Family Claiming To Be Innocent Loaded With Convicted Criminals

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   lang58posted 13 years ago

   My question is: How far will some criminals go to hide their "true nature"?
   
   I welcome any answers to this very important question.
   
   Someone answer this question please.

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      CASE1WORKERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      you are assumning they actually know what their true nature is?

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         case1worker, are you saying they believe there is nothing wrong with them and they believe they have NOT DONE  anything wrong?

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            donotfearposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
            No, that's not what she's saying....I don't get that from her post. She's answering a question with a question here in the light that the criminals actually don't even know their own nature. It's a 'norm' for them. So how can they even know what their true nature is?

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks, donotfear. I get that.

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               donotfear: I realized she answered my question with a question and her question carried an answer. I mearly would have liked her to verify it. But, no matter, her answer is still present.
               
               donotfear: your answer seems to agree with mine.  Its all in the wording.

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                  donotfearposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  
                  Right on....

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            CASE1WORKERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            sorry, i was off dealing with the children.
            
            In my experience it is often the case that criminals do not have the same sensse of judgement as the normal person. For example i think that you would agree with me that theft is unacceptable, whatever the reason. There are families where this is the "norm"- it is only through educating the younger generations of these families that we are able to break this cycle.

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Case1Worker:  I do agree that positive education provided to the Younger Generations of these criminal families could break the abuse and criminal cycles.
               
               Positive education provided by the right people being KEY.
               
               Thank you for returning. Hope your children are doing fine.

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      fresnaveeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Convicted criminals" implies that they committed a crime, were convicted of it and then paid their debt to society. The word "loaded" implies that a majority of the family has criminals in it.
      
      I've known a family like this that eventually went off to start a company in the house remodeling business that ended up getting in trouble for stealing from houses. Who would have thought?
      
      Anyway, the main thing I want to say about this is that human nature constantly changes (or sometimes doesn't). It's all much, much too easy for a person convicted of a crime to be living right besides you for 15 years and not even know about their crimes.

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         In this case, much of the family does have criminal records. Right down to the cousins. The crimes are on going as recently as last summer.
         When you said its too easy for a convicted criminal to live right beside you for many years and you wouldn't have guessed it... I call that a PRO CRIMINAL with a deep dark side that is well hidden!  The other thing you said about the criminal family and them stealing from houses.... I call that a REPEAT OFFENDER.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Lang, I think your question is filled with ambiguity to say the least.
      
      The generalization of "criminals" is where you go astray. Not all criminals hide their "true" nature. Secondly, not all criminals hide their past actions, because they have accepted that it has happened and the circumstances for each is different.
      
      However, even with that said, some criminals, like killers or serial rapists, and the such, will do whatever is within their power to keep what they do hidden, so as to abstain from being found out.
      
      Not all criminals are dangerous, some are just ignorant.

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Cagsil:  You failed to read my room question. Please read it again. My question is:  How far will SOME criminals go to hide their true nature?  Cagsil... all criminals hide their "true nature" even if only for a moment in TIME.  Think about it, if they didn't... they wouldn't be able to get away with their crime in the first place!  I disagree with you... all criminals are dangerous.  Have a nice day cagsil

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            lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My question said "Some"  criminals.  NOT all criminals, Cagsil.     again, have a nice day!

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hey Lang, not to be a pain in the arse, but ignorance is bliss.
      
      I answered your question and then you proceed to tell me that I failed to read it. However, I still answered the question, even the way you presented.
      
      "think about it, if they didn't....they wouldn't be able to get away with their crime in the first place!"
      
      Boy, you need to learn how to talk. If a person is a criminal, then they GOT CAUGHT, otherwise you would not know they were criminals.
      
      YOU make the distinction that ALL criminals are dangerous. When in fact- the REAL truth of the matter is not all criminals are dangerous. Some people are criminals because they do not know any better or do not see a path to go down without becoming one.
      
      Criminals are not good, but not every criminal is dangerous. Your negative view is what makes you dangerous, more so than those criminals who actually do not hurt(physically) anyone.
      
      So, you think about that.
      
      As for the TOPIC you choose to use- Family claiming to be innocent loaded with convicted criminals.
      
      This singular statement is foolish. A family claiming to be innocent, but has a bunch of criminals is obvious not innocent.
      
      If you happen to encounter a family claiming such innocence, then I would suggest you stay away from the family and not bother with them. This would be a no-brainer.

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         susanlangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Cagsil... you continue to prove my point. Again you failed to deal with the concern I have regarding your reckless mistake when you MISREAD Mark's topic question. For the last time, fess up Cagsil.  His question was "Some Criminals"  Not "ALL Criminals"  As you accused him.
         
         Further more..  if he believes all criminals hide their true nature, even if for only a few seconds, so as they can complete their crime, Mark has a right to believe that and it has nothing to do with your misreading Mark's question as to 'SOME CRIMINALS"  Not ALL, as you accused him of in your response.
         Maybe you have a hard time fessing up to your Mistakes Cagsil!

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         susanlangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Cagsil   once again you have no clue what the concept of Mark's thoughts are and yet... you pretend to know what he's thinking?  WOW... your an unreal trip!  I will not respond to anymore of your bs. It's pointless to do so! 

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   Rafiniposted 13 years ago

   It just so happens my ex-family is (imho) a drug addicted criminal minded family. 
   
   This family is manipulative, deceitful, liars, controlling.  What matters most to them is appearances.  As long as they appear to be happy, they are happy.  As long as they appear to be law abiding citizens, they are law abiding citizens.  They live in denial.
   
   6 members of this family have been arrested for a variety of crimes (armed robbery, drugs, drunk driving, forgery, prostitution activity)  and 2 have spent time in prison more than once.  1 member of this family set up a 'drug deal' gone bad (someone was murdered that night) and then turned witness for the prosecution.  This family member ended up being murdered, while her young child slept on her lap, by the child's father who had recently been released from prison and was on a monitoring bracelet.  The family immediately called the newspaper to request a reporter for a story on her - the family told me it was for 'damage control'.
   
   They are experts in talking their way out of minor issues until the issues pile up (such as 10 tickets for driving without a valid license).  This family is also very adept at shifting the blame away from themselves and onto unsuspecting & innocent yet unwilling participants. (wonder why I divorced? )
   
   
   I cant agree that criminal families don't know what they're doing.  Not at all.

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      lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Rafini: You just described criminal families with superb detail.
      
      That is an eye opener!
      
      Well done!
      
      Thank you,
      
      Mark

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         Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         yeah.,.,,,being married into this family was an eye opener!  lol  it taught me to get to know people first....of course I didn't learn that lesson soon enough, even after the divorce.

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            lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Rafini: 
            
            Don't be so hard on yourself...life is always teaching us day by day. I'm glad you made it out alive!
            
            One family I know has criminals x 3, even some of the older cousins have police records. So again, I'm glad you made it out alive, your blessed.

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               Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               lol   my point is... I think this is one of my issues to deal with in this life.  lol
               Getting to know people is a social activity and I'm not a social person.
               What I can do is absorb the projections thrown at me and become confused to the point I ignore them and then get myself involved with people I'd rather not know.
               I'm learning now....write a character sketch and decide - do I really want to know this person?  lol

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   MikeNVposted 13 years ago

   Where is the rest of the story?
   
   I suppose one could make an assumption that if there is one criminal in a family then the entire family is criminals? But it would be untrue.
   
   So again what is the basis of the post?

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      psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I agree.  I feel like I am being asked to insult people without even knowing who they are and what they did.  Weird.

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

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            Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Whooaa.  Personal attacks such as this aren't a welcome feature.  Psycheskinner and MikeNV were just posting thoughts on a public forum.

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Rafini, I'm shocked that you would back peddle. You know the forum Rules. Rule number #1: Stay on topic. Rule#2 If the forum topic is in the form of a question, and you come into the forum, you should answer the forum question. This room is not for spammers and spinners who want nothing more then to derail the forum topic question. So please, anyone comming in stay on topic as that is the hub rules. If you dont want to answer the topic question then please leave and go somewhere else. You can always create your own forum somewhere else!  Thank you.

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                  psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Implying that you need to clarify the question is not against the forum rules.  But your reaction, which you or someone else felt the need to delete, suggests to me that I was right in my interpretation.  You just want affirmation, not informed debate.

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                     lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You just want to be an room disruptive!  Please leave. This room has a question you have not answered. This room QUESTION never asked for a debate!  If you want a debate, skinner, then go to a room which is looking for a debate.
                     
                     Im my opinion, your disrespectful comming in here and not willing to answer the room question...but rude as you are... I will say...it's POINTLESS to say anything more to you at this time. So, I will now  tune you out.  Bye...bye!

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                        psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        You have the right to ignore, but you simply don't have the right to ask me to leave.  I am doing nothing wrong is asking what specific events are behind your rather loaded question.  Although you clearer choose not, for some reason, to provide that information.

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            china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Are you getting medical help for your condition ?  You seem more angry than most people get about most things. Complaining here is ok, even welcome on a slow forum day, but personal attacks like the one above will get you switched off I expect.
            
            If you post here you have to expect replies that you don't like - maybe an apology is in order ?

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               china man, you have been reported!  Please leave. Thank you.

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                  china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think it against Hubrules to reply on any forum. If you want to discuss some issue then you can make it clear what you are talking about and then we can discuss it - which is what forum is about.
                  
                  I see you have expanded your original post to explain this is your own family you are talking about.  Did you leave or did they reject you ?

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                     Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     China Man - I think its best to let it be for now....

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                     lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     china man, you are disruptive and abusive, I reported you twice. For the last time, please leave.  For the record, I am not talking about my own family. China man is spinning out of CONTROL. China man must leave. Thank you.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        And those reports led to... nothing, because the only one crossing the line here is....?

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                  psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Um, your not the boss here dude.

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                     susanlangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     His name is Mark. Skinner, not dude. He served our country so people like you can call him names and disrupt his forum question without answering it.
                     After this, I will not be addressing you. Its pointless!  Thank you.

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               lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               China man:  I will ask you that same question.   You will not hurt my feelings if you leave this room and never come back! Bye..bye 

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Pysche:  You may leave also. I wouldn't want you to feel uneasy about being involved in this topic question. So why did you come in here? I will not be upset if you leave! 

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            psycheskinnerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I am staying.

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      lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mike: the basis of the post is for you to simply answer the post question!
      
      If you don't want to...then ask yourself why your here.

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   lang58posted 13 years ago

   Please stay with the forum topic question. If you can not do that.. if you refuse to answer the question then your refusing to stay on topic. That is against the hub rules, so in that case, PLEASE leave. All others, please feel free to answer the forum question. Thank you.

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      Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      you must not come in the forums very often.  people join in the conversation in a variety of ways.  they were just looking for clarification before answering. 

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         china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Don't you think the thread topic is only half a question making it unanswerable?  like one sandwich short of a  picnic ?

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            Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            no, I got it.
            
            My question is: How far will some criminals go to hide their "true nature"?
            
            
            Very answerable.

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            lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            China man :  please leave, you are disruptive and not welcome in this forum I created. Please leave and find your own forum room to disrupt. Thank you.

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Rafini: I know what your sock puppets were doing. Please leave now. You are NO longer on topic. Thank you.

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         lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Rafini:  if you ever understood the meaning of unbiased fairness, it would be a real shock to me!  I'm sure you will use your power to kick me out of the forum room I created, yet again.  Have fun, who ever you are!    Just think...I served the country you live in just so you can go on treating people unfairly on hubpages!   

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   lang58posted 13 years ago

   Rafini said:  It just so happens my ex-family is (imho) a drug addicted criminal minded family. 
   
   This family is manipulative, deceitful, liars, controlling.  What matters most to them is appearances.  As long as they appear to be happy, they are happy.  As long as they appear to be law abiding citizens, they are law abiding citizens.  They live in denial.
   
   6 members of this family have been arrested for a variety of crimes (armed robbery, drugs, drunk driving, forgery, prostitution activity)  and 2 have spent time in prison more than once.  1 member of this family set up a 'drug deal' gone bad (someone was murdered that night) and then turned witness for the prosecution.  This family member ended up being murdered, while her young child slept on her lap, by the child's father who had recently been released from prison and was on a monitoring bracelet.  The family immediately called the newspaper to request a reporter for a story on her - the family told me it was for 'damage control'.
   
   They are experts in talking their way out of minor issues until the issues pile up (such as 10 tickets for driving without a valid license).  This family is also very adept at shifting the blame away from themselves and onto unsuspecting & innocent yet unwilling participants. (wonder why I divorced? )

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   lang58posted 13 years ago

   And I replyed :  Rafini: You just described criminal families with superb detail.
   
   That is an eye opener!
   
   Well done!
   
   Thank you,
   
   Mark

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   lang58posted 13 years ago

   My question is: how far will some criminals go to hide their true nature? Please answer the question. Thank you.

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   susanlangposted 13 years ago

   Hi Mark,
   
   I was not aware you had created this forum topic however, I would like to answer the question this forum topic presents.
   
   My answer is: If nature is wrong, it is nurture's responsibility to take over. Criminals may begin a psychological addiction to criminal activity while young, but just like any other addiction, it can be overcome with the proper care.
   
   It is both the parents' and society's responsibility to provide or provide access to this adequate care, understanding it may require deep mental help. On the other hand, a good natured person can be badly nurtured and turn out criminal.
   
   Even someone who does not show signs of criminal activity while young, if raised with severely wrong, be it via morals, values, abuse, etc, can have nature overridden for the worse.
   
   If such criminal activity is in one's personality, the first step is admitting the problem. I think a serious issue is parents not wanting to realize that their child could have a severe mental disorder. Instead they think simple discipline will stop such activities. Or, they the parents contribute to the criminal mind of the child by abusing the child while growing up.
   
   What they don't realize is that it is just like being addicted to a drug. For some reason, their child's body produces endorphins or other pleasing stimulants as a result of successful criminal activity. As such, the issue at hand must be treated accordingly. Just like it is virtually impossible for a drug addict to come clean and stay clean without accountability, so it is the same with criminal activity. Because of the legal issues of criminal activity, it is actually probably even harder for a criminal addict to seek help than a drug addict.
   
   Again, just like an addiction, the more the addict partakes, the more the addict wants. Thusly small fires lead to full fledged arson and killing small animals leads to serial murder. So do criminals have a choice? Yes. They always have a choice. It just becomes harder and harder to resist the more they give in.

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      lang58posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Susan:  thank you for providing an answer to a very simple question!  Good answer too. 

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   susanlangposted 13 years ago

   Oh...your welcome Mark. I enjoyed answering your question ragarding "Some" criminals.   It was an easy question..thanks for asking it!

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