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The Pathological Liar. They're Everywhere

Updated on September 12, 2016
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From Upstate NY, Paula shares life & career experiences, w/ all the crazy, wonderful & varied results of our trek to be all that we can be.

Definition, simplified

Pathos: (pa'-thos) n. [Gr. pathos, suffering, disease, feeling]


Pathological: (path' e laj' i k'l) adj. 1.) concerned with diseases. 2.) due to or involving disease 3.) governed by a compulsion; compulsive.

Liar: (li' er) n. A person who tells lies (relates untruths)


Some terms require only short, simple definition. Some individuals require no introduction.


TWO of the best....(sickest)

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A cautious & shrewd Attorney & misguided prosecution were Casey's salvation
A cautious & shrewd Attorney & misguided prosecution were Casey's salvation | Source

Faces beyond familiar

The faces of Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony have been placed here, not because I intend to write about them their lives, crimes and court cases, nor current status. I merely want my readers to see what a certified pathological liar may look like, should any be curious.

Nothing above nor below the average young adult female amongst the millions who exist most anywhere in a substantial number of countries of our world, I suspect. We see no horns nor fangs...and most importantly no neon sign around their necks flashing the words, When my lips are moving...I am lying.

Aside from the fact that these two young women are bona-fide certified classic examples of my topic, there is little if any information within about Jodi or Casey.

My intent here is to present as simple and comprehensible, a flash-class in Pathological Liar 101 as possible, while still affording my readers a solid grasp on recognizing these individuals when the dreaded moment arrives that they must.`


Facts on the table

You don't necessarily have to take my word for it, but if you're reading this, you know at least one or more pathological liars. This is an indisputable fact. You and I, as well as millions of others, have spoken to, lived or worked with, shared a church pew or classroom with....pathological liars. And this is merely brushing the surface. Many, the unfortunate of us may have been raised by, otherwise controlled by, married to or at least closely involved with these narcissistic, borderline personalities. While this may be one hell of an up-close and personal education of these characters, it is never positive nor pleasant.

So, WHO are "they" and where do "they" come from?

There is a universally common question asked by 90% of people who have ever (even momentarily) been subjected to sharing the same space and oxygen with a pathological liar. Oddly enough, this question is often the first from the mouths of those who have recently had a close encounter of the bizarre kind with one of these spooky, expert deceivers.
I mean no humor in this. These people can be quite frightening to the average ordinary and unsuspecting person, who hasn't been able to forgive himself for the little white lie he told 10 years ago.

In fact, Confession Time: As many hundreds of times I have sat face to face with a certified Borderline Personality Disorder pathological liar, they do not fail to increase my heart rate, raise the hairs on the back of my neck and cause my tummy to flip. How do they do this? I don't mean to frighten you....but it's in the deep dead, soul-less stare of their eyes and the foreboding, eerie and emotionless tone in their voice and speech. (Goosebumps...just imagining this scenario) The closest I can come to helping you out in your attempt to relate, is to make this simple comment. Remember, if you will, any interview or in-depth Documentary you have viewed of Ted Bundy, Richard (the Night Stalker) Ramirez, Richard ( the Ice Man) Kuklinsky or for that matter, any high-profile criminal/killer (serial or otherwise.) You cannot forget those eyes or the voice, and the chill up your spine.



WHY don't you believe me? boo hoo hoo
WHY don't you believe me? boo hoo hoo

The Every day, Generic Compulsive Liar

If lies were not so damaging and hurtful most of the time, we might often see the humor in some of the ridiculous lengths and ludicrous scenarios a liar will go to....to prove their deceitful point. It should certainly occur to us how much energy and effort goes into whipping out a lie per second. You know, that's actually an amazing feat. The plain and simple truth really is easier!

The seriousness of pathological lying is that it qualifies as and is diagnosed as a mental disorder. These are the individuals we simply cannot and normally do not believe due to the strength, consistency and frequency of their bold, blatant lies.

The Pathological liar in most cases begins their career as a youngster. All too often even those decent parents who may notice this flaw in their darling, erroneously think it may be only a phase...or a way to get attention, and will be outgrown. Seldom is this the case. We need to understand and accept the sad fact that these sick individuals have deeply rooted compulsions. Much like the addict and his/her drug.....the lying becomes beyond their conscious control.


Even if they may know better in a moral sense, they cannot and do not allow any barrier between the lie and themselves. He/she needs the lie to feel complete, even further, to feel superior. This should seem crazy to you....to any stable person....because my friend, it is in fact a form of crazy.....all due respect.


From a Professional: The Sociopath

Beep beep beep....ALERT
Beep beep beep....ALERT
Pay Attention !
Pay Attention !

The Red Flags.........Heads UP.

Should you be at all interested in what to look for....or at least be aware of in terms of recognizing that you may easily be in the presence of a Pathological Liar, I offer you a brief list of key characteristics. The reality is there are literally dozens of symptoms that can be attributed to this pathos and of course the average lay person is not expected to diagnose. We can however be wise enough to be duly informed and armed.


Man woman child...any color background environment, history or educational level

I would like to suggest you use caution as well as common sense as you read through the following list. Do not take any issue of possible warning sign(s) to the extreme nor fabricate and/or fantasize that you see or experience a particular troublesome character flaw in any one. Please use this information as a basis for further research and/or contact with Professionals.

The Compulsive (Pathological) Liar:

1.) When in conversation, he/she speaks either a.) Extremely dramatically, using flowery language and added expressions that seem unnecessary to the subject matter and appears to "sound" very knowledgeable by quoting unknown experts. b.) To the opposite extreme, remains quite monotone, controlled and condescending, with little or no change in facial expression throughout.

2.) This person somehow has an answer and/or explanation for absolutely everything and tends to brag or boast of having experienced the best and the worst in life at one time or another. Repeatedly uses a list of memorized and rarely-used/obsolete vocabulary, to purposely leave question marks in the listener's mind.

3.) Makes numerous conflicting statements, but when called on them, can immediately jump to his/her defense with an off the wall (yet logical-sounding) explanation.

4.) When you intentionally ask a question (and you should) the answer to which you are 100% certain yet receive the wrong answer from the liar. (Resist the urge to correct them.)

5.) This person will also bring up names of places he/she has never been, with people who are figments of their imagination with the precise intent to force you into the dark and the unknown. Since you cannot immediately disprove any of this an air of confidence may be detectable in the liar's attitude and facial expression.

6.) This is a huge red flag: Compulsive Liars are the world's most expert blamers and finger-pointers. They are the buck passers and the perpetual victim in any situation. A continual monologue of placing blame upon every one and anyone other than him/her self.

While I have listed only 6 points of alert, I am confident these are the best and easiest for most people to recognize with little difficulty. I'm also pretty sure at this moment, each of you is thinking about someone you know who fits each and every point. Remember my advice to use caution here.

Hubber Christin Sanders

HeeeeeeeeeR's   CHRISTON!  Superb writer and pretty too!
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Giving Credit where due

I would like to thank Christin Sanders from Midwest, America....aka Hubber ChristinS, who posted an interesting Question on our mutual Freelance Writer's site, "Hubpages," which was the inspiration for my hub.

Christin is an Apprenticeship Alumni, who has been with Hubpages for approximately 2 years. In this time Christin has published 122 hubs, has 782 followers, accrued over 100,000 views and has been awarded 17 Accolades. Christin is a talent to be reckoned with. Do yourself a favor and read her work. It is all fabulous.

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    RDHonde 

    2 months ago from South of France

    Cheers Doll

  • fpherj48 profile imageAUTHOR

    Paula 

    2 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    E en P.......My sympathy and complete understanding to you. You're so right...this is no laughing mater. Thank you for visiting my site. I'm pleased you like my article. Peace, Paula

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    RDHonde 

    2 months ago from South of France

    i’ve dealt with someone like this for twelve years of my life. He’s in jail now ... not a laughing matter. NPD is no joke and very scary. Great Hub and Thank You

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    Paula 

    3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hey Shy.....How are ya? Of course you know at least 3. I don't believe there's one person who has not crossed paths with at least 1 or 2 in their lifetime, Often, it's a matter of "recognizing" them. Once we're on to them, it's really best to avoid them. The sure way to scare them away is to calmly & openly call them on their lies. They HATE that! LOL

    It's important though, to realize that separating the mostly harmless "story teller" from the vicious manipulator & fraud, helps a lot.

    Once these characters get a good handle on the art of deception, they will not and most times, cannot stop. Jodi and Casey are perfect CLASSIC examples. Peace girlfriend! Paula

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    Shyron E Shenko 

    3 months ago from Texas

    Wow, Paula, what a hub. Yes I have known at least three. Until I saw the pictures in this hub I did not realize how much Jodi Arias and Casey Anthony look alike, they could pass for sisters.

    Blessings my dear friend.

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    Paula 

    3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    DZY!! So nice to see you. You are welcome to stop by anytime, as often as you like. I don't spend nearly the amount of time on here that I once did, so I'm happy to touch base with my friends when I get the chance.....

    It must be difficult to have to deal with a stepdaughter who has this bad habit of lying....they make situations very troubling and uncomfortable.

    As for my least favorite kind of people: "POLITICIANS" (Yuk!) Please let me know when you locate one who does NOT LIE...and damn it, Lizzy, we'll celebrate together!!! Have a good week end! P

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    Liz Elias 

    3 months ago from Oakley, CA

    Stopping by again, Paula; not only have you described my step-daughter to a "T," (as I described in my prior comment), but also the current occupant of the oval office!

    In the latter case, he seems too stupid to realize that every word he says is recorded somewhere in one type of medium or other, and his lies can be pulled up and pointed out at will.

    His innane attempts to say he "misspoke," or "that wasn't what I meant," are at once infuriating, pathetic, and shameful.

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    Paula 

    3 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hello Cynthia...First of all, Thank you for stopping by to visit. I'm glad you enjoyed my article.

    The fascinating story you tell isn't rare, Some people, who are very nice, sweet, individuals, may enjoy telling fairly "fantastic" tales simply for the entertainment they may provide. It seems harmless enough, even though they are often difficult to sit through!

    While in time, these tall tales become annoying and something we'd rather not have to deal with due to the discomfort they cause, as you have discovered, we tend to avoid these people!

    On the other hand, the compulsive, perpetual LIARS who are the subject of this article, are the highly dangerous, harmful type we MUST avoid like the plague. These people are seriously damaged individuals who inevitably wreak havoc and destruction.

    Have a good weekend, Cynthia! Peace, Paula

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    Cynthia 

    3 months ago from Vancouver Island, Canada

    This is such a fascinating article Paula. We have a friend-- and I mean, a Friend: kind, loving, moral, friendly, bright, caring for family members with great tenderness-- who has frequently startled us with "tall stories" of her exploits that couldn't possibly be true. Much like a public figure who will go unnamed, this friend will just flip her story or opinion in a way that is crazy-making if she believes that she is caught out in a lie. Sometimes I am exasperated by the lies, sometimes I am able just to look at them as weird "delusions" that are harmless. Her best friend is a competent mental health worker that I like a lot, and trust to be honest. This adds to the mystery. In any case, her 'stories' are mostly about herself, very grandiose, along with her young adult daughter, so there doesn't seem to be much malice to be concerned about. To stay sane, I limit my time in her company.

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    Paula 

    14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Catherine....I'm pleased my hub has become useful! LOL It's OK, girlfriend. You don't have to pretend you despise him.....I can tell you're one of his secret admirers..............OUCH!! You could just slap me, couldn't you??? LOL. Gotta laugh now and then...:)

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    Catherine Giordano 

    14 months ago from Orlando Florida

    With Donald Trump a president, we all get to witness a pathological liar in action every single day. WE can look at your criteria, and count the ways.

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    Shannon Henry 

    18 months ago from Texas

    Can't say that surprises me.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Shan....The situation you speak of is beyond "lying." It's borderline personality disorder BPD.....very difficult to handle. Usually chronic and defies treatment!

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    Shannon Henry 

    18 months ago from Texas

    Some of the ones I know tell some whoppers that are so obviously not true!!!! Lies about illnesses and treatments. Lies about owning things that someone else owns. But one of the funniest string of lies was someone telling me all about how she was pregnant after finding out I was pregnant with my second child. She suddenly became pregnant with twins even though she couldn't get pregnant. And she got all these supplies for her babies that someone stole. Everything. Cribs, clothes, all of it. And then somehow she miscarried or something. I forgot how she backed out of her tale when she had to. I almost told her off, but I kind of amused by her. My entertainment sources were rather limited at the time. It was like a bad soap opera. LOL. And I kind of wanted to see that train wreck crash. It's never pretty when it does crash, though, especially to those who finally derail the train.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Linda.....We've all known several in our lifetime.....perhaps more than we ever recognized! They seem to be growing in number...OR, they're not as good at it as they think and we're getting smarter!!

    Thanks for the comment!

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    Linda Rogers 

    18 months ago from Minnesota

    I've definitely met a couple pathological liars in my life and it's confusing, exhausting and can be very damaging. You did a great job discussing this topic.

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    Paula 

    18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Spark....You can be sure you're correct~ there are more and more pathological liars cropping up. It is most definitely a symptom of our rapidly changing (as well as morally declining) society. Were we to dedicate all of our time to writing on the various personality disorders, we could write on forever, without ever running out of material. This, I should think, is not a good thing for the future of the Human being!....Thanks for reading. (I love Daniel (blue) & love reading his work)....Paula

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    Sparkster Publishing 

    18 months ago from United Kingdom

    Great article. I'm surprised I hadn't seen this before but I'm sure I would have left a comment. I've had plenty of experience with pathological liars, they can be real hard work and very draining to be around. Unfortunately, there's way too many of them around and as pointed out it's a trait of several illnesses and disorders which when combined are quite widespread.

    Some great comments here too, especially the comments from Daniel Williams (Somethgblue).

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    Paula 

    22 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Lady guitar picker....the best rule of thumb to follow with Liars is to accept that when their lips are moving....they're lying. Thanks for stopping by.

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    stella vadakin 

    22 months ago from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619

    I have worked with 2 of these people. We never knew the one that told the most lies. A very interesting hub.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Wilma, I'm not surprised you know at least 2 pathological liars. Like my title indicates, "they;re everywhere." Not too hard to spot, but very difficult to tolerate. Best to avoid & ignore them! Peace, Paula

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    Wilma Henry 

    2 years ago from Kentucky

    I know two people I consider to be pathological liars. One has the monotonic, (is that even a word!?) unemotional approach and the other has a dramatic flair. What they have in common is the know-it-all, superior attitude and the need to argue over everything.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    sweet of you to say.....This old lady is calling it a day. Been up since 4 am.

    Don't ask WHY. It's what time I woke up! LOL...Now I'm both tired & hungry. This calls for PB&J in bed! I own the WHOLE bed!! LOL

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    It helps to have friends like you, trust me. :)

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Not I honey...that's for sure. I think you've got the hang of this just fine!! LOL

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Ha! I could surely do without anymore practice. What can I say? I told you I'm surrounded. If I really lost my mind, who could blame me?

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Gosh Shan.....sounds SPOOKY.....I'm happy you deal with it so well. See what practice does?? LOL!! You must be expert level by now.

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Bahahaha! Ha! And to think. . .Crazy came out to play just to prove she wasn't! Over a photo of a straight jacket that says insanity runs in the family that someone else posted three years ago!!! Now I hacked her Facebook and she's dying again. I wasn't the only one under fire and no one even mentioned her name. So I did ask if she has a guilty conscience. But, seriously, I almost busted out laughing at work just thinking about it. Perhaps I do need that straight jacket after all. LOL Office work. . .LMAO. . .you'd run. . .with good reason.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Shan.... You crack me up! Now don't keep me hanging off a cliff, girl! Get on that email! You're putting me right back in the office you know!! LOL That's OK. You're worth it! :)

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Oh, crazy exploded today!!!!! Hashanah and all I can do is think of your hub!!!!!!!

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Come at your own risk! This is the kind of bat-shit crazy that causes crazy's face to turn lobster red while yelling and carrying on.

    Oh yeah, you said forewarned is forewarned. Hahaha

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    You laugh. That must mean I should start packing!

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    LMAO!!!

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Gosh.....That's awful! Want me to move in with you for a couple weeks?

    LMAO!!! I'll clean house for you and straighten out the Riff-Raff.....and I don't mean vacuum and mop floors!!

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    I don't have the energy to deal with the aftermath of calling bullshit. Trust me, around here, it's a big dramatic blowout when someone does.

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    But there's bat shit crazy and than there's BAT SHIT CRAZY. LOL. The latter is maybe not so fun, at least not while it's happening. But those lies can sometimes be amusing too. Unless they are of the more serious nature. I've seen people fall for them and not much I can do about it. But people will hang over money for them and it makes me wanna scream DON'T DO IT! Oh, but the ridiculous lies of little harm. . what else to do but laugh?

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Shanmarie......Now "bat-shit crazy" I definitely KNOW~~intimately! LOL In fact, I just used that term a few days ago. Once in a while it's fun to communicate with someone who is bat-shit crazy, don't you think?

    Not only do they make me Laugh my ass off.....but just think of how wonderfully "normal" they make us feel!!..........................LMAO!

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Well. I can practice my pathological lying acting abilities and see what kind of lie I can concoct on the spot about what it means to be mustache crazy. . .It can't be any crazier than batshit crazy, of that I'm certain! Hahahaha I have plenty of experience dealing with that too from the same people!

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hey Jodah. There is no question that these individuals actually believe their own deceit. It becomes such a spontaneous part of their personality, after a while, they become incapable of making any truthful statements whatsoever. Of course there are degrees and some are much more worrisome than others.

    The thing is, it becomes apparent to so many people who become involved with them. Losing all credibility is not a position any normal adult wants to foster.

    I am sad today because 2 people I am very fond of have had a clash of words & I'm struggling through with trying to know what to say or do. I feel badly that there's little I can say. However, just as this hub of mine explains, quite often it can be best to say nothing, rather than grope for the proper verbiage. I'm sure you know what I mean, Jodah.

    Thanks for stopping by. Enjoy the rest of your week-end. Paula

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    John Hansen 

    2 years ago from Queensland Australia

    Hi Paula, I only just realised that this is an old hub. Nonetheless, it is a great topic and very informative read. I do know one or two people who fit the description. The thing is I think they get to the stage that they really believe everything they say even though most of it is lies. It is like they are an actor trying to become the character they are playing.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I didn't even want to ASK what "mustache crazy," means. If there is such a thing, I probably wouldn't understand!! LOL

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Mustache crazy? I should learn not to use my phone to leave comments. It tried to call it the butt hut when I said I feel like I've been to the nut hut in that email I sent! LOL

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Great Plan of action! You're one smart cookie!! LOL

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Hahaha. Well, I fully realize who I am talking to and that's why I said "most people." Insane, dysfunctional, pathological liars. . I've seen more than I ever care to see again. But instead of standing back to watch the show, I make myself scarce whenever possible. I'd really rather prefer to think they are rare beings and I'm mustache crazy one to find myself in the middle every now and again. Ha!

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    I doubt you could tell me anything I would doubt~~ or haven't heard a few times already!! LOL

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    I try! But can't always. I could tell you some stories that most would doubt and think I'm the liar.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    You may stop wondering Shanmarie. The answers are Yes~~ & Yes. It's a constant battle. Stay out of firing range.

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    Shannon Henry 

    2 years ago from Texas

    Oh my gosh, I've been surrounded by them. Such a strange experience, for lack of a better word. I wonder sometimes if they believe their own lies even though they cannot possibly be true. I also wonder if it can be hereditary? If so, that is a truly sobering thought.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    thanks for the head's up on your new hub....I'm in Georgia at the moment visiting son & family for 3 weeks.....on borrowed MAC from Daughter in law...I don't want to spend too much time on it.....so, Ill catch your hub asap. No doubt it is awesome. You write great stuff regardless of topic.

    Hey....my son moved from outside of Atlanta, further NORTH NEAR THE TENNESSEE! Right now darling, we are only 4 hrs apart! The closest we've ever been.....and WILL ever be! LOL

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    Jay C OBrien 

    2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

    Somethgblue

    That is hilarious. Please read my Hubs,

    How Would Jesus See The Gettysburg Address?

    Patrick Henry and Mental Health

    What do you think?

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    somethgblue 

    2 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Here is quote from an article of mine that Hub Pages in their divine wisdom has removed the Advertising from because it just may have a little too much truth in it and might make folks uncomfortable.

    "Wikipedia defines a psychopath as a person lacking empathy with little or no control over their anti-social behavior.

    Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) (or sociopathy (/ˈsoʊsiəˌpæθi/)) is a personality trait or disorder characterised partly by enduring anti-social behavior, a diminished capacity for empathy or remorse, and poor behavioral controls.[1]

    Considering the current state of foreign affairs lead by the American Government in terms of unfettered warfare throughout the world with little regard for collateral losses, the above definition is a good illustration of America's political character."

    It is entitled American Is Ruled by Psychopaths and although I generally don't delve into politics, the truth is the truth and sometimes just needs to be shared.

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jay...In as much as both narcissism & compulsive Lying are pathological (forms of mental illness) yes, they're "related," so to speak.

    Some experts make Mental disorder Stew and throw several, often ALL personality disorders into one pot. This can be acceptable at times, depending on situations, age, history, diagnosis etc.

    I'll just say this much with a fair amount of confidence. One would be hard pressed to encounter a pathological liar who is not a stark narcissist.....and vice/versa.

    You might want to rationalize for a moment....A glaring narcissist would have to maintain his own self-perceived PERFECTION, by firmly believing the lies he tells himself~~~make sense to you? Practice lying to yourself long enough and hard enough and you can whip out that BS to anyone, anytime.

    Thanks for stopping by. Have a Merry Christmas.

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    Jay C OBrien 

    2 years ago from Houston, TX USA

    Here is another Hub I am reading on mental health, "The Child Victim of a Narcissistic Personality Disordered Parent."

    Are the two related?

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    Liz Elias 

    2 years ago from Oakley, CA

    Oh. My. Goodness!

    "Drama Queen; perpetual victim; never her fault; name-dropper;" ... you have just described my step-daughter. I had met her only a couple of times, briefly, before early 2015, when circumstances in her life left her with no place to live and she had to move in with us.

    Some of the stories she tells--to avoid admitting she spent money on stuff she shouldn't have, for just one example, it's always, "I won it," or "So-and-so gave it to me." And it's always a long and involved story and odd set of circumstances that led to the "win" or the "gift."

    There are days when I'm tempted to come back at her by saying simply, "And to think that I saw it on Mulberry Street." At 38 years of age--she should 'get' the reference....

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    Paula 

    2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hello rj......sounds as though you might just have a little knowledge! LOL it amazes me how the average unsuspecting person can be so easily and quickly taken in by these deceitful creatures. However, this is only because I can spot them in an instant.

    The reality is, Pathological liars are quite adept at what they do. Yes, because they have, in their illness, been able to train their brains to BELIEVE their own lies.

    Thanks for the visit.

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    rjbatty 

    2 years ago from Irvine

    The most expert liars are the ones who somehow convince themselves that their phony stories are real and true. This makes them almost impossible to detect. With the casual liar, you can detect subtle facial changes, eyes being adverted, a barely noticeable change in voice. The professional liar is someone who self-identifies himself/herself with a fabrication to an extent that the lie actually becomes reality in their mind. That's when things get really scary.

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Congratulations. You probably have fewer nightmares than the rest of us!

    Seriously, if it should ever interest you, you can always read up on it. There are untold # of articles, several books....video of the trial...etc.

    Or you can just ask me....I know it from start to finish and every bloody, brutal moment in between!

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    Catherine Giordano 

    3 years ago from Orlando Florida

    I didn't follow the Jodi Arias case at all.

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Catherine......And I remember thinking, in all my decades of face to face interaction with these sickos, Casey ranked among the top 5 worst. However, then along came a spider named, "Jodi Arias." Did you happen to follow that case?

    That woman is BY FAR, the single most outrageous, chilling and psychotic individual of all and ANY (at least "female") LIARS of all time. She is an authentic, text book classic "PATHOLOGICAL Criminal." Still gives me shivers to think about that SPOOK.

    I actually signed a petition that circulated to members of the American Association of Professional Mental Health Clinicians, to the Board of Ethics & Standards to conduct a thorough investigation into LaViolette (the "alleged" Domestic Violence Counselor) who claims to have come to the conclusion that Jodi had been a victim of abuse by Travis.......It's really frightening when the counselor is crazier than the patient!........Thanks Catherine.

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    Catherine Giordano 

    3 years ago from Orlando Florida

    fpherj48: I live in Florida and followed the Casey Anthony case. (She lived in Florida also.) I think she lied so much that even she did not know the difference between truth and lies anymore. You did a nice job of explaining this pathology.

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    "But what's a person to do?"

    1.) Do not believe a word that comes from their Liar's mouth.

    2.) Avoid them whenever possible.

    3.) Do not encourage them to keep talking.....and do not bother with questions. All the answers are totally untrue.

    4.) Be very GLAD you're not one of them!!

    Thanks for stopping by. Nice to meet you AND THAT'S THE TRUTH!

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    sunflowerforests 

    3 years ago from The light in the forest of doubt.

    They really are everywhere! I agree. lol But what's a person to do? We can't hide from it. Very interesting perspective from Ms. Paula's hub collection. Thanks!

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Jay &

    Robin

    I thank you both for stopping by and adding your thoughts. I always appreciate feedback and I'm glad to know 2 hubbers who are new to me!

    Pathological Liars are far more common than most ordinary people can imagine. Even here in the comments you can see people saying they "don't think they know any pathological liars." HA! I merely have to accept that most people do not know the signs and symptoms or just haven't been personally affected by these sneaky devils.

    As my Title suggests...THEY'RE EVERYWHERE

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    Robin Grosswirth 

    3 years ago from New York

    Sadly, I have had experience with this as a victim. And, many who are just bystanders who aid and abet because as we all know, bullies/sociopaths, generate fear, not respect, and people are only too happy to follow so as not to be harmed themselves.

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    Jay C OBrien 

    3 years ago from Houston, TX USA

    This article hit a chord with me. After all these years I have come to the conclusion that most people have some form of mental illness. The goal now is to analyze yourself and learn to deal with it. I invite you to read the Hub "The Cause of Dracula," which suggests a scientific basis for mental illness in humanity.

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    The best news is their own lies is what ultimately destroyed their lives.

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    Linda Bilyeu 

    3 years ago from Orlando, FL

    I had forgotten about this article! You nailed Jodi and Casey to the wall with your description of pathological liars! And that ain't no lie! :)

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    Paula 

    3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Thanks, Mira. Her sentencing hearing is currently in progress, although not televised. I have to listen to the after reports. I'm glad you enjoyed my hub.

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    Mira Fang 

    3 years ago from Canada

    Very interesting article. I could almost feel the heat coming off the words at times. I am rather familiar with the case of Arias, so just seeing her image was a potent addition to the article. I enjoyed this immensely.

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Know the feeling, went into the bank today with my change jar thinking I might be able to get 30 to 35 bucks out of it, never cashed it in before and the lady that showed me how to work the change machine told me it was at least 80, turned out to be $117.28, whoo-ho!

    I've never learned to exist on solar power . . . yet so I guess I'll just have to continue to consume mass quantities.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    You are a laugh a minute.....not to mention "one of a kind." Thanks for my evening entertainment and education. I'm glad you don't charge for this. I'm totally broke! LOL

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Yeah, they lip synqed on their videos but unlike the hundreds of other performers that did so as well they got outed. To me it was no biggie and didn't detract from their music, so what if they didn't sing all their tunes, it was still good.

    "Girl you know it's true, ooh, ooh, ooh."

    When thinking outside the six sided cardboard platonic solid becomes the norm I will finally be able to have a conversation without giving a history lesson, whew that will be a relief.

    I don't know how clever that was but it is rare to find like minded folks, although I ran into four last weekend at various spots throughout the small town I live in and was pleasantly surprised.

    I just spent most of the weekend trying to explain to someone on examiner.com that I don't require proof, evidence or facts to determine the truth, just what I feel in my heart. He couldn't understand the premise that I think 'science' is a theory created to show how statistics can quantify the truth.

    That scientist's only look at the information that supports their theories and don't include esoteric knowledge, ideas and feelings. That stats and recorded data is only one small part of the equation and that your reality starts and ends with what you feel in your heart to be true.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probable has web feet . . . "so be kind to your web footed friends, for a duck maybe somebody's moootheer!"

    As I like to say "Does a one wing duck fly in a circle?"

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    "Milli Vanilli"....LOL! There's a blast from the past. Weren't they exposed as lip-sync-frauds? Or am I thinking of some other group?

    I don't know Daniel, I've come to expect your very unique and "signature" take on just about any topic. Always interesting and you definitely cause readers to use some brain power.

    What will happen when "thinking out of the box"....becomes the norm?

    I have no doubt that you are going to answer my question....and very cleverly!.......Thanks again for your contribution....:)

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Thought you might find this interesting . . .

    The liars who lie about psychiatry

    by Jon Rappoport

    October 14, 2014

    www.nomorefakenews.com

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Of course because a P Liar 'thinks' they can get away with anything and because of this develop a sense of superiority, they may believe they can do drugs because they are in complete control and this gives them the false sense of security to do them with impunity.

    Drug addicts (alcohol is a drug labeling them as separate plays into the disinformation on the subject) become excellent Liars because of the need to cover their guilt associated with drug abuse and to mask their disingenuous behavior, take it from an expert.

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    I get his newsletter and although he can be long winded he was an award winning journalist for many years before he went out on his own.

    I have yet to read his book series, mostly because I have already arrived at the same information independently, plus it is a lot like David Icke and lord knows he is long winded.

    Poor parenting was created as a means to an end by The Powers That Be and is a viscous cycle. The sound foundation of families provided the biggest obstacle to the NWO agenda so they actually promoted and instituted the free love experience of the 60s to divide and conquer.

    So as Milli Vanilli sang . . . "Blame it on the rain, ooh, ooh, ooh!"

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Daniel.....So good to see you stranger! As always, you contribute much to a discussion. Thank you so much for the link. Quite a long article but well worth reading every word. I haven't a single argument with Mr. Rappoport's excellent report. It's clear he has done his homework and has some hard core evidence.

    I am especially adverse to medicating children, in terms of all the ADHD nonsense. IMHO, many of the behaviors that seem to become "issues" are in fact due to less-than-acceptable parenting skills, allergies and (as the article suggests) short-cut, inaccurate diagnoses in the first place.

    BTW....that comment about poor parenting is sure to garner me a few harsh words from some "doting" parents.....But I can take it.

    Thanks for stopping by. Hope all is well in your world!...Peace, Paula

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Fox.....There actually is no factually documented "connection" between this particular disorder and drug/alcohol abuse. In fact....and this is interesting....Pathological liars are more often than not so intelligent and "self-aware" that they shun mind-altering substances as if to always have the need to be in total control of their faculties. If we think about that, it makes sense. Think of how difficult it is to lie about 90% of your life and keep track of it all!

    However, somewhere in my hub I'm sure I mention that the LIE is their drug......or there "fix," so to speak. Like any mental disorder, there is usually a pay-off for the Liar.

    What blew me away was all the comments from people who "didn't think they knew any pathological liars." The reality is, it is so pervasive, that's not even possible. All this tells me is that these individuals are not "recognizing" the culprits.

    Thanks for stopping by Foxy! Always good to hear from you...and I'm not lying!

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    Writer Fox 

    4 years ago from the wadi near the little river

    It's been my experience that pathological liars also lie when there is no discernible reason for telling a lie. I've often wondered if drug abuse has a part to play in this personality disorder as well.

    You present some profound information here and I especially appreciated your six-point list. Voted up and useful!

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hey.....a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do......Whatever works! I commend you! Clever is a GOOD thing!...LOL

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    David Stone 

    4 years ago from New York City

    It's interesting. When I was is in business as a freelance print broker, I discovered that one man I depended on for work I contract out was a pathological liar. At the time, I did my research and got an idea about the causes behind the trait and used what I knew to get him to be a reliable business partner.

    For the record, pathological liar suffer low self-esteem, which is what all the lying is cover for, and they are paranoid. I'm not sure it was the most selfless time in my life, but I always thought it was one of the cleverest.

    Thanks for the smart hub. I appreciated reading it.

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    Irfan 

    4 years ago from Adelaide, Australia

    we get cnn , bbc and fox news here ... although i don't follow any news... i've seen the pics before ... on tv. i'll read about them.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Irfan......Are these high profile Trials televised in Pakistan? If they are, that's very interesting to me. Of course, anyone could have followed this bizarre case in print and online. If it had not been so many miles away from my home, I'd have definitely been present in the court room, every minute of every day.

    The woman is beyond an enigma. Every mental health professional sees a goldmine of discoveries and education in Jodi. They will be clawing at the jailhouse doors to get at her mind.

    Sadly for Travis....it was not her mind he was focused on.....until perhaps it was a bit too late. Thanks for stopping by, Irfan.

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    Irfan 

    4 years ago from Adelaide, Australia

    great players they may seem, they can only win if they don't spend too much time in the same place. took me about 2 weeks to conclude there was something seriously wrong in her head. Walk away as fast as you can, coz they really know how to screw with your head...

    Good hub Paula ... +

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hmmmm....I have this phrase ringing in my ear, Lady G....."The apple doesn't fall far from the tree"......Thanks for stopping by,hon.....and GOOD FOR YOU for standing up to a liar and pointing out their deception!

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    Debra Allen 

    4 years ago from West By God

    Wow and yes I know one specific person on HP that is one of these and I also know a family member of mine or two that are one of these too. Boy did my family member get really upset when I called her out on her lies and she blocked me from her life. So be it. It did hurt at first, well for a few months and now....well she got caught in one of her lies about me and let her stew in that. Funny thing though how she "manipulated" me into believing that her father (we have been divorce since 1991) is a pathological liar....REALLY??? I already knew that. The funny this is that she calls him that too and yet she goes right to others and lies about me. Oh the DRAMA QUEEN!

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    "Grumpy," Yes....You. No denial allowed. Just a lesson in term analysis.

    Ass U Me..........I will ASSUME you know the definition.......Smile....

    Peace, My friend. How's the weather in Tennessee? It's August here in NY too.....but, we're obviously being granted a preview of Autumn....which is absolutely fine with me...Did I tell you already that I spent some time in Johnson City Tennessee in the '70's? If I did, sorry for repeating myself........Luego, Hombre bueno.

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Grumpy, Moi? You asked me to explain a certain aspect of the situation, which I did and then I no longer heard from you again, I mistakenly 'assumed' my explanation didn't fit your paradigm.

    I have since discovered that I am not the only 'no planer' in the world and that may others have jumped on that band wagon however me and John Lear seem to have been the first to publicly discuss the topic.

    I might have thought it was the biggest lie in his story years ago but realize now it is not even close.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Kevin.....I appreciate your thoughtful comment. There are many theories, both professional and otherwise (through experience) that can help us to understand the unusual wiring of the brain of sociopaths. There has been even further study in terms of the specific catalysts that direct a human being to pursue one path or the other.

    FYI....in nearly every instance of the severe pathology of deception and manipulation.....it is clearly evident and has been duly noted that during early adolescence, the child repeatedly experiences what is perceived as "beneficial, positive" results and reaction to providing lies as opposed to going through the process of learning to live and grow through the process of trial and error.

    This continues to reinforce the negative behavior despite inevitable chaos and destruction. The Liar merely chooses to perfect his/her craft.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Hendrika......So glad you stopped by for a visit. I appreciate your interest in my hub. Seeing your bio reminds me to do some research on an Oscar Pistorious update! It must be quite the seriously high-profile case in So. Africa. Have you a strong opinion on this tragedy? Would truly be interested in your thoughts........

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    Kevin Washburn 

    4 years ago from Macon, GA

    Liars are a unique and interesting phenomenon and I am not sure that we as a society know exactly where they come from or specifically what helps to develop the trait in someones personality. I believe we are all possess the impulse to lie as a matter of self preservation or to achieve the greater good IE. not hurting someone we care about."Yes I like your new haircut" or "No you don't look like you have gained weight" when those things couldn't be less than that which we really think. To me, while still technically wrong if you are striving to follow a truthful path in life that concept carries with it a certain degree of understandability. What I cannot get my mind around is someone who chooses to lie in a case where the truth would actually be as good or better. It seems to me that those people only serve to make their lives more difficult and risk real embarrassment when and if exposed. I had a coworker for a time who apparently simply could not tell the truth. He would lie in what seemed to me to be something of a past time and as far as I could tell never had any guilt or remorse in doing so. That, to me was frankly inconceivable and to this day is still as perplexing as ever.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    blue.....The news media is shameful, no doubt. When you know which slant is pushed on which network or cable channel, before even watching.....it's fairly easy to see what manipulators they are. I almost can't bear to listen most of the time.

    That's where it's a great thing to have our own intelligence and common sense. Problem being, too many people are so easily deceived.

    I certainly did respond to your hub explaining your opinion of 911! Of course it blew my mind.....but I wouldn't say "cognitive dissonance has reared it's ugly head." I even did some research on that (cog dis) as you suggested I do. I'm always open to all things, blue.

    You know buddy, I could say the same thing about not hearing from you for several days! Right? LOL.....Thanks for stopping by.....good to see you, even when you're grumpy!! LOL

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    Hendrika 

    4 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

    All this is very interesting. Funny enough I have know 2 sociopaths (both dead now) and they did lie when needed to avoid trouble, but when the truth would do they told the truth. So, after reading this I came to realize that not all sociopaths are pathological liars. Very interesting!

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Dolores.....You are so right. Isn't it crazy the way some characters in this world will weave their self into a tiny corner with no exit.....by simple deception? My Dad always said he figured that liars take copious notes!! LOL.......How else could someone remember there own game??

    Thanks so much for visiting!

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Were you aware that in 2003 the US Supreme Court ruled that TV News stations were entertainment shows and that they did not have to 'tell' the public the truth?

    Not one TV News station picked up and ran this story anywhere in the USA, not one!

    So you see that Pathological Liars includes our TV News Media as well, is censorship lying?

    If the TV News shows you airplanes hitting the world trade centers, knowing that it is animation, designed to confuse you into believing it is true, is it not a form of entertainment? If all the stations show you the same thing is it not a form of collusion, designed to entertain you?

    Since you read my 'no planes' article I haven't heard from you, a sign that cognitive dissonance is rearing its ugly head once more.

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    Dolores Monet 

    4 years ago from East Coast, United States

    This is one of those hubs where the comments are as interesting as the hub itself! I've often wondered how liars are made. What leads them into this weird behavior. I say weird because it sure seems like a lot of trouble. If you are lying to get out of something, to cover up criminal or immoral activity that's one thing, but just to lie and lie. Honesty is so much easier!

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    poetryman.........They have, they do and they always will!!! My sentiments exactly! Pretty damned sad, isn't it? Or is that scary? Maybe both!

    Thanks for your realistic input!!

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    poetryman6969 

    4 years ago

    I thought they were all running for high political office.

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    Paula 

    4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    or rocky road, or butter pecan, hagendaas, caramel marble, chocolate chip, strawberry, ...and then there's sherbet,frozen yogurt, Italian ice, ............I'm sorry, blue.....did you say something about behavior modification?

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    somethgblue 

    4 years ago from Shelbyville, Tennessee

    Discipline is the key to all behavior modifications . . . take chocolate ice cream for instance.

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