Do you believe that the energy in homeopathic remedies helps to cure many ailments, or do you think that the remedies are so weak that they couldn't possibly do anything?
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Dan can you provide more information on this study; name of researcher etc,? Thanks
As long as we exclude energy and information from the forces at work, we will never be able to explain it! Homeopathy, as old as it is, is not Newtonian...
Sure thing - you may have to give me a few hours. Gotta phone my friend and get the details :)
This gentleman may have been referring to the massive homeoprophylaxis in Cuba to prevent Leptospirosis. The information can be found on this Hubpage. http://bit.ly/IYY3uW
Thanks Dan. I am familiar with the Cuban experience but that wasn't double blind so I am thinking Dan's friend was referring to something else :)
Wow! Maybe people don't have to do 'double-blind' when they are completely blind. The Cuba experience demonstrated without doubt that the ONLY regions of Cuba who received homeopathic preparation reduced typical disease spread, while NOT elsewhere.
Sorry, but "the rest of the country" is not a control group. The Bracho study is methodologically flawed and reaches dubious conclusions from a questionable premise. Which is why it's in a homeopathy journal, not a scientific one.
I suppose we will find out the results of upcoming data collection, as the Cuban government has decided to repeat and expand the dissemination of homeopathic remedies as prevention of infectious contagious disease during future post hurricane events.
Couldn't get through to my friend but the article on this page gives good info: http://www.homeopathic.com/Articles/Homeopathic_re...
You guys will continue with your arguments about "double blind" and such, while those of us who actually experienced the remedies will help our body repair itself. I am the type who needs to see actual proof in order to believe something, and I did!
Hmm, so far it hasn't worked for me or my daughter either. But I'd really like it to be something that works. I guess I have to know how long it should take to work, maybe I didn't wait long enough...
You don't have to wait long. If it didn't work, it wasn't the correct remedy. It needs to fit or it doesn't do anything.
I'll take placebo healing of hard drugs any day.
With kids and animals, it is crystal clear that it has NOTHING to do with belief. My cat cannot read the indications, but it stops barfing immediately when treated with Nux Vomica or Arsenicum Album.
Both interesting points of view. I've had two experiences so far with homeopathy. The first was with my daughter. I gave her thuja to cure a stubborn verruca. I also tried an anti-candida remedy for myself. Neither worked.
With homeopathy it is very important to find the correct remedy, so if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean that homeopathy doesn't work, it rather means you haven't found the correct substance. Sometimes you have to combine the substances to get there
I want to believe that this works, as it's lovely to consider that there is this therapy that may cure disease with no horrible side effects, but your middle paragraph outlines my concerns. It's exactly these thoughts that make me have doubts.
You know something Scott? I would have no problem with the remedies being a placebo, since they work for me and my friends. I myself have a tight control of my diabetes with the help of such "placebo". it works, there is nothing "funny" about it.
There are actually lots of studies (please see here for a comprehensive article with further links),
You just don't find them easily...
Actually, I do. I'm familiar with those studies and HES, and they are either bogus studies (don't adhere to rigorous controls) or the studies actually don't show what Homeopaths claim they do.
I guess you could have 100 studies, double blind, placebo controlled, random, cross checked, and you'd still find something to nitpick about those (no recording of the breathing rates, wrong protocol, wrong hair color of the patients, wrong faith)...
No. I wouldn't. I have a great deal of respect for science. Telling me what you think I would or would not do does nothing to prove your side, and it is very rude. If you have a refutation to give, please do.
Sorry if you see it as rude. There are enough studies out there that prove the validity of homeopathy, no matter if you believe it or not. Certainly not all of them are invalid and certainly not all of the allopatic drugs are flawless.
Then SHOW them, instead of an organization who's best source of "scientific" evidence is a paper who's own conclusions say "we found insufficient evidence from these studies that homoeopathy is clearly efficacious for any single clinical condition"
It's unfortunate that the double-blind studies allow so many drugs on the market that years later incur billions of dollars of criminal fines for hurting, maiming and killing people. So much for the double-blind studies. We are more than flesh &
Lancet, Dec. 10, 1994, 344:1601-6, conclusion: Either homeopathic remedies work or controlled clinical trials don't. (Can't expect more from people who set out to prove homeopathy wrong...)
And no, they can't explain it in a hardcore physics way...
Same researchers... 5 years later "it seems likely that our meta-analysis at least overestimated the effects of homeopathic treatments.” I hope your hub provides evidence of a higher quality.
Hmm, I'm glad your friend had success in curing her skin problem, but I often wonder if something that took as long as a year to cure (with homeopathy, or any other similar treatment), would have just got better anyway?
I had Rosacea once, which is a rash that develops little blisters all over your skin that itch, then break open and build nasty crusts. It normally takes at least 6 to 8 weeks to heal conventionally. With homeopathy, it was gone in 3 days completely.
I guess that is the main problem with it, it is just very hard to explain how something that shouldn't be in there any more can have any effect. But as you say, it works anyhow, and that's what matters!
Same with me, and all of my family.
No. It works for people who believe it will. Normally, that would not be a problem, but when something serious comes up that a placebo WON'T cure, you have Homeopaths convincing people that real medicine doesn't work. Homeopathy can kill.
Dear Mathi - Patience is a virtue. Some people who have not experienced success, dismiss the success for others. The most scientific method would be to collect the data from millions of people who continue to use it for all types of disorders.
The scientific method has shown many times that homeopathy is worthless. There is no evidence of any people ever being cured by it.
Thank you for your own personal opinion on this topic, dear Swordsbane. Good to know how you feel.
Not sure if you ever heard it, but prescription drugs are amongst the leading causes of death... I recommend to research especially statins, anti-coagulants and the like...
Just because you are so concerned about the safety of homeopathy...
I accept that actual medicine can be dangerous. After all, it consists of real drugs that actually react, rather than water and sugar. But the risk of treating dangerous conditions with magic and fairy dust is far higher than that of real medicine.
Obviously, the risks are much higher using crude drugs that cause chemical imbalances and force the body to respond in unnatural ways and lose the potential to recover as the body weakens.
I don't have a problem with the safety of homeopathic drugs themselves. They don't have any active ingredient in them whatsoever, so they can't do anything. I've seen someone down an entire bottle of homeopathic sleeping pills and nothing happened.
@swordsbane: Just because the person didn't die from the sleeping pills, doesn't mean that he couldn't profit from the right homeopathic remedy. The great thing about this medicine is that it doesn't do harm, but if you have the right one, it works.
Except the sleeping pills, if they really worked, should put you in a coma or even kill you (warning on the label) if you scarf a whole bottle. They don't. What it means at the very least is that the manufacturers are lying.
Wishing warts away doesn't help, I tried. But some people can make them go away, even though you do not know anything about what they do, it happened to me.
So true, Kalar. When the correct matching energy is found, then the results can be seen without a doubt. Blessings, Debby
It's not merely opinion that homeopathy is bogus. It has been proven in many double-blind studies. I'll take proven medicine over magic beans any day.
Good for you! Double blind, that must lead us to the truth, I understand! What is life experience against that??? You know, we need a lot of people who believe in this double-blind approach, or the pharmacytical industry will axe all other methods...
Everything is founded upon certain premises, belief systems, and understanding. However, homeopathy is based upon universal natural eternal laws. Scientific fact. No one can refute that. similia similibus curantur
"Universal natural eternal laws?" Please. That is pseudoscientific BS, not scientific fact. There is no evidence that water remembers. None. You can appeal to "essential energies" and quantum physics all you want, but the facts are against you.
I think gravity is real science. It is a law of nature. It's up to the individual to bring into their consciousness facts of what they see occur all around them.
Our dog was scared of thunder, and if left alone would hide under something and get something to chew :-) A friend pulled a white BB out of her purse, put it in a bottle of water, gave instructions of administering, and after one week, he was cured!
The number of reports of recovery confirm your statement. Finding the homeopathic physician who has experience and understands the patient will make all the difference.
You can also get quite knowledgeable by reading and studying it yourself. I treat many conditions (amongst others Rosacea, Herpes Zoster and severe hayfever) with remedies I found in books and over the internet. There are some great databases...
The biggest problem with that is that the 'real doctors' are utterly unable to do anything outside of the box, because they could be sued to death if they did. So they stock their protocols, no matter if they are good or not.
There are medical research programs where the patient must agree to experimental treatments. But modern medicine holds the best diagnostic and treatments options for sever problems. If they fail you can try another approach,with nothing to loose.
We can cite the healing stories of many people, but we cannot predict the outcome. Actress Suzanne Somers, Jessica Richards, Lorraine Day, M.D. and others used alternative therapies and recovered from cancer.
Then again, my grandma got rid of her breast cancer with alternative medicine.
Thanks, how long would you say the remedies take to work?
In my experience, it works very rapidly if you have the correct remedy, with my husbands Herpes Zoster it works within 30 minutes or faster, he has an effect as soon as he drinks the water with the pills.
Thank you for all the wonderful successful experience testimonials, Dorothee-Gy. Adding up the millions of positive outcomes brings us to a positive conclusion. Blessings in 2013
Thank you Dorothee and Debby for your answers.
Of course homeopathy has no side effects - it has no effects, period!
I have seen very fast responses with homeopathy. Recently cat found affected by paralysis tick at 11pm unable to walk & breathing laboured. Death often quickly follows. Remedy given, immediate response. 3 more doses over 30mins cat recovered.
Actually, it is a myth that homeopathy works slowly. In acute situations, homeopathy works immediately to heal. This is why people take arnica for any bump, bruise or shock. There are many emergency remedies.
I totally agree with Debbie. It can work very rapidly with the correct remedy. The trick is to find the correct one. It's a pinpoint science, not a shotgun method.
Absolutely say right, Actually it's a pin point science.
I've written that before, so just for the record: if you have the correct remedy for the job, the effect is very often instantaneous. No waiting required!
Well, the proof still is in the pudding. If it does the job and helps, then it is valid and it really doesn't matter what you call it. Placebos are highly effective and the fact that we have them in us doesn't invalidate this.
The placebo effect is not fully understood, but to say it is highly effective somewhat overstates it. Why rely on this when you can visit your doctor and get a treatment with proven efficacy? Homeopathy is risky if relied upon for serious illness.
Don't know when you took your last conventional drug, but have you ever looked at the list of side effects? There's one of the arguments for placebos or homeopathy, no side effects. And with homeopathy, high efficiency (no belief required).
Nothing wrong with using the placebo effect, but it is a very different (and dangerous) thing to say "Homeopathy works.. Don't rely on standard medicine." The placebo effect IS standard medicine, and it works. Homeopathy isn't... and doesn't.
Well, if you ask people who actually use it, they WILL tell you, it does! Sorry, it just does, can't change that! Too many experiences with too many different people AND animals, can't negate it.
Homeopathy APPEARS to work BECAUSE of the placebo effect. Chewing leather would have the same effect if generated the same convictions in patients.
The plural of anecdotes is not data. It doesn't matter how many people claim to have been cured by magic sugar pills. Homeopathy fails in double-blind clinical testing. That is the real truth.
It's quite humorous to see how stuck the opponents of it are, no life experience can't help here. The funny thing about it is that, as I've written repeatedly here, the choice of the correct remedy IS crucial, which makes the placebo argument bogus.
Dorothee-Gy: It doesn't make the "placebo argument" bogus at all. It's like saying the Sun is going around the Earth and based on what we see from Earth, it couldn't happen any other way. I suggest you read up on the placebo effect.
I know enough about the placebo effect that I'm aware that it is based on a strong belief in the recipient that he receives a valid remedy. But even if you believe in it, if you have the wrong remedy, it doesn't work.
Um.. .no. The placebo effect is a medical principle that says that sometimes when you believe you are being given medicine, your body behaves as if it is, even if it's not. It's extremely unreliable and rather rare. This is how Homeopathy "works"
According to a meta-analysis in 1991 of 25 years of clinical studies using homeopathic remedies, 81 from 107 controlled trials showed that homeopathic remedies were effective, so I'd say there's more than just placebo effect at work....
Please provide the study name and the name of the head researcher. You'd be surprised how many times people cite studies to me that turn out to be bogus. Just because someone said it's a "study" doesn't make it legitimate research.
Cat & paralysis tick. Paralysis of limbs, laboured breathing, choking as airways constricted. Homeopathic remedy given 3x over 30mins. Breathing eased, choking ceased, cat able to move. Full mobility restored next day. Placebo effect? Not convinc
The placebo effect can't be relied on for everyone unfortunately - for the 30% of the population unresponsive to the power of suggestion (the hypnotist's nemesis) this will not work. Psychosomatic healing processes require susceptability to sugestion
Not only does the substance get diluted and reduced in size; it must be potentized to release the energetic qualities and essence of the substance.
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