Chaos the Void - Before the Beginning
Farthest-Ever View of the Universe
Not a Rebuttal or Criticism
Chaos the Void, from ancient Greek mythology, is the basis of my thought process and beliefs on how to respond to Glenn Stok's article: Where Was God Before The Beginning?
I would like to make it clear that this article is not a rebuttal or criticism of Glenn's article - nor is it a debate of opinions and beliefs. It is an attempt to present some thoughts and questions to ponder on as Glenn did so well in his article. Glenn put out some very deep thought-provoking questions that I found very challenging and he did it in a way that is refreshing, as opposed to heated debates on religion and personal beliefs. I commend him for being able to do this.
Was Greek Mythology Once a Firm Belief?
Some may think there is no comparison between today's religious beliefs and Greek mythology. Yet, we must remember that at one time people never called the stories "mythology" - they were beliefs. The ancient people believed in their gods, goddesses, war heroes and battles for supremacy. They worshiped Gaia as the Mother goddess.
They believed the goddess of the harvest would bless them with an abundance of foods if the people made offerings to her, gifted the goddess with festivals in her honor and prayed for good crops. Each member of the Greek pantheon, and they are numerous, has a specific attribute and was worshiped for those exact blessings. A pregnant woman would pray to the goddess of motherhood. A newly married couple would pray to the god or goddess of fertility.
The reason I have gone into Greek mythology is to make us think that possibly some day our religions and beliefs of today will be termed mythology by future civilizations - and I firmly believe this. Will they wonder what was our "Beginning" and where was God before the beginning? What will they perceive as "the beginning" or as God? Will they believe it all started after a cataclysmic event? As Glenn mentioned, does time repeat itself and is there to be another such catastrophe?
There was a lot of panic, theories and jokes being tossed around about the year 2012 and the Mayan Calendar. It is (or was) believed that because the last year on the calendar was 2012, the world was to end. Is it not possible that the last year carved on the calendar was just because the carver ran out of room? My theory is that the Mayans believed time will repeat itself so why carve it all out? Now, see - that would take one humongous stone.
What was in Existence Before the "Big Bang"?
Aha ! This is, to many people, The Beginning. (I do not believe the Big Bang was the beginning, so when I refer to it I am referring to the theory that scientists believe.) Did that event start a chain of events that gave birth to what eventually became our ancestral civilizations? Planetary scientists believe the Big Bang created the Universe about 13 billion years ago when a huge explosion of extremely hot and dense matter expanded. As this cooled off the transitions of all that matter went through many phases. The Universe is still expanding since that explosion.
Well, what was before the Big Bang? The solar system is over 4.6 billion years old. This event, the Big Bang, happened then before the solar system was created. So, does that not show that there was something out there before what scientists believe was The Beginning?
And where was God before this Big Bang?
According to SSERVI Solar system Exploration Research, formerly the NASA Lunar Science Institute:
... according to a leading theory now being explored in detail, that early era was capped by a truly cataclysmic event. About 3.9 billion years ago, the movement of the most massive planets dramatically rearranged the outer solar system. The shifting planets freed rocky and icy bodies from the solar system’s edge, commencing a bombardment of the entire retinue of planets.
So, apparently more explosions rearranged the Universe.
According to the Oxford Dictionaries, Universe is defined as:
All existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos. The universe is believed to be at least 10 billion light years in diameter and contains a vast number of galaxies; it has been expanding since its creation in the Big Bang about 13 billion years ago.
Order out of Chaos
Was there anything before that cataclysmic event? Of coure there was. Some forces caused pieces of rock and ice to start moving, picking up speed and flinging them helter skelter.
Hesiod was an ancient Greek poet who was active between 750 and 650 BC. Scholars today still consider Hesiod a major source of archaic Greek astronomy and ancient time-keeping. There we have two important factors of Universal knowledge and creation of the Universe - astronomy and time-keeping.
According to Hesiod, Chaos was the primeval void - the first thing which existed. This void was a mass of swirling debris, gases, rocks, ice, dust and who knows what else. Is it possible that these swirling masses that had no clear direction were the conscious or subconscious thoughts of God? Thoughts that were forming? Is it possible that these explosions and rearranging of planets were the thoughts of God, working to bring some kind of order out of Chaos?
To those who believe in God, He/She is All That Is, The One, The Mysterious, Omnipotent, Omniscience, and so vast that it is difficult to imagine Him/Her in human form or in any form small enough to envision.
Could these thoughts, the swirling masses, when they came together, have been God's Creation plan - thus the force that made the masses find direction and begin to bombard the solar system to rearrange and create the solar system we know now, plus other galaxies?
How is it that Hesiod, in his time, had the same theory that scientists of today are working on? Hmmmm?
Was Hesiod's primaeval void the same as the Black Hole?
Simulated View of a Black Hole in Front of the Large Magellanic Cloud
Gaia Ffrom the Chaos
Prior to the "Beginning" there was the Void, Chaos.
This is where God was before what scientists and the Bible call "The Beginning". Now think about that for a minute. "In the beginning, God ..." This to me means that God’s thoughts came together to start a project and "in the beginning of this project God created the Heavens and the Earth." It does not mean "before there was anything existing God created the Heavens and the Earth", for surely there was a beginning long before the Big Bang.
Now, from this void, the Chaos, after it began to pull together the masses and thoughts, came Gaia, the Mother Goddess of all that is in all the Universe.
She was Earth itself, the primordial deity. All that is was born from Her. Hesiod told of how Gaia rose up to the everlasting seat of Olympus above all (Heaven?). And she also ruled over the dark Tartarus (Hell?) below.
Many people still worship Gaia as Goddess of the Earth and that She is the Earth. Many refer to Earth as Mother Earth.
So - does this tell us where God was before the "Beginning"? And does it mean that God just always was, got lonesome so created things to nurture and care for?
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Gaia, Mother of All Creation ~
Did this article give you some new thoughts to think about?
Where Was God Before The Beginning ? by Glenn Stok of HubPages.
- Where Was God Before the Beginning?
The purpose of this article is not to argue with beliefs, but to suggest something to think about.
SSERVI Solar system Exploration Research Virtual Institute
© 2015 Phyllis Doyle Burns