I am not sure if what I am doing is right

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  1. Helen Cater profile image59
    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    I keep editing my hubs because I keep getting conflicting views about what is the best tags, and how they give you more stars..I tried this and my$$$ went down. I am earning nothing as i am waiting on adsense which I am not hopeful about. So where am I going wrong. What tags should I be using and how can I improve? I really want to stick at this long term and do not expect to make money over night but I have no affiliates and I have read all the info hubs but nothing is clicking with me. Every time I edit my traffic seems to stop dead.

    1. xquisit1985 profile image54
      xquisit1985posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have alot of articles about optimization on my website
      check it out i hope it helps.

      <no links please>

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image74
      Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Its hard to know specifically if it is yoir tabs (or not) , I tend to put in what I think I would search for, or depending on your hub , like my teen pregancy one , I thought now whats a 16 yr old likely to search for ,lol.

      I think youre doing ok , dont stress about too much. Time will tell ( dont ya hate that expression) but trust me ,just when ya think ya got it figured ,theres something else to factor in , like just a slow time period re traffic , or a holiday ,or might be nothing wrong with the title ,tags or hub,could be goggles advertisements not suiting the catergory you chose.

      Gosh dont listen to me though, if theres a magic formula , I havent found it yet smile

      1. Helen Cater profile image59
        Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Ok would you take a quick look and come back and tell me a few you would use just so I know we are on the same page thanks.

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    Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago

    Don't always use the tabs that they provide you. Make up your own. That is what I do...yes add some tabs they give but not all. Be creative and add your own tabs too.

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    Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago

    I don't think any of us has found the magic formula yet, eaglekiwi lol

    And she should listen to you...you gave a good explanation

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    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    Hi Helen,

    have you used the Google Keyword tool?

    I never use the 'suggested tags' as they are awful and generic.

    If for example you wrote a hub about plagiarism (which you havent, but I have) and typed plagiarism as the keyword into that tool..... it will give you dozens of variations and phrases containing the word plagiarism.

    It will also tell you the typical value of the clicks if you select it from the drop down menu, and how many people search for those terms.


    1. Helen Cater profile image59
      Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have a link for that you are all being so helpful to this silly moo.

  5. Helen Cater profile image59
    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    Boy seems like everyone else is a little blind here ..so just to refresh, say my hub prevera anti wrinkle cream would i put the title as a tag and then just pick out words or is sentences better say some one googled in, "best anti wrinkle creams". Is that right because they way someone told me I thought I had to repeat thr saying over and over...Gosh I got this so wrong..Think the penny may have dropped with the comment what people would google in.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thats not what I would do Helen.

      I would go here:- https://adwords.google.co.uk/select/KeywordToolExternal

      And then type 'Anti wrinkle' into the google keyword tool, you will then be presented with a list of things that people actually search for.

      I would then select 'Show Estimated Average CPC' from the drop down tab.

      I would then look at some of the less generic keywords. For example, using 'Anti Wrinkle' is not going to get you anywhere near the top pages of google for that search term.

      The list shows me some less generic terms that I could use. Lets say I pick:-

      anti wrinkle cream review  (1300 searches per month, paying up to £1.28 per click)

      reviews anti wrinkle cream (2400 searches per month, paying up to £1.32 per click)

      new anti wrinkle cream (390 searches per month, paying up to £1.49 per click).

      I would then try and incorporate some of my selected key words/phrases into my hub too.

      I suggest that you give this tool a whirl.

      1. Helen Cater profile image59
        Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Wow that is so helpful I can't thank you enough I have been trying to get my head around this problem because the fact was I did'nt understand the whole tag thing. This is something else I have learnt and trust me when I say I am a slow learner when it come to computers.

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          ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I am still learning all the time..... I think even the most knowledgeable on here (which is not me!) still learn. But I am seeing a slow but sure increase in my daily earnings, and thats what keeps me motivated!

    2. lrohner profile image68
      lrohnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Without checking these keywords in any other keyword tool besides Google's, for your anti wrinkle cream hub I would use (among others) "anti aging facial cream", "skin anti wrinkle cream", "reviews wrinkle creams", etc. They all pay $2.00+ per ad, so these are good money making keywords. However, there is a ton of competition for all of the 'anti wrinkle cream' keywords, so you'd better be sure to get yourself a whole lotta backlinks! smile

      1. Helen Cater profile image59
        Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        Thats the problem I can not do it for one and I have no means of earning money at the moment is it simple or will I need a lot of help. I have tried looking at the advice on the hub .They all conflict with each other and leave me feeling very confused one i read earlier just came on here and asked me why I was doing it and I was following her own hub. I am lost but have now got the tag and keywords right I hope.

  6. Helen Cater profile image59
    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    Soz about the mistakes i was typing too fast.

  7. relache profile image67
    relacheposted 14 years ago

    You've only been here six days and it's the nadir of the summer traffic. 

    What sort of sudden changes are you expecting to see from your edits?  In fact, what makes you think changes are going to produce any different results at this time at all?

    1. Helen Cater profile image59
      Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think i read yours and it said you messed about with your tags and found your stars went up so I was taking your advice from your hub. Was hoping to improve the rating as you suggested.

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      badcompany99posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I hate that damn "Nadir", roll on the winter smile

      And both yer hubs and ads are fine Helen, just let the months go by, as old Costner said in Field of Dreams " if you build it they will come " and they will, just be patient  !

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    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    And yes..... your tags are crucial to your search engine performance. You need to try and find the winning combination of keywords that a) generate traffic, and b) pay a decent amount when somebody actually clicks through.

    Easier said than done, most hubbers have their secret few hubs which earn a lot of money.... and the rest will give you the occassional bonus.

  9. Helen Cater profile image59
    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    Ryan I have looked and would you go for the ones who have the least competition or is it worth using the 4p clicks which would you choose as obviously the more used are going to be harder is that not right. Also am I earning anything from my clicks I get now or do i have to wait for adsense.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Are you from the USA Helen or the UK?

      If so.... you are probably better off using the US Keyword tool, which will give you the figures in cents? If you google 'Keyword Tool' it should come up at the top....

      Anyway, I would use the ones that pay you decent money defo! Sometimes I throw a couple of low value ones in for traffic, but stick with your decent paying non generic keywords, such as the ones I gave you.... and try and use a couple of these in your hubs.

      I do use a couple of 4p ones for traffic, but I try and avoid using these terms in my hubs.

      Its a science which I myself have most definitely not mastered, but 10 visits a day for $1 clicks is going to be worth the same as 100 visits a day for 10 cents clicks, put it that way!

      I do write articles focussed on low value clicks, which never ever earn me more than 10-15 cents a click, a clever way would be to link to your higher paying hubs.

      I use the keyword tool as a title finder... I try and put decent paying keywords in my title.

      You could write a hub focussed on lower paying keywords, and use them purely as a means of driving traffic to your higher paying hubs.

      Anyway, I will let you have your fun!

  10. Helen Cater profile image59
    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    omg one step at a time here so is the link you gave me u.s and yes I am U.K.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well then you have the correct link wink

  11. Marisa Wright profile image87
    Marisa Wrightposted 14 years ago

    Hi Helen

    My advice is - stop worrying about tags!  They're mainly for internal HubPages use anyway.  The important thing is your content. 

    Have you read all Darkside's Hubs on how to lay out a Hub, how to use capsules, and how Hubpages works generally?  Please do! 


    Also read Lissie's Hub on how to optimize your layout for Adsense income:

    I know you don't have Adsense approval yet, but you may as well get things set up right now.

    I know the internet marketers spend a lot of time agonising over keywords and tags, but you've got a lot of other stuff to learn before you start worrying about that level of detail, IMO.  I don't get scientific about tags at all, and I'm doing OK!  I just ask myself, "what would people be searching for on Google if they wanted to find this subject"?  And I look at the "suggested tags" and add them if I think they make sense.  Try to keep it at around 15-20 tags.

    Finally, you've only been here a few days.  It takes weeks or months for traffic to build up.  Tweaking won't make it happen any faster.  Patience!

    1. Helen Cater profile image59
      Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Marisa very sound advice. I will check out the links you provided. I think I have been reading to many conflicting hubs and feeling a little overwhelmed by them all. Everyone has conflicting views on the best ways to approach this subject and I just need a helping hand. I am expecting to get refused by adsense as I have not been here long so looking for different ways to start earning a few cents before I try again. Ebay affiliate has been a headache. The domain problem had me in a spin I think I have found a solution to this but not sure it has worked. So many things I need to learn and each day I gain a little more knoledge.

      1. Marisa Wright profile image87
        Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

        My advice would be - ignore the advice of anyone who's been here less than a year!  Some of the advice that is bandied around by newbies relates more to websites than to HubPages.  Tags on Hubpages, for instance, aren't the same as tags on websites and aren't so important. 

        Hubbers you can rely on - Relache, Darkside, Misha and Whitney05 are earning good money from their Hubs so they must be doing something right.  Mark Knowles isn't around a lot (except to make mischief in the religious forums), but he was so successful here he's now a professional blogger. Look at how their Hubs are laid out, the length, the different capsules they use, and you'll learn a lot.

        There's quite a learning curve on Hubpages so don't expect to understand it all at once.  The main thing to understand is that ALL your paying customers will come via the search engines, and they don't react instantly.  Change something today and it will take days or weeks to see whether it affects your traffic. 

        Have you signed up for eBay?  Your domain is just www.hubpages.com.  They will ask you to download a tracker file with a one-liner activation code in it.  Don't - just copy the code, go to your "My Affiliates" section, click on the "activate" button to the left of the eBay line and paste in the code.  Now go back to the eBay partner network site, click "confirm" and with a bit of luck it will work.

        1. Helen Cater profile image59
          Helen Caterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yes i did this but the code is still sat in the affiliates section and I have had no response from ebay.

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    Ghost32posted 14 years ago

    Helen, I very seldom bother to tweak a Hub once it's out there, except of course to fix a typo if I happen to catch it, stuff like that.  I did try with a few...with definitely mixed results.  For every uptick there was another with a downtick.

    Mostly, going back and reworking Hubs feels a lot like I imagine going back and remarrying one of my six ex-wives would feel.  Been there, done that, did my best, not about to do it again.  Seems to me that since very few of my Hubs ever have been steady money earners to date, it's only logical to try a new one (wife or Hub) to see if maybe things will work out better "this time around".

    Note to my wife Pam in case she reads this:  No, honey, I don't mean I'm looking for a replacement, OK?  big_smile

    1. Ultimate Hubber profile image71
      Ultimate Hubberposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Same here. Except from re-marrying and ofcourse the note at the end. lol

      I sometimes feel I am just being silly and reluctant by not going back and editing them as I have written many hubs on similar topics and want to inter-link(backlinks) them, but never feel like editing the hub and doing this stuff.

    2. Marisa Wright profile image87
      Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I've tweaked a lot of my Hubs - several times, in fact.  When I wrote my first Hubs, there was a lot I didn't know.

      When I discovered how to search for Creative Commons photos on Flickr, I went back and added more photos to my Hubs. Recently I've added more to take advantage of the new Gallery feature.

      When I discovered the benefits of adding a Youtube video clip - it creates a backlink on Youtube and keeps visitors on your Hub longer, which is good for page rank - I added a few videos (but not too many as I was worried about broken links).  When HP introduced the broken link tracker, I went back and added Youtube clips to everything!!

      Next addition was a News capsule, after the Comments at the end of each Hub, to provide constantly updating content.

      When I realised that Amazon wasn't paying me well, I took out most of my Amazon ads.  Then I tweaked the layouts again after reading Lissie's Hub on optimising for Adsense.

      Finally - and I should have thanked you for this - I've been steadily going through my Hubs, adding a links capsule with 10 outbound links to each one.  You were the one who pointed out this is supposed to be good for page rank, so thanks!  I still don't like the idea of giving my readers more ways to leave my Hub without clicking on an ad, so my links capsule is right down the bottom, after the Comments and after the News - but the search engines won't care about that!

  13. profile image31
    564626posted 14 years ago

    Write 50 hubs this month and use good keywords with 500 words posts. I hope you will get 5 good hubs which will give you regular money. Most unexpected hub earn money.

  14. mcbean profile image58
    mcbeanposted 14 years ago

    Hi Helen,

    re your key words:

    I had a look at the wrinkle cream hub and the tags look good. Just don't be limited to tags directly related to the title.
    Oligopeptides are (apparently) a bit of a buzz word in the beauty arena. You have this in your content so stick it in the tags as well. Any subheadings or items / concepts discussed should also be in there. this casts a bigger net for those juicy search engine fish.
    Think a little broader about what people will search for and it should help.


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