What was before the Big Bang? GOD!

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   ytbot1xposted 11 years ago

   Please elaborate, amateur atheists. You have no chop! Go back home to this one

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      Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      

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         ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         

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            Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Gods weren't invented until the post stone age.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               IMHO we don't really know for sure when animism coalesced into deism.

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               C-ing Eyeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I will pray that you receive more wisdom. My prayers are always answered, but not usually right away. This one could be a while, but I hope it is today!

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         A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         +1

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            AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            

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         C-ing Eyeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Smiley face fist fight!

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      Nisha Jacobposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Very interesting Question
      
      Where it happened? How?

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      nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      what was before god and how was it created? sorry bud but not every atheist believes in the big bang so your assumptions also show your ignorance. now go play child.

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         ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You're free to exit. No need to ask for permission, junior.

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         ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Just to help you dispel your ignorance (Atheists aren't empathic, are they?)-
         
         1) If God exists (which many can assert that this is the case), then It must be outside Time and Space. If there is Time, then we have a linear progression of actions, things being created, then coming into existence etc. For God, who created Time, this linear progression doesn't apply. To put it simply, God is infinite.
         
         2) As for the case of ' assumptions' -  you simply have missed the interesting split. Be happy with whatever little you could take.

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            Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            If there is Time, then we have a linear progression of actions, things being created, then coming into existence etc.
            = - =
            "IF" anything is eternal ; I would think that time would have to be linear in at least two directions.
            Not suggesting that it is,    "Just saying"    "Seems like"

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               Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's cool Jeramie. Time expanding in two directions explains a lot of things in a very interesting manner.
               
               Another thought. Could time be expanding at different rates, on either end?

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                  jomineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  How will be the clocks hands when time expands in two directions, moving vertically and horizontally?
                  You know my local time slowed two days before and stopped altogether yesterday, so I have to take it to a time mechanic. Unfortunately for me, the office time didn't slowed, but fortunately my home time too didn't slowed.

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                     Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Clocks aren't time. They measure time by our understanding of it. And the way it affects our lives as we live them.
                     
                     It is just a question, anyway. We can't reinvent the clock until we find a different understanding of time. Maybe what we already see is what we get, and the clock is perfect as it is.

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                        A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        One of things we understand about time is that it actually has no effect on us whatsoever, nada, zilch. However, physical changes within us and our external environment do affect us and as you say, time measures those changes.

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                        jomineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        The clocks do not measure, its hands just move and we are doing the measuring, from our pre-conceived idea(that is, it is the motion of clock arms, we are taking as time).
                        Better clock? just look above(caution: only during morning or evening, never at noon, and should be in an open space), there is the ultimate clock to which we all must adjust the time.

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                           Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           You do realize that nit picking is pointless? Of course we are the ones using the information to calculate time.

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                              AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Do you understand what is time?

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                              jomineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Then how does time expand in two directions?

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                                 Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 I didn't say it did. It's a what if scenario. Which is fun to ponder.

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                  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  sorry I missed this earlier  ...  I can't sit for long   which leads to A.D.D.  When I was younger I called this multi tasking, Now it is feels like senility.   What was I going in there for ???
                  
                  I can't imagine time not having more than one path.   
                  I think that time would have different speeds on each end.   And in many places in between.
                  Time is relative with the speed of light.  as light travels through the universe it does not maintain a constant speed. The speed of light is constant only in a vacume and when unaffected by gravitational forces.   So I would think that "TIME" might be different on different planets with different gravitational forces?    I don't know ???    Jet Lag on a galactic scale ??

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                     A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     That is false, gravity does NOT affect the speed of light, but instead affects the energy, hence the frequency of light. As light approaches a gravity well, it shifts to the blue spectrum as it gains energy and then shifts to the red spectrum upon moving away from the well as it loses energy.

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                        Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Why don't you go and straighten out all those Quantum Physicists
                        
                        I think I hear them calling out for your help.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Why? They already understand that.

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                              C-ing Eyeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              They are guessing.

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                           AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           They don't like a dog for assistance

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                     jomineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Time is what we define, just like a meter is what we define it to be. For us a day is one rotation of earth and a year is one revolution. We assigned a day to be 24hrs for our convenience, it could have been 10 or 20hrs.

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                  C-ing Eyeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  No, it is a one way trip.

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            getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            ...then He got mad, and drowned the whole world, and commanded the death of homosexuals, and people who  work on the sabbath, ...then killed innocent women and children.  Yeah!  Makes perfect sense.
            amen

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               pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               obviously if u live beyond time and space with nothing to do  and then u cause explosion to kill boredom and create thinking beings with intention to have slaves who have nothing to do but praise ur insane ego ...getting mad is natural outcome...what do u think god was born mad or god became mad afterwords?...oh i forgot god was never born...god always existed ...something from nothing is crazy concept for universe but perfectly acceptable for god!!!!!!!!!!

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                  getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess it doesn't matter that god is a raging, angry psychopath...we still have to worship him, and pretend he is a god of love, because, he made a bad place for those who don't believe, and according to ytbot1x, there is scientific proof that he exists.  This is cause to be sad.

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How would one be a professional atheist?

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         AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         This.

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   pisean282311posted 11 years ago

   in programming when we have undefined variable in few languages it is assumed ...in same way ur theory assumed a constant called god....what was before big bang ...answer god....ok...so who created god?...another assumption....none ...god was always there....who said so?...well bible says so...ok....world of assumptions and no proof is what religion is all about...keep going kid ...someday u would find constant called god

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      ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure that there has been a Big Bang?

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         pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         no i dont get hurt from kids...i understand from which view point they come...i have lot of patience for you ...u wuld some day see life for what it is , rather than living in fanatasy of god theme....

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            ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            YOUR first fantasy is the belief in a Big Bang. I am discontinuing the exploration of your other beliefs that you have just mentioned here.

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               pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               your laughing gives me hope...thanks man...i am sure some day you would really come out of fantasies and be real...m glad...

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                  ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You're visibly getting jerks now.

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                     pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     i am at home...dont feel so uncomfortable kid....keep praying to ur imaginary being....may be some day u would see light ...by the way harry potter is better than books u read...

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                        ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        "your laughing gives me hope...thanks man...i am sure some day you would really come out of fantasies and be real...m glad..."

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                        ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Give up junior, you can't hang. Tell the headquarters to give you better training. You are miserable at your job of trolling. A troll should be at least rational.

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   Emile Rposted 11 years ago

   I'm confused. How did you come to that as the only conclusion?

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      ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Read carefully. The answers are there.

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         Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I've read the thread. You still haven't explained why God is the only possible conclusion.
         
         I don't have a problem if God exists, or if he doesn't. I do have a problem with faulty conclusions. If the Big Bang marked the beginning of our universe; it doesn't follow that God exists.

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            ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

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               Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               About your third fantasy is your belief that you know what someone else believes. This is apparently a troll thread. Have fun trolling.

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                  ytbot1xposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Indeed, this thread has attracted a lot of trolls. One of the striking features of these trolls is their lack of common courtesy.

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                     Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Attracted? Replace has attracted a lot of trolls with was started by a troll and you'll have made your first  statement on this thread that has supporting evidence.

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                        AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        What about sustained by trolls?

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                           Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Oddly, most of the people posting do participate in interesting exchanges when the opportunity arises. There have been some fascinating comments made on this thread by people ignoring your troll behavior and pointless questions. And,I don't think I've used the troll word but a couple of times on this site. Most people scream troll when someone disagrees. (which I find to be childish) Rarely does someone fit my definition of a troll. I guess that makes you unique, to a degree.

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                     A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Hmmm... it says you've been banned from Hubpages. Curious.

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                        pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        thats not fair...he was growing up...but i think this kid keeps getting banned and keeps coming back with new user....

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                           psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I think that course of action constitutes not growing up--it is more like having a month long tantrum.

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                              A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Couldn't have worded that better.

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                                 AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Says the Happy Gal LMAO!

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                                    A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Wow, banned a couple hours ago and you're back already.

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                                       AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       How did you come back so early?

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                                       pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       @atm gone again...i confess he has not grown ...i take my words back...

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                              pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              

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   AndReallposted 11 years ago

   This thread has attracted a lot of trolls? Who says?

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Probably one of the few participants who aren't trolls.

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         AndReallposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Does that include you?

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   Jeramiposted 11 years ago

   Imagine a fire cracker going off. All of the actions and elements travel outwardly ; in at least three dimintions  there is a measurable rate in which these elements and actions loose their effects and or speed of travel depending upon the amount of resistence it incounters. Sound will travel farther in one direction than in the other.
   
   Throw a rock into a pond. It too affects its enviroment in every direction (at least three dimentionally) BUT Its forces are in operation for a much longer period of time in only two dimentions.due to the resistance it encounters.
   Now consider the distance between the circles of waves as measurements of time. When you reach the sourse from which the circles originate we then;  and only then see how the third dimention  plays into and affects the other two dimentions.
   
   When we are in a sailboat being pushed by the wave, we do not see the depth of the situation.
   
      It just seems right to me, IF time is a reality in this physical world , it would have to be at least two dimentional?

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      jomineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are right, for time to be a reality, it should have 3 dimensions and location. Two dimensions will make it a reality, as a picture.

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         Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Just had a brain fart.   Thinking out loud kind of thingie.
         What if time IS three dimentional.  It already is what it will ever be ..  an already dun deal.              Time only SEEMS to be expanding or progressing because it is us that is moving or progressing, kinda like an ant walking across a road map.  Time is the road map.
         
         As we march across time, we are creating the artwork, even new roads for others to follow if they choose.  And if they choose, they have an erasor  and so do I.

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