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What the heck is dyscalculia?

Updated on May 4, 2012

Dyscalculia? Never heard of it.

Dyscalculia is kind of like the Jermaine Jackson of the dyslexia family...

Most people have heard of dyslexia, but dyscalculia is much less well-known. Dysclaculia is a learning disability similar to dyslexia, but where dyslexics have trouble with words, dyscalculics have trouble with numbers.

There is plenty of information available about dyslexia, both on off the web, but much less information about dyscalculia. In fact, dyscalculia is so much less well-known that most spell-checkers don't know the word. As I'm writing this, every instance of "dyscalculia" and "dyscalculic" are underlined in red by the spell-checker here at Squidoo.

I was diagnosed with dyscalculia, or mathematics disorder, when I was a junior in college. At that time there was very little information about dyscalculia -- all I knew was that I finally had a good reason to have gotten all those failing grades in math. What I didn't know was that this learning disability effects my life if dozens of other ways, many of which having nothing whatsoever to do with math.

I'm writing this so that others won't face the same paucity of information. I will talk about how dyscalculia is defined, different theories about what causes it, and the effects is has on the lives of people who have it. I will also talk about some of my favorite coping strategies, and what NOT to say to someone who has math LD.

Gratitude! Lens of the Day, February 1st, 2010!

Thank you for reading this!

I want to begin with a quick Thank You to NanLT who gave this lens its first Angel blessing. Thanks also to Stazjia and Prosperity66 for their Angel blessings. And thanks to Wednesday Elf for nominating me, and then the Squidoo powers that be, for making this the Lens of the Day!

It's always wonderful to get recognition, but these props aren't just about me. The blessings and LotD have helped get the word out about dysclacluia!

Thanks also to everyone who has read this lens, rated it, and left comments. It's a clear statement up support, and proof to me that my writing is having an impact.

Dyscalculia, Defined

When does "bad at math" become a disorder?

I could give you the whole "Diagnostic criteria for DSM-IV 315: Mathematics Disorder", and the "disturbance of Criterion A, B, and C" entailed therein (aww, good ol' Criterion A!), but instead I'll put it in English.

Dyscalculia can only be diagnosed by a trained clinician. This person might be a psychiatrist, clinical psychologist, or an educational counselor working for the schools. The test administrator takes a detailed academic and personal history, sometimes looking at old report cards and transcripts if they're available, and then administers a series of tests. These tests cover general intelligence and various sub-skills including several math components.

A person is diagnosed with dyscalculia if their math scores are substantially lower than expected given the person's measured intelligence, chronological age, and educational attainment. The person's mathematical abilities must also interfere significantly with their daily life, and their academic achievement.

Dyscalculia is generally diagnosed in people of average or above average intelligence. This means that we are not stupid, slow, or developmentally disabled. Some of us are even gifted. We simply have a brain difference that makes it difficult or impossible for us to learn math the way it's usually taught in school.

Dyscalculia in math class? Well, the good days were like this... - Sorry, you've been wangernumbed!

Mitchell and Webb, a hilarious British comedy team, have an entire series of sketches about a surreal game show called Numberwang. They all speak to my experience as a math student, the one that captures it best is the "German" version, N├╝mberwang. When you have severe dyscalculia, your math teacher might as well be speaking a foreign language.

... and the bad days were like this. - I had some pretty mean teachers.

I also included another episode of Numberwang which you should watch if you want to know what it feels like to be math disabled student with a teacher who's impatient, or worse, abusive. I could really identify with "Johnny", who is frantically guessing at the answers to nonsensical questions, only to be told repeatedly and angrily that the answers are wrong, until it's finally demanded of him, "Are you even trying anymore?"

Meanwhile, another student is getting all the right answers and is receiving abundant praise ... but to Johnny, those answers are equally nonsensical.

But you don't have to take math class anymore. So what's the big deal?

Dyscalculia and the rest of my world

Once a dyscalculic is free of math class, the disorder continues to have repercussions in daily life. Think of all the numbers you need to deal with as you go about your day.

You might need to write down an address, enter a new phone number in your phone, and balance your checkbook.

Then let's pretend you signed up for a new fitness class. You look at the clock and see that it's almost time to leave. You enter the address into google maps, call up the directions, print the map, and go, arriving at your class on time. You're a beginner, but you're able to do most of the movements more or less in a coordinated way, and you manage not to punch yourself or anyone else in the face.

For someone with dyscalculia, any of these activities can be extremely difficult. It turns out that dyscalculia relates not just to a person's ability to deal with numbers and math. Dyscalculics often have trouble keeping track of time, and can have difficulty relating a two dimensional object like a map to three dimensional terrain. Dyscalculia is also correlated with difficulties keeping time and coordinating movement, which can cause problems for someone trying to remember dance steps or follow an aerobics workout ... or remember where they're supposed to be on the playing field.

Needless to say, math was always my least favorite subject in school. I avoided doing it whenever I could, my grades were awful, and I was always in trouble with my parents and teachers for poor performance.

I was told to check and double check my work -- oh goodie! I get to do every problem twice! -- but when I did, I came up with a different answer each time.

Since I was also in the gifted program, it was assumed by the adults around me that my only problem was that I didn't care. My parents told me I failed because I wasn't trying. My teachers told me I failed because my mind wandered during class. My parents told me I should ask my teacher if I needed help. My teachers told me I didn't need help, I just needed to apply myself. Help was for students with "real" problems.

I learned to stop asking for help. By junior high I was struggling quietly, but I was passing my classes, and my teachers had their hands full with other, more disruptive students.

I was the only one in my group of friends who wasn't getting A's in honors math. Actually, I was the only person in the honors section who wasn't in honors math at all. I had heard of dyslexia by this time, and I began to wonder if there was something just like it, only with math. On the other hand, I wasn't actually failing, so maybe there was my problem really was laziness. Maybe I just didn't know how to try.

I wanted to go to college, so I had to keep taking math classes. Geometry was a bright spot -- like many people with dyscalculia, I found geometry to be logical and sensible, until they started putting equations in with the proofs -- but by the time I took my last math class I was getting D minuses. My parents were not amused, but I found a small liberal arts college that gave heavy weight to admission essays, and off I went. I swore I'd never take another math class ever again.

So there I was, at a selective liberal arts college, finally and completely surrounded by my fellow nerds. I was in heaven, mostly. One of my classes was giving me trouble. I had signed up for a physics class because I liked science. It was a class for non-majors, with a qualitative emphasis, and what math there was would be simple -- supposedly required only basic algebra. Well, I thought, I scraped by with a B- in basic algebra. I can handle this, right?

Wrong. In the two years since I'd taken a math class, I'd forgotten all the algebra I'd ever known. I was also taking introductory economics and struggling with the basic math required for that. My political science major required me to take a statistics course. If I was flunking every single econ test because of the math, how would I possible handle statistics?

This was the last straw. Clearly, something was not quite right with my math abilities, and I needed to get that straightened out before the dreaded stats requirement. I got a referral for a learning disabilities assessment, and lo and behold, there it was: DSM 315.1. Dyscalculia: "Math skills significantly below normal considering age, intelligence, and education."

In addition to the dyscalculia, I was also diagnosed with a writing disorder called dysgraphia, and attention deficit disorder. I felt incredible relief and validation when I learned that my academic struggles stemmed from genuine, clinically diagnosed disabilities.

My life as an adult with dyscalculia

hey look, there's a light ant the end of the -- *splat*!

Knowing that I have dyscalculia has been a tremendous weight off my shoulders, but by no means has it meant an end to my struggles. I need to use a calculator for any math more complex than single digit arithmetic, and even then I often screw it up because I transpose digits (people tell me that 16 and 61 are not the same thing, but I suspect a conspiracy). This makes it impossible for me to balance my checkbook -- I tried once, and because I worked the math out with a calculator very carefully, and wrote everything down very carefully, I was confident of the amount I had in my account. I wound up bouncing several checks.

After my partner and I got married, we were assigned a ten-digit phone number comprised of ten different numerals, and it took me six months to memorize it correctly. When you're a fully-fledged grown-up and you don't know your own phone number, people don't exactly take you seriously.

For most of my working life I have been unable to make more than a few dollars above minimum wage. Do you remember being told to take a lot of math classes, because the more math you take, the more earning potential you'll have? Well, it's true, and that's bad news for dyscalculics. People with dyscalculia tend to earn much lower salaries than other people do.

I have also lost jobs because of my learning disorders. Apparently when people hear you use words like "epistemologically" in casual conversation, they expect you to be able to do simple math, and when you can't, they don't know how to cope. Sometimes easier for them to decide "you're just not a good fit" and fire you.

What's that you say? It's illegal? Why yes, yes it is! Have fun proving it.

What Are The Symptoms Of Dyscalculia?

I wish I'd known this years ago!

Dyscalculia can be indicated by many symptoms, and not all of them have to do with math. This list of symptoms can be found at dysclaculia.org. I reordered them to start with the bad-at-math symptoms, then moving on to general intelligence, and from there to other deficits that surprised me when I found out about them -- but that sure explained a heck of a lot!

Bad At Math

Dyscalculia is defined by an individual's math difficulties, which present in the following ways:

When writing, reading and recalling numbers, these common mistakes are made: number additions, substitutions, transpositions, omissions, and reversals.

Inability to grasp and remember math concepts, rules, formulas, sequence (order of operations), and basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division facts. Poor long term memory (retention & retrieval) of concept mastery- may be able to perform math operations one day, but draw a blank the next! May be able to do book work but fails all tests and quizzes.

Inconsistent results in addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Poor mental math ability. Poor with money and credit. Cannot do financial planning or budgeting. Checkbooks not balanced. Short term, not long term financial thinking. Fails to see big financial picture. May have fear of money and cash transactions. May be unable to mentally figure change due back, the amounts to pay for tips, taxes, etc.

General Intelligence

People with dyscalculia are often gifted in other areas of academics and the arts:

Normal or accelerated language acquisition: verbal, reading, writing. Poetic ability. Good visual memory for the printed word. Good in the areas of science (until a level requiring higher math skills is reached), geometry (figures with logic not formulas), and creative arts.

Sports and Games

Math class was awful, of course, but so was gym ... turns out there's a reason for that:

May have poor athletic coordination, difficulty keeping up with rapidly changing physical directions like in aerobic, dance, and exercise classes. Difficulty remembering dance step sequences, rules for playing sports.

Difficulty keeping score during games, or difficulty remembering how to keep score in games, like bowling, etc. Often looses track of whose turn it is during games, like cards and board games. Limited strategic planning ability for games, like chess.

Problems in All Four Dimensions!

Between dyscalculia and ADD, it's a miracle that I'm ever on time:

Difficulty with the abstract concepts of time and direction. Inability to recall schedules, and sequences of past or future events. Unable to keep track of time. May be chronically late.

May be unable to comprehend or "picture" mechanical processes. Lack "big picture/ whole picture" thinking. Poor ability to "visualize or picture" the location of the numbers on the face of a clock, the geographical locations of states, countries, oceans, streets, etc.

Poor memory for the "layout" of things. Gets lost or disoriented easily. May have a poor sense of direction, loose things often, and seem absent-minded. (Remember the absent minded professor?)

Social Difficulties

Mistaken recollection of names. Poor name/face retrieval. Substitute names beginning with same letter.

Music

I've been studying music since I was 7, so finding this out was kind of a big deal for me:

May have difficulty grasping concepts of formal music education. Difficulty sight-reading music, learning fingering to play an instrument, etc.

Do all dyscalculics have every one of these symptoms?

Nope. To be diagnosed as dyscalculic, you have to have most of the "bad at math" symptoms, but the other symptoms are a collection of difficulties that tend to co-occur with dyscalculia. Their incidence and severity vary based on the individual.

For instance, I am chronically late, physically uncoordinated, and have difficulty with such sophisticated and complex card games as "Go Fish", but for some reason I do well with maps and directions. I also have varying degrees of difficulty with formal music education. I took intro theory three times before I really grasped voice leading practices, but now it's stuck in my brain for good; whereas my sight-reading ability continues to be weak, in spite of a few decades of practice.

Dyscalculia does not equal Stupid

If you remember nothing else from this lens, remember this! Dyscalculics are not stupid or lazy. We are smart people who struggle with math because of a neurological difference.

Top Ten Dyscalculia Coping Strategies

... at least, I think it's ten. But then, I'm probably the wrong person to ask.

Learning to cope with dyscalculia has made my life a lot easier. I've slowly learned to manage my space, my time, and my health, and recently I've started to earn decent money working for myself. Here are my favorite strategies for number avoision (it's a perfectly cromulent word!):

1. Request a phone number that's easy to remember. I didn't know you could do this, but fortunately my partner figured it out, and since the disastrous first phone number he's gotten phone numbers with as many repeating digits as possible. I can usually remember them in a few weeks instead of a few months.

2. Throw out your address book. Keep all your contact information in your cell phone, and back it up on your computer.

3. When you need to get someone's phone number, have them call you on your cell phone. You can send the call straight to voice mail, and your phone will give you the option of saving the number as a contact.

4. Use e-mail, rather than the phone, to set up appointments. E-mail allows you to cut and paste street addresses right into the search bar of mapping software, so you'll get the address right, which means that you'll arrive at the right place.

5. Use gmail to manage your schedule. Gmail is a free, web-based e-mail system that includes a great calendar feature. You can cut and paste dates and times into your calendar, and then customize reminders in the form of SMS, e-mails, and pop-ups.

6. Outsource your accounting. Fortunately for me, my partner is good with the math and is willing to handle accounts. If you don't share a household with a math person, hire one. You will save yourself money in the long run.

7. Consider a time tutor. "Time tutors" are often ADD coaches who people with Attention Deficit Disorder learn how to manage their time, but they're a great idea for dyscalculics as well. I have my schedule mapped out on my gmail calendar as different colored blocks; for instance, I work out during "green" blocks of time and I do chores during "blue" blocks of time.

8. Try visual-tactile solutions to manage your budget. Get some colorful poker chips, and assign a denomination to each color chip -- say green is $100, blue is $50, red is $20, yellow is $5, and white is $1. Put them in cups for each budget line item. For example, If you have $100 a week to spend on groceries, put five red chips in a cup marked "groceries". If you spend $60 dollars at the grocery store, take three of those chips out of the cup. Pretty soon you'll be able to visualize your budget in a concrete way, and it will be easier to manage.

9. Get a cat. Or a dog, or fish or rabbits or geese. Animals are great stress relief because they don't care if you can do calculus.

There, I guess that's ten. Right?

Five (or something) of the dumbest things people have ever said to me about dyscalculia

and the things I wish I'd said back

1. What are you, retarded?

No. I have a learning disability, which is only diagnosed in people of at least average intelligence. By definition, I am not retarded. And if I were, would you really make fun of me for that? You'd pick on someone with a developmental disability? Wow. I hope you feel big.

2. You could understand math if you tried hard enough!

Would you tell someone in a wheelchair that they could run a mile "if you just tried hard enough?" No? Didn't think so. Then why on earth do you think it's appropriate to tell someone with an invisible disability that their only problem is a lack or willpower?

The fact is that those of us with dyscalculia have tried to do math. We've tried harder than you can ever know. We've struggled a lot and we've failed a lot, but we're still here because we've had to develop the kind of strength you can only imagine.

3. Don't worry, this math is easy!

For me, there is no such thing as "easy" or "basic" math. No, don't try to tell me that this math is somehow different. It's not. It never is.

It's also really embarrassing to have to tell you that the math you're describing as "idiot-proof" or "so easy a first-grader could do it" is nonetheless beyond my capabilities. So, thanks for that.

4. I know just how you feel, I'm bad at math too!

No. You don't.

If you didn't go to bed every night of your childhood believing you were hopelessly stupid, if you don't have panic attacks every time you have to figure out how much to tip your server, if nobody has ever asked you just how dumb are you, really? when it's taking you too long to find the correct change, you do not know how it feels to have dyscalculia.

5. Have you tried using this new thing called a calculator?

Wow! No! Never! What a brilliant suggestion! In all my life it has not EVER occurred to me to try using a calculator! Holy crap, you've just changed my life! How can I ever repay you!

The fact is that dyscalculia often can't be solved by using a calculator. Dyscalculics transpose digits, drop decimal points, and forget signs, none of which are things a calculator can correct.

And seriously, why does anyone assume that a calculator wasn't the first thing I tried? Sheesh.

6. It can't be that big a deal. It's not like you're expected to do calculus every day!

Yeah, it's not like I ever need to read the correct number on the bus, or keep track of time, or have any idea whatsoever how much money is in my bank account!

Dyscalculia causes difficulty with numbers in every way, shape, and form. It's not just about doing advanced math. It's about doing easy, everyday math. It's about keeping track of phone numbers and addresses. It's about reading bus and train schedules. It's about all of those little things that non-dsycalulics do all day, every day, without having to think about it.

So if someone you know has dyscalculia, or seems to be struggling with numbers in any way, this has been a list of what NOT to say. We've heard 'em all, we've had enough, and one of these days one of us will snap and begin throwing calculators.

OK, uncoordinated dyscalculic that I am, if I were to start throwing calculators I probably couldn't hit anything.

Still, it pays to be nice.

Books About Dyscalculia

When I was first diagnosed, I could find hardly any information about dyscalculia. Now there are more than a dozen titles on Amazon alone.

The first book looks like it actually contains dyscalculic coping strategies. I haven't read it but I'll be checking it out soon. The others are aimed at teachers, parents, and tutors of students with dyscalculia. I've found that when I read about math teaching strategies I get incredibly triggered, so be warned.

"What The Heck Is Dyscalculia" is One Year Old!

How many candles is that?

I'm on Squidoo today for the first time in a long time. I've had to look for full-time work, and that's taken all my time and energy for several months now. But for some reason this evening I decided to log on and play with my lenses and I noticed that this lens has been up for a whole year!

In that year, 1523 people have visited this lens. You, dear reader, are adding to that number (adding is where the number gets bigger, right?). Every time someone visits this lens, or clicks the "like" button, or makes it a favorite, or links to it, its page rank goes up and makes it easier to find. Every visit to this lens increases the chances that someone in need will realize that they're not alone. That maybe there's a name for what they're going through. And maybe that name is "dyscalculia".

You, dear reader, rock.

Do you have dyscalculia? Do you know someone who does? Did you learn something new?

This was my very first lens on Squidoo, about a very important, personal topic. I'd like to say a big "thank you" to everyone who critiqued it, made suggestions for improvements, and to all visitors and commenters. By learning more about this disorder you're helping everyone who has it.

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      Felicity 24 months ago

      First of all, it has been 5 years since you orriginally posted your lens. It hasn't tarnished or lost any of its lustre..or is it luster.. ( sorry my dyscalculia makes me suck at spelling ) i often feel like the goose in Charolette's web.. Who would go...double ee, double i, double o,o,u...But this comment isn't about ME or how dyscalculia has affected or effected??? Me..., it's about YOU and how you have affected or effected?? Such a HUGE change in the world. Thank you again!

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      Dale 2 years ago

      I know this article is rather old, but it really says what I have been trying to articulate for numerous years. I am still traumatized from growing up with this problem and being yelled at by my Dad and teachers for not being able to count change fast enough for him, not being able to learn card games he thought were "easy", I still can't figure out how to play Euchre, why I couldn't and still can't figure out "easy" Algebra, and the list goes on. I get tired of being called "stupid" even though I scored 150 on the IQ test and have a Master's degree. I would have scored higher, but I couldn't do the math section . I finally learned how to work around it and let others do the math for me.

      Thanks again for such a frank and honest article.

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      Sara 2 years ago

      Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am in tears...I am almost 39 years old and I now understand why I have struggled so much all these years. I have every single symptom of Dyscalculia. My question is, how do I go about getting diagnosed? Do I talk to my doctor?

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      kynsicat 4 years ago

      Thanks so much for this article. I almost started crying reading it since I immediately recognized myself and my struggles.

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      jprimus 4 years ago

      very interesting lens I was not aware of this condition at all...

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      great article.....i, too, wondered why i was so bad in math during school....i remember my dad trying to explain my math to me at night and i would be in tears....and he would say, why can't you remember...i just told you how to do it last night!.......years later i was researching dyslexia because my 5 year old son was having trouble reading....i came across dyscalculia....i had never heard this term before but as i read it, all down the page, i kept saying, that's me...that's me...that's me.......when the full realization came that all my "stupidity" was because of a learning disability, i cried!!......i finally had an answer...a reason....i wasn't stupid at all.....oh i was so relieved!..........people don't understand why things are so difficult for me....like making lists and sticking to a schedule and waiting 'til the last minute to get things done and getting a meal together so that all the foods are done at the same time.....and bills and a budget.....and the list goes on as you well know.....i am constantly hunting for new, better ways to do things.....and i still struggle!

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      yonique88 4 years ago

      I have never heard of the learning disability Dyscalculia. I had done fairly well to poorly in my Maths classes but did very well in my other subjects. I seem to be absent minded and I get lost easily too. I can be absent-minded at times. I can't visualize numbers in my head. I have to write all of my calculations down in order to do it properly. I believe that I have this disorder. I can't do a complicated Math problem like algebra until I have done it repeatedly. If I have not done it for quite a while, I forget. Thanks for sharing your story. It has really helped me.

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      mcspocky lm 4 years ago

      I had never heard of Dyscalculia before, so this lens was full of new information for me. Very well done, and thanks for sharing.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: Hi as you can see I only found out a little while ago, but it has been such a relief since to know you are not alone and this blog was amazing :-)

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      I do suffer from Dyscalculia. I need a paper and a pencil and a lot of time. Lots of time.

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      lisa-chanter 4 years ago

      I would firstly like to thank you your great I have felt sooooo stupid for so long and I felt like I was reading about myself when i read this it is all so frustrating I know there are so many things I could of achieved if I was not terrified of numbers I am supposed to be going for training with a company soon and they informed me on Thursday that I will have to take a maths test I can feel the whole thing slipping through my fingers now I would really like to get a diagnosis and some help with this if there is any although I am very happy I am not alone with this it has really knocked my confidence over the years and made my life very difficult and it is so hard to avoid numbers and is getting harder most of the jobs I'm applying for want you to take a test as standard.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Wow - so very thankful you make this post. I had such difficulty with math that I programmed my computer to do my homework for me - back in 1982 when I was a senior in high school. I knew I wasn't dumb, because I understood it enough to tell my computer exactly what to do with any problem I put in, and the answers were right when I printed them out. But to physically write down problems? No way. Not if it involved numbers or location-specific symbols. I passed my basic college algebra course by one point, but it enabled me to complete my teaching certificate. I went on to be a Spanish teacher, where I rarely had to physically write down a number. I'm so relieved there's someone else out there who knows what this is like. Thanks again for writing about your experiences.

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      Mary 5 years ago from Chicago area

      I didn't know much about this before -- thanks for the great info! It's one thing to be not great at math, another to truly not understand it. I feel for all the schoolkids suffering from this!

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      RationalHedonist 5 years ago

      I think back to grade school when I was doing addition and subtraction on the ruler or my fingers because numbers wouldn't stay still in my head and I needed to make it visible to see or feel them. Later, I'd stare blankly at at all those a's, b's, c's and x's in algebra and came up with some good artwork on the back of tests, wasting time since I was unable to actually do the test. I could do math on a calculator when I didn't reverse or mix them up. My poor dad worked so many hours with me to help. I got good grades in everything else, but I just felt dumb. I found out I had dyscalculia in college, so when I had to take Statistics for my Psychology major, I had a super patient tutor who helped me daily , plus it was the first time those abstract letter formulas were replaced by actual numbers, I got an A+ when I'd had D-'s in past algebra courses. I wish teachers had known about it when I was going through school. Thanks for a great topic so more people can be aware.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I HAVE IT. I'm trying to find a job where I don't have to do accounting. It is very difficult. I need to be retrained, but there isn't much out there where I don't have to do math! Arrgghh!

      At least now it's formally identified. Thanks for this lens because you very articulately stated what it is like to have this. I'm going to post it on Facebook so people I know will stop saying those six things!

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      sagebrushmama 5 years ago

      Exceptional lens...I've been out of the classroom since my oldest child was born, so I missed learning about discalculia in my teaching days...my Mom was more exposed to the awareness of it...she and I both taught middle school math. She did a lot of manipulative work.

      Loved learning about this from an insider's perspective, it's very interesting and it makes a lot of sense. Hope to read more of your lenses.

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      hinawaseem 5 years ago

      its really nice work,

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      adrian-beckett-7 5 years ago

      I'm a dyscalculia tutor. A couple of years ago I had little idea about dyscalculia. This lens helped me heaps.

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      Success_At_School 5 years ago

      You made me laugh and educated me at the same time.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi There! I told my mom about this dyscalculia thingy because i've read the lens most of the symptoms are correct about me having dyscalculia but the moment i told my mom she was like 'are you that desperate telling me all those things just to made me believe that you're not that stupid why you faied your maths'? I feel sad and unsupported. May i know how do you told you're parents and how did they accepted it? Thank you. This has been a great help.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Hi There! I told my mom about this dyscalculia thingy because i've read the lens most of the symptoms are correct about me having dyscalculia but the moment i told my mom she was like 'are you that desperate telling me all those things just to made me believe that you're not that stupid why you faied your maths'? I feel sad and unsupported. May i know how do you told you're parents and how did they accepted it? Thank you. This has been a great help.

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      Angelina 5 years ago from California

      very interesting

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      HopeArcher 5 years ago

      Wow. I never knew there was such thing. I'm so glad i found this lens.

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      HopeArcher 5 years ago

      Wow. I never knew there was such thing. I'm so glad i found this lens.

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      Addy Bell 5 years ago

      @DifferentPerspective: My parents knew I was having myself tested, so I told them when I got the results. I was expecting them to be happy, because we finally had an answer for why math class had been such a misery. Instead I was met with awkward silence.

      Oddly, over the past few years, I *think* my mother has been attempting to be supportive ... whenever I mention "being bad at math" or "I can't do math", she says "me too". Of course, this is a woman who had to pass a fairly advanced stats course in grad school, so I'm not sure what she's on about, but I'll take what I can get.

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      DifferentPerspective 5 years ago

      I'm curious about how you told your parents. Did they accept it? Obviously, you've dealt with some unbelievers. What kind of percentage believe when you explain, and what percentage at least understands the basics?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I'm 47 and have never know what dyscalculia was. But, guess what- I don't need any testing- I've got it! When I grew up you were just a bubble head/ space cadet/ kinda cute and stupid. I was a small blonde girl so people just laughed it off and i guess I just figured they were right. I am a professional artist by the way- which also fits the profile that you have described.

      These are the difficulties that I have that I think are a result of dyscalculia-

      -No sense of direction

      -Can't spell

      -Of course, am terrified of any math- thank god I can count on my fingers

      -Could never learn another language until I discovered American Sign Language which is a visual ,tactile, and emotionally readable language

      -Could never learn to read music or understand harmony

      -Can't read a map

      -In order to clean up I must take one object, at a time, and put it in its place or I get confused and overwhelmed

      -I have no sense of time and am always a bit late and am surprised every time!

      -Can't plan a schedule or really anything in my head. I have to write it down- usually on my hand or I loose the paper.

      Anyway, you have enlightened this former ditz as to why I am so "stupid" about so many things. I am not stupid at all. I just can't do them because no one knew what dyscalcula was when I was growing up. THANKS! Lori

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This is awesome u are a life saver and I thank u so very much for shedding light on this disorder!!!

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      yayas 5 years ago

      I have Dyslexia an' some of the other invisible syndromes, but Dyscalculia has not been one of my difficulties; thank goodness! I can't begin to imagine how much more of a struggle life would be with the added challenge of such pro'lems. Sometimes, I annoy myself because I count everything as I move through life; stairs, beats in a song, syllables in words... that sorta' thing. An' I always thought THAT was a problem. I think I can handle too much counting far better than I could handle having to struggle with so much of life because numbers create pro'lems. Thank you for writing this page an' helping us all to un'erstan' Dyscalculia better.

      Thank you for your visits to My Favorite Camping Sites and Home Décor an' Children Afflicted With Autism pages. I also appreciate your Angel Blessing on the camping sites page.

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      woracal 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I think you're talking about this product: http://dyscalculianomore.com

      I know someone who has tried it. they seem to be quite happy.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Oh my goodness. This is me. I have had problems with math my whole life! I never made it past long division and I've spent my entire life working really hard to conceal it. I always get nagged to "make sure I get the correct change back" when I buy something but I don't. So I get screwed out of a few cents-it's better than my secret coming out. I also don't tip servers because it's too much work to figure out what to leave-no I don't care if that's "polite". It's how I cope. I don't ever want to sit in a restaurant forever just to calculate a tip. So yeah. I also never learned to read an analog clock (I grew up in the 90's before digital clocks), and got cut down numerous times by my dad and yelled at all because I couldn't read an analog clock. I too have been told that I "could excel at math if I tried", that I'm "retarded", I should "go kill myself" because of being so "retarded", and all kinds of other mean stuff. It's hard being a discalculic. :(

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I want to recommend a new product for the dyscalculia treatment - Dyscalculia No More review

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I'm 51 and have had a very difficult time with math beyond addition and subtraction--I can't remember a time when I didn't. Without a calculator, I can't even do long division. All the usual commentary throughout my elementary, highschool and college years has been the same; "Apply yourself", "Well, you're just going to have to learn it". I never graduated from college because it. I've tried going back to school over and over and the ultimate result is always the same. I once brought up the concept of dyscalculia to a college pre-algebra teacher who laughed at the idea--thanks...teaching is such a noble profession. I don't have insurance because I've always had to settle for crappy jobs--I don't have the resources to get diagnosed. People are, without fail, surprised at my deficiency:"You? Naw! No way, you're one of the smartest guys I know!" I've heard that more than a few times over the years. I'm presently in a program in a community college that I'm about to be failed out of because they don't permit calculators in exams. I know the formulas by heart and always arrive at the correct answers--with a calculator. I'm doing well in all other components of the program, but this do me in. At this late stage in my life, I think I'm pretty much screwed. No one wants to hear about the problems of middle-aged people; we're supposed to have it together,right?

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      Jeanette 6 years ago from Australia

      Just returning to drop a little blessing on this lens and to let you know it has been added to my best maths resources lens.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Thank you! This is great. I have known for years that I have dyscalculia, but am only beginning to explore what that means beyond just being bad at math. I really relate to a lot of your stories and examples of how dyscalculia can affect everyday life.

      I question your phrasing, though, when you say, "If you didn't go to bed every night of your childhood believing you were hopelessly stupid, if you don't have panic attacks every time you have to figure out how much to tip your server, if nobody has ever asked you just how dumb are you, really? when it's taking you too long to find the correct change, you do not know how it feels to have dyscalculia." Some of these things have happened to me, but not all. Tips and change are hard, but I was good enough at other things that I didn't feel stupid most of the time. Elsewhere on this lens you emphasize that the symptoms are different for everyone, and I think that in this section you lose sight of that a little.

      Overall, this is a great resource! Thank you!

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      David Dove 6 years ago

      And I thought it was just me.... excellent awareness raising lens, thank you.

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      Addy Bell 6 years ago

      @anonymous: I'm so sorry your professor humiliated you. As for suggestions ... I wish I had some. I can't do math very well beyond dingle digit operations.

      You say that you can remember phone numbers -- does this mean that you don't invert digits? If you use a calculator, can you type the numbers accurately? It might not help with your prof, but at least it would improve your ability to deal with numbers in general.

      Good luck!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Thanks. A very imformative website. I believe I may have Dyscalculia. I am an adult college student about to graduate except for completing my algebra requirements. I am having a very difficult time understanding the concepts. I have excelled throughout the program with my GPA 4.0. However, when I am in class and the professor calls on my to answer -what seems to be a simple problem for the other students, I can't do it. I had a professor this week humiliate me in front of the entire class. I was mortified!

      I called my eye doctor this morning because I had eye surgery on both eyes for closed-angle glycoma a few years ago. His nurse said " your eyes have nothing to do with it". No matter how much or how hard I study, I am not getting it. This has been an issue my entire life with math.However, the odd thing is I understand time, recall phone numbers and basic math . I get 2+2=4 and 4-2=2 Mine just seems to be when it goes beyond the basics. Help!!!!! Any knowledge or suggestions would be appreciated!

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      YourFirstTime 6 years ago

      I'm wondering if it's genetic. It has hit every generation of my family so far.

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      bikerchickie 6 years ago

      I used to think I had dyscalculia because I used to inverse numbers all the time. 87 would become 78 and vice versa. Now I know better especially since I excelled in math in high school. I was raised in two languages, French and Dutch. In Dutch, one starts with the last number--we say "seven and eighty", whereas in French, one starts with the first--"eighty seven". (well, not quite as the word for eighty is "four twenties" in French, but that's another story). I think my brain gets confused, depending on which language I'm speaking.

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      Jacqueline Marshall 6 years ago from Chicago area

      This has been very interesting. I have a quick mind that I thoroughly enjoy except for math. I look at numbers and turn "dumb." I know I'm not but that is how I feel. It could just be that I am "weak" at math but I've always wondered about it.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I'm convinced my 13 yr old son has this. I've never seen anyone work so hard at math and STILL not "get it". He uses his fingers to figure out 10 - 3, and is so far from having his multiplication tables memorized, at this point I've given up that it'll ever happen. He is on the Autism Spectrum (and is considered very high-functioning, and very bright in other areas), so many of his issues are attributed to that. But I'm absolutely convinced that he ALSO has dyscalculia - how does a 7th grader NOT know that 10-3 is 7? And that 10-7 is 3? Or that 7 + 3 is 10? For most people, it's ONE math triangle (3,7,10 and the various relationships). For him, it's 4 different, completely unrelated math sentences. I was happy to find your blog and read about this issue. Anything that helps me see the world through my son's eyes is absolutely appreciated. Thank you for that.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I'm convinced my 13 yr old son has this. I've never seen anyone work so hard at math and STILL not "get it". He uses his fingers to figure out 10 - 3, and is so far from having his multiplication tables memorized, at this point I've given up that it'll ever happen. He is on the Autism Spectrum (and is considered very high-functioning, and very bright in other areas), so many of his issues are attributed to that. But I'm absolutely convinced that he ALSO has dyscalculia - how does a 7th grader NOT know that 10-3 is 7? And that 10-7 is 3? Or that 7 + 3 is 10? For most people, it's ONE math triangle (3,7,10 and the various relationships). For him, it's 4 different, completely unrelated math sentences. I was happy to find your blog and read about this issue. Anything that helps me see the world through my son's eyes is absolutely appreciated. Thank you for that.

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      Pat Broker 6 years ago from Templeton, CA

      I've never heard of discalculia, even as an elementary teacher. Thanks for the info.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I have been blogging about my own trouble with dyscalculia when I found your post. I can not believe how similar our stories are! I kept saying "Oh my god...me too!" the whole time. My family thought I was on the phone lol. Thanks for sharing!

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      Thank you,you have just described my 39 year old son,whose life is in turmoil because he cannot handle money,time or any of the things you described.He has been charged fees for overdrafts,cheated when paying for items,getting fired from perhaps hundreds of jobs ,etc.etcYes,he also is learning disabled,may have asperger's ans ADD.Thanks again,but where do we go from here?

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      MisTikkal 6 years ago

      I actually cried as I was reading this. A name for it at last and I had no idea. So much you say hit home. I could dance up a dream, but it was so hard to remember the long routines. Play the piano and flute, but only by ear (used to drive my teacher crazy cos he couldn't HA! lol); get lost with the best directions or have panic attacks; time is a problem; and basic maths <------- what's that? Did for a while data entry, but transposing was an issue plus it caused major migraines so did just about every math exam.

      However, just as you say, I excelled at Eng Lit, writing, theatre, singing and latterly, in my own way in art.

      Still wiping tears away here and sending you the biggest warmest cyber hug you have ever had. Thank you SOOOOOOOOO much for sharing this.

      As for you comments on Dilettante or Renaissance, yeah, arrogance takes many forms! Molding, and judging, being two of them.

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      This is like my life story. I especially liked the dumbest things people have said to me part..I have heard them all.

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      TapIn2U 6 years ago

      You deserve every Squid Angel that you get because this lens is very informative and helpful! Children with Dyscalculia need all the help and support they can get. Great job! Sundae ;-)

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      miaponzo 6 years ago

      My son has dyscalculia and he has struggled but he can do math in some forms :)

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      LouisaDembul 6 years ago

      This is a very important topic, because it is little known. The more people know, the less children need to suffer!

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      sorana lm 6 years ago

      Hi! Thank you so much for your wonderful comments on my Great Mathematicians lens. I have taught children with dyscalculia and you are so right: dyscalculia does not mean stupid. I am sure this lens will help others understand this learning disability. It is something that not too many people know about. Great lens.

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      Wednesday-Elf 6 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      You know I've always thought this lens was special! Now am returning to tell you that it has been 'featured on' and 'lensrolled to' my "SquidAngel Blessings by an Elf" lens. :-)

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      miaponzo 6 years ago

      My son has dyscalculia and while he struggles, it's not the end of the world :)

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      norma-holt 6 years ago

      Fascinating read and your writing skills are great. Featured this on What Do Genes Do. Top marks

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      jgelien 7 years ago

      Dyscalculia is new to me but I may actually have it. When I was a kid I seriously thought that the math part of my brain was missing. Quite an awful struggle. Thanks for the great information.

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      ArdenBaird LM 7 years ago

      I've known for quite a while that I have a mild form or dyslexia. My spelling is atrocious and I often stop short when reading because what I thought I read didn't make sense.

      I've always thought I was a "number-phobe" ask me to do anything with numbers and my brain freezes. I never should have graduated high school because I only passed one test in Grade 11 Algebra. My teacher kept asking me why I couldn't do algebra. I only learned later that my IQ placed me in the "gifted" category so no one could figure out why I couldn't (and still can't) do math.

      I'm going to have to do some more reading on dyscalculia.

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @Sensitive Fern: I think a lot of people were traumatized by learning calculation tables :)

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @KarenTBTEN: I've read those altered text passages, and I have no trouble with them either. It's really interesting stuff. Thanks for the blessing!

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      KarenTBTEN 7 years ago

      Back with a SquidAngel blessing... and a thought. I am not dyscalculic, but I have trouble with rows and lines when working with figures, and I can seriously have to check things 3 or 4 times. So... some tracking issues. And yet, with reading... no issues with tracking. There are studies where they deliberately alter text -- omitting and reversing things -- and proficient readers read through the errors. I believe they don't necessarily notice they're there -- they still make meaning from the text just the same. Some people wonder how a person can seem dyslexic with figures, but not writing. It appears that a person might, at the visual processing level, make just as many errors with reading -- but not be impeded with them.

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      Sensitive Fern 7 years ago

      I think I have dyscalculia. I do a lot of transposing or just not seeing things right. But I'm a very good musician, especially sight reading and fingering. I either have dyscalculia or I was traumatized in 2nd grade by learning the calculation tables and shut down. :)

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      jp1978 7 years ago

      @Addy Bell: Thank you both.

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @jp1978: I would say that unless there's a visual/concrete way to explain the math concepts these students need, als is right. These students may need to investigate a diagnosis on their own, or even reconsider their program. It's much better to choose something that employs one's strengths.

      If it's a simple question of these students having rusty math skills, then I would advise them to go to the university's tutoring center, or ask to be tutored by other students who are stronger in math.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      @jp1978: As someone with what is probably mild/moderate dyscalculia (and who started out in a science/math heavy degree) I hate to say this, but those students may need to reconsider their programs. It's not that there aren't ways around the challenges, but for some I bet their strengths in other areas would far outweigh the battles ahead of them if they stay the course. If your school doesn't offer many resources, perhaps you could at least photocopy some of the dyscalculia symptoms, etc. and have them avail. on your wall/door, etc. You aren't qualified to diagnose something like this and you don't want to tell people they aren't capable of doing your program, but if they see themselves in the symptoms list, that might encourage them to re-think what they're doing and why. (Or at least look into it further.) Personally, I ended up changing majors and was shocked when my grades went from kill-myself-for-a-C (even a D sometimes) to regularly setting the class curve without breaking a sweat. The difference? I went with my strengths and math ain't it! =) lol

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      jp1978 7 years ago

      I'm a college Physics instructor, and some of my students have serious difficulty with Math. We don't have the resources to diagnose learning disabilities, and I have so many students that I can't give them all one-on-one time. The students are in the Computer Science program, and they really do need to understand Math. What do you think is the best way to handle this?

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      justholidays 7 years ago

      Congrats on your purple star, Addie!

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      DecoratingEvents 7 years ago

      Congratulations Addy! Well deserved and exciting!

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      Wednesday-Elf 7 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      Hi Addy. A BIG congratulations on your Purple Star. Very well deserved and I'm delighted for you.

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      JenOfChicago LM 7 years ago

      Congrats on your purple star! Thank you for sharing your story with this lens.

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      DecoratingEvents 7 years ago

      Excellent lens. Sometimes people quickly jump to conclusions about disabilities -- maybe they will learn something from this!

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      Fit_Over_40_Buzz 7 years ago

      This is a great lens. Thanks for making it. Very informative. I gave you a thumbs up

      cause I like your lens.

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @LadyLovelace LM: I'm so glad I could help. Knowing really does help.

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @Wednesday-Elf: Thank you so much for the blessing! And for all of the typos you've caught for me over the months :)

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      Wednesday-Elf 7 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      This lens was so special.... and I'm POSITIVE (especially from the comments left on this page) that it has helped a great many people understand those with dyscalculia, plus helped those afflicted with it identify what they might not have known had a name. "What the Heck is Dyscalculia" is very well deserving of the special awards (blessings and LOTD) it has received. On Sept. 1st I was granted a special privilege for a month -- SquidAngel Wings -- therefore, I have returned once again to add my ~~SquidAngel Blessing~~ to this outstanding lens.!

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      LadyLovelace LM 7 years ago

      THANK YOU. I have been looking for an actual name to put to what I have been referring to as 'numerical dyslexia' for years, and now I know. Today, you are my hero.

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      Wednesday-Elf 7 years ago from Savannah, Georgia

      Stopping back by to wish you a Happy One-Year Anniversary of this wonderful lens. I'm delighted it has received the recognition and visits it so deserves, as you have performed a real service sharing your experiences with dyscalculia to help others. From the response, you have enlightened and helped many who were struggling with dyscalculia without knowing what it was or how to cope. You've done an excellent job and are to be congratulated for reaching out to others who needed to have this information. Well done, my dear!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. IT MADE ME CRY BECAUSE MY WHOLE LIFE I HAVE FEARED MATH. I WAS CALLED STUPID BY MY THIRD GRADE TEACHER BECAUSE I COULD NOT DO DIVISION. I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT. NO ONE COULD EVER UNDERSTAND WHY I DID SO WELL IN EVERY SINGLE SUBJECT EXCEPT MATH. I ALMOST DID NOT GRADUATE HIGHSCHOOL BECAUSE I COULD NOT PASS THE REQUIURED MATH CLASSESS. THANK YOU FOR BEING THE VOICE FOR EVERYONE THAT HAS DYSCALCULIA!!!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Thank you for this. I have dyscalculia and dysgraphia and I struggle through every day of my life with it. I just started college again at 25 and im pulling a 3.6 GPA till I started basic math. Im stressed constantly with people in class saying that its so easy but its not....I had my first math class today and I was in tears at the end of it because I took forever to do addition. This article made me feel better.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      hey! just wanted to say thank you. I'm doing a research paper, and this was by FAR the most interesting and informative source I've been able to find. I know you're an English buff, but I dreeeeeaaaddd researching and writing papers. thanks for making it fun!

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      paschar 7 years ago

      I`m Glad to view a lens from one who is getting the word out to others that those like us have good reasons for having problems with math , recent research has shown proof of Dyscalculia being strongly related to Dyslexia and other reading problems related to strephosymbolia (reading backwards ) making objects appear as if in a mirror , love this lens.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      I'm dyscalculic and it's SUCH a relief to finally KNOW it's not my fault! Great article; hits home on every paragraph!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      From your description, I definitely have dyscalculia. Maybe I know someone who does. I feel, if I address my concerns, I can model that. Yes, I never heard of this, though I've lived it. I'll try your ideas & let you know how it worked.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Superb! Kudos on this topic. I'll always be eternally grateful to you for putting this out there.. You've explained everything. Your sense of humor is my cup of tea. It's exactly how I've coped all these years. And SOLUTIONS...... and HOPE.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Pretty much the best lense I've come across. I could always do basic math, accounting, and use math formulas if it was one I use over and over. But anything Algebra and above just blew my mind. I even went to an art college where we didn't have to take math.

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      DeborahLynne 7 years ago

      This is the first time I have ever heard of dyscalculia.

      My niece has a learning disorder called central audio processing disorder (CAPD) and has received specialized classroom aid that has really helped her.

      I worked for years as a teller in a local bank. I never had any major problems with math although I did struggle in fifth grade with the memorization of the timeâs tables, and to this day still don't know them. The biggest challenge I faced as a teller was remembering names and faces and putting the two together. The bank where I worked kept transferring me from one branch to another (7 total) and just as I would begin to match the names to the faces, they would transfer me to another branch and I would have to start all over again.

      Thank you for a great informative article. Debbie

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @joanhall: I was with you until you threw the number at me :)

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      Addy Bell 7 years ago

      @Abseaz LM: Please feel free to contact me if I can be of any help in your research.

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      Sherry Venegas 7 years ago from La Verne, CA

      Congratulaions LotD. Deserved, that's for sure with this lens.

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      bonchic 7 years ago

      If anyone has a child age 7-12 who can talk about their dyscalculia, we'd love to hear from you.

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      happynutritionist 7 years ago

      I'm commenting again, not sure the first one went through:-) This is interesting, I've never heard of this before. Congrats on being LOTD! ~claudia

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      sdakin 7 years ago

      Oh my goodness! I had never heard of it, but I swear it describes me! I can do the music, maps & phone numbers. However, I have serious problems judging distances (or amounts for that matter), and my math answers would always come out different every time. My husband and I joke that I'm spatially challenged - loading the dishwasher doesn't always work out as well for me as it does for him. Thanks for the great information!

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      amithist 7 years ago

      Amen!!! Thank you soo much for sharing

      I use to call myself verbally-numerically dyslexic..Learning left from right literally took years and I still have to wear a Ring on my Right hand. I also still swap my letters and words ie .The bogs are darking.. and when writing its the s,d,b,n,m and so on that get me. It took many years to learn to touch type but at least ppl can read most of what I write now.

      AdHD didn't exist when I was in school. It was called unteachable, lack of motivation and so on. I didn't find out till my early 30s that I my dyslexia was real and that I also had ADD and was bipolar. Despite all that I am still surviving and I will be 40 in about a week. But I digress.. I just wanted to relay that there are so many of us out here and if your "lucky" to be on the older side of things its been a long time hiding out and trying to get by without letting anyone know that your have a LD that goes past just being in school. Thanks again.

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      amithist 7 years ago

      Amen!!! Thank you soo much for sharing

      I use to call myself verbally-numerically dyslexic..Learning left from right literally took years and I still have to wear a Ring on my Right hand. I also still swap my letters and words ie .The bogs are darking.. and when writing its the s,d,b,n,m and so on that get me. It took many years to learn to touch type but at least ppl can read most of what I write now.

      AdHD didn't exist when I was in school. It was called unteachable, lack of motivation and so on. I didn't find out till my early 30s that I my dyslexia was real and that I also had ADD and was bipolar. Despite all that I am still surviving and I will be 40 in about a week. But I digress.. I just wanted to relay that there are so many of us out here and if your "lucky" to be on the older side of things its been a long time hiding out and trying to get by without letting anyone know that your have a LD that goes past just being in school. Thanks again.

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      Teddi14 LM 7 years ago

      Congrats on Lens of the Day! I have been here before and I have referred others to it. Being a special education teacher I have a number of students who suffer from this. Very informative lens! BTW, thanks for featuring my special education site on this lens!

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      Earthenshine 7 years ago

      I've actually always been very good at math, in fact I love it. I've always joked about being dislexic with numbers, but didn't know that there really was a term for numeric dislexia. I was interested to know this. I'm sure I don't have this condition, but sometime I have issues with transposing numbers or my mind reads one number but my mouth spews a different one. Great lens!

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      thanks for taking time to write this lens, I knew I had Dyslexia, and always thought my lack of ability to deal with numbers, coordination, mixing up times and dates, was just apart of that, from reading your lens it is clear to me I have dyscalculia, gee lucky me I have both. I know exactly what it s like to be known as dumb stupid retard, dim witted, not the sharpest pencil etc, to the point in my late teens it drove me to attempted suicide. Panic attacks catching the right bus, was I on the right Bus ? o God what if I got the wrong bus where the heck will I end up ? writing / typing date of birth. Americans do this backwards thing with their dates crap. It wasn't until I met my Partner almost 16 years ago, that for the first time in my life I found out I was intelligent and gifted. Suddenly my mind became like a sponge. I still have a hard time of things, I still forget what my phone number is, or write down the wrong number, dates whatever. I need help fulling out any ofical government form, because nothing stays ont eh page as it should do. Just now I know one simply fact, I'm not dumb, or thick or retarded in fact I'm a genius, that thinks and sees differently from the rest of the world, which enables me to problem solve things others can't, help people simply because of a unique view of the world I have.what was once I curse ( some days still is) Is also one of my greatest gifts and blessings. So have some pachents with people like us, and the rewards will be far more than you ever expected.

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      Swagger1 7 years ago

      Congrats on LOTD!

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      JenniferStephens 7 years ago

      Thanks so much for this lens! Some of my husband's family members struggle with math issues but one of his brothers is now a math teacher! I had no idea there was a different name, etc. for math problems. I am so glad to know and better understand.

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      anonymous 7 years ago

      Okay, I was cracking up when I read this --not because it's funny in general, but because it's sooo funny to me....because it IS me! I truly feel like there is fuzz in brain when it comes to numbers. And at 39 I STILL ADD ON MY FINGERS! lol

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      bonchic 7 years ago

      Emmy-winning team seeks expressive, self-aware child age 7-12 who REALLY struggles with dyscalculia but who also may have talents/gifts in OTHER areas.

      The goals of this major cable television network film are to shatter myths about people who learn differentlyâas well as clarify what a learning difference is.

      This will be a sensitive, non-exploitative film about children with learning differences, by children, for children and adults alike.

      NO CHILD MAY PARTICIPATE WITHOUT WRITTEN PARENTAL CONSENT.

      We are on a tight deadline but if anyone has a special child who fits the criteria above, please contact me.

      LDFILM@AOL.COM

      Thank you