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What is Quibids and Is it Safe or a Scam?

Updated on April 11, 2016

The Truth About Quibids: Is It a Scam or Is It Real?

Before you call Quibids a scam, check out the full story.

Typically, when a person sees an ad on the web saying you can buy a new iPad for up to 90% off, they assume it is a scam. Trust me, I thought the same thing when I first saw ads for products getting sold at ridiculously cheap prices. But in my experience, it is very possible to get great products for very cheap on Quibids.

How Does Quidbids Work and How Can They Sell Stuff So Cheap?

Quibids must be losing money, right? How do they make a profit?

The truth about Quibids, and all penny auction websites, is that they are not losing money for selling products so cheap. The companies running these auctions are actually making tons of money on most of their sales. Sure, they might sell a $600 iPad for only $25, but the company actually makes up to $1500 on the sale itself. So the purchaser and the seller both get great deals on the transaction!

How They Do It

With most penny auctions, you have to buy bids to use in the auctions. Most auctions cost around 60 cents per 'bid', and each bid takes the price of the item up 'one penny.' So for each penny spent on a product, they make 60 cents, which means that if something sells for a dollar, they made up to $60 on it!

Penny auctions are not scams. They are actually a genius way of selling products. You probably wish you'd thought of the idea. I sure wish I did! That said, there are still some dangers you should watch out for. Finding the right penny auction website is key.

Some penny auctions out there cheat by using bots to run bids up, and you don't want to be competing against a fake user. Quibids is a trusted penny auction website that is safe. It's my favorite by far.

Video: How Do Penny Auctions Work?

Is Quibids Safe to Use? Are Penny Auctions the Same as Gambling?

Some people out there consider penny auctions to be a form of gambling. The way some people bid in auctions, that can certainly be true. Sure, you can save a ton of money on items, but if you lose on an auction, you could be left with nothing.

Here is how Quibids is different. They have a 'Buy It Now' feature. Let's say you used bids on an auction at 60 cents a bid and lost. You can use the money you spent towards bids on buying the item at its retail price.

If you want to be safe while bidding on auctions at Quibids, be sure to keep the 'Buy It Now' option in mind. Before you go for something, ask yourself if it is something you would be willing to spend money on to buy it at its full price. It's not a bad option considering the chances of getting something for up to 95% off. Also, if you end up paying retail on something, you can always get your money back by selling it on eBay and trying the auction again!

Quibids Strategies: Winning Tips

There are many different strategies that pros use to win on Quibids. However, there is no ultimate winning Quibids strategy. The auctions are way too unpredictable. You never know what other users are going to do, and just because a certain method works for some people doesn't mean you won't run into a few others who run up your bids. These techniques will help you survive, and the more you do the auctions, the better you'll get at saving.

1. Think Before You Bid: Don't Rush Into an Auction

The most important thing to do is think before you act. Watch auctions and see how they work, and find out how much items usually sell for. Get a feel for the way the auctions work. Always remember that even if you see an iPad sell for 50 cents, you shouldn't jump into an auction expecting the same deal! Always practice on smaller items first before going for the gold.

2. The Conservative Bidding Technique

The strategy many people use is to wait until the last second to place a bid. Many other bidders bid uncontrollably, throwing bids out there to stay on top. Patient bidders wait and watch others battle it out while only bidding at the last second. This takes time though. You should plan on sitting at the computer watching for a while. Depending on the item, it could take many hours.

3. The Intimidating Bidding Technique

This is a great technique that many people use to win. Strike fear into the other bidders by constantly outbidding them. If you immediately outbid others to stay on top at all times, the competition might give up. Plan on using a lot of bids this way if you are going for something big.

4. Timing the First Bid

One good way to time your first bid is to wait until the auction has a low amount of bidders. The less competition the better. If you have watched past auctions, remember where they usually end, but don't forget that final prices are always unpredictable.

A good technique some pros use is to jump into an auction really early while it has the least amount of attention. You could get to an auction before others already sank a lot of bids in and plan on going all the way.

5. The Best Day to Bid

This is never certain, but most people say Wednesday is the best day to place bids and Thursday is the second best. I would also warn you to stay away from bidding on weekends since way too many people are at home on their computers on the weekends. The more competition, the more you will have to bid to win.

There is no way to guarantee you will win big, but you can greatly improve your chances. One bid wins are very rare, but they do happen. Just play it safe and have fun bidding!

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Why So Many Scam Reviews?

Is Quibids trustworthy? Why are there so many people saying it's a scam? First of all, if you've read the above sections of this article, you should know by now that Quibids is not a scam.

Some people make statements before even trying a membership, so how would they know? I think that most of the people you see in forums and all over the Internet saying they got ripped off just weren't being smart with their bids. Here are some of the things you will hear:

1. "Don't do the Quibids scam! You never win! They steal your money with bids!"

I know for a fact that they aren't just stealing your money. I win all the time! Some people just come along and sign up for Quibids and think they can walk in and get a new high-priced super laptop with $50. The truth is that it's possible, but not very likely. So they throw all their bids away hoping to win. When these people lose, they throw all sorts of insults and negative feedback all over the web.

2. "Quibids is using bots as fake users to run up bids!"

Bots are a very big issue with most smaller penny auction websites, but Quibids is one of the top sites out there. If people see one person bidding nonstop, they might think it's a bot, but it could be someone going all the way until they have to use the 'Buy It Now' feature.

Also, lots of people say that people use more bids than an item is worth. It sounds stupid, I know, but a lot of people who have won free bid vouchers in auctions may go farther then people with paid bids. Free bid vouchers do not count towards the 'Buy It Now', so people may use many of these even if it seems the bids are more then the item's value.

****Added Complaints I've Gotten in This Article's Comments!****

Seriously, I got these complaints. This topic seems to bring out tons of mindless haters.

"Quibids stole $60 from my bank account when I signed up!"

They didn't steal. You paid. You don't have to be a member to view auctions, but to participate, you have to sign up for Quibids by buying a bid pack with 100 bids for $60. It says very clearly that you're buying a bid pack and not just signing up to get the three free bids.

"Don't trust Quibids! Never give out your bank or credit card info anywhere online!"

Seriously, this is the 21st century. If you haven't shopped online by now, you probably don't own a computer. Quibids is backed by the BBB, just like eBay and Amazon.

****Learn from these people (or laugh)****

Don't be shy! Check out the long list of comments this page has received. There are so many people getting pissed off and leaving complaints in this comment section. Go through it and laugh at some people.

You can also learn from these people's mistakes by seeing what went wrong for them and avoid those problems before you become a hater as well!

BidProApp for Quibids

UPDATE: This is a great app for those who want a bit of an edge in the auctions, but please don't expect it to win auctions for you. It is a tool to improve your knowledge of what's going on and you should only subscribe to it if you already know how Quibids works. I personally don't even use it anymore, but it's still a great app!

This software has helped tons of people win auctions on many penny auction websites. The BidProApp for Quibids was created so that you can see every bit of information about the items you are looking at, as well as the other bidders that are bidding on them. With the app, you can:

1. Know the Item

See everything you need to know about the item, including past auctions, what the final prices were, who won them, what time they ended, and how many bids it took to win.

2. Know Your Enemies

Instead of just seeing the last 9 bids, you can see all of them! See everyone who placed a bid on the auction and see how many bids they have spent on it so far. You can even look up the information on all the auctions they won or lost in the past!

3. See All the Statistics

The app loads right up on the browser and it works the best on Firefox. You will get easy-to-read charts showing average final prices and telling you the best time to start your bidding.

My two cents is that you should check out the app. You may have to wait on a waiting list for a couple of days, but spots open up all the time, and it may be worth it for you to get a bit of an edge during your bidding!

Leave a Comment (a Nice One!)

Is your bidding doing well? Are you having fun? Tell everyone about your experience and how much you have saved on your auctions! If you have any questions, go ahead and ask!

Before you bash . . .

If you are only here to slam Quibids and say it's a scam, then go to the "Quibids Scam Reviews" section above and you will most likely see what you did wrong.

Be nice and sociable!

Questions and Comments - Share Your Experience

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      @proof of scam 9 months ago

      That's not proof of scam actually. They have a feature called bid-o-matic, which allows you to bid automatically up to 25 times, a maximum of one time per auction. Now if you have further proof that the simultaneous bidding went for more than 25 bids, then maybe.

      Granted, I've never used quibids, I've looked at a lot of auctions and read a lot about it, and ended up deciding that it wasn't for me, at least not yet. I can't handle the adrenaline, and I know I will end up wasting money. But that's the catch, IT IS NOT A SCAM, however, YOU WILL LOSE (MOST LIKELY). If 100 people bid on an item, 99 of them will lose money. All the technicalities people think they're pinpointing as evidence of scams can easily be explained with the various aspects of the site like voucher auctions for example.

      Again, I'm not saying that their marketing is clear, it promises that 'you' will win items at a much lower price than retail, they actually don't mean 'YOU,' they mean 1 out of hundreds of people, a kind of contest for highly patient individuals. Cheers!

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      Proof of scam 13 months ago

      Checked many times: Quibids have robots bidding in sync (they could not put them random, idiots !) for 2 (maybe more) different items sold. The bidding was made simultaneous on both items in sync with the same names, at the same seconds remaining. What a scam ! Because nobody was bidding, they stopped at the same price. See pic:

      http://imgur.com/a/uJil2

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      Anonymous 16 months ago

      This article is written by someone who works for Quibids. Quibids is a scammer website using juvenile bait and switch tactics. Avoid them at all costs

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      hokicapsa88 21 months ago

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      anonymous 2 years ago

      Those of you defending QuiBids surely must work for them or are paid in some way to say the crap you have. QuiBids is anything but an honest website for those questioning their integrity/honesty. And, I am not an unhappy person who has spent a few bucks and now accusing them of being a scam because I have not won anything. I have had more than 3 years of experience bidding in QuiBids Auctions and all the others, and they are all the same, and if you want to believe they aren't scamming you then you are really dumb! When you ask them up front if they use BOTS in there auctions of course they will tell you no! But, in truth they all do! How do you think they can afford to auction high-end products if not making big profits. Penny Auctions make their money from you the real live bidder when buying their BID PACKAGES and the more you buy the more they profit, that's where BOT usage comes into play, to help drive the auction prices higher so that you will have to buy more and more bid packs if wanting to continue participating in auctions. It's all common sense if you just sit back and think it out and do the math. Luck has a lot to do with winning products from Penny Auctions, and I have won my share w/luck. And, If you bid long enough as I have been foolish to do, you will become experienced enough to recognize a BOT users name right off the bat. Bot "user names" if you observe closely and for a few days watching auctions, you will see a pattern of bidding that should alert you. BOTS bid against each other throughout the auctions.

      If you have never participated in a Penny Auction website, stay clear of them! They are all using BOTS and will deny their usage every single time you confront them about it. They will lie upfront without hesitation and I haven't any reason to lie, but I have reason to save you from spending your hard earned money in believing their crap. You can win things for pennies I have done it! But don't think luck didn't have a lot to do with it and after you become experienced enough in bidding you will win more often but you have to be smart and observe auctions before jumping into them. And don't get into bidding wars with other bidders, more than like you are up against a Bot or someone being paid to bid for that website. Believe the complaints you read they are valid and truthful. There are other places you can spend your hard earned money and have fun doing so.

      It takes only one auction win, to suck you in and in no time you will find yourself addicted so save your money and stay clear of all Penny Auctions, none are run honestly and with integrity and all do use BOTS, why do you think so may people jumped on the band wagon when these auctions started popping up overnight, because easy money could be had when using BOTS to drive auction prices high when bidding against live bidders who pay money to buy BID Packages which is where they make their big profit from. The more bid packs you buy the more profit they make! It's all common sense. I hope what I have shared with those wanting to know if these auction sites are scams be taken seriously for I have spoken truthfully having had years of experience and I wish, I had taken time to read what others had posted prior to my starting, I could have saved thousands of dollars, but what is important is I have learned there are ZERO Penny Auctions run honestly, otherwise they would go broke! They run these auctions because they have the edge, BOT USAGE, And Bots have an unlimited amount of bids at their disposal, LOL

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      Cata Lin 2 years ago

      hello,

      I found this article on how to win on Quibids, I am new to this, can anybody tell me if this is for real or not?

      here is the link: http://www.buzzfeed.com/quibids/quibidscom-guide-h...

      can it be that simple?

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      pennyauctionnrd 3 years ago

      I run the website http://www.pennyauctionsreviews.org and the blog http://beezidbonuscodes2014.blogspot.ca/ and I definitely say it is NOT a scam.

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      rattlehead666 4 years ago

      umm, OMFG, the amount of really stupid and tragically ignorant ppl on this thing has me questioning how humanity got past the stone age, it really does.

      i went to check out quibids at my wifes request, saw they wanted to charge me $60 USD for a starter pack, not rocket science, they ask for your credit card info, now why the hell do u think they do that if not to charge you??? not to mention at the TOP OF THE BOX U PUT UR CC INFO IN IT SAYS ITS CHARGING YOU $60 FOR A START PACK OF 100 BIDS, so anyone who states they had $60 'stole' from them is quite clearly a drooling moron, plain and simple, and any comments or reviews from them should be disregarded upfront for the simple fact that they have the brain power of a rock.

      anyway, so i seen it wanted $60, so i didn't sign up, but instead i did what i do best, and went on a research quest and found many, many, many sites which are basically the same thing, good guys like this one trying his best to break it down for even the dumbest ppl, and then a barrage of the dumbest comments i have ever seen in my life, usually all the same, ignorant crap, he shouldn't even have to explain some of these things to ppl, its common sense, not rocket science, and yet here you all are, like the tragic idiots you are, didn't bother reading his article at all (huge surprise btw) and went straight to bashing something that you in no way spent even a fraction of a second learning anything about, if you brainless wonders spent even a tenth of the time reading about it as you do crying over it, then you wouldn't had put yourself in such an idiotic situation, all of you should be completely ashamed of yourselves, ur lack of intelligence is not only flabbergasting, but insulting to the entire human race, i can't believe i share a planet with you fools, i hope to god aliens don't come here if they havet already, cus if they find you then we will be the laughingstock of the entire universe

      is it so hard to read b4 you click submit??? i assume u can read, but you know what they say about assuming things. . . .

      i have yet to sign up for an account, but if these are the morons i have to bids against, then i feel confident that i could actually get some good deals, of course i know how to read, and have been reading for a few days now, so even if these idiots arent bidding i still feel confident that i may be able to get something good for a good price, basically cus im not retarded. . . .

      and all you ingrates that can't read, but somehow can post, do the planet a favor and get spade or neutered already, last thing we need is more fools who refuse to use 2% of their brain.

      thx for the article man, sorry u have to put up with such stupidity on ur comments.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: my names nelson, im gay as a motherfudger

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: Are you serious? They offered to correct the situation with the purchaser who complained. What about all the other people that put a bid on the "TOASTER", thinking it was a "TOASTER OVEN"? I'm sure Quibids took i upon themselves to refund their previous bids also. (rolls eyes).

      If Walmart sent a toaster after ordering a toaster oven, I'm sure they would recognize their mistake and not claim what was ordered was actually something else. It's bait and switch, pure and simple.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: Do you guys really think someone would spend this much time defending a company he's not affiliated with. Haha. If you do then you deserve what you get. This isn't hate mail and I don't care either way about quids... just can pass an opportunity to encourage free thinking.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yeah, I agree that change does make auctions a bit harder since it was easy to go after items that no one wanted. The idea was to have a lot more items up so people had no problem finding something they want.

      THIS IS A GOOD WARNING!!!! Thanks for bringing it up, lol, A lot of people actually don't know this and sometimes accidentally switch the item without knowing.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Well I wrote this article so of course I'm going to correct people's misinformation and sometimes stupidity. I'm not getting paid to post comments on my own lens, and I'm not getting paid by Quibids, I just like winning stuff and wrote an article to help others.

      Also, I'm not the only one with positive comments here, there have been a few posts here that weren't mindless hatred towards Quibids. So if you don't trust me because I reply to my viewers' comments, that's just kind of dumb.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Quibids is not a scam, BUT they have changed their policy as of Oct 4, 2012. The new policy states that you are actually bidding to choose from a set of items.

      THIS MEANS EVERYONE IS BIDDING ON THE SAME THINGS! Do not overlook this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It seems like you have a chance, but you aren't just bidding against everyone who wants an iPad, but everyone who wants an iPad, or computer, or TV, or stereo, times 40+ different items. Obviously someone wins, and in the end you get to choose your product, and it may even be a great deal, but you end up bidding against 40x the number of people.

      For details on the new policy, see their blog or ask the help chat.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Am I the only one who finds it suspicious that there's one and only one person (tdnelson87) in the comments section defending Quibids? He smells of corporate PR guy who is paid to come on review sites and feed propaganda to everyone so people use the service. Don't buy anything this guy says.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: When signing up for Quibids, you have to buy a bid pack. You get a few free bids for also signing up for the weekly newsletter.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: It worked every time except the winning entry! and what's with this taking money right at the start, I didn't agree to that!

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Apparently you didn't read the signup form, you get free bids for signing up. To sign up you have to buy a bid pack. It doesn't hide any of that when new members sign up.

      Just because there are some weird names out there doesn't mean they're bots. As for the fast bidding rate, some people may have won token bid packs which don't cost them any loses, others may just be bidding all the way up to 'Buy it Now'.

      You should probably actually read my article above before you come in here calling it a scam. I'm happy with my winnings at Quibids. I've won a couple auctions that ended at 1 cent.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It is very dangerous to bid during the last 2 or 3 seconds in an auction. Depending on the connection stability, ping and server distance, it could take too long for the auctions' servers to receive a bid.

      Quibids deals with a lot of live action auctions and the site is pretty demanding on the ISP, a small hiccup with a person's connection can cause a loss. Never wait until the last second, and if you want to bid within the last 3 seconds, make sure your connection is fast and stable.

      And NEVER try penny auctions on a smartphone, unless you have a newer one with a 4G or WiFi connection.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Sorry, the auction ended before your bid could be submitted! which is a lie! plenty of time works every time except when the item sells! Absolute scam, I have a few bids left, they can stick them where the sun doesn't shine, I only get conned once, back to ebay!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I signed in as a trial with 3 free bids, I then found I'd been charged £35 for bids, I emailed Customer services to complain, got no reply so I thought I'd try it 4 separate goes each time on the last bid placed, mine was in plenty of time and I got a message, auction ended before bid was placed! The way it runs and the names there are either bots bidding to bring the price up or people bidding at such rates it would be cheaper to buy the thing, so yes I would definitely say there's aacam there, plus when they claim an item sold for 11p that's a lie, that's 11 bids at about 50p each £5.50 minimum and there's a lot of rubbish, I was forced to use the bids I was tricked into buying but couldn't find much what was any good.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It sucks to hear that, sorry man, that is a little odd. By different item do you mean you could choose another item that was is that same auction?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It happened to me... Same thing....... here is your partially refund and the others in bids....

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      It's a two way street! I won a cusiniart racilette grill. GREAT! they send a email saying its on the way! PERFECT. email saying my address is wrong! WTF. you guys sent two items before and my address has not changed! Quibids we are sorry the item you won is not available anymore..... different valued item or refund..... REFUND! I want my full refund @ssh0les, not part in quibid bid tokens!!!

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: So they made a mistake and offered to correct it? I don't see anything illegal, it is pretty inconvenient and I'd be pissed too though. I haven't had any problems like this with Quibids yet, actual stores like Wal-Mart mistakenly send incorrect items all the time, it doesn't make them criminals.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I have a very valid complaint about quibids. I won a toaster OVEN with my bidding, and they sent me a TOASTER. Now they say they made a mistake. Here is the exact explanation I received from Customer Service: "I apologize for the inconvenience! However, we have heard back from our shipping facility and they have informed us that this item is actually for a regular toaster and not a toaster oven. We apologize for this display issue. There are two options we can choose from for this issue. If you would like to keep your item, we can go ahead and credit your account with 50 free bids for this issue. However, if you would like to return this item, we can go ahead and set up the return process." This is called bait and switch, and it is not legal. I want others to know this is going on.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Sorry, I'm not sure if they'll refund it. Maybe. I think the terms of service says no refunds, but try emailing them, it's worth a shot. I'm sure some people got refunds after screaming for a while.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, only one person gets the amazing deal per auction, but there are tons of auctions everyday, you must find a time with the least amount of people online increase chances.

      And there's no risk involved unless you're just mindlessly throwing bids at random auctions, I have no problem paying retail price if I don't win something, I'd be buying the item full price anywhere else (though I admit it'd be a little cheaper on Amazon).

      I personally haven't used the BidProApp in over a year and I still do good with auctions from experience. I'm not stupid for trying to get good deals on stuff I want, just this morning I won a Turtle Beach Gaming Headset. Yes I said 'won', I would consider a gaming headset for a few dollars a win.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Can I get a refund for the unused bid on quibids?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: yes, but no matter how "smart" one is there will by the very nature of it be more losers than winning (although like one user wrote there is no "winning" since you are paying real money). and if everyone applied the same tactics, like getting the BidProApp everyone cancels each other out. Yes, it isn't stupid for those who walk away with amazing deals but 99% of people will not, even if they play it smart because still only one person can "win". So for the everyone else, it is a stupid thing to engage in. There is more risk and loss than there is success.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Haha, most likely not. Nobody likes to read anything anymore.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Playing at a casino is way different than penny auctions with the 'Buy It Now' feature. Sure you have to purchase at retail price if you lose, but that's better than completely losing everything.

      Gambling doesn't allow you the option of using your loses towards what you were trying to win. With Quibids, I can say "I want a new Xbox. I'm going to get one at retail anyway, might as well bid on it for a chance to get a huge discount on it!"

      I'm no suckerbob, I win plenty of auctions at here and I'm very happy. And no, I'm not an employee or anything for the sire, so I'm not just trying to trick people into joining. You don't have to like penny auctions if you don't want to, I wrote this article to help people understand how it works and give tips on how to win.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: That is a very good tip and one a lot of pros use, it is smart to wait until the auction reaches it's average sell price before you start bidding (especially on high priced items). The timer reset is also important, waiting until 10 second bid reset leaves less time for others to bid against you.

      I'm not going to call you an idiot or anything, your choice to not bid in penny auctions is fine, but bidding in Quibids isn't stupid if you play smart and use 'Buy It Now' if you don't win.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: It could be a lag issue, depending on how well your latency to the site is, it could be jumping around do to slower updates.

      Quibids is constantly updating and requires a strong connection to ensure accuracy. It shouldn't do jump like that and it doesn't for me, except when I'm on my phone using 3G.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: You know I love about the "news" video, is #1, they seem more like ads not really talking about how it works, NOT investigative reporting at all. #2, the girls when asked "did you anything?" said "no I clicked a link that took me to another site" and she missed out cause "that's how fast it goes" so she is reporting about this on the news and is not even paying attention to what she is doing. . great reporting.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Then again i guess they wouldn't bother READING the manual to PUT their underwear on.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      ive been observing the auctions on quibids and I get that every time a bid is placed it resets the timer to 15 seconds. but how come sometimes the timer stalls or jumps back and forth? for example I am watching it go 8,9,8,7,6,8,6,8,6,4, 8, 9 etc. and no bids were placed.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: haha, it is true and amazes me every time what people will spend their money on without even knowing what they are getting because the didn't read anything first. they just buy it cause they think they are getting a great deal. i am in the restaurant industry and people come in with their their GROUPON vouchers that they paid for online and ask me "what do i get with this?" I honestly want to slap them and ask them how they put their underwear on without a manual. the best part is, at the top of the voucher that THEY hand me in big capitalized bold print it says ONE APPETIZER, TWO ENTREES, AND ONE DESSERT. it is easily the majority by a wide margin that ask this question. Which means, they saw the deal, purchased it, printed the voucher, BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY JUST BOUGHT.

      SIDE NOTE: so funny, about to post this comment and the captcha is "twitbees" just like the people I described buzzing through life with the flight pattern of a bee. Bunch of twits. lol

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Well, TECHNICALLY quibids/penny auctions are not scams because they do not lie to you about how it works or what you can get. A scam is cheating someone when they were falsely informed of the operation. Being unaware because they didn't read the user agreement doesn't count. People who participate in quibids know what they are getting into, or at least should because it is clearly stated. however, the concept of buying the right to bid when only one person can win, is just plain stupid (for the user, not the site they are laughing all the way to the bank). I have never tried quibids (go on tell me im the idiot for having an opinion on it) but here's a tip for those of you who want to try it. Let everyone else do the bidding for you. Whatever it is you want to buy, research what's its closed for in the past. let it run up to THAT price (maybe even a little higher) and then start your bidding. And if people are bidding before it gets down to that last second, like if the timer keeps getting reset at say the 10 second mark, don't start bidding yet. Its nowhere near being over.

      You're welcome.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: yeah, well with profits like that, they don't have to sell to everyone, now do they! As for the Buy It Now feature, those people are paying RETAIL, so there you have it. The fact is, it is being represented on TV as a "penny auction"! PT Barnum said it best, there is a sucker born every minute. You are better off taking that same $100/200/500 to the casino. Chances of winning are about the same, it's funner, and you'll win bigger!! That being said, good luck to all you suckerbob's who will just disregard and waste your money anyway. You deserve everything you are not gonna get. Amway anyone?

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: ^That last comment was for Joy, thanks again. And thank you too, pjmiller44, for your positive comment! I don't let the hate comments bother me, I usually find them humorous!

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Thank you for the highly positive comment!

      I agree, it's amazing how many people skip important information and guidelines. I have A.D.D. too when it comes to reading, but when money is involved, you HAVE to know exactly what you're getting into!

      You're last sentence is right on. If you don't want to lose money, just go for something you'd like to buy at retail price anyway. It's like a "I'm gonna buy it, so I might as well try to get a huge discount!"

      So many people just sign up expecting to get their $40 iPad (which I did, but was really lucky and spent days researching auction activity). When people buy a bid pack just to throw it into high price item auctions hoping to get lucky, that IS gambling.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: What I find amazing is the amount of people who just will not read anything and learn about the process before they sign up. As soon as I READ that they wanted money I closed the web page and began to search it out. In my line of work with various tasks customers do like return packages or send a fax back to a company, everything will be right there in the instructions. Yet they look at me and say they don't know what to do because they refuse to READ anything. It is happening almost everyday. I can only imagine the amount of these type people who have signed up for this site never noticing the $60 fee. In my research I would say it reminds me of online poker or the lottery. I might try it but I will be informed and only bid on items that I have researched and that I am willing to pay full price for.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yes, that is basically correct, but Quibids doesn't always make $6,000 in these situations. A lot of people use the 'Buy it Now' feature to use their money in lost bids towards buying the item for retail value. Also, some bidders may be using some voucher bids, which are usually free or won in separate auctions.

      Most of the money they make is in people casually placing a few bids hoping they get lucky, or just unknowing bidders wasting away bids without fully understanding how the auctions work (which the site does an excellent job at explaining, but a lot of people don't listen).

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      If I understand this process correctly, say a laptop with a retail price of $700 is offerer for auction, and it finally sells for $100.00. That means there had to be 10,000 one penny bids to get it to $100.00. !0,000 bids at 60 cents each means that the company makes $6,000.00 for this laptop, and only one bidder get the prized deal.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Wow. Really UnforgivingTree?....He clearly explains the entire way these auctions (Quibids) appear to work. He shows how the company profits quite well from the sale, and warns of the risk of making too many bids at .60 cents each, which can add up if someone is stupid. If your question as to how someone can possibly sleep at night simply for posting information on how these auctions work and listing the caveats is any indication - then clearly you're one of those people who should never participate in penny auctions.....or perhaps, you're a retailer who overcharges in the first place.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: Thank-you for the excellent information....and for taking the time to share it with us! :) Ignore any negative comments....there will always be rude people who are too ignorant to understand when someone is simply trying to explain how the system works, and you very clearly warn us about the pitfalls as well as the positives. Very much appreciated!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @SmokeybonesJr: I agree, thankyou tdnelson87! I appreciate the info too!

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Every time someone bids, the price goes up one cent. If the timer runs out, the last bidder wins the item for the price it got up to. What makes Quibids so dangerous is every bid costs 60 cents, so you must play smart.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      So does the last bidder get the 'prize' or the one that bids the highest?

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      zan-soo 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Agree. It is much more like a lottery. You will save money only if you are the chosen one. Think about it logically people, many paid to participate but only 1 will win. That's call lottery. Also your cheap item is at the expense of other people moneys. Also there is no way to tell if Quibid hire people/bots to bid on their own items to raise the price up.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @SmokeybonesJr: Thank you! I like hearing positive comments!

      I'm getting used to all the Quibids haters on here, even though I wrote this to help people understand how penny auctions work and how to bid safely.

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      SmokeybonesJr 4 years ago

      Excellent information... thank you very much.... Smokeybones

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: Really? Do you think asking me how or why is some sort of clever retort? And yes, dealerships and casinos alike. Legitimate, indeed. The only reason these "businesses" are considered legitimate is because the ignorance and stupidity that fuels them cannot be held against them. Oh yes, and saying, "but they do it, too!" doesn't excuse you or this outfit from being immoral. I wonder how you sleep at night knowing you're telling lies and giving people false hope. Unless, you are as hollow and avaricious as the best of them.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Can you explain what you are considering stupid? Penny auctions are now a legitimate market style, and Quibids is backed by the BBB. Sure, people can be stupid about auctions and waste money if they aren't smart about it, but it's no worse than other business models that have been out there for decades, like car dealerships.

      And another thing, I don't work for Quibids. My job doesn't depend on their success.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Wow, humanity's stupidity never ceases to amaze me. And Im sure you appreciate it too, tdnelson87. Your job depends on it. Work hard for your money, do you? It's a good thing there will never be a shortage of greedy sellers and brainless consumers in the world. Ah, life.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      I apologize about this Lens being down for over a month, Squidoo's auto-filter thought it was spam because most Lenses about penny auctions are just spammy promotions covered in links.

      Finally, I got a hold of the Squidoo team and had the Lens put back up because this lens has actually information, tips and details about Quibids. Everything on here is useful and true.

      Thank you everyone who has 'liked' the Lens and contributed to the comments section. And as for you who spam the comments with SCAM remarks, just go back up and reread the Lens. Thanks!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: If you are stupid enough to think that you information is not already on the net you are the one who needs to sit in the corner and never go out the house again.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @tdnelson87 lm: LOL ^^

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: when you sign up, you AGREE to purchase a bid pack for $60.00 --- Its in the terms.. maybe you should read what you're signing up to before jumping in, and then complaining that you lost money.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: That's great to hear! It's good that you are practicing on smaller items. You're right, higher priced items always get the most attention.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Craigslist is popular for people who like to manipulate people into signing up for stuff. Someone must have just been trying to get signups with their referral link. This doesn't make Quibids a scam, it's Craigslist being a black hat haven.

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: You've never paid for anything online? Welcome to the 21st century.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Folks...... why are you giving up your bank info over thr internet?

      Mistake number one!!!!!

      Now go sit in the corner!!!!!!!!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Well it is a scam for certain. On Craigslist, there are daily ads for iphones, ipads etc. claiming to be local and a good price but when you email inquiring, a message comes back saying sold but they won several on Quibids. It has happened repeatedly. Congratulations Quibuids, you are officially internet trash....

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I Just tried Quibids for one day; I loved it. Yeah I am still learning, but I won a 10.00 walmart card for 1 cent & 2 dollars shipping. I was the only bid because several bidders were duking it out for the 50 dollar gift cards. I lost others, but mostly I was just watching :)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I bet u do

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: This is Robyn again. My computer just froze up re-loading the next page after I put in my bank info. I didn't get the blue box that says I was buying a bid pack. It went right to You Bought A Bid Pack. I never went anywhere on there site after that except to support. Today they did refund my money.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I will tell you how the person below, like me, just got scammed out of $60. When you go to the site for the first time it says that you get to try it out with three free bids. I have been on ebay auctions for years and have over 200 positive feedbacks. I thought I wanted to check out this site. After all it would give me three free bids. I went ahead and put in my bank info and instead of giving me three free bids it automatically deducted $60 bucks from my account even though I did not check mark the Buy Bid Pack. It had a checkmark beside 3 Free Bids. Don't count of 3 Free Bids. They will just steal $60 from your account.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Silly goose nobody actually reads the terms and conditions xD

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Please, if you're going to claim they are scammers, give us a little bit of a story about what happened to you.

      You're just saying they stole $60 from you. I don't go screaming at a Bingo Hall for stealing my money if I didn't win anything. Also, the 'Buy It Now' option is still there...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Read the positive comments. They are written by the people stealing your money! You are not even bidding agents anyone. A computer is just outbidding you. It doesn't have to pay.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      The site is a scam. They stole $60 and it's a joke. Stay away from this site!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Thinking the same. Not going to even attempt the site.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I'm beginning to think it is a scam.I am reluctant to buy anything because most items come from the US so regardless of what I pay for it I will have to pay Canadian taxes and duty costs.In the end I will end up paying more than the item is worth at full value.Its just as well to go to the mall and do my shopping where I don't have to compete to buy something.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Quibids is a scam - and I can't believe I fell for it. To lose $67.00 to bid on two small dollar ($4.00 - $8.00) items because you try to outbid is ridiculous. I didn't have fun. Take the slam - you're making a fortune out of us poor suckers.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I read the "terms and conditions" policy before I signed up. Are all you participants residents of Australia?

      By accepting the Terms & Conditions and/or registering with QuiBids, You confirm that You are at least 18 years of age and that You can engage in a binding contract, and that You meet all other eligibility requirements contained in these Terms & Conditions. By using QuiBids, You warrant that You have the right, authority, and capacity to enter into this agreement and to abide by all of the Terms & Conditions.

      You must reside in Australia. To the extent that you cease to be resident in Australia or are located outside Australia, You shall not be entitled to participate in any auction.

      QuiBids employees and their family members (defined as parents, spouse, siblings and children) and any persons residing in the same household as QuiBids employees may not under any circumstances participate in QuiBids auctions.

      QuiBids products and services are offered exclusively to private users and not to commercial or semi-commercial retailers.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      If not a scam then very misleading. Apparently "Free to sign up" means that after you make the $60 purchase that is required to sign up they don't add a sign up fee. They advertise bids for $.60 cents, not mentioning the minimum of 100 bids & they offer "free bids" for a variety of things, but NONE of this happens until you put out your first $60.

      That much misleading information stopped me from going a step further, but the sign up process at least is a load of hooey.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      A âScamâ is defined as a âfraudulent or deceptive act or operationâ. QuiBids is a scam because it has hidden or misleading rules and practices that take advantage of the fact that their users don't have full knowledge or awareness of its practices when they participate. For example, each bid increases the price of the product by only 1 cent but QuiBids charges 60 cents for each bid and each new bid also extends the bidding time to allow others to continue to bid, so that a bid that may be set to close in a few seconds can actually be extended by hours! Smartmoney.com reported that QuiBids recently auctioned off a Canon digital SLR camera for $194.16, which is admitedly much less than the retail price as they say, but that final sale price represented 19,416 bids, at an average 60 cents per bid, racking up $11,650 in fee income for QuiBids. So QuiBids is more like a lottery than an auction.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yep you got it

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      So, first time at a site like this, If I bid once and win it cost me $.60 even if it is the 50th bid,(not $30) but if I bid 10 times and lose it cost me $6.00

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: daft question from daft person

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Not a scam, win lots myself

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Yawn!!!! Wot a long boring comment.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This is such a bad scam. I don't know why they even still run commercials.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      So how much kickback are you getting from Quibids to write such a shill piece for them?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: please tell us how to bid? how do you place the last bid? how many times do you bid on an item? i think you have no idea how you won?

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      tdnelson87 lm 4 years ago

      @anonymous: The BidProApp does give you an edge, but that doesn't mean that those with it will completely own the auctions. The app is used to pull up extra info that Quibids hides, for example, you can see all the people who have bid on the current auction so far and get an idea of how heavy the competition is.

      The idea of the waiting list is to keep those with an edge to a minimum, and you don't have to 'waste' money bidding in Quibids. Like I said...

      "I always suggest to never go for an item unless you are prepared to use the Buy It Now feature. That saves losing auctions from being a total waste of money.

      I basically just look at Quibids as a way to buy something and have a chance to get a good deal or even basically free. I had an unusual winning streak last week for some reason, won like 5 items each between $100 to $200 for under a dollar with only a few bids. I do advice others not to expect this kind of luck though."

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: The BidProApp does give you an edge, but that doesn't mean that those with it will completely own the auctions. The app is used to pull up extra info that Quibids hides, for example, you can see all the people who have bid on the current auction so far and get an idea of how heavy the competition is.

      The idea of the waiting list is to keep those with an edge to a minimum, and you don't have to 'waste' money bidding in Quibids. Like I said...

      "I always suggest to never go for an item unless you are prepared to use the Buy It Now feature. That saves losing auctions from being a total waste of money.

      I basically just look at Quibids as a way to buy something and have a chance to get a good deal or even basically free. I had an unusual winning streak last week for some reason, won like 5 items each between $100 to $200 for under a dollar with only a few bids. I do advice others not to expect this kind of luck though."

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: The BidProApp does give you an edge, but that doesn't mean that those with it will completely own the auctions. The app is used to pull up extra info that Quibids hides, for example, you can see all the people who have bid on the current auction so far and get an idea of how heavy the competition is.

      The idea of the waiting list is to keep those with an edge to a minimum, and you don't have to 'waste' money bidding in Quibids. Like I said...

      "I always suggest to never go for an item unless you are prepared to use the Buy It Now feature. That saves losing auctions from being a total waste of money.

      I basically just look at Quibids as a way to buy something and have a chance to get a good deal or even basically free. I had an unusual winning streak last week for some reason, won like 5 items each between $100 to $200 for under a dollar with only a few bids. I do advice others not to expect this kind of luck though."

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: The type of auction you are referring to is the "You Choose It" auction. All those items are for the same auction, you just choose your prize when you win it. There is no scam going on in that area, you should have made 100% sure what you were doing before you spent all your bids.

      I'm sorry about your loss, but they really have no reason to refund your money. What id you DID win? There's the possibility that they would've given you a TV for dirt cheap.

      Also, you were bidding on a high ticket item before you even know how the site works? That's a huge mistake, and one see a bunch of people making. Just like the section of this article about people leaving "scam" reviews, you have just become one of those people.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Nelson, I think tA. Krane has the right of it. You said yourself that if you didn't have the pro bidding app, you would leave Quibids; you said that if I go to the link for the app, expect to wait in line (what, for a user to die?) to get it, as the writers of the app do not want too many people having this "edge". Well, son, going on that auction site where people have that edge is sort of like going up against John Wesley Hardin with a butter knife. The people who have this "edge" are taking advantage of those who don't, and making them waste money, while the "edge" people get stuff for ridiculous prices. I would strongly suggest to Quibids that they ban this sort of software and permanently ban those who use it. I am one of those stupid Liberals who like a level playing field.

      I would be a fool if I went in and bought bids and bidded against pros like that...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Rubbish, I win all the time, easy when you apply your brain and don't get sucked into bidding wars.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      There is a recent(?) change that makes this an unacceptable scam to me.

      Many unrelated items "nearly the same in price" are lumped together for bidding purposes. You may be bidding on one single item, but the bids from other people *for other items* outbids you on your item!!!

      I was bidding on a TV and noticed that people bidding on an Apple iPad would cause my bid on the TV to be outbid. Huhn?

      They have a blog page item that describes this "auction" and "bid" process, but it is not covered in the Terms and Conditions page. Nor is it described in their "how bidding works" page - nowhere in the FAQ, etc.

      When I confronted their support with screen shots, and asked for a full refund of my initial $60 (for the first set of 100 penny bids), they would only give me a refund on the "unused" bids after a lot of pressure.

      Well, since all my actual "bids" were wasted in ways that are counter to the way auctions are supposed to work, I wanted all my initial money back. Which the support person was unwilling to do inspite many e-mails - which I have kept (along with screen snapshots and printed output from their web page)..

      So, I filed a dispute with American Express (which they will be very good about - unlike the credit card ompetitors) and a negative report at BBB (lot of good that will do!).

      Avoid Quibids like a plague, folks!!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: The people who created penny auctions are genius marketers.

      The people who bid and waste money need to learn how to bid.

      The people who bid and win are, well, me. Happy me.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I want a MacBook Pro too, lol, but I never try to win one on Quibids. Huge items, ESPECIALLY Apple products, get the most attention and are hard to win.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: That was a very detailed and informative message! It is mostly true, but for the part about losing money, I always suggest to never go for an item unless you are prepared to use the Buy It Now feature. That saves losing auctions from being a total waste of money.

      I basically just look at Quibids as a way to buy something and have a chance to get a good deal or even basically free. I had an unusual winning streak last week for some reason, won like 5 items each between $100 to $200 for under a dollar with only a few bids. I do advice others not to expect this kind of luck though.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This isn't a scam, though it should be considered taking advantage of a human's brain and how the mental pathways are wired up. Casinos, night clubs and even strip clubs and brothels have been taking advantage of this for CENTURIES and it is about time that the internet caught up.

      They are called "Chips", "Tiles" or "Tokens" etc, and they are all essentially the same. You buy them first with real money and then use them in place of the real money in their games or for tips to the dancers or for drinks. Just one step away from the actual money and people suffer such extreme disassociation that they don't realize or mind that they are paying more than regular, normal price.

      Example, Time buys 50 tokens at 2 dollars apiece from the cashier at the club, because the club claims then the bar and the wait staff don't have to deal with change. Seems reasonable enough.

      Now Tim has spent 100 dollars he can't get back, no refunds for unspent tokens, so might as well use them. They are likely shiny and have the logo of the club printed on them.

      3 tokens for a beer? Meh, they're just tokens.

      tip the waitress a shiny or two as well, cause she smiled and her posterior wiggled nicely in the tight pants and heels she wears.

      That beer and tip cost Tim $10 bucks and he isn't even thinking about it, he's getting drunk and his ability to do math is declining as fast as the tokens in his pocket.

      I heard a story in the US about a man, who turned 21 and got his parent's Credit card and managed to burn through approximately Twenty-Thousand Dollars in one night at a gentleman's club, or titty bar for the uninitiated, because he was getting drunk on expensive alcohol and using tokens. He was handing them out like they were pretty trinkets, forgetting they were expensive pretty trinkets.

      Now, knowing what I know about Quibids from reading all the comments and watching the main action page, here is my take on it.

      If the auction starts at $0.01, you have to place a bid for that, the bid already cost you $0.60, (assuming you just started). If no one else bids, then you're not out that much, and whatever you bid on was a really good deal.

      Lets take the $10 Gift Card I saw on the main page last night.

      If it was just two people bidding, each one alternatively upping the other, then the moment the bid price hit $0.20 then that means both bidders had used ten bids, and at $0.60 a bid, then they had both already spent $6.00 each and still had not won it. Quibids was already $12.00 up from their actions.

      It ended at $0.37. That's 37 bids at $0.60 cents apiece for the privilege of actually buying an item worth $10 at the price of $0.37.

      (37 x 0.60) + 0.37 = $22.57 for a $10 gift card.

      Now, in their defense, that gift card cost them $10.00, probably, and they have all the site traffic fees and maintenance and employee wages and other bills, but it's an aggregate system and with all these items being sold at every hour of every day, they didn't lose any money on that one auction. Actual Profit on that auction I would estimate occurred somewhere around when the item hit the $0.24 mark.

      Its not illegal, its not technically a scam. All the numbers are right out there for you to see, its just between the disassociation problem, and the fact that the current generation is bollocks at Math, that this kind of thing happens at all.

      They wouldn't want you to actually throw away real money on each of those bids either, because then the item would have had to hit $0.44 just to cover the cost of the gift card and $0.66 to realize the same gross, give or take a few cents.

      After the bid reaches $0.60 or more, on a larger item say, Flat screen TV. Then, the paying for bid is in the customer's favor, they can't keep losing money at exponential rates. The loss is a flat $0.60 each time they outbid someone else.

      It would be cheaper and more transparent, but the the steep learning curve would wake more people up to how much money they were actually throwing at this item; the last thing ANY business would want you to see.

      What you'll never hear from anyone who is successful in getting the winning bid, is how much they spent in bids for not just the winning bid, but for all the losing ones.

      And from the people who use all their bids and rarely have anything to show for it, you'll never hear that either.