Can Churches Who Treat Women As Inferior Call Themselves Christian?

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   Justin Earickposted 7 years ago

   Can Churches Who Treat Women As Inferior Call Themselves Christian?
   
   From treating women as property and telling wives to be submissive to controlling women's bodies and withholding church leadership positions - why do so many of the Christian faith use scripture as a weapon against women? Especially when Jesus - the religions' namesake - went out of his way to uplift women at every opportunity?
   
   

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   The Old Guardposted 7 years ago

   
   
   Funny how people twist words.
   Submissive - accommodating or obedient.
   You swear on hubpages or abide by the rules? You post nude pictures or are you obedient to the rules?
   If you abide by the rules you're "submissive".
   You work? Your boss tells you to be at work at 8 AM. You arrive at 7:45 so your sure your not late. You are "submitting" yourself to rules. You're submissive
   Women want free abortions - which is fine with me. But then they ask the taxpayers to pay for it. How is it "free" if it has to be paid for? If it has to be paid for, it's not free. Silly twists on words that no one seems to be able to comprehend.
   Americans say they're "free" but in reality there's not one thing you do on a daily basis that does not have the stench of government on it. Food, clothes, water all have government regulations on them - and you "submit" to those.
   All the church is saying is that the women should obey rules, just like they ask men to do. Churches feel the man is the head of the household.
   You ever been in the army? Ever see a private tell a general what to do?
   You work for someone? Who sets the rules? The employee or the boss?
   Someone has to be the leader in any "family". 
   And you know, you can always NOT obey. God also says you have a free will to quit at anytime you don't like the teachings - that's also taught in churches. Wonder why that's never talked about?
   So, your premise for the question is wrong.
   Read the story of Jackie Robinson. He was asked NOT to fight. To obey the owners request JUST to play ball, and NOT fight. And he "submitted" to the request. Did that make him less of a person or a better man?
   Any "great" person submits. Either to a set of habits, a set of self imposed rules or tasks that lead to a dream. Anyone how doesn't 'submit" is probably  living a mediocre life.
   When one "submits" (is obedient ) to "rules" (guidelines") this leads to harmony.
   No different than the laws telling you you can't steal, you can't lie to police during an investigation, etc.
   Don't like the rules of the church, don't go to church.

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      Justin Earickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That's a word salad that says yes, women must submit to men- bc rules. You really believe that your god made women inferior? And why is that? Might it have something to do with a rib?
      You didn't refute my assertion, you simply tried to justify.

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      The Old Guardposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You submit every day, you inferior?
      Seemed a pretty simple interpretation of the word "submit'. Submission does not mean "inferior".  It's not my fault you don't know the meaning of the word you're using..
      Cheers

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Husbands and wives must submit to each other for marriage longevity.

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      The Old Guardposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The problem for you Justin, is you don't want to admit you're as submissive as you see the women in the church being.
      Everyone is submissive, one way or another.
      Not my fault if you lack understanding.
      Cheers

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Justin, If you are not a Christian, how do you know what it takes to be one.  How do you know women are treated as inferior?  I don't feel that at all.

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   tsmogposted 7 years ago

   An answer to your 'Question' is surely yes. Who's to stop them especially in our nation?
   
   The supplemental of the question is a whole different matter offering debate. In that regard I have a difficult time deciding what is meant by 'Many'?
   
   BTW . . . The question is a great direction for a Hub. Anyway . . .
   
   Today many denominations have ordained women ministers and women are within church leadership. Some examples are American Baptist Church, Episcopal Church, Evangelical Lutheran Church, Presbyterian Church, and many more. However, those are protestant. The Catholic Church does not have women as ordained priests. But, women are within leadership positions.
   
   The Bible honors and raises women up as leaders, teachers and prophets? For example there is (OT) Deborah, Miriam, Huldah, and Ruth. Paul (NT) points out Phoebe referring to her position as a Deacon (Teacher / Leader) in the church (Romans 16:1-2). He mentions Junia (Romans 16:7) as an apostle. Anna (NT) was a prophet (Luke 2:36).
   
   There may be ‘debate’ with meaning of Paul’s pastoral letter (Timothy 2:11-15 – role of women) to the Ephesian Church.  Consideration is there is not agreement Paul authored the pastoral letters today. Beginning 200+ years back it is suggested they were written well past his death while some suggest should not be cannon text. There is not disagreement Romans was authored by Paul and Luke by Paul’s companion Luke (Traditional view).
   
   Alas, again, in final analysis it is a matter of personal acceptance, trust, and faith for a belief if a church is a Christian Church regarding the roles of women and what they are.     
   
   ‘Some’ resources:
   Women in the Bible: http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/mutuality-women-leaders
   
   Women Prophets: http://stronginfaith.org/article.php?page=90
   
   Ordained Women: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 … ng-women/v
   
   Debate of Junia (Male/Female & Type of Apostle): https://carm.org/junia-apostle
   
   Debate pastoral letters authorship (Cause – Women’s role in ministry / Question – should they be canonized?):
   
   http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/11Churc … mothy.aspx
   
   https://cognitivediscopants.wordpress.c … s-part-iv/
   
   http://www.bloggingtheologically.com/20 … -epistles/
   
   Who wrote Romans: http://www.christianitytoday.com/histor … omans.html

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      and how does rejection/acception of Paul's letters jive witih
      And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.

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      tsmogposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Good question for someone to explore meanings in Revelation verse possibly? I dun'no . . .

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   dianetrotterposted 7 years ago

   Could you elaborate on control women's bodies and treat women as property?

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      The Old Guardposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, Ms. Diane,
      You'd be an interesting person to interview.
      You've lived through a lot and still maintain your poise and grace.
      If you'd ever be interested in being interviewed, let me know!
      Keep up your good works!
      Cheers

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your kind remarks.  It's encouraging to hear.  Interview sounds interesting.  I've written an article for consideration by Washington Post.  I'm getting it edited right now.

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      The Old Guardposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Diane,
      That's terrific! Hope your article gets approved!
      If you'd like to be interviewed, contact me!
      Cheers

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's easy for non-Christians to criticize Bible because they cherry pick.  BIble must be studied as a whole to learn effectively.  Is the interview for Hubpages?

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