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Pregnant or Breastfeeding? Buprenorphine, Suboxone, Subutex or Methadone - Safe for Baby and Mom During Pregnancy?

Updated on October 9, 2010
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Is Suboxone safe for use during pregnancy? Will Suboxone cause NAS (infant withdrawal symptoms)? Is Suboxone better than methadone for use during pregnancy?

If you are pregnant and addicted to opiates, you have 3 choices:

  1. Keep abusing your drug of choice
  2. Try to quit using and suffer through withdrawal and detox
  3. Get into an opiate substitution program and use methadone or Suboxone

The first 2 choices are not advised. Continuing to abuse drugs subjects the fetus to a lot of environmental risks, disease and to a reduced likelihood that the mother is going to take good care of herself during the pregnancy.

Trying to quit cold turkey and going through a hard withdrawal is also very risky. Opiate withdrawal is tough on the body, and the risk of miscarriage during a period of withdrawal is also very high.

This leaves getting on methadone or Suboxone as the only alternative remaining.

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Is Buprenorphine Safe During Pregnancy?

At present, Buprenorphine is listed as a category C drug for use during pregnancy. This, in the case of Suboxone, means that although scientists think it's probably OK – enough study has not yet been done proving that this is so (the manufacturer does not recommend that it be used during pregnancy).

Methadone has been studied very extensively for use during pregnancy and has been proven safe for both the mother and fetus – and thus the accepted protocol is to recommend that pregnant women take methadone instead of Buprenorphine.

Pregnant women who cannot or will not take methadone may be advised to take buprenorphine instead. Although doctors cannot say with absolute certainty that buprenorphine is safe, the available evidence indicates that it is not harmful to the mother or fetus, and if the mother cannot or will not take methadone, buprenorphine is likely preferable to no treatment or a cold turkey detox.

Suboxone is a medication that contains buprenorphine and Naloxone. The naloxone is added to the buprenorphine to lessen the odds that a user will abuse the medication. Because Naloxone can sometimes cause symptoms of opiate withdrawal, pregnant women wanting to take buprenorphine are normally advised to take Subutex instead. Subutex is exactly the same as Suboxone, but it contains no Naloxone, only buprenorphine.

If a women becomes unexpectedly pregnant while taking Suboxone – her doctor will probably recommend that she switch to Subutex, but not switch to methadone or any other form of treatment. Switching after she is already pregnant carries an unacceptable risk of stress on the fetus. If a woman plans on becoming pregnant, her doctor will likely advise that she first switch to methadone or naltrexone before getting pregnant.

Does Subutex Cause NAS (Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome)

If you take Subutex while pregnant, your baby will be born addicted to buprenorphine, and will likely go through some degree of NAS.

Studies indicate that over half of babies born to Subutex using mothers will suffer this infant withdrawal period to some degree. Many infants with NAS need only a few days of additional cuddling, attention and quiet – some infants will need treatment, such as with an opiate tincture.

The likelihood or severity of NAS in babies born to methadone using women does not seem to be influenced by the dosage that she was on. Therefore, with methadone at least, women are not recommended to attempt to reduce their dosage drastically in an attempt to spare their baby NAS. Quick reductions in dosage are associated with miscarriage inducing withdrawal and a higher risk of relapse back to a drug of abuse.

Is Methadone better than Subutex During Pregnancy?

Methadone has been very well studied for a long period of time, and it is known to be safe for both the mother and unborn child.

Preliminary studies of buprenorphine indicate that it is also safe, but there is not yet sufficient clinical evidence to allow for a recommendation of use.

Several studies that have compared methadone and buprenorphine use during pregnancy indicate that the NAS symptoms are worse and felt for longer with methadone.

Can a Mother Breastfeed on Subutex?

Buprenorphine is passed through the milk to the infant, and the manufacturer of Subutex does not recommend that it be used by nursing mothers.

SAMHSA has looked at the issue and has said that since buprenorphine is not well absorbed in the stomach, babies getting it through breast milk seem minimally affected by it, and that Subutex using women can breastfeed.

Summary

Unfortunately, there are no guarantees about the use of buprenorphine while pregnant, and a woman and her doctor will have to make a decision based on individual evidence about what medication is best for any particular situation.

The initial evidence indicates that Subutex offers a safe means for a pregnant women to stay off opiates of abuse, and that babies born to Subutex using mothers suffer fewer and less severe withdrawal symptoms than do babies born to methadone using moms.

On the other side – methadone has been studied and used for a very long time, and it is known to be a very safe medication for use during pregnancy.

Using either Subutex or methadone is preferable to cold turkey style detox or the continuing abuse of opiates.

Because Suboxone contains Naloxone and Naloxone can cause symptoms of withdrawal, pregnant women are advised to switch to Subutex.

What Have Your Experiences With Buprenorphine and Pregnancy Been. Lets Help Each Other Understand this Situation Better!

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      Amandamomtwo3 20 months ago

      I need a moderators help, there is a comment on this thread that has my personal email, and id like to edit it and remove my email, but, when i tried to sign in with my email (and the one listed in the comment), it says its not valid. I just created this account to try snd get on and resolve this asap.

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      Colette Acker 4 years ago

      Subutex and Methodone are not contraindicated for breastfeeding mothers. Check out Lactmed.

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      joycollie 4 years ago

      I'm 7 weeks pregnant and found out I was pregnant at 5 weeks, and so I immediately tapered over a few days and then just quit, cold turkey. I decided that being clean was much healthier than going through 9 months of worry, stress, anxiety about if I am or not harming the baby. I just wanted to post to share what it has been like for me.

      The first week was rough, in that I was restless, sweaty, hot and cold flashes, not a lot of sleep. After that first week passed, I felt no symptoms physically anymore.

      The 2nd week was rough on sleep, but I took some melatonin 8mg and get a few hours sleep every night. Sure, there is a lot of lethargy and lack of motivation, but to me, this beats the stress and worry. I also had diarrhea, but it was nothing a little immodium a.d. couldn't fix. Sneezing fits come and go, and I have a little bit of a cold...which I am toughing out, but I have definitely felt sicker on opiate w/d on week 2 than on sub.

      I am now on week 3 and the only side effect I have left is insomnia, cloudy brain, and sneezing. It really isn't all that bad. I'm just waiting out the insomnia part but I surely don't believe it is anything that will cause me to miscarry.

      Oh, and btw, I had my 6 week scan in the middle of my 2nd week of sub w/d and the baby's heart beat was beating away! I go back in 2 weeks to check again. I will post to let everyone know how the baby is and how my sub detox and sober recovery are going.

      Signed, 7 month suboxone user/4 year opiate abuser

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      sandy 4 years ago

      i took subutex during my whole pregnancy but as soon as my baby was born my dr switched me to suboxone!! i'm breastfeeding my baby is this switch good for my baby?? i'm really worried about this can someone help me ??

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      Ms Amber Eve 5 years ago

      To 'boosgurl'

      I am shocked that you had such a hard time with child safety overyour pregnancy and child. My sister smoked pot the entire time of her first pregnancy and brestfeeding with her son and has been dobbed in several times during and afterward. Child safety has never even looked in on her even though her son was born with breathing difficulties and had to be in special care in a humidicrib. Her son is now six and has severe ADHD and mental issues, allergies to certain foods and chemicals and is smaller than other children his age. I feel bad for your situation as you were only trying to do the right thing and got slapped in the face. Child safety only seems to attack the ones who admit they have a problem and ignores the ones who cover up that they are doing the wrong thing. At least suboxone is legal, monitored by a physician and gives you the opportunity to get counselling and other support services. None of us are perfect and I think we all try to do the best that we can but you shouldn't get punished for trying to do the right thing by your baby.

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      scarlet 5 years ago

      Dear lovemybaby, thanks for your message. I too came here (from Australia) for advice. I have been on suboxone for over a year, tapered from 8 to 2mg, juts found out I am 2 weeks pregnant. I immediately phoned my dr who is faxing the chemist a subutex script for the week until I can go see him. I plan on doing what you did, tapering down asap, afterall 2mgs is nothing really.. I will seek dr's advice on how fast/slow to do this. but if there is ANY chance of the baby having withdrawals I'd abort, get clean, & try again in a year or something. Has anyone here tapered from 2mg and swapped like I am?

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      Mindy 5 years ago

      I just found out that Im pregnant. I had a three year old girl, which was born while I was on methadone. Im at a very low dose, 40 mgs a day. I live in FLORIDA where there are methadone clinics but i dont knw of any Doctors who do the Subutez. Anyone knw a Doctor in North FL or South GA????

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      lovemybaby 5 years ago

      I came to this site often during my pregnancy because I too was taking suboxone. I want to give some info to girls who are in the same situation I was. I was taking about 6 mg of suboxone, and immediately switched to subutex. I then with my doctors supervision slowly weaned throughout my pregnancy. When I delivered I was takin .25 mg. I did the majority of my taper before 25 weeks. But continued very slowly until I delivered. My daughter was born 100% healthy & scored all zeros. Not even a hint of withdrawal. We stayed 2 extra days just to make sure. I had great doctors & nurses with whom I'd been totally honest with from the very beginning. I sought out tons of help & was determined to get as low as safety possible for my precious unborn baby. It was hard because I didn't always feel good but a little sweat & chills were far easier then watching my baby wd. Thank God (and I do) that did not happen. My first piece of advice tell ur doctor, swallow ur selfish pride & be honest. Take ur meds as prescribed, it really made me mad to read girls posts about snorting their subs or taking more then the absolute lowest dose. I also am a firm believer in breast feeding & it will help if ur baby's in withdrawal. And if you come across strong judgment take it. I never did @ least not to my face. But I was so truthful & I had worked so hard to take as little as possible, so I was treated like any other mother. Because of this I have a beautiful healthy 4 month old baby girl. Please please just be honest from day 1 & give your baby a fighting chance 9 months feels like a lifetime but it's really not. I hope this helps because the posts about wd free babies gave me something good...it gave me hope & a little bit of peace. Good luck to all u mommies to be I wish u all healthy happy babies!

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      Amber1981 I have shared my story on this forum it's a few stories back from your comments

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      Dear amber1981 I was on 12mg subutex when I found out I was pregnant. My prescriber changed me to straight bupremorphine as the naloxone is not good for your baby. When I hit 19 weeks I started withdrawing. My dose wasn't holding me. This is due to the increased blood volume during pregnancy. I ended up being on 20mg. It is so important u tell your dr. The false info of getting off te drug while pregnant will help your baby is rediculous! Research has shown its not the dose that effects withdrawal for baby when born but how stable the mother is durging pregnancy.my baby was born while I was on 20mg and never went through withdrawal. Plse seek help and be on the dose that keeps u stable and your baby will be stable! Hope this helps

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      amber1981 5 years ago

      Please HELP , I was on suboxone for a year when I found out I was pregnant , my doc suggested that I go on to subutex and I have been taking it since I was 2 weeks preg. and now I am 25 weeks since I hit my 24th week and now my 8mg seems to not hold me all nite. My ob-gyn has said that my baby is a big baby which my other 2 were big babies also. Do you think this is from the baby and should I try to go up on my meds.? PLZ give me some feedback. btw my husband has made me take more of my meds when he sees my pupils get large, he says I am not caring for the baby if I try to suffer for the nite

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      Artist-For-Hire 5 years ago from Western Australia

      I know this is shameless self promotion...sorry for thread-jacking Recovering Addict (you've got a great hub here and good reason or no, I'm taking advantage of it)

      But I wanted to invite you and your visitors to join me the (Buprenorphine) Subutex Babies Forum:

      http://subutexbabies.proboards.com/

      A brand new forum that I think you and many of your readers will benefit from contributing to. I want everyone - expectant or experienced - to come and share their questions and their experiences. It's still very quiet, it's not a day old yet but with everyones help I hope it will soon fill up.

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      KD 5 years ago

      I was on subutex with my middle child, and suboxen with my third, I was switched off the subutex to suboxen after my second and got pregnant so quickly with my third my doctor just kept me on the suboxen. I was fortunate with both my chidren they did not experience severe NAS (infant withdrawal). They did stay an extra day for monitoring for the withdrawal because it usually peaks at 3-4 days after birth. Both my boys have been healthy. I also breastfeed them both which I believe made a difference. I was on 4mg with both. And since only a .469 I beleive (Im 100% on that number but close) it is a very low amount of transfer to the breastmilk, but enough to ween then after birth. In my experience the subutex and suboxen worked better in my pregnancies than methadone, I was on methadone with my first son and he stayed in the hospital for 32 days after birth. However, there are new advancements and I found a doctor that if a baby does need medicine for withdrawal (from either suboxen or methadone moms) they do have it now that the babies can go home with their moms and visit a methadone clinic just like mom. Because we all know babies do much better when able to be with their mommies. (it is a fact) :) I hope this information helps someone. I can say as a recovering addict, getting on a maintance program was the best thing for me and my children, and Im a sure that it is much better than continuing to use. Best of wishes to those expecting it is the most wonderful experience, my youngest is a week old today :)

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      I wanted to share with u that last Tuesday night I had our 3rd child a little girl, Evie via c-section. When I found out I was pregnant I was on 12mg of suboxone and had been for 18mnths due to addiction to pain meds. Around 20 week gestation dr had to INCREASE my dose to 20mg per day and had it split to 12mg in the morning and 8mg in afternoon. My fear through entire pregnancy was my baby w/d once born. I wanted to reduce or come off the suboxone but my dr strongly advised against it! My husband and I made the decision to continue medication and remain healthy throughout whole pregnancy. Lots of water, healthy food, preg vitamins etc. on the 5th day after birth Evie started showing signs of w/d and scored quite high for a few hrs. The next day she began to calm down and as of today, day 7 she has been officially given the all clear! No w/d! Ladies can I encourage you to keep with what your dr advises. Stay healthy in your pregnancy. Refrain from taking anything other than what is prescribed! I am so grateful for wonderful care I have received. Grateful that I didn't swap to methadone at the beginning of pregnancy and remained on the Bup. I honestly believe after much research and from my own experience now that Bup is the better option in pregnancy of u can take it as it has less likely side effects for baby ie withdrawal! Take care, take courage. If anyone would like to ask me anything plse feel free. I check these postings regularly. Xxxx

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      sad,dad 5 years ago

      how about our babies not having to suffer? I wish the best for you all that shared your stories. I've dealt with this from my first born to our expexted 3rd born, I've never used oxy and I am trying to understand it all, reading some of your stories has helped. i am trying to get why my wife and i still fight this demon knowing it could hurt our children and possibly herself, not being in apart of this family, in jail, dead or divorced. what is it? my wife has been doing great with her treatment but i dont believe in replacing one drug for another. she has an addictive personality, her doc keeps pilling her up, ambien, subs now switched to methadone, will we be fighting this forever? are our children going to have the dependancy she does?

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      kristy9203 5 years ago

      hi everyone,i had a baby boy sept 3rd 2010 and i just want expected mothers to knw that i was suppose to take 24 mgs a day and i took around 8mg's a day some days were less than that!!! i had heard of so many diffrent problems i was so afraid not for myself just for the sake of my un born son!!!!!@1:30 pm i gave birth 2 a handsom boy and soon as i had him fullterm i knew something didn't look/feel right well it went until 2nd nite and i thought 2 myself well hopefully all will b o.k.!!!! i got woken up @ 5:30 a.m to b told that he had to b put on phenabarbatial (srry may not b spelled correct:) tht was the most scary sit i have ever faced they were very,very unexpirenced nurses made me feel uncomfy like i was just the most worst mother out there.... i thought i was making the best of choice for my so instead of taking chance of relapse or doing something way worse... so here i am gettin ready to have baby boy #2 and i'm still on subutex and more scared than ever i don't knw which way to turn or what to do here it is 3 months til my due date and i have read so incourraging info but still some scary ones!!! all i knw to try 2 do is just lay off of the med til i have baby???idk what to do!!!on the other hand my sister-n-law had a baby went to suboxone doctor the whole nine months taking suboxone not subutex and not telling the doctors the ob or even at birth and her son came out 100% fine not being in w/d i wonder if suboxone would/could b a better treatment easier for baby after birth!!! on the other hand where doc's and nurses don't knw enough info they treat the mother like sh*t here they do anyways !we don't have many doctors here to find one that knws some/more about our cases..forgot to mention my son stayed on the meds for 2 whole wks and we dropped his mg's down every few days started on 5mg's and last dose was 0.5 and was scary cause i thought he would get sick like we addicts do when we have nothing to take daily but thank you god he did so much better after the first 2wks after birth it just didn't seem like i got 2 enjoy the moments that i should gotten to at the hospital!!!! hope this can help just wanted 2 let our mommies out there knw what to expect don't mean IT WILL OR HOPEFULLY IT WON'T HAPPEN TO ur wee-one GOOD LUCK MOMMIES PRAYING FOR U AND HOPE ALL THE BEST OF LUCK!!!!XOXOXOXOXOXO

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      my baby will be 2 weeks old 2mrw! im the one who was taken off subs at 4/5 weeks preg. everyone told me i needed to stay on the meds (except my doctors) for risk of losing my baby. she was born march 9th, perfectly healthy! stoping my eds was the best choice, for me and my baby. u can stop. it sux, but its worth it. i just wanted to let all of u know that the danger of staying on and baby withdrawing is way worse than quitting. if i can do it, anyone can. i was an active addict for 15 years and was a recovering addict on subs for 2 years. now im off the subs, thanx to my baby. if i hadnt gottn pregnant i wouldnt have stoped. please concider quitting. it wont be easy, but its worth it. i didnt have to worry about the baby going thru w/d, child services or any of the crap we as addicts have to face. good luck to everyone of u.

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      dean 5 years ago

      hello everyone my gitlfriend was on subutex during the pregnacy and they swithed her to suboxone the day are girl was born very healthy and beutiful no withdrawls were we wrong we were broke into friday night stole our sripts the doctor give her with draw meds said baby would be fine she is 16 months as of yesterday and she is withdrawing as bad as us so i had to buy some on the street and med r selfs it sucks but wean yourself down as fast as you can so u don't need to rely on these meds i think it would be safer to be on subutex if you are prgnant or breast feeding so tell your doctor and take care may godbless all of you as he has us

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      my daughter is due in less than 2 weeks. i was taken off subs in august. i went thru terrible w/d from it and was super pissed about being dropped as a patient. i was sure ide miscariage bcuz of it. im now concidered full term and she is doing wonderful as far as we can tell. theres a test they do with an ultrasound and ive had 2. the best score a baby can get is an 8 and she scored an 8 both times. they look at their body movment, lung activity, ability to suck their fingers and i cant remember everything, but she got a perfect score. if u wanna stop taking it while ur pregnant, than quit! i dont suggest stopping cold turkey, (thats what i had to do) but if at all possible, taper urself down until u can stop atleast a few months b4 baby is born. i cant tell u how relieved i am to know that my daughter will not have w/d and it didnt feel good at the time, but i know now that this was what i needed to do. i may or may not get back on it after shes born. i dont know yet. but for u ladies who r scared to quit, or think it will hurt the baby, i think it does more harm to stay on it. especially on a high dose. i will let everyone know how shes doing when shes born. and please, dont think im saying u need to quit or u should quit. this is a personal choice and i know u all, just like me, want to do whats best for ur baby. my intention is simply to inform u that u CAN QUIT while ur pregnant. it sux, but its worth it. people would say things to me like, u will lose the baby or, the w/d in the womb can give her seizures! basiclly scaring the shit out of me. my doc wached very closely as i was honest with him about everything and my baby n i have been very well taken care of. and i quit taking them at the beginning of pregnancy when the chance of a miscariage is higher. dont be scared to do what u need to do, no matter what.

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      Rachael 5 years ago

      I am 26 weeks and on subutex. This is my first baby and I always said I would be able to just quit drugs cold turkey if i became pregnant. I thought that it would be easy because of the reasons to quit. This is baby is going to be my world but it wasn't as easy as I thought. So I don't feel guilty for taking subutex to better my life and my babies. It will be heart breaking if he has to go through withdraw, i hope that being on a low dose will prevent that but either way I think using this drug instead of going through severe withdraws and chance a miscarraige or relapsing is a better option. I would tell anyone who is pregnant and suffering with addiction to talk to your doctor and figure out the best thing for you and your baby and DONT be ashamed of it.

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      jenniferB 5 years ago

      I was put on subutex while pregnant with my last daughter and for all you woman who are mad at these mothers for being addicted to drugs while pregnant some of us were on birth control and some of us still ended up pregnant that's why we sought out our options to have a healthy baby and have the least amount of with drawls possible for them.My advice is always tell your doctor and if they won't help or don't know much about it find another one also though most doctor's prescribe more than you were taking before you got pregnant I still got myself down as low as I could til at the end I was taking a quarter of an 8mg pill a day, and though some doctors will tell you that they won't with drawl they will my nephew did because his mom (my sister) was taking what she was prescribed which was 3 a day so he had all the symptoms and signs..sneezing,leg jeks ,arm jerks and belly aches and a raw butt from loose bowl movements and he also rubbed his face raw because babies who with drawl tend to try and suck on their hands because of the belly aches they think it will help he was put on the anti convulsion meds and had to stay in the hospital longer than most babies and my baby got to come home after only one day of observation because I put myself on such a low dose.Just know anything you take after being 6 months pregnant will show up in the babies drug test so be honest about everything because they do contact cps or dcbs it depends on where you are from but as long as you are honest and taking your meds only you will be fine.It's best to suck up being embarrassed than to let your baby go through with drawls even for a second when you don't tell the doctors what you were on. That's when I would only be judge mental towards a mother who sacrifices her babies comfort for her own embarrassment, because if your baby is going through with drawls which we all know are horrible would you want to keep your mouth shut knowing they can give your baby something to keep them comfortable like you are because of the pain meds you receive while your in the hospital or just let your baby suffer through with drawls until the test come back and then they will know what to treat you baby with and that's a matter of hours of your baby being uncomfortable. When i went to have my tubal after I had my baby I told the nurse that no matter what if at anytime she even looks uncomfortable start the meds even if I am in surgery because I didn't want her to hurt for anything and though her scores never got above a 2 i still asked for a score sheet to take home so I could watch for symptoms just in case because they can come later, my nephew had horrible stomach aches we had to lay him on a heating pad on the lowest and turn it off just to help it a little. That's my advice be honest put your babies comfort above your own and try if you can to be on the lowest dose possible before you have they baby less chance for with drawls and follow up care too.I am glad everyone is doing fine and I hope I have helped I do have one question my nephew passed away at 35 days old and then my own baby who I was writing about passed away at 4 months from SIDS I just wonder has this happened to anyone else that has been on the program? I am not trying to scare anyone at all but if and when I do have another child it will be planned and I will be clean because I do believe that they do not know enough of the affects of this drug on babies and pregnancies unlike with Methadone though it is a harder drug for anyone including babies to come off of,it has been studied more remember this is still a fairly new drug when it comes to pregnancies,so please let me know @ 6jseymour@gmail.com Thank you Jenn

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      robertsjr 5 years ago

      FYI - I am a G'parent that just had a Baby who is in the Hospital due to Suboxone withdrawal issues. My newborn is having all kinds of complications due to the Suboxone. The Physician said it was OK for her to take Suboxone while she is pregnant. The Doctor at the hospital who delivered the baby said she should have "weened" herself to protect the Baby because now we have an innocent newborn Baby that is going through severe withdrawals and also other major complications due to this drug and is currently in the ICU unit at the Hospital. Why take a chance on harming an innocent child. You can slowly "ween" yourself off the drug and protect your Baby then after the child is born go back on it if you can't control your habit!

      Unfortunately there is not enough research out there on Suboxone side effects and how it relates to newborns.

      We are learning the hard way...

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      Dawn 5 years ago

      I gave birth to my little girl almost 2 weeks ago. I was prescribed subutex throughout my pregnancy. I was very up front and honest to my Subutex doctor as well as my OBGYN about being pregnant and on the subutex. I was told that my daughter would suffer very little withdraw if any at all. I was under the impression that my baby girl would being going home from the hospital with me and everything would be "normal"! Well not only was I greatly misinformed from my Doctor it has been almost 2 weeks and my little girl is still having symptoms of withdraw and has been in the Intensive Care Unit since 2 days after he was born. They put her on morphine and as of today they expect it will be 10-14 more days before she gets to come home. I have never been so upset and confused and angry in my life! In retrospect I'm not sure if I really could have done anything differently. What options did I have? Continuing to use drugs was definatley not an option for me and cold turkey more than likely would have resulted in a miscarriage. However I believe that these Doctors need to be more informed as to what these infants can go through afterwards. They need to be able to prepare a mother as to what could be expected after they give birth. I have an enormous amount of guilt and feel I did something wrong. I have been told repeatedly from the NICU doctors and nurses that I did everything right but it doesn't feel right as I watch my baby girl lay there in a hospital rather than at home with me! I in no way think it is wrong to take subutex while pregnant I do think I could have been better informed and prepared for the possible consequences of doing such though!

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      im bakkkk UPDATE 5 years ago

      gotta make this quick...Congrats to all the mothers who were lucky and had healthy babies. I think it has to do with the hospital you deliver @. So when i gave birth to my son, i personally didnt think the drawls' were that bad... and they werent. Guess what...my son was diagnosed with a heart disease AFTER THE METHADONE treatment was completed....thats what was making the stupid ass doctors go crazy. honestly he did have a lil withdrawl i noticed. i didnt think it should of required methadone tho. when cps came they checked my scipt and left. case closed. I just think its the hospital u go to and there education on subutex. and your insurance lol if u have medicaid they will keep your baby for whatever reason they can get away with. anyone has any questions or just wants to talk feel free to email snb4e@ live.com

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      momi27 5 years ago

      Hi I'm writing because I'd like to share my experience with subutex and pregnancy I read these over and over while I was pregnant and some scared me half to death and I prayed day n night for a healthy withdrawel free baby and he was. I gave birth Friday to a 8 lb 11 oz boy a wk over due so I was induced and so far so good was released 24 hrs after it was great I'm so thankful I was only taking 3 mg at end started on 2 went up to 12 n back down to 3 in third trimester its hard to cut down but I wanted to make sure everything was ok I also didn't tell anyone which scared me too but I couldn't I was so ashamed I'm weening off day after day so I don't ever do something like this again I was so nervous n still am as to if help cont being healthy I pray still n Tk god for bringing us this far withdraw free

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      Cheryl 5 years ago

      My friends daughter didn't realize she was pregnant and was still using drugs but about 5 months she started on methodone - her baby was born but has low glucose and is not keeping the weight she is being transferred to a children's hospital now - because they can't regulate the glucose is this because of the earlier use of the drugs

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      Joybaby3 5 years ago

      MEGHAN hi there. Can I ask who advised you to come off the suboxone? Going through withdrawals is very dangerous for your baby boy! Yes u may still feel him kicking but unborn babies can have strokes while in the womb if mother withdrawing. You need to speak to your obst ASAP and double check u and baby ok. I know from medical experience that withdrawing cold turkey is one of the most dangerous things u can do! Plse see someone and get advise'

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      meghan 5 years ago

      I am 23 years old and 23 weeks pregnant with a baby boy. When I first found out I was pregnant i was taking 8mg of suboxone sublingual film a day. At about 18 weeks I had tapered down to 2mg a day, 4 days ago I stopped cold turkey so now the withdrawls are hitting me hard. My question is, has anyone tapered off while still pregnant and the baby was fine?? I still feel him moving around so that's reassuring. I just need some advice :)

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      janet-

      let me start by saying, i was where u are. im now 30 weeks preg and was cut off my suboxone in early august. i had to stop cold turkey. i have been sober 2 yrs (with the exception of my subs). but i have experienced just about every type of w/d there is to experience. my suboxone w/d was by far the worst physically. the physical narcotic w/d i would only feel for about a week. the toughest part is the mental part of it. u will need a support system if u really wanna make it thru this. i havnt been on subs sence august, im clean n sober for the first time in over 15 yrs. while going thru sub w/d, i was sure i was gonna lose this baby and die, but i didnt. my daughter will be here in 9 weeks. her heart beat is strong and we r both doing great. one BIG, BIG, thing that helped me (even though i didnt think it at the time) is the fact that i had moved to a new state, had no family/friends. so i had no one i could "get" anything from. u will have to stay away from people and things that make it accessible!!! thats the only way u will be able to do this. as an addict, at least in my experience, it is immpossible to be around drugs and not do them. it doesnt work like that.

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      Janet 5 years ago

      Can someone please help me? I am 6 months pregnant and I have been addicted to opiates ( all kinds), for 7 years. 30-40 pills a day. I am out & do not plan on getting anymore. I dont want my child born with withdrawals. Any advice on what I can exspect & how can I get thru this?

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      sooppa 5 years ago

      Danielle - it is normal to feel like you want more when you get pregnant. By the third trimester, the amount of blood in your body doubles, so the dose gets diluted! For all the ladies here, I really recommend this site - http://www.methadonesupport.org/Pregnancy.html whether methadone or subutex - it really helped me when I was scared during pregnancy. Doctors really don't know what they are talking about most of the time with regards to this pregnancy and methadone/subutex as there is so much misinformation out there. But at this site, you'll find answers, advice and support (I'm not involved with the site, I just know how much it helped me and I see a lot of frightened women on this message board! )http://www.methadonesupport.org/Pregnancy.html Good luck!

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      sooppa 5 years ago

      I am breastfeeding and taking 6mg of subutex (buprenorphine). I was on methadone during pregnancy and gave birth to a healthy 71b 13 baby boy. However, he is now 9 months and since the beginning, he has had the worst gas. During the day, he is fine. But at night, it gets stuck in his bowels and he wakes frequently trying to expel the gas. I tried gas drops, gripe water, probiotics, changing my diet, cutting out dairy for a week (possibly not long enough) but my final conclusion is that it must be the subutex. Though I haven't seen anyone else mention this online – so I am the first?? – has anyone else breastfeeding on subutex had a very gassy baby? Please comment here if so. Even if it doesn't help, I'm sure there will be women in the future searching for the same info

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      HuniGems 5 years ago

      I am 16 wks pregnant. I was on 8mg subutex for 4 yrs..(not perscribed) i had no insurance and was buying off a friend. Expensive and draining habit..especially when all u do is worry when u r broke n close to running out. Anyway, i tapered slowly and was last taking a quarter a day,sometimes 2 quarters later in the day if i had extra to do. Today is my first day without. By choice, and also by no means of buying them. My biggest problem is the goosebumps and the sweats and chills. The watery eyes the yawning and the discomfort. How long will this last?? It seems like an eternity and all u want is relief.. But i must do this for my child. I once stopped and was given blood pressure meds. Alled clonidene and it helped me stay calm. Within 5 days it was like a new me. Im curious if the same will happen this time but without and medicine to help.

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      Sub Mama 5 years ago

      Hey everyone!

      I always intended on coming back here and telling my story but I definitely have taken a long time. I am a former heroin addict; sober now for five years. I was originally but on suboxone but when I got married, I asked my doc to put me on subutex because it IS much healthier if you get pregnant. My doc was VERY supportive of being on subutex and pregnant and had many women through his practice give birth on it. He was absolutely sure my baby would be fine. I got pregnant very quickly. I was on 8mg. I soon dropped down to 3 mgs/a day and by around 8 months pregnant I was taking crumbs three times a day that totaled 1 1/2 mg a day. I would take a crumb in the morning, afternoon and evening.

      I heard about hospital protocol and I was NOT going to put my daughter in any danger for being stuck in a NICU with methadone, so I made other plans. I should tell you I am a very healthy person. I walked two hours everyday during pregnancy, I ate very, very well- all organic, fruits and vegetables, no junk food, minimal coffee( half a cup a day) and lots of vitamins ( including DHA for baby's brain development).

      I drank a TON of water- lots- to flush everything out. I would out a few ounces of orange/mango organic juice in their to make it more appealing. I think a lot of water is important to keep the amniotic fluid fresh.

      SO, because I was so healthy and low risk, I planned a homebirth. i knew MY personal best chance to keep my baby healthy was to not have any interference and hold her skin to skin as soon as she was born, lots of nursing, dark rooms, cuddling, no strangers or bright lights around you. You basically want to recreate the womb.

      I had two amazing, educated and experience midwives and I had the blessing of my pediatrician who came the day after the birth to make sure she was not withdrawing. We also went into his office a few days after the birth.

      The birth was amazing. I had a short labor and gave birth to her into a dim room into warm water. She was born at 40 weeks and 8 lbs, 20 inches long. My husband and I were the only ones who held her for the first week of life. I had a lot of help from my midwives to nurse ( she did have problems latching- but we DID get it down.) My ped. said nursing was totally fine and completely supported that choice. I also did a ton of research and most of what I read supported nursing. The comfort alone, helps baby with withdrawals.

      I went back up to 3 1/2 mgs after birth- which my doc said was fine bc as long as I stayed under 4 mg the amount that passes through my milk is very, very small.

      Withdrawals. I was so relieved and happy that baby did NOT withdrawal. The doc said she was a little "tight"- her arms and legs and he believes that might have been a small inidicator of WD but that was it. Babies have all the same symptoms of babies who WD, so I believe it is hard to tell. Babies, sneeze, they have that reflex where their arms shoot up and they feel like they are falling, they cry and scream. I was paranoid about everything. But the doctor said she was fine and she was. The fact that she could be very calm at sleepy at times, assured me she was a normal baby. If she had screamed all day and night I would have taken her to the hospital; that never happened.

      My daughter is 15 months old now. SHe doesn't walk- she RUNS. She kisses and hugs all the time. SHe laughs. She is very smart and can say- mama, daddy, kitty, sissy, so big, ow, uh-oh, nice, hot, hi and bobo ( from a story-lol).

      She has NEVER tasted formula and still breastfeeds. She has been exclusively breastfed since birth. She loves it and shows no indication that it is at all harmful. SHe takes a nap in the morning for 1 hour and 30 minutes, an hour nap in the afternoon and she sleeps from 8-6 in the morning, wakes up twice at night for a minute or two -has a quick nurse and goes right back to bed. She is very healthy and very happy.

      Good luck mamas. Listen, methadone has been WIDELY researched and has been considered safe. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that subutex is way less hardcore than methadone. Dont' stress out or guilt trip yourself- it's bad for you and baby! You will both be fine in the end, I promise! Your baby will be OKAY. The very worst is WD and that will not affect them long term. Try your best to get down to a low dose, if you can. There is SOME thinking that women that are overweight/ heavier, will have babies with a LESS chance of WD, as their bodies take up most of the medication. If you are thin- like me ( I am 5' 8" and weigh 120- only gained 25 lbs with pregnancy) try to get down to a low dose- if you can. I have an inkling and I may be wrong, that very thin girls with high dosages, are the ones who have babies who withdrawal.

      Lots of love! Any questions for me- ask here- I will come back and check :-)

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      Kate 5 years ago

      I also wanted to say that I got an epidural during my delivery & it is FINE with the medication. I also needed an extra dose of it due to my tolerance to pain medication. I told the anesthesiologist that my addiction specialist said I may need an extra dose & they gave it to me no problem, it helped SO much! A lot of doctors know very little about subutex & think that you cant have a real epidural, they are misinformed & I would be wary of seeing a doctor who is this clueless. my doctor goes to the latest conferences on pregnancy & subutex & has treated at least 10 pregnant patients I got really lucky having a well informed doctor.

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      Kate 5 years ago

      Danielle8787

      When I got further along in my pregnancy my addiction specialist warned me that I may feel the need to take more due to the increase in blood volume. Its totally normal. If your doctor doesn't understand this I'm really sorry, you can look for another doctor but I found it impossible to find anyone who would even let me walk in the door while pregnant!(I tried to switch bc my Dr is 45mins away) I started on 8mg of subutex pre pregnancy & ended up at 12mg towards the end of my pregnancy. I would look for some research online, its probably going to be hard to find much but look up the MOTHER trials its a pretty well known subutex trial done using pregnant women. it may have the information on needing an increased dose during the 2nd-3rd trimester. I hope it goes well, im sorry your going thru this, many doctors truly dont know enough about this drug especially when it comes to pregnant women taking it. I was lucky bc my doctor had already treated 10 other pregnant women with subutex. My email is krneely11@gmail.com if u have any other questions

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      Danielle8787 5 years ago

      Hi I am 20 weks pregnant and I take 4 mg subutex daily,recently I feel like im withdrawling even though I take it like Im supposed to I told my doctor about this and he told me theres no way I could be feeling withdrawal if I am taking it regularly,he is acting like I want more or something and that is the last thing I want I feel absolutely terrible about the dose I am already taking,I really dont know what to do....

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      Kate 5 years ago

      BTW how old is your baby? you can email me at krneely11@gmail.com my iphone is connected to my gmail so i can respond faster

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      Kate 5 years ago

      Also I read somewhere that the subutex in your breast milk pretty much just passes thru them. do u think your feeling this way bc your so worried about it? What makes you suspect the subutex is negatively affecting your baby?

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      Kate 5 years ago

      I was & still am on 12mg a day. It did not affect my baby at all. I am still kinda breast feeding but bc my baby refused to latch I had to pump every 3hrs round the clock. my supply dropped, which knew would eventually happen bc she wasnt latching but it dropped lower than I thought it would so as of about a week ago she is mostly getting formula. She only gets a couple oz of breast milk a day now =(

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      Rachel 5 years ago

      Dear Kate, congrats on the wee one! How many mgs are you on while breast feeding? I'm afraid it's affecting my baby even though everyone says they did it and it was fine. Its always in the back of my head that some how it has to affect her. Or its the reason she sleeps so much or is such a calm baby. I take approx. two to four mgs a day. How long did you breast feed for or are you still? Any advice will help!

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      Kate 5 years ago

      I had my baby in sept 2011, she had NO w/d symptoms even tho i was on 12mg subutex. My OB knew that I was on subutex, & after having my baby I had to speak with a lady from CPS. she cleared me as a fit mother after talking briefly about my history & recovery. I had to be induced at 37wks bc the medication & my deteriorating placenta caused my childs growth to slow wayy down. she came out at 6.0lbs 18.0inches. she was completely healthy & did not require any observation.

      If you have ANY questions or would like to talk please feel free to email me at krneely11@gmail.com! I love talking to other ladies in similar situations as myself & helping those who feel lost & scared like I did. there is a lot of scary info on the web & not enough research. also i was able to breast feed my daughter, the medication did not cause any issues with that, i know a lot of dr's are not educated on subutex but luckily all of our doctors from the addiction specialist, and OB to our pediatritian.

      Good luck, I hope everyone on here gets as lucky as we did.

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      Dear proud mother of healthy baby boy

      Can I ask you....how many milligrams of sub were u on? I'm worried due to the dose I'm on and OBG advises not to decrease dose. Would really appreciate your reply xxx

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      proud mother of healthy baby boy 5 years ago

      to everyone that says subs will make ur baby w/d, thats so not true. i was on subs my whole pregnancy and i delievered a 9 lbs heaklthy baby boy..

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      i must be the only person in the world who was taken off suboxone when i got pregnant. ive been looking for someone to talk to who was also taken off and try to compare our experience. from the terrible w/d (while being 6 weeks) to the god awful nightmares, to the extreme drug cravings, i mean i was craving drugs instead of food! it was insain! im now 7 months and have been off the subs sence august. im stone cold sober and very proud of myself, but... in certain ways, im not. im only sober b/c i dont know anyone here, my doc cut me off and i had no choice. as much as i would love to take 100% credit for being sober while pregnant, i cant. it doesnt rightfully belong to me. but im glad i own it for now. does anyone here know what i mean? in a sick way, i envy those of u still on the subs. i know it sounds silly, but its true. so, even though im sober n doing well... i still feel as though ive failed. u know?

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      samantha 5 years ago

      Hello, I'm almost 11 weeks pregnant with my first baby. I am on 8mgs subutex a day. I've done some searching on the internet about women breastfeeding on subutex and i've read that a very low amount is in the milk and the baby swallows it so it doesn't get absorbed that well. I really want to breastfeed, I think the good outweighs the risks. My boyfriend though wants me completley off the subs if i am going to breastfeed but he has never been an addict or on suboxone. I wish there was more information on this out there because I really want to breastfeed! And if the babies in me the whole time on subutex then whats the big deal if it gets like 1% of my sub. I've heard it can help with there withdrawals if they have any. I could even slowly try and wean off the subs while im breastfeeding. has anyone had doctors tell you that its okay to breastfeed? I think the dr's are way to undereducated about this.

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      Dear scared! My heart goes out to you. At least you are aware that taking pain killers unnecessarily during pregnancy isn't the best for u or baby. In my experience no the tablets won't hurt your baby, however u need to stop now. If u can't talk to your midwife or doctor about the support you will need to stay off the pills. Have u had a history of using the pills unnecessarily or was it just a one off time? How many weeks are you? Woman are given certain painkillers during pregnancy if they need them ie in a trauma, severe pain etc however if u are in a position in which you are abusing them you need support. From my personal experience this is something you can't do on your own!!! Hope this helps and by the way huge congratulations on the pregnancy!!!! Xxxx

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      Tina 5 years ago

      Does anyone have more info on breastfeeding on suboxone?

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      Scared 5 years ago

      I just found out that I am for sure pregnant, and I did percocets 2 times in one week (spread out between a day or two) last week. Now I am so scared I might've hurt this baby and I dont know what to do please help!

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      JoyBaby3 5 years ago

      Thank U thank u ladies for your comments. Like many of you I am a pregnant lady on subutex. 23 weeks and researching as much as I can. I became addicted to pain killers after an injury and chose to go on suboxone after rehab. Getting pregnant was a complete bit wonderful surprise as I was apparently suppose to have gone brought menapause. I was initially on 12mg a day but had to go upto 20mg as the baby got bigger I started w/d. Has anyone had this experience??? Has anyone had a baby on this higher dose. My OB has encouraged me to NOT reduce during pregnancy.

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      mamakittyof4 5 years ago from Chilie, TN

      Congrats optimistic on Baby Austyn!!! In the state where I live, they make you sign a paper as soon as you put your gown on to have your baby. Its a release for newborn drug screening and HIV testing. If you do not sign the form, they will not deliver your baby (its what I was told) however, I don't know if its in fact "law"......as a nurse, people in the medical field cannot do anything to a child under the age of 18 w/o proper medical consent ( and if no consent, then there has to be "just cause") meaning if there are signs of w/d on the infant and, yes, some of the symptoms of newborns are apparent whether or not the mother was using or not (all newborns can sneeze to clear airways and have mild tremors). Yes, if you have a valid prescription for subutex/suboxone, cps CAN DO NOTHING!!!! Even if the prescription is a year old!!!! You are legally prescribed that from a doctor. Period. I forgot who it was on here that wanted some more info on the weaning process.....would you please ask again so I can give it to you? Thanks. Ladies, we are all great mothers in seeking help for our addictions. It's better than using and taking a chance on doing harm to our unborn babies. :)

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      Kate 5 years ago

      Hey I'm back, I had my daughter on sept 2nd 2011. She was 6.0 lbs & 18in long. She had no real w/d, the only thing I noticed was excessive screaming the first few days, but we were having trouble breast feeding. Also she had these tremors like her arms would jerk but the dr told us that was totally normal bc babies have immature nervous systems. They contacted the hospitals social worker who meets with patients & decides what if any further action needs to be taken. Bc I had been open & honest the entire pregnancy & did not relapse she didn't feel the need to involve CPS. Btw I spoke with CPS before having my baby & they said if your prescribed to sub then they have no case, it's a valid script given to u by a dr who knows you are pregnant.

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      Hopeful 5 years ago

      optimistic,

      Congrats!!!!

      Just curious what kind of drug test they did on your baby?

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      congrats optimistic. im so happy for u and ur son:)

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      optimistic 5 years ago

      Baby Austyn is doing great! He was born December 4th at 11:02 pm. He was 7lbs 22 inches long. It was a quick and easy birth. No withdrawl just some sneezing which the nurse told me normal, that all babies do, it helps clear the mucus left in the nasal cavities. The staff was well aware of my suboxone use and were very understanding and nonjudgemental.The nurse that helped deliver him told me se had worked at the hospital for almost 7years and out of all the babies they had born, those on suboxone and or other street drugs, she had only seen 2 babies sent out for withdrawl. The hosp I was at could not adminster drugs to the infants, so if Austyn had bad withdrawls and needed medication they would have had to send him to another hosp. They tested me and of course I was negative on everything (the nurse said that I was just negative and that they do not test for buphenorphine but since it was in my file that I was currently taking suboxone they were going to do a drug test on Austyn also..which he was negative on too). I did speak to the case worker that was there but she was not concerned about the suboxone use, she was more worried about my questionaire about depression...but of course with all of the stress, esp at the end of the pregnancy, Ive been highly depressed. NO CPS, NO DSS, I got bothered by no one. It was a surprisingly easy and laidback experience. Im so relieved yet angry at how much time and sleepless nights Ive lost over this whole situation and it was nothing like I had thought it would be. I cannot say that everyone elses' experience will be the same but I know that I was blessed as was my son Austyn. so its now my second baby on subutex and they both are healthy and happy children. Good luck to all you determined, motivated and selfless women. This is not an easy task, it is harder it admit, esp while you are pregnant, that you are addicted...it takes a strong person, one that is more concerned with the welfare of their child then with what consquences they may suffer. Good luck.

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      lila 5 years ago

      I have two healthy kids both born while I was taking sub. One is three born 7lbs at 38 weeks and other 2 months born 8.4# .40 wks. Neither ever had any withdrawal. I nursed both.took both home from hospital next day.I took nibbles of sub twice a day.I just hope there is moms out there this can help I have back pain and this drug has made it so I can live without needing pain meds every few hours that make me drowsy. .I would love to b free of this drug and I know someday I will but for now this is my path and I'm taking one day at a time.there are so many women out there who are beating themselves up and u need to stop and.try your hardest and then some to pbring your baby's into this world with the best start cuz u only get one body.I hope this helps someone have hope my kids are both healthy spoiled very smart social kids. Please give yourself a break.I know life hands us things we wish we didn't have to battle but this one we can win and our kids wont suffer for our mistakes if you put ur mind to it.

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      WhitneyFTM 5 years ago

      Hi I'm 34 weeks and on 4 mil a day.. Thanks mama kitty for sharing ur story was very helpful.. I wanna breast feed so bad but my dr is kinda not for it and my fiancé isn't either. Since reading all of these stories I think I'm gonna talk to the dr. More and make sure that the hospital is okay with it too if that's even possible... That freaks me out that cps can get involved... Also my baby is in the 13th percentile he weighs 4.7 lbs at 34 weeks is this bc of subutex?? Thanks u all for ur amazing and eye opening stories

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      mamakittyof4 5 years ago from Chilie, TN

      wantingbaby#2....YES, your insurance should cover subutex even after you deliver and your suboxone dr should keep prescribing it b/c the naloxone in breastmilk does come down!!! I am a nurse, I researched it and my box dr and myself did it together!!! The baby will only be on 1 drug instead of 2 and weaning and w/d will be much easier. You may have to file an appeal (I did, twice) but after the evidence and dr. advice they eventually will approve it---I hope sweetie. imbaaaakk and flowering soul, around here babies are not taken from the mothers only to do their little tests in the nursery and for w/d's they are NEVER given methadone!!!! For crying out loud, what idiots!! Babies are supposed to be given, in moderate to severe cases of w/d small doses of morphine for seizures!!! Also, babies will thrive and w/d MUCH LESS when kept SOLELY WITH THE MOMMY!!!! IT'S CALLED KANGAROO CARE!! This means, having baby lay naked under covers on mommy's naked body (skin to skin contact) Yes, every case is different BUT, more times than not there is bare minimum w/d's from baby and mommy when on 8mg or less AND when baby starts to nurse as soon as he/she is born!! I know this works, and I am so sorry for those of you who live and or deliever where medical professionals do not understand opiate substitution drugs. Show them websites, print off and take with you what you find out. Suboxone doctors know this better than anyone, let them help you help your ob/gyn staff. Try it. Maybe it will help. Yes, always be honest with medical staff when you deliver, it may even lessen your CPS visits if anything at all. Hopefully, you won't have to go thru with it and if you do, you are doing the right thing for yourself and your baby, by not doing pain meds!!!!!!! and sadforthesekids....is the wean for you or someone else and how much are you taking now, when do you want to be off, or be down to before you give birth?? I can make you up a wean calendar. Send me an email if you want to. Good luck all you mommies out there and mommies-to-be!! You all are strong and can do this!! No hopeful, we are not doctors ( I am a nurse) but either we have been there or we are going there and any advice you can get from all sources available the better informed and prepared you can be!! I agree though, don't substitute for medical care ;) AND TO ANGIE..........DON'T BLAME US, WE DIDN'T PUT OUR BABIES UP FOR YOU TO ADOPT!!!!!!!!! Go to an adoption support group website :) this is obviously NOT for you....duh!!!

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      Hopefull 5 years ago

      Oops..."sunk one" should read suboxone. Stupid phone! Also, as a side note, take all info you read here very lightly, please don't use as medical advise. Can't stress this enough. We r All in the same boat therefore all probably coming here for the same reason: to get educated enough to not have to say anything to the doc. Having just gone thru this 2 wks ago, please please please don't do it! We are not doctors! As painful as it seems, you must be honest And err on the side of caution for the sake of your baby! It sucks, I know! Though this thread is possibly more informative than the actual hospital staff you might encounter, they are still the ones with the necessary equip to save your baby's life! I do believe I got lucky. Unfortunately you just never know, as proven if you read this entire thread. Too many different experiences. Please, tell your doctor or nurse, your baby's life depends on it!

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      Hopefull 5 years ago

      I cannot go into the entire story due to time, but my 2wk old was born with minor NAS and that's only bc I was in fear he was w/ding, not them. I got several different stories depending on the shift, but once the nicu nurses scored him and I was dealing with staff that could be understanding and unbiased, he went from 10s and 20s to 3s. We were able to bring him home after 3 days and they had no issue with me nursing him on sunk one. The dose really doesn't matter. I took 1-2mgs per day and he still had apparent NAS, but so many of the w/d symptoms they score them on are also normal newborn symptoms. It's just human nature to score biased once they know you've used drugs or you're taking subs of any kind. My own mind might have even played tricks on me. I can guarantee that had I not said anything nor asked them to take and score my baby, they would have never known, HOWEVER, even in hindsight I would strongly encourage everyone to bite he bullet And be honest. Don't gamble on your baby's life, please! I STILL worry every day and every time I feed him, even though the head of pediAtrics said it was completely safe. I worry bc among an entire staff of nurses and docs, I heard so many different opinions it made my head spin! It was my maternal instinct that told me all my baby needed was to be held and loved by me, and the pediatrician and my OB confirmed just that, but I cant tell you the relief and peace of mind it have me to hear that after several days of torment from my own mind and several uneducated nurses. By not saying anything sooner, I literally destroyed the experience for myself! Don't try to do this alone. Kharma works in mysterious ways and even though you might have to face some demons, like a shameful degrading chat with CPS, and some unnecessary scowls by idiot nurses, your honesty will be rewarded in the end, I assure you. You cannot do this yourself, post preggo hormones alone will get the best of you. This post and some of the people I was able to connect with as a result really saved me and my baby, I believe that. It helped me make the right decision and look past myself and my fears. In a major moment of weakness, as I was laying alone with my baby in a cold hospital room, worried out of my mind, this post kept me from being consumed by my own guilt and gave me the courage to speak up to the very first nurse that I got a trusting vibe from. I'll admit, in the midst of everything, I got Angie's comment above and almost DIDN'T say anything. It actually made me want to end my life for a minute bc I was already overwhelmed with emotion and hormones, but then someone I met thru this thread helped me see past that and held my hand, so to speak, thru the entire agony of the situation. We are good mothers. We are here bc we care about our babies, that couldn't be more obvious! Just needed to check back in and share that! XoXo

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      WantingBaby#2 5 years ago

      Hi everyone! I have just finished reading all of these comments after first finding this site 3-4 days ago... I have a wonderful little boy who I smoked weed during the pregnancy but used NOTHING else not even cold medicine or caffeine, etc. My doctor at that time told me that they felt that the marijuana was better handled than the extreme stress/anxiety/depression I was under. I was relatively worried that he wouldn't be healthy but I was so very happy that he was and still is a very healthy, VERY happy and extremely smart little man :) He will be 8 years old in January 2012. I have fibromyalgia and after a few years of seeing many different doctors, I found a pain clinic who got the closest diagnosis I'd had up until that point saying that I had myofacial(sp?) pain and put me on percocet. I was on them for a couple years before a misunderstanding occured and I was dropped cold turkey... Needless to say after a couple years of taking them everyday, I was dependant/addicted to them and started buying them off the street. No one has any idea what it's like to have their toddler cry because he wants to be picked up but you can't because it hurts too badly, percocet was the only reason I was able to pick up or play with my son. When he was 3 years old, my husband and I decided to try for baby #2 but 8 months later when I missed my first period, I took a pregnancy test and it was negative and my husband seemed relieved. I found out that he didn't want to have another child. After over 3 long years, my husband finally agreed that we could have another child but I had to stop using so this summer I went to get help (turns out that's a reason he had said no before). I have been clean (using suboxone) for 4 months now and we've been trying to get pregnant. We have a friend who recently gave birth to a little boy (my new godson) after taking subutex thru her pregnancy. She had a horrible, horrible experience and I have vowed to research it so that I don't have as bad an experience as she did... They started her son on phenobarbitol after 5 days and then some dto(?) medicine after 9 days without her permission, she wasn't able to stay at the hospital with him and he was started on that without even telling her until the next day and he was NOT allowed to go home to take that medication and was therefore forced to stay in the hospital for 6 1/2 weeks!! A friend of her's had taken subutex (and other things including shooting up something, I dunno what cuz I'm not friends with her) She stayed in the hospital for 11 days with her son who was having major seizures, etc. and they sent him home with the phenobarbitol that he took for 4-5 months. My friend told me that she even did drugs WHILE staying in the hospital!! My friends baby should NOT have been in the hospital as long as he was but had to be because of the ignorance of the staff at the hospital. She could never get a straight answer out of anyone because there were *6* different doctors and many different nurses taking care of him. The hospital gave him MRSA while he was there from poking him too hard under his arm with a thermometer, etc, etc, etc. I don't want to scare anyone I just want to make sure that you all do as much research as you can and bring it with you to your doctors and to the hospital so you can prove to them your findings so that you can properly fight for what's best for your child. I've heard in these comments that some hospitals automatically start babies on medication even when NO WITHDRAWALS are present which I feel is NOT RIGHT!! No one should be given medication that they don't truly need!! Anyway, I know some of you would have chosen to stop taking suboxone before getting pregnant but I don't feel I can. Even though I am on a very low dose (1mg per day), I cannot stop completely, I know because I have tried, I've been taking subs off and on for 2 years and everytime I stop completely, I eventually start using again and I know that it's safer (and better for me personally for my mental health) to be on this than finding out I am pregnant and using after a month or more of being pregnant. I'm not judging anyone, just saying in my position, it's what I feel is right for me...

      I guess the reason for my post is to say Thank You first of all to everyone that has opened themselves to attacks (unfortunately) by posting their stories here for other people like myself to not feel so alone. I also wanted to tell my godson's story so that mom's know that they need to fight for what they feel is best for their child and for themselves! BTW, yes, DHHS (Dept. of Health and Human Services i.e. Child Protective Services and whatever else they are called in other states) was called but they were in and out of her life in a matter of days. It was simply to make sure that she was in a good place, that the baby would be taken care of by a person who was actively working to be healthy and partly (mostly?) because the father was physically abusive to her in the past and got out of jail after 7 months a week before she was due and she took him back... They told her that they basically just wanted to be sure that she was safe and the baby would be safe. They called family and friends to ask their opinions and then they dropped the case. All of it was over in less than a week.

      A big reason why I am posting also is to ask that if anyone has ANY information WHATSOEVER to PLEASE post it here. I don't want to give out my email only because I've had people hack and spam my acct's in the past and don't want any bs from people who don't understand and are only here to judge others... I need websites, books, studies, etc. Anything that talks about the effects of suboxone/subutex on babies, I will be switching to subutex as soon as I find out that I am pregnant and already talk to my sub dr everytime I see him and to my addiction counselor everytime I see her and they have assured me that it is safe and that's what will be done as soon as I know and prove to them that I am because my insurance will not pay for subutex for anyone except pregnant women. I am planning on breastfeeding but they will not prescribe subutex EVEN for nursing mothers so I am also trying to find any information on whether naloxone will effect the baby? I know that's why they say not to use suboxone during pregnancy because of that medication so while I know that subutex does not get into their system by drinking the milk, I am wondering if the naloxone can? It's probably a dumb question but I just wanted to see if anyone knew... Thanks so much!!

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      pdw1980 5 years ago

      floweringsoul-

      wow! im so glad everything is well with the baby and ur daughter:) like ive said b4, people fear what they dont understand. maybe this lady was raised to be close minded and learned this from her parents. i agree w/ everything u said. i hope for her childs sake, her heart will grow and she will stop passing judgment, because this could easily happen to her family one day. sometimes, it takes an earth quake to open ones eyes to what is true, wich in addiction (no matter how u got there) happends often. on a better note... happy thanksgiving everyone. i hope u all got to spend it w/ the people u love most.

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      Floweringsoul 5 years ago

      My daughter almost died 7 years ago when a 5lb colon cancer tumor ruptured her intestine. After aggressive chemo she was told she would never have kids. Didn't use birth control due to this. She got addicted to pain meds given to her after the emergency surgery in which they cut her abdomen wide open to see where the bleeding was coming from. She has since had to deal with the ignorance of a society that gives people pills for every little thing, advertises them on TV, then has no system to deal with the impending addictions. She became pregnant while on suboxone and was put on 8mg day of subutex by her wonderful 'drug dr' that she drives 2 hours to see! She was unable to find OB care because she was on the drug and had to drive 2 hours north to UC hospital in Cinci to be seen at their OB clinic. You would think this hospital would know about subutex and suboxone but they only use Methadone and know nothing about the other drugs. She has had horrible care at the 'high risk pregnancy' clinic here and her time at the hospital for the birth has been a nightmare! They forgot to tell her not to eat after midnight the day of her C-section and told her not to take her subutex! She went through hell after her surgery because she had no subutex in her and no amount of pain meds would help. After several hours I was told to go to the car and get her meds. After she took her dose they were able to manage her pain. Not one person has told her the same 'story'! When her 8lb 7 oz healthy baby born was born he had fast respiration's which we were told was from the C-section. Then they continued after the second day so they said he was WDing and threatened to put the baby on methadone. They also said he had a slight fever and may have an infection. They put him on antibiotics and did cultures. He slept great, never cried, nursed great, and was alert. They said they were taking him for a hearing test on Tues night and never brought him back. A pediatrician came down and told us he was on IV fluids so didn't need to nurse and it wasn't recommended he nurse with high respirations. They said she could pump and give it to him but her milk hadn't come in yet. She was distraught and told them he was to get no formula. Later the next day they said she could nurse him. They were going to put him on methadone and I told them they needed to wait for his cultures to come back. Thank God a wonderful nurse who was 'teaching' student nurses and was using my daughter as an example jumped in on the conversation and told the Dr she felt the baby was simply hungary and his mild WD symptoms could be treated with lots of nursing and cuddling. They agreed. When the next shift of nurses came in his scores strangely went from 7 and 9's to 4's and 5's? Her milk came in today and we were just told baby and Mom may come home late tonight or tomorrow! My daughter told me she regretted being honest with them about her subutex use. Later we agreed that it was the best thing to do even though the idiots in charge here used that information in a bad way. Shannon has felt a lot of remorse and regret but I told her that she can't go back and 'should' on her self. She has to go forward and do the best she can for her baby NOW! NOW is all we have! She is a wonderful, loving Momma who God blessed with a healthy baby boy. @ Angie- I am so sad for the baby born addicted who now has to have you as a Mother! My heart breaks for him/her! I hope you never have to watch that child scream in pain and agony after they cut them open, and watch them be be sick to the point of death due to chemo but if you do have to I know for a fact you will come away with a different view of drug addiction. God gives us the lessons that are necessary for our spiritual growth. With your outlook I'm afraid you have alot of very hard lessons yet to come! Sending LOVE and LIGHT to all you Momma's and all your babies! May you be blessed with all you need!

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      22/23 weeks now. had an apt today and everything is going great! im ready for her to be here so i can get back to "normal". ive been off subs for about 3, 3 1/2 months now wich i still cant believe. im not taking anything and i feel pretty good. it helps not having to worry about the effect my meds will have on the baby. im realizing now, that being taken off my meds, being away from people i know and even my family, may be the best thing that couldve happened at this time in my life. i never thought i would say that. but i will be getting back on my meds after shes born.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      Im so sorry that this is happening to you. The one thing we are all terrified of happening. After reading your post earlier I called the suboxone mananger at my doctors office and spoke to her. She said that since she has worked at the treatment center (less than 9 months)they have had 4 pregnant women (3 on subutex and 1 on suboxone) that delivered healthy withdraw free babies. Their babies are healthy to date and still with their mothers. So Im assuming if CPS did get involved they didnt find anything wrong still the children are still in moms care. Of course she said that every baby and pregnancy is different and just because those womens' babies did not suffer wd doesnt mean mine wont. But of course Im freaking out more and more everyday now. Due in less than 10 days now if I go up to due date and the stress is building so obviously after reading your comment my heart rate tripled and my stomach dropped BUT to everyone reading...this doesnt mean it will happen to you- weve seen by the many posts that its a 50 / 50 gamble pretty much. (god I hate saying it like that, like Im okay with the idea of "gambling" with my child) but thats the reality of it. I wish you the best of luck "imbackkk", for you and your son.

      pdw1980- hey girl. wanting to say hi hope all is well and that ur hanging in there. how many wks r u now and hows the baby????

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      imbackkkk 6 years ago

      "mysoncameoutgreat" is my sister... and let me tell u this. MY son did not come o ut great. i was taking 6-8mg of subutex and i just delievered my son last week and hes still int he hospital with withdrawl. they started him on methadone treatment 2 days after he was born. SO YES BABIES DO HAVE WITHDRAWL FROM SUBUTEX. also the hospital DID call CPS and they are due at my house any day now. my sister did not have the same problem though. i think it has to do with what hospital u deliever at. i did everything i was posed' to and still suffering from all this BS. i want my baby home. and the methadone treatment they are giving him is a 14 day process IF everything goes accordingly. personally i dont htink his w/d were that bad after being born. but if they werent bad they are now! methadone is a horrible drug. and its not like i can stop the doctors and just grab my baby and run. so i figured i would come back to this site and update all those wanting to know. yes they do have w/d. and yes they did call CPS.

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      i would just like all of u 2 know that i have a deep respect and understanding for u all. i feel like a select few of u have become a small part of my family. when i speak to any of u, i really dont feel so alone. even though, i physically am alone, i still have u guys. this is kinda like my NA. i dont go to meetings, even though i know i should. u guys give me strength and courage. im doing well, on no meds, for the last 2/3 months. i didnt think i would over come it. honestly, im not sure i have, but i was forced to proove my strength to myself and u all have helped me do that. thank u.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      hey hey hey...any day now my doc says.Im 3 centimeters dialated and just waiting for some steady contractions to get this thing going. Im excited and nervous- naturally. The past few days Ive been weaning myself down on the mgs of subutex - Im down to about 4 mgs thru out the day, which is great considering they started me on 16mg. Right? I hope so anyway. Things have been pretty stressful with labor pains and being miserable (I know some of the yuckness is because of the sudden drop in medicine but Im hoping it will help Auzten in the end) plus being mom to my other kids...I need a nap lol.

      I seen "angies" comment and honestly my stomach dropped (as it usually does when I read any negative comment some ignorant person writes on here) even though I know in my heart I have done the right thing by being honest about my addiction, risking my children being taken away from me - it still strikes a chord deep within, and as Ive said before on this post no one knows the guilt and shame you go thru as a mother and a addict. The pain is often unbearable. Enough to have caused my relapse numerous of times. You just cant know that feeling unless thats you, and you are a mother and a addict. I think people that have never been there before seriously have no right or place to make ANY comment on it. The one thing that came to mind after reading her comment was (and I think its a beautiful thing, to adopt a child- one of the most commendable things really) but maybe Angie, your adopting a child for a reason...if its a case where you cannot have your own...but maybe God saw in your heart that you just didnt have the ability to empathize or feel true compassion and understanding. It puts me in a bad place to say these things because at this point I am being like you- judging and assuming. When you assume you make an ass outa what- out of me and YOU. I hope that you are able to show more understanding towards your own daughter than what you have shown us you are capable of at this moment...its ok hunny something in this life will knock you on your ass and hopefully humble you.

      We are doing the BEST thing in a BAD circumstance.

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      Hopefull 6 years ago

      People seek blogs like this hoping to gain better understanding, show support, and offer insight to those in need who might have a dependency or a DISEASE. It is not criminal to make mistakes and take steps to rectify the situation. It is criminal to allow someone to adopt a baby that is going to pass on their sickness of hate and judgement throughout that child's life. Anyone that would wish "hell" on another person should never be allowed the beautiful opportunity of having a child that will eventually grow up and breed hate! What if it were your child, all grown up, struggling in a situation such as this and they came to you for help? Would you kick your child in the head?? Everyone is human. At least we are trying to seek help and do the right thing. Chose your words carefully. Your comment might make someone in an already vulnerable and weak situation decide to do something like end their own life. Obviously, we all beat ourselves up enough and face enough strife for something of which we have no control. Just because someone had a dependency doesn't mean they love their child anymore than someone else that didn't.

      Anyway, going through this situation, no matter what the reason, PLEASE be honest with your doctors/nurses. Watching your baby withdrawl sucks, and many of the doctors and nurses that you will face will make you feel like less of a person and shame you. But if you are proactive now, you will find someone that will understand and help you through this! I wish I had done so sooner. After all, you ARE trying to do the right thing and that counts for something. Put shame and pride aside. As helpful as this blog is, you cannot do this on your own and you will not find the right answer. I was on a very low dose of sub and hoped for the best. As soon as my baby showed signs of w/d, I buckled up and told someone on staff. Yes, they took my baby to ICU. Yes I felt judged and shamed. In the end, the people that are willing and able to help see that I am not a bad person, I love my baby, and they are going to help me get him home as quickly as possible. That's all that matters! Hang in there, but BE HONEST. This is not a drug, it helps you stay off drugs. You have to remember that you're on it because you did the right thing. And if it's a dependency due to something that you could not control, OR you had an addiction (which IS a disease of which you have no control), than keep in mind once again, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.

      Angie, I don't ever wish hateful things to happen to anyone, as much as I'd like to sometimes. I just hope some lonely little girl who tried to do the right thing doesn't read your comment and do the opposite. And I hope your child is strong enough to not absorb your hatred. If your child was born from an addict, she could have addiction in her genetic make-up. People tend to turn to drugs or become dependent on other things when they are in an environment that lacks love and understanding. I don't know you and I'm sure you love your child, but that child grows into a person and your comment proves you have no desire to understand people. Good luck with all that.

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      sad4thesekids 6 years ago

      mamakittyof4----- I would love to hear your weaning process. And for Angie 42, There are realy good moms who end up addicted. SHIT HAPPENS. I have several kidney disorders ans was prescribed pain meds and ONLY took them as directed. 8 FRIGGIN monthes later, I stopped my meds, because I felt less pain. And a day and a half later I went to my primary due to what i thought was the flu. I was in withdrawal. I am a devoted mom with bad kidneys. Luckily my girls were born way before this, but that was just by luck or "GOD". It could have been me posting all these things about my babies. And I did what my doctor told me. No more, no less. So be careful before you judge. As you will find out soon, being a parent does not make you perfect. You too will make mistakes, the difference is, I can predict, is that you will not own up to it and ask for help and support. GROW UP! It will make you a better mom

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      noneofyourbussiness 6 years ago

      this is for the crazy woman who i cant beleave is about to adopt a baby. who the hell are you to judge someone when you have never been in there situation, first of all these ( more normal than you ) people are taking what the dr told them to take so that they dont have to be strung out on illegal drugs that hurts the baby worst, and as far as i can see the scum of society wich i refer to as ( you ) and people who still choose to take illegal drugs rather than see a dr to get help like these people on here. so with that being said ( get a life ) oh and ps: some of these people could have been born this way and your about to adopt a baby thats a addict ( so you say ) are you going to call her your little scum of society? oh pss: if you do get to adobt your going to be the one to feel the hell. just saying.

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      ignorance is bliss... im glad u were able to adopt a baby and give it what i hope to be a good life. its just too bad it will be raised by a judgmental, self ritious bitch. and u know what else??? i hope someone kicks u in the head! lol......have a nice day:)

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      angie 6 years ago

      I am adopting a baby who was born addicted to subutex and I just want to say some of u people make me sick. You are addicted and arent responsible enough to not get pregnant. you are the scum of society. Everytime my daughter cries I would like to kick all of u in the head. May u all feel the hell that you are putting your children through.

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      Poobear 6 years ago

      Okay i must have posted on another site. but i study meds.. This is going to sound sick im sure but i am going to spit out whatever is left from the suboxen into a pill bottle, I will make a base for it and see what happens. poobearonly4u@aol.com

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      boopie77_ if u want to email me, its daywallace1028@gmail.com ive talked to a few women from this sight and we r all here to support and encourage eachother. its good to know ur not alone when inside, u feel so tormented and confused. hope to hear from u soon.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      mamakittyof4- thats one thing ive been concerned about breastfeeding- i have a daughter shes 13 months and im due with this one in about 2 wks now...ive wanted to breastfeed...ive read diff things, some hospitals wont let u if ur on subs n some will. I spoke to a high risk nurse and she couldnt give me a straight yes or no about it only said she lets her methadone moms breastfeed but she doesnt work at my hosp so she couldnt say if it would b a problem or not. I wasnt allowed to breastfeed my daughter at the hosp (tho I tried when I got home but she was used to the bottle by then and wouldnt take) becuz I had pot in my system so jus worried they wont let me feed him. Boopie77- not sure theres a way to edit what uve already written..there are many other websites he can look at mayb if ur next to him u can steer him away frm this one. Unfortunatly theres always a couple negative comments from ignorant people on these threads n i wouldnt want him to read them and fuel his anger anymore. Tho I honestly think you will be fine and the subs wont even be a concern. Mayb after u have the baby u can sit down and have a heart to heart with him and tell him u need to get on subs and he mite b a little more understanding since ur not prego nemore..idk if its going to destroy ur relationship mayb u should wait n see how things play out at the hosp andif nothing comes up about the subs then leave it at that.

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      mamakittyof4 6 years ago from Chilie, TN

      boopie.....the epidural will be fine!! I've had 2 successful ones while on an opiate-inhibitor (suboxone/subutex) yes there is interference while on methadone (b/c of your heart, breathing etc.) I'm glad your ex is helpful, being a mother is a very hard job. Too bad your b/f doesn't get that :(. Nana9180, good choice going from methadone to subs. More times than not, babies born to mothers on methadone have severe w/d's. They are almost always born and have to take morphine to help their little bodies adjust to being off the methadone in your system. It's also not a good idea to nurse on methadone!!! and just a little FYI to all new mommies who plan to nurse: opiates (loratab, percocet, roxy, oxy) have been proven to increase the chance for SIDS with newborns. It depresses their immunne/respiratory system to the point that they cannot breathe well and therefore it really should never be your choice. Subs are the perfect alternate choice, for baby and mommy. Nana, please continue in your efforts to stay clean and on subs for you and your unborn baby. At this stage in your pregnacy, you have the possibility outcome to come completely off all medicince before time that your new baby arrives, hence having no w/d's. If you are not completely off, no worries, your dosage will be small enough (hopefully) that there will be no lasting effects of either medicine. Good luck, dear. Pray and pray some more. I did and I will for you and all the other mommies on here that struggle with addiction and the hope one day, that our lives before these other "nasty things" came into it, we will replace them with new more joyful ones ;)

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      nana9180 6 years ago

      hi i am 6 weeks pregnant and i went from methadone 60ml to suboxon i and hoping everything will be ok but i dont know cuz i am doing it on my own but i dont have a choice i want my baby to come into a good enviroment and to be healthy when they get here please can anyone help

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      mamakittyof4 6 years ago from Chilie, TN

      boopie.....drop that loser girl!!! You are stressed out right now and need to take it easy and relax-you're going to hold your precious baby very shortly and kiss it's little fuzzy head :)If you are stressed the baby is stressed. I'm gonna give my story a little later...lol. BUT the long and short of it is this-My b/f smokes, I don't care and he has never given me ANY shit about trying to get clean and stay here-trust me, I have really had some binges!! Kayla-yes you can nurse while on Subutex, I am. I was on suboxone first that I bought from the street after I found out I was pregnant. Then went when I was 5months to get on subutex (24mg). I'm still on it (16mg)and nursing, it has actually helped my baby to come off slowly just like mommy. She had NO WITHDRAWAL in the hospital, no NICU, no CPS, weighing in at 6lbs4oz 19inches ;) pdw1980...I'm so sorry your stupid Dr. can't help you...you should have never come off of ANYTHING cold turkey!! ATTENTION LADIES-THIS IS VERY HARMFUL TO YOUR UNBORN BABY!!! The withdrawal is so much harder on them than you. They can seizures in-utero, you can spontaneously abort, numerous things can go wrong when you abruptly stop. Take your medicine, that is what it's for!! I don't care if you get it from your friend, your dealer or in the mail...:) TAKE IT!!! and Boopie...the hospital should not test the other lady is right, its an UNKNOWN. The only way your b/f would find out is if they tell him, and they can't b/c of the privacy laws (HIPPA)!! and if it does and C/S does become involved it will look a lot better than the other stuff you could've/had been taking-RIGHT??!! You can just tell them that you will start your recovery immediately and work your 12 steps!!!! They can't get all up your butt for trying to do what's right for you and your children!!! Ladies, you can do this, I PROMISE!!! I am (well am licensed and used to be an RN another long, sad story) I HAVE A TIME-PROVEN METHOD FOR SELF-WEANING OF SUBOXONE/SUBUTEX when you are ready and anyone that wants to hear it. Just gimme a short history with your details and I will make you a plan. No w/d's, no sweats, no creepy-crawlies. This time weaning off will actually be my 3rd time but I know it can be done. I get started back up b/c I have a fractured pelvis and torn major hamstring from my leg and somehow always seem to resort to pain medication, then find out I'm pregnant. I wish I could stay off all medicine for good. This time I am going to try....REALLY HARD!! Maybe we could all work together and give each other hugs and support....xoxoxo!! You all are strong, courageous and loving mommies!!!! and to all those others who come on here to try and shame us....SCREW-OFF!!! This forum ain't for you!!!!! ;)I'll try to help any/all of you that I possibly can, and that want's it....sorry if I'm coming off with too much fire, there may be a few that don't want it and that's okay too. I am here none the less.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      hey girls- n yea I agree with pdw1980...seems like he might have some issues within himself that he takes out on you. If we could all travel back in time, it wouldve been easier (tho I kno u were scared) to tell ur ob about the subs so maybe at this point u could be legally taking them and ur bf couldnt say anything. As for the bup coming up on the tox screens for the baby, it shouldnt. They have to specfically test for that, so the subs should not come up. SHOULD NOT, not saying some freak thing mite happen and they find out. But u did say that the doc doesnt kno about them rite? If he has no reason to suspect bupenorphine, only street drugs, then thats what u will be tested on. When I had my daughter I had been takin subs and it never came up. As long as the other is outa ur system u should b good. Seems like u will never be happy or get the support u need with this guy. Any man that throws u under the bus like...idk i dont wana speak outa turn but it seems like ex hubby might have more to offer. He must care if he still helps...good luck on monday. u will b induced and get ur epidural then try to make it thru the hosp stay...get home take ur subs ..then the first thing u need to do is call a sub doc and get into a program so u wont have to wory about any of this in the future. It wont b as bad as it seems like it will now. u will get thru whatever happens. Godd luck and fuck his family (and him) with their bullshit. believe in urself and trust that everything turn out the way its supposed to- thats what I pray, not for something specfic or for something to go "my way" but just that it turns out the way its supposed to be...fate would never work against you.

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      i sware to god! we r pretty much living the same life. its kinda freakin me out a bit. as long as everything is going his way, with his plan, his people, his ideas... everything is fine. and why the hell, (if hes not an addict himself) would he even wanna try ur subs or adderall??? i think he may not be very honest w/ himself. kinda sounds like he is harboring some shame and trying to take it out on u or maybe even make it ur fault. the amount ur taking is so small u should be proud of urself for doing what ur doing. if u guys were to split, i cant see a judge giving him custody of a dog, let alone, ur child. if u need to get out, do it. if u think it can work, then it doesnt hurt to try. but i feel like im kinda in the same place, so i have no right to give u clear advice in that area. r u on fb?

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      my boyfriend had no idea i was on them either. i hid it from him for 2 yrs. in my earlier posts i talk about how i was cut off b/c im preg. i was in full w/d and someone sent me some in the mail. i was so relieved. my boyfriend found them in my purse. i never told him b/c he had already tried to take my son away from me one in 09. he did not succeed in his attempts. i was very lucky the judge saw me as fit. well, i thought for sure he would kick me out, TRY to take my son, again, even though i was sober for almost 2 yrs. but that didnt matter, he sees suboxone as a way for me to stay fucked up. he didnt understand that my suboxone saved my life and kept me away from drugs. he has now excepted it. but only b/c im not taking it anymore. i had no choice. i have no family/friends here and i guess now...im glad. i dont have to worry about the baby being born addicted. but the only reason im sober, is by default. u r about to give birth and he is going to find out unless u keep him out of the room, right? i would tell him. find a sub doc and get them legally after u have the baby or asap. let him go to ur appt w/ u and maybe he can gain a little insight into it. my bf smokes pot and i keep reminding him that hes being a hypocrit, b/c he is. its a drug too. why should it be ok for them to do something that gets them high, but its not ok for us to wanna stay sober w/ suboxone? 1 or 2 pills a day vs 20, 30, god knows what we would do if we had never found our path! i wish i didnt need it to stay sober but this is a disease. u will do the right thing.

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      robnangie:

      if ur doctor is willing to put u on subutex, do it. my suboxone doc took me off completley at 5 weeks preg. where i live, preg and sub use is unheard of and its a backwoods freaking nightmare. do what ur doc tells u to do. make sure u take as good of care of urself as u can. r u still shooting or just on subs? the fact is u dont really know how things will effect baby until its born. most of the women here have bn very fortunate and their babies are doing really well. some were born with no w/d at all. i would however at least try to lower ur dose to 12 mg for now. in about a week or so, try 8 and so on. by the time u have the baby, try to be on only 2 mg a day. i was taking 16 mg a day when they took me off. the w/d was terrible. im not in my home state so i have no friends out here. and for that reason alone, i am sober today. good luck and if u have any more questions my email is daywallace1028@gmail.com

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      RobnAngie5242011 6 years ago

      i just found out about 2 weeks ago that im 10 weeks prego i have 2 kids already that i didnt do any drugs why i was prego but i went bck to shooting dope and coke and didnt know i was pergo i have been on suboxone for 6 months and take 16 mgs a day and my doctor wants me to switcha and see a high risk dr if anybody can help me with questions it would really help me put thamks angela u can get ahold of me on here or at luvmylife8@aol.com

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      escababy4: im so glad your baby girl is doing better! pls, keep us informed on her and i will be praying for u guys. i was on phenabarbitol for yrs due to grandmal seizures, but mine were from xanax w/d. ive bn seizure free since i stopped doing them, almost 2 yrs ago. good luck w/ everything. please give ur daughter hugs for me. i know i dont know her, but siezures suck and i hate she had to go thru that.

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      escababy4 6 years ago

      REPORT: Aylah is a happy smilley 5 month old who is absolutly gorgous , although we do have are concerns.

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      escababy4 6 years ago

      this is the first time I have ever been to a site to talk about suboxone and I had my daughter Aylah On 07/01/11 and when I had her she ended up inhaling 12mm of fluids and they sent her to ST. Louis Cardinal Glennon childrens Hostpital and she was also 4 weeks early and had no surcafrant in her lungs so they had to intabhat her, and they gave her medicine to put her to sleep so that they could give her meds to help her breath. then right before she was taken they brought her to my room and when I saw her she was competly asleep but one of her arms and one of her legs kept flailing in the air and the paramedics told me that it was NOT a seizuire and they took her away. They told me that I could not leave because my epidural didnt work because of hiting the right spot on my spinal cord he had acutally had injected it in to my blood system and i could have some sort of reaction, but i left as would most moms. when we got to the hostpital Aylay

      was a limp noodle and we had no idea why and after we were there for 15 minuts a group of doctors walked in to tell me how my daughter had had a seizure for 45 min. and they had givin her fenabarbatahl a strong sez. medication they also said she had bleed on her brain and will need check ups to see how much damage she had abstained.Two days later they came in and gave me this complete bullshit story about howshe suffered a seizure from severe withdrawl and i know that is a bunch of lies #1 she was only three hous old and u dont start to withdrawl till 26 hours after you take it and i was down to taking 2mgs a day.So now she is going to her 5 month check up with cardinal glenon and they keep telling me its from (her withdrawl sez.) and even one of the nurses at the hosptal had told me she thinks she had a reaction to the meds they had givin her to put her to sleep mixed with sub. or just from the meds themself so I would advise everybody who is on this medication to advise your ob/neonatel/nicu that you are on this medication and you just want the best for your baby so please check drug interactions not just with u but for your baby up to three days after birth.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      I would like to add that after I tested positive for pot I was NOT allowed to breastfeed and I had to speak to a caseworker. I explained to her about my lack of appetite and how I told my ob that I did occassionally smoke so I would get hungry. Since there was none n her system I was ok but things could have been different if she had tested positive for marijuana. The caseworker told me they dont really make a big deal about that but if it had been herion or meth or something like that I might have had to go thru some things to get her to come home with me. I had to worry about that the 2 days I was n the hospital wondering if they were going to take her becuz of some smoke. Of all the things...but i just wanted to make sure i clarified it, I didnt want to make'light' of the situation or that is was not a big deal, it was. But I had resorted to drinking 3 ensures a day just to get some nutrients in my body. I think the subs decreased my appetite or more like made me have none at all.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      newmommysrd-I totally get u being afraid of saying something this late in ur preg...thats exactly y I didnt say anything..every app I went to I couldnt muster up the nerve to tell them I was taking suboxones. As I said above they did know about my previous drug history so they were sure to test me for street drugs and it was a topic that was brought up every time- if I had relapsed or not...but I was scared to death to tell them about the subs, thinking I would get in trouble since if u r on them without a script its just as bad as doin dope. And like I said if baby girl is wd free theres a high chance no one will know u r taking them, but u just never know. Then they will make a big deal outa it. Its better to be safe than sorry. And if u tell ur doc the same way u jus told me..that u kno u shoulda told them earlier but the fear stopped u frm doing so then I dont think u will have issues. Again, its ur decision. I took subs the whole 9 months I was preg with my daughter well honestly I didnt know until I was 2 months so the first 2months I was doin whatever and then I switched to subs. She was 100% healthy. pot was found in my system (it was the only way i would have an appetite n yes my ob knew i smoked, she said shed rather me eat and didnt see any harmful affects from smoking maryj) anyways I even smoked the night before I was induced and it wasnt in her system, just in mine. I am not telling anyone that they can do drugs and it wont be n their babies system, just theirs, Im saying in my case thats what happened. And I would like to repeat (for all u "wows") that my doc was fully aware that I smoked pot periodcally to increase my appetite. I only gained 12 pds during my preg with her and she was 7 lbs 4 oz. Anyways, at first I did snort the subs but I realized I had to stop. It was just part of my addiction. And sniffin them made me feel dirty like I was still usin.Plus when u sniff them u dont get all the medicine and u will sniff more and more becuz u need more, then that becomes a habit in itself.I was doin 4 - 8 mgs a day of suboxone with her. Now Im on the subutex and prescribed 16mgs a day but do about 8 or 10 mgs a day of that. Im very nervous hoping that he will b born wd free like his sister but n my heart I almost feel like I dont deserve it. Idk. What r the chances that both of my babies r born wd free? I was in the beginning everynow sniffing my subutex just cause but I def feel a difference as in it doesnt work as well as letting it dissolve under ur tongue so its almost a waste but then again its just the habit.If u want the best results then do it the right way. How far along r u now? R u 36 wks too? Good luck girl

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      Newmommysrd 6 years ago

      Oh & OPTIMISTIC if you do not mind me asking, how much suboxone do u think u did a day & did you let it desolve or did you sniff it? Its okay if u do not want to answer but I really want to no bc I haven't really saw ppl on here say how they take them

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      Newmommysrd 6 years ago

      Thank you OPTIMISTIC I did not take affence to anything you said! U are just speaking the truth! You are deff right ab telling them so I can get them legally & won't have to worry ab runnin out- I Just wish I could go back to when I first found out & tell then then bc, Im scared they will be like why wait so long to say something... Idk I think I shouldsay something asap & it would be better for my daughter & I no it's selfish of me not too . But I am debating bc I do not want them tomake it out to be more than it Is & I no if I can tell something is wrong & if she is just acting really diff then I will tell them for sure! 36weeks today! U will be sure to keep things posted & let u no how labor goes!

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      i dont understand y people come to websites like this n post comments. r u pregnant or on subutex or suboxone? or just have nothing better to do- addiction is a real problem and it doesnt go away just because you are pregnant. esp when u r addicted to something that makes you become PHYSICALLY dependent. most(if not all) of our doctors have advised NOT to detox while pregnant. do u think any of us want our babies to be "high and messed up" as u put it. i guess u r against epidurals during labor than too..obviously u have no business being on this site as it is clear u have never been addicted to opiates or been pregnant and addicted to opiates. i will keep u n my prayers, wow, that u might be given a softer tongue, a broader mind, and a nonjudgemental heart. or maybe i should just quote thumpers' mama and tell u- if u dont have anything nice to say than dont say anything at all. we r trying to rise up beyond the guilt so that we may live clean and sober lives. i pray that u r given patience and understanding so that if one day u r needed by someone close n ur life for support that u may b actually able to INSPIRE them instead of belittle.

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      couldntve said it better...

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      wow... u honestly make me laugh. how old r u? like 10? lol. hey everyone...please dont listen to ignorance. people fear what they dont understand.

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      wow 6 years ago

      honestly i think you guys are a bunch of idiots most of you are taking pills off the streets knowing your pregnant and knowing your wrong... Give your child a chance to be born healthy why bring a baby into this world high and messed up thats just wrong.I dont feel bad for any of you except the innocent baby your carrying

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      aww thank u pdw1980!!!!but seriously YAY for you girl! u r obviously soo much stronger than I, seeing youve been off all drugs including subs n did it cold turkey. I commend and envy you...TO NEWMOMMYSRD...wow seems like de javue (dont think I spelled that right) but I was in your exact position with my daughter Nevaeh (shes 13 months now) where I was on subs pretty much the whole time and didnt tell my doctor. I was so blessed n the fact that she did not exhibit any withdrawl symptoms and everything went well but I was terrified my whole pregnancy and even more so when I went into labor with her and the few days in the hospital. I was so scared the nurses were going to come back to me and tell me they found that in her system or in mime or that something was wrong with her (that was my biggest fear). By the grace of God all went well but it totally ruined the whole experience for me and you being a new mommy, I imagine it will do the same. Plus you just never know if your daughter will have wds n if so then u could b causing more damage by not telling your doc. I know I did the same but like I said she was wd free, the more I read about all of this, the more I see that you just never know. Thats y when I found out about this pregnancy Im 36 wks now- I said hell no Im not going thru that again so I told my doc. Im not telling you what to do by any means or judging you or anything. Im jus saying for your piece of mind and maybe for your babys safety you should be honest. idk what state you r n but i know that where i delivered, and i think its true for most hospitals they dont test for bupenorphine only street drugs so chances are no one will ever know but you about the subs (if baby girl is wd free) but what if she is not? then ud really b n a mess. really its better to tell them now so u can get into a program and get meds now because i kno u think u can wd after you have her and want to for her but thats not how it works. u will b more stressed out and the odds of u detoxn afterwards r slim. its sooo hard to detox period- add a newborn into the mix and ur n trouble. i tried it after nevaeh and failed miserably. i will def keep u n my prayers and hope all goes well no matter what you choose to do...i totally understand the predictament u r n, if ur dose is that low than mayb there wont b a prob but ive seen that the doses dont really matter it all depends on ur body and the babies body. good luck!!!! im guesing your due around me im due dec 3. the benefits of tellin ur doc include u gettn help(legally) now so that u have it after she is born. u will have ur own script of subs and wont have to go thru all the bs of getn them. n what happens if u cant find them at some point - then u go thru wds n trust me u DONT want that esp tryin to take care of a new baby. neways please dont take anything ive said the wrong way im just sayin frm someone whos been there it would b so less stressful. its hard keepin a secret that big while ur preg.

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      Newmommysrd 6 years ago

      Most of these posts have really gave me hope!! I am 35 weeks today & I just started looking up things on the Internet ab having baby's on suboxone! I have been on them my whole pregnancy & I didn't even find out I was preg until 15 weeks. I was scared to look up anything before now bc I was scared too find out alot of bad things! I get my subs from my sister, & I am debating on telling my doctor. I'm not sure how many my I do but I do no one pill can last me at least five days or more. I think I am doing maybe 1 mg a day & I do half in morn & half at night! I just need something to get me through. I pray that my daughter will be okay and not have any w.d symptoms. I think I will keep it to myself & when I go in labor if I think need be I will tell my docs. I don't want them to make it out to be more then it is! I am planning to quit after I have her I want to be clean for her & I will go thru all the w.d pain I have too for her! I no I say that now & I gues it is Way easier said then done.. I was addicted to oxycottons ab 2 years ago & I started self medicating myself on suboxones when I couldn't afford the habit anymore' I buy my subs for ab 6-10 bucks a piece! But it's getting harder n harder to find them hopefully I will be able to keep them on hand until I have the baby bc I cannot imagine loosing her to my selfishness. Please keep me & my baby girl in your prayers & I'll do the same

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      pdw1980 6 years ago

      yay for u optimistic:) ur almost there. being in the home stretch is awsome. cant wait till im there. ive bn off suboxone for about 2 1/2 months now. im finally starting to feel normal again. i find out what im having tomarrow. cant wait for that!

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      optimistic 6 years ago

      great to hear that ur doc said it was ok to breastfeed on,..that has been a question of mine. ive read yes and no that some hospitals wont let you.on subutex n just had my last ultrasound last wk im 34 wks now n baby boy is 4 lbs 4oz and all seems well.

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      churdyluvsu 6 years ago

      Hi, im 20 weeks pregnant. I have been told by my doctor that Subutex is completely safe to even breast feed on. The baby is perfect and we have watched everything very closely. Subutex saved my life. It saved my life.