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Did Tupac Shakur Fake His Own Death?

Updated on March 30, 2015
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Is Tupac Shakur Alive?

First, I want to say it’s impossible to prove whether or not 2pac is dead. We only have our personal opinions on whether or not he faked his death, and we won't know who's right until (and if) Tupac himself comes back and proves he is still alive.

That said, there are some theories and reasons why people think he's still alive. Let's dig into those.

Top 10 Reasons Why People Think Tupac Faked His Death

When I started looking into whether or not Tupac is still alive, I was surprised to find that there was more evidence online of him faking his death than there was evidence of him being straight up dead. And when you get into all the reasons of how he faked his death, it doesn't even seem like speculation anymore, it just seems like common sense that he's still alive. Here are the top facts I found that prove he's alive.

Fact #1

When Tupac Shakur was in prison, he read a lot of books. In one of his interviews, he mentioned reading a book on Machiavelli. Niccolo Machiavelli was a 15th century Italian politician and advisor who wrote a lot of books about war. In one of them, he advocated faking your own death to fool your enemies. In fact, he himself faked his death and came back 18 years later, baffling his enemies. Many believed that Tupac was going to come back in 2014 to do the same thing that Machiavelli did. While that didn't happen, some think that this is still a possibility.

Fact #2

Shortly before Tupac's death, he changed his stage name to "Makaveli." He would only do this because he either liked the name, or because he was planning on faking his own death.

Fact #3

On the night of Tupac's death, some people say a fan had taken a picture of him with the window rolled down at a red light that showed him and Suge Knight in the car as if they were about to go off and drive, but the thing is . . . there were no keys in the car. Why would there be no keys in the car? Was that a mistake, or did they do it on purpose?

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Fact #4

On the night of Tupac's death, there are three different stories of how he arrived at the hospital. Why is this? In the first scenario, Tupac was rushed to the hospital by an ambulance. In the second, Suge Knight stated in an interview that he rushed Tupac to the hospital himself. In the third, there was a lady interviewed on the news saying that she saw Tupac going into a helicopter. Why were there three scenarios? Was it done on purpose to create confusion?

Fact #5

Some people brilliantly found out that there is a strange "7" theory surrounding 2pac's "death." He was shot on September 7th and died seven days later. Furthermore, his official time of death was 4:03 AM (4+3=7), he was 25 when he died (2+5=7), and his latest album came out seven months after he died. That album was titled Makaveli The Don Kiluminati: The 7 Day Theory. It goes on and on, so people looked into this theory.

Fact #6

People say that if you rearrange "Makaveli" it forms: K am alive, and if you rearrange "Makaveli The Don Killuminati the 7 Day Theory," it forms: Ok on tha 7th u think I'm dead yet really Im alive. What are the chances of those two things rearranging to that!? Ask any code specialist what the chances are of that being random and you'll find that they're very low.

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Fact #7

On Tupac's album it shows him on a cross like Jesus and says "Exit: Tupac Enter: Makaveli." Some people thought this meant he was going to return and predicted the date of that return to be in 2014, 18 years later like Machiavelli.

Also, Tupac said in a song, "Expect me —— like you expect Jesus to come back expect me ———, I'm comin." (Haha can't use profanity.)

Fact #8

One week after Tupac died, a video came out called "I Ain't Mad at Cha" and it shows Tupac in heaven with a short clip at the beginning of him getting shot and dying. Coincidence?

Fact #9

Many celebrities have stated that Tupac is still alive, such as:

  • New Jack, a former professional wrestler of the ECW
  • Treech, someone who was close with Tupac
  • Suge Knight, who shocked people in 2012 by saying that Tupac wasn't really dead
  • Willow Smith, Jada Pinkett Smith's daughter, who wrote a note to Tupac, saying she knows he's still alive, and asking him to come back to make her mom happy since Jada and Tupac were close

Fact #10

One week after Tupac was pronounced dead, 1000 people from Haiti called police saying they seen Tupac.

My Take

Like I said at the top, we can speculate, but we can never truly know if Tupac faked his death unless he returns. With all that information, though, I think it's easy to see that he did. This is also just a small chunk of it too. If you want more there is a video at the bottom for you to see and you can do research of your own.

Comment and tell me your take! I would be very interested to hear it.

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Listen to the Album and Get Clues Yourself

Proof 2Pac is Alive: Five Extra Reasons

The evidence of Tupac faking his death goes on and on and on. It is really crazy if you get into it. Here are five more reasons for you:

Fact #11

Many artists put secret messages in their songs that you can hear if you play them in reverse. In one of Tupac's songs he says "take time to reverse my songs." When you do this, he says in one song: "Yes Im alive and me missing you."

Fact #12

In the music video for "To Live and Die in LA," Tupac was wearing shoes that hadn't come out until three years after his death.

Fact #13

In Tupac's coroner's report, it says he was 6' tall and weighed 215 pounds. In fact, Tupac was 5'10'' and weighed 165 pounds.

Fact #14

Nobody saw Tupac in the hospital and he was cremated the day after he died, so there was no autopsy, even though it's legally required to have an autopsy after death.

Fact #15

According to Suge Knight, the man who cremated Tupac was paid three million dollars in cash and then he vanished, so there aren't any witnesses to the body.

Chart: Did Tupac Fake His Death?

Reasons for Faking Death
Reasons He Could Be Dead
Reasons for Coming Back if He Did Fake His Death
Tupac had been shot before and his life was in danger
Hospital records show he's dead
To come back after being away from his family and career for a long time
Tupac was on bail for a crime he didn't do
His family says he's dead
To be with his family that he doesn't see much
He didn't want to go back to jail
It's been a long time since he's died and he hasn't come back
To make the greatest comeback ever seen

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Haha yes it's real, I encourage you to do research of your own. But thanks for liking and enjoying it. I like his song's too :)

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Not at all, go for it. :)

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      bOOM 3 years ago

      Okay bout the car, there are two cars in the scene I noticed and the beautiful ones was where Tupac was shot. The car seen in that video was not Tupac's,i mean the car they used. There's another car in that scene.

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Exactly, that's one of the mysteries too bOOM.

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      delilah 3 years ago

      I honestly do believe tupac is alive , but where is hem?

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      Lyvie 3 years ago

      Not impossible Benjamin Goder faked his death in 1986 and is living very rich with all his family who profited from 3 life insurances and several other frauds and living like Kings in Mauritius thanks to the British Government.

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Really!? I've never heard of that.

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      HYPEBEAST 3 years ago

      7 Day Theory

      7th Day equals 7th of July, Monday equals Mon plus th equals July 7th Month

      2 plus 0 plus 1 plus 4 equals 7

      7 plus 7 plus 7 equals 21

      7 plus 7 equals 14

      1 minus 1 equals 0  equals 2014

      Coincidence?

      7.7.2014

      Makaveli returns

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      fletcher 3 years ago

      This article got me thinking its definitely weird but if he came back they throw him in jail anyway right?

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      I don't think so, apparently if your life has been attempted on twice, your legally allowed to fake your own death. So who knows... He might be back.

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      Rob Warburton 3 years ago

      I have been convinced for more than 10 years Pac is chilling somewhere enjoying life waiting for 2014 and find it quite ironic in 'Changes' he stated '...we ain't ready to see a black president'. Really hope he returns :)

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      Tim 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      He's off chillin in the Bermuda Triangle with Biggie, Elvis, JFK, and Marilyn Monroe.

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      2pac 3 years ago

      Im alive!!

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      Eazy E 3 years ago

      Me too!!

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      2pac lover 3 years ago

      i think hes still alive if I found out that he is I will hate him because he left his famly and fans

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      "If" he did. He did it for a good cause.

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      love tupac 3 years ago

      I think he is, but not sure he is coming back... I mean, if he faked his death to fool his enemies and comes back, some of his enemies that may be still alive, they can murder gim... anyway i hope not and I support him in each case... HOPE YOU ARE ALIVE MAKAVELI

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      ty 3 years ago

      Rap needs 2pac back. Waiting for 2014...I miss him.

      If he doesn't, we need to let him RIP. If he does, I want front row tickets to first tour!

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      elijah 3 years ago

      He is alive. Check this video out thug life 2013

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      2Pac4Lyfe 3 years ago

      you people can't just let him go can you , I mean every time a celebrity dies this bullshit starts all over again , HIS GODDAMN MOTHER says he's dead so let the man Rest in peace will you !!

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      2Pac4Lyfe Let the people have their own opinion. And yes, of course, his mother is going to holler "my son faked his death".

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      ANUVAHOOD 3 years ago

      2014 COME ON

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      2pacalypse 3 years ago

      I don't understand how the picture of Pac and Suge says it was taken on the 8th of Sept. Yet it was clear he was shot at around 11:15 pm on sept 7.

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      Tim 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      2pacalypse - That's the point! he's still alive!

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      ed 3 years ago

      i think he he is alive

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      cy 3 years ago

      He is living in cuba with his aunt bc she hiding from the police too

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      ThugLife 3 years ago

      I may not be old enough to know tupac as I was only 2 when he apparently died but I know he's not dead!! The autopsy photo was fake it was taken from the end scene of California love and tupac shakur's mother has never said he's dead she says many things and why is it that on his police mugshot it says he's around 5'11 but the autopsy says he's 6'11 and also it says he's 61 pounds heavier?? I hope he does come back and prove you haters wrong but each to their own opinion I love tupac and he's music long live the king of ghetto!!!

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      ThugLife 3 years ago

      And also the state that he 'died' in you can actually pay anyone off? Police doctors anyone!! And his funeral was cancelled 2 Times and never rearranged? And I'll leave you with a mind boggling question yous all think that he'll get jailed cause of faking his death well your wrong cause if he's dead? Why hasn't his life insurance been claimed??

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      makaveli 3 years ago

      im south africa to berie madiba

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      Mc Joe 3 years ago

      I believe that the guy sharkur is alive but let no one predict his he return.

      the ones he is running from are still alive and waiting for him.

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      Truth be told 3 years ago

      Pac ment what he said. But the Main thing is they Would not throw him jail because in Las Vegas it's not illegal to fake your death and it not illegal to pay someone off. Point 2 Tupac loved Jada and would not like her to be with Will....well that part i don't know.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Guys everyone has their own opinion but please don't confuse others by stating things you don't know are true. This is what makes it hard to figure out the truth. I've been studying this topic for a couple years. I do believe he is indeed alive but I didn't at first. In fact the whole reason I started looking into Tupac's mysterious death was to see if I could crack the mystery as to who killed him. I remember staying up for countless hours at night looking into this only to find out such things as he was cremated the day after he "died", there weren't any pictures of him after his "death" or while he was in the hospital, the whole event occurred within 7 days from the day he was shot which happened to be the 7th to the day he died which was Friday September 13th. All these coincidences plus the fact that they never really stick to one story with the whole how he got to the hospital, what happened in the hospital, etc... So I came to the conclusion that he wasn't dead and that he was in fact still alive. I studied his music. I was already a fan but when people listen to music they never really "listen" to it. His songs contained many subliminal messages which added to the coincidences. I also tried to find evidence suggesting he is dead but to no avail. The supposed autopsy picture is indeed a fake. And contrary to what 2Pac4Lyfe said his mother did not out right say he is dead, as a matter of fact there is an interview in which she talks about her son and uses some weird phrases such as "in the end he chose to leave quietly." I do not know if he will return as I am not guaranteeing he is alive just saying the evidence highly suggests it. Time will tell. 2014 is close. Is he alive? Probably. That explains why I can't find out who were the shooters no matter how many hours I spend studying the lives of everybody connected to 2Pac, friends, family, and enemies. Who do I think killed 2Pac? I believe 2Pac killed 2Pac and gave birth to Makaveli. If he returns, that's who we will see. Exit: 2Pac Enter: Makaveli

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      Iloveandmisstupac 3 years ago

      I spent ages looking into this and I believe he is alive, I hope so as well. also isn't the rapper 'black haze' ment to be tupac? (A discuise)

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yeah there's a few rappers who "sound" like Tupac. Some more than others. There's The Realest who if you ask me doesn't really resemble Pac much. Blac Haze who does sound a bit like him and does have a similar flow along with similar lyric styles. Then there's Kasinova Tha Don who is a bit different. He sounds the most like Pac but he does have videos on YouTube of him free styling and in the studio and he does seen to talk the same way he raps. However he is way too suspicious with some of his Facebook posts. Definitely one to check out if you have the chance. Also another interesting thing to ponder. You know how you can rearrange the letters of the Don Killuminati album and spell the whole yet I'm alive thing and there won't be any left over letters? Well you know how Tupac's other rap name Makaveli is a play on the name of the philosopher Niccolo Machiaveli? Everyone knows that if you rearrange Makaveli you can spell Am Alive but there's a problem. There's a K left over. This K is also missing from Blac Haze's name who spells his name Blac rather than Black. Then Kasinova Tha Don gets his name from the historical figure Giacomo Casanova. What's weird about this? Rather than spelling his name with a C Kasinova spells it with a K. He is the K left over in Makaveli and the one missing in Blac Haze. It all connects it all makes sense. Now put together all the theories with the 7's and the messages in the songs and the circumstances surrounding his death and do your research on who Tupac was and how intelligent he was and you will realize that the odds are in favor of the side supporting the idea that Tupac indeed faked his death. We may never know. The only way we will know is if he comes back or puts out a new album saying he's alive because it will be very difficult to prove he is dead. Because most likely he isn't.

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      DOA 3 years ago

      Dnt get ur hopes high..

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Hey DOA you never know. He could be dead, he could be alive. If he is alive then he could stay hidden, or he could come back. Who knows? There are a few people who know what happened that night on September 7th 1996. Was there actually even a shooting or was it staged. Who was in on it if it was. Was it a real shooting and did he just decide to tell everyone except a few people that he was dead. The only person that has to know for sure has to be his mother who supposedly told the doctors to pull the plug at precisely 4:03 on Friday September 13th on the 7th day of the incident. Coincidence? Maybe.

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      Makaveli 3 years ago

      he still alive n when he returns it's a rap so expect him to come back like jesus he coming 7 theory

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      exile 3 years ago

      the thing is that he might be alive but why come back if they want to kill him THE TRUTH world need him but better like that be somewhere alive:'( wish he come back !!!

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      Truth 3 years ago

      It's true that people did want him dead but you have to consider that many of those people are either dead themselves or locked up now. Plus the old gangsta era of rap is over. You won't see Lil' Wayne put a hit on Kendrick Lamar. So who would Pac have to be concerned about if he came back? Perhaps Puffy but would Puffy risk his wealth, fame, and livelihood to get back at an old enemy who he thought was already dead. Is he really that dumb? Maybe 2Pac was that smart. That he planned all that out in advanced and thought every outcome out including what would happen should he return. What he should worry about is this "Illiminati." However if they do indeed kill him if he returns. It will all be a trap to reveal the illuminati. For no matter how they make it appear he died everyone would know the truth. So then would the "Illuminati" be foolish enough to reveal themselves by assassinating Tupac after people had already suspected them for killing him the first time. If he is alive he has a plan. He's always had a plan.

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      not truth 3 years ago

      So Truth, i guess now we wait huh?

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      ii 3 years ago

      If you take away the K on Makaveli then it stands im alive

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yep, now we just wait and see.

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      Pacslife 3 years ago

      There's all this stuff about 7 Day Theory and it all adds up that he's coming back 7.7.14 and I think he faked his death and in a interview with his mom she says "his music made people angry" also his aunty was a convict and escaped prison and moved to Cuba so he might of moved there so he could live peacefully for a few years or so. There's this bit in a song but it's a remix and I don't know the original song but he says"my enemies want to see me dead" so he probably did it to kill off his enemies because the wouldn't expect it because he had been shot quite a lot so try would of thought he's shot again and he's dead.

      A lot of rappers,singers,actors ect who were every close to 2pac might have lied to keep it secret from fans,enemies of pac so they wouldn't expect him to come back. Personally I think pac is alive and with his aunty and is coming back in 7.7.14,but that is my opinion..

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      Ryan 3 years ago

      Also if you noticed recently jada and will smith broke up....maybe because jada smith is getting back together with PAC because he is returning this year

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      like eminem told... 3 years ago

      rap wouldn't be the same if tupac wouldn't move to CUBA

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Naw Ryan look it up... Will and Jada aren't split up. Plus Jada and Will being together has nothing to do with Pac. Pac would be happy just as long as she is happy.

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      sifundo 3 years ago

      rap game changed b.coz 2pac died...pple were afraid of 2pac..i respect tht man...R.I.P man

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      Savysofly 3 years ago

      TUPAC COME OUT NOW

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      Mj 3 years ago

      2014 he would be turning 43 yrs old. 4+3= 7!

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      PAC4life 3 years ago

      PAC is alive an waiting. We just have to wait as well. I think he is alive but not sure if he will come back if not R.I.P tupac

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      Jackie 3 years ago

      The only fault in your theory is that if you watched some interviews on YouTube from his family members after his death, you would hear one of his close friends say "Pac always had everything planned ahead. Like he would come to me and say 'if I die this way, put this out or if I die this way, release this.' Nothing was ever a surprise to him." Now I am a strong believer that Tupac is alive and coming back. I would love him to come back because this generations music sucks, but we need to face the facts, I think we all are taking this a little too far. Tupac always had things preplaned. You could tell in the picture that he was upset. He knew that night he was going to die, or maybe he knew that he would have to face his long journey of hiding. Who knows! But either way Rest in Peace Pac. Dead or alive.

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      MAKAVELI7 3 years ago

      HE LIVES ON GUYS..HE'LL BE BACK!

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yeah Jackie I've seen that, it was Shock G talking bout Pac always having a plan. The pictures on the other hand, I don't know what I think about those. Those are a bit shady to me. Looking at the videos of people trying to prove them fake taking other old pictures of Pac and putting it over it and showing that they look exactly alike, and showing that there's no key in the ignition, and showing that the date on the picture is wrong make it skeptical. Who knows maybe there we're push start cars back then I still have figured that out for sure. Maybe he had the same facial expression and facial hair style in the picture and his head just happened to be tilted at the same angle. And perhaps the photographer just developed the film the next day. Who knows. We'll all know 100% by Dec 31 12:00 midnight this year if he'll come back or not. If not it's a shame. Does it mean he's dead? Absolutely not. Will the alive theories continue? Saying that he doesn't come back this year they most likely continue until it gets to the point where he'd be too old to be alive. I'm one of the biggest supporters of the alive theories and even I'm giving him only this year to return. But if he does not hey, I'll just catch his next album.

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      Gibbs 3 years ago

      One thing is certain, and that is that modern pop & rap has been raped 7 days from sunday. Pac could fix this filth that's out now... I wanna think he's alive; we all need Pac right now.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Haha, you really think modern music is that bad huh? Well maybe it is. It would definitely benefit if Pac was alive and came back. I'm finding it hard to fathom that he will come back but who knows? I'm currently trying to find information to prove he is dead. There are some interesting arguments with the autopsy. I found a picture where someone pointed out that the Makaveli tattoo could be there but it's just hard to see. Other arguments state that it would be impossible to photoshop something that impressive in the 90's. Or that in the autopsy picture you can see where the doctors stitched him up where they removed his lung plus where a bullet hit him. It is arguably the best evidence supporting the claim he is dead. However the counterpoints against it are not to be ignored either. He is seen in the same position in the California Love video which is sketchy plus the whole Makaveli neck tattoo situation. Basically whoever figures out if the autopsy is real or not figures out if he is alive or not in my opinion.

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      Rich 3 years ago

      Pac faking his death had nothing to do with Rap. It's way bigger than rap. When he comes back he will be a revolutionary. A general for the people. 6/13/2014

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Those are some bold claims Rich. You believe he'll return three days before his birthday. Interesting but I'd like for you to explain more. Elaborate on your theory. Who knows if him faking his death, if he did because we can't rule out the possibility he didn't, but if he faked his death maybe he just wanted out the rap game. It didn't have to be some master plan to become the president of the United States or to return to destroy the Illuminati. Who knows though right. There are so many theories and supporting evidence for all of them which makes this topic so interesting for me. I'm calling it, I think if he returns these are the dates. 4/20/14 which I believe is the last day of the Coachella concert and it's Easter a biblical day known for Ressurection. Another weird thing is that the 20 and 14 make 2014 so take that as you will. Another date I'm looking out for is 6/16/14 which is his birthdate. He would be turning 43. 4 + 3 = 7. We all know the theories with the 7's. Another date could be 7/7/14 just because the 7's but I doubt it. But the days I'll be paying extra attention to will be the notorious 7 days. 9/7/14, 9/8/14, 9/9/14, 9/10/14, 9/11/14, 9/12/14, and last but certainly not least 9/13/14. If he does not return by 9/13/14 I will abandon belief that he will return although he could shock us all and return on 12/31/14 but what are the odds? Haha One thing you have to remember is that just because he does not return does not necessarily mean he is dead. It does support the idea that he is dead but it also supports the idea that he just wanted out of the spotlight away from all the bullshit the world had to offer. One day the truth will be revealed I know it and if not 50 years from now Pac would be dead anyway so the argument would be over anyway. This year is the year it all culminates. This is the peak, the climax, the culmination. Will he return? If he does what will happen? What will it mean for the future? If he doesn't where do the alive conspiracies go from here? Do they make up a new date? That would be stupid. I will refuse to believe he will return if he does not return this year but as long as I find no proof that he is dead then I will continue to believe he is alive. I will keep you guys posted.

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      Daniel 3 years ago

      I hearded in a documentary, the same as where they ask the doctor about the weight differences that his social security number was still active. The interview was with Katja Schuurman from Dutch TV, wich includes a interview with the mother of Tupac, in 2000, 2001 i think. I don't hear anything about Assata and Cuba in your research? And check if it is legal to fake your own death, after how many years, and check if it is illegal to fake your artistname death? Maybe he lives under the name Tyrell Lesane or something? When he died they say he had one or two bankaccounts, one with 6000 us dollars, the other with maybe 100k. If you check the moneystreams, the cashflow, than we know more.

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      JoeE 3 years ago

      I just don't know, i really don't.

      as much as id like to believe such things, i can't help but just think its far-fetched. when you see his closest friend and family crying on documentaries? i know that it could all be part of a 'plan' but it just seems too crazy.

      one things for certain, id love to wake up one morning, switch on the news and see the headline 'TUPAC SHAKUR ALIVE'

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      DRAKE 3 years ago

      PAC gon' come back, you'll see.

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      Liam 3 years ago

      From the evidence upon evidence ive seen theres more proof to show he's alive then dead. His music is crazily good and in the back of my head im always thinking "what if he did die" but all we can do is pray, pray hard and pray some more, legend neve die. Expect my back like you expect jesus!!

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yes Assata Shakur his aunt lives in Cuba and have you heard of a woman named Nehanda? She supposedly helped take care of Tupac when he was a young child. She also lives in Cuba. Coincidence? Maybe. All we can really do is wait. If he died, he died. We all die. It's inevitable. But just think of the ramifications if he is indeed alive, if he does come back it would not only shock the world but it would change the world. I get asked by everyone when I think he is coming back but I just tell them I don't know if he is. He has a movie that is supposedly being filmed around this time about him similar to Biggie's Notorious but hopefully way better. What if he returned by playing himself in the movie? Haha I haven't heard anything about who's playing him but truthfully I don't know if anyone can capture the charisma and character of Tupac except for Tupac himself. It would be nice to think he would come back but it does seem far fetched, but didn't a few years ago the thought of a 3d realistic hologram of a supposedly deceased musician performing seem far fetched too? People have faked their deaths since the beginning of taxes which is a long time ago. Actually people have faked their deaths before that and for many other reasons. The taxes thing was just a joke. Some of you got it. Haha Anyway Tupac had many reasons as to why he might have faked his death. So why the hell wouldn't he if he suppoesdly knew he was gonna die young? He saw "Death Around the Corner" and you don't think he would do anything about it? Maybe he just wanted it to be all over.

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      To Truth 3 years ago

      Truth, you seem like you're trying to hit every target of information to pin-point it, and "show" that you were right, in an attempt to claim that... you were right.

      Not insulting you or anything, just enlightening you to know, that, you don't need to do it my man. If you were right about all those pin-pointed thoughts that everyone has been thinking, excellent! I just hope you are not doing it in some form of, ego-pleasure.

      But if you are spontaneously a know-it-all, and are just having fun saying what you know, ignore what I just said, lol.

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      anonymous 3 years ago

      Thi2014 Resurrection. This is all very interesting and convincing. Truth, you are very intelligent in all of this, you were more convincing in the comments than any of the information in the article. Also, modern rap has grown....unpleasant. Eminem is still one of the best rappers in my opinion though. Its like this: Tupac started the book of rap, Eminem finished it, Lil' Wayne couldn't figure out how to read it, and Macklemore bought it for 99 cents

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      Soran 3 years ago

      btw hes mother showed on the train with bags full of money from nowhere, why would she have a lot of money and where did it come from?

      well 2pac is getting richer and richer for every year going so 2014 13th june 3 days before he turns 43, he will be dominating the hip hop business again.

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      kristina 3 years ago

      I believe he is alive, but the info on here about the 2 car theory needs to be researched more. Yes, there are pics of two BMW's from that night, the one pac and surge were in and the wagon type BMW belonged to Kidada Jones. frank Alexander was driving it behind surges car at Pac's request, just in case they got to drunk. That is why it seems as if there was two cars and two crime scenes.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      I'm just trying to spread the information my man. Haha. This is all fun for me because the topic is so interesting.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Also, the two car theory is one that is a bit confusing. I've seen some videos regarding the crime scene which contain the so called BMW in it and since the shooting was so late at night it's very hard to see the back of the BMW. Is it a BMW or a BMW Station wagon? The rims on the wheels also have been the center of controversy. Whether or not they were multi spoke rimmed wheels or not, another question is what ever happened to the car after the shooting? Did the police just impound it? Did they search it thoroughly enough for evidence? But then again, the question many ask who bring up the car conspiracy is, was there even a shooting? Was it all like a Hollywood setup type deal? Or did Tupac actually get shot that night and survive but just chose not to tell anybody but the people who needed to know? These are the questions that need to be answered and will be revealed, one day.

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      IMET2PACININDY 3 years ago

      I don't know if pac is alive or not but one things is for sure no rapper has ever had an effect on my life the way 2pac has. Even though i met him for a few short mins in indianapolis at the black expo in the 90s it felt like he was a long lost brother of mine. I hope he comes back hes the g.o.a.t

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      IMET2PACININDY 3 years ago

      Oh shitttt i just stumbled on another weird random fact after reading afeni shakur net worth. She started Makaveli clothling 7 years after pacs death. HMMM.... I know its small but it fits in with the whole 7 theory

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      3 years ago

      Everyone needs to get it out there and start some sort of publicity and build up to a date. Just make it big enough on the news all around the world to make sure he sees it and then just let every 2pac fan sit back and watch if he comes back on that date.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      It's cool how many 7's there are when you really look into the situation.

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      waiting 3 years ago

      Disappear on them ....wait umteen years and reappear on em.. you think its a game but he really watching.

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      Tha Truth 3 years ago

      Tupac faked his death in order to escape the Illuminati, bankers, white collar criminals at the top of this social pyramid. It's obvious. I hope he does return this year and publicly exposes these insane inhumane leaders. People burning qurans and religiously attacking each other due to the manipulation of the gov't. We need Tupac. The World be in unrest

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      marz 3 years ago

      hes coming bak..7.7.14 ...am just a cuzn of hiz.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Please don't ruin shit by trying to impersonate me. I know you used the name Tha Truth but still. And waiting brought up that song Street Kingz by Hussein Fatal. EDI Mean made a video that supposedly had Pac in it called Thug Life 2013. It came out late last year, y'all should check it out along with that song and tell me what you think.

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      texas 3 years ago

      Man if he is alive i don't think he would let people know where he's at remember if he is he's fooling his enemies to think he's in cuba he can be anywhere my be here in tha us don't know i do think he is alive but wont come back he should stay hiding...badass if he is one more thing who puts out 18 albums after they die....j/s

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      Texas 3 years ago

      Look up kasanova on you tube and you can clearly see hes lip singing and that does sound like tupac

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      Catman 3 years ago

      To what Truth commented 4 weeks ago; the illuminati wouldn't kill Tupac. The Illuminati is part of the Freemasons who have no sinister intent and they're a group of higher knowledge nowadays. You can join a local Freemason lodge if u want but it's not like they're attempting to rule the world.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Catman, it is true that you may join a local Freemason lodge, but what you said about the Illuminati being apart of Freemasonry is completely false. The Freemasons are the pathway to the Illuminati. One of the various pathways I might add as there may be more. And as for the Illuminati having no sinister intent... are you kidding? Maybe your local Freemason wouldn't but a corrupt Rockefeller type figure who would surely be apart of the Illuminati would surely have an agenda and if someone like Tupac stood in their way, much like Rockefeller's competitors stood in his way, they wouldn't hesitate to use every dirty, underhanded trick in the book to eliminate that threat. And the authorities wouldn't even bother to look into it because it's all apart of the way the system is built. It's corrupt. Much like Rockefeller had the government look the other way for him. The Illuminati is not attempting to rule the world, because they already do.

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      Wowiez 3 years ago

      It's crazy all these conspiracies and things but you know it can be all a coincidence but for a coincidence to lead to all these theories who knows maybe he's dead maybe he's alive but if he doesn't show himself this year we may all have to consider the fact that maybe he is deceased:)

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Wowiez you're right. That is something we all may have to consider if he doesn't return. The feeling will still be there though until there is undeniable proof he is dead. What if the return is nothing but a symbolic one? Similar to the hologram at the Coachella concert. What if an album were to be released this year or his long awaited movie was released? What if that was a sign saying you guys, I'm not gonna come back, I left for a reason, but here's a little something to provide some closure. You would have to think that a man as busy as Pac, making movies, going to parties, concerts, making music videos, wouldn't have had enough time to do all the things they said he did. You have a lot of time on your hands while your in jail but the timeline in the songs released after his death don't add up, as many sound like they were made either after he got out and was knee deep into Death Row, or from his younger days. Now what would you think? What would you believe if another Pac album came out and his style was the way it was when he was with Death Row? Or what if this was how he revealed himself to be alive to the public without having to come back. Over the years he made song after song after song and amassed a huge collection of albums which we saw released every year. If only. Afeini said she vowed to release all of her sons work which has yet to occur. We will see. Hopefully this year. It would be amazing to see that Tupac is alive and I would love it if he is, but what I want truthfully whether he is dead or alive is closure. Will we ever get it is perhaps the biggest question of them all.

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      New article with unknown facts posted. Click my name "PoeticPhilosophy, here in the comment section, or at the top of the article on the right-hand corner to see the article. You will find it ;).

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      Brooklyn 3 years ago

      Really, this is utter crap. How many of you were even alive for this. My guess, not many of you! Please let this end. How do you think these crazy theories make his family feel. No matter how great he was( which he was) you guys do not the real man! Only his family knows the real person that he is, let it go!

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      babs 3 years ago

      LESANE?

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      gomzone 3 years ago

      Biggie wants to be part of a theory :'(

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      confusionof2pacsdeath 3 years ago

      Maybe he faked that he was cremated to prove to people he is dead.... Why wasn't he burried or has he always wanted to be cremated?? If we are in 2014 now, and everything adds up to the number 7, will he return on the seventh month? If so I wonder what day.... I believe if he faked his death it was because he was in danger, I wouldn't blame him! If he does come back, this would shock the world like never before! I will be waiting for this yr to find out, if not then I wonder what the world would believe.

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      BETTY LANE 3 years ago

      R.I.P BIGGIE SMALLS

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      Louise 3 years ago

      Pac will be returned on 10th December 2014.

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      Lousi 3 years ago

      2pac is not dead! and i rather want him to live his life with his thug friends and family then coming back and have all eyes on him

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      Sam 3 years ago

      I believe Pac is still alive, but wont come back. I mean you fake ur own death just to come back when your 43, seems far fetched. I believe he wanted out of this racist unbalanced society. And i know if i was shot 4 times, stared death in the face, then came back i would be scared. Another thing, he would rather have died than go back to jail, if he comes back im sure the government would not necessarily kill him but try to get rid of him by sending him back to jail... In any case i would love to wake up one morning to a new tupac album

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      tupac4ever 3 years ago

      Only god knows

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      Nkululeko Ntuli 3 years ago

      PAC is alive,hopefully he comes back.the rap industry will change 4 sure from being this fake rap industry it is right now!

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      Elijah 3 years ago

      This is hard evidence proving tupac is alive he said it himself. Do u guys remember this at the end of the song until the end of time? "I don't know what it is that got me acting all crazy out here... Guess, it's just my own environment, how you people be treating me. Shit... I'll be back in awhile, ain't no mystery - you get what you give, feel me? I'll come one day/I ain't dead. I can't tell you why... Maybe it's the thug in me..." He said this.

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      jojo 3 years ago

      Maybe truth is tupac? Haha

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Many lyrics in Pac's songs were cryptic, many things Pac said were cryptic. Pac was a cryptic person, as for the person going off saying I didn't know him in person, how could I say he faked his death? How do I think his family feels? Well one I didn't know him but neither did you. Two I can say he faked his death as much as you can say he is dead, how do you think his family feels when people like you drag his family into shit? Hell maybe that's one reason he faked his death, so he wouldn't have to deal with ignorant people like yourself. I have done my research. I assume you haven't. You have presented no evidence supporting your claim therefore how can you expect people to follow your lead. You gotta give people a reason to follow man. If I had niggas trying to claim my life, trying to steal what was mine, I wouldn't hesitate to fake my death. That doesn't make me a coward. If anything that makes me ten times the man you are for having to go without seeing my family, and those who were down with me. Would you be able to do that Brooklyn? Btw I have a cousin named Brooklyn. That's what we call him. His name is Robert, but we call him Brooklyn. Peace out for now.

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      Raymond sam 3 years ago

      So is he going to be coming back on the same day of he's fake death?

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Nobody knows for sure. If he comes back, it could be the anniversary of the shooting, it could be the anniversary of his "death", it could be some day we're not even expecting. I always stick to the evidence and I have no evidence suggesting a date so I'm as clueless as the next guy. It could be his 43rd birthday on June 16 which is just a couple days after mine. It could be something to do with the 7's and be on 7/7/14. Who knows? Only God right? God and Pac if he's still with us, which I believe he is. I have always said to myself, what if he doesn't come back? Does that mean he's dead? Not necessarily. I think we should calm down with the theories if he does not return and it would be a big feather in the cap of those who believe he is dead. But I am a believer that he faked his death to live a peaceful life away from the media, away from all the bullshit, not to mention away from the people trying to kill his ass. So why come back. It would take some guts to come back to this shit after 18 years of being gone but who knows maybe he's missed it. As for the people using this as the only thing supporting the claim that he's dead, "Pac would never be able to keep quiet this long." Who said he has? If he's alive, some of those posthumous songs had to have been written postmortem. Perhaps he may have ghost written (no pun intended) for some artists. Who knows? Listen to "Ballad of a Dead Souljah" came out in 2001 on the album Until the End of Time. Nice track, cryptic message, listen closely and remember everything I've said.

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Apparently, the date of his return is on the "barcode" of The 7 Day Theory Album, which is, June/13th/2014.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      I've heard about that. That video seemed a little sketchy to me, I don't know, it is a little conspicuous sounding that that date would appear on a barcode. The question is, what is the significance of the date?

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      tupac4life 3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure pacs in cuba with his domestic terrorist aunt and his kids i want him to come back too but if he wants to stay quiet let him be i would want to cool down if i was him but we do need him now to straighten up this shit stain we call rap

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Assata Shakur, first female to be on America's Most Wanted list as a major threat to homeland security. What kind of bs is that?

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      kingtaai 3 years ago

      Come back mr shakur...I'm your no1 fan miss you a lot@south africa

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      Z.W 3 years ago

      Truth, I think your predictions and theories are great, in some ways I think it would be incredible if makaveli came back not just for the rap game, but to show everyone how inspiring he is as a person. I respect both sides of the argument how he could be gone or he could be out there waiting to come back to finish off the wonderful story and predictions that people have made, although I sometimes drift more to believe he still is alive. I tried studying him also and tried finding other information but I guess we have most of it here. Even though I am eighteen I study everything to do with hip hop because I love it that much, although raps near enough dead now its not to late to think it might not come back.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Z.W exactly, there could always be a resurgence in the rap game and if Pac were to come back things would undoubtedly change. Have you ever stopped and wondered if Pac came back, how he'd do it? I ponder this every time I think about this subject. Would it be via a live appearance? Would he release an album announcing it and then return to the public eye after? John Singleton is directing the new Tupac biopic, who has the ability to play the iconic role of Tupac? Maybe his return will be on the big screen shocking the world even more once it hits theaters. I find it rather unlikely that this could happen as each day passes but perhaps it's just so shocking a thing that even I, a long supporter of the Tupac alive theories can't imagine him returning. This is why I am so excited for this year. This year is going to be historic one way or another.

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      somenigga 3 years ago

      HE DEAD

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Somenigga, (haha) you may be right, but how do you know for sure? The reason many of us have researched this topic is to find the truth. I can tell you haven't even considered any of the evidence suggested let alone research Pac, his music, his life, or his death based on the fact that you make uneducated claims without anything to support what you're saying. Other than that, have a nice day somenigga, and peace until next time.

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      Nina 3 years ago

      Its funny you mantion the number 7... if he faked his death at 25, then comes back 18 years later he would be 43... 4+3=7 You just never know. Stranger things have happened.

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      Z.W 3 years ago

      If he ever did return, I think he would have an album already mastered for when he returns, just think what that album would be like for a minute, the story's and how he fooled everyone, taking vengeance on east coast, and don't get it twisted, I am a big fan of B.I.G. and Mobb deep, but if he is to return, the rap game will be back, and the rivalries might? but in the end, if Tupac is the same cat that he was almost 18 years ago, there will be fireworks towards his enemies. But Makaveli would be back!

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      Truth 3 years ago

      If Pac came back I'm pretty sure anything he had against B.I.G. he'd drop, simply because he won. Why continue blasting Biggie after. Maybe new rivalries will start with new rappers and boy would I love to see Pac blast Lil Wayne or some of these other rappers that think they're so amazing like Kanye. It would be the same Pac, but he'd also have a different attitude. Pulling such a scheme off would definitely change someone and with age comes wisdom. Pac was already a wise person so would he make the mistake of starting beef again? Or is it just in his nature? Trouble seems to find him. Remember Pac would be turning 43 this year. Maybe he would just be above all of that dissing and blasting of rappers... or maybe not. Haha Maybe he's been watching these rappers and writing material on them ever since he left.

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      eeytt 3 years ago

      ......

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      anon 3 years ago

      i have so many things to say but don't wanna type....i honestly don't believe hes dead since the evidence is so convincing...but weather hes dead or not his mom knows...i read that the outlawz smoked some of his ash with weed after he was cremated, what about the remainder of the ash does his mom have that as souvenir in her house...i think the only way to really know if he dead or not is to get those ash and get some kinda dna test or some shit performed on them if its possible i dunno....but its the only solid thing i could have think of

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      Z.W 3 years ago

      He would have squashed the beef with BIG anyway, he was on the road to fixing it before he was shot and apparently pronounced dead. But every man holds grudges, and in 'The Prince' (Niccolo Machiavelli's book) it claims he vanishes and comes back to take vengeance on his enemies, fair enough he might be older and more wiser, but why else would he fool everyone by faking his death, if he wasn't going to make a point of being Makaveli, why did he run? if he ran?. I would love him to come back and smoke Lil Wayne and all the young money fags, but

      more Lil Wayne for claiming he was the next Tupac.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      That dude has potential to play Pac. Perhaps, time will tell. And naw man Niccolo Machiavelli's book The Prince doesn't directly suggest faking ones death, in the Art of War it says in order to overthrow your enemies you must fool them. This is not a direct quote but you get my point. It is implied in the text that faking your death can aid you in this task. There has been much discussion over whether Niccolo Machiavelli has ever faked his death and I have studied him extensively along with other historical figures like Giacomo Casanova which is where Kasinova got his name from. There is no historical evidence suggesting Machiavelli faked his death. He just advocated it to fool one's enemies.

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      Benny oh benny 3 years ago

      He must have been a reincarnated ancient pharaoh. An ancient king that was believed by many to be god and expected to be immortal.. only after his reign to be put in a mausoleum, mummificated, for travel into an afterlife. Death comes to us all. The spirit part that wanted real immortality got into tupac, and he did his job in the right era, reaching many people worldwide, ending a mortal existence again for the last time, with his life, career, and death a great mystery to everyone.

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      jongi frm South Africa 3 years ago

      Tupac is alive ,I hv bn tryng to accept da fact dat he is dead bt my heart does nt wnt to accept....(Come back Makaveli) we are all waiting 4 u ,,,I really dig dat nigga mhan,,,2014 is da year !!!

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      Amy 3 years ago

      to go with the 7 theory-

      Tupac would be 43 this year 4 + 3 = 7

      Tupac was born on june the 16th 6 + 1 = 7

      he also ''died'' at 25 2 + 5 = 7

      maybe he will come back on his birthday?

      nobody knows,i just hope he does

      but its probably more likely for him to come back on the 7/7/14

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      Bmack 3 years ago

      he is alive and he will not come back because of the listed he wants "change" he is sick of the elite its gonna be wild seeing what happens

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Believe me, even if Pac does not come back this year, the next few years will be some of the most craziest years for many different reasons. We haven't seen the last or heard the last of Pac. There's still more music, there's still his movie. We will get our dosage of Tupac in the near future.

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      Truth Z 3 years ago

      He will come back, but as a very different man...

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      nobody 3 years ago

      don't go make things about his back don't judge and there is no one to blame are you all insane stay loyal to the game no one knows what he has done but he will be under the rising sun night and day stay away what else you all want to say he deserve to be where ever he might be don't go around searching me that's all he would say to stay away night and day till the day we meet again in my heart is where I keep you friend amen

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      Lil Wayne 3 years ago

      I will shoot myself if he comes back.

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      paczlife(aquil) 3 years ago

      Tupac is alive and well,there's no proof enough to provide that he had being shot and died,the fact that tupac was being prosecuted for something that he dint do and created enemies,well more like haters...but I dnt knw bwt url but if pac is alive I dnt care wen he comes back or exact date,his my role model and my love for music,song with meanings comes best from em,I'll just be happy is back,and when he dose return I hope mac donalds as place for lil wayne n m&m and which ever rapper thinks that they better coz his the god of rap and king of hearts... Long live makaveli.....thuglife till we die...

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      RG 3 years ago

      After reading all the comments and think questioning ever since a younger age (17 now) I still feel as if he's still alive.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Lil Wayne hahahaha.

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      He's dead 3 years ago

      Truth he's dead stop it he died September 8 1996 17 years ago how cn he possibly be dead wouldn't he be like 50 now

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      anaiehR 3 years ago

      Plus 7 is God's number. Long live Pac! He been alive, acknowledging all those niggas that oppose.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      He could possibly be dead, I'm not doubting that, you're just not acknowledging the truth that there is more supporting evidence suggesting that he had a motif to fake his death, had the tools, brainpower, and guts to do it, and that he fled to some unknown location than there is evidence suggesting that he is in fact dead. No body, no grave, no crime scene, no accurate coroners report which is supposed to be a legal document, no public service like Biggie's, no witnesses besides Suge Knight who has gone off saying cryptic stuff like "maybe the question is Pac not dead, Pac somewhere else..." And "nobody seen 2Pac dead." Then the other witness Kadafi is gone under suspicious circumstances as well. But let me not get something else started. There is also that white lady that said she saw Tupac get carried off in a helicopter at the crime scene so... That's up to anyone's interpretation what happened to her. Was she an actress? Did Pac really get carried off in a helicopter? Was it his escape plan or did he get shot for real and survive? Maybe he did maybe he didn't. If the people who get on this site would take the damn time to read what I had to say, rather than assuming I am guaranteeing a return and that he is 100 percent alive, they would know I believe it is more possible that he be alive than dead. Who knows maybe he faked his death and died for real in like 2004. We wouldn't know. So the only way to solve this is to see if he comes back or wait until the crime gets solved and all questions get answered. People need to read what I type. He's Dead is being ignorant by telling me to stop it when all I am trying to do is investigate a mystery that has been around since '96. And if you knew something about 2Pac or read anything on this site at all you'd know that this year he'd be turning 43, not 50. He supposedly died on the 13th of September not the 8th. Shows how much dead supporters even know about Tupac.

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      PoeticPhilosophy 3 years ago from Canada

      Truth: "The white ladies" name is "Paige Hemmis" host of the show "Extreme Makeover". Some think Tupac paid her off for the camera she had in the interview, because she said he was taken off in a helicopter, and.. was holding a camera which is why.. some think she "may" have got it on tape, but then... there is a video that "might" show her "with" Tupac, Suge, and others, so then the question is... was it all to create confusion? ;)

      Also why others think that, is because she was unknown before she made that appearance on the news of her stating she saw Tupac in a helicopter.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yeah, PoeticPhilosophy it's all so interesting to think about. "Paige Hemmis" ehh? I'm gonna have to look into that sometime. I never knew much about her and I could never find anything relating to her. All I ever saw that related to her was a video of Frank Alexander with some man asking people to find "the white lady." They called her a liar, a rumor starter, and claimed they didn't know why she would say that. But perhaps this is also to bring about confusion and skepticism.

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      Anon 3 years ago

      It's 2014, where's Tupac?

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      He's dead 3 years ago

      I'm just kidding around truth. I personally do not think he's dead. To much leading to he's alive and the white ladie is famous now

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      He is alive. I have done so much research in this area trying to decode to decipher to unravel the truth and I feel certain in my heart that he is alive. I don't know If he will return. I hope. I wish. But I really don't know. If your enemies are calling the hospital after gunning you down, with death threats on what is left of your life could you blame him for not returning? I don't think he's a coward for leaving. I get it. Trust nobody. He said in the prison interview I'm going to give you guys one more chance.... And if you don't act right I'm out. The man got shot down... Again. He also said something in that interview that to this day a lot of people missed, he said you may find me out somewhere with my nose all cut up.... Meaning he may even resort to plastic surgery. What more proof do you need?! Because if you really need more I have more. He is alive. Case closed. People please wake up. And truth, thank you for educating yourself on this topic before just blurting out nonsense.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Thank you so much Whisper for the compliment, and for providing that information as well. I'm pretty certain this should be a closed case. Pac must be alive. A return may be asking for too much, but one thing is for sure, Tupac Shakur had a plan for survival. The signs are everywhere. One would have to be blind not to see them. Pac had a plan and he certainly had to have carried it out. Just place yourself in his shoes. What would you do?

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      I think Pac makes his appearances from time to time. Maybe for the thrill of being spotted and keeping us guessing. I have several theories on what might've became of him. The first one being he was seriously injured and is now unable to preform.

      With all of the social and racial injustices going on here in America (ie. Trayvon Martin) it's hard to believe that he's just sitting there biding his time with a closed mouth watching from the rafters. But who knows, you live and you get older and with age comes a calm.

      I know that a lot of people are wishing for his return as if he's black Jesus. Like somehow he's going to rescue us or at least give us hope. I know it wouldn't be a rescue but I do think his return would render me and quite a few others speechless. But what would he do after his return? He couldn't dissapear again.

      Think about this....He's had 17 years to rebuild his life. In a sense to come out of hiding would be like dying all over again. Metaphorically it would be like reincarnation. And we all know his thoughts on that. "My only fear of death is reincarnation". So why would he return? To turn the new weakened rap game on its ear? To enter into the political arena? Is it enough? Is it really enough to inspire him to leave this 17 year life that he has rebuilt for himself?

      When it's phrased like that to me his return seems highly doubtful. I'm sure he misses some aspects of his former life that's why it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find that he lurks around on these forums and reads and perhaps joins in the discussions with a sly smile spread upon his face and thinks to himself, "if they only knew!"

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      alex 3 years ago

      In the extra reasons you state that there was no autopsy, yet in the video it says that there was an autopsy but with an alleged fake body or Photoshop. Either way I have to question your credibility. Although the Tupac death and all the sightings in Haiti are very suspicious

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      But Alex if i may Ask, Isn't that what makes this a conspiracy? The fact that there are conflicting stories.... I personally believe that the autopsy photos are fake. Why wasn't his head on a block? What is that metallic thing on his neck? Some say its a necklace others claim it's a device used to hold his head and upper portion of his body down. I did some amature research of my own and looked at coroner equipment available for purchase and I haven't been able to find such a device used in an autopsy that resembles the one in the picture. If it is a necklace it would've been removed prior to the autopsy. I understand that the doctor said there was an autopsy preformed, maybe there was maybe there wasn't. But according to the friends and family members that were able to see Tupac in the hospital, they all claimed that he was unrecognizable due to the large amount of swelling. According to yoyo she claimed his head was swollen to the size of a watermelon and his middle finger on his right hand was missing. She said that was the way he looked the last day she saw him which was on the 6th day. So if he was that swollen on the 6th day where did all the swelling go in the autopsy photo taken the following day?.....

      With that said, there are going to be various stories for every thing involved in this case. It's just a matter of what you believe and how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together after you've chosen your own scenario.

      Also no one here is saying we have all the answers. I claim I have a lot of clues but not all of the answers. You would have to be tupac to have all of the facts.

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      dobbo8 3 years ago

      If hes alive who is helping him

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      Ahh dobbo8, that is the million dollar question. Who would be included in this? The no grapes theory claimed the black liberation army was helping him.

      I'm certain his mother, his sister Assata, Mutulu, and mopreme would know. The rest is speculation. Lol honestly isn't it all speculation? i guess it would depend on what story you would like to believe. What do they say? It's not a secret once you tell someone. There's too much to lose by everyone knowing. So I wouldn't think that there are too many out there that know it.

      As to who is helping him, that would depend on where he is.

      If you believe that suge was in on it and didn't set him up then some think that him saying tupac may actually be alive was a threat of sorts to get more hush money.

      I personally think suge was one of the ones responsible and wasn't included in the plan.

      Actually I don't think there really was a plan. I think tupac thought about escaping the rap game on his own terms but I honestly think he was snuck out of the hospital once he was coherent. He did it once before under the alias of Bob Day. And the news reports said he was expected to make a full recovery. Even yo yo claimed tupac was trying to tell her something on the last day that she saw him. So no one expected him to die. Another odd thing was that he died alone. No one was there in the room with him. If it was my child I wouldn't leave his side. If it was my fiance' I wouldn't leave his side. So how was he alone? Again conflicting stories.

      If he was snuck out then there would have to be major pay offs to have him declared dead. Or, there would have to be some sort of police or government protective assistance. Hmmmmm....

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      Truth 3 years ago

      To fix one of your statements Whisper, his mother was actually there at the time he "died" as she was the one who told the doctors to pull the plug. Oddly enough it happened to be at 4:03 which of course had to add to 7. The only thing I cannot comprehend about Suge Knight being involved would be why would he be driving the car that 2Pac was supposed to get shot in? He is at least twice his size. Is he that stupid? Or just that smart? The whole grazed by a bullet business was shady. I've heard that doctors said he wasn't grazed by a bullet at all, rather a piece of glass that broke and flew off and cut him. He says that "nobody has seen Tupac dead." The only people who would have would be the doctors, his mother, and the person who performed the autopsy who was paid 3 million dollars supposedly by Suge of his own money (strange) then suddenly retired, vanished into the sun, into the sunset. Maybe the symbolic killer of Tupac was Tupac himself. He took himself out the game by faking his death. Suge who owed him money gave him 3 million and he rode into the sunset. He was the mystery man who performed this "autopsy." But that's just a theory. Then again that's the point. This whole thing is a theory. Did 2Pac Shakur die September 13th, 1996 or did he live on? That is the million dollar question. Once that question gets solved without any doubts in anyone's mind then we can find out how? And why? And with who? "There are secrets that will come out and then you'll know, why I did it." Words from Tupac himself.

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      Well put truth. When I made the claim he died alone I was referencing a direct quote from a source magazine interview with yoyo.

      This is the piece of the interview I got it from.......

      Yoyo: The next day, I went to go see him and I told his mom that I was leaving because I knew he was going to be all right. I got home and his sister called my cell phone and the phone kept hanging up. I called to the hospital and the wouldn't let me speak to nobody. I was like, "Is Pac dead? Did he die?" Girl, I was going crazy. They told me Pac died in his room by himself. Every time I think about it, I think he was trying to tell me something. When I get to heaven I'm going to ask him, "what were you trying to tell me?" I'll never forget it.

      So once again very conflicting accounts. To me it would make sense that Afeni was with him the whole time but who told YoYo he was alone?

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      You know truth, When I step back and reread both of our statements it raises a red flag! Since when does hospital staff tell a non family member over the phone a patients condition and go on to say not only did he die but he died alone...... It's almost as if they wanted to get the message out that he was dead and that there were no witnesses so there wouldn't be more questions....very orchestrated! Do you see it?! or Am I trippin right now over this?

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      dobbo8 3 years ago

      In vegas you can pay anyone off.dead or alive a few people got some good pay outs either way

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      It seems so dobbo8

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      Kane951mc 3 years ago from Riverside, California

      now whisper and truth have you guys heard the song that pac made named "god bless the dead" no ones talked about that yet and in the song he speaks about biggie smalls and in way squashing the beef wit him and clearly if your know your history pac died before biggie and they still had beef before pac died so what's ur take on that?

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      Ok so I've done a little digging around Kane95mc and, this is what I've found ....

      Here's a post from a message board:

      "After emailing ppl to try to figure this thing out I finally got a response from someone who's affiliated with Live Squad. The guy who emailed me knows Majesty and them and is connected to the upcoming Live Squad documentary: The Tribute.

      "According to them "God Bless The Dead" was recorded for a Live Squad Crew member named "Biggie Smalls" AKA "DRIC" (totally different from any of the other Biggies mentioned in previous posts.)

      "This Biggie Smalls was from Queens and used to hold Pac down whenever he was in town. He died on some kinda beef and since he was cool with Pac and Stretch they decided to record a song and dedicate it in his name. This dude wasn't a rapper or none of that. He was a regular street ***** from Queens and a friend of Pac and Stretch. ......

      I'm not buying it. I think this would have to be confirmed by stretch himself and that is going to be a bit of a problem since he's dead. Perhaps stretch's brother Majesty would know but I'm not buying the whole friend of a friend story.

      Odd that this has never been better confirmed! Wow. The clues just keep coming....

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      And by the way, Thank you for that kane951mc!

      Ok, so I told you guys I had some more clues. I have a question for you guys. I watch a lot of Tupacs videos and interviews and I've noticed some things that I've never heard mentioned before.

      In Tupac's video "I ain't mad at cha", when tupac goes to heaven he meets Redd fox. Redd fox looks at Tupac and he says, it took me a long time to make it here but you.... You're gonna have to earn your way.

      Ok, I'm confused... Is tupac not in heaven? If he is then why would he have to earn his way there after he's already there?

      Or is that just a near death experience?....

      Is tupac really dead in that video? Is it a clue? Is it a hint?

      Watch it and tell me your take on that.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      The clues and coincidences keep on flowing in. Definitely in the video it seems suspicious that he says that as if Pac were not already in heaven. I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before but the whole video alludes to the way in which the murder happened supposedly in real life as we were told to believe. He was with his friend leaving a show when an unknown assailant shoots Pac. Killing him but leaving his friend uninjured. Now look at the Hail Mady video. The same actor that played the friend is in this video and he is in jail and bring accused for killing Pac. He holds a picture up of him and Pac together and oddly enough in the video Pac comes back from the dead and "takes care" of those who did him wrong. The friend in jail accused of murdering Pac is obviously Suge. Yes Whisper you are right also about the God Bless the Dead theory where they claim there is another person named Biggie Smalls. I have trouble buying it as well but who knows? With Stretch gone, which raises another question as to how he was killed. He was once close with Pac and after the Quad studios shooting Pac knew Stretch had sold him up the river. So a year later to that same date that Pac was shot, Stretch was shot and killed. Hmmmm... Not saying Pac killed him, just saying he probably had something to do with it, and he knew what he was doing at all times in advance. He always had a plan. Listen to Against All Odds if you want to hear the truth from Pac himself about what happened at Quad Studios. Notice how he does not mention Biggie. This was on the Don Killuminati album the last album Biggie would see of Pac before he died. The album was released after Pac supposedly died and he made it all in 7 days. I just stated numerous other coincidences adding to the others so take that as you may. I would love to hear a person who genuinely believes he's dead come on here and attempt to even support themselves but the truth is they cannot. The evidence, coincidences, facts, etc... are overwhelming.

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      GiGi 3 years ago

      he's alive of course and i bet he already seen this page and is laughing his ass off or be like: hmm they are on to me , better prepare for my big comeback!!

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      William Mercado 3 years ago

      I haven't heard any of Tupac's songs or watched any of his videos but I do believe he is alive. I just stumbled upon his death and got interested.

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      Kane951mc 3 years ago from Riverside, California

      yea I find that kind of hard to believe hes talking about another biggie smalls I mean yea pac is a world wide gangsta so I bet he ran into people that had a common name but to have met two biggie smalls that had an impact in his life is kinda hard to believe or a big ass coincides like everything else that has to do with this case and sorry if this sounds stupid but whos Redd Fox and who was he to pac?

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      Redd foxx was an old school comedian.....This whole thing has so many twists and turns! I have been reading up on Jimmy henchman and Haitian Jack and their affiliation with 2pac. That right there is a wild story! Thanks to Truth for mentioning it, I read up again on the quad studio shooting and how many people that were involved including Stretch the guy that made God bless the dead with 2pac. After reading up on these guys and finding out more of their backgrounds it sorta twisted my thoughts on things.

      Now don't get me wrong I still think 2pac is alive. I still believe he leaves and has left clues. But it's messing me up on my opinions of who shot 2pac in Vegas.

      These men that 2pac was messing with were gangsters. Like real life street certified not to be messed with gangsters. The claim was made that Haitian Jack was the only guy mike Tyson was afraid of. Biggie had warned Pac not to have beef with Haitian Jack, after he was set up on rape charges. Mike Tyson even warned Pac. But Pac was so angry about the rape case and the fact that everyone else was getting off with slaps on the wrists and he was being crucified that he let everyone know his thoughts on the other people involved which of course included Haitian Jack.

      Pac told everyone Haitian jack was an informant, a snitch. That's when the quad shooting popped off and PAC knew he'd been setup.

      So the makaveli album emerges and it's filled with anger and rage and revenge and tupac pointing people out and calling people out. That album right there pissed a lot of people off. A lot of the wrong people. People that weren't used to getting called out. people that damn near everyone feared.

      That took an amazing amount of courage. But surely he knew he was on borrowed time when that album dropped. He pissed off a lot of people. ....So now that I know a little more background I feel as if maybe he did have a plan. I told you before I wasn't so sure there was even a plan at first but now after educating myself a little more I feel as if he would've been a fool not to have had one. And tupac was no fool. So that was perhaps tupac's last big fuck you to everyone that did him in as well as a farewell and an album stocked with hidden clues for us to find for years to come

      -Picture jewels being handed to an innocent child.

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      Mo G Veli 3 years ago

      Im sure hes alive...3 days ago i find a very nice point and it makes me stronger to believe that hes alive.. :) Check the Video from 2pac- I wonder if heaven got a ghetto. U can clearly see that 2pac is lyieng on the bed. Very Strane cuz this video was taken after 2pac "Died" . So why is 2pac on this video, when he died in september.. very strange check it up.. its in the beginning 0-30 secs from video or so.. Check that up and pm me here :)

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Whisper hit it right on the head.

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      Slim Shady 3 years ago

      hes alive you guys wait and see

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      I find it very strange if you search up the video 2pac, dre, Chris trucker on YouTube at the end a white girl with the same facial structure and nose as Paige huff aka Paige hemmis what is she doing in the video there's a 99% chance she was paid off by outlawz.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      That's a good find Knowledge. If that is indeed her, it is too obvious that the death of Tupac was staged because why is she there in that video and also in the video of her claiming she saw Tupac get carried off in a helicopter? As if she had no ties to him and just happened to be there in Vegas when it happened. Now she's famous and on a tv show. She had to have been affiliated with and paid off by Death Row. Be on the look out for her in other Pac interviews, videos, etc... Let's see what we can find.

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      Don't ya think? 3 years ago

      Hmm I feel that you all are over thinking this whole thing. Tupac most likely died and you guys are taking every single clue & blowing it up making it seem like its a 100% proven fact. I mean this FED'S ain't even work as hard as y'all let alone the crime scene.

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      Addressing Truth 3 years ago

      You and all y'all should throw some alleged and allegedly's out there you know making it clear to others it ain't

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Well don't ya think so. Your telling us to just sit back and be closed minded and not look at all the clues. Yes something's may not make sense but there's more pointing towards he's alive then dead I can reassure that. And if you are like many of us things do not add up he has to be alive. And yes truth very strange indeed had me wondering lol.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Well don't ya think so. Your telling us to just sit back and be closed minded and not look at all the clues. Yes something's may not make sense but there's more pointing towards he's alive then dead I can reassure that. And if you are like many of us things do not add up he has to be alive. And yes truth very strange indeed had me wondering lol.

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      Frankie 3 years ago

      Just a thought what if he's alive and logs into the internet to read what's said about him, what if he was reading this? I highly doubt it but then again....

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Don't ya think? Maybe there was a reason the FEDs didn't investigate into the murder as much as we are. We also are not claiming it all to be 100 percent fact, not all of it. We are claiming that it is 100 percent coincidental the way all these theories and stories of what happened according to reporters, friends, investigators, witnesses, family, and Tupac himself contradict each other and go against each other. Maybe we are just overthinking this all and he is dead but where is the evidence. I see reports of dead celebrities all the time on social media. What is Twitter today but yesterday's 9'0 clock news? Anyone could believe a celebrity has died due to what the media presents without any evidence at all. It just goes to show how reliant we are on the media. They only let us hear what they allow us to. If Tupac had planned to fake his death, him and his crew could've certainly paid off a few doctors, a local no name news station, and then after word gets out here comes Fox News saying Tupac Shakur has been shot and other media outlets claiming the same all because of that original report. Plant a so called witness, a.k.a. "The White Lady", here to add to the confusion, and add all the other factors that would make understanding why and how Tupac would fake his death sound confusing to another person and you have a situation so covered that nobody would even attempt to figure this whole scenario out. Except a few. But then again those few surely won't be believed. It's all too crazy to think that someone like Tupac could fake his death. Ordinary people do it all the time. So maybe it isn't as crazy as we make it seem.

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      Don't Ya think? 3 years ago

      Truth,

      That's true. When people go on social media saying EX ."RIP Jay Z killed in a car accident in Queens, NY Today". They are sketchy people who post fake stories to gain attention to those susceptible people. Their information is not on the news nor is it confirmed or posted by any confirmed sources. Tupac's situation was not like those you see on social media. I agree with you there is always that chance of Tupac and his people paying off doctors and such. But that's just another possibility. For all you know I could be Tupac but you will never know until you have hardcore evidence our self. I wanna get back to the part about paying off people. In my opinion I feel that like I said its a possibility but most likely not true because #1 I can't see people agreeing to keep a high profile case under wraps for years just for Tupac to pull a Makaveli. #2 simply Tupac couldn't be Chillin for this long its just un natural for Tupac to stay low and quiet when he was the type of guy to not GAF and speak his mind. He was shot and laughed it off saying you didn't finish your job. And calling people out so to the people who say he fled cus he cheeky his life was in danger you can rule that out he was arrogant and wouldn't hide. Its been too long. Therefore I feel in my opinion that as Tupac fans we would say it has been brought up in maybe every country that he's dead. Evidence that he was shot and since there seems to be a lack of evidence claiming he is out hiding we should embrace his life and say rest in Peace. Not take every coincidence into consideration and prove that he is still alive.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Don't Ya Think? I agree but that could be what he wants you to think. I can't even think of anyone at the age of 25, Making so much music that young and to know he was going to die? Who does that and has sure other celebrities has released music but not tupac. Even his mother said theres so music left and stuff left there could be more than 5 other albums made. That's something very strange. Then your saying as if you know tupac you never know what people would do for there saftey and for the sake of there family so him being arrogant and other non sense is crazy cause no matter how rich or famous i was if someone was trying to kill me and harm my love ones i would do what ever it takes for my and their safety.Plus it hasn't been 18 years. He would only be 43... after 2014 then ill consider i was wrong.

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      anonym 3 years ago

      I think he returns 25/7 or 7/7

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      I understand the thought process of letting it go and allowing Tupac to rest in peace. I understand that but every time I try to leave it alone something pops up to convince me not to. I know to some it would seem that those of us that believe are crazy. Ill admit that I don't tell too many people about my interest in this for fear of being ridiculed. Although the people that i have told are amused by my hobby and think im silly. So beyond the threat of being teased about it I don't see anything wrong with asking what if. I'm not hurting anyone with it. It interests me and gives me something to do in some of my free moments. And I do have a life outside of it. I'm not some weirdo on my computer obsessed with it with news clippings, maps, and pictures of Tupac pasted on my walls lol. I'm just your average Joe with a hobby that keeps me from being bored at times. With that said, We are not preventing Tupac from resting in peace. I'm sure he's resting in peace regardless of wether I am looking at all the facts or not. We Tupac truthers have the upmost respect for Tupac. He was an amazing and talented individual. So when someone that amazing touches down here on earth and makes an impact on the world with his music and with his views on our society, it's hard to let go.

      Tupac had this quality that few others possessed he was able to be a thug and still be embraced by the mainstream. They teach classes in colleges about Tupac. He's like a modern day Malcolm X/Martin Luther King Jr. except he crossed over to the mainstream successfully despite being incarcerated despite being black despite being a self described thug. He was hanging out with Madonna! That's powerful!

      So with that said, people still investigate Martin Luther King's, Bob Marley, and Malcolm X's death and they know they are dead they've seen the bodies and attended the funerals.and they still search for clues for reasons and still try to put it all together and make it all make sense. And no one says leave it alone to them.

      There are people that are still convinced Elvis is alive. So convinced that they have furnished a guy that they believe to be Elvis who did a DNA test and proved that if he isn't in fact Elvis he's related in some way to him. So even though this guy who claimed he is Elvis and submitted DNA evidence to try and prove it appeared, there are still nay Sayers.

      So I guess you have your opinions and we have ours. But along with our opinions, we have reasons as well.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Don't ya think? For your first point you said you just can't see it, and that's what I mean about being close minded. If you were offered enough money to not say anything about something wouldn't you keep your mouth shut? Your second point about him not being able to stay quiet and out of sight... He might not have had to with today's technology. We are all communicating to each other speaking our minds under aliases. Who knows whether or not he does the same? It could be like you joked about, he may be on this very post commenting along with everyone else. However I doubt you are him. He could also use music to speak his mind as well. The whole Kasinova theory is interesting but I don't take that into account when I think about reasons why I believe 2Pac is alive. Kasinova seems to be his own person even though there seems to be something connected between him and Pac. Another interesting thing is that after his death there were over 1,000 eyewitness reports in Haiti over the period of a month of people seeing someone who appeared to be 2Pac. Now that's just another interesting little thing to think about. What evidence is there really that he was actually shot that night besides a much debated over autopsy photo, and a very screwed up coroners report. Go ahead and name me some. As for the whole coincidence thing, it seems like you don't understand where I'm coming from with this. When something happens and it's coincidental with something else that may not be true one might think that thing could be true as the amount of coincidences increase. Let me paint you a picture. You're a stay at home wife with two kids. Your husband makes a decent salary at a prosperous business. However your husband says he's going to have to start working overtime some nights. Okay nothing wrong. Let's keep going. Now let's say your husband has been working overtime for a few months now and you're wondering why is he trying to get so much overtime. Perhaps he is saving to buy something you assume. However, now on the days that he doesn't work overtime he comes home later than usual with a strange perfume smell emanating from him. You get suspicious that he may be unfaithful, but you refuse to believe it due to the fact that you have two kids and you've been married for let's say 10 years. You see him come home one day and he has the same smell coming from him but this time you see a small red smudge on his lips. Now you believe. But still you aren't positive. He says he's going on a business trip over the weekend so you decide to follow him. He goes to somebody's house and all you see are the lights inside get turned off. You now have enough coincidental evidence that he has been cheating on you. Now you still do not know for sure that he cheated. The reason for all the overtime was because he was saving money for the kids college funds plus he planned to renew your vows on your 10th anniversary. The perfume was the smell of the scented invitations that he was helping his cousin, who happened to be a wedding planner, prepare. The one day he came home with the red smudge on his lips was because he had just came back from trying which cake would be the best to have and the frosting was red. However the coincidences suggest that he is a cheater. Really he's just planning a surprise wedding. This is sort of backwards of what I'm trying to say for Tupac but now at least you understand what I mean about coincidental proof or coincidental evidence suggesting he is alive. He could be dead. Believe me, if they showed me proof on the news tomorrow that he is dead then I would accept it just like I accepted the idea that 2+2=4 but that is if there's proof. That could also mean coincidental proof like the fact that there was a crime scene could work but the thing is it could work both ways. Maybe it was staged. Nobody knows. So what do you do to stuff like that, you gotta ignore it unless something else related to it appears. But yeah, maybe now you people feel me now.

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      Wow! I'm feelin ya truth

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Amazing truth hit it right on point.

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      Minion12 3 years ago

      just wanted to add to my previous comment that Chillo isn't Cuban like a lot of people say but he is dutch and from what i have read he is talking really bad dutch in the video, also a lot of people say the video was made before Tupac dissapeared however a lot of people have also said that the number plate on the back of the car that Chillo and Tupac are riding in didn't come into use until the early 2000s. also i was once reading a Tupac forum awhile ago and 1 of the posters there had got in touch with Chillo through Facebook who said it was tupac with him, i know pretty sketchy but everything about Tupac dissapearing is sketchy that's the beauty of it.

      personally i don't think Tupac died in 96 but I'm not expecting him to return this year but if he did i don't think he would return to the u.s i suspect he is in Cuba, Amsterdam, or Saudi and will get the word out from there where he is safe from the u.s authorities who will want him brought in for questioning and some trumped up charge.

      It is not illigal to fake death in vegas, or when 2 attempts have been made on your life, and when you haven't cashed your life insurance cheque, Also the statute of limitations ends this year (if i remember right).

      I also find it interesting that the year everybody is expecting Tupac to return is the same year they decide to make a movie about him, would be cool if he explained how, why, where at the end of the movie, it would be a bit of a stretch for him to star in it because of the attention making a tupac movie outside of the states would bring.

      anyway im starting to ramble now, hope i helped you guys out

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      km 3 years ago

      I'm back! Its time to let the world know

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Minion12 those were some pretty good finds man, the Chillo video was the one that got me the most. I always try to watch these videos with some skepticism. Perhaps Mopreme was trying to pay homage to his brother by speaking of the whole death faking situation but then again maybe he and Allan know something more. Then the Assata video was great because you really got a deeper look into Tupac's roots. As for the part where the person showed up, I'm not sure if it was him. I thought I could see hair and not just a little bit either. A decent amount. I'm not sure. The voice was also very faint to be able to tell whether or not it was him but I did notice that the person holding the camera tried not to get too much of the "man's" face in the shot. If it was Tupac why would he risk exposure, unless he did it in a clever way to spark rumors and get people talking like we are now without being certain 100 percent that it was actually him. The Chillo video, I have no explanations for. Maybe the only way it couldn't have been him was if it was a look alike which I don't know since they try to play that whole look alike thing off a lot. How many people in the world look like 2Pac? Besides relatives. The supposed doubles used in the Smile video was suspicious as well as the I Wonder If Heaven's Got a Ghetto video. They give you small peaks at the doubles face and in the I Wonder If Heaven's Got a Ghetto video you can actually pause it and see that it is most likely a double. But when you look at the Smile video there's a different feeling. This double doesn't have the same exact face and head structure as the last. It's something worth checking out. Again thank you Minion12 for adding to the discussion, keep on the lookout for more videos and clues.

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      what if 3 years ago

      Truth,

      I was wondering if you had heard about pac leaving death row records because he felt he was not seeing his fair share of the money what if pac said he would leave for free if suge helps him fake his death

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      Minion12 3 years ago

      what if,

      apparently Pac had plans to leave deathrow and make his own label called makavelli or something along those lines and that's why Suge has become a suspect in the shooting. He owed Pac alot of coin and he woulda lost a lot of coin if Pac left. I don't buy that theory tho, Suge and Pac seem pretty tight from what i have read.

      On a side note afeni fought Deathrow records for years in the courts to have royalties owed to Pac from Deathrow paid and to have a lot of the master tapes from his work returned. Afeni eventually won and Suge went bankrupt not long after.

      btw admin why are you deleting my posts? im not being rude and abusive to the other posters or criticiseing ideas. Just giving my opinion and passing on info i have found.

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      Minion12 3 years ago

      im tired of my posts being deleted from here, so truth, whisper, etc if you want to add me on facebook to bounce ideas look up dan nad would be cool to bounce ideas with you guys. like i said in my original post i have been researching Pac for around 10 years off and on and have a lot of ideas on the topic

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      Enter: Makaveli 3 years ago

      2Pac once said something about not changing the world but he will spark the mind that changes the world. Maybe hes waiting for someone to point out the fact he is alive before 7/7/14 and back all the evidence they have up before he returns. Maybe that in itself is a hint, maybe he knows that his return will change the world and is waiting for someone to pieve everything together perfectly. I believe he is alive. I hope he is alive. And I believe he can change the world.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yes Pac apparently had some problems internally with Deathrow not paying him and he had plans to leave after he had finished his contractual obligations to Deathrow to start his own label called Euphanasia records. This added fire to the theory that Suge Knight set Tupac up that night to capitalize off of his death and make money off of his unreleased music. Money can make a man do crazy things, but him and Pac were close. Would he himself take as risk of being shot by drinking a car with the intended hit riding beside him in the passenger seat when he is twice his size? Maybe if Pac never returns Suge will tell us what actually happened that day in his will or on his deathbed perhaps. If it was Suge the whole setup was risky for him. Suge is a smart businessman which is why I don't believe he would take that risk. Pay Pac that money and help him fake his death and then make some money off of his songs for that last album. Afeini suing Deathrow was because they had unreleased music of his. Deathrow was already almost dead. Just about all of its major money makers left and moved on to other things. It was clinging to these unreleased Tupac songs. Taking that away was the final blow. It was a mercy killing. Suge Knight may be bankrupt but he definitely doesn't look it. He looks like he still earns big bucks. Whether it's from drug money which it could be or a lofty business decision made years and years ago that he is living off of the fruits of remains to be seen. Maybe if Suge Knight was to be subjected to a polygraph test. It could reveal some detail into what happened. But what would be the fun in that? Haha The exciting thing about it being 2014 is that you never know. What if? Maybe he will come back, maybe not. We have all year to see. Then next year we need to find the facts. Even if he does return. We need to know what happened. And yes Enter: Makaveli, a return by Pac would change everything. It would change the way people think about things. It would be incredible.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      I don't believe surge killed PAC. He would have had good reason too because of the money issue but I don't see it happening. Don't get me wrong didn't PAC say "expect me like you expect Jesus" or something along that line ? Resurection / return?

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      Unc23 3 years ago

      The thing that gets me confused is in the video for “To Live & Die In L.A.” (Death Row, 1996), 2Pac is wearing the newest edition of the Nike Air Jordans. However, the shoes were not released by Nike until November—two months after his “death” in September

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      Truth 3 years ago

      The argument against the unreleased shoes is that, Tupac, being such a famous artist was able to get his hands on a pair before it reached the public. How long precisely before they were released did he grab a pair? Were they even created yet? I wish I knew something about shoes. Unfortunately I do not.

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      bigdaddyt 3 years ago

      After reading all of this I honestly think he's alive but idk for sure I'm just going to leave it at that.

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      Olivia 3 years ago

      K(illuminati)

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      ba ba booey 3 years ago

      I'm still looking for a page like this about Michael Jackson

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      Jenkins 3 years ago

      That's rights he's immortal now

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      Leroy 3 years ago

      I think custom shoes are not exeptional at all, neither would it be weird if the brand would mass produce haute couture, for reasons. This is a good explanation for the shoos

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      Seereason 3 years ago

      You do know that Back in 1996 In Las Vegas, Nevada. It was legal to fake your own death. He "Died" in 1996, It was all Legal back then. There was no law saying you couldn't fake death in Nevada. So that's also something interesting

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      curious!?!?! 3 years ago

      I think tupac was really shot up. I also believe he survived it and then decided to fake his death because he was possibly worried that if he walked out the hospital then he may not have another shot at life. Everyone may want to consider that maybe his mother doesn't even know.. another reason I think he is alive and was supposedly cremated,, of course the theory he faked his death and of course you can't dig up ashes and perform dental DNA testing. Yes the 7 day theory is odd. But I'm just basing my opinion on other things.. also Suge knight made a statement (quoting) "the real question is, is that maybe PACs not dead, Maybe he is out there somewhere!?!?!?" He made that statement many years after tupacs supposed death. I think the secret of tuupac being alive is eating at him and he was trying to hint around the PAC is alive, he is probably tired of carrying this secret around for all these years. Also he took the coroner $3million. Now since when does it coat that much to be cremated? That was PACs money to pay off the coroner or it was suges money and he just helped his friend.. way to many hints that he is alive than there is more evidence of his death.. just saying.. hope he does return #tupacfan

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      Truth 3 years ago

      2014 has been a year of upsets, shocks, and surprises thus far and it's only April. Who knows what awaits us this year? Also to curious!?!?!, it is possible that Pac was indeed shot that night and "chose to leave quietly." That's how his mother put it which is strange. Another thing about his mother, regarding her vow to release all of 2Pac's unreleased music. I heard about this about two years ago, and haven't heard much from Afeini since. Suge also hasn't said much after that infamous April 2012 interview where he said "Maybe Pac's not dead, Pac's somewhere else." And "Nobody seen Tupac dead." Adding to the already burning fire of theories surrounding 2Pac's death.

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      Mh cASH 3 years ago

      I BELIEVE TUPAC IS STILL ALIVE FROM THE STORE I CAN SEE NOR OF YOU SAW TUPAC'S DEATH

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      lovertattoos4ever-ismykik 3 years ago

      Tupac is alive hes in Cuba from were iv heard hope he comes back I love his music

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      Whisper 3 years ago

      I get a few of my clues from tupacs videos that were released after he was shot in Vegas. In Hail Mary there is a sword placed in a stone, that is symbolic of King Arthur. You have to watch closely for it or else you will miss it.

      What is interesting about that is the similarity between king arthurs ending and Tupacs. Both are surrounded in mystery.

      The disappearance or death of King Arthur is of the intriguing Arthurian legends . In some accounts, King Arthur was taken to the Isle of Avalon to be healed, and what happened to him after reaching the island is a mystery. Some say he lies in a cave awaiting the day he is needed again by his country, others say King Arthur died at Avalon. Apart from the somewhat dubious claim by the monks at Glastonbury to have found King Arthur's grave in the Middle Ages, no real evidence has emerged for an Arthurian grave. He is referred to as the once and future king meaning he shall return.....

      With that said, I find it extremely if not eerily clever that they chose to place a sword in a stone on the set. And the fact that it was so obscure only makes it that much more significant. The fact that they were both wounded and there is no grave no body and the belief that they will return is crazy similar. There are so many hidden clues in Tupacs posthumous videos you just have to look. And that is why I feel he is alive.

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      It's funny because I have Never seen anybody point this out...I actually "listen" to the song, and in BETTER DAYZ, an album that came out in 2002, in one of the songs, tupac says something along the lines of "got me rushed to the station,stuck in this line up,tryin' hard to hide my face,they placed the name but can't recall descriptions, that bitch trippin'"...I'm pretty sure you guys know what he's talking about...

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      Tupac 3 years ago

      IM ALIVE GUYS

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Truth, Whisper, do you guys know anything about Kadafis' death?

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      elinho in kenya 3 years ago

      I believe he is alive

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      Random girl ikram 3 years ago

      He is alive wait 7.7.14 or some time in 2014 don't worry about him not celebrating with his family on his birthdays because he is probably having a fun time in cuba with his aunt Assata Shakur in Cuba, just wait 2014.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Kadafi's death was so mysterious. It was very hard trying to find information on it. There were a few stories, one being that Kadafi, who was the only witness to the shooting who was willing to identify the shooter, was apparently at his girlfriend's house. Whether there were other people there or not remains questionable, however apparently Roddy, a cousin of one of the member of the outlawz, was with him. They got really wasted and were joking and Roddy pulled out a gun and aimed it at Kadafi saying he could kill him if he wanted to. Well then Kadafi, who was also wasted, showed Roddy he had a vest on and claimed he would have to shoot him in his head. So, Roddy aimed it at his head, and the gun went off. Kadafi was shot through his eye. The outlawz claim this is what happened. There are stories that it was a drug deal gone bad or something gang related. However the outlawz beg to differ. What I wonder is why wouldn't Roddy, if he exists, go to jail? How could the outlawz forgive him? I've never seen a picture of Kadafi's funeral, body, or even crime scene as a matter of fact. I'm not trying to claim Kadafi faked his death as well but think about it. He was 19 living on the edge. Beginning in the early 90's there was a saying that people didn't make it past the age of 25. Perhaps Tupac just wanted to ensure that his supposed half brother would make it and took him with. Again I'd love to see some evidence to the contrary if you have any. Or evidence for the theory as well. Listen to Ballad of a Dead Souljah. "Completely lost revenge at all costs, paybacks a bitch, switch now the tricks crossed, TOSSED UP AND NEVER TO BE HEARD OF, A SINGLE WITNESS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER MURDER, BLAST, TELL ME SUCKA WHAT YA SEE NOW?, A BLIND MAN AND A DEAD BODY, I'M READY TO LEAVE TOWN, AND GET MY CASH THROUGH, HOOK UP WITH KASTRO..." That whole song is probably the most symbolic of what happened. I looked up the lyrics to make sure, and yes it says Kastro not Castro, as in Kastro from the outlawz not Cuba's Castro, but it is still suspicious he chose that to say. The whole song is suspicious. As for what I think Kadafi had to do with it... The single witness screaming bloody murder, blast, a gunshot, a blind man and a dead body, meaning he is the blind man as now he does not see anything anymore, and the dead body being Pac, now Pac is ready to leave town. First he has to get his cash through, and hook up with Kastro. It is quite interesting to ponder.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      I've been checking here everyday for more clues and stuff haha but things are looking clearer hopefully he'll return.

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      Naz 3 years ago

      2pac was the best. Hope it is true and he returns. How amazing would that be?

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Maybe he got killed because he refused to talk....

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      ALIVE 3 years ago

      2014 BROTHERS, JUST WAITING!

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      D.R.R. 3 years ago

      What do you all think of this? I have found it on a dutch pages some dude is reaction on something. I just have translate it from dutch to english (in google) Please let me know what you think about it. This is the text:

      If you really want to know by whom Tupac is murdered, I would recommend you to book ' The killing or Tupac Shakur ' to read. Is written by a crime journalist who has experienced up close the police inquiry. Check on youtube also interviews with detective Brent Becker. He led the research in 1996. There are also documents of Tupac's file posted on the site by the FBI. These are hard to read because some names are crossed out, but does provide a very good picture about who did it and what evidence the police have.

      The one who killed tupac is Orlando Anderson ... Member of the Southside crips. He had a few months before the shooting a member of death row beaten up and robbed along with 7 other crips. On the evening of the shooting, at the MGM grand hotel, recognized this member Anderson and left him to 2pac. 2pac gave him a slap and the rest of death row also competed. In revenge for this is 2pac killed.

      The LAPD thinks for the following reasons that Anderson/crips behind the murder are:-an informant in the crips has stated that anderson has bragged about the murder.

      -Anderson was a month after the death of tupac busted for another murder (for which he was never indicted) and police found a glock 40 under his bed. With this type of weapon was tupac shot at. Only the weapon is never lost and it is examined on vinderafdrukken. Stupid stupid stupid!!!!

      -The employee designated to tupac that Anderson's death row, in the presence of an informant and other bloods stated that ' tupac is shot by the crip who he has beaten in each other '. Anderson so.

      -Anderson stayed together with the crips in the Luxor hotel, near the hotel of tupac and his crew. One of the crips that was checked in the hotel, had to his credit a white caddilac rented from a car company in LA. This white caddilac is never reduced and according to an informant is the caddilac repainted and no longer recognizable. The perpetrators reason in a white caddilac.

      -And what about the white caddilac ... in the days after Tupac's death there were shootings in compton place between bloods and crips. According to informants by the murder of tupac. There were 21 bloods and crips arrested and later released. One crip took out the other crip of the police station with a white caddilac. The police only had a picture taken of the caddilac and has not investigated. This was perhaps the chance to solve the case.

      If you see above points you surprised that anderson never has been indicted. This is because the Las Vegas police found that there are also witness statements. They thought to have a stronger case as witness statements match the findings of the informants. While this was not necessary. The only witness who wanted to cooperate (Yaki Gaddafi by the outlawz), was shot dead two months later and not heard (his nephew has admitted to have him accidentally shot at and has been here for 7 years). We also want to Suge Knight etc. do not cooperate with the police and there are no other witnesses obsolete.

      In short: by informants know the police that Anderson did it, but he was never caught because the police of Las Vegas think they necessarily need witnesses.

      Even in the case of O.j. Simpson, there was less evidence and he was arrested. The police of Las Vegas had the case must hand over to the District Attorney. An average jury would have found Anderson guilty.

      In the UNITED STATES are gang Affairs often only solve by informants or technical evidence, because witnesses often do not want to cooperate. In Tupac's case there was no technical evidence, but the perpetrators from both gangs have informers designated. This should be enough.

      And according to the FBI files are the driver of the white caddilac and the one that Anderson have given the weapon, shot during the crip/blood gang war after Tupac's death. The fourth person in the caddilac sat still lives. The other crips who were present on that night in Las Vegas sit in the ball for other crimes or his death.

      If you have all the conspiracy theories you achterwegen late and focuses on the real facts you can see that it is not a mystery.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      People who were involved also stated that it was Orlando's uncle who did the job. It makes sense. A guy gets beat up and retaliates. However nothing else adds up. It is very possible Orlando orchestrated it. It is very possible he did shoot Tupac, but what I want to know is not who were the prime suspects, not who the police believe did it, or anything like that. I've known about Anderson since the beginning of my investigation. Just because he was killed a year or two after doesn't mean it was retaliation for Pac. Like you said, he was a member of the Southside Crips. It was bound to happen especially with people suspicious of him being the shooter. It doesn't mean he did anything. Also time plays an important factor in this story as well. Orlando Anderson was held at the MGM Grand Hotel by officers due to the scuffle. Pac and his crew were gone already. From that point time plays a role in it. How long would it take Orlando to make it to the Luxor from the MGM and inform his crew, and get everything organized in regards to payback, and the find Pac. Would it be possible? The questions I need answered are, is he dead? Is he alive? There is substantial evidence pointing to the claim that he was shot that night but where is the evidence that he in fact passed away? We have all the reason to believe this is still a mystery, not a closed case. Until somebody who knows something about what happened fesses up we may never know what truly occurred. That though is perhaps the best evidence suggesting that he did get shot and that Orlando was the culprit. But what happened after that? Why were there so many stories as to what happened? Some suggesting that he was able to speak and maintain a conversation. What would you do if you were Pac in the hospital knowing people were after you after you've just been shot for the second time? Would you risk going out into the world again or would you make a drastic decision to save your life? Would you come up with a plan to make sure you would never have to feel the burn of a bullet again? That is if he was actually conscious. Perhaps he was unconscious...For the entire 7 day period, from shooting until death.

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      D.R.R. 3 years ago

      Like you comment a lot. It gaves me new things to think about. But if pac is still alive it don't make sense that he will come back.

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      cheeks23 3 years ago

      I'm 50/50 on whether he is alive or not.. I guess you can say I'm optimistically skeptic at times lol. .. But I was wondering if anyone like The Feds ever checked tupacs financials back then .. If he did fake his own death he had to have taken a lot of money with him

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      D.R.R. 3 years ago

      The money that he make (or Suge/death row) was a lot more after his death. Because he was really popular at that moment. And if pac really fake his own death. i think that the feds were paid to, so that pac can fake his own death. But that's how I think.

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      NiaShakur 3 years ago

      I believe that Pac is alive, but there are so many reasons against this belief, one of his most famous quotes is 'I'd rather die like a man than live like a coward'. Don't get me wrong, I love 2pac, he is the best rapper that ever lived, I am west coast through and through, however if he is alive, staying in hiding since 1996 and breaking the hearts of all his fans, seems pretty cowardly to me. On the other hand, his subliminal messages and the Machiavelli theory are too coincidental to ignore. I pray that he comes back, I have faith that he will come back this year, but if he does return, one thing for sure is I will be one of his loyal fans waiting.

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      arinalve 3 years ago

      all the reasons why tupac could still be alive make sense. i just checked the video where his "hologram" appeared in coachella 2012. he did greet "what's up coachella". and you goddammned right that coachella has only existed since 1999. and as it has been rumourted til now that tupac was dead in 1996. there is no way that he could greet what's up coachella before he died. unless he really did during his performance in that festival.

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Arinalve...please do some research first....and Truth...there is something you don't give enough attention to...look my friend....you need to look there!The answer is right in your face...this week, I learned something I really shouldn't have learnt...even doe this is what I have been looking for....I can't tell you what it is doe....sorry man

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Why was my previous post deleted?

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Idk man but please type it again...it is going to put Truth on the right path...I wish I could tell you all the answer....but please just it again! Thank you

      -Ninja

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      TheOneAfterPac 3 years ago

      We'll just have to wait...

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      Truth 3 years ago

      I am all ears Mrkmlnr.

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Okay if my post, which should be right here before this post, is deleted again. I've put my message in my profile, click on my name and you will see the message i've put several times on this hub.

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      jamie morgan from barry south wales uk 3 years ago

      I hope he is still there with us all I do think he is alive lets hope he dose come bk this year he got me threw my 28 years ov this life thug life babey

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      ke 3 years ago

      Yep hes alive. Coming back on june 7th 2014... its april 2014 20th now. Be prepared for is returning

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      dom 3 years ago

      So if he returns he will be 43 and will bring back hip hop

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      What i am interested in is the coroners report, who brought this official piece in the media and how large is the option that is it modified?

      And who brought out the autopsy photo? These two things should be enough info, if proven real and thus fake. (personally i believe that they are faked for his death) that he is still alive. I recently saw a video of that his aunt is now on the most wanted list of the FBI. And that she moved to Cuba to live and proceed her political actions there. But it stays with guessing i think..

      The y-theory doesn't sound like a reasonable theory to me, i mean the way they perform a autopsy is always in this form. And come on, they always search with a metal detector or such thing if you pass trough a secured area like a football stadium..

      And i think i've come to a point that i want to look at every single piece of information reasonable, with in my thoughts that he is still alive. I mean, he is smart enough to think it all out. He had enough money to make it all happen.

      The information that i think is worth thinking about are the (well known) 7 days theory, an escape route planned with a paid "white woman" to mislead the media and people, and the official coroners report and autopsy photo. These things, like the social number that is still ACTIVE? what?

      And to comment on the Kasanova theory, the only thing that got my mind was that in the video the voice of Kasanova and the voice of supposedly Tupac are compared to each other. I clearly hear a difference in the voice, tempo and articulation. But yet again, maybe it is what i want to hear. And is Kas just a guy who has a voice so freeking similar to Tupac's.. But a great, great coincidence in a collection of so many theories... Too much coincidence for me. I believe that he could be alive, if he comes back it would have such an impact that he could be the next frigging president haha.

      Nice to meet you, cause i really like to talk more and more about this with you guys!

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      knowledge 3 years ago

      Wow haha

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      sway_knee 3 years ago

      Hi guys I was just watching a video and was wondering what your take on it would be, the news channek when he got shot said he was taken by ambulance, but in the film notorious when biggie film out with lil cease I think it is the lady on the news say " shakur was air lifted the the last vagas university medical centre with 4 gun shot wonds and is reported to be in a critical state"

      Peace man

      Also ive seen a video with frank Alexander he said " I was told by another one of are security guards that was a body gard that he had exscorted pac to the aeroplane as they were leaving newyork, and tupac told him, specifically told him, that he was a dead man walking"

      If he knew"he was a dead man walking" if he went there why did he go ive seen a video im not sure who the guy was but he said pac had told him he didn't want to go and wben the guy got there he was surprised to see pac there"

      Also I was wondering if any of you have heard of a guy called troy farrell ge helped the davis mortuary with the removal of "pacs" body due to a request of pacs mother.. the same troy farrell is now the anatomy lab director of medical research institute of navada where he is in charge of all the unclamed bodies he is also on the committee of anatomical dissection

      The navada law states that these bodys must be kept for 30 days and then be cremated.. was the body that was said to be pacs that got cremated one of these bodys??

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      Asim Muzamil 3 years ago

      07

      07 (June)

      2014 (2+0+1+4=7)

      Age 43 (4+3=7)

      The biggest comeback......

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Truth....here's another YouTube official page....new album coming out soon...all I can say for now..

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Brainless, where can i find this youtube official page you're talking about?

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      sway_knee 3 years ago

      I would also like to know brainless

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      pj 3 years ago

      Ive done a lot of homework on this and you've got the mystery 7s. His album killuminati dom has him on a cross like he is being resurrected.and it says exit tupac enter makaveli. Also nobody has seen him dead and cremated the day after even tho its illegal.really? All the pay offs and the hints in different artists songs more or less saying he is alive.the only proof anyone has that he is dead is a photo of a man after postmortem which has missing tatoos and wrong height, body weight ,eye and hair colour.and wven a police officer stated that the picture did not come from the police force. There have been sightings of him(too many to be coincidence). I could go on and on.HE IS ALIVE.and id like someone else to prove otherwise. 2014 is going to be a big year

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      pj 3 years ago

      Also spell makaveli backwards ilev = I live, akam = I come

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      melissa 3 years ago

      They say he's in Cuba. I know he's alive....

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      ....I really want to tell y'all what I know but I don't want to risk it...I feel like I've given enough clues....but I guess I can give y'all one last one...last

      Clue: it's something we've talked about on this page...AM ALIVE K...MAKAVELI THA DON....the government is watching...7s...

      P.S. I am not sure if I'm being tricked but it really doesn't feel like I'm being tricked...

      Mrkmlnr...the answer is in something you said that got deleted...it got deleted for a reason...

      -Ninja

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      TuPac4life 3 years ago

      When and if he dose come back Lil Wayne will be getting a job at Mc.Donald's

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      pj 3 years ago

      Brainless what are u talking about? Have you found undoubtable proof? If posts with meaning are being deleted then who runs these sights?

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      I can't say it's undoubtable but it sounds pretty legit to me...but I guess only time will tell...and as for your second question, I don't know who runs this site but I found it really suspicious that out of all these comments, the comment with "MY ANSWER" got deleted...

      PS. I gave another clue...

      -Ninja

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      Truth 3 years ago

      My post about the coroners report got deleted a while after I posted it a bit back. Some of you saw it but some didn't I presume and I didn't have it saved anywhere. It really went into depth with the whole Kasinova theory and coroner's report.

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      pj 3 years ago

      Yeah very strange brainless.and truth I would have liked to have read that coroners report you put up.can't we all chat somewhere else?on facebook maybe

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Brainless, because my first post was deleted i saved my posts in a Word document. I am putting the one, i think you mean, online again. My thought was that my post was deleted because of the links to Youtube.

      But i think that if that's the reason Poeticphilosophy (you are the author right Poeticphilosophy? So you make the calls about the posts that are being deleted or that can stay online?) can just say that in a post. if that is really what's up, just say it already. Otherwise it is hiding certain messages from the others, and i think that is pathetic.

      Truth, the post that was deleted from you did it include links? Or was it 'just' a text post?

      And PJ, that's exactly what i am thinking.. If our posts are deleted here, while we are sharing our found clues and other information, maybe there's a better place to discuss this. But if the author wouldn't delete certain posts there wouldn't be any problem...

      So to make myself clear Poeticphilosophy; i am not attacking you with these words, nor am i disrespecting this hub. But i want a answer to my question; why are the posts being deleted? As you can read i am not the only one that's having this question..

      Brainless.. one last question; The answer i should have said in one of my deleted posts (that i saved) is it about Kasanova and the 2 different voices in different tracks?

      Greetings MRKMLNR

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Sorry guys. I know it's selfish of me it not give you guys the answer but "the government is watching". Truth, yes you're on to something...and MRKMLNR...idk if your post got deledet again because I don't see it...maybe try putting your post without the YouTube links. And MRKMLNR... ... .

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      pj 3 years ago

      If the government is watchimng then surely they would know more info than us as they have a lot more ways and manpower to find the answers.so what's the problem if us little people are doing some digging and finding things.most of it is common sense anyway.

      And poetic philosophy, you put this page up to find proof that tupac is alive and you've been doing the same as us and doing some digging so why are posts being deleted. Otherwise it makes this hub quite pointless.just saying

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Ok ok. Last clue for a while and after this, I'll be ignoring your question...the answer is in the album Better Dayz...

      The government can't do shit because a few of us actually know the answer...and if something was to happen, then we would snitch everything! But if everybody knew, the government would just say fuck it and do something....you know what I'm talking about? Have you ever fought 2 guys both twice your size? I have! In the beginning, I wasn't trying to hurt them because if they got mad, they could kill me. But at the end of the fight, when I couldn't even walk, I just said fuck it and gave one of the guys my strongest punch. Because I knew no matter what, I am getting my ass handed to me....

      If you guys don't find the answer in 6 months, I'll just give you another clue. And if at the end of the year, my answer was not the right one, I will tell my answer and why I taught I was right...

      UK,London

      -Ninja

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      farhan141 3 years ago from Islamabad, Pakistan

      Brainless why are u acting suspicious? We all know about Better Dayz hidden track mentioning: Expect me to come back like you expect Jesus.

      I have another useful info to add. Search up Blac Haze (had similar voice to 2pac), he released two albums but when people started calling him 2pac he just disappeared and few years later Kasinova appeared...

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      Aden 3 years ago

      Ok so y'all know about the 7 repeating all the time. Ya ok so Tupac died in Vegas the Sin City right! There are 7 deadly sins. Just something else to put in there.

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Yes my post which was deleted did have links I believe. Since it's promoting another website it gets deleted. Some manage to make it somehow but it was the only post of mine which was deleted and it was the only one I believe in which I included links. And hmmm Brainless, there are so many things it could be... I feel as though I am onto something with this but there is so much information to sort through it is very difficult to try and figure out what you are trying to reference. Or perhaps I am just overthinking it. He says "the government is watching." This gives me something to think about for awhile. As for people trying to also solve this, look through my posts and see what you can find which relates to the government. We should be able to figure this out in 6 months.

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      farhan141 3 years ago from Islamabad, Pakistan

      Truth add me on facebook... Add farhan141 as profile link :)

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      keke 3 years ago

      He only faked his death because the Illuminati is after him for exposing their plans and things they have done... Hence the name killuminati as far as him coming back i wouldn't get my hopes up im pretty sure he wants to stay alive and out of trouble but at the same time maybe he would make a comeback to prove to the world he still here and expose the truth to the non believers abt the Illuminati

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      minion 3 years ago

      yes there a lot f posts being deleted especially over the past few months i persnally had 7 deleted within the time frame pf maybe 5 days, i personaly believe it is because we are getting closer to an answer, u don't see the troll pasts being deleted it is the infoormative ones with the info. i havthet e spent 10 years at least researching 2pac and catching glimpses of kadafi and i have come to the conclusion that they are both alive, pac feked his death and kadafi folllowed. but altho i love the quotes that get posted in youtube videos and forums like this 1 and bigger

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      minion 3 years ago

      uggh sorry guys my laptop sucks..... anyway as i was saying pac and kadafi are alive but i believe there is to much focus put on pacs lyrics and reading and deciphering lyrics and fining evidence aloong those lines is what make a person a conspiracy researcher compared to actual evidence based reporting... truth and knowledge i love your work on here but there is to much rambling without actual evidence. i said awhie ago altho i think it was deleted to start digging around pacs famiy and booth his and theres connevtions and not just use the same old lines spat out by the vids on youtube..... start thinking outside the square

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      Tupacisalive 3 years ago

      Hey truth do u know what brainless has that he won't tell us

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      Truth 3 years ago

      He hasn't told me. He said I was on the right idea though. So now I have to see if I can pick through my ideas and find out what he was speaking about. I do not wish to give out my personal information such as social network profiles. The reason I began commenting on here was due to the anonymity.

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      Tupacisalive 3 years ago

      hey truth he said that he can't take the risk of commenting it on here so maybe he has the real answer on Tupac

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Fuck it! I don't want to risk it! Just in case my answer is not the right one! So I'm going to tell y'all my answer. My answer would be Kasinova tha don and Bla Haze...Poeticphilosophy...I'm the only ninja in the room...so please cl

      E out of the shadows..

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Waw...I gave all my answer but it got deleted...but I'll do it again!

      Fuck it! I don't want to risk it! So I'm going to give y'all my answer. Now keep in mind, my answer may not be the right one. Kasinova...yes. Kasinova tha don is my answer...if y'all want to know why I think that, I can explain. And

      Poeticphilosophy...I'm the only ninja in the room! So please come

      Out of the shadows.

      -Ninja

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      Farhan141 3 years ago

      I already mentioned blac Haze but go on explain yourself.

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      D.R.R. 3 years ago

      Look at some pictures on g.o.o.g.l.e and you will find Some picture's of kasanova with his hands high and arms to hide thug life... But if you look very good you will see the tattoo! Just a little thing to let you all know!!

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      Tim 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      according to TMZ.com a few minutes ago, Suge Night says Tupac is alive!

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      I swear guys! I have nothing to do with suge knight! It is pure coincidence that suge reveals that tupac ain't dead right after I said its kasinova...

      Now let's get started. The Outlawz lost

      2 members (Kadafi and Tupac)...and they find a new guy who has tupac's voice and another voice....and did you

      Know that it is in fact a member of the Outlawz who found Kasinova? And they are both working together now...did you know Kasinova gives

      Out random clues in is Facebook status? Where is Blac Haze? Why did he leave? Tupac goes away--Blac Haze comes....Blac Haze goes away--Kasinova comes...did you know Kasinova made a dissed track to Rick Ross's "2Pac"...it was a solo diss....

      So let me get this straight: a famous guy talks shit about tupac. And not-so-famous guy protects tupac. And he the diss, Kasinova says "I'm back"... Now I'm not sure if kadafi's voice is kasinova's second voice but still...and about Better Dayz...in one of the songs, tupac says "Let my little cousin K ride, he's a rider now". He might of been referring to Kadafi but I've never heard Tupac call Kadafi "k"....Tupac died in New Jersey. And guess where Kasinova was born...Yep! New Jersey.... If y'all want more, I can give you

      More..

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      Ali1704 3 years ago

      If he didnt come at 2014 i still beleive his alive and he will come back because he could come at 2017 because i heard that in a song he says"7years...7years...7years" and 7+7+7= 21 . 1996+21= 2017 and in 2017 there is 7 . I think he will come at 7/7/2017

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      Ali1704 3 years ago

      And by the way Kadafi is a terrorist

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      I'm back, truth, what do you think of sugeknight claiming puff killed tupac then claiming he's alive. The truth is getting closer and closer

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Alii...what are you talking about?

      Do you guys need more evidence as to why I think Kasinova is Tupac?

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      #22 3 years ago

      Brainless.. It would be great if you would give us more...

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      Farhan 3 years ago

      Ofc brainless

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      Plot 3 years ago

      I think I figured out what the plan is

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Makaveli is going to return at age 43. Idk if it will be as soon as becomes 43 but before he turns 44. remember the tupac resurrection secret menu.

      "secrets will come out" as the clock turns from 4:02 to 4:03 42 to 43

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      @Poeticphilosophy

      And once again all the comments with links are gone..

      Poeticphilosophy, i am asking you once again; why are the comments deleted? is it because of the links? is there another way that i (and other people in this hub) can post a normal comment with a normal URL to a YouTube video?

      I really hope you can find the energy to type an answer.. I am getting tired of it that the posts are being deleted but that you stay silent.

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      @Truth, Whisper, Knowledge and Brainless

      What do you guys think of the statement from Suge Knight? (Bat115 gave us the info 3 days ago via TMZ)

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      changes 3 years ago

      mrk i think the only relevant line suge said in his rant was this "You know he somewhere smokin' a Cuban cigar.”

      to many people coming out and mentioning cuba so they either want us to know he is in cuba or they are saying cuba to throw everyone off the trail.

      also i agree, STOP deleting the posts with the links posted in them, the links are helpful amongst the discussion. Maybe somebody should create a new discussion board where everyone here can discuss the topic without having to worry about information being deleted.

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      TwinPac 3 years ago

      Hi guys, probably not anything, but in the song "I Don't Give a F*ck" 2Pac said "While he thinks that he's getting over, I bust a move as smooth as Casanova". Apparently he meant Giacomo Casanova, an Italian writer from several hundred years ago, much like Niccolò Machiavelli (Pac's changed name "Makaveli"?) who as everyone knows faked his own death. But what if it was a foretelling of Kasinova? I just thought I'd post this, as I said it's probably nothing.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      The line about him In Cuban I find it is something suge would say. He's said that before. But blaming did then claiming he's alive is quiet weird.

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      This time he blamed diddy for shooting 2pac but finishes it off saying he survived the shooting. "every rat in the world said it was diddy who killed Tupac OR had him shot""

      I think 2pac was actually shot but wasn't hit as bad as they say.

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      changes 3 years ago

      just found a video of the full interview with the "white lady" Paige Hemmis from after Pac was shot, not only saying that Pac was taken away in a helicopter after being shot which everyone here would already know, but also mentions that two men who were driving a small white car were apprehended and after being questioned for five to ten minutes were handcuffed, arrested, and taken away by the police.

      If we are giving any credit to the helicopter theory which started because of Paige Hemmis interview then the arrest of two males is interesting also (unless we already know who the two men were?).

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      His Biopic comes out 2015. IF he is going to play himself in the movie they say the shooting of the film begins this summer. (June)

      if he's going to play himself in the movie he'd have to make his return before the shooting of the movie starts as it's scheduled to be shooting in America. it would be so EPIC if it's PAC playing him self in this movie...idk who else could do it justice!

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Guys...Kasinova? Where does it come from? Casanova? Or Quasi-Nova? (Search up the words "quasi" and "nova"...credits to my friend Edwin Sermonia. Also, if Kasinova is a fake, why would he be working with the Outlawz?

      And I'm just a bit lazy but can somebody put Kasinova, Kadafi and Blac Haze and try to make something suspicious?...( Makaveli= am alive k).

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      Farhan 3 years ago

      Brainless tell me what can u make from them?

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      Tim 3 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      I believe ya, Brainless, Thank You for sharing what you have!

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      changes 3 years ago

      blac haze has been proven not to be 2pac, search blac haze on you tube and there is a video of a blac haze concert, brainless you should watch it. im still open to the idea that kasinova may have something to do with pac once again there is a video posted on y tube this 1 has kasinova rapping in his 4wd and at the end theres a guy sitting in the back seat and apparently kas turns and says sup pac and slaps hands with him. you only get to see the guy in backs, hand and gold bracelet. and kas saying sup pac isnt clear but its something im sure you would like to jump on. im not posting links anymore because they get deleted just search kasinova and pac shouldnt take long to dig up,

      also another interesting thing to do with kasinova and pac and 2014 is this, pac dissapeared at age 25, returns 2014. kasinova 25 in 2014 funny coincidence i think

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Kas turns 25 this year? I couldn't find anything about that. where did u get that info?

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      Madison 3 years ago

      Have you guys followed Kasinova on Facebook? Check out what he posts.

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      Madison 3 years ago

      This might be really far fetched but what about Makaveli = Am Alive K.. Kasinova

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      changes 3 years ago

      Kasinova is already 25 atm i think, i cant remember where i found it but it was on a page somewhere lol, madison it doesn't sound so far fetched, especially when both Makavelli and Kasinova call themselves tha don. i cant imagine Kasinova would spell his name with a k and call himself tha don without a reason, and also why doesn't Kasinova get trashed by other rappers and people in the industry for copying 2pac?

      I dont follow Kasinova on Facebook not really into Facebook but Facebook does seem to be a pretty useful tool for finding stuff out about this topic.

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      Madison 3 years ago

      The only reason I asked about Facebook is because he is either 1. playing into the conspiracies about Pac or 2. really trying to hint something to everyone. You're right, changes, why wouldn't other rappers blast him. Also, I found an interview with him and he sounds nothing like the way he raps. Some of his Facebook posts are:

      "Kas tro" (right after Suge's comments)

      "Suge's comments...?... ." (seven dots)

      "The '7' represents a 'T'hinker and a searcher of 'T'ruth

      I am a seeker of Truth, and the 7 dots represent my steps ......."

      "The shift is coming. 7"

      ...et cetera

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      Truth 3 years ago

      We have found out so much. We are on the point of a breakthrough. The interview with Suge is huge. While I would like to believe this absolutely proves it I'm not sure as it is Suge a Knight we are dealing with. However, what does he have to gain? What does he have to win by claiming this? He was there when it went down so he should know. We are so close to an answer everybody, I feel it.

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      changes 3 years ago

      @madisun

      yea he speaks completely different to his music, and the songs of Kasinova i have listened to sound a bit computerized to me, like auto tuned or whatever you call it.

      @truth

      Suge has had alot to say over the years about 2pac's disappearance but like you said, its coming from Suge lol. If your like me then you dont know whether to take him seriously or with a grain of salt, so i listen and then try to find some proof to back up what he has said. However i do think Suge knows alot if not the whole story of whats happened but like he says he aint no snitch but for him not to speak up to clear his own name (Suge only thinks of Suge), remember there alot of people that believe Suge set it up means to me that he is more scared of revealing what happened then he is of going to prison for a crime he didn't commit.

      The thing that gets me about Suge and the other rappers that mention pacs in cuba, or 2pacs back, or whatever else is why do it? there has to be a reason behind it besides it being the hot topic of the moment. Why would Treach tell everyone Pac is hiding in Cuba at a concert, or mention it to an interviewer when he thought he was off camera, He and Pac were tight. why would dre and snoop do a hologram surely if they didn't have a better reason for it other than it would be a good money spinner than why would they do it? nobody ever bothered doing it for biggie, aliyah, left eye, big pun, Eazy e, etc and they all have massive followings. Eminem has mentioned Pac and Cuba, even t-pain has dropped a line. also interesting that not so long after these artists started dripping little bits and pieces of info to the public the fbi put 2pacs godmother Assata as the number 1 most wanted and a 2mill bounty on her, and where does she live? CUBA.

      To many coincidences and in my view something will be revealed sometime soon, Also i find it interesting that the year Pac is suppose to return is the year they finally decide to make his biopic with Pac's friends john singleton and LT Hutton writing and producing.

      anyways just a few other things to think about i guess, and truth your right, there is a ton of info here, just a shame the y tube links keep getting deleted there would be a whole lot more here and we would be a whole lot more closer if they would stop disapearing.

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Truth, I know....we're are so close but yet so far.

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      And i've checked. Kasinova is 27...

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Wow @changes you hit it right on the spot. I find it very strange that also why would a man leave behind so much clues and make so much music seemingly to know he was going to die. They part that gets me most worried about it is that he's only 25 and even his mother has said there's so much music they can release over 5 more albums, also this was back in the 1990s. Think about it I know other artist have songs left but not as much a 2pac does.

      Here's what I believe. I think that night he knew something was up and he was actually shot. Seeming all the legal trouble and family issues and people after him while in the hospital or even already set up he slipped away and went to Cuba. I also find it strange only one person Paige hemisphere was interviewed and her story was totally different from suge. I posted info on here a while back with links to a video of a woman with the outlawz after the filming of California love with a woman who looks just like her nose hair and facial structure. The even crazier part is she famous now lol. She starred on extreme home make over a while back

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Cathy Scott says a government authority gave her the autopsy photo!

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Russell Poole stated before that the pic didn't come from the police. so who is the govt authority that gave her the pic?

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      It's fake @Rich87

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      changes 3 years ago

      Cathy Scott says alot of things, apparently she has even copyrighted that autopsy photo which i find funny considering she is a journalist and has nothing to do with the shakur's. The autopsy photo doesn't match with the tattoos Pac had at the time, the major 1 is the tattoo pac had on the same side of his neck that we see in the autopsy photo, in the photo there is no tattoo there and thats the biggest giveaway to that photo being a fake. However she mentions that the mortuary van drove three blocks undetected and unfollowed from the hospital to the mortuary, and that both the death certificate and autopsy reports aren't public information because of the on going investigation. So even though there is apparently a death certificate issued pac's social security number is still active, and the autopsy report that was verifyed by the person who done the autopsy even admitted an autopsy report could be easily faked, has been proven to be wrong. Pacs information on it, such as height, weight, eye colour. is wrong by alot, also the guy that is now in charge of the unclaimed bodies i forget his name at the moment he was requested by Afeni to deal with the body of pac

      "In February 1997, SUN reporter Cathy Scott went to the Clark County Office of Vital Statistics and viewed Tupac Shakur's death certificate. The only copy released was to his mother, Afeni Shakur. The original is on file with the county. "

      "His mother, Afeni Shakur, made a positive identification of his body at 5 p.m. at the hospital. His body was then taken by Davis Mortuary to the morgue, three blocks away. An autopsy was performed and the official cause of death was respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary arrest in connection with multiple gunshot wounds."

      there quotes from cathy scott so if we are to beleive what she says then the person who can squash it all now is Afeni pacs mother, so why hasnt she? she only has to show the death certificate, claim pacs multi million dollar life insurance that is still unclaimed, and provide any other information needed to prove he is dead. i read an interview somewhere that she still has pacs ashes and they are guarded by a family member. If true why are they guarded? More than enough time has passed since it all began she cant still be playing the poor grieving mother card, and hide behind her mourning. Afeni needs to squash it and not keep it going by saying things like "Pac left quietly"

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      @Changes Tmz tomorrow morning this gonna be interesting!

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      "Scott tells us she's convinced the image in the video is the real deal -- she's the one who complained to YouTube -- but Tupac impersonator Richard Garcia tells TMZ he's actually the stiff.

      Garcia says he was hired to re-create the autopsy for the video's anti-gun violence theme -- and it required 8 hours of makeup ... even though it only appears for a quick moment.

      We told Scott about Garcia's role -- but she insists the image is TOO perfect, and must be the photo."

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      changes 3 years ago

      Holy shit! well if garcia is telling the truth then it completely blows Cathy scotts credibility out of the water. i know it sounds far fetched but would be to much of a stretch to link garcia to 2pac? could garcia be getting paid from somebody who is in on it to 1. tell the story of the autopsy photo, and 2. to dress up and make public appearances? i know its far fetched but most of the theories and to do with this topic are far fetched but also make sense at the sametime

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      changes 3 years ago

      uggh and thats what happens when you jump to conclusions like i just did, after reading the article tmz are talking about a recreation of the autopsy pic in a wyclef jean video made recently that was pulled from you tube im guessing for copyright infringment because Cathy Scott owns the copyright on the original autopsy photo and she complained to y tube about it. TMZ and garcia are not talking about when the original autopsy photo showed up in 97 or 98.

      uggh sorry guys i got ahead of myself

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      very eerie that all of this is happening right before his birthday next month,

      and remember that video from resurrection i said. he said secrets were gonna come out as the clock turns from 42 to 43.

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      BET has picked up the story.

      "Much of her book's notoriety banked on that pic, in fact. Las Vegas police launched an investigation to determine how the photo leaked; Scott never revealed her source — not even when she was offered upwards of $100,000 from tabloid publishers."

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      changes 3 years ago

      This is taken from an article by Cathy Scott

      "While the autopsy report is not deemed by Nevada state law to be public information, the coroner's report is available to the public. However, after I bought a copy for $5, an office employee later said it had been given to me in error, and that they would not be releasing it to anyone because of the ongoing homicide investigation. To my knowledge, I am the only reporter to have a copy of that report. Six 35-millimeter photos taken during and after the autopsy are on file at the coroner's office, along with the autopsy report. "

      that BET report pretty much just says the same as what tmz says however the article on BET about Suge trying to get a book written by his ex and mother of two of his children Stormey Ramdhan is interesting.

      "Ramdhan, the mother of two of Suge's children, has been promoting herself as "the woman behind the most feared man in hip-hop" for a page-turner that she says is one of, "unconditional love, innocence, lies, betrayal, jail, and ultimately abandonment;" and one that will "expose the untold Death Row story," including details about Tupac's death."

      Suge says

      "I don't have nothing negative to say, but that's not my ex, that wasn't my fiancée," Suge insisted, adding that she hasn't been around him much since the Death Row heyday in the '90s"

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      thanx for that .Funny though...cuz now she says it was given to her and that she didn't buy it. n was told to do anything she wanted with it. by govt authority

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Damn...Im lost.

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      In the year 1996 March onwards, 2pac used to visit this one particular ill patient who had an incurable disease and wanted to perform euthanasia because he could not deal with any more suffering.

      2pac gave hope to this person and this person in return said to 2pac if there is anything I could possibly do for you I would.

      This person who looked somewhat like him was eventually going to die that year.

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      changes 3 years ago

      @analyze

      I have also read that same story myself, if i remember right, that patient was also being treated at the same hospital pac was taken to in vegas (i am not totally sure though). Since you have mentioned this story this maybe of note.

      This is also lifted from a Cathy Scott article.

      "According to statements on the four-page coroner's report, Tupac Shakur's remains were positively identified by his mother, Afeni Shakur. The autopsy determined that Tupac didn't have any illegal drugs in his system. He was, however, heavily sedated during his hospital stay, it says."

      I will repeat the line in case it was missed "The autopsy determined that Tupac didn't have any illegal drugs in his system."

      Everyone knows Pac was a more than regular weed smoker however even though marijuana can be detected in your body system weeks or more after smoking it there was no trace of it in his blood?

      Also with thanks to Cathy Scott, this is from the Death certificate of Tupac that she printed.

      "Shakur's occupation was listed as "rap singer" and the company he worked for was shown as "Euphanasia" in Los Angeles, Calif. "

      So Pac had a close acquaintance who wanted to be euthanised (euthanasia), that same man was due to die in 1996, and Pac creates a record label named euphanisia, and that label was listed as Pacs employer. Add to that the mortuary van wasn't watched at all when moving Pacs body ( as already quoted above).

      A nice coincidence i guess.

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      Bri 3 years ago

      2Pac is dead, He just wanted people to talk about him thinking hea alive so no one forgets him.. If everyone knew he was dead it would of been done and over with. He knew that if he added lyrics tomake people think hes alive, then he would never be forgotten. Rip 2pac

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      bri 3 years ago

      When you die people forget, He knew that, which is why he added clues to make people think he's alive, so they never forget him. Common sense...

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      lol bri don't be so dense

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      changes 3 years ago

      well bri don't just ramble on, show us proof.... just don't use the autopsy pic, or anything from frank, Cathy Scott or Las Vegas pd

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      imissyoupac;( 3 years ago

      I all ways cry fingers cross if he don't come then rip I will cry everyday I really love I think about you Evey I look in the sky and when I go to bed when people die you should care go to there grave and put a flower you may miss them but you know that is how life is rip if you are gone for ever if your in Cuba stay happy and come back is maybe 2014 or 2015 just let's see he don't come let him rest in peace he is a good man if he died he is in heaven

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      bri 3 years ago

      There is no proof of him dead or alive, He was obvious a smart man, which is why he did what he did with his lyrics cause he knew that people wouldnr forget. If he comes back 7/7/14 that would be sick, i love tupac, nothing against him. I just dont think hes coming back. He wanted his death to be a conspiracy so he would never go away.

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Bri, For a government authority to give out an autopsy photo and tell Cathy Scott to do anything she wants with it is shady as hell.Russel Poole has stated it did not come from their file. ( The police) I do not think she is lying.

      Will anything become of it? of course not it's higher government authority!

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      She has ad kendrick lamar's video hiii power taking down by youutube. he uses the actual photo too.

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      Mario 3 years ago

      hey!!! 1000 reports of tupac in haiti!!! haitis water% is 0.7!!!!

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      Truth 3 years ago

      The fact that Bri said "When you die people forget", shows how ignorant people can be these days. That is absolutely not true. At times I still feel as though Michael Jackson is still here his music is so powerful. His legacy will be remembered. The Notorious B.I.G. is still remembered by many many people today and will never fade away. I can go on and on and prove you even more wrong but I think I've made my point. Tupac did not need a conspiracy theory to follow him in his demise for people to remember him by. And Rich87 that's a good observation how sudden all these Tupac related reports have been appearing. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens. 2014 if anything, hopefully, will be the year we solve the case of what happened to Tupac Shakur in September 1996. Whether we get a return and it turns out he's alive, or someone finally presenting the conclusive undeniable evidence that he is dead like his mother showing his ashes, or at the very least more stories like this will continue until we finally piece together something.

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      @truth Salute to that

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      Sway_knee 3 years ago

      Has anyone heard about a sighting at a celtics game in March, just wondering what you guys thought?

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      GodsOfBananas 3 years ago

      Honestly I've been reading in in this all night, and I can say that I believe he is alive. Also to add to #5 about the 7 day theory, he died in 1996 ... 1+9=10 10-9=1 1+6=7! Also he died 9/13/96... 9+13=22 22-9=13 13-6=7! I'm done, honestly the sevens are scaring me lol

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      CiCi 3 years ago

      ASE TUPAC! I just want to say, fugg the biz of entertainment! DO not return to be in the entertainment industry, it's total BS! People need to turn off the TV and the Radio and listen to their conscious, dig deeper for a Resolution to the BS plaguing lives in this BS system and sad state of existence that certain groups of people find no peace, no justice, and no break in. Dare I say, EFF everybody and DO YOU, as you have reached the AGE OF MAJORITY in 2014! Perfection and MISTAKES erased! ASE! IJS QQN (I censored myself to get this published)

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      KAT 3 years ago

      I honestly think truth is tupac. Js

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Now KAT why would you think that? Haha June is fast approaching. Will we witness a revelation or will we be confronted with more questions? 2014 is approaching its halfway point.

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      changes 3 years ago

      What does everyone think of Las Vegas sergeant Chris Carroll's revealing what is apparently 2pacs dieing words?

      So I'm looking at Tupac … I'm asking him, 'Who shot you? What happened? Who did it?' And he was just kind of ignoring me," he said.

      "All of a sudden in the snap of a finger, he changed … An 'I'm at peace' type of thing.

      "When he made that transition, he looked at me, and he's looking right in my eyes.

      "And that’s when I looked at him and said one more time, 'Who shot you?'

      "He looked at me and he took a breath to get the words out, and he opened his mouth, and I thought I was actually going to get some cooperation. And then the words came out: 'F--- you

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      the real slim baby 3 years ago

      he might not be alive and he also might be alive. but june 15 is gunna be a hard night to fall asleep for everyone

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      the real slim baby 3 years ago

      also, how would he reveal that hes back? is he gunna go on the today show and sing a song off one of the new 20 albums he made while he was gone? or is he gunna appear at a show with his hologram and everyone will start fainting

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      changes 3 years ago

      im sure that if he revealed himself it would be from outside of the USA and it would not be through music so that just leaves either his music, a hologram, or a pre recorded message. either way i cant wait for not only June /July (June / July is because of other theorists predictions), but also for his film to be released. if nothing happens with either of the 2 things mentioned then in my head he does not want to return. i have been studying tupac for over 10 yrs off and on, I dont just like tupac for his music. I love Tupas because of what he says in his music. and i am sure he is not dead.

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      Either Song or recorded message 2014

      There was a short letter written by 2pac in 1999

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      changes 3 years ago

      a short letter in 99? never heard of a letter before, do you know where i can see a copy?

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      In 2003 3rd September a website called Makaveli recordz appeared on-line.

      In the intro page and every time you clicked on different section a new makaveli song snippet was heard playing in the background.

      There were 5 snippets in total.

      This website looked official

      If you were to ask me how these songs sounded, I would say amazing.

      They sounded like another level up compared to the makaveli album songs but this is just my personal opinion.

      These songs still have not been released

      This website was up for only a couple of days and then it disappeared.

      This should shed some light

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Analyze, where can I get the letter?! Are you sure it was written in 99??

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Changes, you bring me another clue....So yall remember Kasinova tha don? The Outlawz are is London right now...and Kasinova's first live concert is going to take place in London sometime this year...coincidence?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      hey sway knee i saw that video and the crowd even started chanting TUPAC. it was cool but it was a doppelganger..... i think

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      changes 3 years ago

      @Analyze now you have made me curious about that makaveli sight you have mentioned lol.

      Ive been trying to find a letter written by 2pac in 1999 pretty much since i asked if you know where i could see it. The best i can find is a letter written by 2pac to chuck d from jail, however i found a forum post from a person who claims they have a copy of a letter on his myspace but that was another dead end. One thing i did find out that i did not already know is that chuck d was pretty the first to question if 2pac was really dead by releasing a list of 18 reason why 2pac is still alive only a few months after the stuff in vegas happened, i thought it was funny chuck would be the one to question it because of how tight those 2 were.

      Brainless, that's interesting. Why would Kasinova do his first live concert in London and the Outlawz being there does make it all the more suspect, But i would not be expecting 2pac on a stage live, England has extradition with America.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      wait? is it june 16 he comes back or july something?

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      Letter is in the 2pac resurrection book

      If you can find out what Gloria wills was told by Charles patience in the interview you will have uncovered the truth about 2pac and 9/11, which is highly unlikely.

      There is a link between 2pac and charles patience.

      That Makaveli website which appeared online then disappeared.

      The alive theorists were expecting 2pac to return after 7 years - 2003 was 7 years from his demise.

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      The letter was not written in 99 my mistake.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      so when is he coming back?

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      This is the last one

      One of 2pac released songs

      Back masking

      I know who shot me, wish you were there.

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      Something will happen in June. just don't know what exactly... June Friday the 13th 3 days before his 43rd birthday.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      and what if nothing happens in june? are there other theories?

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      Rich87 3 years ago

      hi my name is poopy face lol lallalalalalalalalalsalala tupac is alive yolo

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      wow rich thats kind of strange of you?

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      changes 3 years ago

      @analyze I have never read the 2pac resurrection book, 1 of those things i have never got around to. but i have seen those 2 names you have mentioned a few times while looking for stuff. Definantly an interesting lead you have raised.

      @rich i also agree that June, Friday the 13th will be an interesting day. i don't think it will be a big day however another piece of the puzzle maybe revealed. Theres been to many so called "leaks" of info being dropped and apparent witnesses, and acquaintances mentioning things to do with pac and vegas.

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      Changes

      Every 2pac fan should own that book.

      The book is amazing with everything in it you could possibly want.

      That letter is not the only thing in that book, if you really analyse it you will find even more clues.

      There is 1 picture in that book which was not taken in 96.

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Nvm guys. The Outlawz are no longer in London....But they are doing something special for Tupacs birthday....but not the 16th but rather the 14th..I will ask them why.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      you will ask them yourself?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      i also think truth is tupac btw

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      Alfred 3 years ago

      Alright, at what moments might something happen? June, 2014? Are there more dates to be aware of?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      all i know is june 16 and june 6 and june 7

      idk any more

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      That's nothing but garbage, funny though ^^

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Something very strange is going on. If surge knight said he drove him to the hospital right away and Paige hemmis said he flew off in a helicopter how and when did the office on scene where he was shot get to talk to him? He said tupac a last words on the scene was fuck you but I thought he was drove away or flown away.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      lol what analyze?

      and yeah knowledge that is one of the most confusing parts.. nobody really knows which one is the true story.

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      KassiexX 3 years ago

      u can see tha 7 on da cross....

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      Analyze 3 years ago

      @ Hofnek

      My reply was meant for the someone else's post that got deleted.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      oh lol

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      Brainless 3 years ago

      Yeah. I actually talk to Kasinova.

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Guys, do you got any new information / news?

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      Wow..very impressive...Kudo's to all of yall! I've read all the posts and now I'm gonna add my two cents. Has anyone read the article where Afeni was being interviewed? I'll have to find it and post full interview later. In that interview she talks about Pac's death..she goes on to say he died 7 times and was revived 7 times. Think about that statement for a minute and let it sink in. Also she says she buried Tupac's ashes 7 years after he died. Now on to Kadafi. Him and Tupac grew up together and were VERY close. Strange that Kadafi gets killed a few months after Tupac. That leads me to believe maybe he faked his death to live with Tupac?

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      Greyghost75, looking forward toe the article of Afeni! Haven't read it, but it fits right in the whole story. And since you can't add a link here, hope that you can give a detailed description where to find it!

      And about Kadafi, i think that it could be a reason. He also mentioned it in one of his songs, but i think you could read it in one of the previous comments..

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      1996 3 years ago

      Changes

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      Mrkmlnr it is in the XXL Magazine interview with Afeni Shakur from 2003. It's the very last page is when she goes in depth about it. Let me know if you have any problems finding it and I'll be more than happy to email article to you. It was a very interesting read!

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      7 = perfection 3 years ago

      Dre is the master of perfection. The man behind the act. He's about to release detox in july

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      Rozaveli 3 years ago

      Pac was the kinda guy who wouldn't hide from shi* Pac was a Solja and he even said I'm a dead man walking. Be great if mr makaveli returned. And illuminate are very real and evil scum, ho yea jz die slow you Jesus hating hell bound scum. They were all scared of pac because people listned to him so yea i think the filthy scum murdered him. And Supposedly snoop went to see Pac in hospital to say goodbye. An no one's mentioned his cuzn kaddafi got murdred shortly after cause he wudnt let it lie. Like Pac said (1day some day we gotta go where when why no body knows, .2pac soljaz Strictly Representing ,Rozaveli

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      Truth 3 years ago

      It's officially June. Let's see what happens.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      soooooooooo what day exactly is tupac coming?

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      Alfred 3 years ago

      Tupac might show us signs on that he still are alive 13 June, and he will come back 7 April 2014. That is all I know.

      Also his birthday is 16 June. I guess 13 June has something with his birthday to do.

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      Mark 3 years ago from Netherlands

      greyghost75 I think i found it! It's from 2003 right?

      Thanks a lot for this article, going to read it when i am done studying for today.

      And @Truth, i'm also very curious if something is going to happen.. We'll see. If you hear/see/find something don't wait to share it here! :)

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      changes 3 years ago

      Afeni also says Pac left quietly.

      finally June has come along and hopefully within the next two weeks we will be closer to receiving some answers. When i first started posting here i was confident we would be given answers however with the date looming my confidence is slipping and i am starting to doubt we will be any closer.

      i have been reading about Pac's apparent death since around the year 2000 and have been let down by the other return dates that have been and gone so i guess i am cautious not to get over excited.

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      Just seen where Outlawz is doing a birthday bash in memory of Tupac. The date for that is June 14th. And mrkmlnr, yes it is from 2003. Let me know your thoughts after you read it. Has anyone played around with the autopsy photo? I mean...switch colors and effects to see if you can see the Makaveli tattoo? Well, I have and I even tried the negative effect to only bring out tattoos and sure enough it DOES NOT show up on his neck! Just thought I'd share that and hope someone else tries it to see what they can come up with.

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      changes 3 years ago

      @greyghost75

      Is the Outlawz birthday bash in the u.s or outside the u.s? reason i ask is if its in the states then i think there is less of a chance of any surprises then if the birthday bash is outside of the u.s

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      #22 3 years ago

      10 dayz fellas

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      @changes...it's going to be in St. Louis Missouri. According to their Facebook page they are going to be performing all of Tupacs hits.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      who better than tupac to perform his own hits? lol im betting he comes back then.

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      changes 3 years ago

      nah it will be kasinova singing pacs part of the songs

      all i will say is the answer to the mystery is keep ya head up :)

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      wait? you dont know the answer.... im guessing kasinova is pac

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      CHANGES WHAT DO YOU KNOW?

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      Has anyone noticed the official 2pac website is under construction? When you go to website it says new site coming soon. That's odd...may be nothing, may be something. Time will tell.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      whats the name of the site?

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      @Hofnek just Google 'official 2pac website' you'll find it there. Tried to post actual link but the author deleted it.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      yeah it says new site coming soon...... i wonder if that means something....

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      someone should analyze that picture on the website.. what if that photo is of him now.. im probably wrong but im just throwing it out there.

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      There is a pic on this page of Tupac dressed in black with chin propped on hand. It looks (to me) like an older Tupac. Look around the mouth. People needs to realize he's not going to look 25....

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      yeah he does look older in that...

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      Ok...playing around with numbers. What I found probably doesn't mean anything but I thought I'd share to spark someone's mind. Here goes

      Tupac "died" 9+13+96=118

      Kadafi "died" 11+10+96=117

      Tupac died exactly 90 days after his 25th birthday. Like I said I'm just beginning to play around with the numbers so don't judge! Lol

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      3 more days..... i hope he comes... changes, what were you talking about?

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      D.r.r. 3 years ago

      I think changes means that pac is in heaven !!

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      lol.... that makes sense but changes wouldnt know..... UNLESS HE IS TUPAC

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      look if tupac is in this chat disguised as one of us i hope he acknowledges us when he comes back. like what if we have been chatting with him the whole time. wouldnt you want to keep in touch with him after you find out?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      lol i meant "what if tupac is in this chat ...."

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      80s Baby 3 years ago

      I wanted to inform you'll about the official website, I thought you guys already knew that. Just sign up to the news letter and check out the address

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      andrew 3 years ago

      I think its a movie was relased 1 year before he died called murder was the case and its kind of like they were talking about 2 pacs murder case

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      tomorrow is the 12. my last day of school before summer! come back tupac

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      Makka 3 years ago

      He returns tomorrow or 7.7.2014

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      Makka 3 years ago

      Numerology 1971 - 1996 = 43 ? 1+9+7+1+1+9+9+6=43 ?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      how are we sure he returns tomorrow?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      also what time of day will he return? or that concert yall were talking about in missouri... what time is that concert? and will there be a live stream of it?

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      changes 3 years ago

      @Hofnek etc, I don't know anymore than anyone else, my last post was just a bit of fun which turns out isn't as funny when typed lol, sorry.

      Anyways its now the 13th where i am, hoping some new info gets released today or tomorrow, i am not expecting a return though as much as i wish it would happen.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      oh lol ok. well its the 12 where i am right now.... hopefully this seven day theory thing is forreal... so does anyone know about the concert? oh yeah isnt tomorrow his bday? or is that the 14?

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      changes 3 years ago

      Just a side note playground records is a independant record company distributing scandanavian music. Chillo from what i can find out is from Scandinavia. Would be interesting if anyone can find out who his distributor was if his Amsterdam to L.A song was released. Maybe there is a link.

      If you dont know who Chillo is search Chillo, Amsterdam to L.A on YTUBE

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      @ changes...fantastic detective work! Lol, I will check out Google Earth. Thx!

      @ Hofnek..the show in Missouri starts at (ironically) 7.

      Do you all know that tomorrow is Friday the 13th? Seen where all kinds of weird stuff is going to happen. It will be a full moon. Next full moon on Friday 13th will be in the year 2049. News said that the sun gave out solar flare that may impact communications. Crazy huh?

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      Truth 3 years ago

      One problem I see with Pac coming back on the 13th, which like y'all have mentioned is Friday the 13th, ironically he "died" on Friday the 13th, but as I was saying the only problem I have which concerns the theory is that he won't be 43 years old yet seeing as his birthday is three days after the 13th, on the 16th. But hey did you ever hear about Jesus and the 3 day theory? After he was crucified he ressurected on the 3rd day. So maybe the 16th is a more likely date... maybe not. Maybe there's still a piece of the puzzle we're still missing, or maybe we have it and just haven't put it together quite yet. Time will put the pieces together though. We all just gotta wait.

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      Knowledge 3 years ago

      Friday is going to be very interesting...but there's no hype or anything media related to his birthday coming or film or anything?

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      changes 3 years ago

      @truth

      I agree with you, i also think the 16th is a more likely date.

      @knowledge

      it has been very quiet no lead up to his birthday with the usual stuff that is said and done at this time of year.

      just to continue a little more with my Chillo theory i mentioned earlier i found some more info.

      i read this on a forum

      "in a dictionary i found this about the word chillo Someone who you call chillo is your buddy. Chillo means pal, child, kid, friend, budd"

      so after reading this i went on to ytube and watched the translated Amsterdam to L.A. clip, and normally when i watch it the song seems messy but when replacing the word chillo with friend in the verses the song made alot more sense (have a try).

      Also i seen somewhere else that in the description for the Amsterdam to LA song it says "shot for the NWO group in venlo, nl 2005"

      Venlo is in the netherlands.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      i hope its tonight...... 7 pm eastern time?

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      M.o.B 3 years ago

      IN PAC WE TRUST

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      well.... nothing happening today i guess....

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      Truth 3 years ago

      You guys should know that the Outlawz Facebook page has a picture of Tupac pointing to a poster promoting a birthday celebration for Monday June 16th. At the top it says , "2014 year of Makaveli" check it out.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      truth im bout to check that out that sounds crazy...... holy crap.... its almost making it obvious that he is returning

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      on another pic of tupac they say they are celebrating his birthday in St Louis today .....

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      M.o.B 3 years ago

      Do you guys got a link of that facebook page?

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      Truth 3 years ago

      Links won't work on here. You just have to search Outlawz Facebook page on google and it should pop up.

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      M.o.B 3 years ago

      Yeah i see it thats crazy man....

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      the birthday celebration is today but his birthday is monday?

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      CESAR SORIANO 3 years ago

      The last man that ever talked to tupac said are you alright who shot you he then said FUCK YOU but as I recall being a big fan of tupac he has only said FUCK YOU 3 times in his career so why would words hat he rarely said ever be his last words ever the guy that died was an impersonater of him that new nothing about him to be honest his mom probably said he died because she wants nobody to no what her son did he probably talkedbto her about it

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      Cassie 3 years ago

      A couple points to make which have not been brought up here yet which I find noteworthy.

      Up until his "alleged" death PAC began wearing a chain around his neck which symbolized the angel of death. Photos of this emblem can b found online.

      PAC KNEW he was going to die.... Not THOUGHT. He spoke of his imminent death constantly. My dad's best friend and #1 roll dog name is Roy tesfay who is like an uncle or godfather to me and who was the project coordinator on pacs music up until he died. U can google his name to verify. My family went to a few of the death row Christmas parties. My bday is 6-15 and pacs is 6-16. All books I have read indicate people with these two bday a are soulmates. I love PAC so much and asked Roy for the scoop. He says that 2pac was a madman up until he died and recorded track after track in the studio completing a whole album in 1-2 days. Roy said that this was unheard of as it normally takes 2-4 wks to finish an album. My opinion -he knew time was running out but how did he know for sure... God? I asked Roy if PAC was alive and he got very mad. He said people need to let him r.i.p.. He did not have anything positive to say regarding suge. Suge was robbing all death row employees not just PAC. I left it alone after that but now the feeling he is here spiritually or physically is resurfacing. If PAC did die he was truly psychic and was here through god as an angel "albeit" a thug angel due to his dualistic Gemini personality. Pacs intellect was so off the charts that his work is now being studied at Harvard and Yale. He was a genius and intuitive. I believe that there are mathematical equations and numerous codes- code words encrypted in his lyrics. 2pac went to college for speech where he learned word emphasis and how to structure lyrics/ poetry. He also studied mass media which gave him techniques that allowed him to rise to the best rapper of all time. PAC may have invoked spirits of ancestors which may have influenced the impact of his music and his unique ability to spark a connection and strong emotion from each listener despite their ethnic, cultural, social etc. differences. PAC had a very young and very old soul at the same time. He self- stated in an interview that he had 2 souls. He read books on telepathy, esp, parallel universes and the supernatural. Everything was carefully calculated.

      In die slow a song of his that was on am underground he specifically states " y'all after me ---- I'm in Jamaica sipping daquiris -no doubt "

      There is a lady named Beatrice Marot. Please google her name plus tupac and read her claim.

      People would try to kill PAC off top if he came back in the physical form. He's too powerful.

      Final thought: castor and Pollux are the representation of twins. Read the story. One brother mortal and one immortal ( sound familiar) one died and the other could not bear to live without twin so he traded his immortality to live in solitude and isolation ETERNALLY.

      Just a coincidence?

      m aka veli =

      aka ( same letters forwards backward like mom, wow, ie)

      Veli= evil ( swapped letters v and e plus swapped letters I and L)

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      so what are you saying

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      Cassie 3 years ago

      I'm just giving further details which were not mentioned already in this thread

      My standpoint is that there is a 50/50 chance either way.

      Another thing which really bothered me and I'm sure PAC too is that jay z who he hated made me n my girlfriend-pacs song. If he is dead- How disrespectful. Stay off his beat u were his enemy and it was not cool like that. Does anyone else feel that way.

      Run DNA on pacs ashes that is only way to know for sure unless he comes back. Everything else is speculation.

      Tupac was plotting to escape Feds including FBI and CIA. He was the topic of convo at White House and not in a good way. They wanted him dead. They put a price on his head.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      why did the white house want him dead?

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      changes 3 years ago

      @cassie

      It sounds to me that you are privy to a lot more info than the average posters here because of your fathers Deathrow link, and if you truly want to investigate this topic and get to the bottom of it then you are crazy for not asking your father the questions that us normal posters here are unable to get answered.

      Like you i also believe that the only person who can squash this is Afeni and pacs ashes, the trouble is Afeni saying things "like Pac left quietly" and "pacs remains are guarded by a close family friend" does not help to clear any doubt. Both the statements made by her does not say he is dead in fact to myself they point more to Pac being alive. Along with Treach, the Outlawz, Mopreme, and Suge to name a few keep stoking the fire by implying that pacs not dead and hinting at other things. If Pac is dead then why don't those people come out with the proof to kill the rumors, if you read all the posts on this blog you will see that the posters here through real evidence have made a very strong case that Pac is in fact alive.

      It would be good to know once and for all if he alive or if he did in fact pass, but somehow i don't think we are going to be given the answer either way

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      Cassie 3 years ago

      The White House wanted him dead because of his strong influence on young white youth. Technically in terms of numbers the majority of people who bought pacs CDs were and still are white.

      Fact: the majority of cd buyers are young white males and then young white females and so on.

      Fact: while PAC was alive a young white male bust rounds at a state trooper and claimed he was listening to a PAC cd. There were other incidents such as these that followed.

      PAC stated he could tell everyone to turn around in a circle at his concerts and they would do so. He had control of his soldiers. America. Down for PAC. Some down to kill cops. Down for a revolution.

      FACT: Delores tucker, the president and others in the government made public statements about PAC and I'm sure had private meetings to discuss him as well. He was speaking a military mindset and agenda. He had the intelligence to carry it out. He had direct ties to the black panthers.

      He either was asked to leave quietly, was killed or is still alive yet to b the last muthafucka breathin!!!!!

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      Cassie 3 years ago

      One thing that I read in these posts that really stood out. The white lady said helicopter, the cops said ambulance, suge said himself. All 3 need to get in a room together and b asked Some questions.

      I don't know if I mentioned earlier the gay security guard Alexander had a strange depiction of his account of pacs death especially regarding wallow talkies and security detail for the Vegas trip and fight.

      Suge knight is a real gangsta from ludis park piru I believe but def piru. He is not concerned with fame or celeb status only money. My question is is there a possible motive possibly monetary for suge to say PAC is alive. He would ruin his credibility if he is lying and real street niggs keep it real not lie for no reason.

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      80s Baby 3 years ago

      Its officially the 16th. Pac is dead guys. Let him r.i.p. theres no way he's coming back. The outlaws hyped themselves up for the concert using pacs name so as to release their new single.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      if he doesnt come back today, then i dont think he will come back. i still dont think hes dead though

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      changes 3 years ago

      @hofnek

      I kind of agree with you, i was never expecting Pac to return today but there is a part of me that hoped he would. We all know that there are two scenarios here, one is he is truly dead, and there is a good chance he is. Scenario two is Pac did in fact fake his death and go into exile, In my eyes there is more evidence that scenario two occured but scenario one is a real possibility.

      The thing with these return dates is it gets people excited, then when the dates pass people become disheartened, in alot of cases angry, then lose the faith they once had. Its because of this that if pac did in fact die then somebody needs to come out and prove it. i know that may seem rude and i really dont mean it to. There is to much shotty information when it comes to his death.For example Pacs information on his Death certificate is incorrect, Pacs social security number is still active, Pacs like insurance remains unclaimed, The Autopsy photo is fake,Pacs funeral was cancelled, Pac was cremated the day after his death, Mopreme and others in the family have implied he is still alive. Thats just to name a few things.

      I find this quote by Afeni interesting it is in the last paragraph of the xxl magazine interview she gave.

      "It used to bother me. In lots of ways, it still does bother me. Because on one hand it’s, you know, it’s irrational. And at some point you have to deal with rationality. However, I was speaking to some students at a college in the South. It was just packed. And I always ask, “Are there any questions?” and the question came up, and I said, “It is ridiculous, and why would I be…” And a young girl in the back held her hand up and I called on her and she said, “Ms. Shakur, I respect you and I appreciate what you just said, but if they have Elvis, why can’t we have Tupac?” And you know what, I had no answer for her. So in that sense, I get it. And I don’t have anything to say. But on the other hand, I just want people to know this: This is the thing to know: Know that yesterday, which was June 16th 2003, we put Tupac’s ashes in the ground. After seven years. As the person who did the service said, seven years is the number of completion. And we pray that people will allow him to be gone. He did everything he could do—and what he’s available for still. He’ll always whisper in your ear and encourage you. If you’re having a hard time, he’ll be there. He could still do that. But otherwise, I think we should let him be. He earned it. He earned it."

      Nowhere the does she say he is dead, yes she says he is gone, she says we should let him be, she also says he is in the ground, but nowhere does she dead. Its this types of riddles that keeps this such and interesting discussion.

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      changes 3 years ago

      sorry, the question given to Afeni was this

      And what do you think of people believing he is still alive?

      my quote is the answer she gave.

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      serdar 3 years ago

      Hofnek, as we understand from 7th day theory, he must come back in 7.7.2014, not today.

      PS: i'm hoping with all my heart that he faked his death and will return..but from other side can not believe according to another facts that make "unfakeble" the version of faking the death(ex. mass killings just right after some days weeks of "death" Pac till to killing notorius. or - yes may be in Las Vegas its legal but not in all over the World - his "death" pronounced to all over the World or - too many witnesses, of shoting,of arriving to hospital,the staff of all hospital and so on and so on) , instead of facts that allow this version to be happen...sadly very sadly if like that. im waiting excitedly that he will come back,that he'll return - RAP and not also RAP, needs him!

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      Zay 3 years ago

      He's alive.

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      @changes..so you did read the part about dying 7 times and being resuscitated 7 times? And there is a video interview with Afeni where she says she can talk to and hear him anytime she wants. I think she was hinting around that she may have psychic abilities or can pick up the phone. She never clarified. Also a Latin news station reported that she was sending checks to Jamaica. Strange. I Googled Tupacs birth certificate and coroners death report. Those 2 documents have 2 different social security numbers. The birth certificate SSN was issued in New Jersey and it says it's inactive and reserved for future use. The SSN on coroners report says it was issued in California and is still active. I even searched mine for shits and giggles and of course it says still active. He was born Lesane Crooks, but Afeni changed his name. That's common knowledge. Another thing I was thinking and I mean no disrespect....Afeni lied to Tupac all those years about his biological father being dead...do yall think for a second she wouldn't lie to us to protect him? C'mon now. Leila Steinburg who pac lived with and they were very close is putting on birthday bash today..in California at 7. Who does a birthday bash like that on a weekday? There may be something to that. And the psychic Beatrice lady..haha..yeah, I googled her and the 1st thing it pops up is she's a cyber stalker and a fake.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      hey grey ghost, do you think hes coming today? at 7 eastern time?

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      @hofnek. ..I have nooo idea. Lol. With technology and everyone is armed with a camera, why is there hardly any pics of Tupac sightings? The ones I've seen are clearly imitators. There is one that tmz posted a few years ago of a dude in a New Orleans bar that looked just like Tupac. It was a side shot teaser though :( but it's the only one I've come across that looks just like him

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      Well i mean hes just good at staying low i guess. how many cubans have good cameras or even know tupac and what he looks like?

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      he probably grew a beard and grew his hair out and such.

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      serdar 3 years ago

      i'm waiting 7.7.2014

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      kjr 3 years ago

      okay 4:03 pm eastern time has passed... hopefully he'll return at 7pm , i really have hope that he's alive lol

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      RiskTaker7 3 years ago

      @Truth @whisper @knowledge you guys are geniuses, I'm only at the half of all these comments and I can't stop reading them.I'm reading this for hours and hours (including looking up some words because my english is not perfect yet and I'm doing some researches on important points some of you mentioned while I'm reading this)! This discussion is so interesting that most of it should be published in a book! You have my respect, awesome work! Can't wait to go ahead and read along.

      ''Knowledge whispers the truth''

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      wait til i come in :)

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      WestSideImmortal 3 years ago

      Still nothing and it's 8pm...:/

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      someone 3 years ago

      I am bookmarking this. This is so intense, it puts me on fire lol

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      Labac 3 years ago

      It's only 7:38pm here in California.

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      And we have Kasinova Tha Don posting cryptic status updates on Facebook today. He uploaded a pic few hours ago of him and Tupac's 1st cousin. How bout that. ..

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      kjr 3 years ago

      ^^ i saw that. he also posted a staus that said "if pac dont show whats next" ... weird

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      Labac 3 years ago

      Like many of you, I've read countless theories; some great, good, bad and laughable. Hypothetically speaking, assuming Tupac indeed faked his death, in your own words, explain to this forum, why? If he were to reveal himself today, why now?

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      #22 3 years ago

      have you seen kasinovas new video on facebook ''al about you''??

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      Alfred 3 years ago

      Now I am convinced Pac is coming back.

      Or at least is supposed to come back. If he don't show up 7.7.14 it is not because he is dead but because someone stopped him from showing up.

      Only more and more proof of him being alive. People that are closely related to him showing more and more pictures, more and more videos of him, writing more and more about him coming back and him being alive. They are building up to his arrival. Well, that is my thoughts.

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      wondering 3 years ago

      I think the 7th of July will be the date if he is coming back. But yeah, part of me like Labac states, why would he come back now? Surely the potential risk of being still after him is too high? And why after so long of faking being dead, hiding out, etc etc. would he now reveal himself? Like what's in it for him? But at the same time, he could easily be dead. Like, why would he be in exile for all these years without any sightings too? Surely if he's still alive somewhere he would have already 'come back'?

      I'm so confused. The whole thing really is. mystery. But hey, if he is still alive, wow.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      i just watched kasinovas video.....what was so special about it? he said rip at the end...

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      meyra 3 years ago

      Ever thought about that he may died in the space between 1996 and 2014 *if he is alive*? He could ve runover by a car or died due to illness...

      And there's no way he would be hidin' at his aunty's. The police would have checked out suspicious places in first.

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      #22 3 years ago

      you can clearly see in the video that kas is lip syncing

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      MakaveliRETurns 3 years ago

      Hi guys,

      Soooo I believe that the main reason why Tupac faked his death is so he can hide from Illuminati. Illuminati basically controls the world and Tupac threatened them so maybe he felt like the only reason to escape from Illuminati was to fake his death, which makes since. I would've done that too honestly if iI were him because the illuminati is a huge deal.

      Also, I just joined this group on fb and the other day were discussing about the Illuminati and one of the group members was saying that the only way to take down the illuminati is for the whole nation to rise up against them I have feeling that tupac will return and be like our leader because he is the Creator of killuminati. You guys should go research about the Illuminati and the bad they're doing to this world and how they're trying to turn it to a dictatorship.

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      Alfred 3 years ago

      What did you just say there, MakaveliRETurns? You just said Tupac is the creator of Illuminati? Illuminati is accused of starting the aids epidemic, starting the first and the second world war, killing President J. F. Kennedy, and starting The New Worlds Order, Illuminati is thought to be a front for the rise of the Antichrist. And you say Tupac is the creator of Illuminati. Please explain to me how you could come up with something like that.

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      Alfred 3 years ago

      Oh, I am so sorry, MakaveliRETurns. I didn't notice the K! :(

      I am sorry!

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      MakaveliRETurns 3 years ago

      Oh it's okay: )) Alfred

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      Realise 3 years ago

      If you know about the bible you know it states “For many will come in my name, and they will say. 'I AM THE LIVING GOD, The Messiah', and they will deceive many.” and i think im just tripping but think about it what if before the real tupac reveals himself a "Fake" tupac will come before him and he will decieve many.I dont know i just thought i would post this.

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      MakaveliRETurns 3 years ago

      That just sort of blew my mind Realise hehee

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      Realise 3 years ago

      It was crazy how i thought about it though.

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      Life Goes On 3 years ago

      Realise, do you think that maybe the hologram was the 'fake' tupac to decive and hype up 'the second coming' when he does actually return?(if he does)

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Yea i think it was but like the bible says "many will come in my name" i dont think the hologram was the only one who decieved many but think about how many have claimed or "Sounded" "Looked" "Rapped" like tupac. Many will try to do this.

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      Hofnek 3 years ago

      Blac haze.. Kasinova... hologram.... yall are onto something. good point realise

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Thanks Hofnek

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      unknown 3 years ago

      Did you guys know Machiavelli has 2 death dates June 21st and June 22nd?

      Google and wiki says he died June 21st but the book the prince says he died June 22nd. there is a mystery behind Machiavelli too. just a thought.

      and since the book says 22nd i go with that. which means what? 16,17,18,19,20,21,22 just a thought.

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      unknown 3 years ago

      that's 7 days

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      Jay Boogie 3 years ago

      "Pay off the Block, Evade the cops cause I know they coming for me I been hesitant to reappear been away for years now I'm back my adversaries been reduced to tears"

      2pac has never been away for Years he was only in jail for 10 months & was bailed out by Suge Knight he also said pay off the block as in keep them quiet & everyone knows Vegas is a payoff city. think about that...

      My Question is if 2Pac does Return how would he do it? would it be at an awards show? would it be breaking news like on all the news Channels? or would it Just be in like a music video?

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      changes 3 years ago

      Maybe a 2pac biopic?

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      UnderDogHomie 3 years ago

      THE GOVERNMENT WANTS PEOPLE TO THINK TUPACS ALIVE. They purposely caused confusion. DONT THINK THE FBI WAS WATCHING PAC? Well they were. Look at the sold out cunt who accused him of rape. I'm sure she was paid off very well to do that. Because god knows tupac wouldn't rape a women. Anyone with eyes can conclude that. THE FBI's known for ending lives. MLK or even JFK. both topped off. of course they want the black community to think tupacs alive, tupac was as profound as milk or Malcolm x. Its just like what they did with 2012. Keep the people waiting for something to happen. Keep them in vertigo waiting for the day this or that happens. TUPAC IS ALIVE IN ANYONE OF US. THE TIME FOR REVOLUTION IS NOW. YOU CAN BE REMEMBERED LIKE TUPAC. WE ALL HAVE THE FIRE WITHIN US.

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Underdog. Im high. And you jus blew my mind.

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      changes 3 years ago

      @underdoghomie I cant say i agree that the FBI wants us to think 2pac is still alive, for exactly what you said in caps at the end of your post. It would be more riskier for them if people believe Pac is alive then it would be if they think Pac is dead. If there is a sniff that Pac is still alive, that belief would be more likely to spark as you say a revolution than if the people think he is dead. Our media outlets are owned by a handful of people who are just as much in Governments pockets as the Government are in theirs, they feed us the information governments want us to know in the way they want us to know it and in return these owners such as Rupert Murdoch receive favours and get what they want. Which is why when an article about Pac pops up in the news 99% of the stories begin with murdered rap legend, or slain hip hop icon, or dead ganster rap star... Tupac Shakur. When the idea of Pac faking his death is mentioned normally at the end of the story they write it so it reads more like a joke, and the idea of Pac faking his death is all a conspiracy dreamt up by crazy people.

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Ok so one more thing.If you smoke weed and love tupacs music and know how he is watch these videos. They are on youtube just look up 'Tupac smoking weed interview' there are 4 parts. If you can watch all 4. He is wearing a black leather vest and a black bandanna. Now ima ask if you notice these thing. While watching the videos did you notice how he talked? Did you notice how it looks like he was trying to make up a song every once in a while? Did you notice how he acted? This video came out before his whole career started begining. He was only 21 and he sounded so wise did you notice that. And did you notice his album 2pacalypse now barely came out his first album! And he was already talking about the 'Vice President Of the U.S!' Wanting his music of the shelves! Tupac was someone special everyone knew that. All those powerful illuminate people knew that. And Tupac knew that they knew it. Just observe pac in these videos tell me if you Realise what he was tryng to do . And thanks for those who read the whole comment and took the time to view those 4 videos. Tell me what you think.

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      candianyo 3 years ago

      just watched a crazy video on kasinovas facebook where they lit up a outlawz video and tupac is in the shadows?(in the comments on his other videos) love this thread so interesting cant wait to see if anything happens next month...

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      thug life 3 years ago

      Check out the song called Killuminati by Tupac and the Outlawz.

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      greyghost75 3 years ago

      I was googling questions about statute of limitations for faking ones death and found the article below. I copied and pasted it. Now Tupac supposedly died on 9-13...so instead of him coming back on 7-7, it may be a little longer. I noticed on Kasinovas fb page he's getting a little pissy about people asking him if he is Tupac. Uhm...dude...stop dropping cryptic hints, videos and pictures of Tupac. Lol

      What is the Statutes of limitations for faking your death?

      Answer

      Okay, I believe SOL doesn't start until last activity. In debt cases that would be the last day your account is active. 

      If you are talking about Tupac Shakur, it's been said that the SOL will be hit in 2014 making it impossible for him to be prosecuted for faking his death, which is illegal by the way.

       

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      canadianyo 3 years ago

      Just a thought....

      If pac comes back, it would prove the conspiracy theory that he was in fact alive this whole time which would make people think differently about other so called conspiracies. Think about it... Right now if anyone were to say "hey I think Tupac is alive" would be mocked by most and called a conspiracy theorist. Now fast forward if and when he comes back, people would say "hey I think 9/11 was in inside job" and instead of mocking, just maybe, they might look into it first? I dunno, he could use it to his/our advantage if and when he does...

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Canadianyo that's an interesting thought

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      Jay Boogie 3 years ago

      2Pac is Definitely Alive even The Outlawz say he's Alive

      "Don't wanna hear Nothing about no illuminati they get so afraid when you don't play they puppet kill you dead when you stick up your middle finger fuck it, fuck it? Unless You disappear on Em You wait 18 years reappear on Em you think it's just a game but he's really watching"

      1996+18= 2014 everybody Get Ready

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      Mob 3 years ago

      He says Umpteen

      number

      adjective: umpteen

      indefinitely many; a lot of.

      "you need umpteen pieces of identification to cash a check"

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      Truth 3 years ago

      We're just waiting to see what happens. The theories have all been posted. Everyone's opinions have been said. The evidence supporting each side have been revealed. All we're doing is waiting to see what happens. Nothing much else we can do until something occurs, or something is found.

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      Realise 3 years ago

      Oh ok truth

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      Life Goes On 3 years ago

      I'm hoping something happens sooner then later

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      RiskTaker7 3 years ago

      This is epic! And I think Truth is right, we have to wait and see what happens. @Truth you seem so wise man! Your someone to look up to.

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      Truth 2 years ago

      Thank you RiskTaker7. I truly appreciate it. It means a lot to me that you feel that way. Same goes for any other people who share the same sentiments as RiskTaker7.

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      Alfred 2 years ago

      I sure must agree with RiskTaker7, you do seem very wise, Truth!

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      80s Baby 2 years ago

      A new tupac track featuring biggie, big caz and e40 just dropped on iTunes. The track is called i am.

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      changes 2 years ago

      just out of curiosity has anybody heard anything else about the guy that was claiming to be 2pac who smashed up a philadelphia police station and smashed out police car windows with an archeology hammer? for example an i.d once he was released from Jefferson hospital?

      i am not suggesting it was Pac just curious if anybody had heard anything else about the guy.

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      Unknown 2 years ago

      i'm starting to believe his return is 2015

      it will be before he's 44. if he's still going by what he said in the resurrection easter egg.

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      changes 2 years ago

      I am thinking his upcoming biopic may have something to do with his return, to many coincidences. I guess we will see soon

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      80s baby 2 years ago

      Oh so now its 2015. And if he doesnt come back that year. Then what 2016? Im a believer just like youll but i dont go around making up my own theories and ish. If he doesnt return by September he never will. Face it guys. Thats nothing but the TRUTH

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      Unknown 2 years ago

      @80's baby. u can't disregard the easter egg from Tupac Resurrection. nobody ever said 2014. fatal said umpteen as pointed out above not 18.

      also if anyone didn't know his play holler if ya hear me is performing so terrible on broadway it may close b4 July. same thing may happen with his movie if he doesn't return. Pac, the time is soon.

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      changes 2 years ago

      @unknown the umpteen argument is the same as the eighteen argument and it dont matter how much your scream there will be a fifty\, fifty scream.,..

      its like this for me.. 2pac you had both the knowledge and wisdom to change the world and you were willing to die for it.. this was atleat 10 years before anyone else . now altho im holding out hope you are still kicking in cuba or europe i am not that confident.... man i wish i was millionaire i would track your ass down but like yoiu i am a have not and not a have...... anyways i guess what i am saying is to give the rest of us hope then the time is approaching to start revealing. it will oinly take another 10 or 15 yrs before playas start saying yoiu are really dead.. so either appear or dissapear and you know what i mean.

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      purple 2 years ago

      This is all very interesting. ...

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      Sabeel 2 years ago

      Anybody heard Kendrick Lamar's verse on control? He says he's the son of Makaveli. Maybe like Kendricks gonna be his sidekick. Just thought. And his verse is pretty old school. Just a thought.

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      80s baby 2 years ago

      Guys please check out pacs new single called i am. Its from his upcoming album. Ish is hot. Tupac sounds mad hungry on that and his voice sounds mature. Something tells me it was recorded recently

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      waiting.. 2 years ago

      @80s baby I cannot find this single.. Please point me in right direction

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      80s Baby 2 years ago

      @ waiting its available on itunes. Just search for 2pac i am ft biggie and e40

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      greyghost75 2 years ago

      Anyone heard the song Halalujah by Makaveli? Listen to it. It's sooo different from any song he's done. And he speaks about World Trade collapse. I'm loving this song :)

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      80s Baby 2 years ago

      @ grey where can i find it? I tried googling it. Still cant find it

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      purple 2 years ago

      Ok now truth and all you wonderful people on this link did u see on the 2014 BET awards when chris rock mentioned the era of the 90 the dude THAT had on the scarf that look like Tupac ijs..

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      greyghost75 2 years ago

      @80sbaby...go to YouTube and search Maka veil Halalujah. I then googled the lyrics because I couldn't believe what I heard about world trade tower collapse. Sure enough..he said it. The song is just so different from anything he's done. Also, has anyone heard about The White Book by Makavelli??? He (Tupac) supposedly wrote it. He says it's hard to smoke with one lung. I've just found out about it last night so I'm still searching so stay tuned for what I come up with I will post in here :)

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      greyghost75 2 years ago

      Ugh..sorry..damn spell check. Youtube Halalujah Makaveli.

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      80s Baby 2 years ago

      @ greyghost just listened to that song. It doesnt sound like pac to me. Sounds like some wannabe like kasinova. The song is still dope tho. And about the white book it was not written by tupac. It was written by someone else in tupacs point of view.

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      smooth27 2 years ago

      2Pac On EBT Awards Though...

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      greyghost75 2 years ago

      Well dang. Thought I was on to something! Lol. Yeah I seen dude on BET..clearly was impersonator. The only picture that keeps me guessing is the one TMZ posted. That dude really looked like Tupac. Unfortunately, they are all side pics.

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      Purple 2 years ago

      MY thing is why would that fake would do that its like they did it on purpose when they started talking about 90's music and he sitting right in clear view....

      Quit messing with peoples heart's......ijs

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      Mark 2 years ago from Netherlands

      I don't have any news to share, but i wanted to share a song i recently discovered with you; search on youtube '2pac - rain'

      Maybe you guys knew it already, but i'm loving the song.

      Still waiting & hoping out here for pac

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      pj 2 years ago

      Guys your all nearly there.tupac needs to feel wanted.thats the guy he is.he doesnt just want to show up.he wants to be reached out to. We have technology that can reach out to anyone these days. You all need to spread the word NOW!!! get on your twitter accounts and put on it #makaveli come home please.. get this trending on twitter and he WILL see it.thats all I got so make it happen fans.peace

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      fife4lyf tonii 2 years ago

      Iv never really looked in to this whole situation and just from bordum I started rearched took me like 8 hours last night to read this while goi g on to my own links and shit to find answers to my questions am offically obbsessed were as I was at the start thinking he is alive a think everyone has there own death theory in there back of there mind and choose to believe wat one they want more. Its amazing some of in this chat an am defo sticking to hear to hear what comes next am in doctors and al pit a few things of parts thats going round my head from this an mibi one or 2 of use can help me but use guys deserve a loyalty badge likes true fans xxxx

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      Alfred 2 years ago

      fife4lyf Dude... no. just no.

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      greyghost75 2 years ago

      I'm not trying to be debbydowner...but...while most theories support Tupac is alive..I keep looking at his autopsy photo trying to figure out if it was faked. It looks real to me. The concaved chest from organs removed..the cut on back of skull. Why is there not more alive pictures? I mostly believe he's alive but I can't help but factor in those 2 thoughts and wonder. Can anyone explain the autopsy photo more as to why it's real or fake?? When was it leaked?

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      #22 2 years ago

      in the autopsy photo there is no tattoo in his neck..

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