten a 20 degrees improvement? Or conducted benchmarks by reknowed hardware sites who claim to get a 3 - 8 degrees drop? Why do you think TIM manufacturers are competing heavily in the enthusiast market, where performance differences between the TIMs are in the 1 -3 degrees range? Every degree's drop is worth it to an enthusiast. Lapping gets them just that. A bunch more degrees drop by optimizing the mating surfaces of both CPU and heatsink.

    I think if you would have written your article in a more respective and objective way supported by own research, perhaps first hand experience, you'd have gotten half the venomous comments as you did now.

    Talking about first-hand experience. Have you lapped any of your own CPUs? I'd like an honest answer to that. Did you succeed.. or did you destroy the CPU in the process. If you lapped one yourself that is..

    Fair 'n square questions mate :)

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    Chris, I am publishing your reasoned and respectable comment with thanks. However, I regret to state that I still disagree with CPU lapping.

    MagicBox: Yes, I do have personal issues: When I was a child, a schoolyard bully lapped a Univac on my butt. :) Hey, I'm a longtime blogger and publisher so I can take the heat from anyone. I give as good as I get, in the language that the commenter can understand, and in the case of MOST lappers who have replied, that's monosyllabic, slanged (as you noted on overclock.net) and rude. Check Best Hubs. I may not have your respect as a blogger but there are lots of readers who disagree with you. My issue with lapping is simple. It doesn't work as advertised, it's destructive, and it voids your warranty. Why anyone who can read can't understand those very basic facts is beyond me. I've just posted on my FWJ Idol Hub the total AdSense income from my total of 246 Hubs for the past three days. It's $8.57. I get paid from HubPages. I don't write for traffic. EVER.

    Scared of Hal Licino: Sorry I can't publish your comment as you used the F-bomb, but, yeah. I AM so effin' tough. You don't work in the publishing business for 30 years without developing a thick skin.

    alk: What a waste of Hubspace. Completely bereft of any legitimate, scientifically verifiable content. I feel sorry for the kid who saves up from his part time job for six months to buy a PC and then follows the instructions on that completely erroneous Hub and ends up with a doorstop. Extremely irresponsible.

    lulz: Nope, because five lunatics went overboard and have placed overclock.net in a very serious situation by placing death threats. For five separate lappers to take such actions proves my point about MORONS!

    Hai: Yes, death threats hurt my feelings. I guess I'm just hypersensitive. You're such a mo... mo... mo... oh, come on, don't make me say it again... :)

    Ms Sooz: Geez, thanks. That makes me feel just SO much better that my mutilation would entertain you! :P

    ki4lse: "I'm certain the seriousness of the death threats is on par with the seriousness of the trollbait you laid out in your "CPU Lapping" post." YES. I AGREE! YOU'RE RIGHT! ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU ON SANDING DOWN A CPU SHOULD DIE! DEATH TO THE STOCK CPU USERS! KILL THEM ALL! CPU-THNIC CLEANSING NOW AND FOREVER! Dude, that wins "The Number 1 Stupidest Comment In The History Of The Internet Award!" :)

    beanie boy: I'd like to say that your statement that "You may be the most intelligent and best writer on the internet today" wins "The Number 1 Best Comment In The History Of The Internet Award" but I'm too modest. :) Thanks!!!!

    Wildfire99, Lulz, thatonekid786, and all the other posters who have copied and pasted overclock.net's Site Usage Policy... ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HAVE ANY OF YOU GRADUATED FROM KINDERGARTEN? Since you are obviously still trying to figure out how to count to two scoops, allow me to inform you that every single nation in the world with a legal system has at the core of its legislation that no private contract can override a federal law! So, visiting a web site and agreeing that "no legal action, past, present or future, will be taken against Overclock.net in relation to your dealings with the site or people on the site" is exactly the same thing as a crackhouse operator having the clients sign a legal waiver before entry! You're gonna get busted just the same. This isn't a minor case of slander or libel: This is death threats. In the USA that is a bigtime felony and it is similarly considered in Canada. You fools crossed the line and now you'll have to deal with the consequences. Don't come crying to me about your silly Site Usage Policy.

    CJStone: Eh, who knows? There's people on the internet who will argue for days about the proper human interpretation of dictums given by Pleiadians. Of all the things to issue death threats over, you'd think sanding down an electronic component wouldn't be high on the list, but what can I say? We are all subject to that Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times." Thanks for your comment! :)

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    CJStone 9 years ago from Whitstable, UK

    Hi Hal, I just checked out the hub that this is based on. The mystery is why these guys are getting so hot under the collar over it. f it works, and they know it works, then your hub wouldn't worry them would it? They would just get on with doing what they were doing secure in the knowledge that they were right and you were wrong. Instead of which all this name calling and absurd vitriol. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

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    beanie boy 9 years ago

    Dont pay any attention to those stupid idiots. You are the number one writer on hubpages for a reason. You may be the most intelligent and best writer on the internet today. Im a fan for life!

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    ki4lse 9 years ago

    I'm certain the seriousness of the death threats is on par with the seriousness of the trollbait you laid out in your "CPU Lapping" post. Your tone in that posting (and in your replies to the comments it inspired) seem measured to draw the very type of extreme response evidenced in the OverClockers thread. While death threats, however frivolous, are entirely uncalled for, you have sown the wind and reap the whirlwind.

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    Ms Sooz 9 years ago from Northern California

    Hilarious read. I like how creative the flammers were in exactly how they'd like to see you die.

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    Hai 9 years ago

    Did you ever think that....this is just the internet and get over it?

    I'd like to think that you are not so insecure that random people you've never met saying things about you hurts your feelings.

    You know...I'm just sayin'...

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    I also did it for the lulz 9 years ago

    You're calling the RCMP just because lapping ruined your life.

    Nice.

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    alk 9 years ago

    https://hubpages.com/misc/The-Benefits-of-Lapping-...

    Read and learn.

    Or perhaps ignorance is bliss. Your choice.

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    MagicBox 9 years ago

    Well, my post in your respective blog was all nice and stuff. I just have a serious question to you. Are you sure you don't have any personal issues? When you look over your own blog, there's as much venom from your mouth as there is from the random posters. You're hardly as clean as you try to suggest. I'm sorry to say, but the way you respond to posters isn't much different than the tone of some of those posters. Pot. Kettle. An attitude that's hard to associate with a respected blogger.

    Still it baffles me that you out of the blue felt the need to 'pick' on a subject that is practiced by only a marginal number of people familiar within their technological branche. I really wonder where your anger comes from. What are you trying to achieve... score blog hits? Instead of posting fluffious paragraphs after paragraphs, why not get down to the metal (pun intended) and explain your issues with lapping? I've given you a thorough explanation of how lapping can be beneficial and under which circumstances it is practiced. Yet you evade my factual arguments and move on to how it all remains untrue untill Intel/AMD warranty isn't voided by lapping a CPU's heatspreader?

    You get money for blog hits?

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    Chris 9 years ago

    I do think that you should join Overclock.net. Not only to help others on things you may have experience on, but also to learn about things you may need to learn more about. It is important that you give users of your site an unbiased and well-researched argument. The process of lapping does involve risks, but if done correctly can provide great gains. Besides due to the large trading base on the site, many users have no warranty anyway as their processors are second hand. In this case there is really relatively little to lose.

    Your articles could provide more accurate details, for example -

    A heatsink costs $100 - Not true, An OCZ Vendetta 2 cab be had for under $40 and preforms great. Furthermore, a TRUE absolutely needs lapping due to the uneven surface.

    Using 300grit to lap a cpu - This is also a misconception - You start with 400-grit and slowly work up the grits to 2000-grit. In the end, if done correctly, you only remove a very thin layer of nickel.

    Using soapy water - This is not neccesary for lapping a CPU - you just need the wet and dry paper to be slightly damp to reduce copper dust. Perhaps a little 3-in-1 oil for the higher grits. This is all cleaned off with isoprpyl alcohol to leave a clean, safe surface.

    That lapping is ony done by zitty teenagers - This is not true, many of the forum members of OCN and XS (Xtreme Systems) are over 30 years old, it is not just the domain of the uneducated teenager who does it for kicks.

    Lastly, I believe it is important that nobody loses their temper (including you) - Its simply not neccesary. The members mean you no harm.

    I would like to point out, I am a long-established forum member, Not a mod. I respect your right to have your own opinions, but you must also respect others opinions, as they are equally valid.

    Please do not do this post the dis-service of not posting it as it does clear up alot of misconceptions (from both sides)

    Thanks,

    Chris

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    On my way out the door, I just wanted to report that the RCMP has informed me that they have opened the file. Have a nice weekend, overclock.net! I'm off to the lake! :)

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    Hal Licino 9 years ago from Toronto

    You probably: Rectified! Thanks!

    I did it: Let's see... what part of the Canadian Criminal Code covers penile libel? hehehe... Flame away! I'm copying and storing every thread that has anything to do with me over there! After all, I gotta give my buddies at the RCMP some nice, solid evidence! :)

    Everyone else: Keep posting! I'll keep recording! The IP addresses are for evidence. I'm going after overclock.net. That's where the legal responsibility lies. I'll let the RCMP do the talking for me! Enjoy! Now I'm going down to the lake to enjoy my weekend! Bye, losers! :)

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    I did it for the luls 9 years ago

    We are still flaming you, you incapable fool who is compenstaing for his incredibly small man meat. At least we know what we are talking about and now how to not kill computer parts.

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    You probaby know my IP address by now too! 9 years ago

    Very nice, I hate the idiots over at 'OCN', most of them don't even know what they're talking about. And, if I might add, "OMG OWNED LOL!!1!!1!!!one!!!" :P