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What Are You Dreaming?

Updated on April 3, 2011

What does it really mean?

As a sleep professional, I have participated in many discussions, seminars and theories about dreams and what they mean. I have watched hundreds if not thousands of people sleep. I have seen inside their heads while they slept. I have heard sleep talkers and then personally talked to them right after they have woken up. Of course, I would never tell the patient or subject what they vocalized. I would ask them if they remembered having any dreams and allow them to report what they remembered.

For those of you have never had a sleep study, it is a very comprehensive process. Various electrodes and sensors are attached to the body. Electrodes are placed on the head using a universal and measured placement at predetermined reference points. The purpose of this is to monitor brain activity before and during sleep.

Sleep latency is the time that it takes for a person to go from wake to sleep. A normal sleep latency would be approximately ten to twenty minutes. During wake, your brain waves are very fast. As you fall asleep, the brain waves slow down, markedly. As you move from stage to stage, it is obvious to the trained eye which stage you are in. During deep sleep, the brain waves will increase in amplitude (heighth) and they become much wider.

A normal person goes from wake, to sleep, to stage one, two, three, four then REM. It typically takes a person approximately 90 minutes to achieve the first REM cycle. Dreaming can occur in any stage of sleep, however, it is most vivid while in REM. Dreams that happen during REM are usually easier to recall.

As you move through the stages of sleep, they will become progressively longer during each cycle of sleep. A normal person would have approximately five cyles of sleep each night if they sleep for the recommended eight hour period. This is why you may notice that you wake up from a dream as the alarm sounds. You would typically be in your longest stage of REM.

In the sleep lab setting a patient will be monitored by camera and sound. The sound system is voice activated and both audio and video are recorded and saved. If a patient/subject verbalizes something during sleep a good sleep tech will try very hard to figure out what the patient vocalized and note the digital record and make a note in the chart. All of the tech's that I worked with would re-wind the record, crank up the sound and try to figure out what was said.

I am not going to quote any scientific facts or studies. I am simply telling you from my experience what I believe. No one can tell you what your dream means. You would be surprised at how many patients would ask me if I could see what they were dreaming. I am totally serious. So for those of you who are wondering, the answer is absolutely not. All we can see are your brain waves. That's it.

A dream dictionary is garbage. Dreams are personal. The dreams that you have may have meaning to you, but they are specific to your experiences and feelings. Many dream interpretations apply one or two meanings to a word. Do not pay attention to these, I can assure you it is bogus. For instance, teeth dreams. People like to pick that apart. Many people have them. I looked online at a dream dictionary and it says that teeth dreams signify failures!

Teeth dreams signify bruxism or stress. I have had dreams that my teeth were falling out, how many of you have had a similar dream? Do your jaws ache when you wake up? The dream means your a bit stressed or you may have bruxism. This is teeth grinding. You can get a mouth guard for that. It is very detrimental to the teeth and the enamel.

I monitored a subject in a research study. He participated in a study to test a sleep drug for FDA approval. He was approximately 60 years old and had very short hair. I went in to wake him up and he was lauging and telling me that he dreamed that he had dreadlocks. This was pretty funny really, the wires attached and bundled behind his head were probably the culprit.

I also had a patient who mumbled a bit and shouted, "Cheeseburger!" I am sure that he was hungry. I looked for that definition in the dream dictionary and it told me to put in another symbol.

One theory is that dreams are our minds way of working out our problems while we sleep. Another is that while we are sleeping our thoughts seep from our subconscious mind into the unconscious mind. That would be more believable to me. Another theory I have heard is that the problems we do not want to think about during our waking hours present themselves in dreams. That is a possibility I would be more inclined to believe. Again, it would have a personal meaning and certainly not a universal meaning.

Spending time recording your dreams and looking them up in a dream dictionary may be fun but don't put any stock into them. Better yet save your money.

Your dream belongs to you.

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    vespawoolf 5 years ago from Peru, South America

    What an interesting line of work. I often have vivid dreams and my husband says I move around a lot and talk in my sleep. I totally agree with you, though, that dream symbolism is bogus. Things are, more often than not, quite straightforward! I think I most often sleep restlessly because of stress. Thank you for a great hub.

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi Audra - thank you! Sounds like you were stressed! Your brain waves probably would have looked tall and wide as I bet you were in deep sleep. Not REM - in REM the normal persons body is sort of paralyzed (they think so we don't act out our dreams) talking and walking - usually very deep sleep. You would have pretty peaks and troughs:) lol

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    iamaudraleigh 5 years ago

    Wow, your followers are awesome! It is funny you just wrote this. My boyfriend said I was dreaming the other night. He said I was scratching my chest, grinding my teeth, and rambling words through a closed mouth. I wonder what my brain waved would have shown! This piece was fascinating! Voted up!

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    Justin W Price 5 years ago from Juneau, Alaska

    do you know of any in Portland, Oregon, or where I could find said information??

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi PDX - your welcome! If you want to be in a research project you should check out my hub on How to be a sleep tech - I linked information for investigational sleep studies! Check it out and maybe you will find some help and cash:) lol

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    Justin W Price 5 years ago from Juneau, Alaska

    I've actually always been fascinated by dream interpretation and by sleep studies. I also suffer from sleep apnea and I'm looking for a paid study in the area to learn more. Thanks for sharing this HUB!

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi ThinBen - Thank you very much! I enjoy reading about it too but a lot of it sounds pretty silly:)

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    ThinBen 5 years ago from texas

    I have always enjoyed reading Freud theology on dreams but never really bought into it. It's kind of silly. thanks for the article

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hilarious Sholland - you just reminded me of a research test I did - I would have to ask the subjects how they rated their wakefulness or alertness and one of the choices was:

    "I feel fresh as a daisy" ....I was like really??? That is what you want me to ask the subjects every day? If they are feeling as fresh as a daisy? ok! LOL

    I hope you are feeling fresh as a daisy! lol

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    Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

    LOL Going to go get my "beauty" sleep right now. :-)

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Sholland - you are right on! Oh thanks for saying that - yes! - everyone should research new pre scripted meds too! And also check for contra indicators of meds they might already be on. Folks can call and ask any pharmacist questions over the phone as well! Great point there - just because a doctor prescribes it doesn't mean it might not cause problems.

    I hope you are getting your naps...I have to say you look gorgeous every time I see you! LOL

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    Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

    Absolutely, research should be done before taking anything whether it is prescription or herbal. It is L-theanine (I noticed I misspelled it above). I was in a natural health shop one day and asked about it. I went home and looked it up in several different places and decided it was worth a try. Sleep is so important, and we are in an extremely busy world. I am just so glad there is research in sleeping disorders. A few decades ago, nothing would have been done. Keep up the good work, and I will keep taking my naps. :-)

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    sholland - I do worry about some of the herbals, but I know that you do your research! I only caution people to research it before they take it and make sure they know all the facts and what it is for. Some people will just take anything! I do use a few herbal supplements! I am so glad you found something that helps and if it does - you keep on using that! LOL I hope all your dreams are sweet ones:)

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    Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

    I take the meds my doctor prescribes, but sometimes stress and anxiety can get the best of me in those situations. Since you are medically inclined, you may not approve of herbal supplements, but I use L-thenine which blocks anxiety and keeps my wheels from turning at night. It doesn't make me sleepy, so I can take it any time of day. It just blocks the chemicals that cause anxiety and worry and helps me deal with it better and to sleep better. :-)

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Sholland - it really is! I have seen and heard some amazing tales! Lol.

    I'm so glad they found so ething that works for you! My girl - I could tell too - during her high school finals I was worried I should just tie her to the bed! Lol.

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    Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

    Until I had my sleep study, it was a real ordeal. The meds help. You are so right about there being something going on during these episodes. My mother used to say she knew when something was bothering me because I would walk or talk more. I was always tired, too. I'm so glad you figured out what was going on with you daughter.

    Wow! It is amazing what we can do in our sleep.

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    sholland - My oldest daughter did lots of that...and it is what clued me into this profession. I worked for one of the doctors that interviewed a few of the people that committed murder in their sleep! She did believe that two were telling the truth and at least one liar...it was a long time ago we talked about this.

    People can be in a state where it is almost as if the brain is half awake and half asleep. These episodes tend to be correlated with times when you are sleep deprived already and there is some emotional thing going on - which could mean mid term time, or final exam time (not necessarily an actual emotional issue). Stress can also be an additive to the cocktail. My daughter, for example, walked out into the ship while sleeping on a cruise! She was about 12 and my parents woke up and could not find her right after they left Aruba. She was sleep walking!!! OMG! I sure hope she was wearing the cute pajamas! lol

    So you should try to make extra sure you are sleeping when there are extra exciting things going on in your life. You - of all people - may not be surprised to learn there are very many accidents that occur due to this problem! I wonder if you need another sleep study!

    Thanks so much and thanks for the share!!!

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    Susan Holland 5 years ago from Southwest Missouri

    Another great hub! I used to have dreams where I would carry on a whole conversation with my husband and not remember a thing. I have woken up outside and not remembered how I got there. I would walk and talk in my sleep. I finally decided to have a sleep study done when I woke up standing in the middle of my living room holding my 2 year old daughter. I don't remember the dream or the why or how of it, but I remember it scaring me to death thinking I could have hurt her without even realizing it. I have read stories and watched movies about people committing crimes in their sleep and not remembering it. I believe it. I don't think I have committed any crimes, but I have wakened the household with a blood-curdling scream and not remembered a thing about it. The stories my mother and husband could tell... There are times I do remember dreams, and they are usually either terrifying or really weird...

    Anyway, a very interesting read!! Voted up, useful, awesome, and interesting and shared. :-)

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi Winsome - it's good to see you! I did see that movie - it was great! Another one that is kind of old that was really - maybe more strange but a pretty good flick was "Bad Dreams."

    I hope you have the best Christmas ever! Thanks so much!

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    Winsome 5 years ago from Southern California by way of Texas

    Hi RH, just checking in to see how you be. Did you ever see the old movie Dreamscape with Dennis Quaid and Kate Capshaw? The scene where he enters her dream is quite memorable. Thanks for your tireless writing and commenting and have a very Merry Christmas. =:)

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi Kim - I am so glad if any of this info is helpful! Sleep is so important in children and research is proving that sleep has a lot to do with behavior and learning. Now days - parents can help cut the problem by eliminating caffeine and lots of sugar. Caffeine can stay in the body for up to 10 hours!

    Thanks fo the read and your comment! Good luck!

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    kims3003 5 years ago

    The information in this very well put together and written hub helped me with some issues my son is having and has been having with sleep and dreaming for a long while Thanks for a very informative hub - Look forward to reading more by you.

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    Kelly Umphenour 5 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Awesome ZZ! That is fantastic! Now you just keep wearing it after you get your machine - if you have any problems during the year with allergies or nasal congestion ask for a heated humidifier. If they did a split night with you - that is you did the sleep study and they woke you up during the first night to use CPAP for the second half of the study - you must have had some significant apnea going on. You will feel great after you start getting a good nights sleep! Check back and let me know how you're doing. There can be random irritating things so let me know if you're having any problems. Make sure they fit you with a good mask - sweet dreams!!

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    zzron 5 years ago from Houston, TX.

    Hey girlfriend, cool hub! I wanted to let you know I had that sleep study last week and the last half of the night the CPAP mask was used. I think I liked it. I should hear the results of the test later this week.

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    lol yeah a lot came from being dad's pal! Hanging out under the car I learned the names! Oh yeah the infamous distributor cap. Funny how after it cost money you're told you're right. Finally my friend said he was going to stop telling me sounds the car makes LOL! Then he does! duh lol! I say "oh that's thingamagibobulator" LOL and he covers his ears like a kid and said 'DON'T SAY IT, IT'LL COME TRUE" It cracks me up cos um, if that's indeedy the problem of course it's going to come true. I've told him to get RID of his caddy, for months, only after a few grand he's decided.. the caddy's gotta go. I LOVE saying "Told ya so na na" to a guy LOL! But once it's deemed an electrical problem, the car is junk unless you're going to take the WHOLE THING apart and follow every wire, it's still probably going to be junk. (The car is junk and on it's way out btw) LOL. Hey, maybe we should get together and build a groovy superhero hubber car LOL it'd NEVER have problems, except for people who jumped out. ::ahem:: anyway ;) if you get time hop over and see my lol cats hub :) I think the other hero's flew the coup! (not to say these fine people above aren't lol!) It's getting summer all the kids want to play outside! ::sigh:: so do I but then again I hate to sweat LOL! :)

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Savant! Haha! You are to much Kat! You kill me! I totally believe you have excellent mechanical reasoning. I am very good with mechanical skills - maintenance and fixed everything from pulse oximeters to amplifiers. It was really fun for me and I bet you like pizzles a lot too! I also had to drive a lot of cars that were pieces of crap so I'm pretty good with cars too - it used to surprise Dave a lot because he isn't really like that! Haha! His car wouldn't start one morning after we were newly married, it was raining and wouldn't turn over - I knew immediately it was the distributor cap - must have gotten wet. He thought imwas full of it until the garage told him that was correct:) LOL

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    Don't I get an insight accolade? LOL j/k heheh... thanks I don't think I'm like.. smart, I'm a smartass tho cos if I was smart I'd be rich! lol!!! (Actually getting ready to do a hub of all these people who ask, how comez I dunt get monie fastr at hubpages" omg I want to choke them LOL!)

    Nah, I don't think I'm smart I just had to go through a lot of stuff to help keep my parents alive and figuring out stuff on my own! I've always done everything in my life by the process of elimination. And worked out worst case scenario in my head before it would get to it, I could prevent it, I don't know how many times I actually prevented accidents LOL on the road, but I've seen that I have. THEN TO TOOT MY OWN HORN I played a hell of a trumpet hehe JUST KIDDING I don't think I ever seen one ;) heh.. I dunno why I scored 98% in mechanical reasoning and nobody applying to GMC beat my score, and Kel, I had NO idea what it was for! LOL They just gave us sheets with like a gazillion (not a real number, but google is lol) gears and everyone had to say if the top one turned left what way did the bottom one tun and I could see them & get them right. Whats the name... idiot sumyhin lol

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Kat yes I can tell you are well schooled:) I think you're very insightful as well! I have mentioned this somewhere before but I saw an interview of Marilou Henner. She can remember very single day of her life! They tried to test her by using monumental dates or historical facts but she knew everything about the dates they randomly chose. She could even remember what she was wearing. Amazing! There are other people like that and they studied their brains and each one had a larger portion of working brain matter than the norm!

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    Thanks RH! No it is true that stress, depression or anxiety are not always the cause of hypnogogic OR hypnompic hallucinations, THAT'S the reason I was given an MRI to see if I had a tumor or aneurysm. I have all symptoms of an aneurysm, but I don't have either, that's why I mentioned that other little thing (name escapes without going to look) that is under the bridge of your nose, they can see it by looking through your eyes. Mine is different but not the CAUSE either, mine were both caused because of anxiety and depression. Not "learned" anxiety there's a difference in that brain chemistry. My earliest memory is at 5 months old. I remember it today like it was yesterday.

    You can imagine the look on a mothers face when her child starts telling her of something that happened at 5 months. This is what I'm thinking could of happened to gr82, a memory before people would think she could remember, because I know for a fact it's possible.

    I'd taken just about every sleep medicine on the market up until the mid 90's, which meant all through my childhood. Nothing worked because it wasn't the root of the problem.

    When I was about 14 I started smoking pot and they subsided and I started sleeping through the night until I was about 15 and a friend started sneaking us valium, and with the two, both the hypnogogic & hypnompic hallucinations, anxiety went away. (My Granddad would be so glad to know his house didn't scare me, and the shades didn't float lol) I don't claim but one living relative because they don't judge me or my actions. So needless to say I would rather be the outcast in my family "the druggie" than to be in a mental hell without, although my state is decriminalized, it is still hard to come by MJ so that I lack for depression. But valium kind of helps a bit even though I'm at the highest dose allowed by law. I only need the smallest amount of amatriptyline, but at least I sleep! lol. And I don't usually ever remember a dream:) but it's hard to stay with the Ama during the hot summer months.

    I think gm82 should look into hypnosis to see if this dream that is scaring her isn't childhood related.

    Another thing people do not know that when a female is molested before puberty, their whole brain chemistry changes and it's irreversible, and the child suffers for the rest of their treated or not. Although some of the smartest and best doctors and health care professionals have been molested but use every waking moment to repress those memories the most of their brain is used for learning, but they sleep like the dead, and wake refreshed because it's their brains way of coping with what happened, although later in life when their body's begin to tire, it floods back (and the Freudian's out there would refer to it as "flooding.") And we know what happens when the flood gate opens aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :/

    Ok I'm done being smart now, and need to go to my stupid world because I need to start helping my own hubscore LOL!

    PEACE everyone!

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    @Toby - too funny! Well maybe you will have to have a talk with your unconscious mind and sharing! Thanks for the read and comments!

    @Sun-Girl - wow - thanks so much for reading and leaving your awesome comments! I love writing about a little bit of everything - it just doesn't get boring. I'm going to have to check out your hubs too!

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    Sun-Girl 6 years ago from Nigeria

    Am so happy to read from you again real housewife,actually i have decided to make you one of my favorite fans who i so much enjoy their article because each new article of yous always come with a great information.Just got inspired again true this particular article about dreams.CHEERS!

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    Toby Simon 6 years ago from Kansas City, Missouri

    i wish i could remember all details in my dream! haha...but my unconscious mind keep storing my dreams on my mind..hahaha..

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Sweet! I hope it helps!

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    gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

    Real, thank you. I did go over and talk to him

    Tina

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    I think it is because you have unanswered questions. You have associated anxiety with those dreams and it is quite unresolved it sounds like. I think we all associate anxiety with the thoughts of what is not understood or known by us.

    I think Spirit Whisperer would be a great person to ask! He's a dream interpreter and one. I think is spot on. Check him out! I am going to reveal this in a hub but I tried his hypnosis CD and got great benefits!

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    gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

    Real, I wonder how come even though it happened years ago and I don't remember much of the dreams they still scare me

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    I think Hypnagogic can occur during sleep too - I'll have to fact check that one! I knew hypnopompic happened while awake so I unprofessionally ruled it out! Haha!

    Tina - also don't forget the benefits of deep breathing - it slows the parasympathetic nervous system down which will help the anxiety naturally!

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Tina - it is very common that people who experience this do not remember the dream content. Laurel (my 22 year old) had night terrors as a small child, it's how I was steered into sleep kind of - anyway I took her to doctors and had tests done, etc., here's what's up - she would look like she was awake. I could even talk to her and she might answer me in a way that seemed as if she comprehended. Laurel looked like she was awake except the glazed eyes and non sensical behavior. Often screaming and thrashing. The docs said that as horri le as it sounded when she

    was having a night terror I may as well close the door and go to bed. She wouldn't remember a

    thing about it in the morning. She never did! They did not believe it had anything to do with stress or psych issues (I would have had her treated)! Eventually they saidmshe would grow out of it. Here's the big butt of it - since she has a tendency to sleep walk/have terrors they will be more likely to reoccur during times of stress and possibly combined with sleep deprivation. Those factors can contri ute to a trigger - so when she has final exams for example - she will probably sleep walk. She actually got out of bed while on a cruise to Aruba with my mom and was walking through the ship in her p.j.'s!

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    gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

    Hypnagogic H.

    Hypnagogic hallucinations are vivid perceptual experiences occurring at sleep onset while hypnopompic hallucinations are similar experiences but occurring at awakening.

    This is what I found on Sleep - Eval Research site.

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    gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

    Real & Kat, to tell you the truth as terrifying and real these "dreams" seemed I really can not remember today what they were about. I do remember seeing little beings standing next to my bed! I also still get that anxiety scared feeling when I think about it. Even right now writing about it, I feel scared and I do not know why.

    Tina

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Kat - sorry I for so excited about Tina's comment I didn't see yours yet! Very good Kat! The only thing I'd like to comment on is that this condition is not completely understood and may not always be related to stress or anxiety. There are some other medical causes. I have heard of sleep technologists who have been sued for malpractice - I really hesitate to give any info that even borders on medical advice:) it wouldn't be prudent! (church lady! Haha)

    You are oh so smart Kat!

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Wow! Tina - are you referring to hypnagogic hallucinations? Sorry you had to experience those! They can be very terrifying and it has to do with the muscles becoming sort of paralyzed while your brain seems to be awake! Very unusual! I'm sorry I'm finding this so fascinating - but it is because it doesn't happen to tons of people.

    I do not think you are talking about cataplexy - related to narcolepsy. I believe the sudden attacks where the muscles go limp - can be triggered by many things, laughter even, and you would

    maybe slump to the floor. That happens while awake though.....

    Thanks for those interesting comments!

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    Tina, they are night terrors. What you are experiencing isn't nuts because of UFO's. They appear as different things. Most common are a white cloudy thing floating around you or a huge black swooping thing that might look like a cape. They're called hypnogogic & hypnompic hallucinations. It doesn't mean you hallucinate, and they are usually caused by extreme anxiety and/or depression. I've had them all my life. You're ok and not nuts! :) I too was afraid to go to sleep. But if you stay awake for 6 days without any coffee or drugs, then you will be sleep deprived and hallucinate but not like a mental illness of Schizophrenia. Not being able to move is sleep paralysis. But you should tell that to your doctor to get correct medication so you can sleep better and have better days without feeling bad of no sleep! Good luck.

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    gr82bme 6 years ago from USA

    Real, for a while I was having very bad dreams. I was afraid to go to sleep! Some call them night terrors.I will not go in to what they were (had to do with UFOs)because people think you are nuts if you do. There is another word for it but i can not remember what it is. It seemed like I was wide awake but I could not move or scream. They went on for months. I slept with my light on.

    Most times I do not remember dreaming but I have read that we have at least 5 dreams a night.

    Tina

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    Wow, yeah all this sleep talk and nobody mentioned lucid.. it's SO interesting but like I said steals that part of the REM you're controlling. I think maybe they don't do dream studies because they are personalized. But I rarely dream anymore FINALLY after 40 years of trial and error! duh it's a wonder I'm alive! LOL My friend has Narcolepsy and sleep apena! I said "Am I so boring you fall asleep MID SENTENCE" and he still snoozes but does a lot better with that machine. But you can't use it if you have a cold or anything so that sucks. If he didn't have heart problems I'd tell him to get speed (add med lol) from the dr. Yeah that too.. 20 years ago, Adderall the add drug THEY GIVE KIDS.. (which steals their sleep, and trains their brains to need a drug) used to be called Dexies. Desoxin or something I forget. They changed the shape, color and name, and now it's add med! Pisses me off. I mean it's a potent speed for an adult let alone a kid. I told someone DON'T PUT YER KID ON IT, QUIT SMOKING POT FOR A FEW MONTHS AND HIRE A TUTOR.. sure she has add and shot up to honor roll. But didn't sleep worth crap, then gained 20lbs for a KID.. so they took her off it, now she can't carry on a conversation so other kids make fun of her it's sad. See bbg's hub that I rant about how I did all this evil stuff from here! ... the mother is pissed at me cos I WAS RIGHT.. she hates to be wrong. Hey it's not my fault my parents let me skip school and go to the library to study lol. I didn't miss my calling, see I coulda helped HER if she listened to me and cut the pot for herself, obviously the kid isnt' dumb if she could learn, just needs more time that's it.

    Yeah when I said Marc Bolan has nothing to do with it, he had EVERYTHING to do with it. I used to sit in the library and listen to his music and read the PDR every new one that came out. I still have a couple, but those little things most people read the side effects then toss out. I look them up! lol. I mean even the chemical make up. Benny's..er.. benzo's are NOT all the same like people think. Stop klonopin abruptly and start having seizures!!! NOT the same as other benzo's that do effect heart rate too.

    I know TOO WELL about nose sprays, and hate thinking of them. THEY'RE ADDICTING TOO! If you get a cold, SUFFER through it and don't use them, not even ONCE. I had to go on a nose spray steroid AND the medrol dose pak twice to get off them and it was still hell. The dr said the second time I said "I know I can get off it with ONE MORE.. he said "i can lose my license" and I begged like a junkie for heroin LOL but promised I'd make it work. Hey when you find yourself going out for nose spray at 3am because even your watered down bottle won't work.. you're addicted! There is no way I'll use them. EVER.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Wow Kat - don't apologize for a long comment! You have lots of information to share. You sure know your pharmacology - maybe you missed your calling:)! Lol! I don't know that much about drug/drug interactions - I do know benzodiazepines are tricky though. I did a bunch of chart work - crazy what can go on. Did you know that anyone with high blood pressure should check with their doc before using nasal spray? Yeah - bad for you! I honestly can't remember what's in the sprays - but too bad people aren't more aware of what can hurt them!

    I have never researched lucid dreaming at all! Our lab - did research for clinical work or FDA approval of drugs. No dream studies! I asked a lot though if they would. I still went to seminars and comdpferences with regard to the newest research - all the tech's were super smart and we discussed this endlessly.

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    Katharella 6 years ago from Lost in America

    Um.. (my favorite word) ;) I was searching for some input for a hub I'm working on and accidentally posted to someone else what I was going to say to you. lol. Umm.. DUH. Anyway I think I fixed it and added a follow to the lady, I forgot her name because it took so long to read these replies! :) lol.

    Nobody mentioned lucid dreaming but did say something about wanting to finish a dream. Sorry if I forget the names, but yes it is possible to pick up where you left off and it is possible for you to control what happens in a dream. I studied it off/on since I was 14, learned it and was able to do it. The problem with it isn't that it steals your REM sleep stage, because that's the point of doing it is to control REM, but it steals what the REM stage DOES for your brain in order to feel rested because you're concentrating on what you want to accomplish in your dream. Not everyone can do it, or has the time to learn to do it, because it is hard to do. At 14 I had the time! lol.(Despite all my tardednesses ;) I tend to read more than the average bear, and also know Freud, and after reading this hub, and replies realize that I was right about something I almost was going to consider myself wrong about) AnywaY..;) lucid dreaming is usually because someone wants to do something considered taboo in real life, but not pay the consequences. At the time (showing age here) I wanted to steal records, and not care. It took about a month of learning, and trial and error to do it, but I did it. You're not supposed to interact with others because it throws off what you have planned for your dream. In my case, the sales lady telling me I had to pay for them made me wake up. It was frustrating after all the practicing, so I stopped trying it, I started getting better sleep when I DID "finally" sleep, BUT that was not the underlying problem. My sleeps been screwed up since before I can remember, before I started school. Even my pediatrician had me on sleep meds since a young age so it wasn't until I was in my 30's did it take the chief of staff of neurology in Henry Ford Hospital- Detroit, to figure out (that little thing Stu mentioned that is under the bridge of your nose) mine is different than any they've ever seen. When my neurologist practically threw down his little "look in your eyes to see your brain" thingie lol, and ran out, signed me into about $20,000 worth of tests on it/me I told them if I had to live sleepless as I was, then I didn't want to live. The allergy dr. gave me valium and said I was stressed. (YA THINK??)lol. But the neurologist gave me Amatriptyline (Not Elavil because the brand name isn't as good as the Myland brand, and they don't make brand anymore as of last 3 years anyway) and it ALL stopped. No more grinding my teeth, I woke feeling refreshed/rested and both the hypnogogic & hypnompic hallucinations stopped. I was literally begging them to give me something to STOP the night terrors. I refuse to take any ssri drug. Soma isn't an allergy drug, I don't mean to be rude to the lady who said that, she might have it mixed up with another, but Soma stops muscle spasms, and mixed with vicodin (or hydrocodone either norco is the same thing just with less tylenol, so is better for your liver for long term or chronic pain) together are a legal form of heroin mixed by chemicals in your body. That's why druggies who can't get heroin get addicted to them together, Soma is extremely hard to get unless you don't have addictive chemical imbalances. But true vicodin/hydrocodone is a stronger type of what used to be codeine. That is what helps her (I think Austingirl??) said that, it helps with valium together because valium is different than other benzo's it doesn't effect the heart rate, thus, less chance of interaction or overdosing. Oh, hydrocodone also helps RLS better than RLS meds.(restless leg) Other Benzo's do effect the heart rate. But for anxiety they bind onto the GABA in the brain and lengthen them so whatever process you need is lengthened. It also has a longer wash out period, and tends to build up but it doesn't necessarily mean you need more. The other benzo's are shorter term and shorter wash out period.

    The BuSpar is best with xanax due to wash out times, but can be helpful alone. They're older drugs with more experience, some long term effects from ssri drugs are not irreversible. (thus, many of them being sued in class action suits) I wouldn't even try Ambien because it has not been on the market for at LEAST 20 years. They don't know the long term effects yet. I think (without looking it up) that it was Ambien and xanax and not a large amount is what caused that kid Heath ledger's heart to stop, I hope those who take a benzo with an actual sleeping pill is careful. But in the winter (because heat stroke possibilities) Amatriptyline starting out in small doses is like a miracle drug imo ;) Don't take vicodin with cimededine (generic ucler med) but try to get either prilosec or prevacid because they are ok to mix. But always ask the druggist if there's any question to what will mix with what. Sorry you have chronic pain too Austinstar. Please be careful with any sleep & benzo mix. NOT THAT I SAT AROUND AND READ THE PDR FOR LIKE 15 YEARS OR ANYTHING SO DON'T THINK THAT. :) AND MARC BOLAN HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ::AHEM:: lol!

    RH sorry my reply is long I just would hate for any of these nice ppl to be hurt cos of an interaction. I have to go stare at the ceiling now. :)

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Tug - I am urging you to talk to your personal physician or the nearest sleep lab. You have something going on and if you get to the root of the problem you will be so happy! You will feel so much better!

    Call now;)!

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    tugbo200-5 6 years ago

    RealHousewife

    I consider myself lucky if I

    get 4-5 hours a night,sleeping

    pills ruin my day.

    Tug

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi tugbo200-5 - this is not an easy answer. Most people do wake up to go to the rest room some time during the night. This is a biological function having nothing to do with dream content at all. We go through several sleep cycles each night - often waking for seconds or a couple of minutes each time. If your bladder is full the brain will get the message and give you a kind wake up call before you wet the bed:)

    But -- if this is happening a lot I would wonder if you have something such as sleep apnea - then that could be the cause of your frequent waking at which point you happen to notice your bladder is full so you get up to eliminate.

    The main question with regard to healthy sleep is - do you feel rested when you wake up? If youfall asleep when in a sedentary position for just a few minutes then you are overtired. If this is the case please speak to your doctor because you can not replace good sleep or it's effects with pills or anything else. Sleep is vital for a healthy body and mind:)!

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    tugbo200-5 6 years ago

    RealHousewife

    I for one think I have it all figured out

    but more then likely wrong.

    I believe whenever i have a dream ,I get up,not

    because of the dream,the dream is telling the body

    "get Up" the reason being you have to go to the bathroom

    or your shoulder hurts from bad sleep position or whatever the case my be.

    Could this in any way be connected to dreams.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hi Sue B - first thanks for reading and commenting! I appreciate that. While I tried to stay neutral most of the time - I do not encourage dream dictionaries. I see your point about exploring other opinions but I think they are very personal. What one picture in a dream may mean to you - may have a completely different meaning for me. It would be based on our attachments to those symbols.

    I did not mean to imply dreams are not important at all:) I think they are. I just don't think they are so insignificant that a dictionary can capture all the meanings. To do so could even be sending someone the wrong interpretation. I think many of those dictionaries are money scams and should not be given much weight.

    I'll have to check out your hubs:)! Thanks so much for your addition!

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    Sue B. 6 years ago

    I was hoping to find more people interested in dreams here!

    RealHousewife- I agree with only some of what you said. You did make points in this hub and represent a perspective.

    In general, I think people seek mystical and exciting meanings to their dreams. Dream exploration is a wonderful tool of self-discovery. I find dreams absolutely fascinating and have written a few articles about dreams.

    Only the dreamer truly knows the meaning of their dream yet I do find dream dictionaries and the opinions of others helpful-- even if just to hear an interpretation I can eliminate.

    Dreams are more than one thing. This is what I find interesting about the what are dreams debate. Dreams can reflect what we last saw at times, they can be a mechanism for us to work out a problem, express our subconscious thoughts, etc. Stating what dreams are and aren't is like stating what thoughts are-- there are so many different kinds.

    I will say that as I have delved into the study of dreams, professionally and personally, I have overly complicated my dreams! The more possible meanings to symbols and cultural interpretations to typical dream content I have read, the more I tend to use these new meanings in my dreams (unintentionally of course).

    Our dreams evolve as we evolve. They are fascinating if only because they allow us to experience our own personal thoughts in a different way.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Thank you so much - as always Vocalcoach! I couldn't dream of a better fan:)! I also love getting hugs from the sweetest hubber - EVER! You have a heart of gold and talk about the gift of a brilliant writer? Ha! I've been learning from you!

    I'm sending a big hug right back:)!

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    Audrey Hunt 6 years ago from Nashville Tn.

    Well - just look at the action you have stirred up with your "dreamy" hub! Thought I would never reach the bottom of the page to comment. You go girl! Just look at you. I have always been your fan, but now I am in a race to be #1, so excuse me as I trot off to read yet another of your brilliant hubs. Rated up, then pushed every button. Here's a hug for the realhousewife ~ :)vocalcoach

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    I came in from work around 1a.m. When Syd was about 2 and Dave and Syd fell asleep sitting straight up. When I tried to wake Dave he said, "one fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish......." I swear he was reciting Dr, Suess in his sleep! She made him read those before bed over and over and over! Hilarious! He even got every word exactly right!

    Any time you travel it can cause transient insomnia - especially if you cross time zones. That is very normal and will resolve itself fairly quickly. So use the time wisely and write one of your awesome hubs so we can find out

    what'cha been up to! Sounds like my kind of fun!

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    Stacy Harris 6 years ago from Hemet, Ca

    Ha ha - I think I was REM deprived after sitting in a car for 35 hours and having very interupted sleep. I wasn't actually intending on taking a nap - it just happened. Oh yeah - I don't know anybody named Patty... but I do know plenty of crabby people. My husband is the only one of us who falls asleep mid conversation. It makes me mad! LOL - then I wake him up to lecture him on how rude it is to sleep when I am talkign to him... lol... he never learns.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Oh that is great! Thanks Heather and Austinstar! I can't wait to see the hub:)! It's all so interesting!

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    Heather, thanks for the link. I'm doing a hub on dreams and psychic reception so I will add it to my research.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Heather - thank you so much for your interesting comments!

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    Heather Hunt 6 years ago

    I used to have this recurring dream…

    I am driving my car down the highway. The road suddenly disappears. I panic and my car flies off the edge. I feel my body falling through the sky and then I wake up.

    I had a feeling that the dream was warning me of something but I wasn’t sure what the warning was. At the time, I had a stressful job, was not getting much rest, and not eating well or exercising. I was pushing my health, mentally and physically, to its limits but couldn’t see where I needed to change. After taking antidepressants for six months I realized that I didn’t want to live my life this way. I finally made some changes in my career, began practicing yoga and taking better care of my overall health. Amazingly, my dreams changed, to where I was driving a car like an airplane and flying through cities. The control I had in those dreams reflected the control and freedom I was experiencing in my waking life.

    As a student at the School of Metaphysics I have learned that dreams are symbolic. Roads represent directions in life. Cars symbolize the physical body. So, when I made changes to my physical health that is when my dreams changed. Why does a car (or any small vehicle) symbolize the physical body? One, everything in a dream represents the dreamer. Two, cars are used to get from one place to another. If you consider yourself to be a soul, the physical body is the vehicle that the soul uses to go from place to place throughout life. It is the images that are important when it comes to interpreting dreams.

    The oldest language known to man is a language of pictures called the Universal Language of Mind. Pictures were used before words came into practice. Words can add complexity to communication. To this day, images are the simplest form of communication. Consider how simple it is to understand road signs like pedestrians crossing or male/female bathrooms signs. The image communicates a message. Once you understand the Universal Language of Mind then you have a tool that can be used to interpret any symbol in dreams.

    I use my dreams for guidance. They are an amazing tool for self discovery. For those interested, Dreamschool.org is a great resource for learning how to interpret dreams.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    I'm going to Syd's softball game - go Hurricanes! Haha! Then I'm going to come home and work on a bunch of stuff. I also want to work on adding cafe press to my other hub. So I'm going to see what is up with that!

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    I just went there and it popped right up for me. Weird. Did you try clearing your history? Under Tools? Options? History?

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    I know! I've been cutting circles put of constuction paper for hours! I'm still not done, but it's been fun to at least check in on some hubs now and then!

    I can not - get on the cryptographic clues site! It crashes every time!! I've tried about 8 or 10 times today.

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    Take a blankie with a kittie picture on it. Don't want to scare the kittie! hahahaha

    I will have to go and look at some of the other art, where does the time go?

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Wow! That is really cool SW! I really like it - I like Together and Carried a bunch but you know, I love The Warrior best:)

    Austinstar and I are a couple of wild Indians so go figure! She also is a great artist and paints Aztec Gods - you should check it out I know you'd like it a lot!

    I'm going to look at yours again too more carefully.

    Mo - just take a blankie and your kitty when you look:-)!

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    Motown2Chitown 6 years ago

    I love deviantart....I'll have to check it out. But, I'm not too into scary art. Should I be afraid?

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Oooh Austinstar - I gotta go see that! If it's scary to you? Yeah I gotta see it!

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    SW - that is some scary art. Those are people's dreams? Yikes. The woman holding her mouth open with blood dripping from her mouth will make me have nightmares. And this is coming from someone who paints blood thirsty Aztec gods!

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    SW - if we are going to be friends I hope you don't mind my giving you initials! Lol! I would never put a hecks (ha!) on you! I am a good witch! I love art - and I'd love to check your out. I will try any activity with therapeutic value - who can't use more of that?

    Thank you so much for your awesome comments! I am glad you like the hubs - it makes me feel very cool:-)!

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    Xavier Nathan 6 years ago from Isle of Man

    I hope you don't put a hecks on my hubs! LoL

    The dream you describe in this comment is probably very important because it is so vivid. I would recommend you painting the scene you saw in the dream and allow yourself the benefit of that therapeutic activity and the subconscious will do the rest. I can see that I am going to enjoy reading your hubs. If you get time have a look some of my artwork in a website called deviantart and I go by the name atnates there.It may give you some inspiration.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Spirit Whisperer - thank you so much! Wow! Awesome profession you have. I bet you never have dull moments! I have also had some really vivid dreams that I still remember. In one I was laying on my back in the grass and I looked up at the sky and the stars were so bright! When I woke up I could still almost close my eyes and see them. At least it was a good dream:)!

    I'm going to have to. Heck out your hubs!

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    Xavier Nathan 6 years ago from Isle of Man

    What a great hub on a topic I love. As a hypno-psychotherapist I see my clients' dreams as jewels and I completely agree with you when you say nobody can interpret your dreams for you. I imagine I go on a journey every nigh and in the morning I always discuss my dreams with my wife and family and they with me as if we are talking about a holiday we have come back from. I also see myself as a scuba diver that dives deep into the subconscious ocean and in dreams I take pictures of feelings and emotions I am dealing with and the dreams I remember are like negatives of those photos. some fade some turn out black and white and there are a few gems I remember clearly and vividly to this day as if I had the dream last night. A great hub! Thank you.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Anytime ZZ! Please do have the sleep study! You are saying everything right including sleep apnea. Falling asleep is the biggest reason for traffic accidents! Ok well I haven't researched that in a few hears but it probably still is!

    Keep yourself safe! I'll be glad to help answer any questions you have! 10 -4 food buddy:)

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    zzron 6 years ago from Houston, TX.

    This was very interesting. I didn't know you did this for a living. My wife had this sleep study done on her not too long ago. She said she couldn't sleep very well during that experience and I don't think it proved very much.

    She wants me to have this sleep study done because she thinks that I may have sleep apnea, if I am saying it right. I do snore a lot and she says sometimes she thinks I quit breathing while I'm sleeping. So I'm wanting to have that done as soon as I can. I may have more questions for you about this later.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    @kentuckystone - I love your comment! Very well put! Thank you.

    @susanjk - thank you so much! It was really fun to write:)

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    SUSANJK 6 years ago from Florida

    Very interesting and thought provoking hub. thanks

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    kentuckyslone 6 years ago

    Right on about the dream dictionaries. Our dream symbols mean different things to each one of us and we have to get to learn and understand ourselves along with our dreams before we can begin to "interpret" them

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Druid Dude - I bet you have some interesting dreams if we need a camp out:). I love the strange dreams too - if they were normal they would be no fun at all!

    Thank you for the comments and the vote!

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    Druid Dude 6 years ago from West Coast

    Cool hub. If you want to interpret my dreams, you are welcome. I usually do my own. If you did though, you should bring some camping equipment. Nothing twisted, just strange. Voting you up. Bye

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Oh I'm going to try that! I have a whole foods near by, I bet they have the organic. I haven't tried Greek yoghurt - I don't think, but I do cook lots of Greek foods! Falafels are my favorite but they are fried:( i make my own hummus too. I'll look for it on Whole Food Day. I'm definitely going to try the Ginger - I do drink gingerale when my stomach is upset. But I'm not really fond of the drink.

    You're a treasure!

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    Ginger is a natural anti-nausea plant that has been used by astronauts to control their nausea in space. It's really cheap too, but get the organic certified if you can. There's some other natural stuff too. How about greek yoghurt? you like that?

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Yep! I have had issues and had the camera thing done where they drop it down your throat? Can't remember the name of the test but I bet you know! There was ulcerated tissue where the esophagus meets the stomach. Nexium helped but that stuff is expensive!

    What does Ginger do?

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    RH - Have you tried ginger? Have you seen a gastroenterologist? Do you have an ulcer which can be caused by H. Pylori? There's a lab test for that. Is it just nerves? No wonder you hate fast food.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Austinstar - I have stomach issues - I can not take hardly anything. I get very sick. However, it is an effective pain reliever and does help me sleep. When the doc prescribes it - I only take it before bed because I guess I sleep through the nausea. Otherwise I have to decide if I want to be in pain or have nausea. Sometimes it's a toss up! Haha!

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    Austinstar 6 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

    Whoa! I should have been following this hub! Lots of good info here.

    Out of all the drugs I tried for sleeping I have found that Vicodin 7.5 is the best for me. I know it's a pain pill. But the reason I can't sleep most of the time is because I live with constant pain. I tried switching to other 'sleep' drugs, but they did not work. I would always wake up from the pain.

    Now, I don't have to take it every night, but if I want to sleep well and wake up refreshed, Vicodin is it. I've also tried Soma, that allergy pill, ibuprofen, valium, chamomile tea, relaxation techniques and warm milk.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Fucsia - thank you so much -It was very interesting work! I loved the research work best:)

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    fucsia 6 years ago

    Your work sounds very interesting. Dreams have always fascinated me. I would love to know how to evoke them, remember them, guide them.

    Great Hub!

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Hmmmmmmm......let's see. Do you know anyone named patty? Lol

    But wait, I just can't glaze over this - I'm so jealous you got a nap! I never sleep well during the day - I have fallen asleep sitting up not long ago! I didn't even get a little dream. Here's what I'm wondering, how fast did you go into REM? You must be sleep deprived! It should take around 90 minutes to get into REM - too soon indicates REM deprivation. Or narcolepsy, do you ever fall asleep during a conversation or anything? LOL

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    Stacy Harris 6 years ago from Hemet, Ca

    I like pineapples - although the dream never mentioned the pineapples... it did mention crabby patties! LOL

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    BBG.- yeah I think it's definitely a good dream! Spongebob just can not mean bad things. He lives in a pineapple under the sea!

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    Stacy Harris 6 years ago from Hemet, Ca

    The irony of the whole situation is I just don't think anybody could come up with a dream that ridiculous. I know... cause I have tried and they just seem stupid. But when you dream it, they really do make sense. I think it was all about going to your happy place. After all, I am home... so... Spongebob... signifies... happiness. Okay, maybe I need to go back to my day job. Or maybe he signifies how annoying I really can be... lol!

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    The Jet 6 years ago from The Bay

    No problemo.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Bestreviews - wow! That's pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing that. I'm so you've recovered too. I suppose you conquered your fears! That is great!

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    bestreviews 6 years ago from Sunny Greece

    Another great hub, I think you are right when you say dreams help you sort out problems that you don't want to deal with when you are awake. After I had a car accident a couple of years ago I was really scared to get in to a car. Every night I used to dream about being in some car crash, it went on for a while and I got quite worried every night I am going to experience a car crash again. When I started driving a car again my dreams stopped, just like that.

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    Stu From VT 6 years ago

    RealHousewife,

    By the time the cards are ready, batteries will probably be outlawed for environmental reasons. Check to see if the card has a little windmill sticking out of it.

    Stu

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Ooooh scary thought!

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    Stu From VT 6 years ago

    RH - Check your bulls***t card VERY carefully - it may have a GPS locator in it.

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    Kelly Umphenour 6 years ago from St. Louis, MO

    Stu - I bet you don't have to pull the bulls***t card out very often! I, however, may be needing a new one, mine is wearing thin!

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    Stu From VT 6 years ago

    RH,

    If you can't dazzle'em with brilliance, baffle'em with bulls**t. :)

    Stoo