Who is paying these alleged sex victims to come out two or three decades later?

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years ago

   Who is paying these alleged sex victims to come out two or three decades later?
   
   Certainly, there was much incentive and opportunity for these alleged victims to come out during this century and especially during the last presidential election campaign. So, it appears that we are missing something here.
   
   The bigger issue is why people don't care to give any politicians the presumption of innocence. An allegation is about the same as hearsay, or someone's opinion. An unsubstantiated allegation is little more than sabre rattling.
   Why is this not considered Election Influencing? Most of the voters will believe anything they hear&see on TV. That is why it is an influence

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   Aime Fposted 6 years ago

   Plenty of people presume their innocence. That’s why Trump was still elected and why Moore very narrowly lost. The same people who are convinced that Bill Clinton is guilty of the accusations made against him, I’m sure.
   
   An allegation is serious and not an “opinion.” If it’s shown that allegations were false they could be charged with a crime. Are you this quick to dismiss all sexual assault accusations or is it because of the timing of the ones coming out against certain politicians?

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      we are talking about the innocence of the accused and not the accuser. Sexual assaults over 3 decades ago, yes I am suspicious. If these were real assaults, then they should directly for the criminal arrest and not have the media be the court.

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      Aime Fposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There’s a long history of women not being believed or being blamed when they come forward. Add a powerful, older, well-known man into the equation and I imagine it’s terrifying. Especially in the case of Moore where they were only minors.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      34 years, and I question why now. He has been in politics most of that time. An allegation like an arrest is an Opinion. That is why we have a judicial system where the court and a jury decides the verdict of guilty or not guilty on the evidence. Thx

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   PeterStipposted 6 years ago

   If it was not during this election, it would have happened during a different election. There is always an excuse to downplay sexual harassment and rape when powerful men are accused.
   I've seen lot's of #MeToo's on my facebook from my friends and it's great that finally the elephant in the room is named.
   Why now you ask. There can be many reasons. Fear is one, shame another. Fear for losing your job as the accused is your boss. Harassment and rape are deep emotional and traumatic events with scars that run deep. Why now you ask? Because sometimes it takes time to speak up. And it's an incredible brave and good thing women stand up against the men who attacked them.
   Let the judge decided if the accused is guilty or innocent and not the alpha male run media.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Peter
      
      Does that explain decades later and after the presidential campaign is over, these sexual allegations come out? It looks like the objective is to gain political advantage. So, someone must be paying them to come out with these long overdue all

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      PeterStipposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If it was not this campaign, it would be another campaign. There is always a campaign going on. When you state that an allegation towards a politician is political you can never accuse a politician. This is not a reason not to accuse a person.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Peter
      For ex. Moore has been in politics for more than 30 yrs. My point is that we have a legal process and it is not just blurting out allegations to the media. If it is really a crime then prosecute to dispel the presumption of innocence.

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      PeterStipposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I understand your point Brad, but I'm cynical about court. Most of the times the richest side wins. But I believe that in a case of sexual harassment most of the time it's not a made up story. There are to many power abusers. at school, work and pol

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Peter
      Yes, the legal system favors the rich. But, people like Gloria Allred are more than eager to champion these causes and she is powerful enough to even or better the fight.
      
      My pt is that making these belated claims looks political not moral.

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   emgeposted 6 years ago

   I am intrigued by this point raised by you. Some allegations coming out after 30 or 40 years, really, should not be given any credence. Why did they keep quiet for all these decades. Its about time something was done about such old allegations. Maybe just dismiss them, but then they would have served their political purpose. There appears to be a dead end.

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Madan
      My point is that these are just allegations, and they shouldn't pierce the presumption of innocence. The media hypes the allegations, but we have a legal process, and allegations without preferring criminals charges are just opinions.

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