I don't want anyone getting into religious disagreements over this question. I am just curious how other people feel. Personally I believe in evolution.
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Greg - Thank you.
Val, My Friend. As you have entered G's trap of "Non-Sensicle Questions asked to illicate answers for my own personal boredom alleviating reality", I too- forthwith put my foot forward towards my pie hole, and proclaim-You are All just figments of?
Go ahead and say it!
You know who "of?"
Your apparent need to rely on continuous quotes from a humanistic collage of stories, and the tirades that are directed at your dissenters- make for sad conversation! I therefore bid you adieu and welcome your parting flames of wrath with full relief
Blessings (Luke 6:28)!
What is the cause of the air you breathe? Surely that isn't evolution that created you through mitosis and meiosis, and has caused you to breathe life. I'm convinced that "Man will become too wise for themselves". I believe in creation.
There could be peace in the midst of war and war in the midst of peace. Peace and chaos is only a state of mind. But the escalating global disputes has long been foretold and is now slowly being fulfilled. Through seeking, one can find an answer.
We can't really know 'what's right' but we can see 'what's wrong'. For instance as mentioned above, 'global dispustes' have 'long been foretold' - for centuries; and WHEN was J supposed to return, originally? There is no TEST God gives. Just LIVE.
You passed THE TEST @ one time! You believed w/ALL your heart & HE gave you a "gift!" Tell me u didn't believe when "gift" was given? U DID! HE saw ur heart (then) & gave so u passed THE TEST! Now you're showing appreciation! ha!
Cath, because nobody really knows the exact truth for now, so the best option indeed is to just Live. However, we are accountable for our actions & how we live our life echoes eternally so please choose the path your heart truly believe w/out reg
"We" are NOT accountable..." IF we do as "commanded" & "WAIT" (Acts 1:4) for HIS "leadership & guidance" (Jn14:26), HE (Holy Spirit) does EVERYTHING!
No one has taught TRUTH! We don't "DO," Holy Spirit "DOES" all we do is BELIEVE & hav
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Your tone says it all & you're right - its a common story. Many deconverting C's embrace atheism with a passion bcuz it is such a relief. I hung out there for a while, too. But I was too curious not to dig further bcuz I hate the great human divi
:) It was actually the other way round. I believed in God for about 45 years, 10 years of which were spent as a fundamentalist Christian. You're confusing atheism with secularism. You were never an atheist.
My husband is in the same boat. He was a devout Christian in his youth and his mentor encouraged him to read the Bible more. So he decided to read the whole Bible, cover to cover. By the end of it he had given up his belief
Hey you think if there is not God and God didn't create any thing then who created you ,your mam or your dad
If your mam and dad were not there whom will born you and how you come to this world .You say something that is full of nonsense
Since they can't "figure it out" they've succumbed to secular belief.
Abdul, several people here have said they don't know the abdsolute truth and none of us can. They are the honest ones. One person has said it doesn't matter. Doubly honest. But keeping the mind open with love - that is much more important.
"Then I beheld all the work of God,that a man can't find...because though a man seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea farther;though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it" (Ecc8:17)!
My 7th grade science teacher was a devout Christian, and he taught evolution as a part of God's creation. It didn't occur to him, from the Christian standpoint, that the world was only 6 days' old.
Let's not get caught up in the 6 days of creation... A day is defined in modern times as the time the earth makes a complete turn on its axis. Before God created heaven and earth, what is a day? We know with the Einstein's theory of relativity...
I'm not, Jack. I don't believe in the 6 days of creation (creationism) and I was stating that my teacher didn't either.
You are missing my point. People reject creationism because they think it is impossible to create the world in 6 literal days. The science say time and space is relative. In the beginning, there was no "day" to speak of. The story was just that...
The problem with creationism doesn't have that much to do with the days actually... We all know it's more or less symbolism in stories. The problem is people want to place it on the same level as science. I'm ok with what you believe in private...
You have indeed made an excellent point.
I agree, evolution is not a religion. Creation is from the religions.
Alan has a very good view of history. Why is this comment hidden because of "negative feedback". Is negative narrow-mindedness the norm on HP nowadays?
Honest & direct often gets dinged for being 'offensive'. The only way anyone believes in a diehard '6-day' creation story is if they still have blinders on. Many Christians & other religious folks do accept the scientific reasoning on this is
The 6 days of creation is not literal. When the solar system has not been created on that first day, how do you explain to people what happened? That fist day according to some scientists could be 1 million of our years. Read- The science of God.
Just because you use science in the title of the book doesn't make that nonsense scientific. Only in the US I guess.
The existence of 'God' has already been proven, scientifically & otherwise; & Quantum Mechanics is advancing on 'creation'. Everyone should read the opposite of what they believe. It may be the difference between ignorance & cherry-picked
Dr. Scheroder is a physicist. There are plenty of scientist that belief in God. The creation story in the Bible could be compared to a children version of explaining the universe. It is not literal. The basic concept is there and serve its purpose.
Jack Lee, you are far more advanced than MOST in Spirituality!
I'm not asking what his profession is (false argument from authority), I'm talking about the methodology used to get to conclusions that can hardly be called scientific. Leading it were he wants it to go, fitting the frame...
"Spiritual" is THE "method!"
'Similar' to what the world calls "telekinesis" but BETTER for IT is the POWER of GOD!
Even if you kick dogs and cats it's hard for them to establish god figures to bow down to. It is possible gods were there literally mingling and tyrannizing them but you and I cant prove it. Perhaps it would help to ask some conspiracy experts.
"Afraid?" Why would one be "afraid" when they KNOW they are "connected" to the HOLY SPIRIT?
Those who "proclaim" Christianity may be "afraid," but those who have "obeyed" believe "To be absent from the body, is to be present w/GOD" (2Cor5:8)!
Those who are secure in their faith do not shout their prayers from the street corners like the pharisees
Really? Ever heard "Teach ALL nations"(Matt28:19); "Will be preached" (Matt24:14); Jesus preached KoH (Matt4:17;Mk1:14)? Plus MORE!
You have Scripture "twisted!"
O.k. So, what made the big bang? How did it occur? You must believe in magic. Even a dollar bill came from a tree, (paper). The chaos theory doesn't work. Try it in a sealed jar with nothing alive and wait for the big bang.
I don't believe in the Big Bang theory either. But that actually had nothing to do with evolution here on Earth.
The kind of examples here are laughable if not blasphemous to science. Equating a sealed jar to big bang, that's beyond comprehension!
Fact Check: Big bang is more to do with origin of universe than evolution of life on earth. Darwinism is seperate
Thank you Ashutosh.
Keep "searching" ("wasting time") as did all other man kind (Your forefathers)!
Shouldn't "history" speak for itself?
They still don't "KNOW" & will NEVER be able to "figure GOD out" (Ecc 8:17)!
Norine that was a repeated comment seems like you are running out of verses.
Without quoting a verse, can you plz explain creation and existence of god??
"Supernatural experiences" that one can ONLY acquire by BELIEVING! Just this week I went to Dr "bone spur;" couldn't walk; prayed; NEXT DAY; walked! Stage IV cancer;11/15;6mos to live; prayed; pathology report; NO CANCER+++!
Enough for me!
Strawman arguments indeed. You reduce a theory to something absurd and then put it down as if you had an argument against the theory... Don't expect actual science from religious zealots...
Call it what you wish but I have MEDICAL EVIDENCE!
Call it what you wish but I have "medical evidence" that will stand in any court of law!
What "evidence" do you have for your theory?
Why do we even need all these medicines, modern tech, if such healers can make disease(even terminal illness) disappear by a mere touch and chant...
Damn!! Ignorance to extremes
Why did JESUS use "mud" to make a blind man see? But he saw didn't he?
I dont believe in folklores, they are as mythical as the creation theory. Again I dont have anything against your faith but you tryna impose it on others is really apalling!
We all have a "choice," don't we?
It is funny that you talk about choice Nornie. You are the one who is trying to force people to believe what you believe even if it makes not sense. If God exists then he gave us this brain to think for ourselves and not for denying science.
She is blinded by faith, that's all I can say.
"Then I saw all the work of God, that man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. However much man may toil in seeking, he will not find it out. Even though a wise man claims to know, he cannot find it out (Ecc8:17)!
Norine is right. This kind of thing cannot be searched by man. It only comes out of revelation or divine intervention and only to the one being acted upon by the divine being. But there is a universal day of revelation for all of this as per Bible.
"Revelation" or Divine intervention!"
Does the theory of evolution teaches you to become wise? The holy book does. And it is not wise for you to dispense the possibility of myths or supernatural for what are you going to do if that day comes? It is better to be wise than intelligent.
It is MUCH more desireable for God when we use the tools he gave us (like the brain) to assess our world and the people in it - than believe in a manmade book written to unite masses of pagan religions in FEAR a couple thousand years ago, now.
Why do so MANY believe there is a GOD but believes HE LIES, or DEAD or "that's the way HE did IT back then?"
If one believes HE is ALMIGHTY, why do you think that SAME SPIRIT can't "lead & guide us" into LIES men have written in that book?
1) Why would you want to be led or guided by a book of lies written by men? 2) God neither lies nor is dead. Only human souls housed in physical bodies do both of those things. 3) God doesn't need to 'trick' or 'test' anyone into believing in him.
U miss the point! HIS SPIRIT "leads & guides;"not a book! The book is ONLY our "Schoolmaster" or "Foundation" to BELIEF in HIM "then" after HE "sees" one's "pure heart" HE enters & "lead & guide" into ALL truth!" NO MORE "BIBLE"(Jer31:33-
His spirit only leads & guides through a proven-manipulated text? Hogwash. You quote scriptures incessantly - you BELIEVE in your interpretations; and would have no faith in God without them. That alone puts your mind in a paper prison. Spirit is
Did U HEAR? "NO MORE BIBLE!"Jer 31:34 "No man will have to teach another" after THE SPIRIT "connects" w/us & HE will "guide" in ALL things not only what's in the book!
"Dream dreams/Daughters prophecy?"
Lk17:21 is how "ur msg" started!U blv so
God makes one a Christian, another Moslem, another Hindu, another an atheist. Just as he made one a heart, another a brain, another a liver. All of us are separated but connected. There is much to be learned from the unparalleled wisdom of God.
bdn You have said some true things up until you said God made us Hindu, christian, Muslims, No ! He leaves that up to us. We chose because he tells us to chose life. If he chose all our choices then no one would die in the future of Armageddon.
K&T is RIGHT! READ II Kgs 17:29-41!
GOD wants ALL the GLORY (Isaiah 48:11) for HE is a JEALOUS GOD (Exd 20:3)!
Vs 12 say "I AM he; I AM the first, I AM the last" (See Jehovah K&T?) & HE SAID the SAME THING in Rev1:8;11; "I AM alpha &
K&T, nobody has the right to claim to be right even God and Devil. One can only defend his belief and try to influence or challenge others in the process. The sad thing is only God completely understand his stand. Same goes for us & the devi
bdn then this applies definitely to you ! God is always right.
Ro 3:4Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be
proved righteous in your words and might win .
"GOD (aka WORD) is not man that HE should LIE; neither the son of man, that HE should repent: hath HE said, & shall HE not do it? or hath HE spoken, and shall HE not make it good" (Numbers 23:19)?
K&T/Norine, These are words relayed from God thru called Men. How am I supposed to deal with men who merely echoed what is being told them and not speak their own thoughts? In this case, evolutionists are better because they worked it and earned
Catherine, I agree with you for the most part. There is a third possibility that ID not of human or divine origin could also be an explanation for what we see today. that is behind the Ancient Alien theory. It is not Christians that picked this fight
Ah yes, the aliens - they are not coming, ha! I actually address that issue at the end of my loooong hub about this. Alien conspiracy theories (& others) have been as harmful as 'salvation' has been for Christianity. Just another spiritual divers
I am with you on this but from a scientific point of view, this theory of an advanced civilization coming here and modified/created DNA makes more sense to me than the theory of evolution. It shows that life as we know it has some intelligence behind
Maybe, but why does that 'intelligence' have to be alien and/or from another planet? Humans have incredible imaginations; and have been more technically advanced before now - but never so spiritually advanced. When balance happens we will thrive. :)
Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book even to the TIME OF THE END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
THE TIME IS NIGH!
I also believe in both. I think God could have spoken the universe into existence or done it a step at a time. One option doesn't make me eliminate the other. He did it - however he did it. No less a miracle.
You forgot "HE "rested" HIS case (Genesis 2:2-3)!
IT WAS FINISHED!
HE gave "dominion" to man to mess it up (Genesis 1:26)!
Why do you think YOU'LL find the answer when man has tried for 2K+ years & unanswered? What other book has as many fulfilled prophecies as the Bible?Ecc8:17 [paraphrasing] "Man will continue to seek but will NEVER find out!"
Why is it so hard to understand that none of us qualifies to know exactly the truth? The world and all its affairs and confusions exist only to serve the Lord our God who will in time reveal Himself to us. To be a saint is to have faith and patience
This is my biggest problem with Christians... The bible supposedly will tell us EVERYTHING we need to know: WHY THINK? Why look outside of it? Why believe brutal ancient priests under heavy influence of power-hungry, pagan rulers? Balance & Resea
Why do we need to "think" when HE does it BETTER (Prov 3:5)?
Who would I rather "TRUST," me, you, man or THE CREATOR? What man hasn't LIED to u? What man has more knowledge? What man can do ANYTHING but FAIL?
GOD v man? Simple!
Cath, the Bible is not supposed to teach everything to all. In fact u r good to go without it. The Bible is a reserved Book for very few people handpicked by God. To some He gave herbs and grass to eat but the Bible is the pinnacle of Gods food 4 man
The point is; once you've acquired the "Communication Line" to HIM (aka Holy Spirit) HE "leads & guides" & we don't need Bible (Jer 31:34) but remembers what IT (aka HE/WORD) SAYS (Jn14:26"bring all thgs to ur remembrance")!
True Norine, but when universe perishes, God's Bible remains because it is the Word of God and applies to all generations eternally. It is the Holy Grail of existence, multidimensional in meaning and w/ Christ, is the bearer and authority of God.
"I believe wholly that every living thing has this consciousness inside it." Amen!
READ Romans 1:18-25!
"God is a spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Amen. When a person is dead in a casket is their spirit present in their flesh? That is a rhetorical question to consider concerning God being ominpresent.
The Kingdom of God is both within us and outside of us - there is NOTHING that is not 'spirit' - even a glass, molecules, atoms - and would include a dead body. The difference is whether 'consciousness' is present or not. Matter is made of energy.
Have you ever had a "guilty conscience" for wrong doing? Our "conscience" CONDEMNS our sin (Heb10:1-2)! But "in Christ, (v10) "But we are SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL!"
CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL!
Each to his own... Although the idea's quaint in view of established fact
Actually, Quantum Physics is 'prooving' more everyday that there is 'intelligence' behind our world; and that WE create our own reality. However you want to think of 'God' - it exists with science to back it up. Atheists & Creationists R both wro
As long as you don't believe that quantum theory and physics is the kind of rubbish like in what the bleep do we know...
What the bleep do we know is pretty old; and I would say that it was a beginning. You have a problem with what quantum physics is digging up?
GOD is LAUGHING @ man & his QM!
"For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS to GOD..." (ICor 3:19)!
I think it takes an intelligent person to recognize the fact that someone created everything around us. Not a bunch of explosions. Where and by whom did the explosions come from? God made everything and I'm not religious, either. Neither a fool
You sure aren't (as far as this question is concerned)!
Explain why there is nothing mentioned in the Bible about cave men or dinosaurs. Or do you believe they didn't exist?
"The flood!" But fossils exist!
The Bible is not about "creation" but the coming of Christ to "reconcile" us back to THE SPIRIT!
Jn21:25"There r also MANY OTHER THINGS which JESUS (aka GOD) did, if they'd be written every 1 NO BOOK could contain
But according to the Bible "in the beginning" life started at the beginning of the bible when 'God' "created" Adam and Eve. Explain that. That didn't start after the "flood".
Bible is mainly genealogy of Christ! No concern for "cave men & dinosaurs!"
Wouldn't have mentioned "giants" either if DAVID (part of Christ's Genealogy) hadn't slain!
Jn 21:25 "...I suppose that even the world itself couldn't contain the books
Norine, when God created man self conscious, he literally surrendered His right to own him because of the inherent sovereignty of that person. But God knowing things will lead to destruction already prepared the way to redemption because of Love.
Also Bdn according to this scripture De 32:4The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he.
There is no way God the Father is equal to satan in wrongness
True! But THE CREATOR is "JEALOUS" as a husband in a marriage Eph5:31-32! HE doesn't want us worshiping idols (men who say they saw GOD or give instructions that are not in WORD on how to get to GOD), graven images (carvings)! HE will NOT share
God created, then He saw that it was good. It was the weak nature of Human that misinterprets life to be imperfect. It is human to not see through the good things derived out of misfortune because of human's intolerance towards pain and suffering.
No! We're speaking of THE CREATOR who is JEALOUS as a husband!
READ II Kings 17:29-41 to get TRUTH on how GOD feels about different "religions!"
Galatians 1:6-9 speaks to those NOT "happy!"
OK, Norine. Your point or just a comment? Always suspect people or wonder why they are so paranoid about posting a picture with their account. ANY picture. I'm a comedian too by the way. So I like to make ironic statements.
Happy is a relative term
Not "paranoid" but computer illiterate! Barely can write a HUB!
GOD mostly uses ones who world says "ignorant" (ICor1:26)!
Get a Bible and READ Scriptures posted w/comments to understand!
Either you believe Big Bang or GOD (Genesis 1:1) but no in between (I Cor 10:21)!
Gen.1:1 - origin of earth.1 Cor. 10:21 - you and demons can't drink from same cup. No contradiction with big bang, start of universe from which earth followed. I believe God is sovereign even over big bang.
You CANNOT say I believe in "creation" BUT "Likely it was God's will implemented thru Big Bang to start his process..." that's NOT in Scripture (I Cor10:21)!
Is45:9-10; I Sam 2:10!
Its not a contradiction, Norine - many MANY Christians believe in BOTH 4 the same reasons Mona does. Before Darwinism started threatening your literal beliefs, MANY pre-literal (protestant) C's believed story of creation to be a metaphor. Research
I have ALWAYS said the Bible is written in Allegories, metaphors, parables, & illustrations which ONLY "THE SPIRIT" will "reveal" by "leading & guiding us into ALL truth!"
The SPIRIT "moved upon the face of the deep" not a "Big Bang" before
The Bible has had so many people involved in writing, creating and editing it that I would like to know how YOU know who you are quoting. Just curious.
Misfit Norine is a woman not a bro !
That makes one wonder about your education in respects to how to address people this is a negative to your name.
It's OK K&T! I've been called worst! I love everyone no matter what they call me & I take it with a grain of salt because I know how Satan operates!
BTW, I liked your response to this Q & agree whole heartedly!
Who can know the MIND
Who called her bro?
Thanks so much Greg for allowing HIS WORD to be spoken & not "deleted!" We have gotten "off topic!"
You have more respect for HIS WORD than that of MOST "proclaimed" Christians!
And here is the answer exemplifying "Stuff4kids" who are immature in spirit yet wise in worldly knowledge (Rm1:25)!
We have "choice" don't we (Josh24:15)?
GOD vs man!
Yes Norine, we do have choice and it doesn't have to be YOUR choice.
I Cor 10:21 "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."
YES! "Choice" (Josh24:15)!
Again, GOD vs man (Rm1:25)!
If Norine did not exist God did not exist.
I'M HERE; therefore HE EXISTS!
That bit on ...power, control and blame was absolutely spoton.
If technology had to be created, it is logical to think that as complex as the earth, its elaborate systems, intricate creatures, and long-standing sustenance are, life did not happen randomly. Though mocked, brave Christian scientists do speak out.
Looks like that word, 'God' has a bad name. Why not Infinite Intelligence? or The Source? Or even The Creator?
Matthew 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of the KINGDOM shall be preached in ALL the world for a witness unto ALL nations; and then shall THE END COME!"
Norine, what makes you THINK that you have all of the answers just because you can quote from the bible?
*I* don't think *I* know ANYTHING!
"My sufficiency is NOT of "myself* BUT FROM GOD" (IICor3:5)! I'm no diff fm u are ANYONE ELSE! I just "BELIEVE" in HIS PROMISES in HIS WORD & don't "WAIVER!"
It's available to ALL!
I have done great for 70 years believing and trusting in myself.
*YOU* didn't create yourself; nor will you "return" to yourself! What if GOD exists & you die? What do you have to lose by trying HIM? I'm not trying to "convert" you, but remind DEATH IS INEVITABLE and there IS "A CREATOR" (aka GOD)!
Yes, scripture. GREAT comment Blessed! Especially the admission "... don't know yet." Norine gives me a homework assignment to read. I'VE READ IT. MANY TIMES. She's the expert on creation. Well, tell my enormous Lutheran church then, oh wise one.
JESUS told the "enormous" scribes & Pharisees (RELIGION) TRUTH; why can't I?
*I* don't know ANYTHING as MOST can see on HP; BUT I do KNOW this ONE thing Gal 1:12!
AMEN! AMEN! AND AMEN!
What IGNORANT FOOLS!
They KEEP SEARCHING but will "NEVER" KNOW!
Why are some babies born with tails they can actually wag? http://io9.gizmodo.com/5967742/the-science-of-huma...
I first learned of humans with tails in my biology book at a religious-based college in the 1960s. Tell that to the Presbyterians.
Skin only; no bones as animals!
Noreen, you mentioned supernatural experience as your basis for bible belief. Do you believe in only 6 days of creation? My supernatural experience tells me that there is a creator who allows god's creatures to evolve. Can't tell where you stand?
GOD'S "time" is not as our "time" (II Peter 3:8)!
We do "evolve" into HIS likeness!
We MUST "reconcile" to HIM or "suffer consequences!"
When ALL become more "spiritually aware" and STOP "trying to use their five senses," rather their "sixth sense" which is of GOD, they will continue to be DECEIVED!
We ALL need to "connect" to GOD!
Prepare for "reconciliation" (II Cor 5:11-21)!
Simona, I worked in radio for 20 years, including with transmitters and towers. Believe me, satellites exist today and they orbit the earth in its atmosphere, not in space. Sorry your enlightenment was cut short.
Very well said. I would add the statistical odds of having the right combination of amino acids to form life is astronomical. How long will it take for monkeys typing on typewriters to write Shakespeare's Hamlet?
I get James' point and agree, too, but I think that there are two types of evolution beliefs, one without a creator (happenstance) and one with a creator who planned for life to evolve. I believe in the latter. My dad and I differed on that belief.
Nobody learns to ask questions, but it's the teachers who usually stifle inquisitiveness. That's how Germany went the way it did.
I do think there is a big problem with the American education system, where children appear to be taught by rote not by discovery. Evolution is not taught like that elsewhere in the world.
Evolution is indeed taught dishonestly as fact when it is a theory that has continually evolved to suit new discoveries that disprove it, to suit social acceptances, and even political motives.
K&T: Let me tell u something! My cell phone started "alarming" & I didn't set! GOD knew u were up & on HP! HE woke me up to respond to u!
Now that's what I'm talking about! HE SPEAKS DIRECTLY to one! HE "leads & guides" in ALL!
Yes, it is as if you walk on a beach and found a watch. Would you conclude that it evolved over long time? Of course not. You know automatically an intelligent designer created it for a specific purpose. So is with life.
The watchmaker argument really? It's ok you have religion and you use it for values in your life, but please don't spout your pro design nonsense to kids and your surroundings.
Sam, what do you mean nonsense? ID is not nonsense. Anyone who studied biology and science see the beauty and "intelligence" behind life's various organisms. It is blind allegiance to believe life came about by random chance.
Let them keep wasting time as did their forefathers!
Will they EVER learn is the question?
God guides those whom he wills, so we can only pray for the ones in darkness and lets hope for the best :)
just read the reference you mentioned its same as in Quran [28:56] (O Prophet), you cannot grant guidance to whom you please. It is Allah Who guides those whom He will. He knows best who are amenable to guidance.
John 14:26 HE "leads and guides into ALL truth!"
This what I was trying to say. (My first sentence.) Yes, has to start somewhere THEN we evolve. But Norine doesn't get it just as soon as I go anywhere near EVOLVING she starts throwing THE GOOD BOOK at me. SO NORINE I said THE CREATOR THEN EVOLUTION
Hey Dan! Go by my aunt's restaurant in Phoenix "The Golden Rule" & ask for Lizzie White! Call first & ask her to meet u & bring a picture of me! I'm real! I don't LIE! She'll tell u!
Yes CREATION "FIRST" yet "evolution" still "theory!"
GregS. Thats a very good question how do one know through the many translations who are we quoting.Well I would say people need to compare other bibles and their content. I find that most parts of texts say the same thing , but some substitute words
Dan: If you "created" a robot; you can change it's functions but the "initial" robot still there! Do we now grow extra limbs? "Wiser" but "weaker"(ICor1:25)!
K&T: Y worry about "translations" when GOD talks DIRECTLY to one (Jn14:26;Jer31:34)?
Bible consists of Allegories, metaphors, parables, illustrations & is why ALL "MUST" worship in Spirit & in Truth" (Jn4:23-24) or they will be running around like unbelievers reading "the letter" TRYING to "figure It out" creating +denominati
With all that is and has been said it really comes down to believing in one thing. And that one thing to believe in is "yourself" and all that you can be and do. It doesn't really matter how we came about, it is about how we go out. Plain and simple.
"Self" vs GOD?
The world's analogy: "I - I - I can do it ALL" (Rm 1:25) yet still can't "figure out" where we came from!
If you can't believe in yourself you can't believe in anything.
When I was a kid I would fight all the time & mom would tell me "One day you'll meet your match!" I did & you will!
"Self reliance" is NOTHING!
Tune in to the "power" inside ("spiritual awareness")!
It's there! Use wisely!
I feel sorry for you Norine. I don't need someone else telling how I should believe or feel. Obviously you do.
When that "SOMEONE" is "THE CREATOR" It's fine with me!
It wasn't the rocks, it was the amoeba that clung to the rocks. Divide and rule - see where the amoeba went? (Don't look now, but I think they're behind you).
It is unscientific not to consider science. 'God' operates in ways we don't comprehend - intelligence expands with each new life. It is the reason for things like the generation gap: kids R born just a bit more 'awake' than their parents, etc.
Welcome to misfit science."intelligence expands with each new life."Scientifically false,far from any kind of scientific statement.Apples getting smarter?Kids are born more awake?That sounds scientific.lol It's unscientific to rule out God.
Something made the Amoeba. Geeze -- I guess u could wait a million years and have a $1 bill turn into $1,000,000 but where did that first dollar bill come from?
Trees! Created by GOD!
I didn't rule out God, I have both science & God in perspective - can you say that, Bro? We didn't evolve from rocks, we were created 'in his image': God's image is PURE POSITIVE ENERGY, not human. We are a soul w/ a body - not the other way arou
Why is that you only believe the portions of the Bible to justify "your belief?" Luke 17:21 was the beginning of "your message!" Why only certain portions but the rest is pagan?
U don't TRUST HIM enough to believe HE looks @ heart & helps as SA
It cud have been aliens, how can you be so sure it was god?
So far existence of both is a disputed subject.
ONLY to those who DON'T BELIEVE! Why do you think there are so MANY "Christians?" They've encountered "supernatural experiences" based on "BELIEF!" Are there that MANY "Ignorant" people in the world? What r stats of unbelievers v believers? Why hi
Since old times some religions chose expansion & imposition while others stayed put for global dominance. Money pumped in being other influential factor.
Also not believing in other's belief isn't ignorance. Who sets that damn benchmarch?
READ my HUB "Christians Grumbling Arguing & Judging!"
GOD sat the "benchmark!"
If there is "ONE" SPIRIT & Bible is "the inspired WORD of GOD" (IITim3:16) who is JEALOUS (Exd20:3) why are other "RELIGIONS" (Christianity it's a RELIGION) OK?
GOD thinks we're funny; trying to FIGURE HIM OUT & is how 33K+ denominations were "organized" in the USA! lol BUT SAD!
IICor3:19 "For the wisdom of this world is FOOLISHNESS to GOD..."
ICor1:25 "The foolishness of GOD is wiser than men..."
Again, I think this person has the right to enter the discussion. Who are these "negative feedbacks" who keep this comment from being shown? Perhaps Greg needs to screen them for profanity or such?
MizB, I haven't seen anything wrong with any answers or comments. I have only seen the ones that are hid to shorten the line. Nothing wrong as far as I am concerned I am very happy with the answers and comments.to this question. All have been civil.
Evolution is both a fact & a theory bcuz we HAVE confirmed that evolution exists; but we haven't actually seen it in action - so, we are 'filling in some blanks'. For instance, there R no 'between' ape/men creatures. Why not? Its a lingering ques
I'm glad that is so, Greg. On my screen it said that the comments were hidden due to "negative feedback". Maybe that is a computer glitch.
The singularity is just pure fiction which makes for a good movie. It will never happen. AI is no where near achieving the hype they claim. They have been working on it for 50 years. Robots are real and will be a support for humans not a replacement.
Just because we have "a spirit" (which u thk is the plurality of GOD) doesn't mean it's "THE SPIRIT!" One has to obtain the "Mind of Christ" or there wouldn't be those who use theirs ("a spirit") incorrectly e.g. witchcraft, walking on coals, etc!
We are the new humans since the flood. Mankind cannot breed with living offspring as a result with monkeys. We are separate. Scientists want to be smarter than god but they aren't
GregS. We know that Jesus also read from the old testament especially from Isaiah 61:2
Jesus Quotes starting at Luke 4:17-21
Would we say these are the words of newer translations. No.
Isaiah 48:12 GOD SAID "I AM the fist and the last; Rev 1:8;11 JESUS SAID (aka GOD) "I AM the first and the last!" Is48:11 says "NO OTHER GOD"
So Y your NWT "changed" having u blv JESUS someone else?
See "spin off" fm "Trinity?"
A church man, Darwin was reluctant to publish his findings. He drew conclusions from findings in his 'Origin of Species'. Skeletons of primitive man were since found around East Africa and Europe to show changes that led to Cro-Magnon Man (France)
He was uncertain about things that looked like loopholes and not being able to nail them down. Something is afoot! I do not understand why people can't mix BOTH possibilities: that there IS a God who utilizes evolution. Humans are 'god in the flesh'
Not all Cat or we wouldn't have prisons! We are "spirits" who MUST attain knowledge of the CREATOR! Until then, there will continue to be more prisons unless man live "morally" (what society calls) "right!"
Satan is a fallen angel, so they say. Sometimes "God in the flesh" looses his way because of God-given free will. I agree with Catherine. That's why we have prisons. Someday when earth is a sacred planet, love prevails, and we won't need them.
According to "Catherine," we don't need prisons because we all have GOD inside of us; whether "activated" by BELIEF (I BELIEVE) or not!
If true, why are there prisons?
Yes, but Christians aren’t Christian until they awaken and accept God. They may go to prison first. It is the same thing, people have to awaken to the God within. I think we are on the same page, Norine, just speaking different languages.
Catherine's not on that page! She continues to tell me
"Don't worry, EVERYONE will be OK whether they awaken to GOD or not for the KoG is within ALL!"
The ancient hominids lived before the great flood.
"With GOD "ALL" things are possible" (Matt19:26)!
This is a great philosophical explanation for "evolution" (Col 2:8) but that's not what's in Scripture!
"...it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given" (Matthew 13:11)!
He that have "ears," let him "hear!"
K&T, In terms of the ultimate capacity to judge, live decently and see through things, the Hierarchy is God>Angel/Devil> Man; with man having the potential of God thru spiritual begettal. But the devil sure have their reasons to rebel just
BD: GOD convicts us to "live decently" when we are "anointed" w/HIS SPIRIT (aka "born again" Jn3:7)! We CAN'T "judge" another ONLY HIS WORD "judges" & "THE WORD "IS" GOD" (Jn1:1) SPEAKING!
"But I also believe it takes greater faith to believe in evolution than in a creator." Sure does since there are too many unanswered question yet creationists have seen "SUPERNATURAL POWER," "PROMISES," and prophecies fulfilled in Scripture!
I second your beliefs wba!
Thanks for the encouragement :)
WBA, it can also be explained by alien intervention in the human species.
I think that alien intervention is put forth because of the unexplained gaps in the fossil record and the sudden appearance the species. Alien intervention would explain the higher intelligence necessary to accomplish advanced life forms.
Norine, I hope you don't think my opinion is wavering, i'm just saying that from a secular scientific standpoint, alien intervention makes more sense than evolution.
But another question arises!
Where did the aliens comes from?
Err ... no! The evidence for Evolution is overwhelming and every single objection proposed by Creationists can easily be countered - but they are never prepared to listen to anyone who does not "believe" in their fairy tales!
Then why does Bible (ITim3:16) continue to fulfill itself even to this date? Ecc8:17 says [paraphrasing] "Man sees all of the work of GOD & will continue to "seek" how it was done but will "never" find out!"
Explain that "fairy tale!"
Norine, you seem to follow the Bible to a "T". Do you realize how many people had a hand in creating the Bible? It has been edited several times and there is more than one version. I believe there is 'some truth in it, but my life won't revolve aroun
Why worry IF you believe? Did JESUS not say in Jn 14:26 HE WOULD "lead & guide us into ALL truth" IF we've obeyed & acquired the "Communication Line" to HIM?
Man can add/delete ANYTHING but THE TEST for TRUTH is being "obedient" to "comman
You are blinded by your own bias. The evidence for creation is every where if you care to look. I recommend you take a fresh look and read "the science of God". It laid out the sequence of creation as aligned perfectly with the creation story.
That is the thing. Every religious person claims that science has proved their stories, but in the end they are what they are stories. It is easy to align something when you know the science, but it does not make it true.
You are not listening. The sequence of events as described in the Bible is what science has discovered to be true. Light, water, land, aquatic life, animals...and finally man. The details of this is explored by Dr. Schroeder in his book. Timeline...
Even if the "creation story" IS "made up," the Bible is our "FOUNDATION" to "connect" to THE CREATOR! Once u acquire that,"They shall teach no more every man his neighbor...they shall ALL no me (v33)I will put MY law n their inward parts(Jer31:34)
At the beginning of this I asked that comments don't criticize other's beliefs and feelings. Discussions are one thing, but just because you believe one way, doesn't mean you can try to make someone believe your way. Thank you.
You HATE GOD don't u?
Why ask of "creation story" if u don't want to hear?
Not JUDGE? U "criticize" my belief bcuz I give evidence of TRUTH yet tell others not to?
Either YOUR WAY or the HIGHWAY?
Q should've been "Why blv in "evolution" as I do?
http://infidels.org/library/modern/graham_oppy/rev... It is good to read views that differ to find out the truth.
I like and encourage different views. I just don't think anyone should be preaching to and trying to tell someone else how they should think.
Until one can prove scientifically why we each have a spirit inside w/intuitive feelings, there is a GOD!
Jack Lee has the MOST accurate concept for this question!
Get the book!
It looks like you will not quit. So let us agree to disagree.
Then why do fetuses first develop gills? http://io9.gizmodo.com/5967742/the-science-of-huma...
We do not form holes that penetrate from the inside to the outside as gills in a fish do. We neither develop the structure of a fish gill. "Pharyngeal arches & clefts" develop into parts of our face & throat region (jaws, larynx, chewing musc
So, they still have to come from somewhere. Perhaps leftover genes that evolve into human.
I wonder if there is so much PROOF for creationism, then why aren't you people claiming the noble prize by proving your theory to be correct? You will not only get the noble, but you will also prove to the world that creationism is indeed true.
MizB" Yes dear heart! READ Caleb's Response AGAIN!
AB: Because MOST don't BELIEVE & call "supernatural experiences" mystic & demonic as they did JESUS (Lk 11:14-15)!
This proves my point that there is indeed ZERO EVIDENCE for creationism. As far as the book science of god is concerned I have read some critics and it looks like the book is not scientific. If the book was scientific many scientists wud be belivers
There is ZERO EVIDENCE for those who DON'T BELIEVE in HIS PROMISES! Those of us who do have exp'd "supernatural" events in our lives!
It all boils down to THE CREATOR'S knowledge vs man's; who is still "trying" to "figure it out!"
Who is greater, Norine? Man's 'spiritual knowledge' that is somehow contained in ridiculously outrageous ways in a book; OR God who's word cannot possibly be contained & certainly not 'recorded' by human beings? Both sides would benefit from each
PEW Research over 51% of polled scientist believe in GOD!
I wonder why?
Tender moments of despair are sought by those who dwell in the depths of their torment. Were it possible, but for a fleeting moment- a ray of concentric reality were to strike bare their turmoil- could peace be far behind?
Turn away from the darkness
Prove IT'S "dark" please?
Evolutionists are still "seeking!"
Indeed stories. Also there is a considerable difference between asking if a person believes in some kind of order or first cause and a religion / bible or what being the truth. You can argue anything if you stay vague.
Those who preach and postulate the certainty of their conviction as the "only" truth, have in fact confirmed their blindness.
Seek another path to gain a different view, dearest. Your infirmities caused by past life events are over! Seek and rejoice!
Continue "seeking" & u will until death as those before you! There's vagueness! When will you learn?
Keep "sweating" it!
I wonder why God gave us brain if he does not wants us to question things? You can just believe anything you want, but I have no reason to believe that Bible is the world of God. Belief that comes from fear is not worth it.
HE gives "choice" & u can continue to "try" & "figure HIM out" wasting time as did your forefathers or BELIEVE!
HE told us to "STUDY" (II Tim2:15) but WORD not "try to figure HIM out!"
"Fear?" I AM RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH; therefore, "fear" what
My forefathers believed in own experience and they believed that yoga can lead to self-realization. I have not tried yoga yet so I do not make claims about the existence of god, but I do not deny it either.
By fear I meant fear of hell.
After you've tried it ALL, you MAY come to the realization - time wasted as those before you!
"I'M RIGHTEOUS BY FAITH" therefore no "hell" for me!
I think you should stop judging others and focus on yourself. Only time will tell who wasted his/her time. I will no longer engage in this debate because you won't understand my point. I know hell is invented by people to convert others. Namaste.
Not to "convert others" but to TRY to make you aware of the "spirit" GOD placed in each of us & if not "activated" by BELIEVING, hell is the consequence!
Why wouldn't one want "supernatural power?" Sure beats the simple 5 senses of a "carnal"ma
Remember the flood in the bible? It wiped out ancient beings. God thought mankind was evil so he made monkeys different than people. Why do you think there are still humans and still monkeys? Old fossils were from before the flood.
GOD "KNOWS" (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!
IF "connected" as HE COMMANDED US TO "BECOME" (Matt6:33;Acts1:4) we will know also (IJn4:17) BUT to what extent depends on our "level of FAITH" (Rm1:17)!
I believe when GOD breathed into man "the breathe of life" (Gen2:7) it was GOD'S SPIRIT but we lost HIS SPIRIT due to Adam & Eve & was left was "a spirit!" Now we must "obey" to get it back so that we can "keep the same primordial talents!"
Evolution = scientific fact
Darwin ≠ evolution
Survival of fittest = evolution of life theory
Big Bang = evolutution of universe theory
Creationism = ancient sand-dweller myth
Faith ≠ standard of scientific theory, let alone proven fact
"Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man can't find out the work that is done under the sun:bcuz though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it;yea farther;though a wise man think to know it, yet he shall not be able to find it!"
A ‘plane of time’ has no starting point! GOD (SPIRIT) is multi-dimensional and not confined to cause & effect as we are! HE can travel anywhere in time & yet never had a beginning!
Time has a starting point. I am multidimensional too. Cause and effect is a tricky idea (QM). is God a He? We travel in time too. Time is a 2 way street in quantum mechanics.
Maybe in "QM" but not in Spirit (aka GOD)! HE is "alpha & omega" the beginning & the end" (Rev1:8)!
"Is God a He?" GOD is a SPIRIT" (Jn4:23-24)! Gal 3:28 "There is neither MALE or FEMALE ...for ye are all ONE (Spirit) in Christ Jesus!"
Seriously...'The Bible says so...'
That's byfar the best explanation. Damn I wish if they had the techonolgy back then, to quote the billions of year of evolution behind them instead of directly begining from homo sapiens - Adam & Eve
"Go to the ant, u sluggard, consider her ways, & be wise: Which has no guide, overseer, nor ruler"(Prov6:6-7)ONLY GOD!
"A discerning person keeps wisdom in view, but a fool's eyes WANDER to the ends of the earth" (Prov17:24)!
They KEEP "searchi
Where do you think anything came from in the first place?
And where did God exactly come from?
Which god came first Christian, Hindu, Muslim??
GOD is a SPIRIT who is an intelligent Being & has always existed vs materialism (Ps90;2;93:2)!
Based on the 2nd law of thermodynamics the stars would've burned out by now if evolution was true!
Always existed cuz you believe so, but the same can't be proven. Can it be?
However if it comes to a scientific argument you would outrightly reject it but if it suits you, you wont shy away from quoting the same too.
Thank you Norine, now I know what my problem is. I don't believe in "spirits". I am so glad you pointed that out to me.
It can be "proven" by BELIEVERS & it's too bad you won't "humble yourself" to find out! Man has tried to "figure it out" since the beginning & can't. Therefore, try GOD!
Gregas: Where do you get that "intuition" or "conscience" from?
Norine, it sure isn't from a "spirit". It comes form life and experience itself. Nothing can be proved by anyone just because they believe. It only proves that THEY believe, nothing else.
Well "believe" this! You have more days behind than in front & DEATH IS INEVITABLE! You've tried everything else & still asking questions! Why not try JESUS?
Trust me, I know how close I am to the inevitable. I didn't ask this question because I needed to know. I was just curious how other people feel. and think. "I" am not trying to change the way anyone thinks. or feels.
Neither am I! Just putting TRUTH out there! We ALL have a "choice!"
Or how people spout nonsense connection thermodynamics and evolution. Please get a real education.
Who cares how you guys feel about "a real education!"
"I count it all dung" (aka shit) as Paul said in Phil 3:8 in comparison to REAL "TRUTH" from GOD (aka HOLY SPIRIT)!
Keep "searching" with that "real education" as those before you!
BUT "By the GRACE of GOD, there go I!"
"But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved..." (Acts 15:11)!
B4 smartphone is nokia. Prior computers r abacus. Kite b4 plane, sword b4 nuclear, chariot b4 tanks. Techniques evolve, intelligence accumulates and a son's DNA evolves his parent's. But mixing a Word from an Excel messes the program; diferrent story
NOT "diff story" but SAME SPIRIT who "Spoke to apostles whom HE had chosen via the Holy Spirit" (Acts 1:2)! HE Promised HE would do that under the New Covenant in Jer31:31-34;Heb8:10;10:16! HIS "MO" has ALWAYS been operating in "GLORIES!"
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