Ugly words have never encouraged me...
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i agree with you, being in a relationship with a partner who needs to loose at least 60 pounds more for health than anything else i have learned how to encourage not judge. some people have battled weight all their lives.
Popper, I think they know that exercising right and eating right will help them lose but if they can't exercise, don't crucify them
try exercising regularly with 3 trapped nerves in your back/ shoulders, an over-curved spine, hips that dislocate regularly as well as varicose veins which, by the way, I have had since i was about 14, and a size 10. Can be quite difficult...
Lol...that made me smile. :) You are right, peeples.
Wow peeples..... I would think you would have more compassion? What if someone has thyroid problems and cannot control their weight? Like I said in my answer.. many are addicted to drugs and alcohol.. some food. They ALL need HELP.
Hypothyroidism occurs in only 1.5 to 2% of women and doesn't always cause weight issues, I have it. As for addiction, we put warnings on beer and cigs, and shame the majority of other addicts. What the difference in doing it to them?
It is actually around 5% for all Americans ages 12 and up. Regardless, NONE of these people are throw away people. They all have feelings and dreams for the future. They also need positive forces in their lives to want to get better. God help them AL
I didn't say they were throw away ppl or that we should go out branding them or anything because of it, but we shouldn't act like it's ok. It's not. If someone wants to be fat that's fine but society shouldn't accept it like it's fine.
Unfortunately JThomp, you are misrepresenting what peeples wrote. No one is picking on people with legitimate health problems that cause weight gain. No one is saying they are worthlesss. Most of them CAN change their ways.
Agreed Robert..... but as with any addiction there is of course denial, acceptation, then action. I do not think ugly words are of any help to anyone.
I can agree with that. Instead of yelling names at an obese person, people should use more reasonable means to help.
Agreed. There are those who have metabolic or other problems beyond their control. I think what many people are saying is that unless people want to fix a problem, then, all the external assistance we provide them will not ''fix' their problem.
Peeples and Robert . Everyone chooses their "drug" of choice, and everyone is broken in one way or another, even the both of you--for pointing your self-righteous, cruel, & indecent fingers at a group of people you know nothing about. Disgusting
Feel better, Savvy? :-)
You proved my point savy. I'm self righteous for saying they shouldn't be told what they are doing is ok? No! I'm honest. I have my own faults and I have no problem owning it. I smoke, I'm belittled by nonsmokers and it doesn't hurt my feelings.
The question is not whether it is good to be obese. I am telling you that fat people are human beings and should be treated as sucjh. Rude people always say they're honest as an excuse to be cruel. Frankly, smoking is the least of your faults, P.
Did you miss the whole part of my answer where I said we SHOULDN'T call them fat? Did you selectively pick over that? People who are fat need reminders it is not okay, like my cig warnings on the side of the pack. Sorry if you missed the point!
Savvy, I think you should take a look at this hub...it may help you:
"I think it is outrageous that we now seem to think the person who calls them a fat person is a "bully" Your words. The point is your lack compassion for fat people.
Do you have compassion for me because I smoke, what about the crackhead who kills someone trying to get money for their fix? I have compassion, my mom was 5ft and 340lbs. It still shouldn't be a protected class and it isn't ok to be fat. It's suicide
Wow peeples, apparently people can't manage to disagree with you without becoming nasty and attacking you - how ironic and I bet they don't see the irony of their actions.
Good observation as usual, Christin. I don't think Savvy has had time to read this self-help hub that I have linked:
Robert the Bruce, I give you credit for saying what you say and OWNING IT. holding on to it and telling us yourr feelings. PPL should be more forthcoming about feelings and rights like that. But speaking of rights,Youo smoke, don't I have rights
I agree with you peeples. People have a habit of ignoring problems. It is easier to pretend that nothing is wrong. That way you don't need to do anything. I call fat people fat because I am willing to help. Other people don't want to bother.
I want to make it clear in case it wasn't, I don't promote going around being mean to fat people. I just don't think we need to get all PC and end up ignoring the issue.
peeples, Looks like you started a big chain here! :-) I would assume people know you're not advocating being (mean or abusive) towards overweight people. Most people keep their thoughts to themselves or share with others. They don't attack her/him
peeples, fat people already know they're fat & they're not happy about it. They don't need you to be the fat police. It's hurtful. As for Christin, dashing, and Robert, I'm not impressed. I gave you a taste of your own medicine. Didn't help, did
Dashing, I'm not sure they did understand and it's quite obvious at least one or two didn't.
savvydating, Some people get so caught up in topics they attack people for not agreeing with them. I wasn't attempting to "impress" anyone. I said most people keep their thoughts to themselves and don't insult people; fat, skinny, hair color, tats
dashing said, "Most people keep their thoughts to themselves or share with others." peeples stated, "Love being big? ....don't be surprised or get your feelings hurt when people call it like they see it." Not exactly keeping her thoughts private
I responded to a question! Do I go out in public telling fat people they are fat? NOOO! I happened to be honest in a Q&A. Do you really believe I go out in public being cruel to fat ppl? Even in this Q&A I didn't directly say anything mean ab
savvydating, No where did I see anything Peoples wrote to indicate she runs down the street yelling FAT to every overweight person she sees. She shared here internal thoughts on the topic. I believe we're all (silently) judged by others upon sight
Teamrn, to answer your question, I don't smoke but I believe that people have a right to smoke if they so choose. But I also believe that people have the right to clean air around them. Therefore, smokers should be considerate of others.
While not letting being overweight become the norm, we need to be accepting of the person who is physically incapable of doing the exercise needed to prevent being overweight, even if they taped their mouth closed. Not as simple as 'LOSE WEIGHT!'.
Oh wow as a guru I must say that you are clearly misguided and have issues with hidden agendas! Just because someone is fat doesn't mean they are any different than the rest, most people take medication that cause weight gain, even disorders gain it!
I am glad for you that being called ugly words has motivated you to build some muscle but as someone who has been obese all my life and struggled with trying to lose it I can tell you that being told I am fat has never been a motivating factor forme
The person I mentioned was surrounded by polite people that made it easier for him to gain weight and harder for him to lose it. They were part of the problem. Anyone that is going to be part of the solution needs to be truthful with you.
Fatness is not the problem, it's the countless number of bullies who feel the need to bash people for the way they look, for the way they act, and for the way they dress!! BULLIES ARE THE ISSUE NOT FATNESS OR UGLINESS!! If people can't accept then FT
Fatness is a health problem and a mobility problem. In moderation fat is good for you. You need some. If you have a lot then it is a problem for anyone that cares about your health and happiness.
My doctor told me that he once had a 500 pound man come in for a check up and he was healthy as a horse, clearly it is only you that thinks that it is a real issue, but to me, size doesn't matter, I have seen huge men that had success in their life!
i have a brother who would never date someone as thin as i am but nonetheless some people are so unhappy and insecure about their weight that the simplest judgement can almost cripple them.
Wow that's my life story! I am the same - pretty overweight but tall and able to carry it well. Unfortunately that seems to mean my body also REALLY likes to hold on to it! Even working out constantly and eating well only got me to a size 12 at best
the greatest pain is that people do it without thought of another.
Old Albion, great tips for most wt loss, but w/out exercise,not enough for obesity. Without regular exercise, there is not enough wt loss, so exercise PLUS WHAT YOU SAY.
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Robert the Bruce, You seem to think that obese people are obese because of a CHOICE/DESIRE to be obese. Not so my friend, but since you're insistent on tunnel vision, get out the night vision glasses because you'll need them.
Please explain how they became obese (not those with illness) if it has nothing to do with choice. I choose to smoke, I choose to consume alcohol sometimes but they don't choose to consume more calories than they are burning?
Most obese people are obese because of their habits. Anyone that made the same choices as an obese person I know would be obese. His habits made him fat. My habits made me lean. Some people choose to allow themselves to become obese.
Peebles, I was commenting on R the B post in which he didn't allow for inability to exercise to be a cause of obesity and your "call it like you see it" remark, People fall short of the self-responsibiity mark, but is it a character flaw?
too often people act without thinking or just to fit in with the crowd. once everyone excepts the fact that we all are imperfect and have baggage maybe we will become more excepting of others.
i totally agree, they must want to first !
Johana, I so much agree. "JUDGE NOT, LEST NOT YE BE JUDGED" comes to mind. A positive might become a negative AND VICE VERSA
i do believe that some people are too thin skinned. if you know that you have weight issues i can understand that you may not want to keep hearing about it. but you also have to prepare yourself for the obvious.
NEWS FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE OBESE PEOPLE:
"In can be tempting to ask families receiving food assistance, If you're really hungry then how can you be overweight? For many of the hungry in America, it's an unintended side effect of hunger itself."
I smoked for years. Addiction is an emotional illness. Comments from non-smokers made me self-conscious and my self esteem plummeted in response, leading to a worsening smoking habit. BUT, once I stopped realized that I controlled this, I changed.
i believe that it has pushed over weight people in the direction of being more abusive to themselves than help them.
JTomp42 Glad I'm glad for decent humans left with feelings, care and compassion. What comes around goes around and it works both ways. There will always be an issue that will effect people, and then they'll be looking for understanding and acceptance
i agree,, i have met some full figured people who are pleased within their own skin, it is others who have the problem with it
more often than not the judgement makes them gain more.
What we may be forgetting is the depth at which weight problems come form. Mental illness at no matter what level effects us physically. Emotions fall under that title. Getting to the bottom of these is a big first step, by a qualified individual.
Penny: You make a very good point.
my old man is a big boy and i like him that way...lol
Health care for drug addiction, smoking side effects, alcoholism, people involved in dangerous extreme sports at high risk for injury, people choosing to avoid health care until desperately needed,causing more expensive treatments hurt us all as well
You're right, Penny. All these things including obesity can have a negative effect on the rest of us and they all have one thing in common---they are personal choices. They should be responsible for their choices.
You'd be surprised at the number of fat folks who know that being obese isn't healthy. They'd lose if they could. For some, it isn't a choice they make.
What about people who are physically incapable of losing. Disease has stricken other parts of their body rendering them incapable of the weight loss they desire. Would you condemn them to higher healthcare costs; how about 'DESPITE REPEATED TRIALS