The Story of Love

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   SirDentposted 9 years ago

   Eighteen minutes long but worth a watch and listen.
   
   John 3:16

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      Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Nice story, but I don't see how God needed a sacrifice.

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         SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         It is a long story.  The short version is this.  God loves you so much that He gave the best to die for your sins.  The wages of sin is death.  Jesus took your punishment upon His back so that you might live.

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            Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Why is the wage of sin death? Perhaps God likes us to sacrifice things to show him we love him like a seriously sadistic old man, but we or he made no sacrifice because he is still there. No one in your story lost anything. A sacrifice is when we give up something for someone else. That was not done, nothing was given up.

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               SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               God created man to live forever, (in His image and likeness).  Adam had one commandment.  Do not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  God told him in the day that you do it, you will surely die.  This is the first time death is mentioned in the Bible. 
               
               Man had the ability to go anywhere and do anything.  Nothing harmed him nor did he have any boundaries, except that one commandment.  As soon as Adam ate that fruit, death was pronounced upon all mankind.  The stench of sin would be with men at all times.  For this reason, Jesus took the wages that are due us for our sins, which is death.

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               SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               The man could have saved his beloved and precious son.  He chose not to even knowing that those on the train had no clue as to what was going on.

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                  Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, that story was heart wrenching, but it doesn't parallel to God and Jesus at all.

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                     SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     OK.

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            EncephaloiDeadposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            My punishment? What did I ever do to deserve punishment such that someone else had to die? Obviously, there is some great mistake here.

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               SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               You do know that one day you will die.?  Jesus took the, (your), punishment of death so that you might have life.

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                  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  Not according to the Christian mythology; all that dies is the shell temporarily housing us.  The real "us" continues on for eternity, either burning or in heaven.

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                     SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Revelation mentions the second death.
                     
                     Rev_2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

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                        wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        But does not indicate what is meant by the term; certainly it has no meaning in English unless there are two entities involved.

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                           SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           
                           It is written what is meant by it.
                           
                           Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           It (the second death) is a rather scary concept. Can some souls become so bad, say Hitler… that they slip out of existence even on a spiritual level (somehow) permanently????

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         An omnipotent god does not need a sacrifice (or anything but a figurative snap of it's fingers) to accomplish it's goals.  Either the Christian god has lied to mankind or it's all a made up story.

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      bBereanposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      SirDent,
      I'll give you that it was an artful depiction of that analogy.  Unfortunately I have always disliked it because it paints such a different picture than the gospel.  A train full of innocents being spared from a mistake by a switch-master who allowed his son to be placed in peril, quite by accident and a son wanting to save them, but only exchanging his life for theirs because he slipped...those are but a few of the problems.  The closer you look the more the analogy falls apart, giving a false picture of the gospel message.  We agree on most things but I must part with you on this one. 
      
      Let's stick with this, as here we can agree:
      

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         Rad Manposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         You God needs something to die. Like Sir Dent you are not getting it. You are clearly closer, I'll give you that but you still seem to think God made a sacrifice for us.

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         SirDentposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         You are reading more into it than I did.  The father had the option to save his son or save those on the train.  God could have at any time saved Jesus from the cross but He didn't because it would have meant that no man would be saved.
         
         It's no big deal to disagree on things at times.  We all do it.

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   Cgenaeaposted 9 years ago

   Lovely!
   Had the passengers been informed that they had a choice: Be saved/no... many would have opted to live...
   Faith is the one thing that stands in the way.
   I wonder why God made faith the key. He knows that most of us want to see before we believe... He is not even saying things we "like" as flesh. So many more would believe if he proved himself first. It really makes me ponder what he is thinking behind what i already know, "You must first believe that he is, and will reward you when you seek him."

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