Why don't we implement duel education to fix our broken system of public educati

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   thatsprettygoodposted 7 years ago

   Why don't we implement duel education to fix our broken system of public education?
   
   We would actually spend less money training students in a vocational and college bound setting.  Dual education has worked in many countries and is one of the reasons why Americas educational system falters when compared to countries like Japan(who have dual education). Why do we spend billions on state and federal testing when we could invest that money in giving children the proper skill sets to find employment post HIGH SCHOOL graduation? With a 75% HS graduation rate, our country boast a lousy 29% post education rate (4 year degree or better).  It's absurd given the money we spend.
   
   

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   WiccanSageposted 7 years ago

   I think the public education system is not going to improve, not for a lack of funding but because it's such a huge government institution that's so out of control with spending and red tape.
   
   Honestly I think the best thing that could possibly be done is get rid of the federal Board of Ed and let public ed. go back to local control. I'd also love to see vouchers and school choice. For teens, I would like to see dual enrollment open up in more places (they have it in my city) as well as more trade programs and internship options for teens-- unfortunately a lot of teens who struggled to get through high school are shuffled into community and city colleges on financial aid and student loans, despite the fact that they're not academically inclined. It would be better if they learned marketable skills and gained valuable work experience.
   
   There are so many great ways education could take these days, imagine how innovated local communities could get if they could work with their allotment of the resources directly. But it's not going to happen as long as the federal Board of Ed is mucking everything up. Big government programs are wasteful & sucky & inadequate.

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      thatsprettygoodposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think what strikes me as odd is how much either party complains about the educational system as a whole.  Yet, federal funding makes up such a minority of the funding theses ISDs receive.  The actual states have more power and do nothing but gripe.

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   Yossarian22posted 7 years ago

   Check your question. You actually said "duel" - like in count off ten paces, turn and shoot. Hilarious!

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      thatsprettygoodposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I mean, that's another way to fix it.... lol TY i'll fix my error right away

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      Yossarian22posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, the spelling just struck me as funny as I pictured all the little school kids 'dueling'.

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   Setank Setunkposted 7 years ago

   Dual education is a very good idea. It has been implemented in many States and localities. The problem is government. A very modern vocational program was instituted in my district many years ago. Funding was local but too much money was wasted on new buildings and equipment and the 'idea' of vocational training. Funding fell short of maintaining the program and it was shut down after 3 years.
   This is typical of government. It's like a giant ever expanding leper colony that spreads disease and dysfunction to everything it touches.

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      thatsprettygoodposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      States have majority rule over the educational system.  Seems no matter the party, there is this push for 'no kid left behind' and 'general education for all.  Problem is not everyone is meant for college and we leave the gifted behind.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 7 years ago

   Why don't we do this?
   1. Colleges are making too much money off of people pushed to go to college, everyone has to go to college mantra, in order for there to be a shift to vocational training in high school or a year after graduation.
   2. Liberals want to think that IQ is a social construct (along with gender but ironically not race). They don't want to admit that half the population is below average, so they say EVERYONE is capable of college level work. So many people go to college who don't have the intellectual capacity to finish a valuable degree and drop out part way, and many take useless liberal arts degrees like social justice and become aggrieved activists.
   3. Liberals say they support the working man, but they consider the skilled trades as inferior to office jobs. They say we should get rid of all the hard physical work because they assume no one wants to do it, and they demean those who do such work. Hence the elevation of bloggers to high status while those doing the dirty jobs building buildings and maintaining infrastructure are mocked. And you see people think it better for their child to work in McDonalds than make twice as much as a plumber or electrician to start.
   4. Many people simply don't know how well the skilled trades / blue collar jobs pay, two to four times minimum wage to start. If people knew they could train for those jobs in a year and work for much more than college grads at Starbucks, they'd go for those jobs. In the case of aviation mechanics and some skilled assembly work, you can get paid to be trained in return for a commitment to work for the employer.   
   5. Career days don't include these positions and are dominated by professionals. Career days often have doctors, lawyers, nurses, prestigious positions the school welcomes. Say you own a restaurant or IT firm, principle welcomes you. Say you're a plumber, electrician, handyman, school dismisses you outright or says that's not the example they want for the children. It is barely above saying your job is stay at home mother.

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      thatsprettygoodposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You are aware that No Child left behind is a Republican based policy?  You are also aware that curriculum is developed at a state level, and red states test just as much and in some cases more than blue?  It's not a liberal thing.

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      Setank Setunkposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      NCLB is just the newest name for the continuation of Federal involvement in education through the ESEA from 1965. NCLB was intented to restore some choice but the education system itself is monopolized by Liberals. Now we see Common Core.

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