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I Forgive You Michael Vick...

Updated on April 7, 2013
To Forgive is Divine..
To Forgive is Divine..
The HSUS...
The HSUS...

"I VOW TO HELP MORE ANIMALS THAN I HURT"...


Recently, due to vicious threats on his life - AND THE LIVES OF HIS CHILDREN - Michael Vick was forced to cancel three public appearances in Atlanta...EVEN THOUGH: He never shunned responsibility for his heinous acts, showed sincere remorse - and continues to this day to publicly apologize for participating in and funding The Bad Newz Kennels dog fighting ring...

  • “I would go there to slit your throat knowing how you treat animals.”

EVEN THOUGH: He did the time and paid his debt to society...

  • "Show up and die n*****!"

EVEN THOUGH: He continues to work diligently in conjunction with The HSUS (humane society) to spread the word and shine the light into the darkest corners of the world of dog fighting.

  • "Hope your kids don’t fall in a pool with a battery.”

EVEN THOUGH: Dog fighting, and therefore - dog cruelty - have since been reduced BECAUSE of him.

  • “I would snap your neck if I met you, you sick f***.”

Shall I go on?


Michael Vick NOT 'Finally Free'..
Michael Vick NOT 'Finally Free'..

LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE...


Please allow me to be clear: I DESPISED the SON-OF-A-BITCH when I heard what he had done!

I - like millions of other dog/animal lovers - loathed and reviled Michael Vick more than any words could possibly describe!

I was DISGUSTED that he wouldn't be rotting in Kansas's Leavenworth Prison forever and ever - and EVER - AMEN!

Upon his release after a twenty-one month incarceration - I believed that the perfect employment for Michael Vick would be scraping old bubble-gum off hot pavement - for minimum wage - FOR THE REST OF HIS WORTHLESS LIFE!

I was OUTRAGED when the Philadelphia Eagles risked their reputation - and arguably the future of the franchise - when they picked him up as a back-up quarterback!

I wanted him to SUFFER - with a CAPITAL SUFFER...


TO FORGIVE IS DIVINE....


But then - something began to change...

I LEARNED about Michael Vick's childhood growing up as one of four children in an inner-city housing development- known as 'The Projects' - in Newport News, Virginia.

What passed for 'NORMAL' in Michael's neighborhood was flying bullets, gang warfare, drug deals - and dog fighting!

I LEARNED that he started to read while incarcerated - finally understanding completely the global impact of his actions - and vowed to be a better man...

I LEARNED that he stopped agreeing wiith those who said that 'he didn't deserve to be there'..

Coincidentally, it was the same day that he began telling people that - indeed - he DID deserve to be there..

I LEARNED that he began reaching out to the President of the HSUS, Wayne Pacelle, while STILL behind bars - being rejected again and again before the humane society agreed to 'accept' his offer to bring awareness to the WIDE-SPREAD problem of dog fighting..

I LEARNED that he continues to fulfill said commitment OFTEN - all over the country and at his own expense..

I LEARNED that In October of '09 the Philadelphia Eagles launched "Treating Animals With Kindness" (TAWK), which provides grants to animal welfare organizations to protect animals...

And finally - I LEARNED to forgive!


GLASS HOUSES...


No one can change the past, but - they can CHOOSE to create a better future.

Michael Vick has made that CHOICE!

CHOSEN to make a difference..

CHOSEN to give of his time and money..

CHOSEN to be a better man..

He could have CHOSEN otherwise.

Now...It's OUR CHOICE!

"This is an opportunity to break the cycle. To that end, I will continue to honor my commitment to animal welfare and be an instrument of positive change.” MV

Why can't WE commit to break the cycle of HATE?


Here's what Cesar Millan (The Dog Whisperer...) has to say about forgiving Michael Vick..



Michael Vick - Hands On...

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Important message here, Leslie. We have a system of laws in this country and once you have paid your dues to society that should be the end of it...but Vick refuses to accept the minimum punishment, and continues to give back to society. I am so tired of the hypocrites who continue to spout righteousness but who refuse to live it.

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      FyrFytr234 4 years ago

      Very interesting facts about Mike's past and present. What he did was horrible but he seems sincerely sorry. I can respect that and believe in second chances under the right circumstances. He seems to have paid his dues and now is working to right his wrong. Nicely done...the both of you! Voted up and shared.

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      Terry Chestnutt 4 years ago from Cleveland, Ohio

      Beautiful letter brilliantly executed. Wow!

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      ...a great Hub, and while I commend Michael Vick for the work he is doing now... I personally don't think I will get all the way to forgiveness. Having seen the results (in person) of dogs torn to bits from an excess of human testosterone, I can not understand why anyone wouldn't have changed after seeing the first fight. Having to be caught and punished before seeing the light... indicates a serious defect that I don't believe can be blamed on poverty. That said, there is no question that he is doing good now and he should be respected for that.

      As for USHS this is a false front organizaion... if anyone thinks they are interested in saving pets for good homes... HA! They literally don't believe anyone should 'own' a pet, a cow or any other animal... PETA funds them and vise versa... and their President 'Wayne' wrote an article years before he got this job... outlining the position ... they do own one or two Horse shelters but not one dog or cat shelter... Most of the money raised goes into Politics... they push the agenda that you shouldn't own your pet... but be its caregiver. That's a first step to being able to outlaw animal ownership... When they say Animal Rights, they do not mean what you or I would mean...Vets say that 'caregiver' title inhibits their ability to care for the animals as none of the 'caregivers' have a legal right to sign for medical procedures.

      USHS has backed away...at least in public from their actual positions on animals... their real position on animal rights is not keeping your pet safe and secure... it is keeping anyone from having a pet at all. They think animals are better off dead or extinct than being kept as pets... or... and here I sometimes agree with them, having any animal raised for food for humans.

      There are lots of animal shelters and rescues that can use your money to help animals rather than lobby Congress... The ASPCA, or any State branch and all the no kill shelters one close to where you live for sure...... or, (commercial) including the one where I volunteer... Faxon Animal Care and Adoption Center.

      Great Article... sorry, about the rant... you just hit one of my very hot button issues, sorry. Sharing.

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      wow what a great hub.. I was so mad at first.. I wanted to string him up for treating animals like that but then yes forgiveness is the best thing.. Our Lord teaches that.. And It looks like he knows what he did was wrong.. another great message here Leslie.. so good to see you my friend

      sharing

      and blessings

      Debbie

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      Good work. In light of information coming from animal farms for our consumption, Vick is a joke. We cry when a mad man kills children at a school. But have no problem when America "accidentally" kills a few hundred as collateral damage. What a world!

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      I think many people find hate easier to maintain than forgiveness. Hate is a mindless thing; doesn't require much thought. You just set the switch and it will carry on growing all by itself.

      Forgiveness requires so much effort. It means having to acknowledge the person thoughts and willingness to atone for sins. It means having to let go of the hate (and it rarely leaves willingly) and let that person atone for his sins. It's so hard. Most people prefer the easy way.

      I guess that's why to forgive is divine.

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      Maria Jordan 4 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      As someone who is " almost" always able to think critically and intelligently about situations, I have been guilty of profane thoughts at the mere sight of Mr Vick on TV. I have been unable to even hear the other side, convinced he was forever guilty.

      It was only due to you, Leslie, that I could even read this...I have a great respect for you and share your passion for animals. I appreciate learning about his childhood. I am aware that most serial killers, murderers have had a history of violence from their childhood. Initially the victim,the child will likely first turn violent to animals, taking their rage out on someone who is more vulnerable than they themselves.

      Our childhoods do not excuse our behavior, but most often have a key role in how we adjust as adults. " Breaking the cycle" has to start somewhere, some time and with someone.

      I honestly respect Mr Vick for what he is doing today, for how far he has come. Thank you for this information, which has provoked much food for thought in me. Hugs, Maria

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      carol stanley 4 years ago from Arizona

      It always takes a lot of courage to admit to guilt..A genuine apology is a wonderful thing...Sometimes it does not work..I speak from experience here. However forgiveness is all about ourselves. We forgive and let go of anger ...we are the ones suffering. I give this man credit to right his wrongs. Great hub as always...HOpe you are feeling good!!!!

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      SilverGenes 4 years ago

      He's a celebrity so it made the news and people were outraged because it was 'worthy' to talk about. Meanwhile, this goes on every moment of the day and in some cases, the extreme cruelty is sanctioned by most of us (just find out what really happened to the animal that is now lying in pieces in the grocery store). If we are so outraged (and rightly so) by the actions of Vick, why don't we care as much about child abuse, human trafficking, animal testing (Iams is particularly disturbing), feed lots and slaughter houses, and all the other heinous things in our society? What Vick did is horrific but his childhood has nothing to do with it. Poverty and violence is not an excuse for such behaviour and there are too many good people who come from similar backgrounds who don't deserve to be painted with this kind of brush. He made a mistake in our society and he paid his debt. That should be the end of it. To be fair to Michael Vick, it's getting pretty difficult to discern what exact form of cruelty is legal and what is not. It's not his childhood that's at fault. It's our society.

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      Martie Coetser 4 years ago from South Africa

      What more can I say? I agree with all comments. Everybody has a remarkable point of view.

      Sadly, offenders of all crimes, whether convicted or not, can use their past and background as ‘extenuating circumstances’, but still, committing a crime is a choice. Not only cruelty to animals, but all horrible DOINGS of mankind should be condemned. And then we ought to give the wo/man behind the doing another change to prove themselves worthy of love and respect. If they happen to be mentally disturbed or damaged in such a way that they are a threat to WHO/whatever is alive with the right of living on this awesome planet of us, they should be kept in custody where they are not able to harm others and themselves.

      Good to know that Michael Vick has changed his ways. As a sceptic I do question his sincerity, but eventually his actions will compel forgiveness, respect and even admiration. After all, don’t we all respect and admire the person who has proven that Good conquers Evil?

      Leslie, you are an adorable go-getter and promoter of right and righteousness. Lots of hugs to you :)

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      Dennis L. Page 4 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      Voted up and shared with all, my friend. Like you, I loathed the ground Vick walked on. I believe animals are the living souls of unconditional love and affection. To this day I will not walk into a Petco store. Why, you may ask? Well, in September 2011 we were hit with horrendous flooding in our area. While other pet stores made valiant efforts to rescue their animals...even by boat...Petco did absolutely nothing. Hundreds of animals were left to drown and sadly they did. In my eyes, there is nothing noble that chain can do to rectify their horrible decision.

      Michael Vick is a much different story than the Petco one I described. He has shown a great interest in undoing the damage he did. He has taken positive steps toward helping animals, rather than destroying them in a ring. As you mentioned, he did the crime and he did the time with 3 hots and a cot. Mr. Vick has shown a much kinder side and I think it is genuine. I would be lying to say I still don't cringe just a little when I watch him play football, but those feelings have begun to wane with time and his actions.

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      Margaret Perrottet 4 years ago from Pennsauken, NJ

      I'm a huge animal love, and was of course horrified by what Michael Vick did, but once he served his time and was so remorseful, I felt that the Eagles did the right thing by giving him a second chance. I think that people should always forgive those who have learned from their mistakes. Voted up and interesting.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billy: You see things so clearly, Bill...

      in some ways, you share a SIMILAR life path with michael. (similar...).i know you know what i mean by that - both of your lives were destroyed - both knowingly - and both came back to make a huge difference in the world..

      i find it quite inspiring..

      hypocrites are a waste of skin

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MyFyrfytr: Horrible! Worse than horrible...agreed..

      He seems humbled, and it looks good on him...

      i love when you share me..

      (lol..OOPS...that was intentionally naughty, btw...)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wrathwarbone: Why - thank you for those VERY generous words!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HLPhoenix: No..i had no idea that the us humane society wasn't a forthright organization! How could something with the same name as OUR humane societies in CANADA - operate so differently - OMFG..

      Just another factoid that increases my fear that your country is - FLUSHING ITSELF down the toilet!

      In canada- the humane society MEANS something - they CARE about animals AND their owners..

      They work hard to NOT have to put animals down - they educate constantly - in the dredges..

      Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....(that's on behalf of every american animal and animal lover that is NOT served by the HSUS!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Deb....i wanted to string him up to, Deb - and if i might take it just one teensy step further - after i strung him up - i wanted to stick a nice animal prod up his ASS - just for fun..

      So - yes - i've come a LOOOOOOONG way, baby...

      lol..

      be well, my friend - i care!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MHatter99: Good morning Martin - you're up early! I agree with you 100% - What a world!

      Thanks for visiting - always great seeing you.

      Be well!

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      Julio E Olmo Sr 4 years ago from Florida, USA

      Apologies, but I think he's still a bad individual...case in point... Philadelphia Head Coach Andy Reid helped him pick up the broken pieces of his NFL career and Vick was able to Cash In on the opportunity, and turned it into the second 100 million dollar contract of his career, which is not bad for a QB that has only seen the Super Bowl on Television. Instead Michael Vick and his teammates punched Andy Reid’s ticket out of Philadelphia at season’s end. I guess the convicted felon inside of Vick won the “…loyalty’s overrated Mike…“ argument for his soul.

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Leslie, everyone deserves a second chance and to repent for their sins. If God can forgive, why can't we?

      Fortunately, Michael Vick learned that the way he grew up is not THE way. Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

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      Thomas Silvia 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi my friend awesome article, i have been a dog lover all my life and hate what Vick did but he served his time and now that should be it. To forgive is to be forgiving. I loved all that is written here but the best line you wrote is " LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE"... We are all sinners in one way or another we should not be pointing our fingers at anyone . Well done my friend !

      Vote up and more !!! Sharing !

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      Just have to jump back in to protect the vast majority of Humane Organizations, workers and volunteers that work tirelessly to protect animals in all kinds of situations... most manmade... here in the US of A... the USHS evolved as the political arm of PETA although they are a stealth arm... and most people who support them have no idea what their real agenda is... it was much more obvious initially, but is quite well buried now.

      I share your fear that the US is flushing itself down the toilet... we just had a State legislature file a Bill to create a State Religion... guess which Party sponsored it? Fortunately their Leader (for the moment) shot that down.

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      kidscrafts 4 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      I am a big animal lover and huge cat lover! So it's difficult to accept any violence against animals. It makes me quite sad when I hear about violence towards animals.

      What Michael Vick did was for sure terrible and he paid the price by having to go in prison. But I find admirable that he found the courage to admit that what he did was wrong. He could have gone to prison and come out of there a worse man but he chose to change his life and his views. It takes a lot of courage. While he does a lot of good work now (at his own cost) he is also breaking the cycle of teaching animal violence to his own kids. It takes a lot of courage to continue his work with the humane society while some people criticize and threaten him. Good for him! Because he change, other people who were sharing his views will change as well.

      What he did also put a lot of bad publicity on dog fighting... so more people are aware that those activities shouldn't be allowed!

      I think in this case everybody wins!

      Great article Leslie!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Pagesvoice:You are so wise my friend. While i certainly can't blame people for hating him - i certainly did for many years- i don't understand how they can't see the good he's doing now! It's NOT for 'the money or fame' - he had nothing when he reached out to help - and i believe it was a genuine evolution and desire..

      it doesn't erase anything, but - many do nothing..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mperrottet: Good afternoon and welcome! I adore when reasonable folks visit my little hub-corner...lol..

      Please come again - the coffee's always on - and the conversation's always HOT!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Phoenix2327: You are very very wise Phoenix! I've been saying the same thing forever - WHY can't people make the harder choice - the better decision - instead of consistently doing otherwise...

      i wonder if hating - feeds some...need...

      whatever -- it truly is a study in human psychology..

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Imkarn, this story is new to me, but based on this incredible write, I can fill in the blanks. Dog fighting is indeed a cowardly and hurrendous act, as a dog lover, the thought of anyone deliberately harming any animal throws me into a rage. However; if that person at a later date clearly sees the error of his ways, understand that his behavior was aberrant and wrong, and is genuinely sorry, who are we to withhold forgiveness?

      A very clever man once said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" we can hate the act but compounding violence makes us just as bad. Nice to have you back lady. :)

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      Deb Hirt 4 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      As strongly as I feel about animals, I have also dealt with people in prison--murderers. Someone in a ghetto feels that they are helping their families and themselves and has no feeling for anything else other than SURVIVAL. If he truly has broken the chain that held him, I applaud him. He has been working for awareness and is teaching inner city youth to be better people. Forgiven, yes. Forgotten, no. I would like to forget, but that will have to come, and in the meantime, he should be applauded for a sense of decency.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      When are people going to learn to forgive and to realize that a man/woman can change. Before we make a judgement, take a look at the person's background, he knew nothing but life on the streets. He lived in a community where dog fights were the norm. He was uneducated. He is now attempting to give back by helping others. I applaud him, and i applaud you Leslie for always trying to lift up a person who admittedly was wrong....

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      What he did was horrific and yes unforgivable. Serving his time does not cancel out his wrongs but what he is doing now shows that he has learned a valuable lesson and is trying to make amends and so does deserve a second chance. Knowing his background and the way he grew up gives understanding to his behaviour. He has my respect for the man he has now become.

      Thank you for sharing his story with us so that we too may forgive.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Maria: Honestly Maria - this comment made my day! I don't have many goals in life these days - since the...anxiety thing hit me..

      but, the ONE i do still have - is changing just ONE person's mind/opinion/thought process..(well...maybe ONE at a time...lol...call me greedy)...

      i believe it is possible to change the world - one person at a time - and - that's what gives me meaning!

      So, thank YOU for thinking twice about mr. vick!

      It doesn't mean i've forgotten - just forgiven...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Carol7777: Look at this man, Carol - and then think about ALLLL the trouble he COULD have - and could - get himself into!

      He doesn't party, drink and drive, screw anything that moves, do drugs, spout off at the mouth - and personally - i don't think he ever will...

      He did an unforgivable thing - but - he's worked so hard and been so humble - that he's MADE himself forgivable...

      no one can foresee the future...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jeolmoz2: Hello sir - and welcome! I respect your point of view, but - is he not still with the Eagles? I thought i heard everything got worked out..

      YES, Mr. Reid 'helped' Mr. Vick - but - he took a calculated risk - doncha think? Let's face it - he got football GOLD - and he paid STRAW for him.

      IF he became what he WAS - again - Andy Reid would make out like a bandit, yes? Which - is exactly what happened..

      he did for Vick, but - in return - Vick did plenty for him..

      I'm just spouting here -i'm sure you know more about it than i do...

      thanks for visiting!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Shauna: So simply and beautifully said, my friend! I don't quite understand people's REFUSAL to see that!

      I post on many sites and there's one in particular where - it doesn't matter WHAT i post - they crap all over it. For instance the Daddy, please spank me' - omg - i BEAT my children - i ADVOCATE ABUSING children...

      it went on and on...

      SAME WITH THIS one - they REFUSE to forgive - and - i often wonder how many of them go to church every sunday - and think they're good christian soldiers..

      BLIND and JUDGMENTAL is DANGEROUS..

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      Girish puri 4 years ago from NCR , INDIA

      Karen, Beautiful letter with a deep meaning for the society as well.Thanks for sharing his story, but probably the time has come to forgive him, this is what i personally feel. God bless.

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      ahorseback 4 years ago

      Hey Kiddo ! Nice write , I felt the same way you did , and I'm not even great on being a football fan ! I believe abuse in any form is unforgivable in itself , why kind of animal hurts one one that doesn't even have a voice . Man is the worst of all the earths animals! I have always held mankind even more responsible for his acts because of our awesome ability to inflict the greatest pleasure or pain to another. Do I forgive him , yes . Do I forget what he did , never . we are our own worst enemy aren't we . ......Ed....huggos to ya.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @SilverGenes: Hello and nice to see you!

      You're entitled to your opinion, and i wouldn't attempt to change it..i was simply stating my change of heart - and the reasons behind it

      but, my friend - trust me - i care just as much about 'all the other heinous things in our society'..

      Please check out some of my other hubs - i think you'll agree that i do - at least - care..

      Thank you for your heart felt comment, Alexandra! I didn't expect everyone to agree - just to agree to disagree! lol

      have a great sunday..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Martie: Don't think i've given him a completely free pass, Martie. Just cause i forgive him doesn't mean i'm not watching...

      and maybe even waiting!

      it's so hard these days to BELIEVE, but - i choose at this moment in time to believe that he's a changed man..

      until proven otherwise..

      if and when otherwise is proven - KILL THE BASTARD!

      hubs back, sweetie, and - Thanks!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kashmir56: Thank you K! You said it!

      I've wanted to ask a 'few' select folks taht very question: are you perfect? do you contribute as much as he does now? who are you to judge? isn't there enough of that going around to - well - to bring down a country? who do we think we are?

      no one could have hated him more - i remember bursting into tears when heard - and saw - and i don't care about football at ALL!

      but - i'm NOT perfect - and - i haven't walked a mile in his shoes..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kidscrafts: How did i know you would think it through and come to the only possible conclusion?

      if he screws up again - BURY him, but until then - i give him credit and respect!

      as i do you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Tobusiness: Yes - you definintely did get the gist - and the point!

      Perfectly said, Jo - at least he's trying - how many can actually say that?

      he makes me feel as if i should do more - therefore - he's making even more of a positive impact...

      thanks so much for taking the time to visit!!

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Leslie, I just posted a hub about the benefits of pure coconut oil for Alzheimer's patients. One lady just wants to keep arguing with me but has not accepted my challenge to show me proof of her repeated refutes. Some people are just argumentative and only see their own point of view. It's those who are not open to information and the benefit of the doubt that should keep their typing fingers clenched inside the knots of their hearts!

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      TeaPartyCrasher 4 years ago from Camp Hill, PA

      I just wonder if he's reformed out of revalation or he knew it would help his career. . .

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @TeaPartyCrasher: Nice to see you my friend! Well, i can't say for sure, but i do know he had to reach out to the humane society more than once - and he did so from prison - when he thought he'd lost - everything..

      time will tell - there's no hiding an agenda forever..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Aviannovice: Hello dear, so nice to see you! You've seen a LOT - and yet - you are still willing to forgive..

      it astounds me how adamant some folks are about their hatred - i wonder if he walked on water if they'd change their minds..somehow - i doubt it...

      (lol..oops..)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Rosemay50: Bravo, Rose! So well said! i too offer my respect - 'for the man he has now become'!!!

      perfect!

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      Julio E Olmo Sr 4 years ago from Florida, USA

      There's a reason I don't believe he's sorry & it has to with a NFL function, which he attended a couple years ago. I think he's sorry he got caught!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AlwaysExploring: I dunno Ruby, but clearly - neither of us have given up on people...at least not completely.

      I'm THRILLED with all the voices of reason here - my expectations were lower!

      SEE? There is hope - once we can forgive (but..ONLY the forgivable..) we can come together and maybe GROW for a change - instead of shrink..

      Thanks for the support - everywhere, my friend!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Girishpuri: Hello my friend - so nice to see you and - i am not surprised in the least that you lean towards forgiveness! You have a kind heart and an old soul..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AHorseback: Football? What dat? lol...

      our own worst enemies? that's becoming all to clear, isn't it? sigh..

      Thanks for meandering over and setting a spell, Cowboy! lol

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      Deborah Neyens 4 years ago from Iowa

      My mind was made up that I could never forgive him but you make some good points. Now, maybe ...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Bravewarrior: I just went and read that hub, Shauna - had NO idea about the benefits, possible benefits - or probable benefits of coconut oil..i have high cholesterol - going to buy....

      But - if it works for you and others - who is SHE to freaking ARGUE??? State her opinion - FINE?

      Argue - especially with you're going through what you are..

      sigh..where have FEELINGS gone?? can't we just agree to disagree?

      i agree about the knotsxx

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      Charles Dawson 4 years ago from Virginia Beach, VA

      I'm sure that I can never forgive Michael Vick for his cruelty to and slaying of dogs for profit. However, I do not agree with or condone the words and actions of those that call him names and threaten the health and lives of he and his family. Those people are far more wrong and offensive than his crimes. .... I just see double-standards all around. Michael Vick is given a second chance and forgiveness because of professional football and the media coverage of his crimes, but regular Joe Citizen would not have gotten that same second chance or forgiveness. ... Moreover, you're correct in pointing out the glass houses thing. Others seem to think that righting his wrongs means doing wrongs themselves to him. No thanks! Wrong is wrong, period. .... In the end, the only things that I deny Vick are my respect and forgiveness. He can never earn those.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahNeyens: You my dear - just made my day...week...life with your comment..

      If i can change or open just one mind - just one iota - i'm satisfied!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Chuckd7138: Fair enough, Chuck - i appreciate your delineation and your reason in feeling that death threats are WAY over the line - even if you can't personally forgive..

      I just wanna say one eensy weensy thing - this guy was WAAAAAAAAAY beneath most 'Joe Citizen's' - His talent presented him opportunities - that's the american dream, is it not?

      we can't fault him for that..

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      Michelle Liew 4 years ago from Singapore

      I agree with Chuck. I think that we should not condone Michael's actions....but at the same time, endangering his family is also not right. A good thing though, dog fighting is reduced because of him.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Midget38: I agree with him toooooo....

      nice seeing you Michelle!

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      SassySue1963 4 years ago

      I agree with almost everything you've said here (of course, it's almost lol).

      I find it difficult to reach full forgiveness. Kids & animals. Helpless and completely dependent. It's one of my hot buttons when anyone does intentional harm to either.

      The only thing I truly take issue with, and it isn't with you, but in general, is the entire "let's blame my upbringing and environment" argument. My father grew up in such a neighborhood. Of course, they weren't called ghettos then. Normal for him was skipping school and hanging out with whatever friends had been recently released from reform school. Every Friday afternoon he spent checking the neighborhood bars for his Dad, hoping he could corral him before he spent his entire paycheck. At 14, he dropped out of school and went to work. He was the oldest you see, and they needed to eat. Funny thing though. He never abused animals, went to prison, assaulted another person, dealt drugs or any myriad of things people choose to blame on their childhood environment. If you're going to accept responsibility, then accept it. Don't just move it along.

      I find the threats he received disgusting. Whether I forgive him or not for his actions has no bearing on my opinion of that sort of behavior.

      Voted up for its positive message, even if I'm not quite there yet.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @SassySue1963: Hi Sue! Been a while...nice to see you - and agreeing yet...almost! lol..

      Listen - i only listed his environment as ONE contributing factor - which it certainly is..to some degree.

      he was dog fighting long before getting a contract with the nfl - NOT that i'm making excuses for him - i'm not exactly in love either - i just really give him cred for what he's doing now - which is all positive - and all unnecessary (he's already a football hero...again...)

      hey - if our upbringing was the ONLY defining factor - i'd either be a crack-addicted whore - or dead..

      ya know?

      thanks for dropping in...

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      FyrFytr234 4 years ago

      Never say never, correct?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @FyrFytr234: Corrrrrect! lol XX

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      First of all dear Leslie I must apologize for being a stranger here at your hallowed hubspace but do know one thing I have always admired your fearless no bullshit writing style - you are truly one of a kind and that is from another one of a kind , lol.

      I notice one of your hubs has over 3,000 comments - in order to get down to the bottom of the screen I would have to put my machine here on automatic scroll and see you sometime in mid-May, lol.

      Usually criminals are not sorry 'they did it' - they're sorry they 'got caught'

      Personally I would have banned Mr. Vick from the NFL for what he did but money talks and bullshit walks. Also I hear down there in the south this kind of treatment to dogs is accepted by some as part of their southern culture and heritage.

      Surely Mister Vick could have picked a better hobby than this one.

      So nice to see you again and best wishes from the Colin clan - one flesh and two furried, Tiffy and Gabriel

      lake erie time 11:15pm

      and thanks for doing what you do best - speaking your mind.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epi: No worries, Epi! I appreciate your stopping by! I don't like playing the 'ill read you if you read me' game...

      i read what i like - even if they don't read me back...

      Awesome to see you again, my friend!

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