Do you believe that children are behaving much worse in public schools because t

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   gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

   Do you believe that children are behaving much worse in public schools because teachers AREN'T
   
   allowed to use corporal punishment in the classroom?  Do you further contend that corporal punishment was a VERY STRONG deterrent to keep children behaved in classrooms in the past? Do you feel that corporal punishment should be brought back to public schools?
   
   

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   dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

   
   
   I believe the problem starts in the home!
   Back during my childhood era kids were taught to respect adults.
   You greeted every adult with the words Mister, Miss, Mrs. and parents, teachers, school administrators were all on the same team.
   If you got into trouble at school you knew were in trouble at home.
   However all of that started to change when the 'baby boomers" became parents. There were much more relaxed and less strict with their children. Many chose to befriend their kids over parenting them.
   It became very popular to introduce a 5 year old to adult by having them call the adult by their first name instead of using the automatic buffer of respect (Mr. Miss, or Mrs.) If something went down at school the parent automatically took their child's side of the story. Lawsuits were filed in cases of corporal punishment and even in times with various other forms of punishment. The unity of parents, teachers, and administrators ended.
   I don't believe bringing back corporal punishment will resolve the issues. The change really has to begin with parenting.
   The only power the school system has is expulsion of students who refuse to behave.
   Schools which are respected where parents are on a waiting list to get their kids in them don't put up with the same crap that public schools put up with. If parents make their child's education a priority they will bend over backwards to keep them in line.
   The role of a teacher is to educate children not to raise them.
   Having parents belittle teachers in front of kids just empowers those kids to behave as they please. They know their parents will attack.
   Schools should not be (forced) to accept children who have behavioral problems and aren't ready to learn.
   Again it's the parent who set the child's priorities.
   A lot of parents view school as a "free daycare" service.

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Many of these "children" are out of control.  Their parents won't discipline them. Many are born into poor homes where the parents have far too many children to give them attention. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE- these little hooligans are disruptive!!!

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      dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's why I say permanent expulsion is probably the best tool. Maybe have a 3 strikes rule.
      A school should not be forced to accept unruly children.

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      They SHOULDN'T but public schools unforturnately have to accept the rabble.  If you watch videos of such unruly children, it really sickens one. It's the poor children who are oftentimes unruly. Just watch the youtube videos on public schools.

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.  Schools get money for each kid who attends and that is the reason they are big on attendance.  The bad thing is, no expulsion is permanent, and the kid will always be given another chance.  School should be a privilege, not a right.

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   LoliHeyposted 8 years ago

   I think that nowadays, if they brought corporal punishment back, it would not work.  The reason for that is because these kids would just hit you back.
   I think it was a strong deterrent in the past because the parents did it.  Kids feared their parents as well as loved them.  If you got your butt spanked after doing something wrong, you thought twice about doing it again.  Nowadays people think talking with their children will work all of the time, when it doesn't.  It goes in one ear and out the other.  Kids are not afraid of anybody, and they know no one can do anything to them.  Parents can't discipline them, and definitely not teachers.  So what parents need to do is tighten the reigns in on their children (in future generations) and put the fear of God back into them.  Today's kids are so entitled it's disgusting and maddening.

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   Aime Fposted 8 years ago

   No. 
   
   My child would not be going to school if people were allowed to lay a hand on her.  The second that was allowed to happen would be the second I started homeschooling her. 
   
   I have no interest in raising my daughter to fear me or anyone else for that matter.  You can teach respect without fear.  The only thing I was ever afraid of when it came to my parents was disappointing them.  I never feared my punishment, I was only sad that they needed to punish me in the first place.  And my punishment never, ever, not once involved anything physical.
   
   As a child, I respected my teachers.  As an adult, I respect my bosses.  I was taught respect and boundaries and how to behave like an empathetic and kind human being because my parents were respectful, empathetic and kind towards me. 
   
   There have been SO many studies done showing the negative effects of physical punishment that I honestly find it hard to grasp that people still don't quite *get* it.  It's that superficial, external motivation that often fails in the long run, even if it seems to be working short-term.  You'll have much more luck creating well-behaved children and respectful adults if you teach them to listen and respect people because it's the right thing to do and because they WANT to instead of just trying to "put the fear of God" in them.
   
   I think, to be perfectly frank, that a lot of parents are just too freaking lazy to put in the effort.  They don't want to bother communicating, they don't want to bother thinking about ways to discipline their kids without smacking them.  And now that (thankfully) smacking your kids has become frowned upon, they just...don't do anything.  They don't try to figure out the alternatives. 
   
   There is a WIDE, WIDE range of consequences between hitting a child and doing nothing.  People would do well to try to think of what those are.

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