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************Help avoid the YLOD************ ***3 tips for a Cooler and Greener PS3***

Updated on June 27, 2013

Help prevent the YLOD before it has the chance to happen, and prolong the lifespan of your system.

There has been a lot of concern of late about the continued longevity of the original "fat" PS3 models, I thought it would be wise to take some preventative action to make sure my system can run as long as possible. I tested these 3 tips, with the expressed goal of getting the PS3 to run cooler and greener, which hopefully will result with giving better longevity.

You may be familiar with at least one of these tips, but perhaps not all three of them. If you do decide to implement all three of these tips that I present, you should be able to help maximize the lifespan of your PlayStation 3 game system.

ATTENTION!

If you already have the YLOD, these tips will not help.

For other options available to you, please skip down to the section: "What if I already have the YLOD?".

What is the YLOD?

The "Yellow Light of Death" (or YLOD for short) is a condition I found to be caused by a combination of the use of lead-free solder, poor quality thermal paste, and/or overheating.

If you get the YLOD, the PS3 becomes nonfunctional. If you happen to have a disc inside, it will probably be stuck there until you have the system fixed, or have it physically removed.

The YLOD is characterized when the PS3 beeping and flashing lights in this exact sequence: RED to GREEN (1.5 seconds) to YELLOW to BLINKING RED, when you try to turn it on.

This is illustrated in the video below:

What causes the YLOD?

So what causes the YLOD? There are several possible causes, including a faulty power supply and a corrupted hard drive. The most likely cause of this issue are the solder balls underneath the RSX (the GPU, or Graphics Processing Unit) and CELL (the CPU, or Central Processing Unit) chips. This style of fastening the chips to the board is know as BGA, or Ball Grid Array, which is composed of hundreds of tiny balls of solder, which pass information from the chip to the motherboard. These balls are constantly submitted to intense heat due to the chip above them, which is being cooled by a huge heatsink and fan.

The European Union banned the importation of electronics containing lead in 2006, called Restriction of Hazardous Substances Directive (RoHS), which has caused most electronics manufactures to switch to lead free solder in their products, even those sold in the United States. Unfortunately lead free solder has two (theorized) weaknesses. The first is that with repeated, high temperature (higher than what Sony engineers intended) followed by cooling of the console once turned off, the balls begin to lose their elasticity, and eventually crack. This causes an open circuit, and when you try to power the PS3 up again, you get the YLOD. The other theory is that over time, due to the aforementioned high temperatures, the balls begin to grow "tin whiskers" which cause a short with another ball nearby, once again causing the YLOD.

Lead based solders have been in use for over 50 years, and manufacturers are highly familiar with their characteristics. Unfortunately this isn't true for lead-free solders. The PS3 has over a thousand solder connection points beneath its CPU & GPU, and if only one solder point were to crack or fracture, it would result in your PlayStation 3 getting the YLOD.

The PS3 is the first PlayStation system to require an elaborate cooling system, where it needs a heatsink, fan, and thermal paste to cool itself effectively. Unfortunately the thermal paste Sony choose to use when manufacturing the PS3 tends to dry out after a few years of regular use, which can cause the PS3 to overheat. When this happens, it can also cause the aforementioned lead-free solder to fracture, break, or melt; resulting in a YLOD issue.

Although it is rare, a YLOD issue could be caused by a faulty power supply. From what I understand, if you don't hear the system fan spin up when you first turn the PS3 on, then you may have a bad power supply. Also if you find that the green light stays on for less than half a second, that could also indicate a defective power supply. You can easily buy a replacement one from eBay or Amazon.

Most of the time it is the GPU (RSX) chip that gets fractured solder points that leads to the YLOD. The best reason I have heard this happens is that the CPU (CELL) chip has a hole cut underneath it on the motherboard allowing for heat to escape. It is also true that the CPU doesn't have any solder points located directly beneath the actual processor, that could fracture from heat generated by the processor. Both of these conditions isn't true for the GPU. You can see this in the picture below, where both chips have been removed from the board.

You can help protect yourself from the YLOD by enhancing the PS3's ability to cool itself, covered by applying these 3 tips. You can further protect yourself by having your PS3 repaired through "reballing" (where the lead-free solder is replaced by lead solder) under the PS3's GPU, where most YLOD issues typically occur. Since reballing can be an invasive and somewhat expensive repair, you should only have it performed if it is absolutely necessary.

These tips are primarily intended only for the following PS3 system models:

60GB (CECHA)

20GB (CECHB)

60GB (CECHC)

80GB (CECHE)

80GB (CECHE MG)

40GB (CECHG)

If you have a different PS3 model, please see the section "Tips for other PS3 models", toward the bottom of this page.

WARNING

You shouldn't attempt any of these tips if you are uncomfortable with opening up and servicing your own PS3, or if it is still under warranty.

If you are not comfortable doing this, see the section "Have these tips performed for you professionally", toward the bottom of this page.

For those that wish to familiarize themselves with opening up and disassembling their own PS3, you should carefully study the 8-part video series from Fixmyplaystation.com, posted directly below. You can also refer to an excellent illustrated guide by ifixit.com to assist you.

I strongly recommend you first view all these videos in their entirety, so you can familiarize yourself with exactly what you need to do, and what is involved before you start to proceed.

Before you open up your PS3, you need to make sure you are in an environment that doesn't generate static electricity. If you are not properly grounded, you could damage your PS3. You shouldn't work on your PS3 on a carpeted floor, but if you do be sure to wear shoes with thick rubber soles. Wearing an anti-static band when servicing your own PS3 is also a good idea.

NOTE

The following videos depict just the 80GB CECHE model, which is virtually the same inside as in the 60GB CECHA, 20GB CECHB, and the 60GB CECHC PS3.

The 40GB CECHG has a smaller motherboard inside, but is simular enough for you to follow along.

The following video is optional to watch, because I don't recommend either the thermal paste used or the application method depicted here. I am leaving this video basically for completeness of this video series. Please see Bonus Video #1 (directly below) for the recommended application method, and Tip #3 for the recommended thermal paste and pads.

Bonus Video #1

This bonus video is an updated method of the application of thermal paste, which I believe is more efficient and effective than the method shown in the video above. After viewing this video, please read Tip #3 below for additional information regarding the recommended thermal paste.

Bonus Video #2

This bonus video shows the clamp bending technique. This helps ensure a firm contact between the heatsinks and the CELL and RSX processors. Skip the video to the 7 minute (7:00) mark to see this demonstrated, as the fluxing portion isn't relevant to what we are doing.

Before you reassemble the PS3, make sure all of your thermal pads are in place. (See Tip #3)

Tip #1

Replace the PS3 Power Supply with a more Power Efficient version

The standard power supply that comes with the PS3 can run very hot and is a huge source of heat inside the PS3. In my opinion they run so hot it probably would have been wise that Sony made the power supply external, so that the PS3 could cool itself in a more efficient manner.

ZSSR5391A Power Supply
ZSSR5391A Power Supply

Inside the 60GB CECHA, 20GB CECHB, and the 80GB CECHE PS3 systems; it is possible you could have the ZSSR5391A power supply installed. (Picture shown on the right) You can easily identify this power supply from the others because of the large amount of ventallation holes it has all over it.

Of the possible power supplies available to these systems, the ZSSR5319A is the least power efficient during the AC to DC conversion process, and as a result generates a lot of heat. I found it to be extremely hot to the touch, as hot as an iron!

If you happen to find you have the ZSSR5391A power supply model in your PlayStation 3, I highly suggest you exchange it with a more power efficient version as soon as possible.

APS-226 Power Supply
APS-226 Power Supply

If you have one of these affected PS3s, you can substitute the ZSSR5391A power supply with the APS-226 model instead (picture shown on the right). You can identify the APS-226 power supply, because it can have square ventilation holes, although some variants of this power supply have round ventilation holes, but slightly less of them than the ZSSR5391A.

Owners of the 60GB CECHC PS3 model should already have the APS-227 power supply installed. There is no need to change this power supply since it is already fairly efficient. You may want to switch to the APS-226 if you plan to leave the country because it is universally rated, so it can be used anywhere around the world.

Do not use the APS-227 power supply if you live outside a PAL territory (Australia, New Zealand, UK, Ireland, Europe, Middle East, Africa ,Russia, India) as that power supply can only function in those specific regions.

The theory of using a more energy efficient power supply comes from the idea that less heat will result in less "flexing" of the PlayStation 3 motherboard. Flexing could potentially cause damage, and result in having a YLOD issue.

Check out the table below for more technical information regarding the PS3 power supplies:

All these power supplies provide far more power than the PS3 ever needs to function, so you shouldn't be any concern on your part that your console is being under supplied with power.

NOTE: I used to recommend the APS-231 power supply (found in the CECHG model) for the CECHA-CECHE models. While this power supply will work, and generates less heat, I recently found out that this power supply may eventually fail due to the added stress placed on it by the increased power demands of the older PS3 models. Because of this, and for better long-term reliability, I recommend just sticking with the APS-226 power supply. Because this power supply provides the exact same power output as the ZSSR5391A model, it really is the better match for a replacement power supply.

This is the easiest tip to implement, since you don't fully disassemble the PS3, like you need to with the other tips. APS-226 power supplies are available for sale on both eBay and Amazon.

Tip #2

Install the 19-blade PS3 Fan

PS3 15 Blade Fan
PS3 15 Blade Fan

There are two different fans that are compatible with these PS3 systems. First, there is the 15-blade fan.

PS3 19-bladed fan
PS3 19-bladed fan

And there is the 19-blade fan. Apparently PS3 made in Japan during the first few months of its initial release, had 19-blade fan installed standard. When Sony switched PS3 manufacturing over to China, they largely switched over the 15-blade one, although it is still possible to have a 19-blade fan.

It is generally believed that the 19-blade fan moves a larger volume of air per minute (150% more), and tends to be a bit quieter than the 15-blade version.

It has also been speculated that (unlike the 19-blade fan) the 15-blade fan tends to recirculate hot air inside the PlayStation 3, due to its inherent faulty design, shown in the illustration below.

PS3 Fan Flashlight Trick
PS3 Fan Flashlight Trick

While you probably need to replace your fan, you should verify that you need it first. Usually you need to nearly disassemble your entire PS3 to get a look at a the fan, but there is a trick to do it without opening up your PS3. What you need to do is to shine a very bright flashlight into the exhaust port on the back of the PS3, just above the serial number, in a dark room. Since the PS3 case is made of translucent plastic, you should be able to make out the silhouette of at least 1/4 of the blades on the PS3's fan (as shown in the picture on the right).

If you multiply the number by 4, you should be able to estimate how many blades you have. Keep in mind the 19-blade fan has straight fins, where the 15-blade's fins are slightly curved.

Alternatively you can shine a flashlight directly on the surface of the PS3, where that fan is located. Because the PS3 shell is made of translucent plastic, you should be able to see a small area directly inside the PS3, and be able to count the fan blades. I find this method works best with a small and bright LED flashlight, pressed directly on the surface of the PlayStation 3.

While the 19-bladed fan is quieter, it is only by a few decibels. Don't expect your PS3 to be whisper quiet, but you can be sure your PS3 is getting a better airflow than it was before.

Be advised, the following will always cause the PlayStation 3's fan to run at the higher speeds:

* Playing a Blu-Ray movie in high definition.

* Playing a PlayStation 3 game in high definition.

* Playing an upscaled DVD movie in high definition.

* Playing an upscaled PlayStation 2 game in high definition.

* Playing your PS3 in a warm (>70°F/21°C) and humid environment.

Replacing your fan with the 19-blade version will enhance the benefits of the next tip (#3) and should be done together, for a better overall result. Replacement original used PS3 fans can be easily purchased from places like eBay and Amazon. Or if you prefer to buy a brand new PS3 19-blade fan instead, a company called Talismoon may still have some available for sale.

Amazon: Tailsmoon Wisper fan

Tip #3

Replace the Original Thermal Paste and the Thermal Pads

Many people know about this one. With all the early talk of how reliable the PS3 is with estimated defect rates of less than 1%, and the PS3's ability to survive a grueling stress test. Apparently it turns out the PS3's Achilles heal is the thermal paste that Sony uses on the PS3. It is believed that the thermal grease tends to dry out after 2-3 years, and when it does the PS3 may have issues keeping itself cool during normal use. I have also noticed a pattern, where the latest victims of YLOD have nearly all had their systems for about 3 or more years. 

 

NOTE

One big sign that you need to replace your thermal paste ASAP, is if your PS3's system fan goes to the highest speed within 5 minutes after first turning the console on.

Another big sign is if cool air being exhausted from the back of the PS3.

If either of these signs applies to you, this indicates that the thermal paste is no longer properly transferring heat away from the PS3's main processors as it should. As a result your PS3 may overheat, damaging it and potentially causing the YLOD.

Many people have been advocating replacing the original thermal grease with Arctic Silver 5 (AS5), while there is nothing wrong with that, there are many other thermal compounds you should consider. With any silver-based thermal compound there is the potential issue of problems occurring if excess paste were ever to spill onto the motherboard, because of its conductive nature. While AS5 is made not to be conductive, it is still slightly capacitive.

AS5 takes up to 200 hours to fully cure.What this means is that for the first 200 hours of use, you should only play the PS3 for 1-2 hours at a time, giving the unit 10-15 minute breaks between intervals. If you don't have the patience to do this, you could damage your system.

Most other available thermal compounds have little to no curing time.

MX-4
MX-4

I recommend Arctic Cooling MX-4 thermal compound. This is one of the newest carbon-based compounds, the best thermal conductor available in nature, having several times better thermal conductivity as silver.

MX-4 has no cure time, and it costs about the same price as AS5. MX-4 also has 2.4 times the thermal conductivity as Arctic Silver 5 (8.5 W/mk vs. 3.5 W/mk). What I like best about this paste is that it has a durability rating of 8 years, meaning that the performance of this product should not decrease over that period of time.

When the thermal paste is properly applied, the air exhausted from the PS3 will be very warm. This indicates to you that the thermal paste working as it should, and conducting heat away from the system.

Unless you have to, I suggest only replacing the thermal paste once. Because of its 8 year durability rating, a high quality paste like MX-4 should last you until well after the PlayStation 4 is released. If you attempt to reapply thermal paste on a device that already has a good quality paste applied, it can be very difficult to remove the heatsink easily because the paste forms a tight bond between the processors and the heatsink, like glue. You could potentially damage the motherboard from the force required to remove the heatsink. If you want to replace the paste anyway, you may want to first try running the PS3 for at least 30 minutes beforehand. When the PS3 heats up it may soften the paste up, making it easier to pull the heatsink apart.

As far as application of the thermal compound goes, I would suggest that a pea sized amount ~8mm in diameter (I used an engineering stincil to measure this amount) be placed in the center of the PS3's CELL & RSX processors. In this manner the compound will spread out smoothly and evenly, when you reattatch the heatsink back on the motherboard, preventing air pockets from forming in the paste (that can counteract the proper thermal transfer process).

It is not necessary to cover the whole surface when the thermal paste spreads, because most of the heat is concentrated around the core area which is at the center. Therefore the center of the chips are the most important part to target. In the picture below are the CELL (left) and RSX (right) processors with the heatspreaders removed. As you can see in the picture, the actual processors are located in the center, and that is where most of the heat is concentrated.

You can always apply larger amount of MX-4 if you are concerned and want to ensure complete coverage of the processors. If any excess paste happens to spill onto the motherboard, it will be fine since MX-4 is made of totally non-conductive ingredients.

See this video below, for a demonstration on how thermal paste spreads when applied:

You should also consider replace the thermal pads on the PS3 motherboard. Thermal pads help facilitate the transfer of heat away from other key chips on the PS3 motherboard to the heatsink. Apparently your PS3 can also get a YLOD condition if one of these pads fails to work as it is supposed to.

The thermal pads Sony has installed in the PS3 doesn't do a great job in removing heat from the motherboard. There are better quality thermal pads available that are several times more effective. The recommended thermal pads for example (linked below), are rated to be up to five times more effective in transferring heat, and when used in combination with a high quality thermal paste, can help lower the overall temperature of the PS33's motherboard by up to 10-15 degrees.

This thermal pad is sold in a sheet, where you can cut it to the proper size. As shown in the picture above, there is more than enough to cover the chips on a CECHA motherboard.

Even if you decide not to replace your pads right now, make sure you at least have themal pads attached to these areas, before you put your PS3 back together, or it may overheat.

Pictured below are the highlighted areas on the 60GB CECHA PlayStaion 3 motherboard, where the thermal pads need to be placed. If you are working with a different PS3 model, please pay careful attention to where the pads are located when you first open up your system.

PS3 Thermal Pad
PS3 Thermal Pad

The following video demonstrates how to measure out the components of your thermal pad (for the CECHA model), prior to installation:

Just to emphasize, changing both the thermal paste and thermal pads are the most important and effective thing you can do to keep your PS3 from overheating (which may lead to YLOD), much more important than the other tips. Although you have to completely disassemble your PS3 before you can even change your thermal paste and thermal pads, the good news is that the material costs for this tip is usually less expensive than replacing the fan or power supply.

You will get a good indication that your thermal paste/thermal pad installation is working properly when the fan speed goes up and down while you are playing a game, and drops soon after you quit a game. This indicates that heat is being conducted away from the PlayStation 3 in a very efficient and effective manner.

Amazon: High Performance Thermal Pad

How These Tips Stack Up

In order of importance:

1.Thermal paste and thermal pads

2. Fan

3. Power supply

In ease of accomplishment:

1. Power supply

2. Fan

3. Thermal paste and thermal pads

Bonus Tip

Air Flow Modification

This tip modifies the air flow of the PS3, by allowing air to flow directly to the system fan, rather than indirectly through the front vents of the console. This is accomplished through drilling a series of ventilation holes in the system case directly under the system fan. By doing this the PS3 is able to cool itself with a larger volume of air than it normally would. Apparently, the PS3 will overall run 20+ degrees cooler by doing this modification.

In my personal testing of this mod, I have found that my PS3 is able to stay at the lower fan speeds longer, and is able to cool itself down much faster than it normally would. This bonus tip really helps amplify the effects of Tips 2 & 3.

This is an advanced level modification of the PS3, and is only recommended for highly skilled individuals. Fortunately for everyone else, Endless Electronics offers this modification for sale. They call it the X-Flow Fan Modification. You can see a picture of this modification below.

The Following Regards PS3 Models:

40GB (CECHH)

40GB (CECHJ)

80GB (CECHK)

80GB (CECHL)

80GB (CECHM)

160GB (CECHP)

160GB (CECHQ)

PS3 Slim (All Models)

PS3 Super Slim (All Models)

Tips for other PS3 models

Although there can be an alternative power supply you can use (depending on the model), the power and heat savings are so small it isn't worthwhile to replace it, unless it is already faulty. You can refer to this chart to find out which power supply you may need to replace should it prove to be faulty.

If you want to change the fan or thermal paste on PS3 models CECHH-CECHQ, you need to be very careful. The reason is that performing either of these tips requires the heatsink to be removed, which can be quite difficult to reattach on these PS3 models. If it is not re-assembled properly, thermal conduction between the CPU/GPU; the heatsink could be compromised, and you would then be worse off than you were to begin with. I have read many accounts in the PlayStation.com forums, where people have reported that this issue happen to them.

Although it is still very important have the thermal paste and pads replaced on these models, I recommend that you should have a place like Endless Electronics do it for you. This company has the expertise to apply new thermal paste and reattach the heatsinks back on properly.

If you happen to own a PS3 Slim (or PS3 Super Slim), the only thing you may want to think about doing is to change the thermal paste. These PS3 models don't use thermal pads, and changing the fan and power supply is not necessary. To dissasemble this PS3 Slim, please follow this guide. For the PS3 Super Slim, please follow this guide.

Have these tips performed for you professionally

Along with changing the thermal pads and thermal paste, Endless Electronics now sells and installs the APS-226 power supply (Tip #1) and 19-blade fan (Tip #2), if you just want to have one or two parts replaced individually. If you wish to have all three of these tips done at once (plus the X-Flow Fan Modification), Endless Electronics offers all of this at a discount, with their Component Upgrade Package.

So if you want a professional installation of these tips (all backed up with a warranty), this is the recommended option.

The video below shows what is contained in the Component Upgrade Package in detail.

What if I already have the YLOD?

If you are currently a victim of a YLOD issue, you should consider having your PS3 reballed. Reballing will basically bring your PS3 back to the state it was before it got the YLOD condition.

Performing a reflow of the solder on your PS3 can work and will repair your system in many cases. The problem with reflowing is eventually the YLOD problem will return, because over time the process of the chip heating and cooling will cause the "Lead Free" solder to fail again.

With Reflowing, no new solder is applied and the chip is not removed. The chip is just reheated so that the solder will melt and hopefully reconnect the joints. Be advised that if you attempt a reflow yourself (using DYI guides), you could easily damage your PS3 if you perform it incorrectly. This would make it harder to fix your PS3 through reballing, if you choose that later.

With Reballing, all the old solder is removed. The chip and the motherboard is then cleaned and brand new "Leaded" solder is later applied. Using Leaded solder makes this repair stronger than the original lead free solder, and your system should last for a very long time.

Although sending your PS3 back to Sony will fix your YLOD problems, chances are they will come back again. Here's why, Sony still uses "Lead Free" solder. If you have a PS3 Fat model, you will get back a PS3 Fat model using the same solder that can crack once again. The only way to solve this problem is to have your PS3 chips re-balled using "Leaded" solder. Leaded solder is far superior in strength and will never crack or melt under the CPU's temp. I have read many accounts of people's refurbished systems breaking down soon after the 90 day warranty on these systems has expired. Sony typically charges $100-$150 for an out of warranty repair.

Endless Electronics also performs reball repairs on the PS3. They are registered with the BBB and have high customer satisfaction. Not only are their prices very reasonable, but they also offer a YLOD lifetime warranty option, so if your system ever gets the YLOD again they will fix it again for free. (Note: To take advantage of the YLOD Lifetime Warranty option, you have to have not ever opened up your PS3 before, and the original Sony warranty seal must still be intact). No other company that I know of offers this kind of guarantee on reball repair.

Endless Electronics is also the only repair company that I know of that will repair and offer a warranty (if they are able to repair it) on consoles that have been opened and/or have had a previous repair attempt made. Most repair companies will either not repair a system with the warranty seal broken, or not offer any kind of substantial warranty on their repairs.

Although Endless Electronics is a USA based company, they now accept international orders. For more information, please click on this link.

Conclusion

With these 3 tips, I believe you can make your PS3 run and cool better than it has before, and you can assure yourself that you have taken all the steps you could to keep your system operating properly for a long time. Of course these tips are going to be most effective to those whom never had their PS3 repaired due to experiencing a motherboard based YLOD issue.

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      Tregster 5 years ago

      Hi there. I'm not sure if you check this, but I have a question. My PS3 fan hits the highest speed after about 12 minutes of playing in HD. The air coming out is still warm though. Should I worry about reapplying the thermal paste just yet? Thanks

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      Tregster 5 years ago

      @Tregster: Oh, and I have it sit in an open area when playing, so it has plenty of room to breathe.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      Your situation is normal when you operate a PS3 in HD. However I still recommend you change out the original thermal paste ASAP, so you will be better protected from any YLOD condition.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @TeamDealStartsH: Actually this lens focuses on the fat PS3 models. I still do recommend that you change the thermal paste on any PS3 with a higher quality paste as soon as the warranty expires...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Is it a good idea to replace the three things at the same time? I'm planning to buy the fan , the power supply and the IC 7. oh just 2 more questions, i've seen this on several videos and images, but i'm still not sure, What's the best way to clean/remove the old thermal paste? and how often should I clean and replace thermal paste?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It is best to replace these three things at the same time, so you won't have to open up your PS3 multiple times. But if you don't want to do everything at once, I highly suggest you replace the fan and the thermal paste togeather, since you have to completely disassemble the PS3 to do both. You could easily replace the power supply later.

      The best way to clean off the thermal paste is with some rubbing alcohol. You only need to replace the thermal paste once, since IC7 is a good quality paste and should last the life of your PS3...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron, I want to ask you something about IC7 Diamond, ok I just read this "If you decide to use IC7, the pea application method is the only one suggested for to you to perform. IC7 thermal paste is so thick that it can't be manually spread by yourself in an even and consistent manner, and you would only be wasting the product if you attempt to do so."

      Ok I watched that video and I got kinda confussed, what if it doesn't spread the whole square (the processor )??? I'm asking this because I saw that when he used that piece of glass well he didn't cover the whole processor because he only made a circle and other things that didn't spread the whole square, is that ok? or how exactly should i spread the whole processor?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If it doesn't spread over the entire processor it is OK because the actual processor is in the center of the chip, and that is where the heat is concentrated. If you are overly concerned about coverage just put a very large dab of IC7 in the middle of the chip to ensure proper coverage.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: thank you very much.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello. First of all I wanna thank you for this very useful information. I have a question regarding the electric input. I bought a cecha01. The matter is that this model is for North America, but where I live (in south America) the electricity we use is 220v. I´ve always used it with a step down transformer. Can I use the PS3 without it? Thank very much again!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Also, I want to ask you if there is a way to know which fan my PS· has without opening it. I tried with the light, but I can't see it well. It´s a cecha01, made in China, on Decembre 2006. Thank you!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: There isn't a way that I know of without opening up your PS3. I would suggest you might want to use a stronger flashlight and a darker room to improve your results.

      Look at the pictures I posted of the fans above, the 19 blade has straight fins and the 15 blade fins are slightly curved. Hopefully you will be able to make out at least that attribute...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, your PS3 model is equipped with a universal power supply that is rated to 240V...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a 160gb cechp01 ps3 with an aps -240 power supply is this one that should be changed. I have blinking red light and I get a click noise from power supply but I am told that is just something on MB shorting causing it to shut power down. I f this unit is ok still is it one that runs too hot?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The power supply does not need to be replaced with a different model, you have the best one for your model.

      Your PS3 may be overheating, and should have the thermal paste replaced.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: when you say replace the thermal paste you can't just replace it you have to do a reflow right?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey What's up Aaron?

      Don't you know any videos where someone teach you how to replace and clean the fan and how to replace the power supply? These videos only explain how to disassemble the PS3 and replace the thermal paste but they don't explain how to replace the two other things.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you don't have the YLOD, you can just replace the thermal paste. If you have the YLOD you should have a reball done, not a reflow...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I just suggest you follow along with the videos, but just skip some steps. To replace the power supply follow along in the second video, but you don't need to remove the BD drive or power switch. To clean the fan follow along with the thrid video but don't remove the four screws in the center that hold the heatsink to the motherboard.

      If you haven't replaced your thermal paste, that is the most important thing you could do, and it would be best if you did all three things at once to save time...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I just ordered the fan so this why i'm asking how i'm going to replace the fan, I did understand how to do it with the power supply, but as for the fan i'm not pretty sure.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron,

      I just got my PS3 back from Sony 60GB I believe the GPU was dying I was getting spikes coming out of people. Anyway I have about two months left with their warranty my question to you is after the two months are up should I go ahead and replace all 3 items or just replace the fan and power supply. Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The number one thing to address is the thermal paste, since that is the reason IMO these PS3 are failing. Since you have to completely dismantle the PS3 to change the thermal paste (and to get to the fan) you might as well replace the fan at the same time.

      While I suggest you replace all three items at once, you can do the power supply at a different time since it can be replaced without completely taking apart the PS3...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: That's exactly what I was going to ask:

      Aaron how exactly do you install the 19 fan? Don't you have a video or something?

      BTW: I want to ask you something about the IC Diamond 7: I received yesterday but now i'm waiting to receive the fan too, ok the Application of ID Diamond says this: -Heating the tube in a cup of hot water for 5 minutes will make it easier to apply". Do you recommend this process of heating the tube before applying to the chips?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The fan is very easy to replace, it has a power cable to connect to the motherboard, and mounts to the heatsink with 3 screws. You can see this at about the 5 min. mark in the thrid video.

      You can also see this ifixit's guide here (steps 28 & 29): http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation-3-Teard...

      Yes you should heat up the IC7 in a cup of hot water. Make sure you put the tube in a zip lock bag first so it doesn't get wet. This will make the application much easier when the paste is warm.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok thank you so much

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey what's up Aaron?

      I wanna ask you something about the IC Diamond, ok I already have this thermal paste, but i have a question:

      is this method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eytRmdhl4oc the same as what you say in this guide??? "As far as application of the thermal compound goes, I would suggest that a pea sized amount ~8mm in diameter (I used an engineering stincil to measure this amount) be placed in the center of the PS3's CELL & RSX processors. In this manner the compound will spread out smoothly and evenly, when you reattatch the heatsink back on the motherboard, preventing air pockets from forming in the paste (that can counteract the thermal transfer process)."

      Just want to be sure because I'm going to replace the fan too. Sorry if the question is kinda stupid i'm still learning this language so I may have doubts,

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks for showing me that video, it helps validate what I am saying.

      Yes the technique is similar. But even though I know that the processor is in the middle of the chip, I just feel better if as much of the chip as possible is covered with paste. I first tested with the recommended amount 5mm and found it covered about 70%-75% of the chips. So I went up to 8mm ensure better coverage.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: ok thanks Aaron. I forgot to ask you something else: Is it possible to practice with IC7 like he's saying in the video?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You could, but like what is said in the video if you put on too much it will be difficult to remove the heatsink. That is why I recommend a 8mm amount of IC7 because I already determined that is enough to cover most of the surface of the chips...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank for the info.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron:

      I have a PS3 Fat 80gb CECHE01 (Metal Gear Solid 4 Edition) , Is it a good idea to change its power supply for APS-231? Are you these systems have the ZSSR5391A?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Also Are you completely sure I won't have anny issues if I use a APS-231? I mean compatibily?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: These systems could have the ZSSR5391A or the APS-226. For your system I think it is more likely it has the APS-226, but the only way to know it to open it up and check it for yourself.

      The only folks that have reported a problem to me with the APS-231 power supply is 20GB PS3 owners and 60GB PS3s made in 2006. I have not gotten any problem reports back from systems like yours, they all report it works great.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Do you happen to know any places or rather stores that could do all 3steps for me I'm not very good at doing any of this and I don't want to take the chance of messing anything up

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You could try emailing Gophermods about this. If you pay to have them change your thermal paste, and send them your replacement fan and power supply, I'm sure they would install it for you.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank You

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      All the APS-226 power supplies I'm seeing on eBay are also listed as "ZSSR5391A" Are these the more power efficient models? I'm afraid to purchase one for my 20GB, and then it end up being the exact same power supply I already have.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Don't buy from the auction that lists both the APS-226 & ZSSR5391A since you don't know 100% what you are going to get.

      I have updated this page to include eBay auctions just for the APS-226. APS-226 have square holes, and the ZSSR5319A has round holes and lots of them.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron.

      I have a question: How long do I have to wait to turn on my PS3 after applying IC7 Thermal Paste?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You can start using your PS3 immediately after applying IC7...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Endless Electronics LLC also now does thermal paste application. I am sure that they would install a fan and power supply for you if you ask...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: in testing the 4 leads out of the power supply I get 4.83 // 0 // 0 // 5.52

      does this sound ok or could this power supply be bad?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron.

      I can't happen to find any IC7 in my country (Switzerland). If you have some spare, can you send me some? I could pay the shipping cost via PayPal or Moneybookers.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you can't find IC7 where you are, practically any thermal paste you can find will do fine.

      I think this eBay listing will ship IC7 to Switzerland:

      http://cgi.ebay.ch/IC-Diamond-7-Carat-Pasta-termoc...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron.

      I just want to know which thermal paste you think is the best: IC Diamond 7, IC Diamond 24 or Arctic Silver 5? Thank you very much!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank you very much for your quick reply.

      That ebay offer is not practical for me since they charge 25 eur = 35 usd for the shipping.

      I ordered IC7 from a German webstore.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IC Diamond 7 & IC Diamond 24 are exactly the same product, IC Diamond 24 is just had more product in a bigger tube. The amount in IC Diamond 7 is more than enough to service your PS3. I like the IC Diamond product more than Arctic Silver 5 because it cures faster and transfers heat better.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron, I got a PS3 of 40 Gb CECHH11 and I changed the 15-blade fan, for a 19-blade fan from a 60 GB model. And I used the "Manhattan Thermal Grease, because it's too hard find the AS5 or the IC7 here on Mexico. The main point of my question, after some time (Approx 30 min - 1 Hour) the fan of my system works at top speed, Why does this my system ? I should change the thermal paste? What You recommend to me to do?? Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Is the room your PS3 is in warm? By warm is it over 25C? If so your PS3 is probably acting normally since the resulting fan speed is partially based on the room temperature...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron. I am from Italy and I own a PS3 60Gb CECHC03 with an issue. This winter the fan used to ramp up quite soon but no warning message came on. Now the temperature in the room is around 27C and I receive the warning saying that the syste has become hot. I have replaced the compound with an IC7 from Antec (8mm bubble) after cleaning everything up. I am running a 15 blade fan but I have lready ordered a 19 blades. The system lasts a little bit more before showing up the message. My PS3 unfortunately is using the ZSSR5391A power supply unit as well. I believe I should not get the message replacing the compound but still I get that message. Has it been introduced in more recent firmware releases? What else can I do? I have no yellow led at all. Never seen it appear.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My initial thought is that your heatsink plates may not be firmly touching the processors. Please review the video above on Arctic Silver application for tips on placing the heatsink on firmly after you apply your thermal paste.

      Also make sure that the thermal pads (those rubber pads that cover some of the processors on the motherboard) have not fallen off, because they are important too for removing heat from the PS3. This weekend I will add information to this lens about thermal pad placement, and possible replacement with a thicker pad.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron, thanks for your reply. I think the heatsinks are attached properly and I pushed them in when placing the block back in place. Then you can screw the back to actually make it stay in place. What about the rubber pads. Yeah, some are missing or not attached properly on other components but the general opinion around here is that they have no influence whatsoever on the general behaviour of the consolle. Would you say that they actually influence the behaviour of the consolle? Where can I find replacements or is there any better solution to rubber pads?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: By the way I have cleaned the consolle better with a compressor (not full power) and it is running in a room with AC (no monitor attached) without turning off which means I suppose it is doing fine for now. It has been on for 2 hours now and I think the compound stabilized as well. Rubber pads can be replaced without actually open the iron cover of the mobo. They can be lifted and put back into place.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Right now the temperature is around 30 º C. In this season (Summer here on Mexico) The thermometer goes above 35 º C. I have my PS3 on Vertical Position and near of my system, I placed a CIrcular Fan of 26 inch.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO your situation is completely normal. If your room temperature is that warm the fan will eventually go to the highest speed, even if you have put on thermal paste. As long as your PS3 is blowing out hot air it should be working fine.

      From what I know the maximum room temperature you should operate the PS3 is about 35C, so keep that in mind...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I recently found out that the thermal pads are important to remove heat away from the motherboard, so it is important to keep those on or have them replaced. Apparently the pads Sony puts down are only .5mm thick and isn't as effective as a 2mm thick pad. I have seen thermal pads for sale on eBay, where they come on a sheet and need to be cut down to size.

      I think if you are going to replace the thermal pads you have to remove the iron cover because they go on both sides of the motherboard.

      See step 9 on this page for the placement of the thermal pads:

      http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/workshop/diy/PS3repai...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron. A few more details. I have been running the consolle without the video cable and it works fine for hours even if the fan is noisy. That room had AC on. Here at my house it keeps showing up the message (video cable is connected). Regarding the thermal pads let me say that the opinions tend to be more like they do not really do much in terms of heat dissipation so I am a bit unsure. Thing is that I am going nuts trying to find out how to cool down this damn system. The air flow coming from the back is not hot, just slightly warmer than the air in the room. Honestly I am sure there must be a way to make it work unless one of the two processors started heating up abnormally but it seems not probable. Please help me sort this out.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Since you are not getting a good result, I suggest you try again with the thermal paste and hopefully you will get a better result. Based on what you have told me, you don't seem to have a tight connection with the heatsink and the motherboard.

      Regarding the thermal pads, they apparently are important to keep the PS3 operating cool. While it is probably not as important as the thermal paste on the CPU & GPU, it is still important to have. Since you mentioned that you may have some missing or not attached properly that very well also might be your problem.

      You can read more about what Endless Electronics says about thermal pads here:

      http://www.endlesselectronics.org/ps3_repair/ps3/a...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron:

      I already have the power supply , fan and thermal past ready for this noon cuz I'm going to disassemble my PS3. But I'd like to know what's your opinion of this "method" I found this googling. So what do you think of doing this?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Here's the link:

      http://ps3fannoise.blogspot.com/

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It certainly doesn't hurt to try this. It might help if you sit you PS3 horizontally. I set my PS3 vertically so, I don't think it benefits that orientation...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey What's up

      Hey Aaron today i did this 3 things ;(Thermal Paste, 19fan and Power Supply) but my ps3 keeps going LOUD after 20 minutes, when I was applying the IC7, I don't know I think i mess it up, it was very thick hard to squeeze, I even had to use my fingers . Must confess I was so scared lol. But I think I'll do it again, well only replace the thermal paste but I want to ask you something, How exactly did you applied IC DIamond, cause too me i was so hard, like i said i made a mess and i had to use my fingers to make it like pea, and i used did the same thing than the video where that guy is pushing with the fan base like the video. I'm getting so worried that I don't want to turn it on till i do it again but with no mistakes.

      Can you please tell me how i can apply it better? I mean it is so thick.

      Also does it have to do with that thing "cure time" that is only 2 hours? Not sure what it means,but after i assembled it I immediately turn it on. was that right? Please Help.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I was reading some thread on Playstation boards and rea that if the thermal paste wasn't applied correctly then it'll start blowing cold air, mine is blowing hot air, also after turning it on within 4 minutes it goes loud but not too much, (not the loudest), after 20 minutes i went really loud that igot scared and turned it off. i'm still talking about the second time i turned it on, i haven't done it again cause i'm worried. those 2 hours (curing time) hadn't happened yet.

      My best friend says i'm exagerating by nothing and i kinda think so, well that's my way of being, my house is always at 80ºF because my parents are so stingy to pay ""TOO MUCH MONEY"" (<<< That's a lie) (accordging to them) to electric company, so i hve to hold on , they keep the AC on high temperatures so it won't turn on, not sure if this has soemthing to do here. what do you think of all this? Help this worried guy please

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds like you applied IC7 correctly, it can be difficult to apply because it is so thick but the important thing is that you apply a mound of it in the center of the chip.

      The "cure time" means the time it takes when the paste starts working the best it can, since it is only 2 hours you can start using your PS3 as soon as you re-assemble your system.

      If it takes 20 minutes for your PS3 to get loud, then it probably is working correctly. The important thing is that hot air is coming out the back of the system. The room temperature your PS3 is in has a big influence on the fan speed. For example, if your room is over 80F/27C the PS3 won't go below the 3rd fan speed.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok I saw you added more information to this page, about these "thermal pads" damn!!! i Should've better done this next week, ok i'm buying them too, i hope this makes the fan go less loud, i haven't turned on since last night and well i turned it on last night at 3 AM and played a PS1 game for 12 minutes and the the fan kick to the loudest, i knew this cause i used my timer and exactly after 12 minutes it was very loud and turned it off, cause again i got so freaking scared, must mention AC was off I only had my ceiling fan on, but window closed so my bedroom's door closed too. forget to mention i switched TV Resoulution from 720p to 480p when i turned it on at 3 am, even playing with 480p the fan kicked that loud. So is that really true that having the display on HD (720p , 1080i and 1080P) makes the fan go loud???

      I'm planning to disassemble it againg and change these pads. Today when I arrive i'm ordering these pads fromb ebay, also i'm gonna test my ps3, i'm going to test it again tonight , i'll set the AC at 70ºF for an hour , and see if my ps3 kicks loud. I don't know why but i'm still thinking that i applied the paste Improperly , but like i said ps3 blows hot air form the back. I'll test it this days while the pads are delivered by usps.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You shouldn't get so concerned about the fan speed, the PS3 processors are going to get very hot regardless of what you do. The only thing you can control is how you dissipate that heat. You can also safely operate the PS3 in rooms up to 95F.

      Higher resolutions make the PS3 work harder than if the PS3 were running in SD. So you will tend to get lower fan speeds when running the PS3 in standard definition, but again a lot has to do with the room temperature.

      I just learned about the thermal pads recently and I thought it was a good idea to include that too, since it can only help with helping the PS3 remove heat.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I really don't know. The power supply you have is supposed to output 12V and 5.5V. You seem to have the 5.5V but not the 12V. So I think it is certainly worth a try to replace your power supply.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Sorry for the long message

      Ok I played with my PS3 today, and set the AC at 73ºF, with 480p display. First I played with a PS2 game , and after 7 minutes of turning it on the fan kicked to the loudest ( Iâve always thought this is normal when playing PS1 and PS2 games,( I think emulation makes the fan go that loud, since I bought my PS3 I noticed that PS3 goes loud when it emulates PS1/PS2). Ok Played for 10 minutes, when quitted the game in XMB the fan went less loud, 19 blade fan isnât really loud like 15 blade fan, but despite this I can notice when the fan is in the loudest. Ok the PS3 was quit after quitting the game and ejected, then I inserted a PS3 game (Silent Hill Homecoming), ok the system was quiet then after 10 minutes went to the loudest, and keep playing for awhile (20 minutes), fan sound was the same, I saved and quitted the game , then the fan once again went quiet, I let the PS3 idle on XMB for 25 minutes the fan was quiet, then I inserted another PS3 game (Uncharted 1) and fan was quiet for 10 minutes again, then the fan kicked to the loudest once again, played a few minutes an quitted the game, and the fan went quiet on XMB once again, so now I started thinking this could be normal after all, like you were saying , also PS3 was blowing hot air from the back all the time I used it, I used like an hour and ten minutes.

      So also let me tell you this whole story of why I decided to make this to my PS3: I used to live in Mexico last year, when I bought my PS3 in 2008 (July 12th 2008) <<< (YEP itâs me the guy who has asked things from Playstation Boards). When I unboxed it I connected the Standard AV Cable to surround sound system. I used to set the volume really loud, so I couldnât notice the fan most of the time, practically the only thing I wanted to do it was play with my PS3. I had an sd TV so the display setting was always 480p. So I continued like this for 2 year, obviously I tried to play when AC was on, ceiling fan on too, and window a little bit opened, so my bedroom in Mexico was cold most of the times. I moved here to The United Stated last year in September, you also notice that in September temperatures arenât as high as in July or August, so because those temperatures I never heard the fan loud till March when heat comes back , I felt my bedroom hot, and thatâs when I started hearing the fan really loud, I didnât have a ceiling fan in this bedroom (Installed one last month), I only could open the window, and sometimes it wasnât cool enough , so I started worrying of the loud fan noise, and I saw this tips a month ago, and decided to make this, now I have a conclusion of all this, my PS3 was working and is working perfectly, the fan noise was normal, in the past I couldnât notice the loud fan because all the things I told you. So now itâs working pretty perfect.

      Played a few minutes ago, and I only use the PS3 browser the fan was loud after 7 minutes of turning it on, but after 20 minutes fan was quiet, also blowing hot air from the back.

      Now Is it a good idea to disassemble it again and paste these new thermal pads? (I haven't bought them yet) Iâm asking because well you said this in the 3rd tip:

      âIf you attempt to reapply thermal paste on a device that already has a good quality paste applied, it can be very difficult to remove the heatsink easily because the paste forms a tight bond between the processors and the heatsink, like glue. You could potentially damage the motherboard from the force required to remove the heatsink.â (I used IC Diamond).

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I only said that to serve as a warning. I once attempted to change the amount of IC7 on my motherboard and found it very difficult to remove the heatsink, and I almost thought I was going to break the motherboard.

      If you watch this video, he gives a tip on removing the motherboard properly if the paste is still fresh:

      http://www.youtube.com/user/fixmyplaystation#p/a/u/0/tAusIpIajNc

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It is up to you if you want to change the pads or not. I added it simply because I just heard about it myself and it would be good info for someone just starting out. Since you have already completed yours, and it is working well, you might want to leave it as it is.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @Tregster: I have tried everything, applying thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5) in different ways, the whole of the processors or just a tiny drop like suggested in the clips, thick layers, thin layers etc.. Doesn't make a difference for me, the fan still taking off after say 5 minutes blowing out cold air, what apparently means there is no good contact between processor and cooling block. I tried even putting a washer underneath the clamps to get more pressure from the cooling blocks on the processors, doesn't make any difference at all. I must say i have used cooling paste loads of times before and never experienced any troubles like this. What else can i do. Do you think the fan is broken somehow? I don't understand how it is possible the fan is going at high speed even though it is blowing out cold air, doesn't make sense, if the temperature is low enough the fan shouldn't kick in.

      Is there a temperature sensor on the motherboards or is it inside the processors or even inside the fan? Thanks.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: From what I understand the temperature sensor in in the processors themselves, and that should be controlling the fan speed. If you can't get a good contact between the processor and the heatsink, you may want to consider taking it to a repair shop.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: The idea of disassemble it again scares me a lot, well not that much , but only for the fact of removing the heatsink ..... The first time when I was gonna apply the IC Diamond I thought was gonna break the motherboard, because it was so hard to remove, so I'd rather send my PS3 to Endless Electronics LLC within a month or later because I want my PS3 to have new thermal pads,that would be better to avoid the YLOD . For now I need to save up some money.

      BTW: Don't you know if Endless Electronics LLC uses IC Diamond thermal paste?? I;ve read on lots of sites, and I definitely agree that IC Diamoind is one of the best thermal pastes, but I'd feel better knowing that they use this paste.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No they don't. They use Ceramique 2, by Arctic Silver. It is still a good paste, but IMO not as good as IC7. I don't know of an PS3 repair place that uses IC7, most tend to use AS5.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey Aaron I'll probably replace all these things on Thursday , I've already watched these videos lots of times just to be ready, now I only need USPS to deliver me the APS-231 Power Supply. But I've seen in some videos and images that some people use a heat gun, What is that for? Is it really necessary?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The heat gun is used to "reflow" the solder under the GPU & CPU when you get the YLOD. This fix is typically not long lasting, which is why I don't recommend it. There is also no guarantee that it will work, especially if you haven't done it before, and you could permanently damage the motherboard if you do don't do it right.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: then this heat weapon is not necessary for me? I don't have YLOD or something like that, my PS3 is 2 years old, and I all want to do is prevent the YLOD.

      Sorry if my Enlglish isn't good, I was raised in France.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You don't need the heat gun, it is only can be of use if you have the YLOD.

      Your English is fine, by the way...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for the information , and also thanks for your kind comment about my English.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron. Hi have just replaced the fan with a 19 blade. So now The count is: Thermal compound replaced with Antec IC7 and fan replaced with a 19 blades. The idea that is coming out also from people working with PS3s is that at some point there is nothing that can be done to save them. In my case if the video (HDMI in my case) is not connected the PS3 can operate without turning off itself. With video connected after a while it just turns itself off. At this point I don't think the thermal pads of the power supplier will really make a difference and won't make it turn off. My belief is that for some reason the GPU becomes hot (the reason is not clear. I have studied as an engineer and a component generates heat when faulty since the very beginning and it doesn't start generating heat while aging). What I do not understand is why the GPU generates so much heat. And if not why it is not properly dissipated. Thermal compound is there. Made a bubble. Did some experiments and the compunds get spread on the center of the processor. Can anyone explain to me why this components produces more and more heat while aging?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ok, more info on top. When no AC is on the consolle shuts down (temperature message) also when the video cable is disconnected. It is getting worse instead of improving.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I give up guys. When the PS3 behaves like this there is no solution. I really hope it fries: If I only could ignore the message and see it fry I would be pleased at this point. There is something wrong with one of the processors. The warning message and pre-emptive shut down must have been introduced in some recent firmware. I am sick of it really. I believe when these problems come up and it turns off, the cheapest solution is to throw the consolle in the garbage and get a new one. I am sad because this 60gb is the only one reading some PS2 games that I still like to play.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My guess is that if the PS3 detects there is no video cable connected, it won't work as hard generating a video signal.

      The GPU gets very hot because of the high speed of the processor and the large size of the chip dye. The larger the dye the more heat it will produce. The combination of this hot running chip and the lead-free solder (which can get fragile over time) apparently can make the PS3 less reliable.

      The temperature sensor is in the GPU itself, and may have gotten damaged, which is why you might keep getting that message.

      At this point your remaining option is to get the GPU replaced and reballed with leaded solder. There is a place in the US that does this, but it probably isn't cost effective for you to ship your console around the world to get this done.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: mmm what could a repairshop do what i can't do myself, could you explain what they be doing?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Basically a repair shop (especially one specilizing in PS3 repair) would be more experienced in fixing your console. Apparently you have overlooked something putting your PS3 back together, since you aren't getting good contact with the thermal paste and it is blowing out cold air...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello, aaronprather!

      I replaced the paste (IC7 Diamond) did it again for better coverage, on the 40GB CECHG01 model. The fan comes on (low hairdryer) whenever I play DVDs or any game. I haven't tested the blue-ray movie mode yet. The system Idles very warm air when idle - and I think it takes up to 2 hours or more (maybe never for the fan to kick in to low hairdryer mode. Also, it takes about up to 40 minutes for the fan to go to whisper mode when it does come on. I don't think this is normal fan behavior. What do you think? I also plan to replace the original fan with the 19-bladed one in a week.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: What you described sounds like normal behavior for the PS3. The PS3 does work harder whenever it is upconverting DVDs or playing Blu-Ray movies. Whenever the PS3 is displaying graphics in HD it will cause the PS3 to work harder, and have higher fan speeds.

      If you were to run your PS3 on a standard definition television, it would likely remain quiet all the time.

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      HowtoStopJOINTP 5 years ago

      Thanks for the very helpful and informative article... ESPECIALLY the videos!!!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey man just wana say thanks your video showing how to apply the thermal paste has been a great help to me. The first time i replaced the paste didn't go down too well, i spread it too thinly with the credit card method so when i turned my PS3 it was making the fan speed up to the fastest speed within 5 minutes. When i opened it up again i could see clearly there was hardly any contact between the heatsinks and the thermal paste.

      So I did some more research and came across your site, used the ic7 thermal paste this time and applied as shown in your video. PS3 now blowing out hot air and running cool and whisper quiet again as before. :-) Thanks Again

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      What's up Aaron.

      I need to know something, Is 3 mm ok for thermal pad? Also I applied thermal paste IC Diamond months ago but I didn't know anything about these thermal pads in that time, is there a way I can dissasemble my PS3 without damaging it like you mention in this guide?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a CECHE01 MG PS3 that has started overheating (was playing a game and it beeped at me, flashed red lights, and shut down). It did start back up, but I was wondering this: are the three cooling measures enough to fix it, or would I be better off getting it reballed to be safe in addition to your three tips?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: A 3mm thick thermal pad is fine, as long as it is thicker than 0.5mm. You can refer to this video on a tip on removing the heatsink if the thermal paste is still fresh.

      http://www.youtube.com/user/fixmyplaystation#p/a/u/0/tAusIpIajNc

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: These tips should help your PS3 release more heat, which should help your problem. I recommend you only get your PS3 reballed if you get the YLOD, the reason being that not all PS3s are fixable by this method. Most are, but not all.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      hi aaron great article :)

      i was just wondering whether you could help me out in regards to the thermal pads. ive checked the UK ebay site and found that these pads are quite pricey.... however i did notice these ones that were a fraction of the price made out of alumimum http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

      do you know whether these will do the job or should i aim at another product and pay the bit extra (if u cud recommend one on the uk ebay site that would be fantastic)

      also should i avoid the double sided adhesive as it will no doubt bond the motherboard to the metal casing? ive got a 19 blade fan so i wasn't planning on.going this deep into the ps3 again...

      thanks

      Rodzki

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: i think ive answered my own question the aluminum pads are 0.16mm thickness not 1.6cm thickness as i originally thought (the joys of working with cm and mm at the same time!!)

      do you happen to know the measurements of the pads i need please for example i noticed that the biggest chip was 30mm x 30mm an there are loads of medium/small and small chips/transistor things which i think are 10mm x 10 mm etc but i don't have access to my ps3 at the moment

      i have a 60gb CECHC03 (launch uk ps3)

      thanks again

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Here is the only listing I could find that was of the appropriate thickness on the UK eBay site:

      http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THERMAL-HEAT-TRANSFER-PA...

      I'm afraid I don't know the dimentions of the pads you need but I think you should have enough if you buy 6 of the 30mm X 30mm pads...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Wow I wished I'd known about you a couple of months ago, you definitely sound like a technically knowledgeable person more so than a lot of blind fanboys. It is very significant to me your mention of the 3 year problem because I am approaching my 3 year usage of my PS3 and just starting to get problems.My problem is this my PS3 keeps crashing/auto-shuts off when I play 'Uncharted 2'( can't even play the second level without this happening) and 'God of War 3'. It double beeps with the flashing red light coming on , Its even happening when I just try to boot up the PS3. I believe its because of the faulty PS3 hardware and bad software/firmware updates. Do you think by doing these mods that it will solve this problem ? Could you please answer these other questions also :

      1. Is it true about the room temperature that you mentioned, because I live in the Caribbean and temperatures soar above this almost daily, so am I already in the red ?

      2. I have the 80 gig CECHE01 model but as I mentioned my PS3 is crashing/auto-shutting off from those games, so would I be safer going with the APS-226 power supply ?

      3. Could I completely cover the processor with a thin layer of thermal paste and then do the pea method ?

      4. Won't cleaning cleaning off excess paste from the processors with rubbing alcohol damage the processors ?

      5. Do you think those external add-on fans are any good especially for me since I live in a tropical climate ?

      6. There are a lot of rumours about the new PS3 models to be released at the end of the year. But what is your take on them, did Sony actually improve the hardware to fix the problems you have listed ?

      It is unfortunate for me since your insightful article that some parts are becoming rare to find example the new whisper fans and thermal pads.

      I thank you in advance for your most helpful replies.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: thank you aaron :)

      i've got back home and took the dimensions of the components that require a thermal pad on them... i don't know whether you want to add it on the picture of the motherboard, as my CECHC03 was almost identical

      Front (Cell processor side)

      Top right chip 3.1cm x 3.1 cm

      Top left chip 2.9 cm x 2.9 cm

      Middle bottom chips (5 in total) 1.2 cm x 1.2cm

      Bottom chips (5 in total) 0.9 cm wide x 1.1 cm tall

      other side of motherboard

      0.3 cm wide x 0.8 cm tall

      i also noticed that there are an extra 5 pads where it has been 'doubled' up on the metal casing that sits on top of the top motherboard, - i'm guessing to make a firm contact between the two pads. might be worth using the remaining cuts of the pad to use on that.

      also there is another 2.5-3cm x 2.5-3cm thermal pad on the metal casing what the blu-ray chip will sit on... may as well replace this too :)

      hope this helps someone in planning out / making the purchase of the pads.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds to me that your power supply might be faulty, if you PS3 shuts off like that. These tips should help your PS3 cool more effiicently, but since you live outside the US, you may want to consider how much buying these things will cost you, since it will probably be considerably more expensive shipping items to the Caribbean. You should only do it IMO if you value the PS2 backward compatiblity aspect of your system, otherwise it might be more worthwhile to you to replace it with a PS3 Slim.

      1. The PS3 is designed to operate in temperatures up to 95F, so keep that in mind when you are using your system.

      2. For you it is probably a safer bet to get the APS-226, since you don't want to deal with long shipping times, or a possible return if it doesn't work out.

      3. You do one or the other. For IC7 you need to do the pea method, since it is not possible to spread it out smoothly. I recommend doing the pea method regardless, because it prevents air bubbles from forming in the compound.

      4. No, rubbing alcohol is safe to use. In the US we have 50% alcohol by volume, I don't recommend you use alcohol that is stronger than that.

      5. No. IMO cooling fans disrupt the airflow the PS3 was designed to have. The fan the PS3 has is good enough to ensure a proper air flow. Putting new thermal paste is the most effective thing you can do to keep the PS3 from overheating.

      6. The new PS3 Slim models has already been released. It is the 3001 model. It actually has a smaller fan (but more blades) than the 2501 model, and the heatsink has been integrated into the metal shield essentially making it bigger. So I think it will cool more effectively. Time will tell if it will be more reliable, but I think it will.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok I saw the video , and read on of the comments there and it says this:

      "I'm currently reapplying the paste as well to the CECHH04. Here's another tip if you don't have an YLOD, and you plan on repasting your PS3: just play a game for 30 minutes so that both the RSX and CELL processors will get warm. When these chips get warm, the thermal paste will become a bit more liquid. It's way easier to remove the motherboard from the heatsinks when you've done this."

      Do you think it's a good idea to dissasemble when the ps3 still hot (I think that would make this easier, wouldn't it?)?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks for providing the dimentions. The 100mm x 200mm sheets sold on eBay are plenty big enough for this task.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: That sounds like it should work. If you try it, let me know how it works for you.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank you for your reply. It is definitely because of the value of the PS2 backward-compatibility and the fact that I may be soon stuck with an expensive US$600 bulky paperweight that I'll want to do this.When my PS2 died I decided to replace it with a PS3 a couple of months after its launch because I had a large PS2 library which I still play to present date, remember there wasn't a lot of PS3 titles at launch.There are again rumours of a backward-compatible version of the new model on the way, you got any facts on this ? I will eventually have to buy a new PS3 but only when the price gets around US $200 or less.About how many sheets of thermal pads do you think I'll need to purchase ?

      Thank you again.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: There will not be another new PS2 BC PS3 model coming. Instead Sony and 3rd parties are porting selected PS2 games to the PS3 format, with games like the God of War and Sly Cooper collections.

      One sheet of the 100mm X 200mm thermal pad is more than enough to replace the thermal pads in your PS3.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First off, let me apologize to you in advance because I am about to ask you a question that you have already answered more than a thousand times and for that I am really sorry...

      My husband's PS3 has decided that it needs naps occasionally. I believe he has experienced what everyone refers to as the Yellow Light Of Death, with the exception that it has not gotten to the extent that some owners have experienced with their own systems (it usually lasts about 30-45 minutes before it's nap time). I am currently in the process of completing my A+ Certification which obviously means I am our in house PC and PS3 repair technician. I completely disassembled his PS3 and came to the conclusion that, yup you guessed it, blown power supply. I am hopeful that a new power supply unit and top notch thermal compound (sorry, the fan will have to wait for now) will be the solution to this problem. Plus, I will finally be able to get him off hands off of my 160Gb PS3 and get him back on his, where he belongs. My question(s) to you are, which of the power supply's should I go with? It happens to be the "oh so special" 60Gb backwards compatible PS3 Model #CECHA01, manufactured in February of 2007 and is just a couple months shy of being a 2006 model. Thanks to you, I have learned that the APS-231 and the APS-226 are the "greener" alternative for the O.E.M installed ZSSR5391A model and that the 2006 manufactured year for this particular model of PS3 just so happens to be very temperamental if you replace the old ZSSR5391A with the new energy efficient APS-231. I know, I know, hubby's PS3 was manufactured in February of 2007 and not in 2006, but is it possible that a two month gap in the time frame might not be sufficient enough? That the APS-231 might not be a the right choice in this situation? He is depending on me to fix his most prized possession. If it ends up being our brand new paper weight I can just store it next the disheveled pile of electronics that use to be his PS3. With all this said, should I just assume that the APS-226 is a far less stressful replacement? Or do you believe that the APS-231 is the one I should go with and I am just being too overly cautious? And don't worry, there's no pressure. He still has my PS3 in the meantime, so I am the only one going through gaming withdrawals.

      P.S. I am going with the IC Diamond 7 compound per your recommendation...its the obvious choice, diamonds are a girls best friend.

      Thanks for all your wonderful advice. Keep up the excellent work!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron,

      I did these 3 tips to my PS3 in June but i have a question and i'm not sure if this is normal. When I play with PS2/PS1 and Downloaded Games, PS3 goes loud but it won't go loud playing with PS3 Games ( only with Uncahrted 2, Heavy Rain , MGS4 and other games, but most games keeps my PS3 quiet) , I've noticed this since I bought my PS3 in 2007, but most times with PS1/PS2 games, is this normal? Does emulation (Emotion Engine / Graphics Synthesize) make PS3 works more?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Aaron -

      Thanks so much for your help - I replaced the 15-blade fan with the 19-blade one - I get a faint "hum" (this is the fan - and I would barely hear it unless I quiet down the entire room).

      I think I got my fan issue (noisy fan) nipped!! Will have to test with games and movies to check.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I also happen to have a Feb 2007 CECH01 PS3, and I haven't had any problems with it. That being said I reach the conclusion that 2006 PS3s aren't fully compatible with the APS-231, with feedback I had gotten in the PlayStation Forums. All the ones that had issues were made in 2006. Although recently someone told me his 2006 PS3 worked fine with the APS-231 power supply, so I guess it isn't universally true but just a guideline. I wish I had a bigger sample to go by, but I only got feedback from about 10 people.

      FYI, in 2007 60GB PS3s were only manufactured from Jan to March.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I have seen the same thing. I believe the resolution upconversion process on your PS2 & PS1 games does make the PS3 work harder. You will probably see the same issue if you watch upconverted DVD on your PS3.

      I don't know which PS3 games you have keep quiet, but they probably don't work the PS3 as much as game like Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, and MGS4 which are optimized for the PS3...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Using the APS-231 will not harm your PS3 in any way. But if you that concerned, I suggest you buy the APS-231 from a source that allows for returns, so if that doesn't work out you can go for the APS-226...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Oh yeah the same thing occurs when watching DVD movies, so then this completely normal?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes that is normal because the PS3 is upconverting the video. If you were to switch the resolution of the PS3 down to 480i, the PS3 wouldn't need to work as hard...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron, I am back because I come up with some news regarding the PS3. I have replaced the missing thermal pads (only one was missing). The problem is defintiely on one of the two processors. I have experimented different ways to apply thermal compounds and some of them make the consolle resist a bit more before turning off. I am not sure that there is a solution to the problem at this point. Either the temperature sensor is not telling the truth and the system turns off, or the temperature goes sky high immediately (I do not have anything to measure it). Unfortunately there is no way to disable the automatic shutdown I think. I have also tried a shim mod with copper in the middle but it doesn't really help, on the opposite, the playstation turns off in 2 minutes.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for your answer.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank you again for your answers.Could you recommend a good UPS to use for the PS3 in conjunction with say the new Playstation TVs, preferbly one with surge protection and if its available on Amazon.com. Thank you again for your reply.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Also where can you find the new PS3 3001 model ? I do most of my shopping on Amazon, but they don't show the model number in the specs and only mention 4th generation (is this it?).The pics they have show the 2501 model.Thanks again for your reply.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I used to use UPS power supplies, but I found that the batteries go bad after a few years, so I don't use them anymore. Just stick with a good surge protector. APC is a good brand.

      I have seen the 3001 in Walmart, Fry's, and Best Buy so far. There isn't a surefire way of guaranteeing that you get a 3001 from Amazon, since the model is fairly new. I would recommend waiting a few months so that Amazon sells out of the old model, or if Sony announces a new bundle (which is likely to happen before the end of the year) that will pretty much guarantee that you will get the new model...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for the reply. I've been hit by quite a few power outages during gameplay and I think it may have damaged my system also. I don't want to repair my PS3 or buy a new one and risk having this happen. I already use a surge protector but I would like to get a recommended UPS from an expert.The battery problem is a known issue but I think its better to use one than to risk damaging the system by sudden power outages. As for buying the new PS3 I guess I'll have to wait until next year and I don't want to buy another expensive bundle. Thanks for your reply.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      question . with the arctic silver or the other compound & replacing a 15 fan to 19 fan in the ps3, if successful in fixing how long does the fix normally last for? Iâm sure with time itâll most likely happen again but wondered with your instructions how long is a typical fix last if after the fix & keeping it taken care of would it last. Also what's the difference between the Arctic/IC7 Diamond, which would you recommend? Final question, My 60gb ps3 is the one i wanted to fix as it had shut off on me while playing modern warfare 2. Is mine considered ylod? after i started to get the beeps I would often be able to get on as far as the xmb, it would freeze then shut off. thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: 1. If done correctly these techniques should extend the life of your console, I don't have an exact timeframe, but I believe it should last until you are ready to upgrade to your next system.

      2. Arctic Silver 5 is a good compound but can be slightly capacitive, so you want to make sure you don't get any on the motherboard. IC7 isn't conductive or capacitve at all so you don't have that issue. This is one reason I like IC7 over AS5.

      3. With a typical YLOD, the PS3 won't even turn on as shown in this video: http://www.youtube.com/user/endlesselectronics1?fe...

      Based on your description you either have an overheating issue or a bad power supply. But since you haven't changed the thermal paste in your system, you should try that first because it can only help your situation.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello There -

      Last time to bug you - should I be Good to go? I've installed the 19-Blade fan recently in my PS3. After about 10 mins, I get a low "hum" (the fan) and a stream of hot air being continuously blown out of my PS3, at a low, moderate level. I've used an IR temp gauge to read temps at 110 - 117.

      My apt. is at 78 degrees fh. Keep in mind that I did replace both fan and paste (i used IC7 Diamond per your suggestion).

      Games, Movies, HD and Blue Ray - I barely hear the hum - unless I pause any media playing - and the stream of hot air is constant, and the fan spead is low/med, with constant warm/hot air being exhausted.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds like you did a good job. Congratulations!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: thanks for the input. Regarding the compound, barring everything else is replaced to help heating issues would the IC7 last in terms of it if heating issues arise again? & would is full wording if I'm going to be looking for this particular compound? thanks again

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I believe IC7 will last, the company that makes it tested it on a system running for 2 years straight, an there was no decrease in its thermal performance.

      I don't quite understand your second question, but if you are asking where you can buy IC7 you can get it online from places like Amazon and eBay.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This is a great guide, Aaron!

      BTW, I like to ask whether I can replace the power supply with external one, since I want to use my old PS3 60G as SACD player, so I want to make it as quiet as possible.

      Also, do you happen to know any passive cooling solution without using any fan?

      Thanks in advance!

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      PlayDuDe 5 years ago

      Hi Aron,

      I have a question about the thermal pads. The motherboard of my PS3 (40 gig) is not the same on the picture of your blog. I hope you can help me, here is the situation =

      http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/220...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: There aren't any products you can buy to make the PS3 power supply external, it would have to be a complete custom modification on your part to get this done.

      There was a kit to make the original 20GB/60GB PS3 use a water cooled system that was completely fanless, but this has not been sold for years.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @PlayDuDe: If you don't have thermal pads already installed in your model PS3, then there should be no need for you to install new ones. For you this step would be completely optional.

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      Tirral 5 years ago

      Great lens Aaron, You must keep your PS3 cool in some way and i like the part about installing uprated cooling fans into the console. But some people wont want to take apart their ps3 to upgrade these parts. for those people who don't want to take their ps3 apart you can always cool your ps3 by using an external ps3 cooling fan.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @Tirral: You could use an external fan, but I don't think they are very effective. It is pretty much guaranteed that the thermal paste will dry up eventually on these older models, and an external fan won't help keep the PS3 cool after that point. Whether you do it yourself or have some else do it for you, changing the thermal paste is a must on these older models...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      OMG!!!! I just read this about what you said about external fans ,didn't know they could dry up the thermal paste. Let me tell you about my situation I replaced, power supply and thermal paste ( I used IC DIamond like you say in this guide) a while ago. But because my bedroom gets so hot, I MEAN REALLY HOT, I have to have at least my ceiling fan on , and if possible AC on. But I also have a 20 inch table fan Facing my PS3 Fat, so the PS3 fan can be quiet, you know not that really loud. The distance of my PS3 and the this table fan is exactly 9 feet. ( I measured it)

      Do you think this could harm my PS3? or even dry up the thermal paste?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry I didn't mean to suggest that an external fan will cause thermal paste to dry up. What I ment to say it is pretty much guaranteed that "original" thermal paste will dry up on these older models. If you want to point a fan at your PS3, that is fine. I don't think the fans that attach directly to the PS3 do much good, in fact I believe they interfere with the PS3's airflow design.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron.

      So if I already have the yellow light then red light flashing....do you think opening and applying IC7 could potentially solve the problem?

      I have 40Gig bought in 2007, combo with Spiderman movie.

      Thanks for your great feedback.

      Mario

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry but you have a YLOD issue, once you have it these tips won't do you any good. Your options are to either have your PS3 reballed or replace your system with a PS3 Slim.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thanks for the quick reply Aaron. Does the Slim model have good history? I would think they heat up due to the size of it? Any comments?

      Thanks,

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The main processors in the PS3 Slim are half the size of the original models and put out less heat, however it will still get warm. IMO the PS3 Slims are more reliable than the older models because the have less parts inside them.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Aaron:

      I have a question. Ok if ship my PS3 to Endless Electronics to be repaired (YLOD) , will I lose all my saved games, downloaded games etc???

      OK 2 Months ago i replaced these 3 things (Power Supply, Fan and used IC Diamond) but don't know how today my PS3 died, it has the YLOD, I'm so sad even more knowing that my PS3 is Backwards Compatible, I feel so angry and depressed, I'm not sure what to do whether buy a new PS3 (they're cheaper now) or ship it to Endless Electronics.

      I read two months ago that a new PS3 Model was going to be released in August, but I knew that it'll have some new features and cons:

      I remember that you were posting on PS Boards about this new PS3, and i have some questions for you:

      Can you tell me what new features and cons this new model has?

      Is this new model in stores now? (I'm asking because of the new PS3 Price Cut, so i'm not sure if new PS3 that are in stores is this new one)

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If Endless Electronics is able to repair your system then you will be able to retain the content on your HD. If not they can give you other options (refund or trade towards a working PS3). If your PS3 is not able to be repaired you will only lose your game saves, since downloaded games and other content you have paid for can be re-downloaded on another PS3 through your PSN account.

      The new PS3 model has already been released. It is the 3001 model. This model basically has the same features as all the other PS3 Slims do. It is not backwards compatible with PS2 games.

      I would suggest you try having Endless Electronics repair your current unit first, if it doesn't work out they would be able to likely provide a working PS3 system to you for less than buying a new one.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok If i get the PS3 having a PS2 this couldn't be a problem, i've read that having component cables will make PS2 games look better like the PS3 does. Is this true?

      I could ship it to be reapaired , back up my saved games if possible,then sell it, and get a Slim. I've read that some say that they've have shipped their PS3 Fat to be repaired , and sooner or later they will get the YLOD again, I don't want this to happen to me. Some say that Slim are less messy than fat, so it's very hard that a slim get YLOD.

      I aslo read this: "YLOD was really common among the 40, 60, and 80 GB fat systems. The slim's have a 45nm cell processor that runs almost 30% cooler than it's predecessors. It is also 45% more energy efficient than the fat boy's too."

      What can you tell me about this? so Is it true that Slims have less chances of getting YLOD?

      I know i'm asking you too much but i'm getting confused.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: made a mistake here: I meant " Ok If i get the PS3 having a PS2 this couldn't be a problem, i've read that having component cables will make PS2 games look better like playing them with the PS3.. Is this true?"

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO PS2 games look best on a CRT standard definition television, if you are using a PS2. If you are using a HDTV, PS2 games look best using the PS3, using a HDMI cable and turning on upscaling and graphics smoothing abilities the PS3 has to enhance the PS2's image on the HDTV.

      People that send their PS3 into Sony for repairs often have their systems break down again soon after. That is why I don't recommend it.

      Endless Electronics addresses this issue directly through the reballing process, making it unlikely that you get the YLOD again. That is why they give you a lifetime YLOD warranty on the repair, because it probably won't happen again. Sony repair services doesn't do reball repairs.

      Because PS3 Slims do inherently run cooler, there is less of a chance you will get a YLOD issue happening with those models.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I'd like to know how I will send my PS3 to Endless Electronics, I sent them a mail but they haven't aswered. Could you tell me how the shipping process is? (Do people send their systems in a box with bubble wrap , or something like that?)

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Endless Electronics mentioned on their Facebook/Twitter page that they have a lot of emails lately that they are answering. So you should get a reply soon.

      To answer your question you should ship your PS3 in a box with at least 2 inches of padding on all sides. If you have a UPS store near you, they can pack it securely for you. Return shipping is included in the fee you pay to Endless Electronics.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok I made a decision, I'm gonna buy the new PS3 Slim, someone wants to buy my Fat when it's completely repaired, but I'm not sure if this new system is only on Amazon, or it also is being sold on Retail Stores like Walmart, Best Buy, Gamestop, etc etc. The problem is that I live in Mexico , and sometimes I come shopping in El Paso, Texas, so I don't know if retail stores are selling it now. Could you please tell me it's already on retail stores? The only thing I know is that this model is 3001 A/B.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes the 3001 models should be at all the major retailers.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Dear aaron i was wondering if it would possibly make it faster loading games and run cooler if i put a solid state drive in the fat ps3

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My understanding is that a SSD would run cooler than a standard hard drive. However, it won't run much faster using it.

      You can read more about it here: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6192258/index.htm...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey What's up Aaron?

      I don't knoe if this is the right place to ask u something I read you wrote on community.us.playstation.com . I don't post there very often.

      I read you were talking about the new PS3 the one this guy (Jesus) mentioned here, I read some things that people say about it, and you wrote this:

      "Someone on NeoGaf found a Japanese technical report stated that Sony wasn't going to do a dye shrink this year, but will probably do a combined CELL/RSX chip next year."

      What would it happen if they combined these two processors?... Just wondering.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Combining the two processors on one chip is really a cost cutting measure for Sony. There could be an performance increase in non-gaming activities such as navigating the XMB, but gameplay should be the same. When Microsoft combined their CPU & GPU onto one chip in the Xbox 360, people noted a performance increase in navigating the Xbox menus as well.

      I had expected Sony to reduce the size of the GPU this year's PS3 model, but they kept it the same as last year's. Only minor tweaks were made in this year's models.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Oh I see

      Thank you so much for the information, I was really interested to know, this sounds extremely good, i really hope this happens the next year.

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      Phylum 5 years ago

      Hey there Aaron

      First of all thank you so much for your diligent research and for not only posting on the PlayStation forums (http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/781243?... but posting here as well, with intimate details of the problem & solutions available. Many thanks for keeping this up to date!

      My first CECHA lasted years before it suddenly tanked. Sony replaced it for ~$200, and 90 days to the day the replacement died! They replaced it again and it died at the end of July about 6 months later. Bummer. So now I've got a fear, due to lack of confidence in Sony, about working with Sony again. If it's a known issue, you would think they would fix it (not band aid solutions) or 'upgrades' for those that care.

      I've reached out to Endless Electronics to see if they can get my box running again. Would be great if they could! But again this would not have been possible without your hard work. I'll let you know how it goes.

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      sakhar 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron.

      Firstly I'd like to thank you for an amazing job making these helpful threads and videos! You've made me take the steps to order my re-flow tools and will be attempting a repair very shortly, I have a few questions and I really appreciate your help :)

      1- As a thermometer, I'm msging ebayers that are selling coocking thermometers and asking them it it would be accurate enough by just placing the probe on the chip and not actually sticking it in the meat.

      They've replied with I should get a magnet thermometer because the probe cooking thermometer wouldn't be accurate.

      As I've read, I need to get the GPU/RSX to about 220C for a successful reflow. I already have a laser thermometer but it isn't accurate at all What do you think I should use to measure temp?

      2- I happen to have another ps3 (ylod) 40Gb but it has a different power supply than the one you mentioned. It's LSEB1226B1. See here for more info http://www.edepot.com/playstation3.html#PS3_Power_...

      Everything looks the same as APS-231 (I'm in Au so 240V) but the compatibility tab, I want to hook this to a CECHE12.

      This is a different problem and I don't think it's a ylod, basically I was playing GT5 for about 3 hrs and the game froze, restarted and about another min it froze again, the time running before it would freeze again kept getting shorter and lines started coming up on the screen and the picture was all distorted.

      I'm thinking its the RSX, Would you confirm that? Also would I have to re-flow RSX and GPU or just the RSX?

      I think I'll be following this guide http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/790201?...

      I hope I see a prompt reply as I will be attempting the repair in the next couple of days.

      Thank you for your great help in advance.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @sakhar: I don't believe a reflow repair will last very long, which I don't recommend them. Understand that before you put in a lot of effort repairing yours.

      If you still want to do a reflow, this is a pretty good guide to follow with illustrations and videos:

      http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Yellow-Light-of-Death-...

      1. The magnetic thermometer sounds to be your best option for measuring an accurate temperature.

      2. The LSEB1226B1 seems to have basically the same specs as the APS-231, but it isn't a universal power supply. Although I haven't seen one before, I think it has the same pin configuration and it should work in the CECHE.

      What you described does sound like a problem with the RSX (GPU). Usually problems with the YLOD have to do with the RSX and not the CELL (CPU).

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Do your homework, the ps3 gpu and cpu have cells under the heatspreader and centre of chip die is not the hotspot.

      Use a thermal camera or take off heatspreaders from chips and see this.

      Complete and even coat of thermal must be used and also lapping of heatpipe contact plates as they are spiral cut and not flat surfaced.

      Chips have ageing related issues too which have been completely missed here.

      Apart from that well done.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I have updated the page to show that the RSX and CELL processors are located beneath the center of their respective heatspreaders, so therefore that is where the heat will be concentrated.

      The pea spread method was verified a the best method for AS5, and is the recommended method for IC7 and MX-4 thermal pastes. If the thermal paste you have chosen recommends that you spread it out, then by all means do that. But it has been shown in many cases that spreading out many thermal compounds introduces air pockets in the compound and is counterproductive.

      I don't know what aging related issues you are referring to, based on my research problems happen in the PS3 because of thermal paste that dries out and lead-free solder that isn't very resilient over time. Older PS3s have YLOD issues only after 2-4 years of use, so I don't believe it has something to do with an aging related issue with the chips themselves.

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      iracer JLo 5 years ago

      Fixing the YLOD by use of a heatgun works great if you currently have a system with a YLOD. I've had to do it to my launch day PS3 a couple of times and it just keeps on tickin'!

      Though, the heat gun process is not for everyone and can really screw up your system if you apply too much heat or apply it for too much time.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @iracer JLo: From what I understand a reflow only works a limited amount of times before you can't do it anymore, and as you said some people run the danger of damaging their system if it isn't done right.

      Reballing is a much more permanent repair, and hopefully it only needs to be performed once...

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      monobroad 5 years ago

      huge props writing this all out, very helpful

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Dear Aaron,

      A huge thank you for sharing these tips with us owners. I have a CECHG01 and have replaced the fan with a 19blade one & the TIM with IC diamond 7. My question is, how do I know if I applied sufficient IC diamond 7 on my motherboard? I applied a "pea sized" amount in the middle of both RSX & GPU, but I thought the pressure applied by the heat sink was insufficient to spread it. I had the PS3 running for about 30 minutes after application so the heat can spread it even more.

      So, is there a method of finding out if this application was successful? I can feel warm air exiting from the back of the PS3 now (mine used to exit warm air before application anyway; I found out that my stock paste was not even dry when I opened it!)

      Best,

      Jay.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: There really is no way of knowing if the spread was successful, unless you do a "trial run". See the video above regarding the proper application of thermal paste, and it describes this process.

      Based on what you said, you probably have already applied the paste correctly.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thanks for the article. However I didn't see any mention of "tinting" the CPU and GPU. Reading the documentation on the Artistic Silver website suggests tinting the surface before applying the dot of thermal grease.

      Do you not recommend this method?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Tinting is more appropriate for a traditional PC CPU & GPU. If you review the bonus video above, you will see that Fixmyplaystation.com contacted Arctic Silver corporation regarding the PS3, and they specifically recommended the heatspread spread method.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for the clarification.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron,

      Many thanks for your reply. I've had it running for about an hour and so far I am not noticing anything unusual. Unfortunately, I do not have any games to try out so that will have to wait. Did I mention that my CECHG01 came with a APS-226 power supply? I might try to replace this with the newer APS-231

      later. I also drilled some ventilation holes on the bottom shell directly below the cooling fan so it has more fresh air.

      Thanks again for your advice, hopefully my 40GB will keep ticking till I buy & finish Ace Combat Assault Horizon!!

      Best,

      Jay.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Great lens! This is what I am talking about... a lens on something no one is aware of. Well at least I was not aware of this issue and I have the large original PS3.

      GOOD JOB!!!

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      tcmliving 5 years ago

      Thanks for the time in putting this together. Unfortunately every time I re-flux and re-solder fix my PS3 it only lasts about 10 minutes.....time to upgrade.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron, what is the place that does reballing/replacing in the US and what is the price approx? I am gonna be there soon and might leave my console for fixing. What is your opinion at this point? I think there are 3 possible causes:

      - The sensor on the GPU is not working properly (solution is to replace the GPU)

      - The GPU is damaged and overheats (solution is to replace the GPU)

      - The console overheats somewhere else but I believe the sensors are located on GPU and CPU so it must be one of the two.

      Is there a possibility that any bad soldering make the chip overheat?

      I have also removed the metal cap from the GPU and applied the thermal paste there (I guess after that u need to put the metal cap back on it) but it made it even worse.

      Any other idea?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Endless Electronics charges $80 for reballing and $20 for a thermal pad replacement. But before that they charge $30 diagnostic fee to evaluate your unit to see if it can be fixed at all. So you are looking at $30 if it can't be fixed, or $110-$130 if they can fix it.

      My understanding is that both CPU & GPU do have sensors in them that detect if it overheats. It may not be possible to replace the GPU since there isn't a huge supply of them a replacement parts.

      If the soldering was bad I don't think the PS3 would turn on at all.

      It is very important to keep the metal cap (heatspreader) on the chips, you are probably not getting a firm contact with the heatsink without it on, which is why it probably got worse.

      If you have any further questions, please make them at the top of this list, so I don't have to search for it. Thanks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Enjoyed the article very much - thanks. I reflowed my YLOD PS3 60gb and it has worked well for 30-35 days. Today, my daughter finished Uncharted 3 and it promptly shut off and blinked red only. After 5 minutes we turned it on again, it ran for about 5 minutes, then shut off and blinked red again ( no yellow light). I'm confused with this behavior. Cooling fan is operating well, not on high- and the only thing I did different since reflowing was to put the PS3 vertical. Any experience with this or advice? Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Based on what you said, I believe your PS3 is overheating. IMO your best bet would be to change the thermal paste and thermal pads like I outlined above, that may fix your problem...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Here's My 2 Cents -

      I have the 40 gig CECHCG Unit. Purchased the original in December 2007. After roughly 6 months, Memorial day weekend, 2008, It Red-Lighted.

      Sony shipped me a replacement in a week. Since then it worked well until the old 15 bladed fan kicked up (this summer) - and I discovered that the thermal paste may not do what it should.

      I cleaned up the heatsinks and processors, replaced the fan with a 19-bladed one, applied IC7 paste and now get a very faint "whine", which is fine with me, since more heat is blown out and my system is almost quiet.

      I have never considered "reflowing". I would rather have my system reballed when the time comes.

      After 3 years and keeping my system dust free and keeping my environment comfortable to me, my system is still running extremely well.

      I love my "Phat" or "fat" system, and it still loves me. Treat you baby well, and your baby will give you awesome gaming experiences to come!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Amazing information here! Thanks for putting all this together.

      My ps3 is a Jan. 2007 60gb cecha01 model that has worked flawlessly since day 1. It has only froze during game play a handful of times, the latest being yesterday while playing Mass Effect 2. After reading this whole article and many others I am now worried about it getting the ylod. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. The fan will usually kick on about 10-15 mins after the system is turned on, and runs on high for any extended game play session (which can get a bit loud). The air coming out is always between warm and hot air. Should I be worried about changing the fan or the psu? Also do you think I need to go ahead and apply new thermal paste and pads? And final question is vertical or horizontal the better position? (I've had mine vertical)

      Thanks again!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO the fan is more important than the PSU, but the thermal paste and thermal pads are the most important thing to address first. While you are changing the paste and the pads you might as well change the fan as well since you have to pretty much disassemble the entire system to get to the fan anyway. The PSU can be done later if you want to, and can be changed out fairly quickly since you don't have to disassemble the entire system to get to it.

      Personally I put my 60GB in the vertical position, because I believe that that rising heat can leave the system faster that way. Years ago someone did thermal imaging, which showed that the horizontal position was cooler. I don't know the real answer, but I know the PS3 was designed to operate in both positions...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi Aaron,i find your whole article very informative,and very suitable for everyone to follow.I too have to deal with a peculiar problem,that i think its heat with my ps3.My ps3 the past 2 weeks started all of a sudden started flickenig image,meaning that the image even during gameplay,stopped shoing for a second or two,then up as if nothing happened(to attest when it happened,it first happened on Battlefield 3 campaign,the thunder run level,the one with the tanks)Other than that it occur at least three times when i started that specific level(also to note i am playing via component 720p)I did managed to finish the game days later,with no interruptions.Then i decided to play in a friends hose.I connectd my ps3 with an hdmi cable,and changed the settings..and while i was in the xmb,all image was lost..I truned it off and on,and then i got to the xmb again and after 30 seconds,the image once again lost.No excessive fan noise,no lights blinking,just that..I did the settengs reset with the holding button,nothing whatsoever...Is this a form of yold as well?I am going to follow your guide,either way just to make it more reliable,and hopefully working once again,but,i wanted your opoinion on the reason why this happens with my ps3?Why no light or fan noise?only blank screen after a while.Any ideas?My ps3 is a fat 40gb cechg04 btw.Thank you in advance

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It isn't the YLOD yet, since you can turn it on, but it may be getting there soon.

      It sounds to me that the solder undernieth the GPU is damaged but not enough to make it not functional. Reballing would be the best method of repair, but it may be better and easier just to buy a new PS3. If you live in the United States, every major retailer is going to be selling the 160GB PS3 with 2 free games for $200, on Black Friday.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron, I replaced my ps3 thermal paste with some AS5 just over a month ago, but want to put MX-4 thermal paste on can I do that? Or would my ps3 break?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thanks for all the info here.

      My question is I have a launch day PS3 and have kept it very clean since day 1. In the last 2 months 2 games Castlevania Lords of Shadow and now Assassin's Creed Revelations will start putting lines on the main charater and then out of objects in the environment in under 20-30 minutes. Uncharted 3 did not do this to me.

      Air flow feels right but it is a bit warmer than I remember. I opened her up last night down to the power supply and Blu-ray drive and cleaned some extra dust out but still got the same effect in Assassin's after 45-60 minutes.

      Is my system dying or fan not working at 100%? Or is it the paste? Many thanks for your advice and help.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes you can. I would advise that you run your PS3 on for a while so the AS5 is warm and easier to remove.

      You should also watch this video:

      (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAusIpIajNc&amp...

      for advice on how to safely remove the motherboard if it still has fresh paste on it. If you have PS3 models CECHA01-CECHG01, you would be pulling up on the hearsink instead of the motherboard...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok thank Aaron, so if I heat up my system for half an hour prior to taking it apart my ps3 heatsink will come off easier? I have a CECHL ps3 also my CPU, or GPU won't break or fall off or something if I replace the paste? I just want to use MX-4 instead of AS5 as it will last longer, and I want to check my ps3 over.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: That is a bit hard to say since you are seeing issue in some games, but not others.

      IMO cleaning out dust just from the areas you cleaned out isn't going to do much good, since the CPU & GPU are on the other side of the motherboard.

      If you haven't already done so, you definitely should consider replacing the thermal paste and thermal pads, that might alleviate the problem you are having.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I had the exact same issue with AC, and then GTA4 would not play.

      I had a launch ps3 as well and when the first AC came out I had a similar issue, but it wasn't until GTA4 came out that it became unplayable. Whatever coding is in the AC series has put my ps3 under some serious pressure, didn't get CV:LoS so I can't speak to that.

      I'd highly recommend the thermal paste, that's what the original fix was for this. (I exchanged my launch ps3 via the GTA4 complaint campaign, for a "refurb" which was essentailly the same ps3 with new thermal paste.)

      Thermal Paste will probably fix it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello Aaron, I have took apart my ps3 and was inspecting the heatsinks, and one of the small metal support thingys came off, will my heatsink work the same still? I'm so worried that I have broken it!

      Image: http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g458/russell66...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't think you have to worry about it. It probably doesn't have any major function other than to provide support, missing one should be OK...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Ok thank you Aaron, so the cooling preformance of my heatsink shouldn't be affected?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, I don't think the cooling performace of your heatsink should be affected.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks Aaron, for your help.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron. Thanks for helping so many people with this guide. I'm wondering if you might advise me further with my own overheating problem. I bought a second hand PS3 about 6 months back which had been fixed/refurbed by the seller. It worked fine for 4 months with light usage. I didn't use it for about 6 weeks and recently when I turned it on, the fan gets loud after a couple of mins and deafening after another couple, even just on the menu. If I try to do anything significant it will shut down within a couple of minutes saying it is overheating. I was convinced I needed new thermal paste, but after following your guide and applying Arctic MX-4 (twice to be sure) there was absolutely no difference. The air the fan blows out is reasonably cool. Is there anything that can just 'go' in terms of failure, as it went from running fine to this from one use to the next (albeit with a 6 week gap).

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: What PS3 model do you have? It sounds like there is not a firm contact between the chips and the heatsink...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for the reply, Aaron. It's a CECHG03. Formerly a 40GB but it's had the hard drive (80GB), blu ray and psu replaced before i bought it. I used the cross method to apply the thermal paste and when I reopened after it failed the first time, the paste had spread to pretty much the whole chip, so I thought that meant there was good pressure between the chip and the heatsink. When I cleaned and reapplied I used less paste (in case I had used too much the first time) but there was no difference. How would a contact issue just suddenly appear though? Is it possible the motherboard has now just failed? Apologies if these questions are naïve, as I know very little about ps3 architechture apart from what I've learned since I opened it up recently.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Actually, I can't see how it should be relevant, but the only other 'difference' between it working and not working was I updated to the newest firmware. I can't remember what firmware I was on (it was probably some version back in the summer) but it's now on the latest. Could that somehow have disagreed with my model and is now causing it to overheat to an unnatural level? I would have thought such a situation would be more commonly reported on the net if that was the case.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Sorry to be spamming your board, but after a bit of research this morning, I saw someone referring to a very similar issue and they said the fix was to replace the thermal paste UNDER the CPU and GPU heatspreaders. This sounds tricky, but do you think it might be the likely resolution? If it is, how would you recommend I go about doing this?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't suggest you remove the heatspreaders, you could easily damage the motherboard that way.

      I suggest you try repasting the chips again, but this time bend the clamps to ensure a firmer contact. This is shown in this video (skip to the 7:00 mark):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRReDIHTe0

      You also may want to try replacing the thermal pads, the pads I recommend are highly effective in cooling the rest of the motherboard. It is possible that some of the original pads may have worn out, or may have fallen off when it had been dissassembled.

      I am not sure why your unit had suddenly overheated, but I don't think it is firmware related. If anything newer firmware is made to have a smaller memory footprint, and should be more efficient.

      Since you stated that the exaust air is not hot, that basically means that somehow a firm contact between the chips and the heatsinks is not being maintained. So I suggest you follow the bonus video I posted above, where you press down on the heatsinks over the chips (with the fan removed) to make sure there is a firm contact, and bend the clamps like I suggested before.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for responding Aaron. I've tried the clamp bending and pressing down on the heatsinks tonight but it made no difference at all. The thermal pads seem to be in place and not noticeably worn, but I appreciate the suggestion that they may be affecting things. While I fully share your concerns and reservations about removing the heatspreaders, the theory behind the suggestion logically makes sense to me. I don't want to link to another discussion on your page, but the poster suggesting it describes a near identical situation claiming he's seen it many times and it's always the paste between the IHS and chip. I don't want to spend much more attempting to fix things myself as I may get nowhere and be better off taking it for repairs or save for a new unit. With the thermal pads 'seemingly ok' do you have any further suggestions that I could reasonably try myself? Again, I appreciate your advice on a situation that is difficult to assess without visual and hands on assessment.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My understanding is that the heatspreader is actually glued on, thermal paste isn't used.

      You can always try what you are suggesting, but I would be concerned with damaging the motherboard in the process.

      Other than what I suggested, I can't think of anything else you can do. The fact that you state that your PS3 isn't expelling hot air suggests to me that your system isn't as tightly put back together as it should be

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: What is the name of the person in this thread that talked about removing the heatspreaders? I don't remember that discussion...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Sorry I didn't see your reply earlier.

      Yes I suggest you leave the PS3 on for half an hour to help make the paste easier to remove, and as long you aren't using excessive force you shouldn't break off anything...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron. I was wondering if there is a difference with the 160 gb ps3 and the 320 gb besides hard drive space and do the slims still have the 5400 rpm hard drive or do they have the 7600rpm?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The 160GB & 320GB Slim PS3s are exactly the same except for the hard drive size. I haven't check the hard drives in these models but it is likely the 5400 rpm model. The PS3s were designed for this rpm speed, and there is very little performace difference if you use the 7600 rpm instead...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron, i have a serious question for you. I have the 80gb ps3 which can play the ps2 games from way back, and just the other day i decided to take it apart can blow it with some air to clean it up a little cause it was getting pretty loud. After i did all that, and put it back together it worked just fine, does everything its supposed to BUT there is one problem. Ever since i did that it keeps telling me there is not a ethernet cable connected when i know there is.. Right before i took it apart the online was working just fine, and now... its not. The light in the back where it plugs up to lights green and everything, it just keeps telling me there is no cable even when the light is lit green.. I hope u might have a clue what's going on.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm afraid I don't know what might be wrong. You could always try a different Ethernet cable and see if that might help...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: It wasn't anyone on this thread. It was a different discussion forum which I didn't want to link to in case it looked like I was trying to promote that board over yours. Am trying to research further to figure out if it's worth the risk. I'm somewhat out of ideas, so it is tempting despite the risks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      hi my ps3 works fine and everything jus after 5minz the fan goes really loud n the ps3 gets a message saying its been hot i turned it off n oned it again works for 5minz den same thing iv done dis for like 5-6times n same thing is occurring could it be the paste dried up or something plzz help

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes you should definitely change the paste (and the thermal pads if you can). The sooner the better.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHgCa3XEPic.

      Fast forward to 7:08. You probably missed a step like so many of us has

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      as im gna change de thermal paste do i hve to follow the ylod way to change it or do i jus change it buy tkin old paste off n putting new plzz reply asap

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't really understand your question. If you have the YLOD, changing the thermal paste won't do you any good because your PS3 is already non-functional. If you don't have the YLOD, I suggest you put a pea-sized (8mm diameter) amount of MX-4 compound in the middle of both the CELL and RSX processors, and put the heatsink back on, as demonstrated in Bonus Video #1 above...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i ment do i have toclean de old thermal paste of den heat the board and den let it cool down den put new thermal paste or do i have to jus clean the old thermal paste nd put new den put de ps3 back 2gther ??? reply asap plzzz

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: OK if you are going to reflow the PS3 motherboard you need to clean off the old thermal paste first, reflow the motherboard and let it cool down, and then put the new thermal paste on before you put it back together.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      shud i reflow it btw i dnt hve ylod or shud i jus clean it offf n put new thermal paste wat wud be better and long lasting for me and not using flux as i do not hve none n want to play ps3 asap sorry for puttin stress on u jus need to be careful before i do it

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't recommend you reflow at all. Reflowing is usually a temporary fix if you have the YLOD, and is really only a cheap fix if you want to transfer data to another PS3. Otherwise don't do it, since your PS3 is working you are likely to do more harm than good. Just follow along the best you can with the videos I posted above...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      thankz for de help last question so i shud jus tke of de old thermal compound n put on de new 1 n put de ps3 back together

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      thankzz mate for your help really appriciate it may god give you long life bless

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      hi iv tried de thermal paste it worked on ma ps3 as ma ps3 no longer gets a message it is hot but the fan still hits really high speed den slows down after 30min of game ply den after 10minz it starts again cud u plz help

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: That sounds like normal behavior to me, the fan will dynamically change speed depending on what the PS3 is doing.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      its been 2-3days de fan is still going de same im gtin a headace of it is there anyway for me to quiten it down

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Does the fan speed up when you are playing a game, and then slow down soon after you quit the game and go back to the XMB? If so, that is normal behavoir for a PS3. The only other thing I can think of is to play your PS3 is a cooler room, specifically in a room below 70F/21C...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      yh thts wat ma ps3 does but wud i gt ylod like tht ?? im worried dnt want ylod

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No, that is perfectly normal behavior. The PS3 will get hotter playing games/ watching upscaled DVDs/Blu-Rays, than if you aren't playing anything. So the fan will run faster to keep it cool. You should only get concerned if the fan goes to the fastest speed within 5 minutes of turning it on and you aren't running a game.

      If you add thermal pads, it should improve your results (by allowing your PS3 to cool more efficently) and may quiet down the fan a little...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      it does start up in the first 5min of wen i turn it on n thts wen im on a game menu thts wen it picks up n den hits the max of the fan so should it be ok for me ??

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, you should be fine.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Newer PS3 games, better utilize the potential of the system, and the system will run hotter as a result, and there isn't really anything can be done about that. The only thing you can control is how efficiently the PS3 dispenses heat, and that is done through changing the thermal paste and thermal pads. Putting in a new fan and power supply on the older PS3 models are optional but are further ways you can help control the internal heat levels in a PS3...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hey Aaron,

      My PS3 is an old warhorse, CECHH01 and I've been having issues with all of the latest games: Uncharted 3, BF3, MW3, as well as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I have graphics poling in all of them, white boxes flashing in U3, numerous freezes and crashes in BF3, crashes in Skyrim, etc. I replaced my thermal paste with AC5, but I wonder if the damage is already done? Would a reball or reflow even help or am I better off taking the hit and getting a new slim?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey Aaron,

      My PS3 is an old warhorse, CECHH01 and I've been having issues with all of the latest games: Uncharted 3, BF3, MW3, as well as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I have graphics poling in all of them, white boxes flashing in U3, numerous freezes and crashes in BF3, crashes in Skyrim, etc. I replaced my thermal paste with AC5, but I wonder if the damage is already done? Would a reball or reflow even help or am I better off taking the hit and getting a new slim?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds to me that your GPU has already been damaged. If thermal paste doesn't help your situation, you should consider having your PS3 repaired. But, since new PS3s aren't that expensive anymore, that is probably your overall best bet.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey Aaron, I'm a total noob to the whole

      PS3 experience.. You see I just a newer model 160 GB PS3 and my room is awfully hot all year round because of the certain light that I have in here.. My room hits between 85 to 95 degrees when I use my light.. How can I make sure that my PS3 doesn't overheat and what are some ways I could use to keep it clean, lint, and dust free inside and out without opening it up?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The only thing you can really do is to make sure your PS3 has plenty of ventilation around it. IMO you don't need to be nearly as concerned about a PS3 Slim overheating as much as the fat ones.

      PS3s are designed to tolerate temperatures up to 95 degrees so you should be OK.

      You can use a vaccum or a can of compressed air on the vents to keep it clean...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Okay thanks a lot for your help

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My ps3 just got the ylod. the thing is the fan never comes on because we only use it to play movies off of a usb stick or download the movies on to the ps3. i wonder why we would have gotten a ylod>

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO, the YLOD is like diabetes or hear disease in a human, you won't necessarily see any symptoms before it strikes. As I indicated above, because the GPU doesn't have a hole cut underneath it in the motherboard (like the CPU does), it makes it more likely that we will see a YLOD issue, especially if the heat isn't conducted away effectively...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Why does my PS3 turn off when i'm trying to install game updates?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't know, this should not happen. If this is happening to a new PS3, you might want to consider exchanging the console with another system.

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      jadehorseshoe 5 years ago

      VERY Useful Lens!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron. Congratulations on your awesome guide! I'm really looking forward to get hands on this maintenance tips you suggest, however, i have a doubt related to the thermal pads. I live outside the US, so it is a bit hard to get all of the required stuff. The thickest pad sheets i can find in here are 1mm (0.039 inches) thick in contrast with the amazon ones that you recommend using, which are 0.1 inches thick, do you think that using them could hurt the expected results, or even worsen things? Thanks!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You are mistaken the pads I recommend are 1.5mm (.059 inches) thick. I recommend getting those pads for the best results.

      I suggest you look into seeing if US Amazon has any international shipping options, or contact Endless Electronics directly.

      If that isn't possible, check to see the thermal rating of the pads you are looking at. As long as if it higher than 1.0 W/ m-k you will get a better performance than with the original pads. The pads I recommend are 5.0 W/ m-k...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I just purchased Thermal pads that have a 7.0 w/mk from frozencpu.com. can you check it out and tell me what you think?

      http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13409/thr-114/Ph...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Looks good! That should work well for you...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I bought a refurbished ps3 80GB ceche01 from gamestop about a week ago the fan isnt real loud but you know its running. I read a comment you posted below when playing a game the fan will kick up but when you exit and go to the XMB the fan kicks lower well mine doesnt kick down it stays running. I replaced the 15 blade with a 19 blade and the fan still runs. My question to you is should i just go ahead and replace the thermal paste? or just leave it as it is?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Whether the fan goes down when you exit to the XMB can depend on the room temperature, so if the room is warmer the fan speeds probably won't be as noticeable as a cooler room.

      I do recommend that you do replace your thermal paste (and thermal pads), to get the best results...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: so thermal paste is a go you think IC diamond is good thermal paste? also is the thermal pads a must?? and my last question is there a correct way to pop the heat sink off the motherboard because i dont really wanna put stress on the processors and make a bigger problem

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      im not sure if you got my reply but thermal paste is a must and also is there a correct way to take the heat seat off of the motherboard. I dont wanna put too much stress on the processor chips taking off the heat sink.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I now recommend MX-4 because the thermal conductivity is about twice that of IC7, but IC7 is a good paste too.

      Although this isn't your system model you can refer to this video for an idea on how to remove the motherboard from the heatsink without causing damage:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAusIpIajNc&amp...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: So the tell me if im wrong basically the 80GB ceche1 or backwards compatible your really arent supposed to hear it or the fan doesnt really amp up? i wanna say my fan keeps in 3rd stage all the time so you think the mx-4 will help?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: With older PS3s like yours, they inherently run so hot, you will likely hear the fan. The third fan stage is quite normal for that model. The MX-4 won't help with the fan speed, it only helps make sure that the heat is transported away efficiently...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      hey pal i really appreciate all the advice and everything i read on that you posted believe it or not the PS3 only now kicks into 3rd when playing split screen other wise it stays in 2nd gear. That MX-4 i can def tell a difference at how much heat is actually being taken out because before the back was cool and the right vent was hot now both are pumping heat out. The old paste was still moist but the heat sink came off super easy. I really appreciate it man keep up the good work!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Great, I'm glad the modifications you made worked out for you!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello, my problem isnt with the (YLOD) my first gen 60g PS3 isnt powering up at all. ive tested the pwr cble, the switch.. im even getting pwr after the switch i get no lights at all.. Im thinking its just the pwr supply.. it has run hot but does blow hot air its never had any other issues till now. I would greatly appreciate any advice you might have thank you

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It does sound like a power supply issue to me, so I do recommend you try replacing it.

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      shoefiend 5 years ago

      Thank you so much for posting this I have went through 3 PS3's already it sucks that's about 1,200$ of money down the drain nice to see someone actually want to prolong the life of PS3 as much as me

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I just finished the thermal paste repair, and turned on the machine and it turns itself of within mins. What else could be wrong?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Are you seeing a warning on your TV screen that your PS3 is getting too hot, before it turns off? If so you probably haven't put the heatsink on securely to the chips to form a tight bond. If you have PS3 models CECHA01-CECHG01, be sure to follow the videos carefully to get the best results. If you have any other model you may need to check Youtube for videos on reassembling your model type.

      If that doesn't work for you, it may be time to get help from a professional repair company.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: there is a very small ribbon cable that connects the switch panel to the motherboard. that is commonly defective when the "power" issues are not solved by replacing the power supply. the other thing to check is the switch panel itself.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i plug out my ps3 is that better then leaving it pluged in

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello, my problem is during ps3 gaming only. Graphics in game are tearing and flickering. I have the ceche01 80gb metal gear bundle. Using hdmi cable on HDtv. Been using that tv for maybe 2.5 years but it started about 6 months ago. What is the problem? Is it heading to ylod or do I still have time to change thermal paste and pads? Thanks to anyone who can help!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Unfortunately I think it is heading for the YLOD. I think some of the BGAs under the GPU have fractured just enough so that it is able to keep working (for now). You could try changing the paste/pads but I don't think it will do you much good.

      I think you need to have your PS3 reballed for you to get the best repair possible.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i just have a question. does the ps3 work harder when playing a split screen game? if so why?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just a follow up yes it was just the power suppy ....replaced it and works like a champ

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't think the PS3 works any harder playing a split-screen game, in split screen I think the resolution is slightly reduced in this mode.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm glad it worked out for you!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I'm glad I found this site. I'm thinking I'm headed rapidly to YLOD city. My unit started displaying a number of symptoms I'm reading on this site within that last couple months. Graphic artifacts, much more frequent freezing in games. I'm trying to identify if it is overheating related, and saw your suggestion to verify fan speed when turning the unit on within the first 5 minutes or so. So my question is how to verify whether the fan is at highest speed or not. Are you just going by sound?

      Supposing the fan doesn't increase speed on my unit after a few minutes, would you still recommend the thermal paste given the graphic glitching and occasional freezing?

      Is there another way to identify if one of these repairs is going to likely help before trying them? Like putting a room fan in front of the unit and see if the graphics still glitch?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Also, it appears there are no sources for the thermal pad you link to above. The seller appears to not offer it anymore, and googling tends to all circle back to the same unavailable product. Is there an alternate pad that you would recommend?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: As I was telling Sephiroth1983 below, it sound like your GPU is already damaged. You could try any of these tips, but I don't think it will help very much. I think you need to have your PS3 reballed.

      As far as the fan speed goes, you should definately hear a difference in a quiet room, just by the sound.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: These thermal pads are selling so well, that they sometimes out of stock.

      If you look further down this thread, DCMC_Lizard has a link to a good alternative thermal pad.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks again for your advice. I'm experimenting a little to try and identify the best course of action. In listening to the fan both while playing a game and letting it idle after being off for a while, it does sound like the fan is on "high" when idling. It's so quiet, to be honest it's hard to be 100% certain. But I'm pretty sure the fan does speed up from the lowest speed after a bit. I just don't know if there are 3 speeds or just 2 in a PS3.

      As for damage, I don't want to over-exaggerate the scope of issues. I've only discovered 2 games that seem to have glitchy graphics and freezing issues, and they just started. And it tends to not happen the moment I turn the unit on, but after playing for a bit. Last night I stood the PS3 on it's side, and had one freeze and no graphical defects after several hours of running. So I'm hopeful that maybe I'm catching this early enough to do simple DIY repairs. The games that have issues I believe have more complicated 3D rendering (Fallout3 and Batman AC->only when on the "world" map). I can play COD for hours and not have one single symptom.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The PS3 has 4 or 5 fan speeds. The first speed is barely audible, and the highest speed is described as being as loud as a vaccum...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: It's definitely not hitting the top speeds then. If the initial fan cycling when you first turn it on is any indication of the max speed, mine is probably running about half speed, both as idling and playing games.

      I was exchanging emails with your friends at Endless Electronics trying to get a ballpark on cost of reballing, and they mentioned that sometimes graphic issues like what I'm describing can be attributed to needing a new hard drive (which I was planning to upgrade anyway), or a system restore. They also said that it is unlikely due to the solder under the RSX. Anyway, I'm just passing that along.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks for the feedback. I think if the GPU is damaged you will see some very severe graphical distortion, which sounds like you don't have.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, There?...

      I hava a fat ps3 80GB Console/system.

      So, I have already ordered a ps3 Cooling Fan 19 Blades, Popower supply-231, Artic Cooling MX-4 Compound, and a YLOD-PS3 repair kit. I'll receive them on 4 day from today on. I haven't opened my ps3 system.

      My question is "How many Thermal Pads a fat ps3 system has?...I tried to find out, but I couldn't get the answer. I know I have to remove the paste from 2 and then paste them. But how about repalcing the thermal pads?...There are 2 or 4 of them?. I bought 2 high grade copper shims. I just wondered If i had only replace them in case they were not looking in good condition.I'd like to Replace the Original Thermal Paste and the Thermal Pads. I'm so sorry, I guess I confused u.

      Are there only two of them?...Do I have to remove the Original Thermal Paste and the Thermal pads should be replaced only if they are damaged or missing.

      Last question: I'm using Artic Cooling MX-4 Compound, so How long do I have to wait after apppying it. How long do I have to wait before putting everything back there?...

      I hope u can understand. I have only 2 weeks since I got here from Spain. Only to weeks studying the language.

      Thank u very much...

      I hope u understand me.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: There were several differnt versions of the 80GB PS3, I'm assuming you have the one with the 4 USB ports in the front that can play PS2 games, since you ordered a 19-blade fan and APS-231 power supply. If that is the case the motherboard should look very simular to the one listed above that has all 17 places the thermal pads should go.

      You only put the thermal paste on the GPU & CPU, along with the copper shims if you like. The MX-4 requires no curing time, so you can use your PS3 as soon as you put your system back togeather...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I may have missed it in the video's but I didn't see anything on fan replacement. Can the fan be replaced without pulling the whole fan and heat sink assembly off the board? I think I'm going to replace the paste and pads ASAP and then if that resolves my issue, I'll probably go back and swap the fan later. I just don't want to have to redo the paste and all that.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes you can just replace the fan. its held on by 3 phillips head screws and just pulls off.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i've got the "fat" 80GB PS3 w/ the CECHLO2 model am i still in the RED zone of having 2 get my PS3 fixed. i got it on the 7th Janurary 2009, so it's 3 years old

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't quite understand what your question is, but after 3 years it is probably a good idea to have your thermal paste & pads replaced in your system.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't quite understand what your question is, but after 3 years it is probably a good idea to have your thermal paste & pads replaced in your system.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hi, there...

      I'm glad u answered all my questions. Thanks for creating a web page like this. I have been watching tons of videos at U-tube, and no one is like this. Not even close. Thanks to u I'll have the guts to fix it by myself.

      Yes, u were correct. I have the old one with the 4 USB ports. So, the only place I can put the copper shims is on GPU & CPU, and no anywhere else, am I right?...And I can put everything back as soon as I put the thermal paste on the GPU & CPU, so I don't have to wait not even 4 mins to start putting everything back, don't I?....

      I'm so sorry, I know u already answered my questions, but I wanted to make sure I understood all rightly/correctly.

      Thank u very much...

      I owed u one...

      Everytime I played my system I'll give u all my thanks...

      I hope u the best!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there...

      I'm glad u answered all my questions. Thanks for creating a web page like this. I have been watching tons of videos at U-tube, and no one is like this. Not even close. Thanks to u I'll have the guts to fix it by myself.

      Yes, u were correct. I have the old one with the 4 USB ports. So, the only place I can put the copper shims is on GPU & CPU, and no anywhere else, am I right?...And I can put everything back as soon as I put the thermal paste on the GPU & CPU, so I don't have to wait not even 4 mins to start putting everything back, don't I?....

      I'm so sorry, I know u already answered my questions, but I wanted to make sure I understood all rightly/correctly.

      Thank u very much...

      I owed u one...

      Everytime I played my system I'll give u all my thanks...

      I hope u the best!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes the shims only go on the GPU & CPU. The MX-4 thermal paste does not have any curing time so you can use your system as soon as you are able to put your system back togeather.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I did the YLOD repair on my PS3 40 gb and it went off without a hitch, but during the repair the fan control connector cam loose from the motherboard. parts of the green covering on the board cam loose and I can't tell what's left that I could even attempt to solder it back to. Is there any other way to power or control the fan. My ps3 works beautifully, but with no fan it shuts down from overheating within a couple of minutes

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank u very much

      You saved me a lot of money.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thank u!

      You saved my life including a lot of money.

      Have a nice day!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Without sending your PS3 into a repair place, I suggest you Google "PS3 fan mod" for other strategies in controlling your PS3 fan...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: hi it's Corey Bennett, when u said:"I don't quite understand what your question is, but after 3 years it is probably a good idea to have your thermal paste & pads replaced in your system." was that to me or Richard Cervantes, also what type of gaming stores would do PROFESSIONAL jobs of installing the new thermal pads & paste

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It was to you Cory. I didn't know what you ment by "RED zone", but I assume it wasn't good.

      IMO, your best option would be to choose Endless Electronic's Cleaning and Maintenence service (listed above). For $50 they will install new paste, thermal pads, and clean the dust out of your system

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: what i meant was that because it's 3 years old now, would the possibilitly of YLOD happen to my "fat" PS3 even if it's a different model than the one's listeds on this thread, mine's a CECHLO2 model (which isn't mentioned) i'll still get it a maintence service from Endless Electronic's though, also the heat from the air that is pushed out from the fan (i did that trick w/ the LED light i counted 5 fan blades x4 roughly 19 but they look slightly bent) is closely the same heat when u breve hot air in2 ur hands (if that makes sence)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: what states are Endless Electronic's in if they r some in VICTORIA what cities/towns

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes all the fat PS3 models are sucecptable to the YLOD, mainly because of the thermal paste, much more so than the PS3 Slim models. If you perform maintenence on your system, just concentrate on the thermal paste and thermal pads, since there isn't anything wrong with the fan or power supply in these models. Your PS3 model is virtually the same as the CECHL01 model, which I did mention under "The following regards PS3 models:".

      Endless Electronics is located in the state of Missouri in the United States. If you live outside of the US, I don't think it is worthwhile for you to send your system internationally for repair, you would be better off just getting a new PS3 Slim or find a place in your country that does reball repairs on the PS3...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron...thanks for putting this site together. Just yesterday my PS3 started freezing and immediately turning itself off after 30 minutes or so of on time. I noticed it goes right to a blinking red light and there is no yellow light and it WILL turn back on. So I am thinking it is just overheating probably due to the thermal paste. I think I'm gonna give this a shot to try and replace the pads and paste, and possibly the other two things (power supply and fan). I have the CECHE01MG. Do you know if that is basically the same as the CECHE01 only it was the MGS4 bundle? Also for the record I have had my PS3 for 3.5 years.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes the CECHE01 & the CECHE01MG are basically the same, the only difference is that the MG version uses a different Blu-Ray drive that is not compatible with the original E01 model.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there....

      I tried to fix my ps3 Checheo1 system (80Gb) 4 USB Ports backwards. It had YLOD issues. I mean it was overheated. I followed all steps on your videos as I should, but for some reason It didn't fix the YLOD Issue. It still turning off by itself after 3 seconds.

      I removed and some other mother board Rubber Adhesive Protector Pads must fallen down. I think they are very important to the process. Do u know how many of the are there in total?...I hope u understand what I'm talking about. Is that the right way to call them?...I tried to look for them on E-bay & Amazon, but I couldn't find them. Some are white & others black. They are small rectangular pieces. They are easy to remove from the motherboard. Are they Rubber Adhesive Protector Pads?....

      Please, help!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: ok thankyou for ur replies to me i'll try to find a PS3 repair shop somewhere in AUSTRALIA

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I think there are called "Heat Pads", I only have 4 brown & 3 black on the side of the GPU & CPU. And 5 black on the other side there is the blu-ray cable. Where can I buy them or can I cut a piece of the big one black pad beside of the CPU?.....I'm confused. How many are there supposed to be on?....

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just look at the picture of the motherboard above there should be 17 pads in total,

      12 on the side of the CPU/GPU, and 5 on the other side.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I lost 3 of them. One brown square & 2 black squares. Can I buy them on Ebay?...How do u call them?...How do I search for them online?...What happen if I don't get them?...My playstations can still getting the YLOD?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes you can buy them on eBay, just seach for thermal pads. You can also Google the term and find other sources. I don't know what will happen if you don't put them on, but I don't think the results will be good.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi there

      I have done all of these things, and have noticed good results. THank you very much for the info.

      I have a question , what can you tell me about the PS3 cooling pad? is it good for our PS3?

      image here:

      http://trinifieds.com/classifieds/wp-content/uploa...

      thanks in advance.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO, those pads aren't going to do much good since they don't directly address the problems inside the PS3

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I have one last question with the thermal pads, but I see you post on the PSN forums, so I'll ask it there. I just wanted to comment that I got the thermal pads linked to my DCMC_Lizard and there's two problems with that product. First, it's a thin strip, so there's not enough material for the Emotion chip or the other large chip on the board. The second issue is these are not self adhesive, so you will end up needing to figure out how to make them adhere. I'm assuming the other product is self adhesive.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I have one last question with the thermal pads, but I see you post on the PSN forums, so I'll ask it there. I just wanted to comment that I got the thermal pads linked to my DCMC_Lizard and there's two problems with that product. First, it's a thin strip, so there's not enough material for the Emotion chip or the other large chip on the board. The second issue is these are not self adhesive, so you will end up needing to figure out how to make them adhere. I'm assuming the other product is self adhesive.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a couple of family members with fat PS3's about the same age (3+ yrs), including my mom who only uses her's for Blu-ray movies. I'm not sure if Blu-ray watching is stressful enough on the CPU/GPU to need to worry about overheating. Curious what your thoughts are. Now that I've done it successfully on mine, I'm inclined to fix theirs if it is necessary.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I do believe that watching Blu-Ray movies is stressful on the CPU/GPU, especially when watching in HD. On my unit I have noticed the fan speed go up when watching Blu-Ray movies...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there...

      I bought 30x 15mm*15mm*1.0mm thick Thermal pads for IBM Asus Heatsink VGA GPU CPU IC Chips & 5x 15mm*15mm*0.5mm thick Silicone Thermal Pad fr Chipset Chips IC CPU GPU Heat Conduct. Do u think those will replace the small thermal pads on the ps3 motherboard?...I think those were the best choice...What do u think?...Am I wrong?...Please, help!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It seems you have enough surface area with the 1.0mm thick thermal pads you purchased to cover all of your necessary chips. The higher the thermal conductivity of the pads the better, usually the thicker the pad the more heat it can conduct. Supposedly the original pads were only 1.0 W/m-K and the ones I recommend are 5.0 W/m-K...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there..

      Thanks for taking your time answering my questions.

      30x 15mm*15mm*1.0mm Thermal pads for IBM Asus Heatsink VGA GPU CPU IC Chips are "Thermal Conductive coefficient: 400W/(m·K)", they are the closest to 5.00W/(M.K). at the SELLER page they are mark as "400W/(M.K), so I think the seller meant 4.0W/(m·K). So what do u think?...Am I right?...As soon as I get the thermal pads 4.0W/(m·K) I'll put them on. Not the best but close, right?....

      Thank u very much!....

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: google your model ..... thermal pads look in image you can see the correct way to place they are called thermal pads make sure there in the correct place and apply the thermal paste again make sure your getting contact with the heatsink hope this helps

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes what you are getting sounds pretty close to the ones I recommend...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank u...

      As soon as get them from China, I'll fix my ps3 YLOD. In 2 weeks, I'll let u know how it goes.

      God bless u!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I think I found the same pads you bought on eBay. It states that the thermal conductivity is: 3.2w/m-K, which is pretty good, and much better than the original...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, There.

      My question could sound good or maybe not, but it is very important to me.

      Can I use a Hairdryer on the motherboard instead a heat gun?...The hairdryer I have is very good. It has cold & hot volumes both high or low & medium. If I'm not wrong it should be high hot. Most people do it using a heat gun, but a hairdryer could be use as high volume/speed?..It is not recommended to move the motherboard during the process, so If I use the hairdryer for how long should I do it on the GPU & CPU?...I ask because I heard that it is not recommended to touch or move the motherboard. Using a heat gun would be for a minute but how about using a hairdryer?...Would it work or just make it worse?..

      I'm sorry, I try not to bother U. i tried to find out all over google, but I couldn't fing an answer.

      You're the best all over the internet!...Please, help me find out.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry, I forgot to say my hairdryer has 1875 Watts.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Do not use a hairdryer, it doesn't nearly get hot enough to do an effective job in reflowing the BGAs under the CPU & GPU...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      What heat gun do u recommend me on Ebay?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I really don't recommend reflowing a PS3 with a heatgun, since I don't believe those repairs last very long. If you are going to do this anyway, you should choose a heatgun that can go up to at least 570F...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you are going to reflow you should follow these insturctions:

      http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Yellow-Light-of-Death-...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I'm sorry. I already tried fixing my ps3 4 times without reflowing but It always still with YLOD. I think I did all as u said watching all of your videos. The only thing I did wrong is that I lost some of the small thermal pads. I bought & replaced the original for the 19-blades fan & 231-power supply, but I was not suceed. I don't want to reflowing my ps3 but what else could I do instead?....I just don't know what else to do...

      Tell me what to do?...now that I wondered the heatsink looked to be kind of loose?...Ii that normal?...I must being doing something wrong, because I tried to fix the ps3 4 times and I was never suceed....What could be wrong?...Everything into the ps3 look like new. Oh man, I'm getting crazy...Help!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you already have the YLOD, the tips presented here won't help you, because your PS3 is already broken. These tips are presented only as a preventative manner to working PS3 systems to help avoid the YLOD from happening in the first place.

      If you have the YLOD you really only have 2 options reflow or reball, where reball is the better option. If you don't have a place near you that can reball your PS3, then I guess your only option is to reflow, but I strongly suggest you carefully follow the instructions if you want any chance for success.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      When you stated that reflowing your PS3, YLOD will return, do you have a specific time in which that would happen? Because my PS3 already has YLOD, and we took apart our PS3 last night, took the old thermal paste off, and ordered new thermal paste today. but we just found out that you either need to reball or reflow it, it seemed reflowing it would be the easiest thing to do. Oh, and You said you do not recommend a heat gun, So what do you use? We don't have a heat gun anyhow, because we really didn't know what we were getting ourselves into when we got YLOD. I hope you answer my question quickly, I miss my PS3. Thank you so much, -Simeon

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No, I don't have a specific timeframe. It can be anywhere from a few hours to several months, for anyone not experienced in reflowing. An experienced person probably could get much better results.

      I stated that you can't use a hairdryer for reflowing, you need to use a heat gun for any hope of getting good results.

      If you live in the US, I highly recommend you contact Endless Electronics for either a reball or reflow repair...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First off, great article..!

      I performed all of your steps word by word with all of your recommended parts {Talismoon Whisper, MX-4, thermal pads, etc,} then I reassembled the PS3 and everything booted up fine! However, after about 5 minutes the fan speed still kicks up high for no reason.. The heat being expelled is slightly warm, but definitely not hot enough to need this much circulation. I am currently formatting two 1TB HDDs in both my PS3 Fat and PS3 Slim. While the Slim is running solid at the exact same fan speed and heat, the Fat is howling away and even at a lower temperature.. Both consoles are 30 hours into the format.. It just doesn't make sense.. But on a lighter note, at least now I know my PS3 Fat is less likely to YLOD on me {thanks~!}

      I guess my question is: If all your steps were performed properly with all the necessary parts, and the high RPM fan problem still isn't fixed.. What else could it be?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hey, Thanks for answering my question(s)

      This has helped a lot, I think I will choose to reball my PS3. It seems now that it's the best thing to do. Thanks for the help. You're a genius, God bless. -Simeon.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: And, I will conclude that I am going to ship my unit to Endless Electronics. I can already feel that my unit is safe with them, and they won't over charge me, and they won't do things that I did not authorize them to do. I still think the diagnostic fee is a little pricy but, it will be worth it.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The processors in the fat PS3's are considerable bigger than the ones in the PS3 Slims.

      The larger the chips, the more power they require and the more heat they put out. Depending on what model of fat PS3 you have the PS3 Slim chips can be 1/3 to 1/2 of that size.

      I have a 60GB PS3, and when I play a game it is quite audible if the room temperature is above 70F, so like I said in the article the larger PS3's fan speeds are highly sensitive to room temperature.

      The tips listed in this article, help your PS3 cool itself more effectively, but these older systems inherently run hot no matter what you do, we just need to keep it under control...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: That diagnostic fee they charge includes the return shipping cost, which costs at least $15-$20, so keep that in mind.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Okay thank you for the reply, my Fat PS3 is model number CECHG01.. The fan speed increases drastically within 5 to ten minutes of turning on, although it does alternate between two or three different speed settings regularly. Meaning it does not turn on then go straight to max and stay there until it turns off. Which is a good sign I suppose, but thanks again for all the help! Great tutorial!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Oh okay, That's cool! Thanks for all your help!!!!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a 60gig fat model that has had ylod and I've gotten it to work again 3 times reflowing with a heat gun but the 4th was a no go, would endless electronics be able to do a better job? Also my system came stock with the APS-226 power supply would you recommend switching to one of the other power supplies you listed?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Endless Electronics still may be able to fix your PS3, since they have better techniques at their disposal. I would recommend the APS-231 power supply since it runs cooler, but I suggest you concentrate on getting your PS3 running properly first...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there...

      I'm sorry I was having online issues.

      I was about to flowing my fat ps3, but thanks to u I'll better send it to Endless Electronics LLC.

      I live in Chicago, Illinois. Do u know how much does Endless Electronics LLC charge for reballing a fat ps3 both CPU &GPU?...I called them but they didn't pick/take the phone up.

      I know they are asking for a $30 fee, but how much it would be including the $30 fee?

      and also much does UPS charge for sending a ps3 to Endless Electronics LLC ?....

      I want to know which option is cheaper buying a new ps3 console or reballing the fat ps3.

      Do u think reballing a fat ps3 will last a very long time?

      Thanks your my hero.

      You are the best.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Endless Electronics charges $80 to reball the GPU, they will only reball the CPU if necessary and is usually not needed (I explained why on this page). Including the diagnostic fee you should be charged around $110 for a reball, which includes return shipping.

      I suggest you go to UPS.com and use their shipping calculator to estimate your particular shipping charge. I live near Atlanta, GA and it cost me less than $18 to ship, you are probably closer and should be even cheaper.

      Reballing your current PS3 would be cheaper IMO than buying a new one. Since I believe that reballing addresses the fundamental reason the YLOD happens, then I do believe that it should last a very long time...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Mr. Aaron Excellent Tutorial sir, now if I understand the last part of your tutorial correctly concerning models 40GB (CECHH01) you don't quite recommend a DIY on the thermal paste and pad replacements because of the difficulty in reattaching the heatsink and if done incorrectly could add to the problem instead of solving it. Is it possible for you to kindly upload a video tutorial on how to do this on Model CECHH01? If it's not too much to ask that is. You've done a great service to PS3 lovers all over the world sir. Thank You

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Wow, That's cheaper than I thought. I'll do the process, starting tomorrow. I'll ship it to Endless Electronics LLC as soon as I can.

      Thanks...

      I'll let u know how it goes.

      I can't wait to play "Final Fantasy XIII-2" & Naruto shippuden Generations.

      What's your favorite game??????

      Thank u very much!....

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry, the problem is that I can only find videos that detail the disassembly of your PS3 model, but not one that shows you how to properly reassemble it at the same quality as fixmyplaystation.com's videos.

      If you don't want to risk it I suggest you just have Endless Electronics perform their cleaning and mainenence service on your PS3 for $50.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My favorite games are: Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Heavy Rain, and Resident Evil...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I also really like Metal Gear too...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey i have a CECHL01 model ps3 that my friend gave me because he got the slim. well this thing was never kept well the speed always went to max. well i opened it up and it was dust city i mean vents were clogged the whole nine yards. well i wanted to redo the thermal paste. and unlike the original ps3 (60GB) this thing was so complex to take apart so i took photos and everything to remember the pieces and where they go. well the heat sinks on these are separate. and the motherboard effortlessly came off no pressure applied soooo i put new paste on put it back together. let it run for a while and it went to max again. so do you think i just applied the paste on wrong? or do you think the gpu and cpu chips are damaged and for the record the air coming out the back is cool.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: IMO you didn't put the PS3 back togeather properly, and the CPU/GPU aren't making a firm contact with the heatsinks. Other than trying it again, I don't have any other advice for you.

      Because of the difficulty in reassembliy of PS3 models like yours, is the reason I don't recomend that anyone service these models themselves. They should seek out a professional repair company instead.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a 320gb slim ps3. My system is only a year old and I fear my HDD is failing. Almost everytime I turn it on it is incredibly loud. It has only been doing this for about 2 weeks. It sounds like grinding and screaching. And it only happens when I initially turn my system on and lasts for about 30 sec to a minute, then it quiets back down to normal. The PS3 functions normally and this is the only problem Im having. Any suggestions on what I should do. Thanks In Advance JOSH

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I suggest you buy an external powered HDD and use the backup utility in the PS3 to back up the content of your HDD (as an image). Then if your original HDD ever fails you can buy a new HDD and use the external HDD to re-apply the image.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron. I contacted you here back on Nov 21 with an overheat problem. Eventually I had tried all you recommended, and questioned whether reapplying thermal paste under the IHS of the Cell and RSX processors would help, but you couldn't recommend the procedure. Well I finally got the resources and courage together to try it at the weekend and it amazingly did the job! True I haven't tested extensively yet, but I played GT5 for a half hour without the fan noise even increasing let alone the system shutting down. Getting the IHS's off was a little concerning but after that, I simply applied MX-4 to both (cleaned) chips , then reattached the IHS's using silicone gasket adhesive for the Cell and Thermal epoxy for the RSX. It certainly is a more dangerous procedure than I'd have liked to undertake, but I'm very pleased with the outcome and feel it was clearly necessary in my case. Just wanted to share my experience with you and your readers. Thanks again for your blog as it was a vital starting point for my ability to fix my problem.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i would like to flux, reflow and reball but in what order should i do it. i previously reflowed the ps3 2times. plz reply to he followin e-mail. a.kudus1980@gmail.com

      if possible add videos. thank you in advance

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry I don't know that information, you should contact Endless Electronics for guidence, but if you haven't done a reball already, you shouldn't start with your PS3...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm glad it worked out for you!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron.

      I have had a ps3 slim for abt 2 years now and a few months back when i started playing uncharted 2 the game gt stuck half way and then every time i restarted the ps3 it said database corrupted and had to rebuild. the system no longer boots up properly and doesnt show the icon sometime its basicaly the stock theme thats playis with nothing else on the screen.. it doesnt shut down properly as well unless i force shut it down.. is it because of some internal problem or just the hard drive messed up.. i tried taking the hard drive and checking if the system boots up and shuts down and it works properly without the old hard drive... pls help :D

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Most likely your problem is the hard drive, since it is one of the few pieces in the PS3 with moving parts, it is suseptable to breakdown. I would suggest you first try to put a new hard drive in first and see if that fixes your problem.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi I have got the CECH-GO6 and wondering if it will ever get ylod please respond

      Soon because I don't have a clue

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Your PS3 model is similar to the US CECHG01 40GB model, and is susceptible to getting the YLOD. So you can follow this guide exactly to help resolve this problem.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey.

      I have the CECH-C04 and it has the powersupply APS-227. That already is a very efficient powersupply, right? So I don't need to replace that one? Is there even a better powersupply?

      And my PS3 has a 15-blade fan. Do all 19-blade fans work propperly inside any PS3? Or are there any differences, just like the powersupply?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Your power supply is fine, the APS-231 would probably run a little cooler, but is probably not worth worth it for you, since your power supply is already fairly efficient.

      The 19-blade fan works properly in the CECHA-CECHE models, it works for your model and is highly recommended that you change it, because the airflow is much better...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Nice tutorial Arron!

      I was playing Rainbow Six Vegas last night on my PS3 Fat and I would get video flashes on part of the screen and audio pops. It seemed to get worse and worse and finally started blanking the whole screen for a second or two. Definately long enough to get shot and not know it, make game play very hard. After turning off the system, blowing it out and realizing that it was really warm/hot, we let cool down, then we filled two gallon zip-lock bags with snow and placed the PS3 on top of one and place the other zip-lock bag on top. We then played the game for about 3 hours with not one video flash or audio pop.

      Does it sound like this thermal paste and pad upgrade will fix the problem or do you think the problem is more serious?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just to be clear, we did test it after blowing it out and before sandwiching it in snow bags and it was still flashing and popping.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It does sound like overheating is leading to your condition. I definately recommend that you upgrade the thermal paste and thermal pads.

      BTW that is a very creative test you did with your PS3!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thank you for your reply. :)

      I also tried to order the new thermal pads, but it says they don't ship to my country... (the Netherlands) So do you know where else to buy that thermal pad? What is the "brand" also? So I could google it, to find out where to buy it... Or do most local computer-stores sell thermal pads too?

      And do you think, after having a YLOD(repaired, but got one again), upgrading the fan, paste and pads will help prevent it from happening again for years(or months)?

      Or would re-balling be the only option to let the PS3 last for years?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi there!

      I just took apart my entire PS3 model CECHB to make the prevent YLOD. When I came down to the motherboard I saw that a a piece that had detached (see picture)

      So I used a heatgun to heat it up so the lead/soder would melt a little so It could reattach Itself. Was that a good or bad move to do? If i did get the piece on the exact spot with all the pins conencting to one another do you think It would be worth to take time and little money to try and do any of the prevent YLOD steps or maybe it's not worth it since the part that got detached might ruin it all

      The PS3 itself already had YLOD before I took apart it and after i reattached the piece that was detached it was no difference as I suspected.

      I know this tutorial wasn't for fixing YLOD, but i did find quite decent guides on how to fix it and all.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The thermal pads are made by Bergquist, I don't know where else to buy it except from maybe the manufacturer.

      Upgrading the thermal pads and thermal paste, will make the YLOD less likely to happen. Depending on the condition of the solder at the time of application, the YLOD can still happen. Reballing is the best option, since it directly addresses the main cause of the YLOD...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry but I didn't get a picture of the affected part, so I really can't say.

      If the PS3 appears to be working properly after you put the PS3 back togeather, then it proably isn't anything you need to worry about.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Oh sorry I think the link to the picture disappeared

      http://i39.tinypic.com/30jsm6b.jpg

      Hope you can add links in the comments.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi. I have a difficult question. Do you now if you can replace the gpu and keep the hdd without formatting? Thank you very much for your time and wonderful tips!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm not sure what that part does, but if your PS3 seems to operate normally after putting it back togeather. You should be fine.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm not sure, but I think so.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: My problem Is that the PS3 have the YLOD so I took it apart and found that part to be detached. So I don't want to waste some money to try to fix the actual YLOD when I don't know if the detached part is causing the trouble or not.

      Btw do you know any good retailers that are good and sell PS3 motherboards? Only seen 1 seller that sells the model i need and it's a ebay auction.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You can't just buy a new motherboard, because it is married to the controller board on the BD drive, and will only work with that specific motherboard. If you are thinking about replacing the whole motherboard, you really need to be thinking about the whole system, or at the very least the motherboard/BD controller board combo.

      If you live in the US, you may want to look into having Endless Electronics evaluate if your PS3 is fixable.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: If you still have problems buying the thermal pads, you might want to try contacting Endless Electronics directly. Perhaps you can have them set up sending the pads to you directly...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Has anyone here actually used Endless Electronics yet? How was the experience and turnaround time? How reliable was the repair? I've been meaning to get my original 60GB model done (got the YLOD more than a year ago). I'm leaning to gophermods or ps3repairshop.com for a reball because they have good reviews and better BBB rating than Endless. Any suggestions?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I have used them (Endless Electronics) and have had great results. Apparently they have gotten their turnaound time down to a few days for reflows and about a week for reballs.

      Most of the issues EE had to do with communication with their customers, their new way of doing business has virtually eliminated that problem. You should check out their Facebook page for more current testimonials.

      If you are looking for a reball repair, understand that Gophermods has a waiting list that (last I checked) was several months long.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I also think you will find a few testimonials regarding Endless Electronics further down this thread.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: hey, I think I will be fine now :)

      I found the right thermal pads on their website, and I already mailed them and EE.

      thank you very much for your help!

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      Hello, I thank the one who created this article!

      Sony allready put an 19 blade fan in my refurb 60Gb launch model, the first thing i did when i got my ps3 back is replacing the thermal paste with mx-4, all i need to do in the near furure is some of those high quality thermal pads. My power suply unit is an APS: 227?? do i need to change this one?

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      Also another important question i need to know

      let say that today i put some fresh quality thermal pads... do these pads last forever or do i need put new fresh ones after a year or so?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: It isn't necessary IMO. Although I believe it will run a little cooler, unless you can get an APS-231 for a really cheap price, the investment probably isn't worthwhile. The thermal pads will probably give you better results...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I don't know how long the thermal pads last, but they are higher quality than the standard ones, and I believe they should only need to be changed when you change the thermal paste.

      So I think it should last many, many years.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Tanks for the quick reply, i have found this thermal pads from ebay

      "Phobya Thermal Pad XT 7W/mk 120x20 x 1,5mm"

      and here is the link:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

      can you tell me please if this one is also appropriate for a ps3?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks for the info. i just read through every comment here but only found two or three instances of people saying they were planning to send their ps3 to EE and they would post back the results. Sadly they never did follow up. I do see alot of reviews for them on their facebook page but they mostly seem to be left within a couple of weeks of getting their repaired consoles back. I read somewhere else online that gophermods currently has a 2 month waiting list, and the other place RSOL Ps3repairshop.com i mentioned says they reball in about a week with no waiting list and lifetime warranty if the original seal is intact. Both have solid reputations online in places that can't be "edited" and honestly the turnaround isn't too great of a concern to me because as I said before my original ps3 has been down since january 2011 (GT5 killed it). Most important to me I guess is if i spend money on a repair is an honest expectation of reliability / longevity from the shop and i can only find that with RSOL's site, plus they charge around the same as EE while gophermods is about $40 more. How long has it been since EE repaired yours? Anybody else dealt with EE or RSOL please chime in.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: By the way during my research i actually found an old thread you started on PSN forums a couple years back. It looks like back then RSOL was refusing to do reflows because they knew it was short term. Now they do, but push it as a 'recovery' and not a 'repair', so you know up front what to expect. Its a different approach to what you'd normally find, but it seems to work for them as they have a better BBB rating than gophermods or EE. Here's the original link: http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/775531?...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I had my PS3 repaired last October, so it has been running strong for about 5 months. One thing I think EE has over the competition is the additional services, especially the thermal pad replacement, which helps ensure that the PS3 keep running cool.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: The feedback I got on that was that those pads weren't very sticky and I am not sure that there is enough to cover all the chips with just one pad. If Amazon doesn't ship the recommended pads to you, you might want to try contacting Endless Electronics, and see if something can be worked out.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: 5 months & counting sounds reasonable enough to me. Especially for that price. How many total hours of runtime do you think you've racked up on the console since the reball? Do you use it in moderation or do run it without a care in the world where 10 hour game sessions are the norm? I need to finish my GT5 B-spec Endurance races once I'm reunited with my trapped game disc lol. By the way thanks for the great article and responding to my earlier questions. Been a lot of help.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm not really sure how many hours I have racked up but it has been quite a few. I have been running folding@home overnight for at least a few dozen sessions and it still works like a champ.

      BTW EE has this new mod where they drill in some air holes on the bottom of the PS3, so the fan can get direct airflow to the bottom of the system. I haven't checked it out but it sounds like another great way of keeping your PS3 cool.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Okay thanks i will contact them and see if they want send me some pads.

      I have another question, sins i replaced the thermal paste my ps3 runs very smooth and quit and stays quit the whole time when its on in XMB or playing a game, i dont see fan speeds differences?? the fan never get passed the second fan-mode, the air blown out is nice and warm (not hot) so the mx-4 thermal paste is doing a really good job xD.. i cant believe how quit it runs even after hours of playing Uncharted 3 and becouse of this i am little bit worried that maybe the fan isnt getting a signal to go faster than level 2.. xD and i want to do the "famous" fan test to check if the fan works like it should, but in forums people say that this test is harmfull for the ps3 so now i need your opinion about this one..

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: My understanding is that the 60GB can't do the fan test, only fat models CECHG and above can do it. Sony states that it is harmful to do this anyway, so I wouldn't suggest it even if you could.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: The fan test can also be done on the 60Gb, you need to hold the system upside down (HDD cover above up) then press the power button. I did this once with my first (new 550+$) ps3 and never again xD, at that time i believed the storys about the fantest cleaning the system from dust inside, BS offcourse haha

      one last question:

      whats your opinion about the ps3 in horizontal stand or vertical stand? this is my 4th refurb ps3 (i acctually lost count xD) all of them got Ylod, (my insurance paid the fix-$$$) the first 3 years my ps3's where laying horizontal and i got ylod. the funny thing i noticed that they all died on me around 1,5 years each, the previous one i had it vertical and next to a window with always fresh air and still got the ylod, this one i have now is also standing vertical becouse i read something on EE webpage about "vertical stand is better" while on forums people say that horizontal is been proven to be running cooler?

      Okt-2007: new ps3 60Gb model (europe)

      jan-2008: Ylod.........Horizontal stand (inside living room)

      apr-2009: Ylod.........Horizontal..........( inside living room)

      aug-2010: Ylod........Vertical stand.....(next to a window)

      Dec-2011: Ylod........Vertical .............(living room)

      Jan-2012: Vertical stand--fresh quality thermal paste--19 blade fan

      I always took good care of my ps3 systems, once a month with the vacuum cleaner along the ventilation holes etc..

      this is the ultimate test with these 3 tips I will see if my ps3 wil stay alive longer xD

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I forgot to add something.

      Im smoke allot, does this have any effect on the system?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I don't see the reason why you would need a stand for the 60GB PS3, it is designed to not need one at all.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I believe it does. I saw a picture of the inside of a PS3 from a smoker, and it looked like the tar from the smoke condesned inside. It kind of looked like Chewbacca had shed inside it, LOL.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: i meant Vertical position -_-" sorry for the misunderstanding im from france

      wich position is better? Horizontal flat (ps3 on its belly) or

      Vertical position (standing on its HDD cover)

      Endless Electronics is saying that the vertical position is better for the ps3 system, while the majority of people everywhere say that ps3 laying flat horizontal is been proven to be running cooler?

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      I found a very intresting video on YT, it shows thermal heat images on Ps3.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LyQ7ll6dy8

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      this one is better

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I have seen articles and videos showing that horizontal is cooler, but IMO I don't think it matters that much, especially if you are doing these modifications. I personally keep my 60GB in a verticle position.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: anyway i thank you for all your help and answers, you are the best

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thank you very much for your guide; it is informative and easy to understand.

      This is a question where I should already know the answer, but when would you recommend having a console serviced? I've had my CECHA01 since 2008 (purchased second-hand, don't know if it was manufactured in 2006 or 2007) and aside from having the thermal compound replaced around last June, I've just given it a weekly vacuuming. Fan speed seems to ratchet up higher than it used to, but it only exceeds PS2 levels of noise when I'm playing a newer game in HD. Last year, the fan speed would reach "fifth gear" on Final Fantasy XIII and inFamous 2 after about thirty minutes to an hour or so, but after five to ten minutes it would drop back down to the fourth speed. Is that normal, or should I be concerned?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: What you described sounds fairly normal. You might be able to improve your cooling performance with the addition of thermal pads.

      I am also going to test a new case modification for the PS3, where air holes are drilled directly above the fan, increasing the airflow to the fan and the CPU/GPU, that should increase the cooling ability even more and lower the fan speed.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: That's a relief; thank you very much for the swift reply! Looking forward to hearing how the case mod works out.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: I just found out that Endless Electronics sells the recommended thermal pads on eBay, which also ships to Europe. You should be able to find the listing by going to your regional eBay site and search: "High Preformance Thermal Pads For Playstation 3"

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, there...

      I shipped my ps3 to Endless Electronic and they sucessfully fixed it.

      I received just now.

      I highly recommend "Endless Electronics" to anyone out there.

      Thank u!...Aaronpather for all your help.

      Your web site page is the best in the entire Internet.

      Thanks, God bless u!

      Richard Cervantes...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Good to hear, I'm glad EE was able to fix your PS3.

      Thanks for the complement, LOL!!!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: My PS3 has had the YLOD and i got it fixed locally, now to prevent it again I was thinking of buying a cooler that is attacted on the usb which I saw on Ebay, you think this will help ly PS3????

      link below>>>>

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-4-Cooling-Cooler-Quite...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My PS3 has had the YLOD and i got it fixed locally, now to prevent it again I was thinking of buying a cooler that is attacted on the usb which I saw on Ebay, you think this will help ly PS3????

      link below>>>>

      http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-4-Cooling-Cooler-Quite...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't have a lot of confidence in external fans on the PS3. IMO using new thermal paste and thermal pads are going to be a lot more effective in cooling a PS3 rather than using an external fan.

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Well it does not show up in my regional ebay, it can only been found if i go to ebay.COM, i have noticed that EE only selected 1 european country (Germany)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I'm not an expert but I wouldn't modify the case in any way. They designed it with the best airflow possible and drilling holes might actually cause more harm. Plus the holes would have to be rather large anyway.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't think drilling holes in the case will do the PS3 any harm. The way the PS3 is designed now (in the 20, 60, 80 models), the air is designed to enter the front of the system through a narrow gap. Drilling holes directly above the fan should allow for a larger volume of air to be taken in at one time and should be more efficient in cooling.

      When I get my PS3 back, I will test this myself, and I will add it to this site if I recommend it.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: OK, well like I said you should contact them and see if they would ship to your country. Before now I did not know they normally shipped outside of the US...

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      Hey Aaron i have send them a message yesterday and now EE has changed their eBay, so now it is possible to order the pads :)

      Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: Good to hear!

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      issy_i 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hey i was also planning to buy an SDD, they say that it generate alot less heat than a HDD. i can buy one for like 40$ (60Gb)

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @issy_i: IMO the difference in heat production isn't that severe to make a huge difference, but I guess every little bit counts. In my case, I need as much HD space as I can get and SSDs are too expensive for me in the larger sizes...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have 160GB Slim PS3 model # CECH 2501A that was manufactured in October 2010...my husband just purchased this unit from a seller who informed him that it was in perfect working condition and only three months old (he did not verify this with the model number or manufacturing date) and returned home with his new system. After initial set up and a few hours of gaming the system locked up and completely shutdown. It would not power back up for at least 15 minutes. It reacted as if it had overheated and was forced into a self preservation shutdown. After it cools down you can power the system back up and read a message about improper shutdown and a possible system corruption and file restore time. The system will operate for another one to two hours and then the process will repeat. Mind you...this is suppose to be a fairly "new" 160GB system. What would you suggest I do with this system? Any help is greatly appreciated at this point...

      PS...I have made my husband purchase a brand new system with extended service contract from Walmart (model # CECH 3001A) and I am looking to repair this as-sits overpriced door stop and use it as a back up system for my young son to play...split screen MW3 is just not as wonderful as it sounds...I love my 160GB FAT system, so far so good, but my husband on the other hand...1st PS3 original 60GB FAT backwards compatible (complete clean out, replaced / upgraded fried PSU, replaced / upgraded thermal pads and grease, replaced optical drive, and replaced HDD...still will not stay on longer than 30 seconds...possible reball in its future...now this with his slim...electronics, smh!)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Will the PS3 HDD reformat after disassembling the PS3 (after applying thermal paste)?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      On which system are you referring to? The 160GB Slim will reformat either automatically at startup and I have manually done it as well either through the selection on the XMB menu under Settings and through performing a Safe Mode Boot.

      I am in able to do a HDD reformat on the FAT due to the lack of time the system will stay on. I am trying to convince my husband that my technically skills are maxed out at this point and that a trip to Endless Electronics is what it needs, but after spending $100+ on the 60GB, $200 on the rip of artist's 160GB, and $280 on the brand new extended service 160GB I am reluctant to spend $100-$150 on possible repairs just for the FAT and whatever $$$ is going to be required on the fancy paper weight...the money tree in my backyard is currently not in bloom...please help? Thank you so my much! Honestly...you are my go-to techie...

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: No, it will only reformat the hard drive if it wasn't originally formatted by that PS3.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I am not an expert in the Slim PS3, but it does sound like your PS3 is overheating.

      You could try disassembling the PS3 and changing out the thermal paste.

      Here is a good guide to follow: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation-3-Slim-...

      Your other options I recommend involve Endless Electronics.

      *Have them repair it for ~ $65 ($35 repair +$30 diagnostic)

      * Get $50 cash for your unit, or apply that amount to a new ($205) or used ($165) PS3 that Endless Electronics will supply.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You also may want to consider trading in your PS3 to GameStop with this new offer I just read about...

      http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My PS3 got the YLOD while there was a power outage and my PS3 wasn't ON... Do I just need to change the power supply?

      Sorry if I my English is bad :p

      And thanks in advance

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I forgot! My PS3 is FAT 80GB CECHE01. What power supply would you recomend?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm sorry but there is no way to tell how you got the YLOD. Many people seem to get it when they turn their PS3 on after being off. If your power supply needs replacement, you won't be able to hear the fan spin when you turn it on.

      The recommended power supply for your system is the APS-226...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey, I mailed both but no success in getting the thermal pads... So after some different research on the internet I found (what I think is) an even better thermal pad then EE is selling. And they ship to the Netherlands, but is a little more expensive too.. EE specs: 100x50x1.5mm, 5.0W/mK (right?) http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11654/thr-87/Fuj... specs: 150x100x1.5mm, 6.0W/mK.

      Could you please verify if this is a good alternative?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Those new pad you brought up sound pretty good, and seem to be a good alternative.

      Since you last wrote EE is now selling the thermal pads on eBay, and they now ship worldwide. So keep that in mind. The eBay links are posted above on the main page.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Does anyone have a answer...my 80gb ps3 keep shutting off but doesnt have ylod yet and also my fan go crazy whenever i play games.....can anyone help

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      no ylod yet but 80gb ps3 fan go crazy after 5mins then shuts off

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds like your PS3 is overheating. I suggest you at a minimum change your thermal paste and your thermal pads. You should get good results this way.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanx...one more thing will this solution stop my fan speed from goin crazy...and how much artic silver 5 do i use

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Ps3 quite working in the middle of a game and powered off, i restarted and it worked fine the rest of the evening. when i attempted to restart the next morning it came on for about 6-7minutes then powered back off and will not restart for any longer than 2seconds. Im aware that this is the YLOD my question is can endless electronics fix this?and if so would it be worthwhile to fix or simply buy a newer system considering this unit is about 6-7 years old (cech a01). And also if it can be fixed for a reasonable price will it still have everything on it just like when it shutdown on me ie: musicpictures,downloads,etc.? Thanks your article is very good and will be recc. to my friends.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Also, if it cannot be fixed how do i get the game out that i was playing when it died? Thanks again.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The chances of Endless Electronics fixing your system is quite high, especially if you never attempted to repair it yourself before.

      I would say your system is worthwhile to fix, espcially if you value PS2 backwards compatibity. EE can fix your PS3 cheaper and more reliably than Sony, and will retain your hard drive data (Sony always wipes your data).

      EE can retrieve your game and send it back to you (just make a note of it when you send your system in).

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: This method should prevent the fan from going to the highest speed so quickly. Bonus Video #1 details how much AS5 to use.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: 80GB fat boy, sprayed dust out, replaced thermal paste, original fan but added thermaltake temp control fans

      How much cooler between APS-226 vs ZSSR5391A power supply?

      And how much cooler with Talismoon vs original fan?

      Maybe 5, 10, or 15 degrees?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I don't know the answer to your questions. I do know that the APS-226 is significantly cooler than the ZSSR5391A. I stated in this article that the 19 blade fan moves 150% more air than the 15 blade fan...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hello! These are really awesome and informative videos! PLEASE, IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT! Here goes: I have a ps3 fat model that I bought new in november of 2008. So, Ive had it for around 3 and a half years. My question is this: The fan has started working harder and like one of the points mentioned above, it starts to kick into full gear just a few minutes after I turn it on (approx. 5-10 min). The air that it pushes out is very warm though, so I guess thats a good thing? Because its circulating hot air out? But Im wondering if its suppoed to be VERY hot under my ps3? I can still put my hand under it, but its very unconfortable due to the heat. Is that normal? Do you guys think I have to worry about YLOD or my ps3 only needs to be cleaned? Again, my main concern is the fan working extra hard, like, its very loud and alot of heat is being given off yet underneath, the ps3 is extremely hot... I would appreciate any advice. Thank you.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The bottom of your PS3 should get very warm, because that is where the heatsink is located. Since your system fan is going to the high speed in that short period of time, it does suggest to me that the thermal paste may be drying out and needs to be replaced. If you have the PS3 model CECHH-CECHL, you probably need to have a repair shop do it for you rather than you doing it yourself.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Im back again...on my ps3 80gb i took everything apart and put the arctic silver 5 compund on....now its running smooth and i think it changed speed one time due to playing blu-rays..is tht normal...and one question Arron whats the cure time bf i can play for hrs cause i play alot of COD MW3.......thanx

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: It sound like your PS3 is running better/normal. The cure time for AS5 is 200 hours.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      Mr. Arron....ive did everything you ask tha correct way but the fan high speed but not crazy speed i watched a blu-ray lastnite it did wonderful now this mornin i put in ncaa 12....after 25mins of play thats when the fan speeds up wat else to do the fan sounds good andthe back of it not blowin hot but warm air thts a plus.....do i need to upgrade my fan or redo my as5 compound...please help...my system is a cechk01 80gb fat boy everthing still looks brand new and dust free

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: If it takes 25 min. for the fan speeds to go up, then you are probably fine. You won't be able to keep the fan speed down normally, unless you play in a refrigerated room.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: after playing for awhile it shut off again but no ylod any other suggestions

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: As I said on this page, models like yours can be difficult to put back together properly, so that the heatsink has proper contact with the chips. So I suggest you try it again, or seek the help of a professional repair company like Endless Electronics....

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      My PS3 stopped working today. I shut the back power switch off and turn it back on. The front red light goes on. when I power it on, the light goes green, but nothing shows on the screen(black). I also don't hear the fan running the way it used to be. Opened it up tons of dust everywhere. Cleaned it and tried again. Immediately felt some hot air at the back and faint burning plastic smell. Thinking my fan went, but would that cause the screen to go black. Don't want to replace it if there is a larger issue. Any help appreciated

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Try reseting the video by holding down the power button until it beeps a second time, you should see something on the screen. If that doesn't work, I don't know what your issue is...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I tried that, nothing came up. I read somewhere that the ps3 recognizes the fan as a motor and shuts down if it is not working. Ordered a fan online and will redo the thermal paste as well. No YLOD, so I;m hoping these work. Thanks

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      yes hi i have the cechg01 model and i can play my games i can play them but after awhile its like dont want to load the game anymore. like i play black ops zombies online and it loads up and everything but when i try to get a gun on the map i get the gun but it doesnt show that i have one like there is a glitch in the game or something.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: hey johnczar1 I've had the black screen problem off and on since I got my system, don't buy a referb. But I've found it happens a lot with hdmi and if I use component which is still 1080i just not p. Anyway, plug in the component cable into the ps3 and your tv. Unplug the hdmi. boot hold the power to reset the video. It probably won't do anything. then plug the hdmi back in and reset. It usually will pull up the hdmi detected screen, switch the video to component and unplug the hdmi. And that my friend has worked for me.

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I can't really tell what is going on, basesd on your description...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: ok i think its my blue- ray drive. my game will load but than things wont load like they should. like the sound and other items after the start of the game. like i get the items but there invisible you cant see them

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I agree it could be your Blu-Ray drive, it could also be your HDD since many games are dependent on that also.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hey aaronprather

      first of this is a really awesome and well thought through article! I appreciate that a lot.

      My issue is the following: I got a CECHC04 60gb and just recently got the high performance thermal pads from EE. While installing them I noticed that some of the original pads are like 0.5mm thicker than the ones from EE. My question is can I replace them with the new ones from EE although they're slightly thinner?

      Also why does no one talk about changing the blu-ray drive's thermal pad? Can I change that one as well or is it simply not necessary?

      Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes you can replace all the pads, regardless of how thick (or thin) they are, what is more important is that the new pads are more efficient in transferring heat than the older ones.

      As far a I know, the Blu-Ray drive doesn't have a thermal pad, I think what you are refering to is a pad used for shock absorbtion. It shouldn't hurt anything if you choose to replace that pad anyway.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: So it doesn't matter if the metal frame (those 2 big grids that go around the whole motherboard when put together) is not touching the thermal pads?

      Concerning the blu-ray drive's thermal pad, I asked EE the same question and they told me that it is different and that I shouldn't change it.

      If you're still interested, here you can see it

      http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/nickmitch2... (you can see it on the right border)

      http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w194/nickmitch2... (it's right under the shock absorbtion parts that you mentioned)

      note that this may only be true for the CECHC04

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ideally the thermal pads should come into contact with the metal shell that goes around the motherboard, so it helps conduct the heat away. If it doesn't, you may want to consider doubling up on the thermal pads to make them thicker, but you should probably ask EE about that first...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: the resulting pressure from the heatsinks and all the other screws is enough to close the gap between the metal shell and the thermal pads.

      So it's just like you said, thanks!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I replaced the fan and the thermal paste. Reassembled it. Turned it on. Got a green light, blinked yellow once, and then blinked red. Nothing else happened. I'm assuming this is the YLOD. Is the correct fix the heat gun for approx 30 on the CPU and GPU. Do you need to do both sides of the board too? Also there are those 2 rectangular boxes with the black tape on them. Do they need the heat gun too? Thank you

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The blue ray drive doesnt sound like it is running when I put a disc in. No fan noise either. Thanks

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: The heatgun might work, but I don't recommend it because it is a temporary fix at best, or you might ruin the motherboard altogeather.

      The best fix is to have your PS3 reballed by a repair company like Endless Electronics...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr1zyAGwnuU

      I followed this video and it worked (but without using the tips in this article it only held for about a month in my case..) As you can see it's about 2 min warming up whole board then 5 min concentrating on CPU and GPU.

      Just watch the video and immitate. :)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: I replaced my fan and thermal paste, reassembled and got YLOD with blinking red light. Reflowed with heat gun, Now unit turns on get green light. Can insert disc and get blue light on. Fan is running as well as can hear blue ray drive spinning. Just nothing on screen. Tried connecting composite jack to tv, i get a quick flash of light on the screen and nothing else. If I hold power button to try to reset video, I only get 3 rapid beeps that's it. I need to continue to hold it for about 8 sec to get it to turn off. Any ideas. I do appreciate the help

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I think it is time for you to seek the skills of a professional, because I'm afraid I don't have any more idea's for you, sorry....

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      If I have a Ylod'd PS3 fat and i reball it could I then do all the steps in this guide to further prevent future Ylod and general overheating?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: In short, yes...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Aaron,

      Just thought I'd add my experience with another mod that I did to my PS3 to aid cooling; I drilled small holes on the rear casing just above the cooling fan so more air will be regulated to the fan. This was done in September/October along with the 19blade fan swap & IC Diamond 7 application. I took my PS3 apart for maintenance yesterday and I noticed that the fan had slight marks where the holes were located. These marks are from dust particles that had found its way to the fan frame and will not rub off.

      Just a FYI to those who are thinking about doing this mod.

      Regards

      JAY

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      What changes would you recommend to make a 80gb fat CECHK model run more efficiently in maintaining a cooler temp? Do I need to change the fan? The power supply? etc. Any tips on what I can improve and what doesn't need any changes?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: As I stated in the artilce, new thermal pads and thermal paste are an absolute must. Replacing the fan isn't as necessary for your model, and you definately don't need to replace your power supply

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Thanks, appreciate it.

      Also, I'd like you to know I'm impressed with your article, and of the communication you have with your readers. Best article for PS3 maintenance I could find, keep up the good work!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: Hey aaronprather, my ps3 shuts off automatically in mw3 all the time and it says that my hard drive or hard disk is damaged or corrupted but i always play black ops and othet games and it doesn't shuts off automatically, it always shuts off on mw3 only, can u give me any suggestions??

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Other than trying a different hard drive, I really don't have any suggestions.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you back up your hard drive to a portable hard drive or large flash drive. You can probably reformat your hard drive to fix the corruption issue. If you don't back it up first you will lose all of you game save info.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: If you back up your hard drive to a portable hard drive or large flash drive. You can probably reformat your hard drive to fix the corruption issue. If you don't back it up first you will lose all of you game save info.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      what is the best thermal paste to on my 80gb cechk01.......as5 or mx-4 any tips please let me knw.......thanx

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: As stated in the article I recommend MX-4, please read Tip# 3 for the reasons why.

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      jethrow31 5 years ago

      Hey guys im back with another question.....on my cechk01 80gb do you replace the thermal paste on RSX cell or leave it alone....anybody have an answer or tips........thanx

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @jethrow31: Yes you replace the thermal paste on both the RSX & CELL processors, especially since the original thermal paste put on by Sony tends to dry up after a few years of use.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      hello aaron i have been looking at endless electronics website and they have 3 different hdd upgrades a regular hdd upgrade,a hybrid hdd, and a solid state drive which would be the best for speed and efficiency in a 60 gb fat ps3 ?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: From what I read a solid state drive would be slightly faster than a standard hard drive, but only by a few seconds. IMO I prefer to get the most HDD space for the money. You have to decide for yourself what is more important for yourself..

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      i have got ylod 3 times now within 3 weeks is it time to give up? what other techniques can you use for reballing?

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I think you have reballing confused with reflowing. Reflowing is the DIY method people use with a heatgun to fix a YLOD, but the fix is almost always temporary. Reballing is a complex repair, and it can only be done properly by certain repair places. Please read the section: "What if I already have the YLOD?" to find out the differences between a reball and reflow...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I have a CECHA01 Model PS3 which I've replaced the disc drive in twice the first time it was a no spin the second time the drive board went bad causing calibration problems in my PS3 I've got that fixed currently it works whenever I turn it on but occasionally as I turn it on and off I notice it will sometimes make clicking noises I remember when i had the CD drive replaced the first time almost a year ago I had them reapply the thermal paste but I want to make sure nothing else is getting ready to go bad again so what does this mean also how do I contact EE to send my PS3 in if necessary I"m 20 and live in Chillicothe Ohio

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I wouldn't worry too much about the Blu-Ray drive, if it is operating normally.

      You can contact EE by emailing them at: support@endlesselectronics.org

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Great write-up! I have learned a lot and put most of it to use on my ps3s.

      question: i read somewhere about removing the heatpreaders on the GPU and CPU to apply new thermal paste/thermal glue underneath. have you ever done this, or is it something you would recommend a) as preventative maintenance, or b) after performing a heat gun reflow (i read the heat can breakdown the paste underneath)

      also, has anyone ever made a printable template for an x-flow type drill pattern?

      thanks for your time and effort!

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      aaronprather 5 years ago

      @anonymous: As it is presented in this guide I advocate thermal paste be applied as preventative maintenence. If you were to do a reflow, you would remove the old thermal paste first, and then later apply new thermal paste.

      I have not seen a template available for the X-flow, you may want to contact Endless Electronics about that.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @aaronprather: thanks for the response, but i was referring to underneath the heatspreaders on top of the GPU/CPU.

      the paste between the heatspreader and the heatsink is of course changed as per your guide, but what about the paste between the actual processors and the heatspreaders?

      thanks!

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: My understanding is that what is under the heatspreaders is just glue. I don't advise you attempt to pry off the heatspreaders, because you may damage the motherboard in the process..

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Very helpful tutorial!

      I followed all the steps, plus I also took out the heatspreader on the RSX, and removed all glue and put some MX-4 on it. After doing all, my PS3 still runs with quite loud fan noise after 5-10 minutes in XMB (level 3 fan speed perhaps), should I be worried about that? Could it be that my PS3 is just always noisy? Answers will be highly appreciated, thanks! I have the CECHC 60GB model, it already had a 19 blades fan.

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: You are probably fine. Unless the room temperature is below 20C, you are going to hear the PS3's fan, because the normally run very hot.

      You might also want to consider buying new thermal pads to improve your results.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Can I rule out the power supply being bad if I still get a red power light on the front when my ps3 is plugged in? (it has the ylod, replaced the thermal paste, still has ylod). Thanks!

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: If the YLOD is caused by the power supply, I from what I understand you can't hear the fan spin up when you first turn it on.

      Also if you have the YLOD, you can't just replace the thermal paste and expect it to be fixed. Most likely the GPU has to be reflowed (or perferably reballed) to fix the YLOD.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      My fat 40gb ps3 shut off after about 5 minutes with the red blinking light. I was able to turn it back on but am afraid of using it as I don't want the YLOD. Question about the psu, do you mean the fan never comes on when you start the system?

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes the fan never comes on when you start the system if the PSU is the cause of the YLOD...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hey, after reading this Tut and the thermal paste i went to change mine. I went with AS5 and applied a bit more than in the video. About twice as much, in he center and a horizontal line. I compressed it to be best, and even bent the clamps a bit to provide more preasure.

      I have the Cechk01 model.

      After about 10-20 mins in the xmb, the fan speeds up to about speed 4-5. Room temp is about 72-74'F.

      Is that normal?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      To my original question.. "Hey, after reading this Tut".

      The ps3 blows out warm/cool air out. The back feel pretty warm where the heat sinks are.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @aaronprather: OK also it seems like now the fan may occasionally off and on start humming/whining louder then normal so I think it may be time to re apply the thermal paste to the heat sink of the CPU/GPU its never too late to stop YLOD from happening until its already happened right? Just want to make sure

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Occasionally off and on I've heard the fan motor in my PS3 hum/whine louder then normal and I have a feeling that means the heat sink may need more thermal compound applied to it soon after all its not too late to prevent YLOD from happening until it already has happened right? just wanna make sure so for now I'm just gonna lay off running my PS3 to keep from stressing it until I can get some work done on it I tried to post about this before but I didn't see the comment come up sorry if you see this twice

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      virgil79 4 years ago

      hey nice i redone my PS3 CECHK01 MODEL with arctic silver 5 i have used it for 40 hours so fear so good thanks for this help me out i hope it keep kicking so i used it for 40 hours so fear what do you thank i fan has never kick up so fear after the repast i been playing la noire the most thanks again

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @virgil79: It sounds like you did a good job.

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It isn't too late to put down thermal paste. Once you get the YLOD, you will have to make arrangements to have it repaired.

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm a little confused about when you state your ps3 blows out "warm/cool" air. The air should be warm to hot. Also your fan speeds are a little high, given the room temperature. You might want to try this proceedure again, or have it done for you professionally.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Seeking advice, hope you can help me out. got an old 80 GB fat. worked great for years. recently got an YLOD. after a few hours of research, and not being an entire novice with electronics. I reflowed the board. That part went well. unit booted up for all of 5 minutes with the fan progressively staging up until hitting the system overheat ceiling and powering off. More research revealed that the cheap thermal paste i used wasnt doing the job. So I went out and put some AS5 on it. Now the strange part happens:

      After reassembly, when turning on the master power, the unit automatically turns on with a solid green light and single beep. fan spins briefly and after about 5 seconds the green light blinks once with a single beep again. After another 5 seconds the unit powers off to a solid red standby light. At this point none of the buttons operate and only resetting the master power switch makes the unit re-attempt a boot. no audio or video output during any of this. Any thoughts on probable cause?

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Sorry, I don't have any idea what the problem is. The only thing I can suggest is that you take it apart and put it back togeather again, in case you did something wrong. If that doesn't work, it is probably time to have a repair place try to fix your system...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hey there .

      It is has been a while since I've asked you about this issue. I have the 40 Gig model. I had replaced the Thermal Paste last year - using IC Diamond 7 thermal paste. I have measured the hot air coming out of my unit - 115-120 Fareheight. The fan is in low mode after 5 minutes - medium at 15 minutes, and almost high when playing games and movies, and stays at that speed until I power off.

      This has been going on for months, and I wonder if I should be concerned, and replace the thermal paste, and pads. Is this behavior OK, since this is an older model.

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It sounds to me your PS3 is behaving as it should.

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      nikkyb123 4 years ago

      Hi there,

      I recently replaced the thermal paste on my 40gb PS3. After about 30 minutes the screen went fuzzy and then froze on me. I turned it off and back on and had no image whatsoever.

      I took it apart again, used some flux and a heatgun for the heatsinks and then added more thermal paste. The PS3 then started working again but after 30 mins it did exactly the same.

      I've read that the GPU could quite possibly be ruined. What do you think?

      Cheers

      Nik

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      aaronprather 4 years ago

      @nikkyb123: That is definately possible, I don't advise using a heatgun on a PS3 because of that distinct possibility.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Aaron -

      Sorry to be "duh" about this, but I will replace the thermal pads. Is there anything I should know in removing the old ones?

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