I mean I am seeing it it everywhere, like we who own Christmas being Christian can say Merry Christmas all we want now. This president thinks it is a great thing and recommends it and I love it. Don't you? Look at all those world wide who would love to be able to say and live it as we do but cannot being persecuted for their belief but we are free to celebrate ours and let us do it an extra for those who cannot. OK? Merry Christmas!!! How many Merry Christmas's do you think we can get here before Christmas?
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I wonder about all this. The legal concept goes kind of like this. Christmas Christian stuff in an office is probably OK. The problem would be if it led to a hostile work environment for non-Christians and Christians. That would be discrimination.
Your response is what the holiday season is all about. Thank you.
That is true and I have agreed with that, but Christmas is about Christ, thus the name. No law against making it what you want as long as no law stands in the way of the real meaning.
I got an email from one of my regular customers last week, and her sign off wished me a Happy Festivus. It made me smile.
JL: "real meaning"? If I'm not of your faith, the "real meaning" might be something very different. Get a broader view!
Some people should realize Who Christmas is all about. And being Christian. Here is a hint. Christian - Christ
I know many Christians believe if they do historic research beyond the bible, it is a sin. But, God gave you a brain for a reason. Read the link I included, or do a search. Its not even Jesus birthday & he's not the only virgin-birth 'savior'.
Jackie, Christmas may be "all about Christ" for Christians, but December isn't all about Christmas to the world. You do realize this faux victim yet somehow also pompous routine is part of the reason people steer clear of that brand of religion?
Good point. It is the overbearing attitude of some Christians that turn people off to Christianity and all religions. I am a practicing Catholic, but can't stand the holy than thou ones, when truth be told, we are all sinners (even priests).
Catherine, there's nothing wrong w/doing "historic research" - I've done some. God did give us brains, & many Christians, though not all, use our brains; we also believe scripture is the word of God, & can't be be undone by a few wayward hist
Its just that bible has been proven several ways to be harmfully manipulated & 'enforced' onto us; and THIS is what causes our DEEP divisions. I've got a hub on how Christians have proven God exists by debunking salvation. 2 versions of Christian
If "Christians" have chosen 12/25 as Christ's Birthday, Scripture says "Let no man JUDGE u on an holy day"(Col2:16)so what are u talking?
MF; If you 'knew' "GRACE," you wouldn't "Debunk!"
What causes "DEEP divisions" is not allowing HS "lead!"
No, what causes these deep divisions is that the bible HAS BEEN PROVEN SEVERAL WAYS OVER to be a manipulative text designed to CONTROL MASSES thru FEAR. There is no other reason to FORCE people to BELIEVE IN anything. Ignorance has been SO harmful.
Jackie, YOU should realize that YOUR beliefs aren't the only ones that matter. You want religious freedom to express yourself. But you don't have tolerance for people who celebrate Hannukuh, or Kwanzaa. We are a SECULAR country of many religions.
"Holidays was just a contraction of Holy Days", I Love that (◠‿◠✿) I've never heard that before. Thanks for sharing
I love your response. I was speaking with my prescription provider today and when the call ended she said, "Merry Christmas." This person had no idea whether I was a Christian or not and I felt it was odd on her part to make that assumption.
Well 70% of polled Americans were Christian so that could actually make the number a good bit higher. It was 80% last I heard so it is an easy assumption for someone to make. I don't think Christians at all mind others saying Happy Holidays.
I agree it it has become too commercial but as long as the gifts are about love and giving, I don't think Jesus minds. It is a celebration.
Here is one instance that I agree with you Wrench. The insistence that the commercial holiday we've come to know as Christmas is actually, as celebrated, about Christ, is nonsense. It's about Christ in name only.
Please don't paint people with a broad brush. Catholic churches celebrate Christmas by paying homage to God... In fact, they go out of their way to warn their parishioners not to be caught up in the secular diversion of sales and gifting.
That's a good thing the Catholic churches do! I wonder how many Catholics, and non-Catholic Christians for that matter, manage to pull it off?
Laura Bush? LoL! Not about Jesus, but NEITHER does it 'pay homage' to dark forces. We've all felt a 'spirit of Christmas' unity inside. That is a warm-hearted collective conscious thing to be treasured as a human cuz it doesn't happen often.
I have a relative who is an atheist and he has no problem celebrating Christmas. He even plays Christmas songs with his band at nursing homes to bring cheers to all. For the life of me, I just don't understand people who are offended by Christmas.
It is offensive because it exemplifies the shallowness and hypocrisy of modern society. If people really believed in the spirit of Christmas they wouldn't continue to fund war and regime change in the Middle East. They would't do a lot of things.
You are confusing issues... one has nothing to do with the other. Celebrating Christmas has nothing to do with what goes on in Washington whether you agree or disagree with our country's leaders. If that's your position you might as well live in cave
I meant Barbara Bush. Why her, WB? Does she represent 'commercial' Christmas? Someone taught you how to judge others well. I'm sure it is a useful talent in some way. But, Chistmas is what you choose to make it & joining those things is UNCOOL.
Jack, if this is truly a democracy, that means the people sanction the policies of government and the police state. CMostly, "Uncool" is celebrating while children continue to die in Syria. Mrs. Bush looks like Christmas makes me feel. Comprende?
If you think the US is a police state, what do you call North Korea and Iran?
You R obviously a powerful focusing creator, WB - but, U R focusing on the wrong things. What U give your attention to is where your energy goes & it HELPS build that energy MORE. Look up Law of Attraction. 'Bad' things R being released in this w
Jack, I don't like the smell of human excrement. Your argument suggests that because all animal excrement is offensive I should like, or accept the smell of my own. CMostly, UR on right track. Bug Zappers attract and kill bugs. I am your champion.
WB, that is not my argument at all. I am just pointing out what you perceive. Do you put the US in the same bucket as North Korea? If so, you are so misguided. Yes, we are not a perfect nation and never claimed to be. But on the scale of countries...
Jack, because of our collective complacency, and the "pursuit of happiness", people are dying; children are dying. If you knew they were coming to kill your child tomorrow, would U still go Christmas shopping today?
Who is coming to kill your children? Are you living in an alternate universe? You speak in riddles... what has life done to you that you have lost all faith in human kind? I wish I could help. If there is one thing you could wish for, what would be?
To be a child again, unto perpetuity. My childhood was heaven on Earth. I attribute that to blissful ignorance, and those I have loved who were stricken with time and ceased to exist. The truth has set me free, yet I long to embrace an illusion.
WB, unfortunately, that is one wish we all like but can't come true. Time is one directional. we all grow old and die.The 2nd best is to make the time we have now the best it could be. The past is over, our time is a gift, that is why
It is present
For me an U there are many forks in the road, and this is yet another. I believe time is cyclical, that we can influence the past just as the future. I also believe each event on the timeline is perpetual to infinity, and we can relive each moment.
Maybe, but our point of power is always in the NOW - and it is why you should look into the LoA, WB. You have so much more potential than you realize. You're only a 'bug zapper' in an irritating sound kind of way.
U cannot possibly know my "point of power". A physician does not seek approval from the uneducated patient. He simply upholds an oath and performs his duty. U have taken a big step in schooling the doctor. Your naivete is impressive, and endearing.
LoL! The moment you start believing that no other human can teach you something, is when you start to become stone; and no matter what your 'beliefs' - you become someone like Norine: know-it-all, BITTER, obtuse arrogance that no one listens to.
Your assumptions are legendary. I do not care who "listens to me". My purpose is not to make friends. The monkeys at the zoo don't appreciate words either, but I would do whatever I could to protect them. I am your champion. Be thankful I am here.
No, Champions have a LOT more humility than you do; they don't brag about it; nor rub anyone's nose in it. LoA and Point of Power being in the NOW is a Universal Law that you are scoffing at. You're obviously still ignorant & it is harming you.
If I did not have the greatest of all humility, I would not be here. Furthermore, you have subscribed to an imaginary standard, which is why evil men still rule over you. Goodness does not always taste like a sweet candy, but often pungent and tart.
Ronnie, you're starting to sound like Donald Trump. Take a step back and re-evaluate your attitude.
You can continue to embrace the bad, pour your energy into it & make it worse, if you want to. Only a handful of enlightened folks are needed to change things. Its just that you seem to see yourself as 'enlightened' but still cater to evil? Weir
What bad things am I pouring my energy into? What am I making worse? Apparently you perceive the truth as an evil force. I have rebuked evil, and so I am rebuked in turn. I clearly understand the Law of Gravity. Why are you so filled with anger?
I have never been away from saying Merry Christmas. I have never been a political correct freak. If someone doesn't like it they can do whatever they want because I am going to do what I want.
I agree, I don't care what anyone says, I just can't see anyone being offended at the ones the holiday belongs to and trying to change it or forbid it.
I agree, I don't really get it either. If I lived in another culture where most people celebrated a different holiday I'd be happy to be included in their celebrations & continue mine separately.
Glad to hear that. Such simple things should never be fought about. Especially in America of all places.
Christians share the same God as the Jews and of course I respect their belief coming from one of the same book I live by but when it comes to Muslims I believe you may get a big surprise. They want to outlaw Christmas, lights, all & destroy.
You're over generalizing. My best friend growing up was Muslim and she participated in all the Christmas stuff at school, her parents proudly watching.
There's also a Muslim girl that works at my local store who says "Merry Christmas" to everyone
Guess I am watching too much of what is happening in Paris, Germany and our own twin cities. It is possible people do not act their religion which of course is one that plans to rule the world and be the only religion.
Yes, you are watching the extremists and applying that mentality/behaviour to the majority of people who are not.
This does seem to be Muslim migrants anywhere though, so why is that?
Thankfully it's use hasn't established itself yet in Europe, but I have to say that I have seen it being posted on FB through sharing. I'm sure the original post came from the states. We should all feel free to say happy whatever we want.
You know what? Those who love Jesus could care less about your fact finding. He is savior of the world and we celebrate He was born to die for our sins so we can have life eternal just because we stand on His name & believe in Him! Merry Christma
Your reasons are crazy. 1) It doesn't always snow or get cold during December in the Levant. 2) Were you there? 3) How do you know the star wasn't, ya know, a MIRACLE?
I am pretty positive we can go by the bible. Whatever it says is what I believe and true sometimes it takes a little study to see many hidden meanings (learning through the spirit) basically though I think we are OK with Christmas!
Previous 'saviors' with similar virgin birth & 'miracle' stories: http://www.weekendcollective.com/all-the-gods-born... We can enjoy the celebration for the inspiration & goodwill it still brings to
I think that is great and not everyone is out to steal what is yours and the joy that goes with it and I would certainly never judge those but expect they get kind treatment in return.
That blending of cultures sounds lovely. After all, that's what X-mas is supposed to be about: Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. This was even the sentiment when it was still a pagan holiday.
I like that, too. Celebrating each others' holidays can be very good fellowship and introduce others to our beliefs without bashing them on the head with ideology. Cheers and Merry Christmas!
"And whatsoever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him" (Col3:17)!
I agree but it also begs the question, what would make someone, not a Christian, to take offense on this simple greeting? No one is forcing another to go to church or to pray or to bow down... It is just a simple greeting of cheer.
We only defend because it is our holiday for Christmas is Christ Jesus birthday and the celebration is for Him. We only have problem with those who try to change facts. Anyone else can celebrate Dec any way they want, why would we care?
You don't need to defend anything that was written by man. Instead, just be nice, kind, and accepting of ALL human beings and their beliefs. After all, the Great Creator represents every living being.
But Christmas is Jesus Christ's birthday & that means something very special to Christians who love Him for their salvation through Him. We can make a big deal out of it if we want to & say Merry Christmas without guilt because it is our holi
What is being defended is the right to SAY Merry Christmas. There have been people trying to make people to say Happy Holidays INSTEAD of Merry Christmas. That is what is NOT right. Nothing against others holiday greetings.
Thank you Greg, that is exactly it, beside the point that since it is ours we can certainly say what we want to.
I second the motion. If I say Merry Christmas to a non-Christian or Happy Holidays to a Christian by an honest mistake, I'm not trying to offend that person, instead I'm trying to spread the cheer of the season.
I am just a Merry Christmas person, take it or leave it and I mean no offense I just stand by the holiday in whose honor it is in. If someone else is not celebrating Christmas then it should not offend them if they are only borrowing it.
Bill, did you miss this whole discussion by jumping in here? The problem was a creation by the atheists and humanist activist. They have intimidated companies such as Target and others to tell their employees to not say merry christmas...
Jack, that doesn't say much for the managers and the employees. I have been tying my own shoelaces since I was 3 years old. What's so hard about thinking for yourself?
Well me too, I mean I guess Happy Holidays is OK except that it means I have something against saying Merry Christmas. lol Real Christians love real Jews btw, & also our bible tells us to! Esp in these last days. We share our God.
I hope "real Jews" have taken into consideration what the man who spoke "IN CHRIST"S STEAD" (IICor5:20) said: Gal 1:6-9!
Really? So you don't think Christians are under assult? Check out my hub on "war on Christmas debate" writen a year ago...
I would be interested in your reaction...
Christians are not under assault. They're just not used to having to share, having been the dominant religious philosophy (and still is) in this country basically forever. Others get tired of having their beliefs dictated. Hard to discuss here.
Man has made "Christianity" a RELIGION! Did Jesus call HIS "Gospel" that? For ONCE, I wish peeps would 'consider Scripture!'
ALL "RELIGIONS" are from SATAN! There is ONLY ONE TRUE "GOSPEL" and that is "THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST" (Gal1:6-9)!
Not to argue, but didn't several major department stores actually stop saying Merry Christmas? And schools (to be PC) stopped allowing decorating for fear of alienating some people? Even the card from the WH doesn't say Merry Christmas
Same goes with calling it a Christmas tree instead of a Holiday tree?
Apparently the OP and others allow themselves to be controlled by popular trends or PC. Thus the popularity of censorship. They fear what they hear because they are so vulnerable to persuasion.
The Question just fits in the trend of fake news. It's a non issue, there are more important things to worry about then someone wishing you a merry Christmas or a happy holidays. just white noise.
Totally agree, and this was not an issue back when I was growing up...why is this an issue now? Who is driving this? When you find out, you realize what the big picture is.
Hi Jack. Exactly. How a simple greeting has been turned into a "political or religious statement" is interesting.
And for those who are supposedly "offended," I say get over it and grow up.
As for those driving this, yes, very interesting.
So true, why is it Christian's are the ones expected to give up their own holiday? Crazy people who believe that will ever happen. So many on the left too, makes you ask yourself if there are no Christian's there anymore.
No one is asking you to give up Christmas---just to stop acting like you're not the only people on the planet, and your is the only religious celebration occurring in December. The world does not revolve around you and your religion.
Not at all, nothing against other religions celebrating & I would never in a millions years request they use different words than is their norm! None of us want anything revolving around us we just want what is ours as others have theirs!
I think the question is how you address non-Christian people. I have no problem saying "MERRY CHRISTMAS" to someone I know is Christian, but it's awfully awkward to say it to someone you know isn't Christian In fact, it can just be plain obnoxious.
Christmas is first of all based on ancient pagan celebrations not Christianity. Shocker, right? Secondly, there are hundreds of other holidays in the month of December, so sadly, Christmas isn't the only one.
Agreed - I'm not Christian but my family celebrates Christmas every year. Christmas has morphed into being something larger than just a Christian holiday.
Excuse me? No one has been asked to moderate their holiday or the way they celebrate it.
That is not what's happening...you need to look at the ACLU and other humanist organizations. They are actively using the courts to remove Christ from the public square. I know of few people Christians and others alike that are offended by the MXAS.
Jack, you are outraged about the removal of Christ from the public square but have no concern for the dead black men and women who are laying dead in the street after being executed by miscreant cops. I see U do not recognize the image of God.
If groups want to practice and demonstrate their religion on their private properties, good for them, but the public square is public, where the business of the temporal world takes place. It is not a place for the marketing any religion.
Daniel, what does establishment of a religion mean to you? Why is Christmas a National Holiday? Who is being honored? Why are some offended? Even when not in public square. The same can be said about Thansgiving. Who are we thanking?
Celebrate all you want, but others have a right, too, to not have it constantly shoved in their faces, particularly in common spaces. Consider the Amish in their quiet devotion to a Christian lifestyle. Consider Jesus' own penchant for solitude.
daniel, you didn't answer the questions... why are people avoiding the obvious? what changed since the 1970s?
I'm with you. My Irish Godmother would agree as well.
That is true and it does not offend Christians for anyone to say Happy Holidays as long as we are not shushed for the Merry Christmas this is the birth of Jesus celebration! Because it is, if others are having holidays too, that is fine.
Thanks for explaining that James. Tho I am not Catholic I suppose you could also call it a mass for Christ? His wonderful birthday regardless if we have exact day or not, just hopefully all of us will stop B thankful 4 what that birthday means!
It certainly sound like a Merry Christmas...hope it is one!
I hope it lasts and that it is real...it is so great. Merry Christmas to you, thank you!
That "new freedom" is White Nationalism. I wouldn't be too happy about it if I were you. It's a step backwards.
Why weren't you free to say Merry Christmas before? Who would have stopped you before? You have just decided it's okay now, whether it's being rude to others or not. You were always free to say "Merry Christmas", even in July!
I have always been free to say it but the new President will make it more open & remind everyone this country was built on Christianity for those who have forgotten & like it or not it made us a great nation until little anti-Christs moved in
Do you really think the new President is a Christian? He doesn't seem all that religious to me and certainly doesn't lead the life of selflessness that Jesus preached about. It's always been fine to say, "Merry Christmas".
The country is built on freedom of and from religion. It's in the Constitution.
Right, please tell that to the ACLU...
PC is a derogatory term for people who don't think the world is all about them. Being inclusive is nothing to be ashamed of. You should try it.
Christmas is inclusive Lisa - it's gone far beyond any religion - in fact, many people who aren't Christian enjoy it as a time to share gifts and fellowship with their families and fellow citizens.