The writers of books and short story mention to much of reality of Heaven....But Pastors an Preachers talks much about Hell...Is Hell real Or its just rumors nor philosophy of men....Somebody had to tell the truth.
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True example as you have created the meaning of hell by saying personally!
That is what many have done including King James they personally have attached their own view of what hell is.
If you were Jewish the word would be Hades, Sheol . (Grave)
I'm sure the Jews who survived the Holocaust will tell you they've seen hell firsthand. Anyone who has suffered years in slavery might call that hell. Someone who was repeatedly tortured, fingers removed, raped, beaten over and over call that hell
Very interesting how people interpet the word hell.
Notice if we lived during this time period what would that word mean, how was it used. The word “hell” thus originally conveyed no thought of heat or torment but simply of a ‘covered over or concea
The Lake of Fire is the only logical reference to the Hell Fire & will burn up the unrepentent unbelievers immediately... no long drawn out torture- wrong god!
That is what people are confuses on what a tradition of belief that make produce Doctrins of men.
People are confusing the English dialect of words to mean something that is not the case at all.
We all have fallen victim to this.
techygran, Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is (death); but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Death is a far cry from a "lake of fire". Hell is man made.
Very true dashingscorpio !
Reference Bible Ec 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.
To Bruce there is no pastor , there is no church. Shall the blind keep leading the blind with wrong information .If you want to know anything about JW go to jworg. There is where your answers will be.
Then you can judge for yourself.
To Divine notice what the King James Version says at Job 14:13
O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
Here he admits grave.
Kiss and Tales, have you ever been tested for a mental disorder? Most of what you write here is not related or comprehensible. You pull verses out from nowhere and try to make them fit. I wish you could see how foolish you sound.
To Bruce all the earthy education in the world means little if it can not give you a future past this earth now .If it can not connect to the one that gave you life in the first place and keep existing. Then that as apostle Paul called it refuse.
Reference Bible Ro 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.
Death is the punishment of sin. People who have died have paid their sins
That is why the resurrection will happen.
Great observance getitriite .to add that is why scriptures says not the end of your case. !
Reference Bible Joh 5:29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.
Why are you referencing bible verses?
To getitriite Why not reference bible verses for it is God's words that are speaking. That is what is important .
Until you can show evidence of a God...and that He wrote a book, your view is purely an indoctrinated perception...based not in logic, but blind faith. Just as there is no evidence for Heaven or Hell-there is no evidence for a God either. Think!
To getit you can not speak for other people's experience because you have not seen ,nor can you understand, no different then a person who knows a language not of your kind. So you can continue your belief while others have lived their own experience
Experiences do not equal reality. I speak of the logic of our reality. Religions are based in MAGIC. There is no evidence of magic in reality. Objective analysis of your experiences suggest simply a confirmation bias, due precisely to indoctrination
Yes experience does if you experience child birth and have a child that is reality, so is the reality that we are humans and exist from the dust . Dust you are and dust you return is real.this is true.
There is no magic connected to the Father.
Childbirth is an experience based in reality, not like the experiences prompted from religious indoctrination, which are baseless and nonsensical. Yes we are made of dust....STARDUST!
There is no evidence for the existence of the father or magic. No
To getit the Heavenly Father exist just as you do ,I have never seen you either ,but all I have is words on this post that say you exist , I have words in the bible, I have the stars , the moon , galaxies of planets I even have fellow humans . Proof
Because the wages of sin is death. When you die your sins have been all paid.That is why Jesus went through death to pay for many that may not taste death at all. He has covered many like an insurance policy.
Re 20:14 Death was thrown in a lake of f
Thanks Nigham for your answer...Yet some still not believing cause of the evident...!
To Bruce it is clear you have a problem understanding what I post. You are not the first nor will you be the last. But what I post is mainly as you say bible scriptures.i did not write. You have a complaint with the Author not me.
I was born after.
Kiss, I must laugh because you THINK you understand the Bible, but you are just picking out verses that sound good to you. I have had formal training in theology and the Bible. What theological education do you have?
Bible Php 3:8 , I do indeed also consider all things to be loss on account of the excelling value of the knowledge of Christ Jesus On account of him I have taken the loss of all things and I consider them as a lot of refuse, that I may gain Christ
Like I thought. You're just spouting Bible verses because some pastor told you you should.
covered over or concealed place.’ In the old English dialect the expression “helling potatoes” meant, not to roast them, but simply to place the potatoes in the ground or in a cellar. That was what hell definition was in old English dialect.
Reference Bible Joh 5:29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. This shows us the good and bad will be resurrected.
But the bad will be judge by new scrolls
Why resurrect the evil people?, they had their chance & blew it..It's just that to me an evil person is an empty bag of skin, & so there is nothing inside to judge or to resurrect. :-)
ones are resurrected according to a judgment based on how they will do on the new laws or scrolls open then that will be open for they have already paid for their sins when they died.
Also true about sin but we can not read the heart.
From birth were all playing roles/characters, given to us & directed by god/universe..There's a very good reason for that, but the point of life is to step out of our role & find our self..An evil person never steps out, & so there is no
To BradM if you new more about what you were stoning, you would know that the Old Testament was a tutor. Like training wheels on a bike. It was to foreshadow great things ahead in the future.
The New Testament was the fulfillment he had arrived!
The bible talks about the earth it exist we live on it now.
The heaven is not just not one part but it covers all areas inhabit by the moon and stars and other planets. Do they exist ? Yes!
People choosing not to believe .that does not mean truth.
Not that you even understand this (or are able to), but your statement is totally illogical. Just because something that we know exists is mentioned in an ancient book does not mean that EVERYTHING in the book exists. This would be true for ANY book.
To Bruce the Earth and heavens exist which heavens are filled with the illumaries of stars and moons also the Milky Way . These are the heavens .
We see this with our eyes .but we are not able to see spirit creatures who are like the air not visible
Yes heaven is a upward location and exist we can even view the stars ,moon and planet,
The problem is that Hell in the original terms is not hell of fire. It is defined in Hebrew and Greek as Sheol,hades, which means the grave.
Truth is you're happy, you feel you are in heaven, you feel unhappy (and other synonyms) you feel like you're in hell.
I find that people relate the two words in a positive and negative way based on tradition,
But the truth is hell is a persons grave. Look into your Hebrew and Greek words of definition.
Certainly the early Jewish Christians did not have this belief.
Why do you believe that?
The evidence is the words. Hell in the original Hebrew and Greek means hades and Sheol , not hell fire , hades and Sheol means a persons grave.
Like Job ask to go to hell because of his misery.he was God's faithful servant tested by satan. Job 2:3
I believe it because it is in the bible.
neither did it come up into my heart to do this detestable thing, for the purpose of making Judah sin.’
This scripture proves God does not burn anyone including children. It never came up in his heart,
King James gave the translators instructions under his influence to reflect the Church of England as ecclesiology and episcopal.
This now becomes bias under his influence.
The words he has used and being bias are words like hell fire.
Look up others
Divine, your difficulty lies in your false assumption that the Bible is "the breath of God." When you realize that the Bible is just another religious book written by men, then this issue will not confuse you.
To Bruce the thought you are asking others to believe is that God does not give men honor in spreading his words or messages.
Nonsense. Even people pay people to be secretaries to write memos and thoughts of their Bosses. Is that so hard to believe.
@Bruce the is no substitute of the word of God....God is the creator and the author of our faith....Believing its easy, its matter of choice to whom do you believe.@ Kiss and Tales thanks there..!
You are very much welcome ! Thank you for your question Divine.
And if you knew the Bible better you'd know that it does not teach a fiery place of torment where people burn forever. The average preacher does not even know that. The doctrine of Hell is a blot on Christianity.
Okay You will find out one day my son.
Ah, Christ's love in action! "You'll find out one day as you burn forever you little sinner!" JF, I don't fear Hell. The New Testament language (Greek) does not support the idea of everlasting torture as you claim. Knowledge defeats fear.
Death was thrown in the lake of fire is symbolic .gone
Reference Bible Re 21:4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
Well Bruce, you do have some common sense about this Christaian Hell Fire. It's all "tradition" - it is not of God!
Is this the first thing we've ever agreed on? Hmm... :)
Bible Jer 32:35 they built the high places of Baʹal that are in the valley of the son of Hinʹnom, in order to make their sons and their daughters pass through [the fire] to Moʹlech, a thing that I did not command them, neither did it come up in my .
Do you have anything newer than a 2000 year old book of fiction to cite?
The writers of these stories are long dead and that is why there is nothing new.
If the Old Testament was a work of God, then why did we need a New Testament without God.
That book that you look down on is living ,it is the only book that told the past and present as we speak.
Example why people die ! ,is that old ,Will death end ,Yes! Will the earth keep standing yes! No other book will last as long to prove it.