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DC vs Marvel. The Dark Knight Rises vs The Avengers.

Updated on October 24, 2012

The ultimate nerd debate...


I get that everyones pumped up about the Avengers. It’s what everyone loves about Super Hero movies. Its corny, cheesy, charming, and predictable.
It leaves 8 year old kids running around in costumes, and allows adults to suspend their adult reality for an hour or two.
And that’s cute.
Marvel can have fun with that.
But what [Dark Knight Trilogy Director] Christopher Nolan did with Batman far exceeds anything [Avengers Director] Joss Whedon has ever done. He took a character with an equally cheesy history (we remember the tights and catch-phrases), and transformed an iconic super hero movie into a real trilogy.
Comparing The Avengers and DKR is like comparing Transformers to Pulp Fiction. Transformers is so much fun and you’re going to make a lot of money, but Pulp Fiction is a movie with a spine and you better get a sitter.
I mean, honestly… can you really compare the two? When it Marvels history and DC’s cinematic history, its not even close.


The Punisher movies, which have been “re-booted” three times and never get off the ground, the incredibly corny Tobey Macguire Spidermans, and don't forget the horribly cheesy Fantastic four movies, highlighted only by the waning beauty of Jessica Alba, ya know, when she wasn’t turning invisible.
The first X-men was pretty good, and then the two following sequels were not only inaccurate but hard to watch. Only worse were the contradictory spin offs, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and First Class, which everyone agreed were inaccurate and stupid.
And then there's the casting.
Do we really need to bring Nic Cages eyebrows into this? Because other than being known as the “Nickleback” of actors, he doesn’t really match up to say, Christian Bale?
But no, its cool we’ll just put a bunch of so-so actors into one CGI machine and see what we can churn out, that’ll show em! We’ve got Robert Downey Jr, who can’t play anything other than the sarcastic jackass that we all know and love, Mark Ruffalo, who… is Mark Ruffalo, Samuel Jackson, who would probably sign up for Batman (If they were that desperate), and the mildly talented Chris Evans. That’s fantastic, the movie relied on special effects and quirky one liners so bad, I’m surprised it wasn’t directed by Michael Bay.

You can seriously overwhelm the casting talent of Marvel with Batman Villains. Don’t believe me?
You've got superstars like Hugh Jackman, Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, Nicolas Cage, Mark Ruffalo, Jessica Alba, Tobey Macguire, Samuel Jackson, Ben Affleck, Ian McKellen, and Scarjo.

And in the Batman movies? You've got Christopher Walken, Jack Nicholson, Aaron Eckhart, Ken Watanabe, Cillian Murphy, Heath Ledger, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey, Tom Hardy, Liam Neeson, Anne Hathaway, Danny DeVito, and this is without mentioning Christian Bale, Morgan Freeman, Michael Cane, George Clooney (despite an awful performance, is still better than Nic Cage) , Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Gary Oldman, Katie Holmes, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Billy Dee Williams, and so many more and may I remind you that these are only the actors involved in Batman movies?
So the stars of Superman Returns, including Kevin Spacey and Brandon Routh count. I’d mention the Green Lantern, but seeing as Ryan Reynolds also played Deadpool, we’ll call him a scratch.
But I’ll gladly take Josh Brolin, John Malkovich, Michael Fassbender, and Megan Fox from Jonah Hex, and whatever weirdos were in the Watchmen.
NOT DONE.
We also have The Losers, so whoops, there goes Chris Evans, and adds the always sexy Zoe Saldana, Add V for Vendetta, so we’ll split Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving (Thor and Captain America), add A History of Violence, with Viggo Mortensen and Ed Harris.
Whoops. My B, we also have the Spirit, so you can add Eva Mendes and take away Scarjo and Sammy J.

But the killer? The real icing on the cake?

Since 1951, DC movies have been nominated for 19 oscars, winning 3.
Now, we all love a box office hit, but considering Twilight and Transformers are among the names we consider “blockbusters” we know that quality has little to do with theatre success. How many Oscars have Marvel Movies won in 70 years?
Zero. Nada boys and girls. Never even nominated, never even nominated for a special effects award.

So you can take your Transformersesque Avengers with your Buffy the Vampire Slayer director, and enjoy your brief moment of success, the first ever, and uh…
Wait for the Dark Knight Rises to come out on DVD and Blu Ray on December 4th.


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      rmcmillen 

      5 years ago

      I loved this article so much I actually went one farther.

      Starting at "Bringing Cinematic Justice To The Justice League And The DC Universe As a Whole (Part 1)" *with parts 2,3 and 4 also to be found* I have laid out what I think could be DC's perfect answer to the Avengers movie........ take a gander if ya got the time.

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      rmcmillen 

      5 years ago

      It is the ultimate nerd debate, that's for sure... and it is a debate I gladly have any chance I get, but truth be told, as I sort of elude to in my review of Iron Man 3 at "Iron Man 3 Through The Eyes Of A Real Fanboy".... I really don't see it as much of a debate.... to me it is frankly obvious..... at least with Nolan's Knight as opposed to Iron Man... especially 2 and 3. I'll take Nolan's Knight at any given time, especially since (in this last installment) Iron Man tried so hard to rip off some of the best elements of TDKR..... and continuously fell short while trying to do so.

      Just my opinion thought.

    • Ryan Daniel Smith profile imageAUTHOR

      Ryan Smith 

      5 years ago

      My only problem with the suggested Justice League movie is that they would have to remake Batman. I don't think Christopher Nolan or Christian Bale would sign on.

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      James Dawn 

      5 years ago from New York

      One thing i want to add in it is...Warner Bros is ready for Justice League which is coming against Avengers 2 in 2015.

    • BeyondGS profile image

      BeyondGS 

      5 years ago from Ohio

      Finally someone who debates their side on the whole DC vs. Marvel but doesn't completetly trash the other side! I appreciated how you gave your opinion on the matter.

      I agree that Avengers is more of a "fun" movie, but then again that is how Avengers have always been. I grew up loving Batman and thought Christopher Nolan truly captured how I imagined Batman growing up (I loved the Animated Series, always have, always will). I agree with most of what you're saying though. But I do disagree with you about Joss Whedon.

      Christopher Nolan is a pure genius in movie making and is one of my favorites. But I am glad that Joss Whedon is getting some well deserved credit. After firefly and dollhouse were canceled, I didn't know if he'd ever be able to show his creative side on a project. He's one of the smartest writers/directors to never show his full potential. With the Avengers, he finally got that chance.

      I love both movies, but I personally can watch Avengers any day. The batman trilogy I like to watch certain times. Still I'll leave the other films up for debate, that was my 2 cents on the matter of the Avengers vs. Batman movies.

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      Thefilmguy24 

      5 years ago

      I liked your passion on your article, but to say that Marvel has not been nominated for an Oscar is actually inaccurate. I'm not a Marvelite or DC fan since I love both publisher's movies. But actually 2002's Spider-Man was actually nominated at the Oscars for best visual effects and and best sound, it didn't win. 2009 at the 81st Academy Awards, Iron Man was nominated for best visual effects and best sound, and again, it didn't win. I agree with you to a point that Marvel does like to keep things a little light and use a lot of CGI for the effects as to where Nolan used minimal CGI and used practical effects for The Dark Knight Trilogy. I think that the Marvel movies will be better this time around for Phase 2 since Phase 1 was a little cheesy and more of a set up for The Avengers. After seeing the trailer for Iron Man 3 last night, I think that Phase 2 will be a whole lot better since it looks like a darker tone will be presented in most of the films. Good article though. Love the passion. Voted up.

    • Ryan Daniel Smith profile imageAUTHOR

      Ryan Smith 

      5 years ago

      Of course! All opinions are welcome, this is just mine, driven by a lifelong batman obsession.

      While the previous Batman movies were corny, I did enjoy them growing up, so it has those nostalgia points that I wasn't getting from any Marvel movies.

      I think Evans' portrayal of Captain America was too stiff. I realize he has to be Mr. Boyscout, but he's just impossible to connect with, kinda like Superman.

      And Iron Man, while fun, is kinda spoiled in the sense that before RD Jr. played him, nobody really cared. He was a secondary character at best and now I feel like he's the face of Marvel. Batman and Robin was the worst super hero movie I've ever seen, and the only of the 80s/90s batman movies I do not own. I'd rather sit through Tobey Maguire slobbering a hundred times then deal with the obnoxious puns and yes, George Clooney in that movie.

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      The Reminder 

      5 years ago from Canada

      I couldn't have guessed that you were a DC fanboy! But the comparison you do between actors and movies is not a good one. No matter how good the actor is, if the script is not good the movie is doomed. Yes, the three last Batman movies had solid scripts and performed well at the Oscars, except maybe for the third one, but besides the Nolan movies, what other Batman movies performed well? Batman Forever was shit as well as Batman and Robin. Only the Michael Keaton movie was great, thanks to Jack Nicholson's performance.

      You talk about Tommy Lee Jones like if he had a good performance in Batman Forever but he and the movie were shit. Some Marvel movies, well most of them, had poor scripts. I don't know if you saw the last Spider-Man movie but the attempt was a decent one. Thor had its flaws but I don't see you talking about Captain America, which in my opinion, is very good.

      And you forgot to mention Iron Man being a good movie....but still a great hub worth debating!

      P.S. My comment is purely my opinion and I am not trying to bash your hub. You are right about most of the stuff.

    • Ryan Daniel Smith profile imageAUTHOR

      Ryan Smith 

      5 years ago

      While being mostly a DC fanboy, I do have quite the obsession with Deadpool. While I was thrilled that he finally got some screen time and has a game coming out next year, I was physically ill after X-men origins.

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      Geekdom 

      5 years ago

      I was at Comiccon when Ghost Rider got screened. The audience heckled the entire trailer and then when the director talked about Nicholas Cage having a great "youthful" energy the audience exploded with laughter.

      I did like the first two Sam Raimi Spider-Man and first two X-Men movies.

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