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So You've Got a Femoral Hernia - Now What?

Updated on November 29, 2014
Dolly, Good. Hernia, Bad.
Dolly, Good. Hernia, Bad. | Source

My Femoral Hernia - My Experience and What I've Learned

I've just been diagnosed with a femoral hernia. Sounds bad, eh? When you discover a painful lump in your lower abdomen or groin area, in the thigh crease - well, all sorts of bad thoughts can go through your mind.

Painful lumps in the groin are seldom a good thing ... and I was worried. But as it turns out, the diagnosis of femoral hernia was actually a piece of fairly good news. It could be fixed.

Until the doctor said, "You've got a femoral hernia," however, I'd never even heard the term femoral hernia.

So I set out to learn more:

  • Where and what is a femoral hernia, exactly?
  • What causes a femoral hernia?
  • Could I have prevented it?
  • What are the risks?
  • What happens next?
    (I already know the answer to that one - it's surgery, no choice about it. "There's no pill to fix this," says my doctor.)
  • How do I keep the hernia from getting worse, while I'm waiting for surgery to repair it?
  • What about recovery time - how long will it take to get back to normal?
  • And what are the chances that my femoral hernia will come back?

Lots of the so-called "medical information" online is nothing but "old wives' tales" and snake oil, so I'm making it a mission here to seek out useful, reliable information on the groin lump that turns out to be a femoral hernia and bring it together here - along with the story of my own experience. I hope that you'll find this page helpful.

My experiences and the information given here are not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice. I am not a doctor. If you think you may have a hernia, please make an appointment to see your family physician.

Hernia surgery c.1520 - Surgery of hernia in 16th century, from Practica Copiosa (1559) by German surgeon Kaspar Stromayr [public domain]
Hernia surgery c.1520 - Surgery of hernia in 16th century, from Practica Copiosa (1559) by German surgeon Kaspar Stromayr [public domain]

What is a Hernia?

Let's Start with a Definition

Hernia: A general term referring to a protrusion of a tissue through the wall of the cavity in which it is normally contained. More specifically, a hernia often refers to an opening or weakness in the muscular structure of the wall of the abdomen. This defect causes a bulging of the abdominal wall.

-- MedTerms

Hernias are generally grouped according to their location -- abdomen or groin -- and there are different kinds of hernias within each group, depending on what's gone wrong and where.

In the groin, between the lower abdomen and the thigh, a hernia may be either an inguinal or a femoral hernia.

The easiest way for most of us to know if we've got a femoral hernia or some other kind is to check the location of the bump, knot, or bulge.

Inguinal Hernia or Femoral Hernia?

Location, location, location!

According to The Doctor's Guide to Gastrointestinal Health (see below), an inguinal hernia occurs in "the groin, the area between the abdomen and the thigh. Intestines push through a weak spot in the inguinal canal. This is a triangle-shaped opening (Hesselbach's triangle) between layers of abdominal muscles near the groin."

A femoral hernia is also located in the groin area, but lower down -- "at or very near the leg crease." In this case, the "gap" through which the intestines protrude is a triangular area that's bordered by the inguinal canal, the femoral vein, and the pelvic bone.

Femoral hernias are one of the less common types of hernia, accounting for only 3% to 5% of all hernias. Femoral hernia are more likely to develop in adults than in children, and in women rather than in men.

It is possible to have both an inguinal hernia and a femoral hernia at the same time, says The Doctor's Guide, and it can be difficult clinically to tell the difference between the two kinds. However, "finding a painful lump or bulge on the leg crease adjacent to the pubic area suggests a femoral hernia."

In everyday terms, then - if your hernia is well below the bikini line, you're wise to think in terms of femoral.

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Femoral Hernia Symptoms

Signs that you might have a Femoral Hernia

According to The Doctor's Guide to Gastrointestinal Health, "People don't always know when they get a hernia. They may get a painful or painless lump that may change with position." With a femoral hernia, you may notice a lump or bulge at or near the crease where your leg meets your hip. That's because the hernia occurs at the femoral canal -- the passage where the large blood vessels (femoral artery and femoral vein) go between your thigh and your abdomen.

Harvard Medical School - InteliHealth patient information notes that "Some hernias can cause twinges of pain or a pulling sensation, but most do not cause pain. Hernias are usually easier to see with coughing or straining. They also tend to be more prominent with standing and often disappear with lying down. ... Most people discover their own hernias by noticing a bulge."

It will usually be easier to notice such a lump when you're standing up, as gravity moves things around, but it's worth noting that a lump may be more difficult to detect in people who are obese.

Reducible or Irreducible Femoral Hernia

What's the difference?

If the femoral hernia bulge can be pushed back into the groin, or goes back by itself when you lie down, it is called a reducible femoral hernia. This is quite easy to remember because "reducible" simply means that something is capable of being reduced - made smaller in size - the way you can reduce the size of the lump by changing position or pressing on it. A reducible hernia is the more common kind of femoral hernia, and it is often quite painless.

Sometimes, however, a part of the tissue can get caught in the opening in the abdominal wall and cannot be pushed back in to the abdominal cavity or go back on its own. This is called an irreducible hernia. You may also hear some medical people refer to this kind of hernia as incarcerated, meaning "trapped" or "imprisoned". An irreducible hernia usually comes with some pain and/or a feeling of illness.

Both a reducible and an irreducible femoral hernia should have prompt medical attention, as hernias will not heal by themselves. While a reducible hernia is not generally considered to be an emergency situation, there is a chance that a reducible hernia may become irrreducible. With an irrreducible hernia, there is a chance that it may become strangulated.

Strangulated Femoral Hernia

Early diagnosis of a femoral hernia is very important, so don't delay going to the doctor if you have any symptoms that concern you. The femoral type of hernia is more at risk of becoming strangulated than some other types of hernias, due to the narrowness of the femoral canal.

A strangulated hernia is an irreducible hernia where the blood supply to the trapped intestine gets cut off. It is always painful and usually tender. Sometimes there will be nausea and vomiting, which are symptoms of bowel obstruction, but there may or may not be a fever as well.

A strangulated hernia is a surgical emergency.

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Where to Find Pictures

Image Sources - Femoral Hernia Photographs, Diagrams, Illustrations

Photographs of people with hernias, and especially inguinal or femoral hernias, are NOT generally too "family-friendly" as a rule - at least, not pleasant for young or sensitive viewers to see. The location of the femoral hernia is in the groin, so it is common for a photograph of that condition to show a little more of the body than most of us want to see. Not only that, it is a fact that hernia pictures tend to be of the largest, most extreme cases of hernia - quite alarming, and much more exaggerated than most of us will experience. In truth, most femoral hernias are not so large, because they are discovered quite early on due to the pain that the person with a hernia in the lower abdomen/groin or hip/thigh crease area is likely to experience.

That's why I've been extremely careful about what kind of pictures I've put on this page, so everyone can read it and get the information they need without being repelled by too-upsetting pictures.

Anatomical model of human abdomen.
Anatomical model of human abdomen. | Source

But you want to see what a femoral hernia looks like, right?

I can't blame you - we are all curious, and if you think you might have an undiagnosed femoral hernia in that suspicious painful lump, it is natural to want to look at a few examples to get a better idea of whether that's likely to be your own diagnosis, before you go to the doctor.

A few not-too-horrible femoral hernia pictures can be seen at SciencePhoto.com, and those are more suitable for the squeamish than a broad-based image search. There can be a benefit in seeing a more realistic image of a physical condition you believe you may be suffering from, and not just a drawing or diagram - although you need to see a medical illustration to really get clear on what body parts are involved.

Remember, the area of the body we're talking about is where the leg joins the hip, right at the edge of the pubis, so it is very difficult for pictures to avoid showing the patient's "private parts" as well as the location of the hernia. Most photographs, too, tend to show the extreme cases - very advanced or large hernias that distort the body a fair amount. Also, we're talking about a surgical procedure to repair a femoral hernia, so that involves a certain "invasion" - there's going to be cutting of tissue and the insides of a person showing in pictures of during the operation, then scars and bruising on skin if the photos are shot in the post-op recovery stages.

With all that in mind, I do NOT suggest trying a Google Image Search for "femoral hernia" unless you're extremely cool about seeing very personal and often unattractive body parts in various stages of undergoing surgery!

A.D.A.M. Medical Image Library screenshot
A.D.A.M. Medical Image Library screenshot

Medical Illustrations

The US government's National Library of Medicine website, Medline, has an excellent diagram of a femoral hernia you can look at, if you are having trouble getting a clear picture of exactly where a femoral hernia is located and what's involved.

The diagram is one of the A.D.A.M. Medical Image Library illustrations, protected by copyright and licensed to Medline by A.D.A.M. Inc. It is similar to the same kind of medical illustration you may have seen in a high school health or biology class. That means, for most of us, the diagram will be less disturbing to look at than a photograph of a real person with a hernia, and it also makes it much easier to see clearly the nature of the "mechanical problem" that is a femoral hernia.

Some Lumps Are Not a Hernia

Note: It is often quite normal to feel small lumps when you press hard at the top of your inner thigh, at the bend where the leg joins the groin. Don't panic - and don't automatically assume you have an inguinal or femoral hernia - as these may be lymph nodes that are slightly enlarged. Enlarged lympph nodes are not usually painful unless you push hard on them, unlike a hernia which is more likely to be painful even when you don't touch it.

Causes of Femoral Hernia

Shoulda seen it coming!

As mentioned, a hernia is caused when too much internal pressure on a weak spot in the abdominal wall causes the "innards" (usually a part of the intestine) to bulge through. The causes of a femoral hernia are essentially the same as for any kind of hernia.

It all comes down to pressure on a weak spot, usually as a result of:

  • Obesity
  • Pregnancy
  • Constipation
  • Chronic cough
  • Bladder obstruction
  • Heavy lifting

In my case, it's that last one on the list - heavy lifting.

Or, as I have learned to call it, "doing something stupid."

Technically, it is the weak abdominal wall that is the real cause of a hernia - but the excessive pressure or strain can trigger a hernia that's just waiting to happen, create a sudden pain that draws attention to a hernia that hadn't been noticed before, or aggravate an existing small hernia to be more noticeable.

Female internal organs, anatomical woodcut  circa 1520
Female internal organs, anatomical woodcut circa 1520 | Source

Femoral Hernia in Women

Being a female is a risk factor.

Due to the shape and angle of the female pelvis, women are 5 times more likely than men to get a femoral hernia.

Femoral hernia as a female-dominated health condition is a bit of a special case, however. When all kinds of hernias are taken into account, by far the majority of hernia surgeries (on the order of 75 to 85%, depending on whose statistics you believe) are carried out in men.

Many sources tell us that women who are significantly overweight or obese, and women who have had several children, are even more likely to develop a hernia than women who don't fit those descriptions.

And that does make sense, when you think about it. As we've talked about already, both pregnancy and obesity are among the causes of femoral hernia -- or, to be more precise, of the excessive pressure on a weakened abdominal wall.

How I Discovered My Femoral Hernia

You just know it's time to go to the doctor when...

It all started with a sharp pain in the groin, when I was lifting an elderly dog who had trouble getting onto her feet on a slippery tile floor. A few weeks later, and a lot more boosting of my big old dog, I was feeling a nagging sort of discomfort in the crease where my leg joins the hip. There was also what my doctor kindly called "bladder awareness" (I was never quite sure if I had to "go" or not, or if my bladder had emptied out completely) and I felt just a general ache in my lower abdomen at times, like the rumblings after a bad Tex-Mex meal.

Your symptoms of a femoral hernia may be somewhat different from mine in the specific details, of course -- I'm just telling my experience here, so we can walk through this unpleasant experience together.

The discomfort that I felt was certainly not bad enough for me to bother calling the doctor, until I found a lump! It was a bulge kind of low down in the groin area, just at the crease. If I pushed on the lump too hard, I felt a sharp pain and almost a burning sensation at times. I couldn't tell what size it was for sure -- maybe somewhere between a marble and a big greek olive in size? -- because pushing on the lump seemed to make it move and recede into my body. But it always came back before long. And it definitely gave me a sharp twinge whenever I coughed.

Time for medical attention!

What Happens at Your Doctor Appointment?

Examination and Diagnosis of a Femoral Hernia

Your doctor and/or nurse will most likely start out by asking a number of questions about your condition. It helps if you can think about your answers ahead of time, so you can clearly explain your experience.

In fact, it's always a good idea to make notes of things to remember to tell your medical team, so you don't leave anything out that might be important, or find yourself struggling to remember dates and details.

If you haven't been to see this particular doctor before, the nurse will most likely take a general medical history from you to start with. This will involve asking you a series of questions about your family health history and your personal health, any pre-existing conditions or diseases, any surgeries that you've had, what medications you're taking, allergy information, and so on.

Again, it will help if you've prepared to answer these questions so you don't have to rely on your memory while you're actually in the doctor's office or clinic. Carrying your prescription medications along with you is often recommended, so there's no confusion about what you're taking, how often, and at what does - the information will all be right there on the pharmacist's labels.


Female medical staff.
Female medical staff. | Source

Questions Your Doctor May Ask

Next, in addition to taking your general health history, or updating it if you're seeing a doctor where you're a regular patient in his files, with reference to your suspected femoral hernia the doctor and/or the nurse will have a few more specific questions.

You may get different questions from these, but here's what my doctor asked me:

  • Where is the lump?
  • How long has it been there?
  • How did you discover it?
  • Has the lump changed in size or shape since you first noticed it?
  • Are you experiencing any pain; and if so, how would you describe it?
  • Did you have a bowel movement today?
  • Are there any changes in your bathroom habits; for example, are you getting up in the night to empty your bladder?
  • Any other health concerns?

This list of mine should give you an idea of the kinds of things to think about before going to your appointment. If you can write down this information and carry it with you to refresh your memory, that will help the doctor get to a correct diagnosis more quickly and accurately.

Physical Examination

Tip: If you wear loose trousers to your doctor's appointment, instead of tight jeans, your doctor may be able to examine you properly without you needing to strip down altogether. This can be important if you're the shy type, or if the doctor's examining room is too chilly!

Next on the agenda at your doctor's appointment, you'll need to have a physical examination.

You will likely be asked to lie down, first, so the doctor can palpitate your abdomen. He'll press quite firmly to check for tenderness in the region of your bowels and to determine if there are any masses in your abdomen that shouldn't be there. (By the way, I'm saying "he" for the doctor here just because my own family doctor happens to be male - so please don't take it as sexist!)

When the doctor locates the lump in your groin, he may press on it quite hard to see if it can be pushed back into place. This may feel quite uncomfortable, but it can be an important diagnostic procedure -- one of the ways to tell if a lump is a femoral hernia is that the intestine can be (temporarily) pushed back into place inside the abdominal wall, given enough pressure.

If the lump goes away when you lie down and/or he presses on it, the doctor may then ask you to "turn your head and cough" -- remember that old cliché? A femoral hernia that disappears in this situation will usually appear again when you strain or increase the internal pressure, and coughing is one of the things that will make this happen.

It is also possible that the doctor will ask you to stand up while he keeps his hand pressed against the femoral hernia location. As I understand it, any change in the lump he can feel when you stand up will give your doctor a pretty good idea of how large your femoral hernia is, and generally helps to confirm the diagnosis.

How Urgent is Femoral Hernia Surgery?

Surgery to repair a femoral hernia is normally what the medical people call a non-elective but non-emergency procedure.

Non-elective means it has to happen, but non-emergency means the surgery doesn't have to be done in a hurry. The exception is if your femoral hernia becomes strangulated -- in which case, yes, the repair is then an emergency -- or if you have some other health that makes it urgent for the hernia to be repaired without delay.

For most of us, however, there is likely to be a considerable waiting period before the repair surgery is scheduled.

How long will you have to wait for surgery? That depends on where you live, and on what surgical resources are available to serve your community, as well as on your own personal health situation.

Just to give you an idea of my case, here in Canada, I had an appointment for a consultation with the surgeon within two months of the initial diagnosis, and a date was set for the surgery within four weeks of that appointment. Even counting in the disruption of winter holidays in there, total time from diagnosis to surgery in my case was just a few days over 3 months.

If I had a physically demanding job I was unable to perform because of the femoral hernia (instead of working on a computer most of the day), or if the femoral hernia was in greater risk of strangulation, the surgery date would have been moved up sooner, of course.

Insider Medicine screenshot - If I Had a Hernia
Insider Medicine screenshot - If I Had a Hernia

"If I Had a Hernia" - A Doctor's Viewpoint

"A hernia is simply a hole and the way we fix it surgically is we want to either close it shut with stitches (the problem with that is they often come back), or we put a plastic mesh on top or underneath."

I love that quote. It's from If I Had... a Hernia, an Insidermedicine video interview with Dr. Daniel B. Jones, MD, FACS, of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harvard Medical School.

"A hernia is simply a hole," he says, very matter-of-fact, like a plumber about to fix a leaky pipe! So comforting, for those of us looking at surgery to repair a femoral hernia!

In his interview, Dr. Jones goes on to explain what's involved with a laparoscopy and why that's his preference for a hernia repair. Don't worry, he doesn't say anything or show anything in the video that might upset you if you're squeamish. It's all just good clean education here.

Can a Truss help with a Femoral Hernia?

A number of readers have asked about if there are any medical devices or garments, such as a truss or support garment, to help - the idea being to hold the femoral hernia in place and reduce the pain or risk of further injury until you're able to arrange to go to the doctor and schedule your hernia repair surgery. I had to look into this, and it seems that "the jury is still out" on wearing a truss.

Depending on your individual condition and circumstances - such as your weight and size, and on the precise location of your hernia, and on how the support garment is designed and how well it fits - your doctor may suggest that you wear a truss or support brief on a short-term basis, to help you manage the discomfort of a femoral hernia while you're waiting for repair surgery. Some physicians and other medical professionals are firmly against the use of a truss, however.

There are a few obvious reasons why your doctor may not advise a truss, including the concern that:

  • a poorly fitting support garment may put pressure in the wrong area, doing no good and possibly making the hernia pain worse;
  • a patient may rely on a truss instead of getting their hernia repaired by surgery, particularly if they don't have health insurance or access to a public health care system;
  • wearing a truss might encourage some patients to be less careful, leading to more strain, more damage to the abdominal wall, and possibly very serious complications such as incarceration or even strangulation of the hernia.

This third reason - risk of strangulated hernia- seems to be the most common concern in the case of a femoral hernia. WebMD's eMedicineHealth website, for example, says:

"Trusses and surgical belts or bindings may be helpful in holding back the protrusion of selected hernias when surgery is not possible or must be delayed. However, they should never be used in the case of femoral hernias."

Patient UK says:

"In view of the high risk of strangulation, all femoral herniae should be repaired as an elective procedure, but as soon as possible. There is no place for a truss for a femoral hernia."

And on Sharecare.com, the Honor Society of Nursing (STTI) says:

"There are different styles of hernia trusses - also called hernia belts or binders. ... It's vital that the correct truss is used and worn properly to prevent the hernia from becoming incarcerated or strangulated, complications that can be life-threatening if left untreated." and "Using a truss to treat a femoral hernia is often not recommended because of the high risk of strangulation."

As always, follow the advice of your own doctor, who is familiar with the details of your particular medical situation.

Recovery after Femoral Hernia Surgery

The Number One Thing I Learned ...

After a few weeks, you're likely to start feeling a whole lot better and it is easy to forget to "take it easy" with lifting things or otherwise straining yourself.

Don't rush it.

Everything you may read about the time needed for recovery from hernia surgery is likely to refer to another kind of hernia, because a femoral hernia is actually not very common. But if you're like me, you're going to start worrying about why you're not healing as quickly as you expected... and there's a risk of doing something stupid and hurting yourself again.

As my doctor explained it to me, when I took my concerns to him, the repair surgery for a femoral hernia has a lot of very tiny nerves involved, there at the bend where your leg meets your pelvis, and it will take a longer time for those nerves to heal up. I found I was still getting some numbness, tingling and a vague ache in the incision area for as much as a year or more after the operation.

Do follow all post-surgery instructions very carefully. If you are given a prescription for pain-killers, don't be all brave and stoic -- take the prescription. This isn't about being tough. Pain can actually interfere with the body's ability to heal, so it only makes sense to reduce the pain you'll feel in those first few days.

Ask for help with moving around (getting in and out of cars, for example) or with lifting things when you need it. After a short time, you will be given permission to lift smaller items (usually up to 10 pounds).

It may help you not to worry too much if you keep in mind that there will be some internal bruising and swelling that takes a while to go down -- a cold pack on the area may help, as with any bruise. And don't panic if you still feel a hard lump inside, near the area of the incision. This is scar tissue, and it will gradually get much less or may even go away completely in a period of months or a couple of years.

Above all, don't rush to "get back to normal" before your body is ready!

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The Merck Manual Home Health Handbook: Third Home Edition
The Merck Manual Home Health Handbook: Third Home Edition

Your doctor may very well have a copy of the professional edition of Merck on his or her desk or bookshelf in his office, it's that much of a stand-by reference for basic medical information. Have you seen it? Well, this is the home edition, written in a way that is considerably easier to understand by those of us who are not health-care professionals. Written in everyday language for real people to use and understand - this is the "family" version of the first name in medical reference books. If you can have only one reference book on hand to consult on family health issues, I'd suggest this one.

 

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      Kathy McGraw 3 years ago from California

      I am glad to have read this and that your surgery went well. This was a pretty comprehensive article and should answer just about any question someone has, and telling people to write down their questions to the Dr. is something I learned that is really helpful.

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      norma-holt 3 years ago

      Wonderful report and my thoughts are with you as I do hope all has come good. Well done.

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      macymace 3 years ago

      it helps me a lot,because i have a reducible hernia im 36 years of age, a wife and a mother of 3 children, i haved my hernia for almost 18 years now...

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      sha-ron 3 years ago

      I have learned so much from this lens. thanks

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      GuyB LM 3 years ago

      My grandma always used to say to me, "I hope you get a hernia." I never knew what that actually was until now. I can't believe she wanted me to go through this much pain-what a shrew!

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      Shinichi Mine 3 years ago from Tokyo, Japan

      I did learn something today. Fortunately I don't have and never have had hernia and hopefully never will. But if I do, I know what to do now.

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      seleen fouad 3 years ago

      Informative, I think I have a weak spot since I got pregnant twice, I should be careful, thank you

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      AnonymousC831 3 years ago from Kentucky

      You have explained things so well here. I had a femoral hernia when I was a child. I can't remember what or how they explained things then, so I have always been curious/wondered about the femoral hernia. Great lens.

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      flycatcherrr 3 years ago

      @joliannet: This may sound all silly & new-agey, but a positive mental attitude really does go along way in these things, @joliannet - chin up! For most of us, the hardest part is staying quiet afterwards & letting the healing happen, when we start to feel well enough to be bored and want to get up & doing. I'd wish you luck, but sure you won't need it. :)

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      joliannet 3 years ago

      @flycatcherrr: Thank you so very much for taking the time to respond to me. My surgery is tomorrow. I am so scared of the whole process, but reading about your experience is very helpful. It seems that the hernia is inguinal and not femoral. (It was so low I thought that it was femoral, but I suppose they are alike enough!) I was told that they will be doing a laparoscopic surgery. (Although on one of my papers it said 'poss. open...whatever that means!!) The idea of closing your eyes and waking up and it is all over sounds ideal. I am so glad that that was your experience.

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      flycatcherrr 3 years ago

      @magaroo: Oh, you're most welcome! I wish I had known the same stuff, going in, so as not to worry so much - so I'd hoped that sharing my story would help to set others' minds more at ease. So glad to hear you found this helpful. :)

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      joliannet 3 years ago

      Hello! Thank you so much for taking the time to share your experience. As you know well, it can be very scary to experience something like this, especially if you never have before. I really appreciate it!Would you mind sharing what your experience was like on the day of your surgery? What was it like getting the anesthesia? How long was your surgery?I have a femoral hernia, relatively large...about the size of an egg.I am meeting with the surgeon for the first time this afternoon.To be quite honest, I am terrified!Thank you so much, and I really look forward to hearing back from you!

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      magaroo 3 years ago

      Thank you for sharing what to expect AFTER the surgery! My own surgery - I'm a 36 year old mother of two - was about 2 weeks ago, and how I wish my surgeon/nurse had spent more time discussing what to expect. In the midst of all the info-sharing, they forgot to mention that I shouldn't be freaked out by the arrival of "the healing ridge" (the name given to what was once your flat incision and is now a roll-of-quarters-under-the-skin-sized hard-ish ridge of an incision). Ick. But normal, and a great sign that your body is doing its healing job well. Also...the surprising exhausting for nearly a week following surgery. I later found out it was because so much of my body's resources were being diverted to the healing involved. Finally, I was very happy to hear that you also experienced what I have been feeling two weeks out...continued post-op aches beyond the incision site, numbness, and jolt-like twinges below my incision and in my inner thigh near the groin. LOTS of nerves in that area unfortunately. Honestly, the procedure itself is easy - the healing takes patience. Thank you for the reassurances!

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      flycatcherrr 3 years ago

      @joliannet: @joliannet no need to be nervous! Compared to the wonders that medical science is called upon to do these days, a femoral hernia is not too scary. Day surgery - I don't know how long the operation itself took as I was asleep :) but a little time for paperwork ahead of time and a couple hours of snoozing in the recovery room afterwards, then the surgeon came in to talk with me about how it went and what to look out for, how to care for the incision, etc. I went to the hospital in the morning about 8:30 or something and was back home having a cup of tea by the middle of the afternoon. Going under the anaesthetic is not a big deal, just a mask to breath through and you go to sleep. I was chatting with the OR nurse and went to sleep in the middle of a sentence, just that quick. :) Afterwards, some people feel queasy and nauseous after going under a general anaesthetic but it usually passes off in a couple of hours. My advice to you would be to make a list of questions and be sure to ask your medical team about anything that's on your mind. Don't be shy to tell them that you're nervous - they will understand, and it will save you the trouble of trying to act all tough if you're feeling jittery. :)

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      joliannet 3 years ago

      Hello! Thank you so much for taking the time to provide this information! As you know, it can be very scary going into something like this, especially if you have never had surgery before. Your sharing is much appreciated!I have a femoral hernia. I have a first appointment with the surgeon this afternoon. I think this is to determine how soon I need the surgery and set up my next appointment. Would you mind sharing some of your experience from the day of your surgery? How was your experience with anesthesia? How long did the surgery take? I am terrified of the process!Thank you so much, I really look forward to hearing back from you.

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      Flora Crew 3 years ago from Evanston, Illinois

      I am still not sure whether mine is an inguinal or femoral but it is in that area. The doctors know about it but have not insisted on its being operated on. Thanks for the info.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      and please remember: you don't have to bear the pain! that's what meds are for!

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      tonyleather 4 years ago

      Ouch! This lens is very informative, but still I hope it doesn't happen to me!

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @steph56: Go to your family doctor (your primary care stop in Cdn healthcare system) and she'll do an exam and referral to a surgeon. if you don't have a family doctor, go to a walk-in clinic. This surgery does not requires a specialist, fortunately.

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      steph56 4 years ago

      Anyone know of female hernia specialist in Maritime Canada? I am in excrutiating pain and my symptoms fit everything I've ever read about female hernia. I am in AGONY.

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      jake542 4 years ago

      I find this a very interesting indeed and well thought out. I am in my 78th year, and I to have a femoral hernia. just how long it is to see a consultant, I am amazed. 6 weeks at least for a consultancy and four months if you lucky for surgery. I paid for a consultancy and was seen to in four days. They wanted nearly 3k for the operation.. It eased my mind. A 'symptomatic' operation. I honestly do have no idea what that is sadly I am having bad early morning nausea. Not very nice. Just do NOT know what to do.. It is to be a local operation. Give information given by U folks Ta

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      jake542 4 years ago

      I am very impressed with this site indeed. I am 78, and diagnosed with a Femoral Hernia. Whilst not too painful, my problem is that every morning I wake up with nausea. It does fade during the day. It is so debilitating I had no idea the waiting time for a diagnosis, without the time to wait for an operation, is so long !!!!!!!! I did check to have it done in a private hospital, I found that it would cost nearly 3000 for day surgery.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @flycatcherrr: i am still trying to figure out what's going on. i've seen 2 gps, one of whom referred me to a surgeon who said he couldn't feel anything. and i've had 2 ultrasounds and 1 ct scan. next i am being sent for back and hip x-rays. no one seems to know what's up. apparently these hernias are VERY difficult to diagnose in some cases. I wonder why?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      After 8 months of misdiagnosis my femoral hernia was discovered on the operating table! I had been told I had a lymph node that they needed to biopsy.... I had been in agony for months, nausea , painful legs, shortness of breath, swollen abdomen. It has been a horrible worrying year. So relieved when my lump turned out to be a hernia but as I'm not good with the taking it easy the recovery is a pain. I have no external bruising and my stitches have all but gone (10 days) but I still have lots of pain where the scar is, severe tingling in my upper thigh and a very tender abdomen , my 'fizzy' thigh is driving me crazy and the hard scar tissue is horrible - feels like someone has left a finger in there! This is first post that's described my recovery feelings - so thanks, has put my mind at ease.

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @anonymous: My family doctor made the tentative diagnosis and referred me to the surgeon who confirmed it. No special tests needed - it was palpably clear that it was a femoral hernia.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: just curious - how were you finally diagnosed?!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Thanks for the info...great to be able to hear from someone who actually went through this. I was diagnosed today with a femoral hernia after 3 doctors, 2 ultrasounds and a biopsy failed to figure it out. So glad I kept pressing on. I'm not looking forward to the surgery having never had any procedures outside childbirth before but this post definitely helped.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: can you say more about your recovery renee? i'd really appreciate it!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Thanks for the post and the comments. I'm experiencing pain on my right side, pelvic hip area. I've had a pelvic ultra sound as well as other ultrasound sounds. Nothing was detected. After reading these posts I will schedule another appointment and ask the physican to look for the hernia. I am very active. I spin 4 days a week, jog, bootcamp and take not yoga classes. Yep maybe excessive but approaching 50 I feel great. The pain i am experiencing in my hip flairs io while i am mot active. i actually went to a piodiatris because of the leg pains and they booted my for my achielles. That's one problem. Now it's hip pain is getting worse it's radiating in my thigh and the muscle is flinching. Please share your experiencing and what method of detection is used to determine it's a hernia? Thanks for your feedback.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @maryseena: i agree! so helpful.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: it's nice to know you had only local anesthesia; that's what i would prefer if it turns out that i need the same. hope you are well now.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Amy I feel a lot like you. No definite lump, but similar symptoms. LOTS of pain. :(

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Can they miss a femoral hernia in a CT scan? How is it diagnosed?

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi....I was diagnosed 4 years ago with a femoral hernia and to date it still has not been repaired...I am going to my regular gp on monday and have them refer me to another doctor as the one i am seeing says that the more weight i lose the more the symptoms will go away, he said the hernia will never go away but the symptoms will...which now from reading more on the subject worries me because all other people with femoral hernias that i have talked to have said that i need to have the surgery to repair it!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      hi there... i don't know yet what i have but this sounds like it could be it. at first my doc thought ovarian cyst. but i feel like it's too low for that. did anyone who had this have nausea and/or lower back pain? i am very scared of surgery. :( ...had a laparoscopy years go and it was tough.

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @Elsie Hagley: Oh my - poor you! What a good thing that surgery has come a long way since then, isn't it? Thank you, yes, I'm doing well. Now the trick will be not to do anything else stupid to give myself another one!

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      Elsie Hagley 4 years ago from New Zealand

      Nice article. I know what you are talking about as I had one in the groin, when I was pregnant with my first baby, it ruptured and I had a emergency operation, I was pretty sick, about 10 weeks pregnant, had morning sickness. Oh it was terrible, I will never forget it even though in was over 50 years ago.Hope everything is all good for you.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      feel much better and safer wend I read this article thanks

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This is a great article .. I just had femoral hernia surgery a week ago ... And so far the recovery is a little hard on me ! So hard to find articles about femoral hernias

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm all in favour of "no vacuuming"! :)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Great information and I like the video animations. I was looking for something to send my sister so she could see what kind of procedure I had earlier this week and I will send her this link. I am a 65 year old woman, not obese, but with a chronically weak abdominal wall. I especially appreciate the advice on not overdoing it as I feel better. This I like: my surgeon told me, "no vacuuming!" Sounds good to me!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I have these symptons, but no lump is found, when i bend down it feels like i have caught up on something ..it hurts alot some days and just uncomfortable other days...when i cough or sneeze it hurts, and if i sit for a long time it hurts more....any advice?

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Wishing you a speedy & complete recovery!

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Great article. Thanks. I just had a femoral hernia repair two days ago. Mine was rather large, more of a ping pong ball size. Doc didn't know if it was an inguinal or femoral hernia unti he got in there. I am pleased to say my discomfort has been minimal. I have had other surgical procedures that I cannot say the same about. It is difficult to take it easy, as one should, so as not to undo the repair. Mine was also done open due to the other surgeries I have had. The other surgeries would cause adhesions making it difficult to use a laparoscope.

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @anonymous: LOL at "No carrying 100lb bags of concrete." - Your doctor sounds like he has the same sense of humor that my doctor has. :)

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Don't be scared, Mary - that will just distress you. Remind yourself that the ultrasound will show the doctors exactly what's going on, and then they'll know how to deal with it. Thank heavens for modern medicine! If you love working out, then yes, you will find the recovery time to be quite frustrating and you'll need to be careful not to overdo it as you get back to your routine. Good luck! I am so glad you found my story helpful. :)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I really glad you posted this as i was told on may 23 2013 that I may have this type of hernia. It started with what felt like allot if pressure in my right hip. So i made an appointment wiyh my docotor. He made me cough and he felt a lump so he had the student doctor feel and he thought ether it was a baby foot or hernia. So i go for the utra sound on june 26. Im very scared and praying i dont need surgary being 28 female you like working out and is not able to is very annoying.

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      Susan Hazelton 4 years ago from Summerfield, Florida

      This is a tremendously informative and fascinating lens. It is most useful.

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      L. Olson 4 years ago from Northern Arizona

      This is not only very interesting, but highly useful! Thanks for sharing this information.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Folly guy...I found your candid conversation about the entire subject 'hernia' to be very interesting. I'm a51 yr old who swears he is 21 but my body says different :). I have never had any surgery ever and I'm starting to freak because I'm meeting my surgeon this Wednesday the 12th of June. My parents are troopers they fight medical battles daily and to be very honest...I'm not sure if I can. I'm a divorce gentleman and I feel I'm by myself...look people I'm not belly aching ok..there is always somebody else who has it worst! My hernia is in my groin area and its very tender n is causing me other issues...I'm very honest n truthful and will discuss the world with my surgeon this week. I thank you sir and all of you that have posted your comments...I appreciate your words and most of all..we are lay people and its nice to read your experiences..Thank you..I am Carl Wolff..:)531folly@gmail.com I will keep you posted as I go through the steps.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Just had surgery yesterday. They thought it was either a lymph node, hernia or lypoma...turns out it was femoral hernia. I'm a very active 56 yr old femaie on the slim side. I'd been having right hip/groin pain for several months and my GP's routine response, for seemingly all complaints, is "Well you are 56 yrs old" (she's in her 30's). An olive-sized lump that would vary in size and tenderness led me to see my ob-gyn, who said "That's not normal, I'm setting you up with a surgical consult". Saw the surgeon the same day and he concluded it was one of the three noted above. Surgery was done under local anesthesia (a bit uncomfortable) and he concluded it was a small femoral hernia...rare in his experience. Day 2..I'm feeling very sore, and swollen but anticipate a full recovery with resumption of all activities eventually, per the surgeon. He did advise, "No carrying 100lb bags of concrete."Despite pain and swelling of surgery, no hip pain today!!

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      LynetteBell 4 years ago from Christchurch, New Zealand

      I know about hernias as such but never heard of a femoral hernia. Thanks for sharing

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Just had an ultrasound today and it is confirmed that I have a small femoral hernia. Hopefully I can avoid surgery. Interestingly my female doctor told me" women don't get hernias in that region. She was incompetent and did not even examine me. Thankfully I have a great male doctor now.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I had surgery a little over a week ago for a femoral hernia, which for 10 months was thought to be my lymph node. I am on the thinner side, and despite all the examinations, bloodwork and ultrasounds, the doctors didn't know that it was a hernia until the day of surgery. The first 2 days are the worst, physically. Thereafter, the toughest part is not overdoing it because you feel up to it. You will tire easily and have to remind yourself that rest is the best thing.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      This sounds a lot like the symptoms that I am experiencing - have an ultrasound scheduled in a couple of weeks - this was very informative.

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      Loretta Livingstone 4 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Helpful advice. I was told I had a very small hernia some years ago, but did not need an operation for it. If I get any of the symptoms above I will certainly go back to my doc.

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      Loretta Livingstone 4 years ago from Chilterns, UK.

      Helpful advice. I was told I had a very small hernia some years ago, but did not need an operation for it. If I get any of the symptoms above I will certainly go back to my doc.

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      flycatcherrr 4 years ago

      @Coffee-Break: Oh, that is such a shame that the idea surgery made your gran live with unnecessary pain. I do hope this story of mine will encourage others not to be afraid to get a hernia fixed up.

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      Dorian Bodnariuc 4 years ago from Ottawa, Ontario Canada

      My grandma had hernia, she also got it from heavy lifting. She lived with it her last years, as she was scared of surgery. We couldn't convince her to do it.Great information, thanks.

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      maryseena 4 years ago

      Hearing about a condition like this from someone who has experienced it is worth more than reading a hundred books on the subject. Thanks for sharing.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Thank you for your information. My little 10 year old girl has had this problem for the past 6 months and we have been trying to get our medical experts to tell us what was wrong. She has only just been diagnosed today as having a femoral hernia.our Doctors told us she didnt have a hernia, even after an ultra sound.???? whats that about. Anyway, I am now informed thanks to your page. I will be diligently watching for any signs of complications while we wait the 4 weeks to her surgery. Thanks again

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      atomicgirl24 4 years ago

      Gahhhh, this condition sounds and looks so painful! BTW, I checked out some images on Google Images. The stuff that turned up isn't too bad; just a lot of medical illustrations with the occasional icky surgery picture thrown in the mix. ;-)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I newer heard of femoral hernia before, I learned something new today. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your experiance with us.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi, after 4 surgeries in the last 4 years i went to a Dr on Friday that told me the good news, you have a right Femoral Hernia and the reason i said good news it is because i taught i was going crazy because no one knew the cause of this Chronic Pain:-( no surgery like the ones i had : bladder sling surgery twice,Hysterectomy, bilateral ovaries removal, pain meds, injections, physical therapy, massages, chiropractor treatments etc you name it i had it all.Now i am just waiting for app with a Surgeon on January 8th, do you guys think that it is ok to wait a month for this?

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @kimadagem: That's sort of my line of thinking at the moment, too - I've added a couple of links to images, but a femoral hernia is difficult to show without getting close to the 'private bits', you're quite right. Thank you - I do hope that sharing my experience will help others.

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      kimadagem 5 years ago

      I'd have no problem with seeing pics of a femoral hernia - as a former nurse I've seen plenty of inguinal hernias - but the area in question is so, uh, sensitive (meaning, too close to another area) that I voted No. You could always include a link or two to pages with pictures, with a warning that they might be too graphic for some people.Thank you for putting this lens up. I'm sorry you had to have the experience but hopefully sharing this info will help others.

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @Cari Kay 11: Thank you, Cari_Kay. I do hope it helps others with a femoral hernia to worry a bit less - it is so easy to imagine all kinds of things, when one is not 100% well.

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      Kay 5 years ago

      I love seeing these types of helpful pages. I know you've helped so many people by sharing your own personal experience. Blessed!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @drdisaia: Thank you! It's always a bit anxious-making for a layman to write about anything medical, so getting the OK from a surgeon is much appreciated. :)

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      drdisaia 5 years ago

      Pretty good synopsis and I have repaired these. :)

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      OUTFOXprevention1 5 years ago

      Great info. Thanks for the lens!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I can totally relate to your anxiety, Aubrey Anna - I'm so glad to have been able to help a bit. Hope you're soon fixed up and on the mend again.Take care!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thank you so much for putting this on here. I was just in the ER last week and when I had the follow-up with my doctor he said that it feels like a hernia and its position would be a femoral hernia. I have had my lump (that I noticed) for about a year. When I first noticed it was small and I thought it was just a cyst which is normal for me, they are everywhere in my body....but this january I went in because the lump would cause me pain if my husband layed on my right side. My old doctor did an internal ultrasound looking for ovarian cysts and found nothing and never acted more on it. Now in the last two wks the whole right abdomen was hurting and I was afraid I had appendicitis...just from the doctors having to feel it the hernia has spread more along the hip line and is very painful......like you put in there about not feeling the normal bladder sensation I can relate, I feel sharp pains instead of the normal to go feeling so I know to go to the bathroom more often because of the pressure and swelling. For me its putting pressure against all the main areas for a woman, causing abnormal bleeding from pressure on the uterus, backing up my kidneys because its pushing against where it meets the bladder (i dont think I have drank so much water in my life before now to flush it out) and making it hard to go to the bathroom (sorry for anyone squeamish.....it took three days of prune juice mixed in grape koolaid to hide the flavor, tons of water, and two colace pills a day to get anything out) Have a consult with a surgeon tomorrow and waiting for my referral to get the ultrasound done. With my husband away at training I spent the last week under my best friends care because of the pain. This helped a lot to shed light on the situation to help my understanding of whats going on.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Have a good day to everyone!I m pregnant and was diagnosed with hernia :-(,so they even do not recommend surgery now.Also one doctor said it might get right after the giving birth or desapear.Any tips how to make it better or at least not worse in the mean time?Was someone able to heal it without surgery?I know that ilnesses has got to do somethink whats going on in our mind or living situation.Red that hernia has got to do with feeling heavy or taking cafre about everythink by yourself and over tired yourself.

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @JenwithMisty: It's my understanding that a lot of small hernias are something a person can live with for many years, while others are of a size and placement that make them 'actionable' - isn't the human body a weird thing? :)

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      Jen withFlash 5 years ago

      Very nice lens! I was told once by a doctor that I had a hernia but I've never done anything about it. That was years ago so maybe that doctor was wrong anyways.

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @TerryG: Oh I am so very glad to hear that this has helped you, TerryG - that's exactly why I wrote all this. Every situation is a bit different, but I hoped that sharing what I learned would help someone else past some of the anxiety I'd been feeling. Can't tell you how lovely it is to hear that I've done a bit of good for your peace of mind!

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      TerryG 5 years ago

      I found this to be a very informative lens. The information for me personally was timely and this had the added affect of putting my mind at rest. It gave me a better understanding of my situation as the doctor speaks fast as its normal for him to see this everyday. I needed a slower explanation and got that here. Thank you..

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @JohnTannahill: Thank you, John. The forced inactivity is the hardest part, I found, but I'mm back to 90% now and very happy about it. Glad I had the surgery before anything BAD happened. :-)

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      John Tannahill 5 years ago from Somewhere in England

      Hernias are quite scary but also quite mechanical to fix. I'm glad you're OK.

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      atsikplornu1 5 years ago

      I like this lens, sooo beter.

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      Susan R. Davis 5 years ago from Vancouver

      Very useful information. Thanks. It's always better to be informed. Knowing what to ask and how to find answers is important.

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      Beverly Rodriguez 5 years ago from Albany New York

      Very interesting. I've heard of hernias, but didn't really know what they are.

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      srsddn lm 5 years ago

      Very useful information. Such a knowledge helps to get an early medical attention.

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      Linda Pogue 5 years ago from Missouri

      I hope the surgery corrects the hernia permanently. This is an educational lens, and should be read by anyone who is concerned over hernias. Thanks and Blessings!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @Anthony Altorenna: Thank you, Anthony, that's very kind of you. Glad to hear your surgery went smoothly, too!

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      Anthony Altorenna 5 years ago from Connecticut

      Great information for anyone who is suffering from a femoral hernia. It is painful, but the surgery was less stressful than the anticipation. Though it took several months before I was back to 100%, the initial recovery was quick and without any residual effects. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @sherioz: Thanks, sherioz - "riveted" is pretty big praise for someone else's medical story! I'm very pleased to hear it's not too boring. :)

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @LadyKeesh: Sure hope it helps you at least to know a bit better what kind of questions to ask your doctor and something of what you might expect. It is always the 'unknown' that I find most anxious-making, personally.

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      LadyKeesh 5 years ago

      I totally agree with sherioz. I now know what is going on with me. Thanx for this information and you are so right when this happens and why it happens. Very good and informational lens. thanx bunches for the researched info.

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      sherioz 5 years ago

      You had me riveted here with your excellent description of this medical condition. What a resource you have provided here!!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      Thank you, Tipi. You're right - trying not to overdo it as soon as you start feeling better, that is a real challenge!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @Virginia Allain: I do hope so - it certainly helped me to write about it. :)

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      Virginia Allain 5 years ago from Central Florida

      Good approach to telling about your medical situation. I'm sure it will help many people.

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      Teri Villars 5 years ago from Phoenix, Arizona

      Yikes, I second CDT and say "OUCH!" Blessed.

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @LouiseKirkpatrick: Thank you, CDT. One thing I've learned in this experience, it is really important not to rush the recovery time after abdominal surgery of any kind. I've been instructed not to lift anything over 5-10 pounds for 3 months, and that's is *really* hard to remember to do, especially in gardening season!!

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      LouiseKirkpatrick 5 years ago from Berkshire, United Kingdom

      Ouch! My cousin had one of these a few years ago...very painful but sorted with surgery. I'm glad that you're feeling better now and this lens is an absolute goldmine for Femoral Hernia sufferers (or should that be victims!)

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @Scotties-Rock: Go get it done! :)

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      Clairissa 5 years ago from OREFIELD, PA

      Very informative and I was so interested. Hope you are recuperating quickly. I have 3 hernias which need repair, but I have been holding off. Guess I will have to make the call. Thanks for such an enlightening and encouraging lens. Blessed!

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      flycatcherrr 5 years ago

      @Elyn MacInnis: Thanks very much, elynmac, that's kind of you! Surgery was delayed a couple weeks but I've had it now and have survived. :) Much lying about on the couch at present but already on the mend.