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Marvel's Shattered Heroes

Updated on July 20, 2012

The Shattered Heroes Marvel Must Mend

The world is now broken, torn asunder from a fear-inspiring all-father and 8 "worthy" gods who brought their wrath to Midgard, Earth. As an eye toward hopelessness scans the horizon, it is time to reconcile the wrongs:

It is for the Shattered Heroes to make amends.

In October 2011, as the Fear Itself event concludes, comic book readers have learned there will be another breathtaking saga unfolding in the Marvel Universe. Called Shattered Heroes, there is no true indication to the level of density and overall crossover of the events.

In this article, we'll be following the Shattered Heroes Marvel event with news updates and information. As it begins and progresses, you'll be able to follow along with a chronological Shattered Heroes Reading List.

Prerequisite Knowledge for Shattered Heroes - It's a good idea to now what happened.

Prerequisite Information for Shattered Heroes
Prerequisite Information for Shattered Heroes

As stated, Shattered Heroes is where the heroes pick up the pieces and resume their lives after Fear Itself, but it might also help you to notice the following (these are Fear Itself Spoilers, by the way.):

  • When he was Nul of The Worthy, Hulk destroyed his own Hammer. This also freed Nul to roam the world.
  • The weapons of Uru crafted by Tony Stark were re-melted at Svartalfheim; they no longer exist.
  • Thor was killed when he slew The Serpent.
  • Captain America's shield was shattered by The Serpent, but later reforged in Svartalfheim. Now it has cracks in it, but is said to be more resilient than ever.
  • Bucky, who was wearing the Captain America costume, was seen wounded and reportedly killed by Skadi; Steve Rogers is now wearing the star-spangled mantle again.
  • Odin appears to have banished all the Asgardians from Odin-Space and now they're stuck on earth.

The Shattered Heroes Reading Order - A Summarized Listing of The Shattered Heroes Story

Shattered Heroes Reading Order. Fear Itself #7, excerpt.
Shattered Heroes Reading Order. Fear Itself #7, excerpt.

(Oct 19. 2011) This will be the main section of this landing page for Shattered Heroes

In the aftermath of the earth-shaking battles of Fear Itself, Asgardians Weapons still remain. The Hammer of Skadi has been quieted away by Captain America, but there are others still hidden around the world. What happens next is the final saga of the earth's fear. For Whosoever holds the hammer of .... Well...you get the point.

Prologue

000 Fear Itself #7 The epilogue of this issue becomes the prologue for Shattered Heroes.

  • Sin, formerly Skadi, is recovered by mysterious allies who revive and convince her to find the missing Hammers. This becomes the Fear Itself: The Fearless series.
  • Hulk and Bruce Banner somehow separate and no longer share the same host. This becomes the new Incredible Hulk series.
  • An unknown named Marcus Johnson becomes the most wanted man alive and the greatest secret in the world, culminating in the series Battles Scars.
  • Nul, now free from his Hammer, threatens the world and Hulk appears at the doorstep of Dr. Strange. This because the beginning of the new Defenders series.
001 Fear Itself #7.1 (Captain America's Story. This a detailed account of the Sunday Wake for Bucky Barnes. It also introduces the Winter Soldier series. Here's a spoiler)

002 Fear Itself #7.2 (Thor's body is laid to rest. Freya returns. Tanarus, God of Thunder appears.)

003 Fear Itself #7.3 (Tony Stark confronts Odin over all the deaths in Paris. Odin...well, he shows Tony some smackdown.)

004 Fear Itself: The Fearless #1 (Valkyrie and Sin begin their quests for the hammers. Believing the rightful place of the weapons to be in Asgardian hands, Brunhilde fights War Machine and steals The Hammer of Skadi from the Secret Avengers Quinjet; meanwhile, the daughter of the Red Skull puts Crossbones in play to locate the rest. This issue shows a frame of Mettle and early Hawkeye costume in Washington D.C. sifting through wreckage, which suggest this is very soon after the final Showdown with The Serpent.)

005 Avengers Academy #21 (Known as the Second Semester Series. Welcome Students. Captain America, Luke Cage and Hawkeye show up at West Coast Avengers Mansion. Pym officially renames it Avenger's Academy Campus in this issue. The key indicator for placement here is Hawkeye's costume. In this issue, he's wearing the old version, but in Captain America #6, he'll be wearing the new. [Thanks to Vrogan, for pointing this out.])

Invincible Iron Man #511, excerpt
Invincible Iron Man #511, excerpt

Shattered Heroes, Chapter 1: Stark's Recovery

Facing The Demon

By the end of Fear Itself, Tony Stark had returned to drinking; he had lost his way when confronting the All-Father, Odin, and resorted to intoxicating himself in the midst of trying to save the world.

That single act - the moment he broke his recovery from alcoholism - is now hounding him at this stage in the Shattered Heroes event. The primary villains are Obediah Stane and The Mandarin.

006 Invincible Iron Man #510 (Demon, Part 1. Stark melts the weapons and heads back to Stark Resilient with Splitlip. After working out a deal, he plans on having the Dwarf making inventions for him. Later, they both head to an AA meeting to deal with their alcoholism. He learns that AIM scientists are in the middle of an attack and changes to Iron Man to stop them. Later, Tony is subpoenaed to give up the suit's biometric data. Intertwined with this story, Stane has Blizzard destroy two desalinization plants in Abu Dhabi, creating a water crisis for a later purpose. )

007 Invincible Iron Man #511 (Demon, Part 2. It's the day after his battle in #510, and Stark is relating his legal issues to the members of Stark Resilient. Meanwhile, Mandirin and Stane are collaborating on taking him down; Stane noticed that Tony's chest unit is fractured or broken and can't be fixed. To measure the damage, they send Living Laser who's charged up. They battle and Tony is beaten pretty bad. In the backdrop of the story, Bethany Cabe and Pepper Potts are squaring off against each other and learning to work things out. )

008 Invincible Iron Man #512 (Demon, Part 3. Stark is rushed to the hospital after the fight with Living Laser, but their techniques would harm someone with his physiology. He escapes and regroups. Meanwhile, the Mandarin's plans are underway; his alliance, though, is starting to fracture as he pushes Stane to complete the Dreadnoughts before schedule. By the end of the issue, those weapons are about to attack China.

009 Invincible Iron Man #513 (Demon: Part 4. Iron man joins with Dynasty, a Chinese Avengers-like group, to fight the Dreadnoughts, but they become overwhelmed. War Machine suddenly appears to lend support. Sensing they are on losing ground, the Chinese decide to bomb the area, declaring a political victory. As Stark prepares to head home, Rhodes tells him he's been sent to escort him back...not a request. Tony prepares for the worst, meanwhile back in the Mandarin's lair, Stane has been upgrading many of Iron Man's worst villains as they prepare for Phase Two.)

010 Invincible Iron Man #514 (Demon: Part 5. Tony gives up truckloads of his data to confound the authorities while he plans his next move, but is confronted with governor-tech that he's imposed to wear, giving them the power to shut off his suit. In the middle of a battle against Whirlwind, he's turned off an unable to follow the villain, meanwhile, The Melter is on rampage downtown. Tony believes he has a counter-attack plan, but will it really work?)

011 Invincible Iron Man #515 (Demon: Part 6. While Tony and Pepper try to get to Rhodey, Melter, Whirlwind, and the Living Laser take him out. They are too late and War Machine appears to be dead. Secretly, though, Tony uses his technology to keep him alive. Now that Tony's drunkiness, Pepper's humilation, and Rhodey's death are public information, Tony prepares to start an undercover counter-attack against the Mandarin and Stane.)

The Mighty Thor #8, excerpt
The Mighty Thor #8, excerpt

Shattered Heroes, Chapter 2: Asgardian Heroes

And Just Who is The God of Thunder?

With Thor, now dead, the former Asgardians and heroes lay their brother to rest in a funeral pyre. What happens as a result becomes this story, wherein a new God of Thunder takes the stage and it seems like he was always there.

012 Journey Into Mystery #631 (Loki deals with the aftermath of his decisions and realizes he is being forced to make a pact with the All-Mother. They indicate that they could reveal all the terrible and manipulative things he has done. There is a reference here about Thor and Tanarus, but Loki's adventure makes greater sense before Thor's ordeal. [Special thanks to Jim for working it out.])

013 Journey Into Mystery #632 (Christmastime with Loki and the former Asgardians.)

014 Journey Into Mystery #633 (The Terrorism Myth, Part 1. Specific children are dreaming about the Castle of Dark Asgard, including Loki. Damian Hellstrom appears in this issue and it hasn't been determine if this is before or after The Fearless series.)

015 Journey Into Mystery #634 (The Terrorism Myth, Part 2. Loki and Damian battle, but join forces when they find the true culprit of the killing dreams.)

016 Journey Into Mystery #635 (The Terrorism Myth, Part 3. Loki figures a way to deal with the dream villain to save the victims.)

017 Journey Into Mystery #636 (The Terrorism Myth, Conclusion Loki's master plan and a battle of fear.)

018 Mighty Thor #8 (The Mighty Tanarus, Part 1. The secret of Tanarus, God of Thunder. Don't want to reveal too much here because it's all part of a Spoiler.)

019 Mighty Thor #9 (The Mighty Tanarus, Part 2. Continues immediately from #8.)

020 Mighty Thor #10 (The Mighty Tanarus, Part 3. As Asgardia begins to form, Heimdall tells the All-Mother that there are things shielded from even his eyes. He approaches Tanarus but is soundly thrashed. Elsewhere, Thor and other "dead" gods are about to be destroyed by the Demogorge. With his Hammer awakened, he summons it and it returns to his hand. The true God of Thunder regains his resolve and prepares for battle!)

021 Mighty Thor #11 (The Mighty Tanarus, Part 4. Silver Surfer and Loki work to unravel the mystery and war is unleashed on Asgardia as it ascends. Tanarus is revealed. Thor awakens the dead gods.)

022 Mighty Thor #12 (The Mighty Tanarus, Part 5. Thor returns and battles for the fate of Asgardia.)

Captain America, Losing Faith
Captain America, Losing Faith

Shattered Heroes, Chapter 3: Powerless

Captain America, Losing Faith

From the Fear Itself teasers, we were told to expect many changes near the end; one of them showed us Captain America, crumpled to the ground with a broken shield and said "Do You Fear A Loss of Faith?"

In Shattered Heroes, this becomes the theme. Steve Rogers is now dealing with the aftermath of the world-shaking Serpent War, but is also facing a power problem. During his dreams, he has episodes where he reverts back to his scrawny physique. If you have the time, it is highly recommended to read Captain America #1-5 (2011), the "American Dreamers" story, which adds (in my opinion) necessary details.

The principle antagonist in the series appears to be Queen Hydra (not to be confused with Madame Hydra). In Captain America #6, she mentions Madame Hydra and Gorgon have gone their separate ways. There is also a reference when Hawkeye says Bucky is dead and Natasha is on leave, putting this story after Fear Itself #7

023 Captain America #6 (Powerless, Part 1, but doesn't have the Shattered Heroes banner. Steve wakes from the tormenting dreams over a series of weeks and has tests run on him by Tony Stark.)

024 Captain America #7 (Powerless, Part 2, and has the Shattered Heroes banner.)

025 Captain America #8 (Powerless, Part 3, Cap reverts to his former self.)

026 Captain America #9 (Powerless, Part 4, Stark tries to cure Steve while Sharon Carter and Falcon look for more answers.)

027 Captain America #10 (Powerless, Part 5, Sharon uncovers vital information from Machinesmith and Captain America reemerges empowered.)

Shattered Heroes: Chapter 4 - The Avengers and the Return of an Old Foe

New Avengers 16.1, excerpt. Shattered Heroes
New Avengers 16.1, excerpt. Shattered Heroes

028 Avengers Academy #22 (Second Semester: Disappointments. Cyclops, Magneto, and their team visit Pym and the Academy to ascertain the mystery behind Jocasta's death.)

029 New Avengers #16.1 (Norman Osborn escapes from The Raft during transfer. He frees Dr. Wentworth (Superia) and heads to a secret location.)

Special thanks to Jim: In the forums, Jim found some very critical makers that really set this part of the Reading Order right. Thanks Jim!

030 Avengers #18 (Takes place after Norman Osborn is free. The Avengers are regrouping after their last major battle and now their trying to determine who will remain in their ranks. Also note that Hawkeye is in new costume for chronological purposes.)

031 New Avengers #17 (Norman plans an attack on Stark Resilient in New Jersey to gain Iron Man's armor, but fails. Instead, he acquires a sample of Wolverines DNA.)

032 New Avengers #18 (A recap issue of the previous week, where Norman rebuilds his Dark version of The Avengers.)

033 New Avengers #19 (Iron Man and the team's encounter at Stark Resilient resumes with them picking up the pieces after battle. Back at his lair, Norman continues influencing his own Avengers and tells them he has "a man on the inside". At the end, both team meets in the aftermath of a fight; Norman's group is victorious just as the New Avengers arrive.)

034 New Avengers #20 (Cage and his team face Norman's Avengers. The entire fight takes place in this issue until one side escapes...and is faced with another threat.)

035 Avengers #19 (The sanctioned Avengers rebuilds their team. Osborn steps forth in the media to confront them.)

036 Avengers #20 (Led by Captain America, the team splits up to locate Osborn, but ends up in a series of ambush encounters.)

037 Avengers #21 (Continuing from Avengers #20, each of the members confront their aggressors, but are systematically taken down. Special Note: Iron Man referred to his New Avengers encounter with AIM agents at Stark Resilient.)

038 Avengers #22 (The U.S. Government now faces Osborn's plans as he manipulates public outrage with Social Media.)

039 Avengers #23 (Captain America is part of Madame Hydra's negotiations with U.S. Government on Osborn's behalf. Avengers are breaking free from their capture. Also shows Avengers Mansion being stormed.)

040 New Avengers #21 (Continues from New Avengers #20, BUT this is where the Government storms Avengers Mansion, meaning some of the issues are running simultaneous. Osborn harnesses social media to take down Cage's team.)

041 New Avengers #22 (Continues from New Avengers #21. Luke Cage and team on the run. Cap is still a prisoner of Madame Hydra.)

042 New Avengers #23 (Continues from New Avengers #22, but has to take place after Avengers #23 for obvious reasons. This is when Captain America is finally freed.)

043 Avengers #24 (Avengers vs. Osborn. His new powers revealed.)

044 Avengers Academy #23 (Second Semester: Second Chances. X-23 joins the Academy.)

045 Avengers Academy #24 (Second Semester: Family. Huberto begins leading Academy people to the Hybrid Dire Wraith; he's trying to save his future. At the end he has second thoughts and raises the alarm.)

046 Avengers Academy #25 (Second Semester: Class Reunion. The members of the Academy fight the Dire Wraith. Does not have a banner but continues the story arc.)

047 Avengers Academy #26 (Second Semester: Career Day. Jocasta's Secret Plan revealed. The Academy students now decide which road leads to the greater goal.)

Shattered Heroes: Chapter 5 - The Fearless, Battle Scars, and More...

Fear Itself: The Fearless #1, excerpt. Shattered Heroes
Fear Itself: The Fearless #1, excerpt. Shattered Heroes

Within the scope of Shattered Heroes, Fear Itself: The Fearless and Battle Scars occurs, but does not have specific chronology markers. To make best of what's been happening so far, we go off editor Alejandro Arbona's words that "they are sister series", inferring that their stories are simultaneous. In other words, this section is highly fluid until more information can be gleaned to put it in it's rightful place. If you have information, don't hesitate to leave a message below. I'm always checking in.

048 Fear Itself: The Fearless #2 (Valkyrie arrives in Transylvania for Nul's Hammer and encounters Raizo and The Forgiven; Crossbones is in France and goes after the Hammer of Mokk; he has an encounter with people who want to be returned to stone, indicating this occurs after Odin reverted Paris to normal.)

049 Fear Itself: The Fearless #3 (Continuation from Fear Itself: The Fearless #2. Valkyrie vs. vampires vs. Secret Avengers.)

050 Battle Scars #1 (Starting from his presence in the War of Afghanistan to present time, we meet soldier and veteran Marcus Johnson, a man whom with a unique destiny.)

051 Battle Scars #2 (Continues from Battle Scars #1.)

052 Battle Scars #3 (Marcus and Cheese hunt down a lead to Taskmaster, later finding a location. When he arrives, Deadpool ambushes him, but before he can kill Marcus, Taskmaster arrives. In a stroke of planning and luck, Marcus defeats Taskmaster and goes for information, but not before a band of supervillains show up to attack.)

053 Battle Scars #4 (Marcus barely survives the encounter, but not before SHIELD shows up. At the end, he is confronted by none other than Nick Fury.)

054 Battle Scars #5 (Marcus finds out about his heritage, learns who his enemies truly are, and what they want.)

055 Battles Scars #6

056 Fear Itself: The Fearless #4 (Valkyrie drops off Nul's Hammer and then infiltrates the Baxter Building; Sin and Crossbones head under the sea for Nerkkod's Hammer and face Namor.)

057 Fear Itself: The Fearless #5 (Continues from #4. Valkyrie in the Baxter Building while Crossbones storms The Raft.)

058 Fear Itself: The Fearless #6 (Sin and Crossbones attack Project Pegasus, the face off against Dr. Strange, Damian Hellstrom, Iron Man, Captain America, Hawkeye, Spider-Woman, Mockingbird, and Wolverine. This is likely to occur before Strange joins with his Defenders. Valkyrie heads to Fallen Asgard and speaks with Freyja.

059 Fear Itself: The Fearless #7 (Continues right after issue #6. The battle at Project Pegasus continues; this appears to be the Hammer of Greithoth they are warfaring over. Suddenly, in the middle of the fight, Damian Hellstrom betrays his team and helps Sin gain the upper hand. Wolverine nearly kills Crossbones until Damian steps in and their entire team disappears with the weapon.)

060 Fear Itself: The Fearless #8 ( Hellstrom with Sin and Valkyrie goes after Kuurth's Hammer on the island of Utopia.)

061 Fear Itself: The Fearless #9 (Valkyrie vs. Storm. And the Shield-Maiden of Odin's true secret is revealed.)

062 Fear Itself: The Fearless #10 (Sin becomes The Final Sleeper and faces Avengers and FF at end.)

063 Fear Itself: The Fearless #11 (Avengers unite to fight The Sleeper, but to no avail.)

064 Fear itself: The Fearless #12 (The conclusion of Valkyrie and Sin's battle. New alliances and more.)

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The Defenders #1 (2012), cover
The Defenders #1 (2012), cover

Shattered Heroes: Chapter 6

The Defenders vs. The Black Hulk

As the adventures of Dr. Strange, Namor, and their assorted crew of superheroes coalesces, a machine of great chaos and destruction is forming. The Hulk appears at the Doctor's doorstep warning him that Nul, Breaker of Worlds is loose upon the Earth and set to level it. This series appears best after the Journey Into Mystery series because the Silver Surfer appears whole. It also works best before Incredible Hulk #1 because the green gargantuan leaves them in Defenders #1, and appears weeks or months later, with a beard, in Incredible Hulk #1.

Also recommended with this series are Defenders: Strange Heroes #1 (One Shot), Defenders: The Coming of The Defenders #1 (One Shot), and Defenders: Tournament of Heroes #1 (One Shot). (These huge issues were released at the same time and form great compilations for the series.)

Since part of the promotional for the recent Defenders series is the inclusion of this additional issues, it's a perfect time to get acquainted with some of their historic and original material.

If you want to see what else is coming out, check here with the Amazon Defender's Catalog. Personally, I recommend the The Essential Defenders, Vol. 1., a huge storehouse of information that shows how the characters came together and some of their personal issues.

Essential Defenders, Vol. 1 (Marvel Essentials)
Essential Defenders, Vol. 1 (Marvel Essentials)

If you want a huge introduction to the team that never was, this hardbound book will surprised you with it's 22 issues. It contains stories from each of the hallmark characters, collecting Dr. Strange #183, Sub-Mariner #22 and 34-35, Incredible Hulk #126, Marvel Feature #1-3, Defenders #1-14, and Avengers #115-118.

 

065 Defenders #1 (The Hulk enlists the aid of Dr. Strange, Iron Fist, Namor, and She-Hulk as they embark on a battle to stop Nul, The Breaker of Worlds. Hulk leaves them to keep from bonding with the evil entity.)

066 Defenders #2 (Continuation of Defenders #1. The team is captured by Prester John, who wants Nul to succeed.)

067 Defenders #3 (Continuation of Defenders #2, and concludes their encounter with Nul.)

Shattered Heroes: Chapter 7 - From Below! The Incredible Hulk

Incredible Hulk #1 (2011), excerpt
Incredible Hulk #1 (2011), excerpt

At this point in time, The Incredible Hulk series appears to happen after his venture within The Defenders, and due to that interpretation, Incredible Hulk is placed at the end of the Shattered Heroes event.

068 Incredible Hulk #1 (Hulk: Asunder, Part I. Hulk, now separated from Banner, goes beneath the earth and lives with the Subterraneans. Banner now lives on an island and is mutating animals for some purpose.)

069 Incredible Hulk #2 (Hulk: Asunder, Part II. Hulk turns down a request to hunt Banner while Banner's experiments track him down.)

070 Incredible Hulk #3 (Hulk: Asunder, Part III. Now confronted by Banner's Monsters in his own domain, Hulk decides to join the Mad Squad against him.)

071 Incredible Hulk #4 (Does not have a Shattered Heroes banner. Hulk and Mad Squad go after Banner.)

072 Incredible Hulk #5(This issue explains how Hulk and Banner got separated. That's what it's part of this event.)

Shattered Heroes was announced at the San Diego Comic-Con in August 2011.

Shattered Heroes Message from Tom Brevoort, SVP Executive Editor

The war is over, and the warriors return home, carrying with them scars of battle, both physical and mental. Now the cost will be tallied, the casualties buried and mourned, the rubble swept up and carted away. But the damage to our heroes isn't easily repaired, the wounds not easily healed. Decisions are made and lives are changed-can shattered heroes find renewed courage to go on?"

- Tom Brevoort, SVP Executive Editor

The Shattered Heroes Reading List
The Shattered Heroes Reading List

Shattered Heroes Checklist

Issues which will be reflected in the Shattered Heroes Event

The Shattered Heroes event is pointing to a list of solo issues mostly focused on Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man, but we already know that they are not exclusive to this event. When a title below is finished with Shattered Heroes, it will be changed to bold.

Fear Itself: The Fearless #1-12 (First release was October 19th, 2011.)

Fear Itself #7.1 (One-Shot) - Captain America

Fear Itself #7.2 (One-Shot) - Thor

Fear Itself #7.3 (One-Shot) - Iron Man

Battle Scars #1-6

The Defenders #1-3

The Incredible Hulk #1-3, 4-5 (#1-3 are parts of the story "Hulk: Asunder"; #4-5 explain how Hulk and Banner were separated.)

Invincible Iron Man #510-515 (#512-514 do not have the Shattered Heroes banner, but they are part of the Demon story arc. #516 starts a new story arc and is not included here.)

Journey Into Mystery #631-636 (The Terrorism Myth story arc.)

Avengers #18-24

Avengers Academy #21-26 (Issue #20 is a Fear Itself banner event.)

Captain America #6-10 (Issue #6 doesn't have a Shattered Heroes banner, but it turns out it's Part 1 of a multi-part story that goes into the event.)

The Mighty Thor #8-12 (The Mighty Tanarus story arc.)

New Avengers #16.1-23 (I consider it a part of the Shattered Heroes event because it shows what Norman Osborn does in the aftermath of his escape. Big big issues.)

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If you're new to comic books or a big fan, your opinions here regarding the Shattered Heroes Marvel Comics event is appreciated. Feel free to tell us what you've heard or seen; it's always good to know more. And if you see any errors or have any critiques, let me know. I'll fix it up quickly.

The Trail of The Hammers (Shattered Heroes Spoiler) - This information gives you a chronological trail to follow.

Shattered Heroes: The Trail of The Hammers
Shattered Heroes: The Trail of The Hammers

This section gives you a listing of the Hammer locations as they are found, gathered and moved. There are eight total:

The Hammer of Angrir

It turns out that this weapon was in the hands of Reed Richards in the Baxter Building. In Fear Itself: The Fearless #5 The Thing allows Valkyrie to acquire it without a fight. Sin reacquires it in issue #10.

The Hammer of Greithoth

This weapon showed up under the care of the people at Project Pegasus. In Fear Itself: The Fearless #7, The Avengers faced Sin's force and were betrayed by Damian Hellstrom; they took the Hammer and departed.

The Hammer of Kuurth

Unknown as of yet, but in Fear Itself: The Fearless #1 Steve Rogers comments that he is in possession of most of the Hammers. Valkyrie acquires it in a battle with Storm in issue #9, but Sin gets it back in issue #10.

The Hammer of Mokk

Fear Itself #7: The Hammer flies from Mokk to an unknown location on the earth.

Fear Itself: The Fearless #2: Under Sin's direction and with the help of an arcane locating device, Crossbones retrieves the Hammer in Paris, France.

The Hammer of Nerkkod

In Fear Itself: The Fearless #4, Sin and her team are able to destroy a mammoth-sized whale, withdrawing the weapon from it's stomach after an encounter with The Sub-Mariner.

The Hammer of Nul

Fear Itself: Hulk vs. Dracula #3 Hulk destroyed the hammer, leaving it broken in Transylvania.

Fear Itself: The Fearless #2: Raizo acquires the pieces and then turns them over to Valkyrie after a sword match. Sin and Crossbones reacquire it after blowing up Valkyrie's longhouse in issue #10.

The Hammer of Skadi

Fear Itself: The Fearless #1: While the Hammer is in Steve Rogers' possession aboard a Secret Avengers Quinjet, Valkyrie attacks War Machine and steals it. Sin blows up Valkyries house and gets possession of it in issue #10.

The Hammer of Skirn

In Fear Itself: The Fearless #5 we learn that it was kept under guard in The Raft until Crossbones and his team raided the prison and stole it.

Tanarus, God of Thunder - Thor's Replacement?

Tanarus, The New God of Thunder
Tanarus, The New God of Thunder

At the beginning of the teasers, we were left to conclude that Thor died and he was being replaced. With that in mind, it explains this teaser released by Marvel Comics.

Namely, Tanarus, The New God of Thunder.

After the series, we now know that Tanarus is part of a ruse between The Goblin King and Karnilla, The Queen of Norns. His appearance is part of a magical spell that was enacted during Thor's funeral; part of the effect it to cause nearly everyone to forget Thor ever existed. In truth, this new Thunder God is Ulik the Troll in disguise. (Ref. The Mighty Thor #8 (2011))

Shattered Heroes Spoiler: Captain America Picks The New Avengers - Prepare for the new guard.

Avengers #19, excerpt. Captain America picks the new Avengers in Shattered Heroes
Avengers #19, excerpt. Captain America picks the new Avengers in Shattered Heroes

Captain America and Iron Man revealed the new members of the Avengers in Avengers #19, which released on November 16, 2011, as part of the Shattered Heroes event. They are, from left to right: Ororo, the mutant known as Storm; Daisy Johnson (Quake), a level 10 SHIELD agent; Tony Stark, The Invincible Iron Man; Spider-Woman; Captain America, obviously; The Vision, who was recently revived; Red Hulk; The Protector; and Hawkeye.

Shattered Heroes Updates

Last Update: 07/11/2012.

This event is now concluded. If you see any discrepancies, let me know.

07/11/2012. The Updates section is now being move to the end of the article. After some reviews and observations, it appears this Reading Order is now good to go. I had one last bout with Jim, who made a great argument about putting Loki, and Journey Into Mystery before the Mighty Thor series. Well done!

07/05/2012. Jim found a really good set of chronology markers and submitted a perfect order of events in the Avengers/New Avengers section. It's been updated and "Thanks Jim!".

05/03/2012. Just read Iron Man #516, and it starts a new Story Arc. The Shattered Heroes event is now over by my account.

04/26/2012. Updated the Reading Order, removed the Release List, and now I'm going to run a check and see if Iron Man #516 needs to be part of this event. If so, it will be the last issue of Shattered Heroes.

04/19/2012. Updated this week's Reading Order and monthly checklist.

04/12/2012. Updated this week's Reading Order.

03.29/2012. Updated Reading Order, Checklist and now doing a review to look for inconsistencies. Let me know if you see anything; you've all been great help!

03/23/2012.Updated the Reading Order. One last issue for Fear Itself: The Fearless is coming soon.

03/15/2012. Updated the Reading Order as we get into the last 30 or so days. This event is about to conclude and make way for the Avengers vs. X-Men event.

03/12/2012. Updated the Reading Order and Trail of The Hammers section.

03/05/2012. Updated the issues for this week and also added a couple issues to the Hulk story line. (They were too important to ignore.)

02/27/2012. Added issues to Reading List/Reading Order. Avengers Academy concludes. March will have the final issues and we'll wrap it all up in the next 30 days.

02/21/2012. Updated Reading List and Release List. Everything current right now.

02/09/2012. Added a few issues released this week to the Reading Order. Still need New Avengers #21.

02/07/2012. Vrogan and Ilyich added important information to the Avengers Academy issues which can't be ignored. We'll follow their Second Semester story arc until it ends. Added information with those issues in the Reading Order sections.

02/06/2012. Added Avengers Academy #25 with some wise words from Ilyich.

02/05/2012. Added Fear Itself: The Fearless #8 and Defenders #3 to the Reading Order.

01/27/2012. Updated the Reading Order (there was only one issue) and added a bunch of titles in the Release List. This addition comes thanks to username: Marvel who gave me the post. The help is much appreciated!

01/23/2012. Picked up copies of Fear Itself: The Fearless #7 and Invincible Iron Man #512. Also updated the Hammer Tracking section. This event seems to have many issues that aren't carrying the banner, but need to be included.

01/21/2012. A single issue arrived on the 18th and it is incorporated into the Reading Order. From the looks of things, the chronology appears very stable and I don't see much more "rearranging". (Thanks to Vrogan and the rest of you for keeping in touch.)

01/14/2012. Updated the Reading List and worked on some of the chronology to make a few new sections.

12/31/2011. If it wasn't for Vrogan I'd have made a crucial error. Thanks for catching Fear Itself: The Fearless #5. It's in and implemented. Also updated the Spoiler Sections.

12/30/2011. Updated Reading List and revised it to discount Captain America #6 since there's no relevance..

12/23/2011. Updating the Reading List. The Shattered Heroes event appears to be focusing mostly on Avengers and New Avengers, which is the midst of facing their old nemesis, Norman Osborn. More to come...

12/15/2011. Updated Reading List.

12/10/2011. Updated Reading List with a couple of issues.

11/25/2011. Updated Reading List and added some info.

11/18/2011. Added another title to the Reading Order. Seems caught up.

11/17/2011. Updated Reading Order and added spoiler.

11/10/2011 Added some new comic books to the Reading Order.

11/04/2011 Updated Reading Order with Fear Itself 7.1, and yes, I' wrote an article about this.

11/03/2011 Updated Reading Order. Added a Prerequisite Knowledge and "Trail of the Hammers" section..

10/27/2011 Added a few issues to the Reading Order. I'm preparing to separate the page as sections dealing with each of the unique heroes. I need a little more data first, though.

10/19/2011. Prepared the Reading Order section and I'm gathering the titles right now!

09/30/2011. Added Release Schedule. Updated Countdown. Not many of the issues are available for location, but believe I've got a pretty good list for the next couple months.

10/28/2011 Added Avengers Academy #20 because it's a great prologue for this event.

Your Shattered Heroes Comments - Opinions on the Marvel Shattered Heroes event welcome.

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      Touchdown91 5 years ago

      On the cover of Avengers #18 it says "shattered heroes" ? Do you think it connects with the reading order ? :p

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      Touchdown91 5 years ago

      Incredible hulk #1 also has Shattered Heroes written on it :p

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Touchdown91: Thanks, I'm on it! (Appreciate your help.)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I know it didn't exactly go to print, but there is a Fearless issue 0. Would that fit in anywhere?

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You're not the first person that's mentioned that to me; glad you brought it up.

      I checked the Marvel.com and marvel wiki sit: there is no Fearless #0. What happened was a group of people, or a person, created a version of the comic book that is three separate stories from previous comic books. If you've seen it, it should have Sin, Crossbones, and some other villain or hero. But it's a fake.

      If I'm wrong, please let me know. But this is what I've learned after doing some research. (I've been wrong before, but when I heard about a Fearless #0, that threw me for a loop.) Good luck, my friend!

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Wow. Let me double-check that!

      Okay, did quick look-through. I see her and, in my opinion, she has a scowl on her face. That means she's unhappy.

      Things are still fluid with this Reading Order, but based on your observation, I'd say Fearless, the series, will start after Avengers #18 (and I'll move it after new avengers #18 and avengers academy, too.)

      Thanks for picking that image out. It changes the whole perspective.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      â¢Odin appears to have banished all the Asgardians from Odin-Space and now their stuck on earth.

      How's about, ".... they're stuck on Earth." ?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: You are correct. I hadn't gotten very far in the reading of Fear Itself at that point, and I've been going through it now, and the very first scene is actually from Secret Avengers #14.

      It just kind of confused me because the comic /did/ show up on my Marvel app for Android, and as mentioned before, not having read the comics that it was made of.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Thanks Billy. Appreciate the catch. I'll take care of that right now.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      So there's this book I have called The Fearless #0. I got it before Shattered Heroes started and was wondering if you've seen it and where it fits in. Thanks!

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: One of my other buddies alerted me to Fear Itself: The Fearless #0; I've looked into it.

      Basically, it appears to be a hoax. It's an issue made up of 3 other previous issues. One of them comes from Sin, another from Crossbones, etc...they've all been previously released..

      I've also checked with Marvel.com and the wikia; there's no catalog for the issue you're mentioning and according to distributors, there is no such issue.

      Good luck on that my friend, and if you learn any information that contradicts what I've told you, let me know.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Thanks a lot. Yeah I did have trouble finding proof of it being real. Damn tricky digital distribution!

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      Hey blaze I am trying to get a complete list as of right now for shattered heroes where can I look.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      also is this a short event?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      New Avengers 19?

      Any reason why most of the Avengers books aren't really getting the Shattered Heroes banners? They all seem pretty linked as direct fallout from FI.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I know what you mean. I have the issue but I'm trying to see where to place it. New Avengers #19 needs to go after an issue where Iron Man/Stark fights Ultron.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi David,

      Right now, I'm debating how to handle The Incredible Hulk series just like you. Issue #1 is the only one that actually has the Shattered Heroes banner, but #2 and #3 could be considered the continuation of that story. In my opinion, it's no good leaving off in the middle of a story, so I'll probably put it in.

      Thanks for dropping by, let me know if you see anything going on that I miss, my friend.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      What happen with Fear Itself: The Fearless #5?

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: WHOOPS. Thanks, my friend. Fixing it right now.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Would New Avengers 20 be placed right after New Avengers 19? (It does continue that particular arc.)

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: My records show that issue comes out on Jan. 11, 2012. Do you already have a copy? And yes, when I get it, I'll fix it right up. Let me know if you have the info, my friend.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: New Avengers 20: The Collective Part Four can be found here: http://www.filecrop.com/41559715/index.html Like squidoo (and your lenses too, BC) FileCrop ( http://www.filecrop.com/ ) is a most excellent resource, to be sure.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Splhcb,

      Thanks for the info. I pulled a reference check on New Avengers for "The Collective, 1 through 4. That series ran in New Avengers (2004). The Recent New Avengers series started in 2010. Check this like from the Marvel website: http://marvel.com/search/?q=new+avengers&c...

      Still, thanks for keeping in touch. Keep an eye on me, I'm not above making a mistake.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      Hey blaze thanks for the list, I think for me any ways maybe change the color of the titles so that even through they are bold are a little bit more noticeable. Also any idea when shattered is supposed to end? Have you heard if they are going to create a sequel to the sequel for FI.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      Hey blaze thanks for the list, I think for me any ways maybe change the color of the titles so that even through they are bold are a little bit more noticeable. Also any idea when shattered is supposed to end? Have you heard if they are going to create a sequel to the sequel for FI.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      Blaze,

      Two things. First is that you do not have fear itself: FF on the fear itself page. Second is the issue avengers academy vol 20 which is part of the FI series also attaced to the shattered series

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: Hey Icedraco,

      I double-checked your comments. The Fear Itself: FF #1 is actually listed as "026 Future Foundation #1", which I will fix. (Thanks for noticing that error.) On the Avengers Academy #20 appearance in both Fear Itself and Shattered Heroes, I felt it could apply to both events independently. What's your opinion; personally, it's listed as a Fear Itself event, but as you can see, it spends more emphasis in the Shattered Heroes theme by focusing on the takeover of West Coast Avengers HQ.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Blaze,

      To be honest I have not yet started reading shattered I just got the issues that have been out yesturday except a few they did not have.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: You caught me while I was in the middle of revamping the sections. I decided to pull Avengers Academy #20. Your comment caused me to rethink my position. Besides, as long as it's picked up and read in Fear Itself, it won't be a problem. Thanks again!

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Blaze,

      Could you please send me a link or pic of the issues that do not have the shattered heroes border on them, because it is kinda to figure which issue i needed since there are a few issues with vol 1 on a few of the tittles. I would greatly appreciate it.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: No problem. I'll get that to you today.

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      Blaze,

      Is J.I.M. # 633 part of Shattered?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Just a heads up, your numbering goes a little wonky as of Battle Scars #1.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: Yes, it's included as of January 14th. Your email showed up while I was updating the page. :)

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Oops, yep. Thanks for catching that. On a side note, I'm still a little skeptical about the ordering in that area as well. I'm waiting to see some chronological markers that put them definitively where they belong. Thanks again.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: (Decided just to make an account, easier.) Yeah, I'm in that area in my reading now (Just finished Fearless #5, about to read #6 and AA 23/24.) and there doesn't seem to be too much coherence between the titles as far as chronology goes.

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      Nightside909 5 years ago

      Ok, so i know i getting really specific, but i read somewhere that Spider Island Takes place after Fear itself, but in Avengers 19 (Shattered Heroes) One of the people when they show the new lineup says "What about spider-man? Is it because of the outbreak?"

      So i guess my question is, does spider island take place in between Fear Itself and Shattered Heroes, i didn't think there was that much time in between, could just be a writers error, im interested to see your take on this.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      In Avengers Academy 21 Hawkeye use his old costume, so I think that story should be in the prologue

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Nightside909: Excellent question and here's what I've uncovered.

      Awhile back, after following some of the twitter accounts of Marvel editors, I learned that that are okay with some chronological discretion. While they like to keep things in order, their primary concern is letting their writers build high quality stories. (I mean, let's be honest, Peter Parker barely has time to breath between New Avengers, FF, and his other titles, but people love him.)

      That said, here's the chronology:

      Fear Itself started Monday and lasted through Friday. A week later, Spider-Island started Monday and lasted through Friday; during that time, they buried Thor, Tanarus appears, the enchanted weapons are melted and so on.

      My only beef about the whole thing is...well...Manhattan. Since all the writers live around there, they make it the epicenter of nearly everything. (Yeah, I'm being a bit dramatic.) It's just a stretch that the city was devastated by Skadi, and then a week later is plagued by mutated spiders. The place should be rubble.

      Anyhow, I just re-checked Avengers #19 and you have a good eye. That speech bubble can really only suggest that the Avengers reformed "at least" a week after The Serpent was killed...

      ...and during that week, well, everyone had eight legs.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: You are...100% right.

      I was trying to move all the Avenger-related material into a single section, but your argument is flawless. Furthermore, I can push it back there because Captain America #6 has Hawkeye in his new costume.

      Thanks again, Vrogan. Good call.

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      Nightside909 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Thanks! haha things can get a little weird with all the events.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @Nightside909: Yep.. that kind of oversight seems to happen when you've got three events going on at the same time. :x

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: you´re welcome. And now we just have to asume that everything else (spider island, schism, children´s crusade, forever, etc) is taking place between the prologue of shattered heroes and the rest of the story. Hawkeyes´s costume is the key jejeje

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Fearless 7

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      Invincible Iron Man #112 is (obviously) a continuation of the Demon arc and seems like it could very well be implemented in with the other issues.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm picking my issue up Monday. I'll have it up shortly thereafter.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: I agree; I was just reading that issue last night. Personally, I'm not sure how they can put half of the "Demon" story arc as Shattered Heroes but leave out the resolution. Don't they think we'll want to know how it ends?

      I'll have it up this by this evening, Monday the 23rd.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      February

      AVENGERS ACADEMY #25

      DEFENDERS #3

      FEAR ITSELF: THE FEARLESS #8

      BATTLE SCARS #4

      CAPTAIN AMERICA #8

      JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #634

      NEW AVENGERS #21

      AVENGERS #22

      FEAR ITSELF: THE FEARLESS #9

      INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #513

      AVENGERS ACADEMY #26

      MIGHTY THOR #11

      AVENGERS #23

      NEW AVENGERS #22

      March

      FEAR ITSELF: THE FEARLESS #10

      CAPTAIN AMERICA #9

      JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #635

      AVENGERS #24

      BATTLE SCARS #5

      FEAR ITSELF: THE FEARLESS #11

      INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #514

      NEW AVENGERS #23

      THE MIGHTY THOR #12

      April

      BATTLE SCARS #6

      CAPTAIN AMERICA #10

      FEAR ITSELF: THE FEARLESS #12

      JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #636

      INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #515

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Marvel, thanks for your invaluable list. I'll update it and give you full credit. Appreciate you doing that work and pulling out the titles. Right now, I'm getting ready for the Avengers vs. X-Men event.

      https://hubpages.com/games-hobbies/avengers-vs-x-m

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      blaze,

      Marvel states that new avengers 21 comes out in jan but what about 20? its not on the list so does it not pertain to the story

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: That's weird, I picked up New Avengers #20 on a January 11th release. I've got it up right now. What probably happened was somebody typed it in wrong. The New Avengers #21 issue should release next week, Feb 08.

      Btw, the New Avengers issues don't actually carry the Shattered Heroes banner, but the story arc, in my opinion, is significant because the group reforms after Fear Itself.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      It has an AvX banner, but I'd probably put AA #25 in, as it continues (maybe finishes, haven't read it yet) from the last issue.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: I see what you're saying. Issue #25 continues from #24. It kinda messed me up because it didn't have a story title. But you're right and I'll get it in there.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I think avengers academy 26 is also part of shattered heroes because is the conclusion of the second semester arc. The number 25 can't be the end.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Amazon says the Second Semester trade is 21-27, so take that as you will

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Yeah, it's too bad they didn't simply push the Shattered Heroes banner across the entire story instead of a few issues. And I don't like cutting off a story before it's over.

      Anyhow, I'll follow Second Semester to the conclusion; that's the way it should be. I'll go back and label the story arc in the Reading List to reflect the intention. Thanks guys.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I just read Avengers Academy 26, and i confirmed that is the best conclusion for the story.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm reading it right now. Sounds good. And thanks for checking up on that.

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      iamtimware 5 years ago

      Hey Blake, love your comic book lens man! Some great work and research there! Over the past year or so Ive been putting together a complete Marvel and DC Event Chronology/reading order since the 60s for Marvel/80s for DC. Not all of which Ive read through myself so going by general consensis of a few sites and what sounds like professional comic book talk out there to get 'the ideal reading order'. Your work here looks pretty detailed and conclusive. Wondered if you'd mind/want to take a look at my findings so far. Got it all in a word document if you want to take a look? Also, is that something you might consider doing in the future (a complete marvel event chronology since the 60s) or will stick to just going forward from Fear Itself?

      Talk to ya soon!

      T

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      icedraco 5 years ago

      I am sooo far behind due to my surgery I just got all of Feb. issues this past Wednesday wow I have a lot of reading to do.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @iamtimware: Hi there. I came across this list of X-Men comics with over 3000 titles. Maybe it will help with your marvel section of chronology.

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      iamtimware 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey man, yeah I'd be keen for a look. Can you paste the link. Cheers mate!

      Let me know if you're keen for a squizz at my chronology so far - you might be able to shed some light on it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi Blake

      I was wondering, I know that the issues after 3 of Incredible Hulk don't have the Shattered Heroes banner, but the story doesn't conclude at 3 clearly.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @iamtimware: Sounds great! You can send me stuff through this site, but I have to let you know, I'm on a heavy workload right now. Besides The Superheroes List project, I also have another job. Glad to look at your content, though; I'm glad to hear someone is up to the task. That's a tough project.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey David,

      You are correct, and I believe it's issue #5 where we finally learn who separated Banner and Hulk. I've been fighting, back and forth, on whether to add those extra issues in. Technically, the "Asunder" story arc is finished, but the story itself, is not.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi there,

      I have a question, Where Avengers Childrens Crusade fits in all this?

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @anonymous: It doesn't, it is basically its own contained side-story.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      Quick thing about Chapter 4. I think it would be better to have Avengers 22 and 23 before New Avengers 22 (or even before the New Avengers issues) mainly because it's supposed to have happened before Osborne's Avengers and the New team clash, hence why the Capekiller division is at the mansion before Cage's team returns there.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: There are two chronological markers I'm using right now with Avengers/New Avengers:

      1. The seizure of Avengers Mansion. (AM)

      2. Captain America's capture. (CA)

      AM happens in Avengers #23 and New Avengers #22 (or at the end of #21), putting those issues in sync. In both issues, the crowd is surprised that militant forces have arrived, and in both instances, those forces are claiming to "Seize the Mansion.".

      The CA marker is still hard to pin down. Cap is captured in Avengers #22 (or at the very end of Avengers #21), and remains bound to a chair until Avengers #23, where he is used as a negotiation hostage in the desert. In New Avengers #22, Cap is also seen bound to the chair. This suggests that Avengers #22 and New Avengers #22 are in sync.

      Anyhow, what I have shows this:

      Avengers #21 - Cap and team attacked and captured by the end.

      Avengers #22 - Cap and team captured.

      New Avengers #22 - Cap is shown captured. Capekillers seize the mansion.

      Avengers #23 - Cap is taken out to desert. Capekillers seize the mansion.

      It's still spotty, I know. But the capekillers sync up in New Avengers #22 and Avengers #23. (Of course, I'm still ready, or open, to change it at a moment's notice.)

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Ilyich is right.

      In the first issue of Avengers: Childrens Crusade, the editor makes an apology for discrepancies because the story won't fit right with the events of Fear Itself, Shattered Heroes and all the rest of the stuff happening.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @icedraco: Glad to hear you're back. Hope surgery went well, my friend.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Hm. Yeah, that does make sense. I guess now that I think about it, the two titles are sort of telling the same story from different vantage points, and having it that way (at the moment) seems the best chronologically.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, I'm just going by memory here, but in Avengers Academy 22, whenn Magneto comes to the school, I believe Hawkeye was there. But you've placed AA22 after Avengers 21, where the Avengers, including Hawykeye, are captured.

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      FloridaDino 5 years ago

      Brave man undertaking such a complicated checklist! Great for us readers though, so many thanks...

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Oooh. Give me a few days to check that out. Good eye!

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Took a look at the issues you mention. You are entirely correct; I'm pushing Avengers Academy #22 to the front of that grouping. Check the revision and tell me if you see any further discrepancies. Thanks greatly for your help, David!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      is there a tentative date when this series is going to end?

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Well, that's a good question, Dino, and here's why Shattered Heroes is kinda strange.

      Technically, the event is already over if you ask Marvel. What I'm doing is finishing it right. I won't leave loose ends in my Reading Orders unless it makes complete sense. Take the Incredible Hulk: only issue #1 was officially "Shattered Heroes", but I added the other issues because they complete the story.

      That's also why I pay close attention to people like you and others who leave me messages; if you see an issue that belongs here, but Marvel doesn't list it, let me know.

      On a side note, more directly answering your question; I feel Shattered Heroes will end once the Captain America and Battle Scars stories are concluded.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, yeah I'm also figuring it all ends with Cap 10 and Battle Scars 6, the only thing that I don't like is the Incredible Hulk story, it doesn't have a definite end. I read issue 6 and 7, and it's in 7 that the battle between Hulk and Banner concludes. What do you think about that?

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      Just a quick thing, I noticed you don't have JiM #636 listed. It should be, has both the banner and concludes the "Terrorism Myth" arc.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: oh wow.

      yeah thanks very much.

      if not for you, i'd probably really be annoyed with this event not knowing what's included or not.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: Hey Ilyich, good to hear from you buddy. I'm glad you caught that because I actually had down that I implemented that issue. I'll fix it today.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I know, the Incredible Hulk series also has me a bit confused. You could technically keep going through the issues because no one (except Marvel, probably) knows what's going to happen to Banner and his now-separated alter-ego.

      I'm wondering if The Incredible Hulk is going to end as a mini-series; if that happens, I'll have to consider using all the issues in Shattered Heroes.

      If you glean any info, let me know. Take care, my friend.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Another thing, I was looking at the solicitations for the next few IIM issues, and while it looks like up to at least #520-521 continue/finish this Mandarn/Stane vs Stark story but the 'Demons' trade has it listed as #510-515, so 516 might not be needed.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: That's what I needed to know. I was going to look up #516 today and see how pertinent it is to the "Demon" story line. Realistically, I'd like to go as far as the conclusion of Stark's confrontation with Stane and The Mandarin, but for the purposes of the event, it'll probably make more sense if I wind down Shattered Heroes now that all the other titles are finished. Thanks again.

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      Ilyich 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: Agreed, and no problem. Anything I can do to help. :)

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @Ilyich: Just wanted to chime in that you were correct. I read IIM #516 this morning and it starts a new story arc. I was wishing Stark would have broken out of the slump he was in, but it looks like that part of his life will carry past Shattered Heroes.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      First of all Great work sorting everything out! - just a few things -

      Journey into mystery should take place before Mighty thor. The narration talks about Tanaurus but says that it (journey into mystery) has 'its own important unfinished business.' Meaning that the Mighty Thor arc is not 'finished business', it hasn't happened yet.

      The Avengers/New avengers arc goes like this:

      Avengers #18

      New Avengers #17-20

      -Iron Man fends off an attack at Stark Resilient, identifies AIM as responsible

      Avengers #19-23

      -Iron Man is back at the mansion in issue #19

      -issue #20 has him remark that osborn must have teamed up with Aim based on the tech he saw with the New

      Avengers (NA #17-19).

      -Issue #23 has negotiations with the president leading to Federal agents storming avengers mansion.

      New Avengers #21-23

      -Issue #21 has the federal agents storming avengers mansion

      -Issue #23 has Skaar free Captain America

      Avengers #24

      -Cap, Skaar and the New Avengers/Avengers fight Osborn

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jim, received your message from the other page. Thanks for getting my attention.

      Hey, my friend. I think we have a tough disagreement here on the Thor/Journey Into Mystery order. I recognize your quote from JIM #631, but there are only two possible cases:

      1. Journey Into Mystery is unfinished, and so is Thor, which means the order doesn't need to change, or

      2. Journey Into Mystery is unfinished, and Mighty Thor is, which means the order is fine.

      In JIM #631, Loki isn't just talking about Tanarus; he's revealed the imposter. And according to the first page, this is all recap information. Hey Jim, I don't really want to split Mighty Thor and Journey Into Mystery - I kinda like them being contained stories that you read one right after the other. But Tanarus does appear immediately at Thor's funeral and his story starts there. If you provide me with a discrepancy - something else that shows the Tanarus arc hasn't occurred yet in Journey Into Mystery - you've got me!

      On a side note, I'll look Avengers/New Avengers over right now.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Jim,

      I did a look-thru of your chronology; the key point was that Iron Man did mention the New Avengers issues with AIM in Avengers #20. Based on everything I'm seeing, you are right, and I found your account unimpeachable. I know we still disagree on Journey Into Mystery/Thor, but I'll give you full credit for this HUGE save on your part. Thanks Jim!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I agree with keeping the issues and the series together, I was just thinking it should be Journey into Mystery #631-636 then Mighty Thor #8-12 immediately after.

      I found another reason to have it this way:

      In journey into mystery #634, Loki has a traumatic vision of a corpse version of Thor when exploring his subconscious. It tries to make Loki feel guilty for his death, which would be silly/redundant if these issues were after Thor had already returned in the Mighty Thor part of Shattered Heroes. In Journey Into Mystery #635, Corpse Thor also provides the recap.

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Hey Jim,

      Like a true researcher, you've fought the good fight. I'm convinced, especially based on your argument in JIM #634. I gotta hand it to you; incredible job. Thanks again. (Look for the update in the next 24 hours.)

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @BlakeCzirr: No worries man, I appreciate all the work you put into your lists.

      I have used a few of your lists to help me read events, your work is appreciated!

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      BlakeCzirr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: Just took care of it Jim. Thanks greatly for your keen eye.

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      DMVAgent 4 years ago

      so fantastic.. watching this movie was a great pastime to spend some of my leisure time :)) great lens!

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