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Musical Misgivings: Membership in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Updated on September 22, 2016

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has always engendered controversy. The uninitiated may chalk this up to artistic differences. But something else is going on in the selection process. I don’t know what it is, whether politics or just bad taste, but the amount of great artists who are overlooked every year is staggering. Most of the power on the committee belongs to Rolling Stone founder Jann Wenner and some close associates. Even in the arts, absolute power corrupts.

If I said to you that a band with 22 gold, and 18 platinum albums along with 21 Top 10 singles was not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, what would your response be? That’s easy; you would say I was crazy. Well, it’s true. And the band’s name is Chicago and they have been one of the most innovative rock bands in American history. The band is second only to The Beach Boys in Billboard chart singles and album chart success among American bands. Over the course of their career they have had five number-one albums.

There are probably a multitude of reasons why Chicago is not in the Hall of Fame. The politics of the selection committee, personal vendettas against some of the band members and the band itself is probably to blame in some ways. After the hits dried up in the early 90s, they continued to tour but their shows started featuring medleys and got a little cheesy. It’s still unfair. Their musicianship isn’t any less fantastic. But turning into a “County Fair” act can hurt when many of the selection committee consider themselves “purists.” The band was around long enough and was influential to scores of other acts. Even Jimmy Guercio, their first manager, deserves to be in the Hall, not just for Chicago, but for many other acts like Blood, Sweat and Tears. He was as much an impresario as Don Kirchner.

Jann Wenner
Jann Wenner | Source

Other acts excluded include Hall and Oates, KISS, The Doobie Brothers, The Marvelettes and Chubby Checker. Yes, even the man who brought us the Twist is excluded. Chubby wasn’t around very long from a Top 40 perspective, but his influence outlasted his pop persona. Why the snub? What exactly is the nominating process to get in the Hall of Fame? Madonna and Public Enemy are now members. This prompts the question: What is Rock and Roll? It can be defined, but maybe it’s only in the ear of the beholder.

Hall and Oates is another snub that particularly bothers me. It’s strange because I’m not actually a fan. But their ability is undeniable. They’ve had 6 #1 hits, numerous other Top 40 hits and were the only white act to simultaneously be on the Pop and R & B charts at the same time. Is it John Oates’ fro? The cheesy videos? I hope Daryl Hall's show "Live from Daryl's House" goes a long way towards getting him and Oates the respect they deserve. Just listen to those young artists who come to play with his band.

It’s not just artists but others like Brian Epstein. The late manager of the Beatles is still excluded. He changed the Beatles in profound ways, remaking their image which made them more popular (acceptable to the mainstream culture of the U.S.). The British Invasion led to groundbreaking changes in the American music scene. The Beatles had to get through the Please, Please Me stage and become established before they could have the creative power to make Sgt. Pepper or Let it Be. Without Epstein, that would not have been possible. His life was tragically cut short but he did much with his limited time.

No Chicago, Hall & Oates or Epstein. To me, it borders on the criminal. And what about Bob Geldof? He created what was at the time in 1985, the largest Rock and Roll show of the decade with Live Aid. It brought an unbelievable array of artists on live TV for 24 hours worldwide. Who knows how that influenced both the music and the fans in later years? He also revived the idea that music can be a force for change again.

Something is wrong when non-rock acts get in and acts like Chicago are left out. Look, I love Chuck D and Public Enemy. He was an innovator, but not with Rock and Roll. I consider Hip Hop a completely different genre of music on par with rock. Madonna was a genius at dance/pop music. And her talent lay in promoting herself, not songwriting.

Leonard Cohen
Leonard Cohen | Source
ABBA in 1974
ABBA in 1974 | Source
Album cover for Appetitie for Destruction
Album cover for Appetitie for Destruction | Source

They Deserve To Be Enshrined

Steve Perry - The Voice. How many kids took up singing because they heard Steve sing and idolized him?
Steve Perry - The Voice. How many kids took up singing because they heard Steve sing and idolized him? | Source
Journey | Source

But instead of me making some intellectual argument toting the various artists and bands, let’s look at some of the inductees instead. I think they make my argument for me. You decide if their supposed “influence” on the genre is really Hall of Fame worthy and equal to those excluded:

1. Leonard Cohen – Yes, brilliant songwriter. Influenced Bob Dylan and Paul Simon. Poet, novelist and songwriter. Putting someone in for indirectly influencing other songwriters opens up the door pretty wide. I mean, do you put the author of Ecclesiastes in the Hall because of the Birds’ Turn, Turn Turn? If Dylan wrote a couple of songs based on the poems of Siegfried Sassoon, do you put Sassoon in the Hall of Fame? Bizarre. Haven’t all poets influenced all songwriters in one way or another? Don’t forget about Dylan Thomas. Bob took his name from the man. The Bible is the most influential book of all time; shouldn’t it get a Nobel Prize for Literature?

Compare it to sports: Bobby Bonds is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame, but he did help raise his son Barry, didn’t he? And worked on his swing in the backyard (maybe). That’s influence. Barry Bonds is arguably one of the top 10 players of all time. Should all of Hank Aaron’s minor league and Negro league managers be in the Baseball Hall of Fame because of their influence on him? What about Tom Seaver’s first pitching coach? No, of course not. Where does it end? How about the Xavierian Brothers who ran Babe Ruth’s orphanage in Baltimore? Okay, there are scouts in the Baseball Hall of Fame and managers. But that selection committee is tough and they’ve had their stupid moments like recently not allowing any player in or the famous Aaron snub (lack of a unanimous vote). Overall, they get it right most of the time.

2. ABBA – Yes, it’s Sweden’s greatest contribution to 70s pop rock. Don’t get me wrong: it was great music and a lot of fun. But influential? Someone clue me on that one. The winner sometimes doesn’t take it all. Maybe the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has finally met its Waterloo. All I can say is Mamma Mia! Okay, I’ll stop.

3. Guns and Roses – Okay, not just your average hair metal band. Appetite for Destruction is one of my all time favorites, and one of the greatest heavy metal albums of all time. But they were around for only 5 years with their original line up. What artists point to them as inspirations? Great act. Great musicians. Zero influence on the genre. There was no consistency. Their follow up to Appetite was deplorable. I better stop now because Duff McKagen doesn’t live too far from me.

4. Randy Newman – Really? Why not Henry Mancini, Elmer Bernstein or Jerry Goldsmith? Isn’t he known more for movie scores? I’m confused here. Even as a songwriter, he’s not rock and roll. Short People and L.A. don’t do it for me. Two of his more famous compositions, "Mama told me not to come," and "You can leave your hat on," are certainly great songs, and part of the culture, but Hall of Fame worthy? Yes, he’s worked with a lot of people. So what? So has George Duke, and he’s not in the Hall of Fame. What about David Foster? He's won an incredible amount of Grammys and he made the Chicago sound of the 1980s along with Peter Cetera. I don't get it. Look, he's a great songwriter but he could have waited.

Is there a Newman sound? Maybe if I listen to John Goodman sing “If I Didn’t Have You,” another fifty times, I might change my mind. Sorry. If someone can convince me with a cogent argument for the rock greatness of Randy Newman, let me know. Personally, Newman from Seinfeld has had a greater influence on pop culture. Truly a ridiculous entry. Better yet, it’s a joke.

5. Madonna – Yeah, her. ‘Nuff said. I have smoke coming out of my ears every time I think it about it. What’s next? Suddenly Susan as one of the greatest Rock and Roll movies of all time? It’s not the “Pop Music” Hall of Fame. It’s Rock and Roll, brother. And with her, that’s missing. Rock and Roll can be Pop, but not all Pop is Rock and Roll. This is going too far. They may as well hold open a spot for Lady Gaga.

Now, there are bands that I love and are inductees, but I don’t feel they should be in there. The Kinks are one. Look I’ve seen them live and I was at one of Ray Davies’ book tour performances in the mid 1990s. Unbelievable experience. But were they Hall of Fame worthy? More than Chicago? Cream is another. And finally, Creedence. Love ‘em. But not worthy. The Kinks have been around a long time. I’ll give them that. So maybe that qualifies. But Cream and Credence were not around very long. They were popular and made great music. I’d be in favor of their inclusion if so many others were not left out.

Entry into the Hall of Fame should be based on contributions musically, and influence. The contributions could just be making great music for a fairly long period of time (Journey, Foreigner, Kiss, etc.) or as in the case of Chubby Checker, help transform the genre toward something new. In the late 50s and early 60s, a guy like Chubby was a bridge between white and black culture in America. The importance of that is immeasurable. Take a look at the old footage of him performing on shows like American Bandstand doing The Twist. It looks funny now. But he was dancing around with white folks in the audience and on the floor. That's groudbreaking (i.e. influence). Today it's hard to imagine why that would cause such anger. The same goes for so many other black singers of that era. They have been overlooked for too long. Could you keep performing while receiving death threats?

Many critics dismiss Journey as pop rock or corporate rock. But how many guys took up guitar because they heard Neil Schon's licks? What about Steve Perry? I know there has to be artists today that took up music because they heard him sing. It's these little things that are overlooked when trying to measure greatness.

Popularity and longevity enter into it as well. If you’ve had multiple #1 hits over a decade, that’s pretty darn good. Also, the complexity of the music (i.e. Chicago, Hall and Oates), has to matter. It is an art form. Listen to Chicago's first two albums and try to tell me that it's not some of the most original material you've ever heard. And they were only in their early 20s!.

Taste is open to interpretation. I’m just asking for Jann Wenner and his cronies to be rational and fair. Good music is good music; you don’t have to like it to respect it. If you disagree, let me know. Or let me know the acts that you feel have been left out of the Hall.

Talent and Longevity Be Damned

Chicago in 2004. How many hits do you have to have to get into the Hall of Fame?
Chicago in 2004. How many hits do you have to have to get into the Hall of Fame? | Source

Why Not?

Kiss. Doesn't the band that brought us "I Wanna Rock and Roll All Night And Party Every Day" belong in the Hall of Fame?
Kiss. Doesn't the band that brought us "I Wanna Rock and Roll All Night And Party Every Day" belong in the Hall of Fame? | Source
The Kinks in 1965. They're in the Hall of  Fame, but should they be?
The Kinks in 1965. They're in the Hall of Fame, but should they be? | Source

Updates: Class of 2014 Nominees

Well, the nominees have come out and justice may be upon us. Hall and Oates has at least been nominated. We'll see if the selection committee comes to their senses. Nirvana is also on the list and a shoe in. They changed rock. Hair bands died with the release of Nevermind and In Utero. The rest of the list is diverse to say the least: NWA, Linda Ronstadt, KISS, The Replacements, The Meters (funk band), Chic, the classic disco/funk hitmakers, Deep Purple, Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Peter Gabriel, LL Cool J, Cat Stevens, Link Wray, Yes and the Zombies.

My other choices are simple: KISS, Peter Gabriel and Linda Ronstadt. KISS is what rock and roll is all about; having a good time, experimenting with new things and being outrageous. Peter Gabriel is an amazing artist and has been overlooked for years. Go back and listen to his work with Genesis as well as his solo career. His work was groundbreaking. As for Linda Ronstadt, I'm not the biggest fan, but she did influence a lot of woman singers to get into the business. And for that, she deserves the honor. I think her illness will also help garner some votes. Why not? She gave her life to her craft.

I stick to my guns regarding Hip Hop. It is a separate genre of music, on par with rock that was a force for social change and awareness, which deserves its own hall of fame. Chuck D was a genius. LL was great. Groundbreaking? Not really. My feelings about Hip Hop are similar to my feelings on Leonard Cohen; it's not rock and roll. It's great. But not rock. NWA was an amazing collection of talented artists that included Dr. Dre and Ice Cube. They were equivalent to Elvis and Bill Haley in the 1950s, when those two guys helped create what we now know as Rock and Roll. Two white men helped bridge the gap between the races through art. Hip Hop artists helped make the larger society aware of what was happening in urban America through a new art form. For that, they deserve their own HoF. We need to narrow down the genre a little. Chic was an awesome band. But not that much better than KC and the Sunshine Band. But disco was an offshoot of rock and roll, there's no denying that. The element were there.

The others are a mixed bag. I loved The Replacements but they will never be HoF worthy. Butterfield is a no. Also loved Deep Purple, but not that much better than their contemporaries. Now, for Yes, I have mixed feelings. Absolutely loved them. Saw them live. Unbelievable musicians. Their music was truly art. But HoF worthy? Not sure yet. Maybe next year. But then I go back to the single most terrifying metric: Madonna is a member. So why not Yes?

I will update the article as news comes down.

NWA in their prime.
NWA in their prime. | Source
Peter Gabriel in 1974.
Peter Gabriel in 1974. | Source

2014 Inductees - Some Wrongs Get Righted

Well, Hall and Oates and Kiss finally made it. But there 's still a long way to go.

As for the other nominees, Nirvana is the most deserving. They were groundbreaking; no doubt about it. But can't help be sad when you think of Cobain. Just a waste. Peter Gabriel? Great artist. I don't care. Linda Ronstadt was the sentimental pick and I'm glad to see her be honored. She is now in poor health and why not honor another woman. I go back to the same mantra: if Madonna is in, why not? Cat Stevens is kind of a bizarre pick. I don't get it. To me, he was just another singer/songwriter from the 70s. Cat Stevens is in but Chicago is you see a problem?

Glad to see Brian Epstein make it. Don't know much about Andrew Loog Oldham except that he worked with the Rolling Stones. But from what I've read, the award is deserved. The E Street Band made it in and that's great. Terrific live performers and supporting Springsteen all those years should get them recognized.

You Decide

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      Joe Cseko jr 10 months ago from New York, USA, Earth

      You did call it, though.

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      CJ Kelly 10 months ago from Auburn, WA

      Thx, Joe. Appreciate the comments. I have to update this piece as well now that Chicago and a couple of other artists are in the HoF.

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      Joe Cseko jr 10 months ago from New York, USA, Earth

      Admittedly I haven't read the entire piece ,yet. I'm pressed for time at the moment. I will come back and finish reading.

      Before I do, yes, I agree, something's amiss here. That's not to mention the entire music industry is broken.

      I'm not just saying this because I'm older now, but there was a time when talent assured that you would succeed in the business. That's no longer the case.

      I'm a guitarist. I played professionally throughout the nineties, taught throughout the late eighties/ early nineties. People liked the bands that I was in, and one was offered a small contract from an indie label. I literally used to practice 8- 12 hours per day. I used to tell people that I'd practiced my way out of a job.

      I'll keep my discussion relative to your article when I return to read/comment further.

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      CJ Kelly 19 months ago from Auburn, WA

      Not sure about James. But Hooker and Guy are in I believe. You go to their website: Not the easiest website to navigate.

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      Marc Lee 19 months ago from Durham, NC

      Wondering also if Elmore James, and John Lee Hooker, Jr and Buddy Guy are in? Actually have a friend who is in, I believe for his musical playing on a rap song. He did the bass rift on the Sugar Hill classic song.. Chip Shearin anspd me go way back....

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      CJ Kelly 19 months ago from Auburn, WA

      Bluesradio, almost all of those folks are in the Hall of Fame. Hendrix, Johnson, Muddy Waters, Sam Cooke, and B.B. King are all in for sure. Jay Hawkins was a tremendous influence on so many artists, I really hope he gets in soon. Thx.

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      Marc Lee 19 months ago from Durham, NC

      Blues and Rock are intertwined so have no problem with a Blues artist getting nominated but Paul Butterfield should wait until after Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, Screaming Jay Hawkins, B.B. King, Koko Taylor, and so many others are inducted. Is Prince in, and if not will he be this great? Also is Hendrix or Richie Havens or Gil Scott Heron or Peter, Paul and Mary in. How much of the protest music of the sixties and Seventies in. Is Sam Cooke in yet?

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      CJ Kelly 2 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Wish come true this morning. Chicago has been nominated. Now will they get the votes? Certainly NWA will make it this time. I don't get Janet Jackson or Steve Miller. What exactly are their contributions? Time for another hub.

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      CJ Kelly 2 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thank you Paul and Theresa. Really appreciate the comments. So many feel strongly about the HoF, but no one inside is listening. LTW, I agree on separate HoFs. I think it's insulting to Hip Hop artists not to have their own Hall of Fame. That was a groundbreaking musical genre that combined so many other elements, the way Rock and Roll did in the 1950s. That should be recognized. Lumping them together with rock acts does them a disservice. In a similar vein and as I mention in the article, Randy Newman and Leonard Cohen may have been influencial to rock artists, but does that merit entry? They belong in the song writers HoF but not the R&R HoF. Many rock artists were inspired to sing by listening to Frank Sinatra, does he merit entry too? A narrowing of focus is required. Thx again to all.

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      Learn Things Web 2 years ago from California

      They should limit entry to rock artists. I listen to multiple genres of music and there are so many great people in different genres that deserve to be honored that it would get overwhelming. It would make more sense to have a Hall of Fame for each genre.

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      Theresa Ast 2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Fascinating Hub. Thanks for all the work you put into it. There is definitely something amiss with the nomination and selection process. Hope you are well. Theresa Sharing.

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      Paul Richard Kuehn 2 years ago from Udorn City, Thailand

      This is a very interesting hub which I really enjoyed reading. Yes, it is amazing that Chicago is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame considering all of the great music they had in the 70s and 80s. Chicago must have really done something to piss off the people who make the selections. Voted up and sharing with HP followers.

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      CJ Kelly 2 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Hi Mcconn. Thx for stopping by. I remember the heyday of Scorpions very well and I am familiar with their "non-hits." Never was a big fan, but respect the heck out of them. I would put them in . Think it would be good to get a more diverse fan base for the institution. Is there another German band in the HoF? Probably not. Under normal circumstances, I would say they don't deserve it. But two reasons I would put them: 1. Worldwide acclaim with hit songs in several languages and 2. Madonna is in the HoF. It will always come back to her. If she's in, half the garage bands I heard in high school should be elected. And don't get me started on Randy Newman... I need to update the article and will have another music-related piece real soon. Appreciate it.

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      Mcconn18 2 years ago

      Scorpions are an amazing band dating back to the early 70's with Uli Jan Roth .. Hidden treasures written and performed from 1970 - 1980 ... The 80's they were the dominant Live act ... Unbeatable !!!!.. They continued to write quality music even currently -- 50 yrs later .. International superstars and have sold over 100 million albums !!!

      Amazing pristine musicianship live and in recording .. Really just a mockery NoT to be in the hall ...for those only familiar with Winds of Change and Hurricane .. You may Not understand .. But true fans of this great band will certainly agree!!!!

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      I'm honored, KA. I make no $$ off my work, just do it for fun. So thanks very much.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama

      This is a hub of masterpiece category. I loved it.

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thx tillsontitan. I will up the fight to get Chicago and others into the HoF. Have a great holiday.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Like any other "honor" , those who do the choosing have the most power. Another example is the Academy could say they are all subjective but you've made so many good points and good choices, but the powers that be still have the final say.

      Voted up, useful, and interesting.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama


      You are very welcome. Yes. Let's work on getting Chicago to the HoF. And this is your hub, but thank YOU, AlexDrinkH2O, for the compliment. lions44, I hope you didn't mind me commenting to Alex on your hub.

      Happy Labor Day all.

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      AlexDrinkH2O 3 years ago from Southern New England, USA

      "I wish I had the power to stop time and I could get stuck in the era where Rock was Rock." I could not agree more!!!

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thx, KA. Much appreciated. Getting Chicago into the HoF is a must.

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      Kenneth Avery 3 years ago from Hamilton, Alabama


      Ahh, we meet again. I loved this piece. Any piece on rock and roll, (from the late 50's--60's) I am there. You are a very talented writer and I find this true of this hub. I voted up and all of the choices. You deserved it.

      Yeah, I disagree too about Chicago being snubbed and a lot more pure artists than the raw rap that caught fire in our radio stations.

      I wish I had the power to stop time and I could get stuck in the era where Rock was Rock.

      Hey, keep up the great work, lions44. Proud to follow you.

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thx for the input, e-five. Roxy Music does make for an interesting argument. I don't have a problem with them getting in because of their influence. I would even vote for The Smiths. Not my cup of tea, but certainly influential.

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      John C Thomas 3 years ago from Chicago, Illinois, USA

      My pet peeve is Roxy Music. Maybe more influential (especially if you count Brian Eno's post-Roxy influence) than big sellers and hit-makers, but they had considerable non-American sales success.

      Chicago didn't invent the brass pop/rock sound (The Buckinghams? Blood, Sweat, and Tears?), but they certainly perfected it.

      Your mention of Randy Newman made me think about Nilsson as another influential dark horse nominee.

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      Larry Rankin 3 years ago from Oklahoma

      Great read. I was really surprised to hear Chubby Checker isn't a member. You always have the nonsense and elitism when foundations like this take it upon themselves to tell us what we like.

      I like what I like and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can like what they like.

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      oldiesmusic 3 years ago from United States

      I have problems in entering my comment here. Now here at last! hehehe.

      I'm not a fan of Nirvana, but they changed the rock landscape almost singlehandedly. Kurt "faded away" while the band was at the peak of their fame. Their contributions really outweighed their band's short life span.

      Kiss finally will be inducted this year... I don't know if it's a good news or bad. Fans feel that they should have been inducted much earlier.

      I love ABBA, and I also did an article on them. But I don't think they're too RAR Hall of Fame material. Not too innovative nor influential.. although thanks to Mamma Mia they've got a new generation of fans I think. :)

      Nice article there, my friend.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

      One more point I have in favour of Scorpions is that they were the first heavy metal /hard rock band from a non-English speaking country and from an era when English was actually looked down upon in Germany. Many great bands in the beginning of their careers (Metallica, Bon Jovi, Iron Maiden, Def Leppard, etc. ) opened the concerts of the Scorps. Iron Maiden covered their song " The Zoo" too.

      But the real strength of the band was their live performances and power ballads. No band ever came close to their act.

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Suhail, I love your passion for DP. I certainly am I fan and think they should be in the HoF. Ian Paice is one of my favorite rock drummers of all time. But I'm still on the fence regarding Scorpions. I only them from the 80s songs and I do know that they out front during the end of the Cold War. I admire them for that. But not sure if they are HoF worthy. Then again, if Madonna is in, why not Scorpions? Love your passion. Thx very much.

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      CJ Kelly 3 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thx, dahoglund. That's high praise. Glad it was entertaining.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

      What a great article on a topic that I probably post most comments every website I visit!

      Rock and Roll Hall of Fame remains controversial for me simply because bands like Deep Purple, Kiss and even Scorpions are not in.

      About Deep Purple, Wikipedia has this to say: "Deep Purple are cited as one of the pioneers of hard rock and heavy metal, along with Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. The group have influenced a number of rock and metal bands including Metallica, Queen, Aerosmith, Van Halen, Alice in Chains, Pantera, Bon Jovi, Rush, Motörhead, and many New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands such as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Def Leppard. Iron Maiden's bassist and primary songwriter, Steve Harris, states that the band's "heaviness" was inspired by "Black Sabbath and Deep Purple with a bit of Zeppelin thrown in.""

      In fact, all the melodious and blues based hard rock bands of the 80s are influenced by Deep Purple.

      You have already written about KISS.

      Scorpions became only the second Western group (not American) to play in the Soviet Union on the Savage Amusement tour in 1988. Uriah Heep had performed in December, 1987 in Leningrad. The following year the band returned to perform at the Moscow Music Peace Festival. As a result, Scorpions developed an extended Russian fan base and still return to perform. This fact is also lost on the Hall of Fame.

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      Don A. Hoglund 3 years ago from Wisconsin Rapids

      I'm a bit out of date and not too familiar with rock bands. I love Rock a Billie, but I have not followed the genre much. I have a low opinion of awards in general. I found you hub interesting though and am sharingi it.

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      CJ Kelly 4 years ago from Auburn, WA

      BOC should definitely be in there. Very influential band. Meets the criteria. It's part of the ongoing nonsense with that museum. They don't need to put artists in every year. It should be a "special" event. Thxs for commenting.

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      AlexDrinkH2O 4 years ago from Southern New England, USA

      Hard to believe Chicago is not in there. And what about Blue Oyster Cult? Around since 1972, sold some 24 MILLION albums, and have influenced many other bands, and not just heavy metal bands. Like you, I don't believe "rap" belongs in the Hall of Fame. (I'm not sure it is even music but that's just me . . .)

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      CJ Kelly 4 years ago from Auburn, WA

      Thanks for the interesting comments, Bill. The more I think about it, the Epstein snub makes me really mad. His choices shaped the 60s, albeit he could never have known his impact. Even Paul referred to him as the real 5th Beatle. Oh well. Stay well.

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      billd01603 4 years ago from Worcester

      Interesting Hub. Voted up. I believe Kinks, Cream and belong there, but that's just my own opinion. Chicago was always disliked by the Rock media, I can understand why they aren't in. But ABBA? Chicago's music was always light and not on the same level as the Beatles, Dylan or even Springsteen. But it was always enjoyable. Much more than ABBA. I never really liked them. Talk about cheesy.

      Also, I didn't realize Brian Epstein was in.