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Tubal Ligation or Tubal Lies?

Updated on January 17, 2016

Tubal Ligation Video

What the Doctor may not tell you


( I must say I am not a Doctor ,this article is based on my personal experience and self research. I am in no way for or against Tubal Ligation( also known as having ones "Tubes Tied") but want to bring awareness about things that I experienced since having this procedure.)

Recently after having my fifth child, and a fifth c-section , my husband and decided to opt for a Tubal Ligation as our form of birth control. We had discussed our options previously, I ,of course ,suggested for him a vasectomy, but after much thought and his reservations, and the fact that I would be in the operating room already having my fifth child via c-section, it seemed the easiest and most affordable option.

My Doctor discussed, with me and my husband, a few things and made sure that this was our choice way before our child's due date. These are the things he brought to our awareness:

  • This is a sterilization process, though it can be reversed, there is no guarantee that you would be able to conceive( 50 to 80% chance) and the cost is high.
  • Many women have reported having extremely heavier periods, inconsistent menstrations cycles, and more painful periods, though, in his experience with his patients, it was rare .
  • Even though it was a sterilization , the risk of becoming pregnant was at 99% and most resulted in a tubal pregnancy.

I am now at three months Post-Op and I have noticed these symptoms that were not "normal" for me previous to having a Tubal Ligation:

  • Before the onset of my period, I have annoying pain on my lower left side. What I refer to as "Ovary" pain. It alternates between a dull ache and a sharp stabbing pain for about two days before I actually start to bleed.
  • For the first 2 days of my period, it is light flow, almost a spotting of "old blood"
  • For day three, continuing for at least two to three days, I have extremely heavy bleeding to the point I am almost homebound for fear of over flowing onto my clothes if I even go to the store.
  • For days six, seven,eight & nine, I have what I refer to has my normal( pre-tubal) period.
  • My pre-tubal . pre-pregnancy periods were normally only five days in length with moderate flow.

Of course, I began to think something was wrong with me personally and that perhaps something hadn't healed correctly so I did as most now days and went in search of others experiences. Before I list my findings, I wanted to give some statistics on Tubal Ligation:

  • About 700,000 women a year in the Untied States have this procedure done
  • 50% usually do it after the birth of a child
  • Risks of becoming pregnant in the first year are 1 out of 100 women, and if pregnancy does occur, 33% will result in an ectopic pregnancy
  • Risks of becoming pregnant in the following years increase

So, I began my research on the internet and I came across some very interesting information. When I first typed in "Tubal Ligation" most of the hits were on reversals.

As, I continued my quest for knowledge, I found out why Tubal Ligation Reversal was so popular. There is a thing called Post Tubal Ligation Syndrome, which has an extensive list of symptoms claimed by women that had not experienced these symptoms pre-tubal. The issue, in here lies,as most Doctors don't recognize their claims as being a result of the tubal, therefore, there run tests for other possible causes or even worse, some may tell the patient it's all in their head. Thus there are few Doctors that will do Tubal Reversals and in most cases insurance companies will not pay.

To fully understand these women and what they are going through I will list some of the symptoms that they mention, as I have stated earlier, though my symptoms are few, they are a part of more than 50 symptoms that women have reported , not all symptoms are felt by all Tubal Ligation recipients. However, there are many that are experienced as common denominators. For the sake of time and length I am only going to list a few of the more common out of over 50 symptoms and complaints:

  • Irregular periods- heavy, painful, inconsistent
  • Painful intercourse/ bleeding after intercourse
  • Severe PMS- mood swings,hot flashes, irratibility, night sweats
  • Painful ovulation- stabbing or constant ache
  • Changes in color of vaginal area
  • Mental Confusion/Memory lapses
  • Depression/ Anxiety

As I said, these are only a few of the over 50 symptoms gathered for PTLS or Post Tubal Ligation Syndrome.

My heart goes out to these women, even though I myself have not encountered most of these symptoms and consider myself one of the lucky ones, I know too well the pain and embarrassment of having a Doctor that tells you "There's nothing wrong with you, it's all in your head, your just depressed." or "You should try exercising more and lose some weight, you'll feel better and feel better about yourself " . Of course, this is not any of my current Doctors that have said these things to me!

Some believe that these symptoms may not be the result of a Tubal Ligation, but the result of a Doctors negligence during the procedure. Thus is my conclusion would explain, perhaps, why only some of the 700,000 women a year that have this procdure are complaining of these symptoms and are the minority rather than the majority .

But still the numbers are too high to ignore.


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      Danielle 2 years ago

      I had mine done in 2011 after my son was born. My dr swore there are no side effects and i'm calling BS!!! My periods are so heavy like the others said. Now all the sudden i'm having a barely there one. I have had my depression get worse since the surgery. My memory is shot to hell and back too. Every month i have horrible chest pains and i thought heart attack. Nope er dr said i'm ovulating??!!! Take pain pills....umm no relief well a very kind nurse came in and admitted to the same issue. I now will have to prove the pains and try to get on birth control to regulate my hormones.

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      Angelica 2 years ago

      Congratulation I wish you all the best. I am having my tubal rvrseeal done on the 29th of this month and was wondering how long it took to recover and get back to normal activities? I am travelling from the UK and excited about meeting the staff team and the prospects of having another baby.

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      Robin 4 years ago

      I know this is an old thread but I wanted to comment. I was pressured by my family to have a tubal after my last pregnancy, and I did. Almost five years later and I feel lost and sad. I think about the fact that I can no longer have children every single day. My periods are painful and heavy. If I could do things again I would not have allowed anyone to pressure me into this.

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      michelle 5 years ago

      my tubal was done in november 2010 after the birth of my second child. we had opted for this because of some complications during my to pregnancies. for the first two months my period was fine. but then in jan 11 it started going haywire. 3 mths out of 2011 i had no period. most months i had cramping one week, spotting one week and period the next week. i have finally gone back to my dr, had an abnormal pap then a biops done. that was fine. now they say its just my hormones but i disagree, im 24 i shouldn't have hormonal problems this bad. the cramps are worse than labor pains, the period is a nightmare. i need a second opinion before i decide to let them put me on the depo shot, even though i have told my dr, birth control makes my periods worse

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      Marie 5 years ago

      so I keep reading this and have so many of these symptoms !!!!!!! I am in tears reading all this. I had my tubes tied 5 yrs ago and so badly wish they would heal! I look for the number of women getting pregnant after but can not seem to find an answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!

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      KatDe 5 years ago

      I had my Tubal in 2003, I was informed by my Doctor that a tubal was right for me because I was what was concidered "allergic" to the Depo shot. He assured me I could have it reversed (he knew I was in a really bad situation relationship wise and that the guy got me pregnant twice on purpose just to try to keep me with him.) So I agreed when he said to get it reversed in 7 years so I had plenty of time to get my life straight and fine a good guy. Well I did, I left the jerk, found my dream guy, he wants to adopt my kids, and have one of our own. So I called the hospital where I got the tubal done so that they could send my operation records to my new Gyno for the reversal. Well here is the shocker. I was told by the receptionist at the hospital this "Oh honey, you can't have a reversal done!" I asked why not? I was told I could do it in 7 years! She said "Because they did not do a Tubal on you honey, Your Starilized!" I immediately broke down and dropped the phone. My fiancée ran to me, hung up the phone and asked what was wrong. I cried harder trying to tell him the horrible truth. I am going to be 37 in June, I have had horrible symptoms for the last few years. Missing periods, testing positive on HPT and then loosing it, weight gain you can not loose, massive mood swings, crying fits, and now my little belly actually moves! My periods have gone from 5-7 days normal to 2 days light and then ending. It is a cruel joke to me. But a part of me really feels that my body is trying to heal itself. Pray for me. And I advise NO ONE get a tubal ever unless you REALLY NEVER WANT A CHILD AGAIN. Because what they tell you in the office, is not the mutilation they do in the operating room. I had different Doctors for my Tubal, not my normal OBGYN. They raced... yes I really mean the whole "On your mark, get set, go!" and they obviously did not read that I was going to want a reversal in the future, because they just went to town and sterilized me. Best of luck to all of you suffering with this.

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      CARRIE 5 years ago

      I had my tubal done during my c-section almost 6 months ago. I used to have very mild 3-4 day periods, never used a whole box of tampons, and never bigger than regular. I had some cramping but, nothing too bad. Since my tubal I have super heavy 6-7 day periods, go through 2 or more boxes of tampons and a box of pads, and have horrible cramps. For the 2nd and 3rd day I have to wear super plus and an overnight pad. If I don't change my tampon once and hour I bleed over. I also bloat very badly and have horrible migraines now too. The mood swings and depression are terrible. If I had known all this before my tubal there is no way that I would have done it. Regret isn't a strong enough word for what I am feeling!!! If you are reading this and you haven't had a tubal yet but, are thinking about it the please do as much research and ask as many questions as possible. It is your body and you have to deal with it so don't let anyone pressure you into something so serious without knowing fully what could happen.

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      Jennifer 5 years ago

      Tubal ligation is awful and I regret doing it, OB pressured me into it and did not tell me anything about possible side effects.

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      Michelle 5 years ago

      Thanks for this i am 26 and I has a TL done in January I now have heavy irregular periods and bleed after intercourse and I have tons of stress and anxiety but I didn't know why bc I wasn't like this before thank you

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      Marye ross 5 years ago

      Hey i had a pain tude ties problem a long 5 year ago that why can you help me want off tude ties is less please you help me smile

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      ndoates 5 years ago

      I had my tubal done on 12/8/11 after my 3rd daughter was born. I had all 3 by c section and the doctor told me because I have high risk pregnancies that I should consider having this procedure done because the likely hood something would happen one of these times if I didn't. So I agreed. I started checking up on this tonight because I have been having pains and was curious to see if it was because of the surgery. I had severe pains when I was a teen and they thought I had endometriosis so they wanted to do laporscopy to see if that was the case and so before they could do it they did a pregnancy test and it turned out I was pregnant. After I had my first daughter my cramping stopped. I never really had a period I always had light periods where I could never wear tampons due to the fact it would be a good chance that I could get sick from toxic shock. Well after I had this surgery my periods were different, I feel like I did as a teen with my cramping, my bleeding has increased where I can now use a (regular)tampon and have it full in 30 minutes to an hour, and the blood is always darker like what you pass after having the baby! Every morning I wake up to sweaty clothes almost to the point you would think someone poured water on me. I had a few other of the symptoms on here but nothing to severe. I guess I was wondering if all you women still have these problems or if they went away over the years? If I only knew then what I know now I would have never went through thisthis stupid thing. For the women who had the reversal how much did it cost?

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      falselyaccused83 5 years ago

      I had my TL Jan. 2011. I did it after I had my 4th child. They put the clips at end of my tubes. I never had health problems like I do now since having the TL done. I have developed osteoarthritis in my spine, I have had abnormal pap smears, waiting to have a Leap procedure done I believe they call it (removing part of ur cervix) to find out why im having abnormal pap smears. And also having sharp pain in pelvic/ovary area

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      christine 5 years ago

      i had my tubes/cut/tied/burnt on jan 5 2012 is it normal for me to be still bleeding from it and its been just about 2 months?

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      Duchesss 5 years ago

      I had this done 2/8/12. still feel cram pier than usual. I had an ectopic in 2001 and the tube was removed. I was fine. I did it because my thinking is if they REMOVED a tube back then and nothing happened what could be so bad about tying the remaining one? I had three pregnancies after that removal with no don't think having one tube will hinder getting pregnant! Anyway what could be systemically different between no tube and tied tube. Tubes are not ovaries and should not effect your harmonies. I know a few friends who had it remain problem free even lost weight?!

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      jaded 5 years ago

      I have been doing my research about this because i am considering it. I don't want anymore kids, and every birth control seems to run me through the ringer. I have read many things saying "don't do it " "Noooooo" etc... but at this point it is more like ; which is worse the issues I am experiencing now with Implanon or what might happen with TL?

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      Donna 5 years ago

      Hi all, I desperately want my clips off, just the money stopping me. I also get pains where my tubes are. has anyone ever heard of someone breaking their clips? i can feel them, just wondered if they will snap if i squeeze hard enough????

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      tabitha 5 years ago

      Hi I had my tubal about 2 1/2 years ago and I have very sharp stabbing pain in my left side right before I start my period do to the fact that I have 6 children and very little money I have not been able to go to the dr so if anyone has same symptoms and has figured out what it is please let me know thanks

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      Elaine 6 years ago

      I gave birth via secearian section 4 years ago and done tuballigation too. I met someone last year and we are still together. Problem is, October 2011 my periods were pretty heavy, dark and nearly lasted 3 weeks, November the same but not on time. I usually get it the 25th of each month but got it the 6th, Last month (December) nothing...nada. Just a spot, if you can call it like that. I'm seriously thinking i'm pregnant, up to now still did not get my periods, anyone out there with advise???

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      babyk 6 years ago

      I've just had tubal ligation in January after the birth of my 3rd child and I wish I had known about this before my decision was made.

      Its past the two month mark and I find marked changes in my moods-Im usually very sociable and outgoing but now find myself stuck at home, in my room for most days!! This is very odd for me since Im a very outdoorsy person. Also Ive been having severe back pain of which I am trying yoga to ease it.

      I wish my husband had a vasectomy instead but he thought he'd lose his virility and now Ive found out that he didn't want to incase he 'got married again.' Ive just turned 27 and feel my life is over before its even begun.

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      lmfryett 6 years ago from Montana

      I have never heard of this syndrome either, and I am a nurse. Now that I have read this, I do see quite a few similarities with what i have been going through! I had a tubal done about 10 years ago, and actually have been considering a reversal. Not because of the PTLS, but because I just want to have another baby. Am I crazy? Probably so- I already have six kids! But I'm thinking now that a reversal may solve a lot of other issues I have been having!

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      Shannon 6 years ago

      I like my Dr. but she never explained the possible side effects to me before my tubal. When asked post tubal I was told there is not enough documentation to support PTLS. I am glad to see more information becoming available on the internet at least. I have experieneces all of the symptoms you have listed above. I am at the point now that I have a reversal schedule so I can get my life back and feel somewhat normal again.

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      Dr. Wendy 6 years ago from Kentucky

      I had a tubal ligation in 1986. I was never told about the risks or given any clue as to what life would be like for me afterwards. My cycles got progressively worse with each passing month. Horrible cramps and clotting kept me in bed for at least a day out of every month. The cramps were like labor pains and did not let up until all the clots came out. It was bad. I know I was on my way to hysterectomy. I'd bet most women who have their tubes tied end up having one. However, I had a reversal... and in my case it worked. (I wanted more children.) Even if one is absolutely sure they don't want any more kids, this is not the way to go. Besides... it took 13 years for my husband and I to decide on a reversal. It is very likely that something you are so sure about might be something you later change your mind on.

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      Renee 7 years ago

      Thank you so much for the article. I had my tubal 6 years ago shortly after the birth or my 3rd child. I had no idea that there was such a disorder from a tubal. Over the years I have had quite a few of the symptoms listed. My periods are painful now, the way they were when I first started my cycle when I was a teen. I also have painful ovulation and night sweats, not to mention irritability. I have experienced irregular heart beats, even racing heart beats at time, to the point that I went to the hospital. I was told that it was normal and nothing to be concerned about, but it is very frightening to be sitting still and suddenly have your heart race, to the point of feeling like it will beat out of your chest. I have had anxiety attacks a few times also, of course Dr's just tell you that your stressed and you need to take it easy. I am convinced that not very many doctors actually know what they are talking about these days. Anyway I wanted to thank all you ladies who have posted. It's nice to know that I'm not alone in the symptoms I have. Good luck to everyone!!

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      Brandi 7 years ago

      Thank you for posting this great hub. I had a tubal three months ago and have experienced depression and trouble with my memory. My periods are also not the same and I seem to always have dull cramping.

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      Kasi 7 years ago

      I had a tubal ligation close to 2 years ago, and over time developed these symptoms and more. I am now due for a laparoscopy to determine if i have endametriosis, or need to have a full hysterectomy.

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      turtle07 7 years ago

      I also wish i knew all this info before I had my TL 7 years ago and i can say that every symptom of this PTLS that I have gets worse every month and every year that goes by. I thought at first it was my body just changing but none of the symptoms have gotten any better. I wish there was a better way to help but my solution is to do the reversal on just hoping the pain and everything else will ease up or at least something will happen because i am really not happy with my decision and hope something helps.

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      FlowerD 7 years ago

      Thanks for the article! I wish I had known all this before my TL. I had my TL about 4 yrs ago. At first my periods were heavy. But then, they were almost non-existent. They would last 2-3 days and then just spotting. I thought, oh no, menopause already? I am only 39!

      I had my TR two weeks ago! My hubby and I decided that we wanted kids. Neither of us have any. They were able to reconnect my left side.

      I started my first period - its totally back to normal! No PMS, no moodiness, no anger. Its like my body has breathed a deep sigh of relief for being reconnected again (if only on one side - lol!)

      I think all women should think long and hard before they have TL. It can have far more intense effect than Dr's are willing to tell you. Thanks for the great article!!!

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      Ilona R 7 years ago

      just like all you women out there.I had my TL 1year ago and have had nothing but problems. Doctor said it's irratable bowl.I have been on all kinds of medication and nothing is helping me.I have so many problems with myself since i had this done. I have been off work for the last 4 months and just had to take a leave of absence,i pretty sure i don't have my job.All the medication is making me sicker and my GP doesn't have a clue what to do. I'm in so much pain and am bleeding all the time. At the end of my rope and don't know what to do. Sure glad i'm not crazy and that there's other women out there going through this. What can we do?

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      beachlvr_1977 7 years ago

      i am in the same position that all of you ladies are in. I had my tubes tied 2 years ago and for the past 6 months i have been having severe pain, abnormal bleeding and a long list of other symptoms that are not explainable. I dont know what to do. My doctor wants to put me on birth control????? hello that is why i got my tubes tied. I just want to be normal again. If i knew that it would be like this, i would have had my husband get done. If anyone can point me in the direction of what to do, please let me know. I have gained 60 lbs, am on anti-depressants, cannot be intimate with my husband because of the pain, go through 2 48 packs of sanitary napkins each month. please someone give me some guidence please.

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      Jenna Kennedy 7 years ago

      i am 22 years old and have two kids my first child was a boy born 3 months early while pregnant with him i broke my tail bone and never had operations to fix this problem i let it heal and of course it didn't heal correctly so since then i was put on a pain regimen and a year later a daughter 1 month early i opted for the TL when i was told by my doctor that i was for sure not going to make it to 36 weeks so my daughter turned a year old in October and i have still been on my regular pain regimen for three years now i started having problems with preventative methods to the point i started to bleed for nearly 5 months i went in for a hysteroscopy and a DNC and found i had 6 polyps in my uterus they were removed and after have my second child (both c-section) i have my TL performed now my periods evened out to where it would come at the end of the month around the 20Th then after 4 months of that it came every two weeks then started coming in the beginning of the month around the 5Th i now endure sharp pain heavy bleeding major clotting and lower abdomen pain and lower back pain i just recently moved to another state where my problems can no longer be regulated and i have no insurance i have extensive family medical history and am so scared that I'm at risk for tubal pregnancy or at one point i was told i could have endometriosis, i am scared and in pain all the time more severely during my periods which are not normal and very painful can anyone help me.

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      CatholicMason 7 years ago

      After 4 kids, my wife and I opted for both of us to fix up.

      Before she had hers done, we had the doc explain in detail what would happen and how it is achieved. Did you know that they now use plastic clips to close of the fallopian tubes? I wonder if its the clips that is causing the women in your hub the pain, or perhaps its the platics dissentigrating and poisoning the body?

      Luckily I had the doc do it the old fashioned way with cut and soucher. (and yes, mine hurt too)

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      Chin chin 8 years ago from Philippines

      I had tubal ligation 10 months ago done together with my c-section delivery of my 5th child. Still haven't had my period yet since I am breastfeeding. Oh, I hope it won't be as bad for me as what I have read. What I can feel now are some occasional pain above the area where the tubes are located. Great info on this hub.

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      lisa 8 years ago

      I had my TL 25yrs. ago, I was 20yrs.old. I have never had any issues as if nothing was done. As a teen and now I have always had pain with ovulation and pms ranging from mild to severe. 45 now and I am having hormone imbalance symptoms, not sleeping, etc.

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      Pepper 8 years ago

      I had my TL 5 years ago after he birth of my 4th child. Since them my periods have been unbareable. My lower back hurts so bad that I have a hard time walking and not to mention the horrible cramps in my stomach. I can fill a super plus tampon in 15 minutes along with overflowing a pad. For the first two days I wont leave the house. I have had too many times where I bleed right through onto my clothes. I was told that I am anemic from the heavy flow and that I need to have a hysterectomy. I am actually looking forward to that.

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      Tammie 9 years ago

      I am eight months pregnant and being pressured to have a tubal ligation. The bad part about it is that this is my sixth c-section and I would be find with not having any more children but the thought of steralizing myself makes me cry. I have this emotional outbusrt everytime I seriously consider having it done. My second child died after she was 18 months and three children later they say I am carrying a girl child. Each time I've gotten pregnant I have been pressured to tie my tubes but it seems different this time. I know I wouldn't be having my little girl now if I had listened to them.

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      Sara 9 years ago

      I had a tubal done 1 year ago and went in two months ago for anxiety and depression. They put me on wellbutrin and it made me feel worse. I told the doctor. I have had this since my son was just months old. I felt ashamed that I did it and wish that I never had it done. The doctors wanted to blame my husband for my depression because they knew he just got back from iraq 6 months prior and didn't even want to hear me out that I thought it was the tubal. They ignored my concerns and hurried me out the door. I had a really heavy period last month, could fill a tampon and leak if I didn't change it every hour. I just found out this month that I am pregnant, I am excited but also so worry it maybe a tubal pregnancy.

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      Just Toyia 9 years ago from Tennessee

      it's quite all right that you peeked- Thanks for your story!

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      MrMarmalade 9 years ago from Sydney

      Your male fan

      We had three sons, Val wanted a daughter. We had twin sons.

      Choice! Male or female. Male was quicker and easier. So that was the decision.

      Funny thing, we had some friends around on Saturday night for a game of cards.

      I am wriggling around on the seat and Ron asked me straight out, if I had had the big cut. He had had his done the previous week. I should have done mine the previous week and not been as uncomfortable that night.

      Great hub. I should not have peaked

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      Just Toyia 9 years ago from Tennessee

      Oh Carol don't tell me that! I'm just about to hit my 3 month mark for mine! However, the doctor did tell me it wasn't a 100%- did it result in a Tubal pregnancy?

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      carol 9 years ago

      The article was soooooo true . NOT only do I have all the sign and systoms you shared ,but I also became preg 3 months after my tubal .

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      Just Toyia 10 years ago from Tennessee

      Thank you Amy Jane -that pain is so irratating isn't it!

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      amy jane 10 years ago from Connecticut

      Hi - I have been through this as well. it will be a year next week and I am finally getting back to somewhat normal periods in the last couple of months. I still have pain (just like you mentioned) but on my right side. I am guessing that isn't going to change.

      Best of luck - thanks for sharing so much useful information.

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      Just Toyia 10 years ago from Tennessee

      Thanks, I am early into this and I am hoping it will ease up some- I know my hormones and my body are all in a tizzy right now because of the pregnancy...thanks for giving me some hope of better times a head!

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      Wendy Iturrizaga 10 years ago from France

      If it is of any consolation, my first few months after the procedure were marked by very, and I mean very painful periods, and extremely heavy bleading. But then, I also had the same symptoms with the coil.

      Sometime later, I am not sure when, things came back to normal.

      Good luck!

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      Just Toyia 10 years ago from Tennessee

      So sorry for what you went through- Thank you for your insight.

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      MoralsEthics1960 10 years ago from Florida

      It is so amazing what you will find.I never had this info when mine was done after my Daughter was born.

      My first husband demanded it be done or he would do it his self.

      I never wanted it ,but during my c-section he pressured me into.

      I remember crying and begging the doctor to cut ,burn and tie and that is exactly what he did.

      When I remarried after he died a couple of years later.I found out when I went in for a check -up.

      My 2nd husband and I wanted a child together.

      I was told there was so much damage that I would eventually need a hysterectomy.

      I experienced what you have gone thru and it is a nightmare.

      Good luck and hope everything goes well if you get the reversal.

      my suggestion is look into it sooner rather than later.

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      Just Toyia 10 years ago from Tennessee

      I agree Patty- Thanks for the comment

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      Patty Inglish 10 years ago from USA. Member of Asgardia, the first space nation, since October 2016

      I did not know about PTLS, but am not surprised. No easy way to stop the body from wanting to work normally.