Some people I have noticed have a tendency to feel they are always a victim to others. They never accept accountability for their own actions and always blame everyone else. I have seen this quite frequently with alcoholism in family members - but what about when there is no substance abuse issue? Is there an actual disorder where the chronic sense of victimization is the primary characteristic? That and the constant misunderstanding or twisting of people's words to go with it?
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I agree and the individual I had in mind when I asked the question does have anxiety issues as well so that does kind of fit. Interesting.
Yes, I can totally see this. no, not ever physical, sometimes they have tantrums but mostly it's just everyone is out to get them all the time and they hear what they want to hear not what is actually said.
I'm inclined to agree with you actually, and it's more just a question of interest - not that I'm trying to diagnose something, but the case I'm thinking of is extreme - which does suggest a physical component as well, not just lack of accountability
Errr...sorry to burst your bubble, but not all people had ODD as a child - it is just that those under 18 cannot be diagnosed with a personality disorder (sociopath, psychopath, Borderline etc) as they haven't developed. ODD is more than NORMAL anger
jlpark. (My bubble is intact)! :-) The ODD line was a little bit of joke. Most kids did have the "terrible twos" and most children do want to be in charge of their lives BEFORE they are mature enough. Most teens hated being told what to do. NORMAL?
Hello dashingscorpio. I agree with your assessment. I ask any if that is a result of coding for insurance purposes? Does that mean it is a business opportunity rather than an action of compassion offering help? I ponder society's wellness diagnosis?
Yes! I totally understand the energetic aspects of it and how certain energies seem to feed off themselves and grow - fortunately it works with positives too. I know when I feel down I focus intently on gratitude and it elevates my energy immediately
PTSD is certainly a sad and unfortunately too common occurrence. I don't know how it ties into this situation exactly, but certainly more can and should be done to understand and help those with it to cope.
Hello CrhistinS. Thank you for the response. You are probably right. Doing a Google Search of Chronic Victimization + DSM-V the top 10 articles are Complex PTSD. Another was Chronic Victim + DSM-V is the same & DESNOS related to extreme stress
Your question at the end is certainly the next question in line - how can you help someone who has that much of a disconnect from how things really are? If u point it out, they perceive it as you persecuting them or something.
Yes, I have encountered this, from people with Paranoid schizophrenia as far as the disconnect from actuality and unwillingness to hear anything else. Remember Robin Williams as Patch Adams playing along with the cellmate who was afraid of squirrels?
Emanate, "The approach by Lisa HW seems judgmental and non-compassionate". Respectfully, really??? That's what you get from something I've said?? I'm the one who says there are people who are real victims and not just people who THINK they are.
Lisa HW, your name was attached to someone else's quote in this post.
My apologies, Lisa HW. I misquoted you. It was indeed from another post. Anyway, it was unwise to label a quote as judgmental. An emotional reaction. Thanks for remaining 'respectfully, really'!
Emanate Presence, Thanks. No need for any apologies. I was just kind of confused to think my words had been interpreted that way. Anyway, "returning to regular programming" as they say.
I ponder the connection of childhood development agreeing with reservations of how. An example is an amnesia person (victim?) who had or has no recall of childhood. Could disruption as cohesive with developmental be applicable? Alzheimer's?
I've seen someone with this, if anyone has an ailment or injury of any sort - 3 days later she has the same thing. It's always for attention with her so definitely I can see that.
I agree that those who are victims tend to feel their feelings are more warranted or somehow more valid - almost like their feelings or emotions are hyperactive or something. Interesting points.
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't really explain why some people feel they are chronically victimized by everyone around them when they aren't. Where is that disconnect I wonder that dictates their wildly different interpretation of reality?
There is no mindset that isn't fundamentally associated with a condition. For instance, although one can argue that fear and paranoia are sometimes misplaced, no rational person would suggest that the fight or flight mechanism should not exist.
True.. I agree fight or flight is a necessary response, it does make me wonder why it seems to get "stuck" in some people though like they are chronically stressed emotionally. Interesting to ponder - thanks :)
I don't know about any disconnect for the person who MAY have a disorder, but for healthy people a disconnect can exist when those who know and even love them underestimate their strength, capability, or good sense - don't know them.
This sounds pretty spot on actually - I will look into it more. Thanks for your answer :)
In the case I was thinking of, I am thinking maybe anxiety or depression due to other traits and others around them not having the same issue. I def agree many people make excuses and don't own some things, but this seems more than that in this case.
When it comes down to personality disorders everyone is unique and if there are multiple causes.
If others in the same group aren't having problems it is more likely to be the individual.
I could certainly see that could be a trait of narcissism. This individual though is also capable of displaying great acts of genuine compassion and generosity though also, something I don't normally associate with narcissists.
I agree all these intriguing answers could be turned into hubs. It does seem to be an escape from responsibility - the common thread to many of the answers.
I can agree definitely in many cases it comes from a lack of accountability certainly. It can be difficult to be around people like this, but in some cases I think there really is a disconnect where they can't recognize they are doing it.
You are correct Christin....in terms of how this behavior is so constant, it becomes a blatant part of their personality...and they cannot differentiate truth from fiction, at some point. It's a tightwire walk.
I totally agree with you on the metaphysical answers part also. I know PTSD can cause a variety of personality disorders and it's very unfortunate. Thanks for answering :)
I believe extreme cases and there are people legitimately victimized in life and I would never judge if I didn't know the truth in the situation. I know this person well and it's largely a perception problem. You sound very resilient I admire that.
I'm NOT second-guessing you about the person you have in mind; but I know that there are folks in my life who would tell you that I'm the one who doesn't perceive my own experience "correctly" either.
I believe that also, people are quick to judge without walking a mile in another person's shoes a lot and that is also unfortunate.
Thank you for sharing LisaHW. If memory serves me I remember a year or more back you shared of this tragic reality in life. I will check for the hub . . . tim
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