My Ives Family Genealogy

I'm starting this story about my father's mother, my grandmother "Georgianna Ives" born in Hartford Connecticut - Oct 25.1860 her parents Philo L. Ives and Anna P. Thrall.

Georgianna was from the famed clockmaker and print family Ives. Her father and grandfather Lawson C. Ives were in the clock making industry and inventors for clock mechanisms including various other companies like Cotton Linen, Threads, Copper and Silver. From what I have read, they were not good business men, however, their inventions and patents used for clocks, were some of the firsts...They were also noted for their generosity and philanthropy.

For years I have seen L. C. Ives clocks for sale, of course now they are way too expensive for me...I wish I'd bought one years ago.

She was quite beautiful, her hair was snow-white by the age of 25 (thank goodness I did not inherit that!) she had three beautiful sisters Edith, Grace and Annie.

From what I understand, in the 1800's wealthy American families would send their daughters to Europe to find wealthy husbands...and most likely this was for Edith, Grace, Ann and Georgianna. They moved to Europe and married there, one in England, one in France and my grandmother in Germany. I believe two of them are buried in Europe, my grandmother in Garmisch Germany, where I saw her for the last time.

This brings me to a memory of my grandmother and quite frankly, not a "feel good" memory...you see I was scared of her. She would grab you with a death grip and order you to do something. This brings to mind when visiting her at a resort where she lived, she would ask me to go and get some candy from a closet, of course I obliged as chocolate was a rarity during the war...in this closet to my surprise were many Hershey Chocolate bars (most likely from American GI's)

I grabbed a bar and delivered it to her. She then very carefully unwrapped this treasure with her bony fine fingers, wearing diamond rings that were glistening in the sun...and then to find the chocolate almost white from overexposure and age. She painstakingly broke off one square and handed it to me, and one square to my twin sister. With a smile on her face she ate the rest of the candy bar. Then ordering us to kiss her hairy thin cheek to thank her... well at least I have this memory...note, a child's memory...I'm sure this is most likely why I love chocolate so much, and myself was stingy with sharing it.

Another memory of my grandmother, was her love for Lilacs...It was known that she would always wear Lilacs on her hats.

Supposedly when she got married, the streets to the Frauenkirche church in Dresden was lined with Violets and Lilacs...as well as the decorated carriage.

Certainly there must have been a photo of that day, after all, they were a well known family. Most likely the 1945 firebombing of Dresden must have destroyed all the photos.

The last time I visited my Tante (Aunt) Margot (my mom's sister) in Nürnberg, she shared something about my grandmother. My Aunt said that Georgianna was not friendly but very elegant, upright (almost snobbish looking) always wearing beautiful clothing and jewelry, large brimmed hats that she adorned with Lilac flowers (like I mentioned above) going for walks using her beautiful Russian walking stick, accompanied by her personal maid.

Here again I wish I had asked more questions, but then when you're young, the questions don't come easily because you really don't know what to ask.

* Thrall

* Bissell

* Upson

* Grannis

* Thorp

* Shailer

* Fitch

* Welch

* Whitmore

* Roberts

* Captain J. Cone

* Loomis

* William Ives (line from England)

An email from Ancestry.com came, saying, for a few days you can go through the immigration and travel section of the site for FREE...Although I have been there many times and searched I never found much, but within minutes I discovered her photo and passport application, she being about 58...it was noted she was coming back to the US for a visit. I discovered that she still was an American citizen and lived in Lucerne Switzerland traveling through Europe, but no permanent address. When you retain your US citizenship you must come back every few years. I know that they had a vacation Villa in Switzerland but didn't realize she lived there...her other residence was in a huge Hotel in Dresden.

I was happy to find a ship manifest on Ellis Island.org revealing that my father and my grandmother had visited his Aunt Sophia Owen in New York Oct. 16,1906. I also noted that my grandmother called herself Georgie. My dad was an 18 year old student having more then $50 with him and that he had been to the US before. The ship they came over on, was the S.S. Kronprinz Wilhelm. (pictured)

After my grandfather Ludwig died, grandmother took up living with her assistant-maid in an elegant Hotel in Dresden. Like I mentioned before, she also lived in Lucern, Switzerland and came back to the US because she had dual citizenship. Her time was passed traveling all over Europe...until the war broke out.

When my husband and I visited Dresden we sat in front of this most beautiful Hotel, commenting on the elegance...When we came home, I found out that this Hotel was where she had lived! Wish I'd known this when we were there, I would have gone inside.

Georgianna's family, whether her father's side or her husband's side, were well known. The papers reported on everything regarding what they did...from philanthropy, wills, buying land or having houses built, socializing at parties or their travels....some of the information during their time in Dresden I found on the internet in old newspapers including U.S. and London... as well in e-books online... I have not found any information on the internet or in papers of the times in Russia.

Someone told me there was a data base for Hartford Connecticut newspapers on the Ives family at the Madison Historical Society in WI. The day I visited it was too crowded, so we left...on our way out, my eye caught a glimpse of a stand with little booklets in them, a word actually caught my eye "Hartford." Curiosity got the best of me so I picked up the booklet, and on the first page I saw the words "IVES"...hmmm Thank You God, I said! I made copies of this article written by a woman named Paula Ross "Lawson C. Ives and the Ives Widows' Homes: The Man, The Women, and The Missing Pieces," written for a course at the Trinity College .

While looking in the Connecticut magazine I found information in an article, and now knew that my research failure was not me, it was the elusiveness of the Ives family in particular Georgianna's family. This article brought me to a man named Mr. Robert L. Edwards who also wrote a book "More then a Room Immanuel House and it's Predecessor" in regards to the Ives family and their involvement of a particular house that was once set up for Civil War Widows...now known as the Immanuel House.

I was happy to find information I was looking for, and it gave me more for new research

This little book is very interesting, regarding some of the Hartford Connecticut residence and their kind deeds that left an effect on the city. Mr.Edwards had called me and we talked briefly about the book and that I should be proud of my Ives family for their generosity.

I'm happy to know that my grandmother's Ives family were philanthropist, just like my paternal Meyer side in Germany, all this about the same time period...I find that interesting.

I received an email with this image, a book related to my Great grandfather Lawson C. Ives and his involvement in being one of the original founders of the Willimantic Linen Co. also a page on his Clock Co. involvement.....

The image here is from the book "The Great Industries of the United States" 1872. Published by J.B. BURR & HYDE CO.

A nine page article on Spool-Cotton-Thread and a five page article on Clocks.

I found this reading information about the Ives family interesting...elusive maybe, but still information I never knew.

• The Ives Geneaology Zone All about the Ives genealogy
• C and LC Ives Antique Clock

  Find Antique Clocks by Manufacturer Name C and LC Ives See many more antique C and LC Ives clock prices, photos and descriptions at Antique Clocks Price Guide.com Get Unlimited Access Now Search the Entire Database of 17,966 Antique Clock Description

• Death of Lawson C. Ives, of Hartford. - Article Preview - The New York Times

  Death announcement of L.C.Ives

• Willimantic Cotton Mill Co.

  Lawson C. Ives and Austin Dunham originally founded the Willimantic Linen Company in 1854 to process flax into linen goods.

During my research and using my dad's original handwritten Ahnentafel (Genealogy Chart) I noticed the Hartford Connecticut connection. I had then gone through my suitcase and found some articles to the Hartford Times were mom was looking for a sponsor of the Ives family to bring us to America...not surprising, no one wanted a widowed, penniless Baroness with two small children. By th Grace of God, an American soldier friend of mom's found someone to sponsor us, this would avoid the potential of having become a ward of the state.

I don't know too much about him, except for the facts that he was born in Dresden 5/27/1860 died in Paris 8/7/1930 buried in the family grave at Trinitatisfriedhof (Cemetery) in Dresden Germany....He was a handsome man, marrying Georgianna Ives 6/1/1886 a known European beauty. As mentioned before, they were married in the famed Frauenkirche (church) Dresden...

Having never asked anything about him or his parents, and failing to do that...I certainly have regrets. Now knowing that my sister and I are the only living von Meyer's left... I have a sadness.

I always wondered how my grandfather got his 'von' in front of his name Meyer. When I was researching another family member named Adolphe de Meyer, I found the ennoblement of my grandfather Ludwig von Meyer and receiving his tile of Baron. This I read on a German Wikipedia about my gg.Grandfather Johann Meyer...all this is recorded in the Whitaker Peerage book 1910.

*Dresden was firebombed in 1945, most all records have been destroyed or lost, so how DOES one find this information???

Created 02/20/2010

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