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Bill Cosby - Comedian or Defendant

Updated on November 24, 2014

Bill Cosby


My Bill Cosby

When I think of Bill Cosby, two things come to mind, one of his monologues and his defense of Tawana Brawley.

The monologue is one where he's explaining how he gives his kids breakfast when Mom's not around. He gives them chocolate cake. He then tells us how the kids run around singing, "Dad is great, he gives us the chocolate cake." His monologue contains the following rationalization:

"The child wanted chocolate cake for breakfast! How ridiculous! ... And someone in my brain looked under chocolate cake and saw the ingredients: eggs! Eggs are in chocolate cake! And milk! Oh goody! And wheat! That's nutrition! ... And their father said, 'Chocolate cake coming up!!' ... And five children sat at breakfast and the morning music was playing and they were eating chocolate cake and singing songs to me: 'Dad is great! Give us the chocolate cake!'"

I can remember laughing at this and continuing to laugh as he explained how Mom went well, pretty much wild. However, the "Dad is great" line is said around my house almost every time we eat chocolate cake.

My second thought when I hear Bill Cosby is his defense of Tawana Brawley. In 1987 this young lady (15 at the time) falsely accused six white men of raping her in Wappingers Falls, N.Y, not that far from where I live.

Mr. Cosby came to her aid, was sympathetic to her plight and helped raise money for her legal fund. As the Grand Jury investigated they found the allegations were untrue. Speculation led to Ms. Brawley being afraid of punishment she would've received had she returned home late so she fabricated the entire story. She accused a Fishkill Police Officer, a Dutchess County Prosecutor, and stated the other white men watched.

Pagones (the prosecutor) sued Sharpton, Maddox, Mason, and Brawley. He won. He says to this day, he would forego payment from Brawley if she would just tell the truth.

Certainly these are not my only memories of Bill Cosby. I watched "I Spy" and many more of Mr. Cosby's monologues.

Bill Cosby Monologue - One of the reasons we loved him

What do you think, comedian or rapist?

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Sixteen Women Accuse Cosby of Rape

The Washington Post says women saw him as "the king of the world".

“According to the karma of past actions, one’s destiny unfolds, even though everyone wants to be so lucky . . . Nothing stays in the dark 4ever!” read a tweet from the 47-year-old Lisa Bonet's purported Twitter account. Lisa played a daughter on Cosby's show.

Sixteen women! Not one or two or even ten but sixteen. Different women at different times though there are similarities. Most claiming he drugged them before any sexual act.

Again Mr. Cosby's actions hit close to home for me as one of the women currently accusing him is from Woodstock, N.Y.

Thirty, forty, and fifty years ago. Let that sink in. Three, four and five decades ago. I'm not saying that makes them false by any means. Think about fifty years ago. At that time a rape victim had little credibility, especially if the rapist was a famous male, a beloved entertainer. However, it is being said this is not the first time Mr. Cosby has been accused of rape.

  • Mr. Cosby admitted to a brief affair in 1970.
  • A civil suit against him in 2005 led to thirteen women willing to testify. Mr. Cosby reached an unknown settlement in 2006 with Andrea Constand, the lady who had filed the suit.
  • 2006 Barbara Bowman accused Mr. Cosby of several sexual assaults.
  • February 2014 a Newsweek article where Bowman and Green accuse Mr. Cosby.
  • Former NBC employee Frank Scotti decided to speak up because he felt sorry for the women. Scotti passed money on to women for Cosby but using Scotti's name to cover for Cosby.
  • Cosby had young models delivered to his office and Scotti would stand guard outside

You don't need a vivid imagination to put two and two together! I've only mentioned the tip of the iceberg. If you want to learn more there is plenty on the Internet with more being added daily.

You look at the enjoyment you may get from a given activity, and then you look at the amount of work that may have to go into it … for example, sex with a young beautiful woman who has plenty of energy."

— Bill Cosby in his forties

Cosby - Family Man or Rapist

Where does all of this leave us? What are we to believe. Is Bill Cosby the lovable family man who has provided hours and hours of laughter to families across the world OR is he a serial rapist who used his stature to lure women?

Is he the master of the monologue or the distributor of drinks and pills? What happened to Cliff Huxtable? Is he still there? Where will this all lead? Will we ever find out the truth?

Those are my questions. I want to know the truth but have a feeling in my gut that will never happen. On the one hand its hard not to believe sixteen different women and on the other this is fatherly Bill Cosby. Stars like Kathy Lee Gifford have defended him while stars like Sharon Osborne speak of his "loving the women" and being "free with his hands". Whoopi Goldberg sympathizes with Mr. Cosby. Other black female comedians have certainly intimated they are not surprised by the allegations. Not pointing fingers but comedian Sheryl Underwood (whom I love) made a comment I am paraphrasing, that being in the comedian community you hear things and see things and this isn't the place to relate them. That comment kind of cemented things for me.

I am so sorry to say, and my heart aches, but I'm leaning toward rapist.

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      Mary Craig 2 years ago from New York

      Letstalkabout, you are so right. No one should ever be afraid to report a rape. Date rape is especially heinous since you never suspect your date!

      Paula, You are so very right GF. I had none of your intuition, but loved his comedy. I still quote, "Dad is great, gives us the chocolate cake", let me correc that, I did still quote, not any more.

      Not only is this sad but totally reprehensible. To use that popularity and little bit of power that comes with celebrity to be a total monster! Here is a man who affected his race and put them down for their laziness, etc. How can he even look in the mirror? I'm surprised he hasn't been stoned.

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      Paula 2 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      So, here we are, many months after the initial public exposure.....left with absolutely NO choice but to accept that Cosby is plainly and simply, a disgusting and sleazy serial rapist......not to mention, a complete failure as a husband and publicly shamed LIAR.

      I feel vindicated for always having had a "sense" that Cosby was of dubious character in "real life," despite his celebrity persona. My keen intuition rarely fails me. I didn't expect an unveiling of such magnitude, but haven't the least bit of difficulty believing these women.

      Cosby is a ruined man. He earned this. I feel for his family.....but certainly not for him!

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      McKenna Meyers 2 years ago from Bend, OR

      We're now at over 40 accusers, spanning 5 decades. They all have similar stories. These women have been so damaged -- from the assault itself but also from not being believed. Many of them didn't even know what happened to them after they were drugged until they heard other women tell their story. Rape is a much under-reported crime. It was just a series of crazy coincidences that finally exposed Bill Cosby. He came so close to getting away with it. Now he must face the consequences.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I think false accusers need more than repentance. They publicly humiliate someone then they need to be publicly exposed as liars.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      I'll agree that the Cosby v Clinton does go off track, and is rather an apples and oranges sort of argument. That's all I'll say about that, since it could lead further down a rabbit hole.

      However, I do still think there's something to say about why it is we demand the public repentance of someone accused of heinous crimes, but never ask for the same from people found to have publicly accused people falsely. There seems to be a double standard there,and it leaves the truth in murky waters. If Cosby did what he did, then certainly, he should repent of it. If he didn't, and those that spoke against him lied and false witnessed against him, they should also repent. If Cosby is demanded to do so publicly, if indeed he did what he did, why shouldn't those who spoke ill of him not also have to repent publicly if indeed their witness against him was false? Only seems fair.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      tsadjatko, thank you for jumping in!

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      TSAD 3 years ago from https:// online/ hubpages. html

      Yeah, I know,but after reading all these comments I couldn't come up with any thing else to say!

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Whew, we really have a debate going here and everyone's opinion is certainly valid.

      Melissa you make excellent points to consider.

      John and tsadjatko I think you are moving away from the Cosby matter.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      There's a difference between Cosby and Clinton. For one, Cosby's career is pretty much ruined, and there isn't even any trial other than the court of public opinion that is condemning him. Not to mention, Cosby is not a politician, and both Republicans and Democrats are keeping their distance from him.

      As it is, Romney has worked for a company whose job it is to downsize or completely close down a company. That means putting people out of work and creating hardships on families, rather than creating jobs and supporting families. Besides that, Romney has flip flopped so many times on the issue of abortion to suit his own means to an end that it's pointless to consider him a poster boy for pro life. Add to that, it was W. Bush's Supreme Court justice candidate that essentially gave merit to Obamacare's penalty/tax that forces people to have to buy insurance, along with the other aspects of the healthcare funding that helps pay for abortions.

      As it is, I don't particularly see either party as being conducive for creating a culture of life, nor being all that pro woman, or pro decent human being. They both have certain aspects of what they do that help lead to keeping people in poverty and dependent on the government, or otherwise seeking to control the population.

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      TSAD 3 years ago from https:// online/ hubpages. html

      I think this is the longest comment section I've ever seen.

      Naturally I'm drawn to the comments concerning the comparison of Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton. Both of them are very outspoken Democrats yet the Democrat party (and the media) sees fit to brand republicans (like Romney) as waging a war on women. Romney who has never been accused of serial rape as those two have (so he has never had to lie about it either) somehow is held in low esteem by Democrats while these two serial rapists (there is no doubt to a reasoning person or why wouldn't Romney, a soldier of the war on women have a string of women charging rape, he's probably richer than Cosby and Clinton combined) are never accused of a war on women, a real war with real casualties, not a ruse to get the government to pay for birth control.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      And certainly, we ought to remember that people that abuse their tongues with lying, false witness, gossiping, slander, calumny, and detraction, are also master manipulators. Such people with these types of wicked tongues come in all sizes, shapes, colors, and economic backgrounds. I too hope the truth comes out, and that people learn to love truth rather than lying and detracting from their fellow human beings.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      Certainly, if he did what was done, he needs to repent. However, whether he publicly repents or not is his choice, and more for the benefit of the public than his soul. But he does have to repent of it, if he has truly done what he is claimed to have done.

      I'm still keeping from presuming because, for one, let's not forget the Salem witch trials. I'm sure a good many of us have read 'The Crucible' while going through school, or remember McCarthysim. It is possible that people are coming out of the woodwork to calumny and detract from Cosby's former good name. I find it interesting that no one ever asks for the accusers to come out in public and repent if they had been found to false witness and speak evil of a person. Wonder why that is? Bo we just love the wickedness of gossip so much that we'll believe the worst about people, and let their detractors get off easy, even if what they said were complete lies and meant to be malicious?

      False lying, false witnessing, calumny, and detraction are also serious sins, and are also tied to the vice of envy.

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      Melissa Orourke 3 years ago from Roatán, Islas De La Bahia, Honduras

      This will be a short comment. There is one thing that each and everyone of us needs to remember, or know. Sex Offenders are master manipulators! Sex offenders come in all sizes, shapes, colors, and economic backgrounds. I hope the truth comes out, what ever that may be.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I couldn't agree with you more ComfrotB. IF he is guilty he certainly needs to do something to repent.

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      Comfort Babatola 3 years ago from Bonaire, GA, USA

      To err is human,...but to presumptuously, consistently err without remorse is evil. If, (and I said 'if", because no one but Bill and all these his accusers, and the all knowing God knows the truth) Bill Cosby did what he's been accused of doing, he needs to repent, and publicly so. Else, the wrath of God awaits him.

      The Lord is at hand! Let us all examine our ways.

      Great hub. Voted up and interesting.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      No ethical attorney anyway. But there's plenty of debate and question about potential court cases where there's been suspicion of lining the jury up with the intent for a particular outcome. Some of those cases were often in the deep south during segregation, though there have been a few in more recent years. But, by and large, the judicial system does try to be as fair and balanced as humanly possible. Therefore, if there's any question about if there might be too much prejudice in a local court, the trial may be moved elsewhere. Then there's right for retrials, as well. Can be a very slow process, but those that really want justice and truth to be done and found out can and do push the cause as far as they legally can.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      You make excellent points again John, as did your Dad. No attorney is going to allow a prejudicial juror on his case.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      I almost think it pretty much impossible to find an un-poisoned well in a jury pool any more these days. Any more, at least in as fair of a process as possible, it's likely that they might, or at least ought, pick people that are able to be objective and do not readily jump to conclusions. Especially in high profile cases, it is very unlikely to find people that haven't read or heard something, so, it would make sense to then examine potential jury members on where they stand on the matter and how firmly they hold that stance.

      Of course, my Dad, having that sort of contrary attitude about courts and the like, pretty much said in that particular game of mind chess played, that if you don't want to be on the jury, then sound as biased and staunch in your opinions as possible, and then you're likely not to be picked.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Thank you for reading and commenting Steel Engineer.

      John, you make excellent points. Public opinion, or the press, is not the place to try any case. Our judicial process is not yet pointless but what comes before it, on TV, in the papers, is what makes everything skewed. I don't know how they even pick an unbiased jury anymore!

      Defending yourself in the face of opinions already formed is extremely difficult.

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      John Crawford 3 years ago

      I'm still keeping out of this as much as possible. Rude and defensive on a television show that can be edited to get the sort of story the media wants to tell isn't the best way of coming to finding the truth. Sometimes the media will use such abilities to slant things toward what they want as a story, rather than actually reporting the story as is.

      Not to mention, I'm not all too thrilled with our cultural court of public opinion view of justice that essentially makes the judicial process pointless. The notion of innocent until proven guilty used to be what we considered the greatest aspect of American justice.

      Don't forget also that Cosby comes from an era that didn't particularly trust authorities anyway. My father was in Vietnam, and there were lots of times where official records could be used as weapons against people. Then there's also those that fled countries where Communism and Nazi Socialists were persecuting people that were known to ally themselves with the opposing points of view. Needless to say, many growing up, or having lived through such times lived by the notion that silence is golden - or at lest kept you alive.

      That is seen as counter-intuitive in today's social media court of public opinion culture, where even before you've ever gone to court, your detractors have already soiled your name with all sorts of scandal and calumny that the truth becomes very muddied and difficult to find. It leads a lot of people to consider that it's almost better now to have your own twitter or facebook page to tell your side of the story, rather than clamming up and letting others tell their stories and form in their gossip the tale that the public comes to believe and leaves you unable to defend yourself.

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      Steel Engineer 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine

      I finally realized why they promised to give him a new show. They never planned to give it. But, because Cosby had a contractual obligation to promote the show, he had to do interviews. In those interviews, they ambushed him with questions about the charges of rape.

      Then, they dropped the show.

      It was a ruse to get him in front of a camera. Even then, Cosby just said, "We don't talk about that." But, they canned him anyway.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      It appears you are in the majority TT. Insiders are just that and like you have more knowledge about what really happened.

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      Sondra Rochelle 3 years ago from USA

      I used to work at the movie studios and it was common knowledge that Bill Cosby constantly cheated on his wife. His public persona has nothing to do with who he really is, so I say "if it walks like a duck...."

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Not just good points Au fait but facts. The media is quick to judge and people are too quick to follow the judgment made by someone else.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      I suppose it's all relative. By itself 20 women does seem like a lot of women to stick together with very similar stories, but if you consider Mr. Cosby's celebrity and financial situation, I think it not unlikely that he has bedded hundreds of women. Compared to that number, 20 is pretty small. Even so, if even one of them is telling the truth it would be difficult to muster respect for Mr. Cosby.

      As stated, I have no way of knowing if any of the women other than Ms. Serignese are telling the truth since I haven't seen or listened to any of them and I haven't read any interviews of them if there are any. They may all be telling the truth or it may all be trumped up to get money out of him, though why he would pay any of them off at this point I can't imagine. Maybe like Monica Lewinsky, they think having done Bill Cosby is their greatest achievement in life and they want the world to know it while gleaning their 15 minutes of fame. I think you have to feel sorry for any woman who believes her own greatest accomplishment was, or would be, to do a celebrity and become famous for so doing.

      It's unfortunate this issue won't be decided in a courtroom because that is where you will hear whatever facts exist. Opinion and hear-say are ruled out. If it's only their word against his, that isn't much, yet people love to believe the worst about anyone.

      I realize most men don't rape where there will be witnesses or something that will convict them, but on the other hand, in the past men used to stick together when a woman accused one of them of rape. They would all say they had bedded her and that she had solicited their attention and consented. All were lying in many cases and today that will rarely hold up in court. Truth isn't always present in numbers. Even a prostitute, if that is the case, has the right to say no, and to ignore her is to commit rape.

      I think it is unfortunate that Mr. Cosby is being tried and convicted in the media. I would prefer to hear testimony under oath.

      For some reason people love to convict people of the worst things they can think of. Remember Richard Jewel who discovered the bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta July 1996? I saw interview after interview of passersby with a reporter at the Olympics, and nearly every single one wanted the death penalty for Jewell because he had become a "person of interest" and that was all they needed to know to convict and apply the death sentence. They believed 'person of interest' was another way of saying Jewell had set the bomb himself to look like a hero when he discovered it. They were wrong and pretty vicious in their ignorance.

      The media wants to sell magazines, newspapers, and themselves on TV. They don't care about the truth, they care about getting more people to listen to them and watch them. They don't care who is destroyed either, so long as there is a happy ending -- money in their own pockets.

      Mr. Cosby may be guilty and if he is guilty in even one case that would be very unfortunate. Then I too, would want blood. No one should ever be forced, by any means, to do anything sexual.

      I think it is all but impossible to determine guilt via media court. There's a problem in this country because so many people only need to hear an accusation to want to convict immediately, no more info needed. I want to hear all the gory details from the accusers ad nauseam because the longer they talk and the more comfortable they become, the more likely they are to accidentally tell the truth -- that's if they aren't already. That is one of the reasons lawyers always tell their clients to shut up. It isn't the only reason, but it is one reason, and a good one.

      I'm not on anyone's side. I would simply like to know the truth if it is available. If all these women are lying, then I think there should be repercussions for that too. Even if Mr. Cosby is found to be not guilty in the end, the ugliness of this whole thing will still be floating around out there and there will be people who will say they're not so sure he really isn't guilty, and on it goes. His legacy is tarnished forever already, and we still do not know the truth.

      I applaud you for writing about such a controversial issue and I hope it will get people to thinking about the way people are tarred and feathered in this country as a result of just an accusation. Anyone can make an accusation and exhibitionists everywhere will jump on the bandwagon to get some of the limelight if it looks like they can somehow benefit. What we need is a means to get to the truth. It shouldn't be so easy to ruin someone's life and get away with so doing. Unfortunate this issue will not likely ever see the inside of a courtroom. That's not the ideal as the truth doesn't always surface even there, but so far it's the best we have for getting to the truth.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      You make many valid points Au fait. Your article in the Huffington Post is one of many. As I've said, unfortunately we may never know the truth. Now cast members of The Cosby Show have come forward denying all accusations and the media claims they do so for financial reasons. Yet there are twenty women, that's a lot to fabricate the same type of story. The heart of the matter to many is Cliff Huxtable. The family man they loved and grew up with, played by Bill Cosby, a comedian they loved and grew up with as well.

      I wish it could be settled because if it isn't true he certainly needs to be vindicated before his entire legacy is rape.

      Thanks for the votes and share.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Sorry, I forgot to say, voted up and interesting and shared. :)

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Well written as usual, but I must say I am undecided for the most part. I doubt very much that Mr. Cosby had to lure any women to engage with him. Not that all women would be interested, I certainly am not, but we are not all created the same.

      Monica Lewinsky, for example, thought one-upping her mother who was proud of having done Luciano Pavarotti, would be a worthwhile endeavor and so she aspired to do a sitting president. This she considered a grand achievement. What can I say? This planet is infested with such shallow minds as these and it's hard to imagine that anyone would seriously consider doing anyone, famous or not, an worthwhile achievement. Of course men have bragged about their conquests from the beginning of time, so why should it surprise anyone that there are some women out there who do the same thing?

      When women accuse of rape and it turns out to be a lie for whatever reason, it not only harms a man's reputation and often destroys his life, but it hurts women who have truly been raped as well, because after discovering a false accusation people are hesitant to believe that accusation when they hear it again from other women without strong proof. Then true victims of rape are victimized all over again because no one wants to risk believing them and the women become suspect.

      I was never a fan of Mr. Cosby. I didn't dislike him. I just didn't find him especially interesting or funny enough to go out of my way to see or hear him. I may have seen one episode of his television program.

      Most male celebs have women following them around longing to be able to state on their tombstone one day, that they accomplished the great achievement of 'doing' a wealthy celebrity. I have read comments on this site written by women who said they enjoy a little slap on the behind once in a while from male coworkers and they have no problem with that. Clearly all women do not agree on sexuality or on worthwhile achievements and values.

      I have not heard the stories or seen pictures of the women who are accusing Mr. Cosby. I have no TV, so I must make the effort to learn about these things, and to me it's just another sensational story until proof can be obtained one way or the other, which at this point it has not.

      However, I did read an account in the Huffington Post online regarding Therese Serignese, a Florida nurse who claims Mr. Cosby drugged and raped her. I can't imagine why any woman would willingly make contact with her rapist. My mind boggles at the idea of a mother encouraging her daughter to contact her rapist. What kind of mother would do such a thing? Yet these things are confessed by Ms. Serignese in her interview with the Huffington Post.

      Not having heard or read anything regarding any other of the women accusing Mr. Cosby, I have no opinion about them, but I will tell you that having read the interview of Ms. Serignese, I find Mr. Cosby not guilty. Did he provide Ms. Serignese with a drug during the 'event?' Ms. Serignese says he did, but she also says Mr. Cosby made no effort to force her to take it. She did take them and in my mind, not refusing to take it, we will never know for sure if he would have used force to get her to take the drug.

      Here is the URL to the story I base my opinion on:

      Like I said, regarding the other women, I have no opinion, but on this one, Ms. Serignese, I find Mr. Cosby not guilty. Ms. Serignese admits having contacted Mr. Cosby of her own free will more than once and it seems what she wanted was money. I'm wondering if like Ms. Serignese, these other women might rescind their stories if enough money were offered . . .

      Check out the story by the Huff Post and see what you think. It's fairly short and won't take long. I don't want to insinuate that all of the women should be judged by the Serignese story. However, I do think we need to see some extensive interviews with these women before making a decision.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Oh so true Deb. It is just hard, as you point out, when it is someone we idolize.

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Our hearts have been, and will continue to be broken by those that we idolize. Is it or is it not true? We will NEVER know for certain, but it will always be there. Remember, that none of us is perfect.

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      WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Sadly, I think you're both right. Bill Clinton was protected by the media (and even the feminists!) from endless accusers, and all for political reasons. Bill Cosby on the other hand, challenged the notion that kids did not need a father in the house, which was not at all politically correct so he has been sacrificed.

      Good points.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Til....IMHO....your guess would not only be educated, but correct. There's no safer place to be if you're a bad guy than the Political Arena!

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Will, I guess my uneducated guess would be politics. Things happen in the political arena that never happen anywhere else.

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      WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Mary,

      I guess I'm trying to figure out why two very famous men, both accused by many women of sexual assaults, are being treated so differently. Why does Bill Clinton have such high approval ratings, while Bill Cosby's are at all time lows? That's why I'm asking if race is the main factor, because I seen no other clear reason for the disparity.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Paula, as for hijacking my comment section, please go right ahead! Will, you and Paula have brought more to think about to this hub. I agree with Paula though, I don't think race has anything to do with it. Bill Cosby was loved by all and his race had nothing to do with that so I don't see why it would now. I'm sure you're posing the question just looking for answers not racism.

      We live in a sad society and no man should not be allowed to get away with rape, especially when it is so contrived. My heart is sad as I too loved Cosby. I can remember my mother laughing at his stand up routines and now this! It is a sad day but the truth has to come out.

      Lisa Bonet, his daughter on the Cosby show, tweeted "According to the karma of past actions, one's destiny unfolds, even though everyone wants to be so lucky...Nothing stays in the dark 4ever." That is all she wrote then closed her account. The authenticity of the tweet is in question but regardless it makes one think.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Oh Will......I never once thought you were thinking that. I'm afraid I haven't read of the Sony revelations you mention. I guess I should research some news sources. I've actually been out of touch with the newest and most controversial headlines out there. Thanks for the interesting discussion, Will.

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      WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      I posed the Bill C. vs Bill C. question elsewhere, and no one had a good answer on why the one is being vilified while the other is being eulogized when both have multiple accusations of sexual assaults and rape.

      I used to doubt that it was raced based until the recent Sony revelations concerning hidden liberal racism surfaced. Now I'm not so sure.

      And no Paula, I did not think you were a racist.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Tillie, my friend...please excuse Will & I as we hijack your comment section.............

      You have an excellent point (in general) I am no Bill Clinton fan, but I didn't like him BEFORE his scandal. Personally I have little respect for Politicians. I "expect" sleazebag behavior from them.....MORE so than celebrities. Powerful statement and I mean it.

      If I recall, Clinton spoke publicly at the time.....all lies of course, but he addressed it. He had no choice, I realize this. There was a really huge deal made of his behavior and most of the public DID believe his accusers. Then he came as clean as possible as a Politician is able & went on his merry way continuing in public life.

      Clinton had massive Political support, protection, damage control and outspoken defenders.....BECAUSE of politics. Cosby has none of the above, nor has the creep had the Ka-hunas to "speak." He is acting, appearing and exacerbating "GUILTY" like a neon sign. Actually, he almost looks like a broken .."Oh crap.....that's it for me...they got me."

      As for the race question.....I can only answer that for myself and I feel equally sickened by both men for very similar reasons. Truthfully Will, Number ONE on my hit list is John Edwards. That piece of dog crap had another man...a close associate, lie and take a bullet for him.

      That's the top Jeopardy answer to "How Low can we go?"

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      WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Hi Paula.

      What puzzles me is the difference in the way we treat the two Bill C's...Bill Cosby and Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton has had as many accusers as Bill Cosby (including three violent rape accusations!), but somehow, Bill Clinton is viewed as an innocent victim of false charges, while Bill Cosby has already been convicted in the court of public opinion.

      Why is that? Race?

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Will.....This is always difficult to understand, most especially by men. All due respect, men pray to be raped (or is that ravaged?) My point is, yours is a common question when speaking of rape.

      However, as I said, as these full stories are slowly unraveling and becoming more detailed, we are learning that several of these women did either attempt to report the incident...or at the very least, confided in someone close to them at the time.

      Because in each & every case, drugs were involved in addition to celebrity, fear, confusion and feelings of intimidation......out right charges were not an issue. Two women got as far as speaking to Attorneys..who in fact, literally laughed them out of the offices.

      A lot of people at first "hoped" the accusations were false. For me personally, "hope" didn't even enter my mind. I believed it instantly. (due to my background, It is simply automatic for me)

      Now....there are no less than TWO DOZEN women, Will. The vast majority of them had not known one another personally until recently. (leaving any ridiculous conspiracy theory out of the question)....Mr. C. cannot be charged legally due the statute of limitations, even "civil suits" would be extremely difficult, lengthy and expensive for the plaintiffs. "5 minutes of fame" is also out of the question based on sheer common sense and decency. Just how many middle-aged women (& older) at this point in their lives would SEEK this type of denigrating publicity......and in the name of God, for WHAT purpose?

      Quite sadly, for the vast majority of the public, Bill Cosby will now go down in History as a formerly loved & admired entertainer who in reality was a sleazy, disgusting, sneaky serial rapist and FRAUD. No winners here whatsoever.

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      WillStarr 3 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      My first thought was "Say it ain't so, Bill!"

      This man is one of my youthful heroes because my friends and I knew some of his routines by heart, like 'My Brother Russel Whom I Slept with'.

      I hope the accusations are false, and like diogenes, I have wonder why none of his accusers came forth at the time.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I hope she takes his billions and runs away with Harry Belafonte !!! At least he's a Handsome man with a sexy voice.......

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Yes GF you are right on all counts, however, I must say only you can make me laugh on a subject so deplorable.

      Of course "No One Knows What Goes on Behind Closed Doors" but it's a safe bet to say Mrs. Cosby knew and chose the good life, just sayin.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      And.....there's either total silence or quite the opposite chaos in the Cosby household.....(but I'm just guessing...LOL) Dear Mrs. Cosby....his one and only long term devoted wife.

      She may be of the mindset to stay put exactly where she the lap of a life of total luxury she has always been accustomed to....and at this point (age & years of marriage) that might be a smart move on her part.

      She MAY be another "Dorothy Sandusky" in complete & irrational denial and continue to sing Tammy Wynette's, "Stand by your Man."

      Since she is another innocent victim of Mr. Cosby's sleezy habits......she has him by his busy little balls and has any option she chooses. My hero is Elin Woods.....leave the disgraced & disgusting PIG and take hundreds of millions with you.....Got you by the tail, Tiger......too bad, so sad.....Don't any of these mothers advise their sons that they must think with their BIG head.....not the little one.??

      Let's not forget "Arnold Schwarzenagger" who was not kidding when he would say...."I am here to PUMP you up!" Governor of Cal-ee-for-nia.....He's another joke.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Well Carol, I think Paula pretty much said it all. Over the years rape victims have been afraid they wouldn't be believed, especially when a celebrity or high status mail is the rapist. It certainly looks like Mr. Cosby is guilty, as someone said in the comments here, his silence is deafening.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Carol......No, the woman were not familiar with one another until perhaps recently. "So many" women have come forward due to the courage and honesty of one and two women who finally needed to make this crime and horrendous incident they suffered years ago and since then have dealt with serious repercussions and life issues. This is when the flood gates opened and numerous other women who had been bearing with this secret, came forward in solidarity and support of the others.

      This is not at all unusual nor difficult to understand for any woman who has ever gone through this devastatingly & egregious assault. In fact, Carol, quite sadly it is the norm.

      It must be noted that all of these women were drugged prior to Cosby raping and violating them. These women were frightened, confused, in shock and mentally thrown into a near impossible situation. All of their stories are identical in terms of the manipulation used by Cosby, getting them alone, drugging them and raping. His enormous ego, sick mind and incredible celebrity & money as is usually the case with men of this status, allowed him to feel untouchable and gave him license to do this repeatedly.

      Some of these women DID report it.....whether to a friend, Dr, lawyer or Police Officer. One even told of how she was completely fluffed off, laughed at and given no help nor understanding in the least. This should surprise none of us.....It certainly does not surprise anyone who has ever been raped or individuals who have spent years working with rape victims.

      these women reacted in very typical fashion, They were at first in shock and disbelief, then quite devastated, then anger and finally feeling alone, beaten down and defeated.....They all asked themselves, "WHO would believe me?"

      To those who think they want "fame".....Can we be realistic? Who wants this kind of public scrutiny and humiliation? No one. because of the statute of limitations, they cannot seek damages nor can Mr. Cosby be charged with anything.

      Perhaps because of my background, I had not a single doubt from day one that this was fact....that Bill Cosby is yet another wolf with a sheep's celebrity personna....that the average person is not capable of separating. He may be Dr Huxtable and a funny man on screen......but it is more than probable that the real and private Mr. Cosby is a sick, perverted dirty old SERIAL Rapist....with no conscience and no remorse whatsoever. His EGO, popularity and wealth has made him feel not only invincible......but untouchable and invisible.

      3-4-5 or even 6 women......may create doubt or suspicion....especially if the rapes occurred recently enough to press charges and sue........But 20 women.....all of proper background and stature who have repeated their emotional stories one by one, in detail and with clarity and pain? time for reality to set in. Cosby is just another sick, perverted serial rapist.....and his celebrity means nothing in terms of changing this fact.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      The problem with this is that there is no DNA or proof. It bothers me that so many women came forward. One or two maybe think about it. Did they know each other.? To me this is all very strange

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      It is just sad for us DD but more than that for the women involved. It sure is too much to think of.

      ahorseback, one wonders what goes on in the public mind. Any actor or multi-millionaire seems to be held to a different standard which he/she certainly should not!

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      ahorseback 3 years ago

      It's kind of surprise to me that this doesn't become some kind of a racial issue , And , in the more recent empowerment of women's issues , no one seems to be getting behind the women here ? What's with that ? Is it not because he's a multi- millionaire ? And in the Huckstables he was even a doctor for gods sake ! Where is the anger ?

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      When I heard about these women accusing the Comedian of such an offense I could not believe it and still don't. I look at Bill Cosby as a Comedian. Whatever happened behind closed doors no one will ever know. Too much to think of here.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      True Peg as the old cigarette saying goes, "we've come a long way baby!" I certainly don't mean that facetiously.

      It is so sad Audrey, especially for our generation who felt we knew him so well. You couldn't have said it better when you said you feel cheated.

      Dressage Husband, I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

      Lisa I know what you mean. There are certain celebrities who find a place in our heart and it is difficult for us when they let us down so blatantly.

      Linda, I too think Karma will have its way, it might already be in action. I laughed at your choice of quote because my kids heard it from me many, many times.

      It is sad Barbara, true or false his reputation is tarnished.

      Ahorseback, you said it very well...celebrityism holds responsibility. I come from an age when we looked up to entertainers and athletes.

      Learn Things those are very enlightening statistics. What you say makes a lot of sense, it's hard to believe these women are looking for fame or fortune at their age from something like this.

      Good point Suzette, his silence is deafening.

      Charmaine from things I've read it's hard to believe his wife didn't know. Every day someone new comes forward, so sad and disturbing.

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      Charmain 3 years ago from Northern Virginia

      It is a very unfortunate situation. It is hard not to believe the allegations when you have 16 women come forward and give very detailed statements. Also, I watched the Associated Press interview and he seemed very uneasy when asked about the allegations. I feel for his wife who is subject to all this negativity. I wonder if she was aware of the allegations long before it hit the fan. Also, what about all the other people who covered for him. More recently, it was revealed that the author who wrote his biography was aware of at least two of the allegations. He now has made a public apology stating he should have investigated the issue further. If the allegations are true, it is more disturbing of all those who helped cover it up, then the actual crime committed by Bill Cosby.

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      Suzette Walker 3 years ago from Taos, NM

      I am saddened to have to say this, but I believe the women. If what they are saying is false why isn't he suing for slander or defamation to his reputation and now, ability to practice his craft and make money? His silence is deafening. Just a sad situation all the way around.

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      Learn Things Web 3 years ago from California

      People rarely lie about being raped. The number of false claims is around 2%-8%. And some of those "false claims" involve victims who recant their accusations because they fear their abuser or because they feel re-victimized after going to the police. When you have multiple accusers, the odds of them all lying is insanely low. Plus, the statute of limitations is up, so these accusers can't pursue civil action. So, they're not doing it for money. Some are elderly now, so the idea of them being attention seekers is unlikely. Everything points toward the allegations being true.

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      ahorseback 3 years ago

      There is a huge deficit of trust ,understanding and honesty in the culture of sex and mankind , when women come forward and especially in these numbers , " where there's smoke , there's fire "? ............ I believe that the truth IS coming out . If it was one woman ? Different story , yet what if there was only one ! Bill Cosby - is the funniest man alive , too bad he's quite likely also, a powerful and wealthy abuser of women , and has broken the trust that comes with celebrity-ism ! .......:-}

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      Barbara Badder 3 years ago from USA

      I always loved Bill Cosby and am disappointed to hear all this. He was a good figure for young black men and it seems like that will be all wiped out.

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      Linda Bilyeu 3 years ago from Orlando, FL

      I don't know what to believe, but I do know if he is guilty then karma will get him. I feel for his wife and of course the women who were supposedly violated. One quote of Bill's that I've used for years and will continue to use is, "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out!" My daughters never appreciated the humor in that as much as I do! :)

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      Bill De Giulio 3 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Mary. Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Sixteen women! It's hard to believe that many women could make this stuff up. I guess you never really know someone, especially when all we see of them is their television personality. I don't know if this will ever wind up in a court of law but I think the court of public opinion thinks that he did this. Great hub.

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      Lisa VanVorst 3 years ago from New Jersey

      I too grew up with Bill Cosby the tv actor/comedian. Nothing shocks me on the news anymore. I want to believe he is the funny father and comedian who has caused me to laugh uncontrollably. However he is also a regular person who just happens to be a male and famous actor/comedian. Haven't there been so many others accused of such crimes? I will let the law enforcement and if it goes to jury, let them decide. It would disappoint me if it were true. Just as I was so disappointed with Robin Williams committing suicide. Of course these two issues are different, but when you hear of something negative happening to someone who brought you such laughter, well it is very disappointing.

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      Stephen J Parkin 3 years ago from Pine Grove, Nova Scotia, Canada

      Its not yet possible to be sure, but his current behavior and refusal to categorically deny it tells me he is keeping some secrets so I tend to agree that he probably is a rapist and hid behind his fame. Rather like the ex Canadian Radio host Jian Gomechi.

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      Audrey Hunt 3 years ago from Idyllwild Ca.

      This is very sad and brings up a kaleidoscope of emotion. If this is true, I feel cheated. He represented one thing while being something different.

      This is not easy to write about but you've presented this well. Thank you Mary. - Audrey

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      Peg Cole 3 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Yes, for sure, Mary. I do understand what you're talking about. It's a wonder we made it out of the seventies. Those were some tough times in the workplace.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I know of some of your past incidents and I am so sorry you had to go through them. I can relate more than you know. Sometimes though the innocent suffer because of fear of reprisal or the he said she said.

      I tried to be unbiased with an aching heart and a questioning mind it wasn't easy. Your comparison to Jerry Sandusky is a good one.

      Thanks for stopping by.

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      Peg Cole 3 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Mary, I read this with much interest, having had the same "chocolate cake" fun memories from his comedic days gone by. As much as I want to believe in this actor's innocence, from personal experience, I know how some of these fast move operators take advantage of youthful, starry-eyed admirers. Too many bosses whose casual remarks were actually inuendo, too many touchy feeley moves when no one else could see and so much more.

      Fame tends to exclude these actors (comedians, politicians, football coaches) from the reality of values that they try to project in their roles. As a victim, I never reported things I should certainly have made known, if only to protect others. The shame and humiliation was not worth a battle of he said, she said.

      You have done a great job here letting us decide for ourselves on this man's innocence or guilt. Sixteen women is a mighty convincing number. It reminds me of Jerry Sandusky when the witnesses started coming out of the woodwork.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Oops, that's Walt Frazier not Wilt Chamberlain.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Nell you've had your own celebrities over there with sexual abuse problems. Good point you make though. There are groupies who will stop at no lengths to spend "time" with a star but where does free choice end?

      Oh my GF Paula. You can "butt" in any time. I loved your story! I have a feeling you have many more to tell. My daughter was asked for her phone number by Wilt Chamerlain and was flirted with by Eric Estrada. Note, this was my daughter, not me, she has many like stories to tell. Anyway, I stray from the point you make so well. "Taking advantage" can often seem like their right, at least to them, but we know it is no one's right.

      Always Exploring, your point for the other side is well made as well. I saw the movie too and cried. We are hearing more and more of men being released from prison, 20 and 30 years later when a main witness changes his/her testimony. As I said, we are neither judge nor jury just bystanders wondering what's going on!

      Faith, you too make a good point, however, I believe there is a statute of limitations in civil law as well. I know when I worked for an attorney, personal injury cases had to be filed within three years of the occurrence. The answer is as you said, sad all around!

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Well, with the statute of limitations having run, I guess the truth will never come out, but they can all file civil suits against him. Just as is the case with powerful and very popular public officials, unfortunately people are intimated to file anything for fear of no one believing them or retaliation of some sort, especially when the person is well-liked throughout an entire state, or in this case, the entire country and around the world. Sad all around for sure.

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      Ruby Jean Richert 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I must say that I will not judge him until he is proven guilty. There are so many people who go after a celebrity for money. There are men in prison today who were charged with rape and their accusers are coming forward to say that they lied. ( Why this is happening, I'm unsure of. ) I guess the movie I watched a couple nights ago is baring on my mine, ' The green mile. ' It broke my heart. A man put to death for raping a child, he was a gentle man who wouldn't swat a fly. Sixteen women is definitely hard to overlook. Interesting article Mary. I hope he is innocent. I used to love his show. sigh..

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      Linda Crist 3 years ago from Central Virginia

      The more I learn about politicians and Hollywood celebrities the more I wonder where it will all end. Role models are a scarce commodity these days. Bill Cosby is a real disappointment. Two generations grew up with him and spoke so emphatically about how young black men should step up and take responsibility for their children and families, I was so proud of him. Not any more. He only proved that he knew how to take advantage of the spotlight. Guess that wasn't all he was taking advantage of, was it? So sad.

      You wrote a fantastic article! Voted up!

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Sorry to horn in on your hub comments GF...but I got a real chuckle out of Sha's comment about OJ.

      Sha....honey.....OJ was a Buffalo Bill's major Star. Back in the day (MANY years ago--when this innocent-little ole granny) was out and about....the Bills all hung out in the clubs in Buffalo. My friends and I ran into OJ & his gang every week-end. I spoke face to face with him numerous times. Once I was backing up to see into the crowd and I backed into him and stepped on his foot. I turned around to apologize...(He was massive of course) and he flashed his handsome smile at me and said something to the effect that he knew of something I could do to make up for stepping on his foot.....can't be repeated here.

      "clean-cut American guy".....he was not, is not and obviously never will be.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hiya mary, we don't know him so well over here, but of course we know of him. I tend to think that these famous people believe its their right to do as they please, they think its funny at the time, not rape, but manipulating a woman into sex, that's how they see it, their opinion is, well if they are going to throw themselves at me I will take advantage, is it rape? god knows, because I have no idea!

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Like you Sha I don't know what to believe. There is mounting evidence on both sides but who has the right to be judge and jury?

      He has always been a "family" man and yet so many are coming forward saying otherwise. I think Paula is right, its time for him to retire and put an end to the speculation. I'm sure the women involved won't let it die but if he's out of the limelight it will be easier on his wife and family.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Mary, I was shocked when I heard the allegations. When I think of Bill Cosby I think of Cliff Huxtable. When I think of his comedy, I think 'clean'.

      This is very disheartening. It takes me back to OJ Simpson. Another, clean cut All-American guy. I didn't want to believe he could murder two people, but the evidence spoke otherwise.

      I'd like to know why these woman waited until they could not longer bring charges up in court? And why now? All at the same time.

      I don't want to believe the charges.

      When I watched the first video (his stand-up routine about grandparents), I couldn't help but notice how angry he looks. His eyebrows are knit and his eyes look pissed.

      I don't know what to believe. The man has poor eyesight and is in his 80s now. Is that why the women waited? Are they assuming he's too old to fight? And what do they get out of it? Statute of limitations ran out long ago. I just don't understand it. I don't know who to believe.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I would have to agree Paula. Time to go!

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      If I was in a position to offer Mr. Cosby advice: "Look, it's time to RETIRE. You've made don't need the money. At this point, you damned sure don't need the exposure or publicity. Go home, relax and live out the rest of your life in QUIET contemplation. Your days of being in the lime might are over. Don't be greedy. Try humility for a while."

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Either way Paula, you're right. It will die down with time but I think sponsors, concert halls, and tv stations will be leary for a long time.

      Purportedly the women do not want money. Obviously if they did they could've done something about that by now.

      Damn I hate things like this!

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I realize they can't have him charged or taken to criminal court...but they can certainly sue in a civil action....or he can try to PAY them off to zip it! This is going to be just more past gossip in a few weeks...until the public goes on to someone else.

      He's lost a lot of fans I'm sure.....and mostly he's lost respect and credibility. I was never really much of a fan actually.....but now he just sickens me. I'm afraid I don't doubt these stories for a second.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Mary it certainly is a conundrum for those of us who will never have the real truth.

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      Men of power and wealth sometimes take advantage of women, and then there are women who get a "kick" out of having sex with powerful men. Just look at all the politicians who have been caught!

      I would hope for his sake, these allegations are false, but I would not be at all surprised if they turn out to be true.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      jpcmc this whole thing about Bill Cosby is shocking. A higher judge will judge him.

      Paula, as I've said this whole thing breaks my heart. How true, it is very possible we created the monster by giving him such fame and adulation. He really can't just pay these women off, the statute of limitations has run out so there is no going to court. I can't see any way to actually settle this and find out the truth. Unless a more recent incident is brought to life it will just continue with speculation.

      Jodah no man is above the law though many think they are. I heard about Rolf Harris. The sad thing is sexual abuse of children and/or women has always been with us but only lately has it been publicized, so much so that it's sickening. We'll never know the truth about Bill Cosby.

      YouGet1Shot there is no justice here as it is too late. Publicity - yes. Unfortunately even if he is innocent he is now losing jobs and will probably be almost banned by his own employers. However, if he is guilty one could say that is karma.

      Steel Engineer it is ironic isn't it?

      Frank, even one of your marvelous stories couldn't compare to the irony of this situation. There can be no trials and there can really be no way of knowing the truth, at least not for us. Unfortunately he has already been tried by future employers who have cancelled appearance after appearance.

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      Frank Atanacio 3 years ago from Shelton

      I agree 100 with Faith's first segway into her comment: I believe that all have the right to not be vilified in the media and are innocent until proven guilty... and I leave it at that.. period..

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      Steel Engineer 3 years ago from Kiev, Ukraine

      Since he has been outspoken about the evil in this world, it is really no surprise that character assassination is now underway. Meanwhile, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are disgusting bottom feeders.... but lauded as heroes.

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      Chris Desatoff 3 years ago from USA

      Rapists say the darnedest things. Bah-doo-ba-diddle-fiddley-doo-bsh.

      I loved all Bill's shows as a kid, and this is really sad to think that the allegations are true. But if even Lisa Bonet is confirming it (assuming that was really her)??? Wow. That does not look good.

      Nobody should be above the law, and hopefully justice will be done here and these victims can get some closure.

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      This is a sad state of affairs Mary. I have always been a Bill Cosby fan since the days of "I Spy". His stand up comedy act was the very first show I ever attended when he came to Australia when I was about 18. I have owned numerous records and tapes and loved his tv shows. Now I find him accused of raping these women and that he has face other accusations before and I cannot discount them, not so many.

      I was also a Rolf Harris fan and he was found guilty and charged of similar offences (though his were with underage girls and it appears Bill Cosby's were adults). I am sure many other abusers will be very nervous as these cases show it is never too late to be tried for your crimes (although Bill Cosby still needs to be seen as innocent until proven guilty I suppose). Thank you for this unbiased and well written hub. Voted up.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Till.....First of all, wonderful, fair and factual and I applaud you for taking on this current sensitive piece of publicity.

      I haven't a single problem believing the allegations of these women. The reality is, from the very first moment this was brought out in the media, I recall calmly thinking....."another pervert surprise at all."

      If Bill Cosby was not who he is.....but just an ordinary unknown citizen who worked at the local grocery store and lived on Main St USA.....there would be no shock, surprise, controversy or media storm. Fact: he IS at his core, just another human being. WE are the creators of his fame, popularity and celebrity. Ironically, these are the very things that create what is believed to be an invisible shield for these otherwise average individuals. Their life becomes live fantasy and it allows them false immunity.

      These women will be helped and protected by some...vilified by others. In the end....due to his enormous wealth, he will not be harmed nor suffer as Mr. Main St America. He will pay these women off in money and go off in freedom to simply live his life.

      He has known this all along. Why on earth should any of this be difficult for us to understand?............Great work, Til UP++++pinned & tweeted

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      JP Carlos 3 years ago from Quezon CIty, Phlippines

      This is indeed a shocking update on Bill Cosby. I love watching him when I was younger. But of course all I know about him is from what I watched long ago. I just hope that this is not true. If it is, then he has to pay for his crimes.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I think you are right Faith. In his latest interview he was very rude and obviously uncomfortable. As they have said for ages, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. Btw you would've been a great behavioral analyst.

      Bill, sometimes it seems as if our past is crashing down around us.

      Bob it is certainly a sticky wicket. Who knows who is right or who is wrong? The numbers here do lead one way. Yes we do have a statute of limitations and none of these cases can be tried. Fear plays a big part here as it does in any assault case.

      Martie your last sentence says it all, "May he get what he deserves."

      You're most welcome Rebecca. I'm sure everyone has their own thoughts on this.

      Yes Maria. He even told the reporter to tell his superiors not to air that part of the interview, then told his publicist to make sure it didn't air (I saw the interview too.). I am crushed and want to believe he is innocent but too many women, including those not assaulted, are pointing to him doing all those terrible things.

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      Maria Jordan 3 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      Dear Mary,

      Your information, analysis and interpretation of these issues are objective, balanced and show the difficulty so many of have in wanting to believe obvious facts about Bill Cosby - who is not to be confused with his media persona of an 'all-American Dad'.

      I saw Cosby with his beautiful wife sitting by his side, now the epitome of a dirty OLD man, in a recent interview with an AP reporter. He was evasive, disrespectful and patronizing to this reporter...never realizing it would go live on the World News Tonight.

      I agree with Theresa (Faith's) comment...his body language said it all to me.

      Most of all, I'm so glad people are believing these poor women.

      Sure 'wish' this was fiction but it sure is fine writing. Love, Maria

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      Rebecca Mealey 3 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

      I think you have analyzed the situation correctly. Sad. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

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      Martie Coetser 3 years ago from South Africa

      This kind of truth always shocks me. He was such a role model via Cliff, and now this truth? I say truth, because 16 women with the same charge cAn not be ignored. May he get what he deserves.

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      diogenes 3 years ago from UK and Mexico

      WE have too many of these celebrity rape cases in the UK now: Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris, to name but two. The scenario is the same: women accuse the celeb male of rape or sexual abuse, etc., that occurred many years ago. There is seldom any evidence except their word. Then all the militant feminists begin braying and in matriarchal Britain the voice of the accused is seldom heard . We should have a statute of limitations, as I believe you do in the US?? It seems all too often as if minor celebrity and/or money is the motivation behind all these women coming out of the woodwork after 20 years or more. WE also have a current case of a footballer who was convicted or rape, served his time, and is now not being allowed to resume his career due to public fury. They are screaming for him to apologise, but the player still denies the rape and is appealing his conviction...

      Why did NONE of these women come forward at the time? All too often, I think they are or were groupies associating with the star so his fame would rub off on them and the rape was more imagined than real.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No matter how this turns out, it is sad. I think you spoke for a great many people in this article....a bit of my remaining innocence dies when I hear of things like this....not sure how much I have left. :)

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      When I think of Bill Cosby, that monologue about the chocolate cake always comes to my mind too, first, especially when we eat chocolate cake.

      I believe that all have the right to not be vilified in the media and are innocent until proven guilty. Having stated that, however, after listening to the women and all of what you have pointed out here too, Mary, sadly, my intuition always kicks in on these matters, and it is saying he is a rapist. My intuition is almost always 99% correct.

      I hope and pray I am wrong, but my gut is also leaning toward him as a rapist. Before the field of a Behavioral Analyst came to be known of so widely, I have always been keenly aware of body language, tone of what is being said and what is not being said, and all the rest, and I just seem to know when someone is being untruthful. I wish I had majored in that field in college.

      What I had always admired about Bill Cosby is that he never really used any bad language, except one time when talking about cocaine, and it wasn't that bad. Oh, well ... we can never truly know the person behind the persona it seems.

      Up +++ and away

      Bold hub!


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