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Humans With Horns Myth or Reality? Truth is Stranger Than Fiction.

Updated on February 24, 2016
Man with horns Yeah I know, not real, but you do get real people with horns! see below!
Man with horns Yeah I know, not real, but you do get real people with horns! see below!

They say truth is stranger than fiction. And with truth comes enlightenment. What we have to realize is that myths and legends are always steeped in mythical and magical word of mouth down through the ages, with whispers twisting this way and that, weaving and elaborating tales that are so tall they reach the sky.

But somewhere within those magical tales the truth shines through like a golden thread. The things we believe, are sometimes the things we know. From the horned Gods of legend, to the woolly monster that is known as the yeti.

Giants, little people and Dragons. They all have their place in the modern world. We just have to look closer to see the truth.

Do you believe in Dragons?

Here we take a look at that golden thread, and see how our ancestors could really believe that these people and animals were really Gods.

http://www.cultcase.com/2008/08/five-mysterious-skulls-dare-they-be.html Fake skull similar to the Pennsylvania find.
http://www.cultcase.com/2008/08/five-mysterious-skulls-dare-they-be.html Fake skull similar to the Pennsylvania find.
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The Horned Man. Myth.

From Herne the Hunter of Celtic British Myth, to the famous Devil in the Bible, horned men and women have been portrayed down the ages as something mystical and magical. Some believe they are evil, others say that they are the spirits of the forest.


Herne the Hunter from English Folklore is a ghost or Spirit that is said to haunt Windsor Great Park, home of the Queen. He was first mentioned in Shakespeare's play The Merry Wives of Windsor. He was said to be head keeper of the grounds of Windsor at the time of Elizabeth I but fell from grace by committing an offence and hanged himself in shame.


And of course the famous Pan of Greek legend was said to have horns.

But the myths and legends must have started somewhere. And this is the reason why we still believe in a modern world.

Horned skulls have been showing up in books and the internet for many years now, but are they actually real? There was one particular case from Pennsylvania that states a number of skulls were found that had horns, but they 'disappeared' before anyone could study them fully.

We don't actually need to see skulls to prove that people had horns. Archaeology may not show us the reality, but real people on the other hand, are a different matter.

Herne The Hunter.

Herne the Hunter a myth from Englands past.
Herne the Hunter a myth from Englands past. | Source
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Chinese Woman with Horn.

Chinese woman with horn
Chinese woman with horn
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Horned People Fact. Cutaneous Horns.

It's a fact. People can and do grow horns out of their heads. The medical term is called Cutaneous Horns.

So what causes it?

There are various ideas about why this strange anomaly happens. Some scientists believe it could be caused by either radiation caused by too much sun exposure.

Others believe that the papillomavirus, that causes warts to form on the skin may be the answer. In some cases it can be either or both.

They can also occur because of a skin disease or trauma to the head.

The horns are made from Keratin the same substance that make up our hair and nails.

The largest horn that was recorded was from a woman named Madame Dimanche, a French woman who lived in the 19th Century. The horn measured over 9ins in length. The funny thing was that she took nearly six years before she asked a Doctor to remove it! She had a face cast taken just before the removal. (See below)


These days most seem to occur in China or East, the most famous being a 101 year old woman from Lushan Country China. Her name is Zhang Ruifang and according to her son, she started to grow the horn after she had a thick patch of skin start to form on her head. It just carried on growing, and she now believes that she has one growing on the other side too.


There is one 69 year old unknown woman who was given the nick name the Unicorn woman, for obvious reasons. In her case she said that she had been bumped on the head years ago, and the horn was the result. Evidently she put up with the horn for twenty years! But after its removal you couldn't see the scar.


Tokyo Medical University Department Specimen.

Chinese mans horn was measured then molded into wax.
Chinese mans horn was measured then molded into wax. | Source

Human Horns.

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Horned Gods.

Throughout history there have been many people who have grown horns because of what we now know is purely medical reasons. But back then in the depths of time, people would have believed in Horned Gods and Goddesses.

And to see them would have have made generations of people bow down to them, and worship them as Gods. as time has gone by, these strange and wonderful people have become legends.

These days we see them as a curiosity to be sympathised with or even laughed at. I think we have lost the magic of imagination and reverence.

The myths and legends that we now yearn for are taken apart, put in the spotlight and scorned as medical curiosities to be stared at and then forgotten.

Its a shame.

The strange thing is, the human psyche is still yearning for more. We desperately want to find Bigfoot and the Loch ness monster. We need to know that Aliens have landed. We want the magic of those days gone past. And yet they are staring us in the face.

Sometimes we need to see things as they are, and wonder at their uniqueness. That way we can give back the respect and dignity that these people deserve.

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Hi Jo, that sounds lovely, hope you have a wonderful time! are you going off the island? wherever you go keep safe, and have a ball! lol!

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      Joanna Chandler 2 years ago from On planet Earth

      Good day nell just saying hi am around just busy see me soon. Going in a mini vacation from tomorrow plz God.

      Hope all is well with you and your family.

      Hugs Ladyfiddler

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Hi Buildreps, yes that's probably it! back then it had to be the devil etc, now we know its just keratin! lol! thanks for reading, nell

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Thanks colorfulone, yes its amazing isn't it? they say truth is stranger than fiction! lol!

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      Buildreps 2 years ago from Europe

      Amazing article. I only heard about this in myths, but never knew this actually existed. This might explain more about medieval superstitions about witches, devils etc.

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      Dreamer at heart 2 years ago from Northern California

      Your photos are worth a thousand words! I didn't know about this topic . You wrote a very interesting article here. Thanks, Tina

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Hi Pollyanna, thanks so much for reading, yes so many myths and legends come from reality, I am still waiting for elves to pop up somewhere in archaeology! lol!

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      Nell Rose 2 years ago from England

      Thanks so much Audrey! lol!

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      This is so interesting, Nell! I have been to a Believe It or Not Museum, and it had some very strange things, but not any horned people. Well done.

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      Pollyanna Jones 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      This is really interesting! As you point out, animal horns are made of keratin, as is our hair. I read that these growths are also known as cutaneous horns, basically a keratinous skin tumour. It might explain a lot of legends out there! Amazing stuff. Voted up and shared.

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      Audrey Howitt 2 years ago from California

      So cool Nell!!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks Deb! lol!

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      You can add me in to the crazies too!! Nuttier than a fruitcake here!

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      Joanna Chandler 3 years ago from On planet Earth

      Yes I am my dear :)

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi LF, lol! I thought I was the only one who danced around in the full moon! yes I am just crazy too, I hope! haha! thanks again, and hope you are having a wonderful day.

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      Joanna Chandler 3 years ago from On planet Earth

      LOL hmmm well i am a crack nut also Nell, and my craziness really gets weirder around full-moon where I'd just be giggling and talking with myself etc. Dancing, singing loud and i don't care who is watching ha ha ha.

      You know it has been said that around full moon crazy people acts up it seems highly possible lol.

      I am sane though my craziness is just a fun way of enjoying life :)

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      LOLOLO! Hiya LF! yep mad as a bag of spanners as we say over here! I just love weird stuff, the weirder the better for me! Great to see you as always.

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      Joanna Chandler 3 years ago from On planet Earth

      Nell i wish i could have taken a 'SELFIE" right now and show you my facial expression EWWWW!!! are there really people living with these horns come on i mean like serious?

      GROSS GROSS GROSS! I could not finish watching out the horn video lol i was freaking out.

      So the Ghost hung himself in Windsor Garden WAW! What happened he did not get enough people to spook out lmbo.

      Your really nuts......

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks Bob, yes they say truth is stranger than fiction don't they? lol! thanks for the read, nell

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      Robert E Smith 3 years ago from Rochester, New York

      Very interesting article. I enjoyed it immensely. Voted up and interesting. Bob.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi Anita, that's great! Unicorn girl sounds like an amazing piece, I love fantasy drawings. In fact I have quite a few on my bedroom wall, I would love to see it! thanks for reading, nell

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      Anita Saran 3 years ago

      Nell - your hub inspired me to get back to my bamboo tablet drawing. I have begun on a painting - Unicorn Girl. Not complete yet and tablet drawing really needs practice, but I like the result.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi Anita, its amazing isn't it? thanks so much for reading, nell

      Hi Marsei, glad you liked it, and thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Sue Pratt 3 years ago from New Orleans

      This was unique and fun to read. Voted up!

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      Anita Saran 3 years ago from Bangalore, India

      I was open-mouthed at this! Amazing stuff. Horned gods and goddesses are still out there! Voted up.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi Lady G, I will look out for it, thanks! and thanks for the share!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi mary, lol! no I am sure you won't grow a horn! thanks as always, nell

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Wow this is great Nell! I have missed a lot from being away from Hubpages. If you haven't yet, you should watch the funny movie Transylvania-65000. It is very funny but it sort of a satirical piece on human nature and fear of unusual things as you have brought about in this hub. You have to watch all the way to the end where they tell you what those things that people are so afraid of really are. I am sharing this one!!

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      I am always so impressed by the amount of time and effort you put into your Hubs. This one is no exception!

      Sure hope I don't grow a horn!!

      Voted up, etc.etc. and shared.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks oldhippie, now that would be something to see! lol!

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      oldhippie 3 years ago

      I would love to grow billy goat type horns

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks so much Eddy, glad you liked it, nell

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      What a brilliant read Nell and of course brings a few smiles along the way. Voted up and shared for sure.

      Here's wishing you a great weekend (despite the weather).

      Eddy.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      lol! beth now behave, no dirty minds here please.....um, well maybe! Haha!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Lucky lucky wife maalarue! Haha! thanks for the laugh!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi Bishop, yep I love grotesque! lol! and I am glad the only horn I have is on my bike! haha! thanks for reading, nell

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      Beth Perry 3 years ago from Tennesee

      lol maalarue!

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      John Mark 3 years ago from Texas

      My wife tell me I have horns...all the time.

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      Rebecca 3 years ago from USA

      what a fascinating, yet a bit grotesque hub. Very unique, and fun to read. I'm so glad I don't have this condition. Blech!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi Shyron, lol! yep trust me! I love finding out all sorts of odd things, and it fascinates me too, people with horns, who would have thought it? thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Way to go Nell, leave it to you to come up with something odd. This is very interesting and voted that way. Also shared. I wish I could see one for sure.

      Shyron

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Lol! sorry about that poetryman6969 thanks for reading, nell

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      poetryman6969 3 years ago

      Strangest thing I have seen all day.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks Mike, I love all these strange stories, and these horned people are amazing, thanks for reading, nell

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      Mike Robbers 3 years ago from London

      Neil such an extraordinary hub, a little bit creepy but yet so interesting story!! Thanks for sharing

      Voted up!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Thanks pras, its amazing isn't it? people with horns! who would have guessed! lol! once again, great to see you!

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      prasetio30 3 years ago from malang-indonesia

      Wow...I can't say anything. I had never heard about this before. Thanks for writing and sharing with us. Especially for the pictures as well. Voted up :-)

      Prasetio

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Alastar, I will have to go and see that book, it sounds fascinating, I was going to write about people with tails next! lol! not got around to it yet, I do think there is more to evolution and past civilizations than what we think, its fascinating isn't it? great to see you and thanks!

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      Alastar Packer 4 years ago from North Carolina

      You know Nell there actually some serious writers and researchers( many of whom are Christians for what that's worth, witness the new very interesting book "Exo-Vatica") who believe that there were cloning experiments by "others" and an older advanced human civilization that many of our myths originate from. This of course includes what you write about here. Who knows, our DNA is very close to many of our fellow creatures on this planet. You have a magic way with words which including the intriguing subject matter, pics, and vid made this a great read. In many cases we have lost the magic of imagination and reverence as you say. Thanks Nell. You know a good hub would be on unfortunates with tails, they exist as well on this strange world along with the horns.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks so much Cook Book, glad you liked it, nell

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      Dil Vil 4 years ago from India

      Interesting hub, thank you :)

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Eddy, thanks so much as always, and you have a great weekend too, thanks nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Vellur, it just goes to show that most myths and legends actually do come from reality in the first place, these people with horns say that really don't they. And the mysterious thing is, if we now can prove this, what about those Aliens? I am waiting! lol! thanks for reading, nell

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Wow so very interesting Nell ;I loved it and vote up for sure. Voted up and wishing you a wonderful weekend.

      Eddy.

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      Nithya Venkat 4 years ago from Dubai

      I totally agree, truth is stranger than fiction. I never imagined that humans could have horns!! We definitely have to learn about the Lochness Monster and Big Foot. How amazing it would be if we could really find them! I still wonder about aliens. I love watching Ancient Aliens!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi DAL, great to see you! lol! yes trust me to come up with something so bizarre as people with horns! thanks for reading, nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Glimmer, lol! wear a hat! I love the sun too, so fingers crossed I don't get a horn either! thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Dave 4 years ago from Lancashire north west England

      Hi Nell'

      I thought it was time I paid you a visit. I am never disappointed when I do. Only Nell Rose would pick a subject like this and turn into a brilliant story with your unique style. Voted up.

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 4 years ago

      I hope horns don't grown from too much sun exposure! I'm in trouble. I do have some sun spots, but they don't count.Fascinating hub Nell!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Lol mary, yes everyday is a strange anomaly ! glad you liked it, and thanks, nell

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      "...this strange anomaly" isn't every day a strange anomaly? You are so right Nell, being so clinical and skeptical we have taken the fun out of life. I like to believe in the mystical and magical but then if I say it out loud they'll come with the white coats!

      Thanks for another great article filled with interesting facts.

      Voted up, useful, and interesting and written so well.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks beth, yes I know what you mean, I think its because they believe the horn will make them popular so therefore they get gifts and stuff.

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      Beth Perry 4 years ago from Tennesee

      Fascinating article, Nell. I think it odd several of these folks waited so long to seek removal of the horns. But I am glad to hear the procedure can be done.

      Voted up!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi tobusiness, yes I know just what you mean! lol! thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Nell, this gave me the shivers! It sought of repels and attracts, all at the same time. Simply fascinating. Great hub as always.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks so much Elias, it is a strange but really interesting phenomenon, they still are not sure why people grow horns, but the scientific reason is keratin, but I am not so sure! lol! thanks! nell

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      Elias Zanetti 4 years ago from Athens, Greece

      Wonderful, well written cultural history Nell and a very interesting subject. Voted and pinned!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Kitty, yes I think they did use to do that! It would be so much easier with their own horns of course! lol! glad you liked it, and thanks!

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      Nicole Canfield 4 years ago from the Ether

      LOVED this, Nell! So makes me wonder about the Horned Lord, Pan, Cernunnos, etc. I believe also that the men would take up wearing the hide and antlers of a deer during hunting in order to get in close to the deer packs? I think it was also a fertility rite back in the day. :) Great stuff!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Deb, that is so true, thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks drbj, now that would be fascinating reading, lol!

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      There are many oddities out there, Nell, but the thing is, what is inside the HEART is what truly makes a person what they are.

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      drbj and sherry 4 years ago from south Florida

      What a fascinating topic, Nell. You did yourself proud with both your dissertation and your photos. Thank you for this horned enlightenment, m'dear. It made me think I should find a weird animal unicorn to interview.

      Voted up, of course!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi pearl, yes I must admit I did wonder that too! very strange! thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Connie Smith 4 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Wow, Nell, I had no idea such people existed! I wonder why it occurs so often in the Orient? A very informative and appropriate-for-Halloween article with curiously interesting but weird overtones ;Pearl

      Voted Up+++

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Anna, thanks so much for reading, I do love all these weird and wonderful things even people with horns! lol!

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      Anna Haven 4 years ago from Scotland

      You always deliver Nell. Very interesting.

      Who would have thought. I liked how you wound an element of mystery through it.

      Anna :)

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi daemon82, great name for a hub like this! lol! I think its because over the years tales become tall tales and so on, and especially back then it was all very mystical and superstitious. Thanks so much for reading, nell

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      daemon82 4 years ago

      Tales about mythological beings are generally inspired by nature, human nature included, however... I didn't think human skin problems (Cutaneous horns) would explain the way we conceptualize and visualize demons and demonic creatures! Very interesting.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Alicia, thanks so much for reading, I love myths and legends and to find the source of them fascinates me, thanks, have a great day! nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Alicia, thanks so much for reading, I love myths and legends and to find the source of them fascinates me, thanks, have a great day! nell

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      Linda Crampton 4 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      This is another very interesting hub about strange occurrences in life, Nell. You find some fascinating things to write about! Thank you for the education.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks cassandra, glad you liked it, nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi alan! lol! thanks for coming back, I am playing catchup so I will be over to read tomorrow, have a great night.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks again Jodah, yes the folk tales were right! how amazing is that? lol!

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      cassandraantares2 4 years ago

      WOW very interesting

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      Alan R Lancaster 4 years ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

      If they wore horns it would make them look too obvious. The biggest devils look the most innocent, believe me - I'm an expert!

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      John Hansen 4 years ago from Queensland Australia

      ..Enthralling reading Nell, and that video...wow. I had only seen the condition effecting hands and feet before, not horny protruberances from the head, but this is probably the basis of folk tales of horned men and women. Voted up...awesome.

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      lol! thanks so much Dianna, yes it is a bit like that isn't it? It just totally fascinated me when I saw them!

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      Dianna Mendez 4 years ago

      I was afraid of what I would see here, but I managed to keep my eyes open! Very interesting, Nell, as always!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi Genna, thank you so much! its a subject that fascinates me, people with horns, who would have guessed? lol!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi MizBejabbers, lol! yes your Mr. B may just grow a curly tail! seriously its great how they can replace valves with pig valves, wonderful. There are lots of amazing old cave paintings that show many anomalous things, we will never really know what they meant, but at least we know human horns are real, thanks for reading, nell

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      Genna East 4 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      This is a “must see it to believe it.” I had no idea this anomaly actually existed, which could certainly explain some of these myths. Excellent research, writing, and presentation, Nell, about a fascinating subject.

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      MizBejabbers 4 years ago

      Interesting topic, Nell. I love to delve into these myths, and myths are usually based on some kind of twisted fact. Supposedly in Atlantean times the priests from the Sons of Baliol ran experiments using humans and animals, and these are genetic holdovers. (Sounds very familiar doesn’t it? My cousin had a pig valve replacement for a mitral valve in his heart, and Mr. B is going to get mesh made of pig during an upcoming hernia repair. Gosh, I hope he doesn’t grow a curly tail!)

      On another note, anthropological experts on the History Channel are saying that ancient humankind mistook the connectors to the space helmets worn by ancient astronauts as horns. That, however, wouldn’t explain genetic anomalies such as those in your photos. Voted you up+

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      lol!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks Campbell, glad you liked it!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi alan, lol! kippers? I remember Robin Hood series, in fact I met Michael Praed who was the first and best Robin! lol! long story! I have been reading about Cernunnos today, and yes it does sound similar to Herne, I am sure the woman didn't know about the Devil, but it is strange isn't it? It does make you wonder whether there was a guy with horns back then!

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks Jeannie, humans are amazing aren't they? thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Hi bravewarrior, that's okay, we all have different reactions to them its just human, I know when I saw them I was amazed, and slightly spooked! lol! thanks so much for reading, nell

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      Nell Rose 4 years ago from England

      Thanks Crafty, yes me too, then I saw them and thought wow! thanks for reading, nell