Will the ACLU Defind Anti-Abortion Groups and Third Party Supporters?

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   BDazzlerposted 15 years ago

   There was much noise from the left when the Bush administration founded the Department of Homeland Security and a lot of concern about "the government" infringing upon free thought ...
   
   Now the left is in power and that massive DHS superweapon is focusing it's guns on "the enemies of the state" on the right ... will they keep silent?
   
   http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first10 … a-members/
   
   Ralph Deeds and I had a very interesting similar discussion ... I noticed that the ACLU defended muslims and anti-war groups from these "fusion centers" but now that the "fusion powered" guns are facing right will the defenders of the first amendment, free speech and free thought, actually defend?
   
   Is the idea of free speech precious enough for reasonable people on the left who are pro-abortion and pro-gun control to join and defend the civil rights of those with whom they disagree?
   
   It will be interesting to see, won't it?

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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         BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I think you said you are a member .... so you seem to have inside info.  Maybe I should have titled the post "should" the ACLU ... If/when they do, it will also be interesting to see what kind of fire they draw from the left.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Although I'm a member, I don't have any "inside information." Anybody who sends them a check for $25 can call themself a member. Here's a link where the ACLU defended a preacher[''s right to protest abortion in a parade in Akron, Ohio.--
            http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/d … ntID=16471
            
            Here's a case where the ACLU defended the rights of abortion protesters--
            http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate … linic5.asp
            
            As I'm sure you know the First Amendment doesn't protect the right to "cry fire in a crowded theater." Likewise I suspect the ACLU would not be likely to side with speech advocating violence against people who perform or have abortions and as I mentioned above would not support the right to physically block the entrance of a clinic. I doubt that verbal threats in person, over the phone or through the mail would be protected by the First Amendment.

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               BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you again Ralph, I'm not even sure I would have defended some of that preeacher in Cleveland's rights. 

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               EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               etc...

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks. Maybe BDazzler will join! She should. Up to now she's a free rider.

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                     BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     She???? Who you talkin' about?

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                     SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Did you find anything from 2001 to today? Some groups can changes over time according to who is  currently in charge and who is currently involved. I haven't heard anything friendly toward the "right" from the ACLU in this new century...but I haven't gone looking either.

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                        EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        I found plenty and I didn't even look that hard.
                        
                        They even defended Cheech Limbaugh not more than a few years ago.

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      RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Please take note of the source highlighted.

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   knolyourselfposted 15 years ago

   "Is the idea of free speech precious enough for reasonable people on the left who are pro-abortion and pro-gun control to join and defend the civil rights of those with whom they disagree?"
   Are not we all suppose to do what's right? If one is right then mustn't everybody else be wrong, and should this wrongness be protected?
   Maybe right is wrong.

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      BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      So, you agree that people who thihnk like me should be put in prison camps ... because I think abortion is wrong and that both the Republicans and the Democrats are corrupt?
      
      You get to decide what's right? Or Obama? And everyone else has to shut up or go to jail?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   I think you are over-estimating the difference between "right" and "left" - seriously - they have a saying here in France:
   
   If elections made any difference - they would not be held.

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      BDazzlerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Evidently you are correct, because the DHS seems to be targeting groups that actually do want to make a difference .

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