Like many ancient religions modern scientists regard their methods to be infallible. Is this the right attitude?
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You're right, that's the beauty of science- what is true today may be obsolete tomorrow?, Yes, because science is dynamic, not static, but the point here is what make science unscientific-Check scientific methods ?
I think this is one of the "fallible bits": the impermanence and errors. Things like Thalidomide, Atomic Energy, Industry etc have caused huge damage to humanity but we still get scientists saying they can fix it.
One of the "fallible bits" that Hawking agrees with is the Incompleteness Theorem of Kurt Godel which proves science can never answer all questions. It can only shed some light on a limited amount of infinite questions.
That may be true, but the 'light' that it can shed is considerable and should not simply be dismissed by religious persons who 'believe' something different. Not using our brains is an insult to God, also.
Oz mentioned the Incompleteness Theorem vis-à-vis science. Actually, the theorem applies only to mathematics. Although mathematics is very useful in the physical sciences, mathematics is a different breed of cat.
what about tried and tested, proven and true?
The scientific method is "sound" but is it infallible? The general consensus here is no.
Oztinato, I have yet to see anyone but you say that science believes itself (I guess) to be infallible. Where has anyone in Science ever said that? Has 'science' proven something that you simply cannot accept with regards to your religion?
it is strongly implied in hubs to be the case. Even here we see statements implying infallibility if it wasn't for human error. Shades of HAL.
I would be careful when using Hubs to represent communities outside of this website, especially academics. HubPages is full of biased, uninformed nonsense. Not exclusively of course :)
Oz. This is like saying a hammer is fallible. If you use a hammer correctly you can nail a fence. If you use it incorrectly you can hurt your hand or worse & on its own you can't build a house. The scientific method is similar....
I have to disagree as scientists are making a lot of claims about their scientific tools that are infinitely more complex than a basic hammer. We are being asked to have faith in science as a panacea for all ills.
Science has done more for civilization in the past 150 years than everything that came before it.
We are agreeing that science is if course fallible. We now need to identify what aspects are the " fallible bits "
Oz expressed an interest in the "fallible bits." Here's one: Black Holes. The BH hypothesis is based upon earlier work in Relativity,. However, aside from numerous BH CANDIDATES, there's little PHYSICAL evidence that these beasties actually exist.
this shows fallibility of conjecture based on theories, not of the experimental scientific method.
Can we at least agree that keyboards are not infallible?
Have you seen 2001:A Space Odyssey? We now have AI tech ready to apply the scientific method for us but we have leading scientists saying this will end human civilisation! So what went wrong with the scientific method?
Do Cylons dream?
Hello, Oz. Dr Jennifer Marohasy has begun to use off-the-shelf AI software for seasonal weather forecasting in Queensland, Australia. This will end human civilization because . . . Or were you concerned about some other application of AI?
I can only refer you to Stephen Hawking etc for their views on the infallibility of science re advanced AI.
AI is probably an inevitable step in our evolution :)
Good theory, until proven to be true? various predictions about the end of the world have been made, but we are still here! The word "Scientific Methods" per see is inanimate, but once you factor in humans it come to life, the quest for truth?
There is always going to be a distinguishable difference between scientists and religion. Here is the thing though all of the science in the Bible is true even though it is certainly not a science book. Great hub Oz!
All of the science in the bible is true? That is an untrue statement - just 1 link: http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2010/08/... Do your research, don't just 'accept' what you have been taught.
I agree with you for the most part until the end. You make the same false argument for man-caused global warming by adding the environment to the mix. One can be a skeptic of climate change and still protect our environment. AGW science is flawed.
That is good to hear, Jack. I've met people who throw absolutely everything away without even sort of trying to recycle it - because they are 'fed up' with global warming 'lies'. "WE did not cause this situation." It is like they take it personally.
So we agree that science is fallible. Religion is s different question for a different topic. This question is about science only
Yes I completely agree.
Dark matter is real ? Many people including scientists think it is a figment of scientists imagination.
integrater: It is an unknown part of the Universe, hence the name "dark matter". Nobody knows what it is, but we do know that it is there.
@ Mridul .
No we don't. Dark matter is hypothetical .
Yes it is hypothetical. Like I said, what we know is that we don't know. We know that matter and energy inhabits only 5% of the Universe. Rest is speculation.
Yes, you have your point, but talking of scientific method as one comment says its a "good tool" what makes it bad is the way we use the scientific method that makes science unscientific? Check the "bits and pieces" of scientific method.
We are a type of primate that evolved over tens of thousands of years. As for the rest, its part of the formation of life. You make it sound like scientists keep offering a new story. The core remains the same, new facets continued to be discovered.