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Fact or Fiction: Forrest Fenn and his Treasure

Updated on October 14, 2013

For those unfamiliar with the story, an eccentric octogenarian man living in New Mexico by the name of Forrest Fenn has hidden a chest filled with "millions of dollars" worth of treasure in the hopes of encouraging people to go outside and explore nature. He wrote a memoir entitled "Thrill of the Chase" and included with it a poem which gives clues to the location of the treasure and the right to take possession of it to anyone that can find it. The chest was supposedly hidden in 2010 and people have been searching for it ever since. In early 2013 it received increased publicity and Forrest even appeared on the Today show promoting the search and giving out additional clues. The chest has not been found, nor will it ever be found, for the following reasons.

The supposed actual chest and actual contents.
The supposed actual chest and actual contents.

Too Many Contradictions by Forrest Himself

Forrest Fenn has come out and said that although he has not revisited the spot where he placed it 3 years ago he is certain that people have searched within 500 feet of it based on emails he has received. He also says that people have figured out the first two clues and went right past the treasure and didn't know it. What?!?! A football field is 300 feet. He's basically saying that people have been a little over a football field away from it and/or walked right past it and didn't find it. How is that even possible? Anyone that is that accurate in deciphering the clues would probably do more diligence in the area than to walk right by it or not investigate the area. These people are there specifically to find the treasure. Random hikers in the middle of nowhere find dead bodies all the time. You're telling me all these treasure hunters are wandering almost within a football field of the treasure and can't find it? Please.

Then to add insult to injury, he goes on to say that he wants to be remembered in a 100 or even 1,000 years when the treasure is found, so he left his 20,000 word autobiography in the chest (point of interest: this article is 3,000 words which means he summed up his entire life with stunning efficiency). Does he even comprehend how long 100 years is, let alone 1,000? A thousand years ago we were still 500 years away from realizing the Earth wasn't flat and that the earth revolved around the sun! This man honestly believes that in a world populated by 6,000,000,000 people, some of whom have apparently been 500 feet away from his treasure, it is going to take 100 or even 1,000 years to find this thing? It's only been buried or hidden for 3 years! The learning curve of "closeness" has whittled the location down to within 500 feet in only 3 years. The square footage of the Earth itself is 5,502,532,127,000,000 feet and we have narrowed it down by 99.99999999999999%. Man, that last quadrillion of a percent sure must be a doozy. The contradictory statements he is making suggests either it will be found soon, if it exists, or he is making it all up.

It should also be pointed out, for the record, that he has fantasized about having his bones buried near or put into the chest after his demise. Let's just forget for the time being that he is going to have to tell someone where to a.) carry a bag of human remains, b.) bury it alongside priceless valuables, and c.) not take the treasure themselves. We apparently are now living in a world where we are reverse grave robbing, i.e. adding bones to priceless valuables rather than taking priceless valuables from bones. He also expressed dismay that a Google search for his father only resulted in a single entry. This guy really really really wants to be remembered. Let's keep that in mind throughout the rest of this article.

So I'm supposed to add his remains, not take this big ass chest of gold right?
So I'm supposed to add his remains, not take this big ass chest of gold right?

But wait, we can't quite leave the contradictory department just yet. As you will see in the next section the poem and clues are extremely vague in the sense that they can apparently get you almost within a football field but no closer. He has said the clues are difficult enough that it won't get found right away but easy enough so that it is not impossible. So somehow he has crafted a riddle so ingenious that people are walking by it but not finding it and it could remain there for 100's or even 1,000's of years. By that time no one will remember anything about the poem and the person who finds it will have had to stumble upon it because I can guarantee you no one is going to be trying to decipher his poem, let alone even know about its existence, 100 years from now. So that basically means either someone will find it before everyone has forgotten about Forrest Fenn or it will never be found. There is no in-between. I reference the previous point that random hikers find criminal evidence and dead bodies all the time in some of the most remote places on Earth. The planet has become a lot smaller in the past few decades.

Maybe the Earth is flat and the treasure fell off the side.
Maybe the Earth is flat and the treasure fell off the side.

The Clues are Ridiculously Vague

For those of you unfamiliar with the poem and clues here you go:

As I have gone alone in there
And with my treasures bold,
I can keep my secret where,
And hint of riches new and old.

Begin it where warm waters halt
And take it in the canyon down,
Not far, but too far to walk.
Put in below the home of Brown.

From there it's no place for the meek,
The end is ever drawing nigh;
There'll be no paddle up your creek,
Just heavy loads and water high.

If you've been wise and found the blaze,
Look quickly down, your quest to cease,
But tarry scant with marvel gaze,
Just take the chest and go in peace.

So why is it that I must go
And leave my trove for all to seek?
The answer I already know,
I've done it tired, and now I'm weak.

So hear me all and listen good,
Your effort will be worth the cold.
If you are brave and in the wood
I give you title to the gold.

He has since given additional clues, including, the treasure is North of Santa Fe in the Rocky Mountains, it is not in Nevada, it is at least 300 miles west of Toledo, it is above 5,000 feet, and it is not associated with any structure.

Forrest has repeatedly said that you do not need a copy of his memoir to decipher the poem and that you merely need the poem itself. Assuming his statements to be true, let's just put aside the fact that some of the brightest minds on the planet work tirelessly to solve mathematical proofs, codes, and historical mysteries for fun. If they could do it and be rewarded with free money in the neighborhood of millions of dollars they would all be switching careers until the money was found. But we are going to ignore that for now and focus on the clues.

The poem is 24 lines long and Forrest has said that it contains 9 clues, although he has not specifically stated which parts are clues and which aren't. In addition he has said that you do not need a map to solve it and that the clues need to be followed in order, which I found particularly hilarious. So basically you don't need a map, the answer is contained in the 24 lines, they need to be followed in order but no one has found it in 3 years. When you examine the poem it is easy to figure out why.

Although people have analyzed the hell out of this thing the first stanza, IN MY OPINION (please do not comment at the bottom that you have it figured out and I am wrong. If I am so wrong just go get the treasure so we can all praise your genius and get on with our lives), is a throw away stanza. It does not offer any serious concrete clues on where to start although it could affirm your starting location, as we will see shortly. The first real clue, then, is the line "Begin it where warm waters halt." Wow, that's not vague or anything. People have had guesses on this anywhere from the confluence of waters at the continental divide to a toilet. Seriously, a toilet! Because, you know, that warm urine certainly halts when it hits the cool calm waters of your commode. So, basically we have narrowed it down to every toilet, river, glacier, ice pack, tributary, creek, brook, warehouse, farmhouse, outhouse, henhouse, and doghouse (I got that last part from The Fugutive) above 5,000 feet, north of Santa Fe in the Rocky Mountains and not in Nevada. The implications are comical. You might as well say you hid your treasure that is comprised of a needle in a stack of needles the size of China, not including Mongolia.

I think its that one.
I think its that one.

But let's have some fun with this shall we? Before I realized this was all a hoax I actually racked my brain trying to come up with the answer. Being a highly intelligent individual I was sure I could figure out what the rest of the people couldn't. All I needed to do was use my wits and soon I would be swimming in free gold. So I read a bunch of theories and came up with my own and here it is...

There were a million interpretations for the phrase "home of Brown," including, you guessed it, a toilet! It seems that no matter how civilized our species gets poop will always be on our minds. One interpretation intrigued me and that was Brown trout. Forrest Fenn is a huge fan of the wilderness and a case could be made that he was referring to fish rather than a specific person or family. So I read some articles about Brown trout fishing in New Mexico and I learned that there is a river called Rio Vallecitos which has a bunch of Brown trout in it. It is fed by a creek called Placer Creek, which dries up during the summer near its northern most point. This happens above Hopewell Lake, which is dammed. And oh my God, did you know that Brown University was inspired by a school called Hopewell Academy?!?!

Placer Creek flows into and out of Hopewell Lake.
Placer Creek flows into and out of Hopewell Lake.

I'm so close to the treasure already I can feel it. What do we have so far? We have a place where warm waters halt, which is the northern part of Placer Creek which dries up in the summer, e.g. halts. Did you also know that placer is a term used to describe gold deposits and that in the 1880's Placer Creek got its name from the 10,000 ounces of placer gold that were found there? That must certainly be referring to "riches new and old." Placer Creek continues past the dam in Hopewell Lake through a canyon, just like the poem: "take it in the canyon down." And this is where the Brown trout are which obviously is the home of Brown! I ignored the part where it said "too far to walk" because to me walking across my living room sometimes is too far. So I threw that line out because obviously it didn't fit into my interpretation.

So where do we go from here? I'm glad you asked. Placer Creek flows South and although it is not filled with rapids or anything crazy it has small waterfalls and drop-offs which obviously make it impossible to canoe or kayak back up, which aligns with the phrase "there'll be no paddle up your creek." And the fact that I'm talking about Placer CREEK, not a river, seems to fit perfectly. So about 2 miles south of Hopewell Lake, Placer Creek merges with Rio Vallecitos and then heads East. I conveniently ignored the next line about heavy loads and water high because you know, this location is almost at 10,000 feet above sea level so the altitude alone satisfies the elevation part. And with respect to the heavy loads I'm sure it just has something to do with poop again. So I'm on to the next line.

That's Placer Creek flowing south of Hopewell Lake.
That's Placer Creek flowing south of Hopewell Lake.

It says "If you've been wise and found the blaze." Well, we already know I'm wise because I've made it this for but how do I find a blaze? Typically a blaze is a notch, or series of notches, in trees in order to show a direction or path to follow. And I don't have to use a map according to Forrest so I somehow need to find what he is talking about without using a map. Too bad, I'm using one anyway. I stare at my map and well, what do you know? Look at what I found less than a mile East of my current location...

What is that peak over there to the East?
What is that peak over there to the East?
Burned Mountain!
Burned Mountain!

OMG! It's Burned Mountain. A blaze can be anything and in my mind a blaze is a mountain freaking named after one! So I just need to go to the top of Burned Mountain because the next line is "Look quickly down, your quest to cease." This is where I have to stop obviously. But I know all I need to do is get to the top of Burned Mountain and look down and all my money problems are solved. Let's ignore the fact that there is a very small lake called Turkey Lake near the summit. Surely this couldn't be a joke. I ain't no turkey! I just need to get in my car and drive on over there. But alas, I won't, and here is why...

This is just ONE interpretation. The mental gymnastics I have to use to make this location fit into the poem is absurd. And for every location such as this one there are a million other possibilities that also "fit" the poem. You can interpret it to mean it is near Hebgen Lake near Yellowstone because Forrest spent a ton of time there and loved that place. It could be Two Ocean Pass where Atlantic Creek and Pacific Creek converge. The "warm waters" of the Pacific halt where it meets the cool waters of the Atlantic. It could be near the Molly Brown Museum in Colorado. The home of Brown could just be plain old Colorado because it has the word "color" in the name of the state. Look people, this poem is purposefully vague for the exact reason it exists...

The Treasure's Existence Defeats Its Purpose

The poem exists for two very distinct and specific reasons. The first is that Forrest wants to encourage people to get out of their houses and explore nature, especially children. This is a noble cause and one which I would support and encourage if not for the fact that it is used as a subterfuge for reason number two: Forrest Fenn desperately wants notoriety, recognition, and fame. Think about it rationally (this means all you mindless believers can skip to the comment section now). If his goal is to encourage people to explore and experience nature then the actual existence of the treasure defeats the purpose. How is his goal furthered once it is found? Is he going to bury another treasure and give a new poem? The simple answer is no.

Think about it even further. Are we really to believe that some random guy from New Mexico came up with the most ingenious poem ever conceived that is going to encourage people to explore and hunt for some random treasure for hundreds of years? It is so ingenious in it's composition that it can get people within 500 feet but no further and this will remain the status quo for eons? Really? What is the more plausible answer? The plausible answer is that regardless of whether or not he wants people to explore the great outdoors he wants recognition. Why give out extra clues on national television if, as he has stated, you only need the poem to find it? Why include your autobiography with your treasure if your intentions are truly altruistic. Why say you want your bones buried with it? Why mention you were dismayed that your father only had one Google entry? Who cares?! I'll tell you who cares, Forrest Fenn cares. If this man was truly driven by the desire to encourage people to get out of the house he would write an epic poem describing the locations of thousands of small treasure that actually existed, not make up a story about a huge one whose actual existence negates his entire premise.

Someone has already come up with an altruistic way to encourage people to get outdoors, it's called geocaching and you can even do it on your phone.

And the extra clues are just ridiculous. Saying it does not involve a structure. That absolutely goes along with the "get out of the house" reasoning. Worrying about man-made structures is exactly what he doesn't want people to do. And just one more point. He says that it is at least 300 miles West of Toledo but that it is also in the Rocky Mountains. Whah? If he's talking about Toledo, Washington or Toledo, Oregon then it is either in the Pacific Ocean or in the Cascade Mountains, not the Rockies. If he is talking about Toledo, Ohio why even bother with that clue? The closest mountain in the Rockies is over 1,000 miles West of Toledo. And saying North of Santa Fe when the Rockies do not even extend that far South? The stuff he is coming up with is just nonsense that is used to keep his story current, which all ties into his desire for notoriety.

In conclusion, does the treasure exist? Yes. Is it anywhere that the poem will lead you to? Possibly if it points to his house, a bank, a safe deposit box, or possibly his toilet. Is it out there in the wilderness just waiting for someone to crack the most ingenious poem in the history of mankind? No.

P.S. I am well aware that there are people that are in communication with Forrest via email or know him personally. I know there are plenty of people that believe the treasure is out there somewhere. You are free to believe whatever you want. I have simply given my personal opinion and interpretation. I could absolutely be mistaken and if I am I would be happy to admit it at such time that the treasure is found. I am not suggesting that you or anyone else should believe anything I have discussed, so please avoid the flames in the comment section about how you know it exists or how I am wrong or whatever. Happy hunting... suckers.


Update: 10/14/2013

A treasure hunter named Paul Norman believed he had solved it and embarked on an epic quest. He wrote his experience down in a poem of his own. It is fun light reading with pictures about his journey. Unfortunately, he did not find the treasure but his story is quite interesting. And the physical challenges he endured for his age are inspiring. You can find his poem here:

https://www.createspace.com/pub/community/give.review.do?id=1130909&rewrite=true

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      The Wolf 3 years ago

      Do you feel better now?

      The Wolf

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I put quite a bit of effort into writing this. So yeah I feel pretty good. Just because you don't agree with my conclusion doesn't mean I'm not entitled to it.

      The Platypus

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      The Wolf 3 years ago

      Sorry, where does it say I didn't agree?

      The Wolf

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      Morrs Quinacluck 3 years ago

      Hey, where is the darn comments section?

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I think you found it.

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      Morrs again 3 years ago

      hmmm, really? Where? I'm not seeing it. Is it hidden?

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      argus33 3 years ago

      Pretty clever! Your thesis will probably prevent hundreds of potential treasure finders from even trying! Thank you. You have increased my chances of finding it by writing this. Increased your chances too. Salute!

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      Mr Quester 3 years ago

      You may be right about it being a hoax, or you may be wrong, but get your facts straight:

      1)- When F.F. "clued" that the treasure was more than 300 miles from Toledo, he was answering a woman from Ohio, telling her that she was far away from the treasure, perhaps intimating that it would be more than a day trip for her.

      2)- Wikipedia states, and my school teachers taught us so decades ago that; "The Rocky Mountains are commonly defined as stretching from the Liard River in British Columbia south to the Rio Grande in New Mexico."

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      drquantum 3 years ago

      You should give Fenn more credit. Re read his book. It may be over your head but if you think hard enough, you will see a lot of work went into it. If you think he is foolish I am certain he his laughing with glee at you. I have taught college physics for a long time and I have rarely seen such genius.

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      Brett,

      You leave out many facts that could support your theory. The 2009 FBI/BLM bust that probably started this whole thing. Revenge is the real motivator behind the plot. In the book there are things that are blatant lies... start with page 14, where fiction need be only 85% correct per FF, then what is Hemingway's book "For Whom the Bell Tolls" really about, then who really wrote the epitaph on the French grave marker, who really wrote the poem "Courage wears a Crimson Coat", ( What did Evetts Haley write? ) then find me where F-100D's ever carried 37mm rockets, burying bells...what's that really mean...& the list goes on. Look at the pictures of Fenn.... rooms with library's with books floor to ceiling, an author of 9 books now....do you really think he throws them away as he states in "Thrill of the Chase"? The Mormon connection in the poem and how someone with "gold plates" can start a religion and create a cult of believers... Fenn is just following a proven path and his cult grows by the day.

      I give you kudo's for being a naysayer. The book is an anti-government rant if you get that far in it's understanding but then you would have to read his dear friend, Evetts Haley's book about LBJ. Fenn's last book about the Pueblo is actual "evidence" in the ongoing Cerberus Action investigation where there have been three suicides already. This book would make anybody taking it to court look like a fool...as it's fiction pure and simple. In a sense it's a smart way for an 80 year old warrior to fight back. Your off to a good start and seem to know when your chain is being jerked. edwinwlynch@gmail.com

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      That's a lot more about him than even I cared to invest my time in finding out. Thanks for the additional info. I posted a link to my article on a rabidly blind pro-Fenn blog and received a ton of bashing. Of course, rather than make any attempt to refute my points or explain why him being a fraud is not the only rational explanation they just hurled insults. That's always a great defense for believing in something. Thanks for the read.

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      All the pro-Fenn believers have is his "Thrill" book to go on. They all have "faith" that he's telling the truth, even through most have never met the man, spoke with him or even know much about him. It's a treasure cult more than anything and gold has been known to glaze the eyes over and disengage the brain. He's a piece of work for sure, but I think there is a method behind his madness. In his defense, when he comes right out and tells you the book is only 85% correct, it's embellished, that he just makes stuff up and then writes things in the book that are just blatant non-truths....it says more about the people out there that read Fenn then it does him. Your not really a fraud when your up front, in your face, saying it's 15% BS, just not going out of your way pointing out what exact 15%. He's saying that these are the same people that vote for the people that don't bother to read the bills they pass... Dumb & Dumber ! It's why this country is where it is today, the inmates have taken over the asylum. It's why we have some of the laws we have that have affected him and others that are now dead. One of my favorite basher bases his faith on the amount of "likes" Fenn has on ToC Facebook...the new normal.... I really think the Kool-aid has been genetically altered and affects more people than it used to. Perhaps that person that was always told they wouldn't amount to shit will get ate by a grizzly bear when out looking for the treasure and prove them all wrong. Those last 20 yards should be one hell of a "Thrill of the Chase"

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      Drquantum 3 years ago

      I will try to refute you without being insulting. Try reading the book again with an open mind. Yes you are right. All the postmarks are wrong, and it did not rain two days in a row the year of JD Salinger's death and there are many more "facts" which are clearly wrong. Such as Olga Svoboda did not die in 1983 like the postage stamp suggests. I think that is exactly the point of the book. I was recently hired to hunt down a cyber fraud group out of the Ukraine. I have done a lot of this type of work in the past. I can tell you that was much easier than hunting down the meaning of TOTC. I believe Fenn constructed a labyrinth of lies extremely complex that point to truth, when pieced together, tell a love story about his wife and the need to help others. The guy donated a lot of money to some interesting and caring causes. Deep research on the net will expose that from the sources. In the book almost everything is wrong but if you correct the date or the reference, then wow the picture changes. The time magazine reference was the first one that hit me. What it told me was a very different story than what it appears on the surface. Http://drquantum.blogspot.com is a month worth of blogging about my research regarding Fenn. It is a discussion on his financial donations to plausible explanations on how he knows the treasure is still there and everything in the middle. If you don't believe then ok. No sweat off my back. But the guy is not all bad.

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      Chris Yates 3 years ago

      You got some information wrong in your article.

      "He also says that people have figured out the first two clues and went right past the treasure and didn't know it"

      the first part is right but he didn't say they went past the treasure, or anything about them being close to the chest. Obviously that's a critical difference as one could infer from the erroneous statement (if Fenn had actually said it) that after just getting past the first 2 clues in the 'quest', you are already very near the chest. If you follow all of Fenn's statements you will notice he is very careful not to divulge this type of information.

      here is a link to his original statement

      http://lummifilm.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/stephan-...

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I spent a great deal of time reading the comments on Dal's site. A post on April 11th says that Forrest is getting tons of reports of people either having it or knowing where it is but that he assures everyone its still out there. My question is how does he know this if he never goes back to the spot? A camera? GPS? These things all require power sources. The more Forrest talks about it the more, in my mind, he continually contradicts himself and his intention to have it found 100's of years from now and reinforces my conclusion that he wants attention. I seem to recall him saying a while back he was not going to be giving out any more clues or talking about it as much. He hasn't done that. The mere mention that its still out there is a clue if looked at literally. I'll admit his game provided me with many hours of entertainment but at this point I cannot rationally believe that the treasure is out there to be found. I hope I'm wrong and someone finds it though. That would be cool

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      drquantum 3 years ago

      Brett, I don't know for sure it exists. I think it does though. I made that decision from financial information I extracted from legal documents I found and not what Fenn said... That is another long story, but here is how I explain he knows it is still out there. 1) Based on publication date of the book from the CLEARLY incorrect dates in his book, I believe I know within a week from when he placed the treasure in the woods. He actually gives "subtle" hints to this information. But you can also research when the book was published and first offered to the public to back into that data within a few months. 2) There are locations that have controlled access at certain times of the year. That would mean if he knew it was not found as of Feb when he started talking to NBC then it may be still there. 3) He may have located it somewhere in deep water. In 2010 there was a draught in certain parts of the country that meet his criteria. There was draught relief and other water management processes that changed some river and lake levels (increasing them substantially). It may require another draught before the object could be found. 4) If you look at the pictures on the net of the treasure box, one picture contains a key and the box is open. In all the other pictures the box is closed and the key is missing. Fenn stated he would be willing to pay to get the bracelet back. He also stated there is something in the Burma Roads Flight Jacket pocket but won't say what it is. I think it is the key. Before this went viral I think he felt that was sufficient to ensure he would learn of the box being found. 5) April 15th is a common date on restriction for camping and hiking parks in many parks. Notice the last time he said something about it was April 11th. I do not think you will hear anything from him about this again until after November of this year.

      If you care to search (which I don't blame you if you don't) How many 1150AD bronze boxes are in Museums? Perhaps there is inventory of these objects? What is the likelihood one of these boxes could be sold to a private collector without a paperwork trail?

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I appreciate the rational and well-thought-out points. Its much more fun to debate something when people don't attack you simply because you may not agree with them. Everything you say is plausible to me. And like I said, I'd love for it to be out there and would love even more to be the person to find it. I enjoyed the people that discussed their ideas and where they've searched rather than keeping everything to themselves due to some notion that they're the ones that know the location or something like that. If its submerged in water in my opinion that makes locating it as close to impossible as you can get. I guarantee you he won't be alive to buy his bracelet back when someone finds it or there is another drought necessary to expose it.

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      Big Lucky 3 years ago

      The description of your "chase" was very funny! Was the rest of the piece designed to provoke an emotional response from other chasers or do you really believe that the "contradictions" you outline, vague clues and questionable motives preclude there really being a treasure? If your position is the latter, then I don't think your piece is very convincing. First, the items you list as being contradictory are not contradictions at all. The claim that searchers have been close to the treasure is not logically incompatible with the fact that no one has found it. You are right, searching a football size area is not too difficult but only if you know where that area is located. FF has received thousands of emails from people searching over a vast area. You illogically conclude that the the search area has been substantially narrowed by the claim that someone was relatively close to it--but unless you know who it was and where they were, this piece of info is useless except to FF who maybe revising his expectations on when it might be found (sooner rather than later). Your second point about the vagueness of the poem is well taken but there is nothing about its vagueness that suggests that the treasure doesn't exist. Your next point is that this treasure hunt defeats its "purpose" to get people outdoors. Given the fact that hundreds of searches that have taken place and many more will follow suggests he has succeeded quite well. For me, hearing about this treasure a couple of months ago was the catalyst for me to plan a trip to Yellowstone later this summer. That's something that I've wanted to do for 35 years. FF challenge has reminded me that I may be growing old but I'm not down. I'll go even if the treasure is found today. The rest of your opinion about FF's motives are just that-- opinions but do nothing to advance your argument that the treasure doesn't exist. If you assume that there isn't a treasure and that his one and only motive is to get attention, then you have to conclude that he wants his legacy to be one of a liar and a fake. That's not a likely goal of a man who has lived an extraordinary life. Does he want to be forgotten? Probably not. As my Grandmother always said, you are not truly dead until you are forgotten. When you get a little older or closer to your end of the road I think you will understand this a little better. You've put a lot of thought into your piece and have a good brain. You might use it to rethink the poem a few times, follow your leads, and who knows, you might surprise yourself and find it......

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      I received an e- mail from Forrest himself about the key. He said the chest was unlocked and the key was inside. He noted that he's worried about the redneck that finds the chest,damaging it trying to get it open.

      In the book he describes finding the "perfect" treasure chest. The perfect chest has a lock which he is not using? I find that odd given that he's stated in interviews that he is ambivalent about anyone finding it. Just another FF contradiction in that he does not care if it's found, but if it is, he does not want the box damaged. Leaving a treasure chest unsecured for a 100, a 1,000 or even 10,000 years does not seem to be a prudent thing to do.

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      Babylon Slim 3 years ago

      You are as possessed as those you say are believers. Why don't you just go away? Get a life? Play video games? Instead you create your own site where you can rule on a subject that you think is a hoax. Very curious young person.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      How am I "ruling" on the subject? I have not rejected any comments whether I agreed with them or not. I have an opinion on a subject and I posted it to a place where I have posted other satirical articles. I'm not sure why I shouldn't have written about it. I guess before I write an opinion article I should take a straw poll first or get permission from others. Did you grow up in North Korea or something? And um, I'm 40 years old. I guess that's young to certain people.

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      Drquantum 3 years ago

      North Korea LMAO. Love it Brett - funny. Plasma thanks for the info on the key. Yea Brett, I am with you, there is a lot of oddity to Fenn's book and poem but I leaning towards real and give the guy some credit for getting people outdoors. Interesting to me how passionate people can get on such a silly topic.... Kinda how I see the debate on evolution versus creationism... A lot of arguing on two valid world views neither fully explored or fully correct. Keep blogging Brett!

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      If the chest is unlocked with key inside it would surely limit where and how it could be hidden. Furthermore , the chest has a wood liner which if hidden in water would decay and damage the chest which seems to be something Fenn wants to keep in good shape. Also, if hidden in water which has a tendency to move along with whatever is in it ( think Japan tsunami ) if the chest should tip over the contents could spill out and be lost. A rogue playful bear could even find it, open it and there goes the contents. Wind, floods, fires, erosion, animals could all affect the stability of the location. On the other hand, Fenn has much experience with buried objects given his archeological interests in the Southwest. Given a geologically secure location, a high & dry location, a box like his, 10x10x5 inches, could be placed in a natural hole in a canyon wall, in a small hole under a flat rock or even in an ancient cliff dwelling and be safe for thousands of years.... Possible, plausible, practical...? probable...Nah

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      Forrest is in the limelight again making statements that are NEWS. Bill Lynch I wrote the Santa Fe New Mexican for more information on what was quoted in their article. Here is what I received back today. bkrasnow@sfnewmexican.com

      4:11 PM (4 hours ago)

      to me

      Edwin.

      I am the writer and was there when he said it to the girls…Of course, I do not know if it is true, but he did say it and when he emailed me this morning he did not mention any inaccuracies in the article. If you have additional information, please let me know.

      Bruce Krasnow

      "From left, Milissa Wieland and her daughters Kailie, 4, Kambrie, 6, and Kelsie, 3, admire bells at Forrest Fenn’s home on Tuesday. He said he had the bells cast at the Shidoni Foundry and then used 17th-century clappers to make them ring. Fenn said he put some of the bells in the hidden treasure chest. Jane Phillips/The New Mexican"

      Could you please clarify for me the statement in the above caption. It says that, " Fenn said he put some of the bells in the hidden treasure chest" Is this an actual quote he made or did the writer make a mistake? His book makes no mention of bells in the chest, no other interview or his blog has ever made this statement and it seems to be a discrepancy that should be addressed. I take it that is what he said on camera and we'll see him say that tomorrow on the Today show.

      Thanks very much if you could shed some light here.

      Sincerely,

      Edwin

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Stay tuned! Next week Forrest Fenn will be talking about how he put the Mona Lisa and the Eiffel Tower in the chest.

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      From Sam Harris "Lying"

      Mental Accounting.....

      One of the greatest problems for the liar is that he must keep track of his lies. Some people are better at this than others. Psychopaths can assume this burden of mental accounting without any obvious distress. That is no accident: They are psychopaths. They do not care about others and are quite happy to sever relationships whenever the need arises. Some people are monsters of egocentricity. But there is no question that lying comes at a psychological cost for the rest of us.

      Lies beget other lies. Unlike statements of fact, which require no further work on our part, lies must be continually protected from collisions with reality. When you tell the truth, you have nothing to keep track of. The world itself becomes your memory, and if questions arise, you can always point others back to it. You can even reconsider certain facts and honestly change your views. And you can openly discuss your confusion, conflicts, and doubts with all comers. In this way, a commitment to the truth is naturally purifying of error.

      But the liar must remember what he said, and to whom, and must take care to maintain his falsehoods in the future. This can require an extraordinary amount of work—all of which comes at the expense of authentic communication and free attention. The liar must weigh each new disclosure, whatever the source, to see whether it might damage the facade that he has built. And all these stresses accrue, whether or not anyone discovers that he has been lying.

      Tell enough lies, however, and the effort required to keep your audience in the dark quickly becomes unsustainable. While you might be spared a direct accusation of dishonesty, many people will conclude, for reasons that they might be unable to pinpoint, that they cannot trust you. You will begin to seem like someone who is always dancing around the facts—because you most certainly are. Many of us have known people like this. No one ever quite confronts them, but everyone begins to treat them like creatures of fiction. Such people are often quietly shunned, for reasons they probably never understand.

      In fact, suspicion often grows on both sides of a lie: Research indicates that liars trust those they deceive less than they otherwise might—and the more damaging their lies, the less they trust, or even like, their victims. It seems that in protecting their egos, and interpreting their own behavior as justified, liars tend to deprecate the people they lie to.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Just like my mother said: "lies have short legs." :)

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      dt 3 years ago

      well for thing you started out with poor math hub author , a football field is not 300 ft it is 320 ft because the end zone is part of the field I would do more study on the poem if you got this wrong maybeeeeee?!?!?!

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      dt 3 years ago

      a lot of people say the bible contradicts itself but if you really study it don't we have to give F.F THE BENEFIT OF DOUBT, in court that's what counts beyond a shadow of doubt, no one can do that,no one.I got to say the comments are interesting but cannot discredit F.F.

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      Travis 3 years ago

      ^^dt, each end zone is 10yds (30ft) deep. An American football field is 360ft long not 320ft. I would "do more study" of football before correcting others, maybe!?

      brettmw, I enjoyed this read. Thanks for your insight.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Thank you. It was meant mostly as a satire. And nice correction on the end zone ha ha. And people typically talk about a football from end zone to end zone. At the NFL combine you don't run the 120 yard dash. You run the 100. His point is baseless.

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      dt 3 years ago

      nice catch Travis I was counting on someone to correct me,so does that make me less than truthful? no it does not since you personally don't know me you really don't know my intentions on that comment,just saying can't we give FF the benefit of doubt even if it is less than 1 percent?

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Benefit of the doubt is the assumption you have BEFORE evidence is presented. The evidence in this case is the writings and actions of FF. The benefit was lost when he acted in a way that was inconsistent with the things he was saying. You're asking people to give him the benefit of the doubt as if there was no evidence presented. There is plenty of evidence to show that he is lying, ergo, that benefit is gone.

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      dt 3 years ago

      do you really think he is lying? and are you willing to apologize if the treasure is found,if you are willing to then this blog is very much in the scope of debate.i can tell your convinced,but would you apologize I read where you posted it would be cool if someone found it so your slowly changing my mind about you. so in short this blog and yourself are not half bad sort of a good guy I suppose, that has doubts but is a dreamer also,happy hunting even if your hunting for something else.

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      dt 3 years ago

      I must have figured you wrong since you wont post my last comment you don't want the truth out, i think your out hunting yourself and this blog site gives you more odds on your side, or at least you think so

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Uh. I have to login to approve every comment. I didn't get a chance to do that until today. I don't selectively deny any comments. Why would I? Anyway, your comments have been approved. And saying I think it would be cool if the treasure was real is basically saying it would be cool if Santa Claus was real too. Its just wishful thinking. I do not believe it is out there and if it is I will personally apologize to the man for ever doubting something that he continually makes almost impossible to believe. Yes, I really think he is lying.

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      plasmalupus 3 years ago

      IMHO, Fenn technically is not lying when he plainly states on page 14 that the book is 15% fiction. A true memoir is defined as non-fiction, it's supposed to be the truth. There is nothing that clarifies what is or is not fiction in Fenn's book although there are many things that are just blatantly untrue and can be proven to be so. He leaves it for the reader to decide... If somebody reads fiction and believes it to be true, it it the fault of the writer or the reader? If one reads "Harry Potter" and then goes looking for a manic wand, no rational person would blame the books author. I'm beginning to think that part of what Fenn is doing here intentionally or not, is just showing us how poor reading comprehension is in America....perhaps that's why our legislators feel it's OK to pass bills without reading them....

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Nice post plasmalupus. In the words of Nancy Pilosi: "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." Sounds like a great way to run the country. Ladies and gentleman: Obamacare.

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      Big Lucky 3 years ago

      brettmw & plasmalupus:

      Now you have really lost me--attempting to shore up your position with a reference to Obamacare? That's just silly. The satirical part of your piece was amusing however the cynicism and hostility you feel compelled to express does nothing except to undermine your own credibility. It is troubling to observe your eagerness to call Fenn a liar on such scanty reasoning. In the final analysis I find that your willingness to make such a harsh, unsubstantiated slur to be a reflection more on your character than his.

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      dt 3 years ago

      big lucky, I double that besides how can you call someone who you don't know a liar it is reasonable that you can't. email forrest brettmw and tell him that,i bet he would still have kind words, even after you dragging his name through the mud. he is a pretty good MAN

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      Jereboa 3 years ago

      ...sounds like you are seeking some level of notariety yourself my friend...or just lots of extra time on your hands?

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      This article has been accessed 1,567 times. If I was looking for notoriety I would write articles about something that appeals to a much larger audience. This is a forum for me to post things when I feel inspired to write. Not sure why there has to be an ulterior motive for someone that is simply trying to post an opinion and maybe get a laugh in the process. Maybe you're looking for notoriety by commenting or maybe you have too much time on your hands.

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      Chris Yates 3 years ago

      i have to retract a comment i made on here over a month ago

      FF has indeed stated that searchers got the first 2 clues right, said they didn't realize they were so close and went right past the chest

      i am grateful that FF in fact made these comments because it allowed me to realize i had the correct starting point of the poem but i was going way off after that.

      after the necessary corrections, i will be going in about 3 weeks to get the chest, and soon i will be filthy rich .... yeeeeee haw !!

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Rotfl. Awesome. Can't wait to see you on tv.

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      dt 3 years ago

      MR. Yates before you take off you might want to e mail me I bet I can save you some money, pidmt@comcast.net

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      Tom Gregory 3 years ago

      Brett,

      You are a very critical thinker, it shows in your writing. Your satire is deep and wide with few words, Cudos ! However, you are much to distrusting, so lighten up and have some fun with this Blog for a change. Oh yes you will laugh when you see this: http://nmtreasure.com/

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Thanks for the compliments Tom. You're right, that website it freaking hilarious! And to think I gave away my solution (which is obviously the right one) away for free. I could have been charging people for it! Rotfl. Too funny. I am typically extremely trusting to a fault. But this situation just sets off way too many red flags for me. I will try to take your advice, however. My other articles are much less serious and more humorous if you care to read some more of my work, and I hope you do.

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      Bruce Quinn 3 years ago

      Don't have the timeor money to chase this one, but was intrigued by the poem. Mention of "in and down" the canyon, and a few other phrases, along with knowledge that the trove is N or SantaFe led me Volcanoes, Capulin Volcano in particular. You "put in" just below the big brown Parks sign, then begin where The Lava flow (warm waters) halts where Volcano Road begins. The road is ever decreasing around the volcano until you get to an "unmanned" parking lot at the top of the vollcano. Then a path leads down the V to a "blaze" in the middle. There are also clues that look like they have to do with an old time water windmill nearby that uses "paddles". The heavy load might have to do with "lifting" water. Also phrases like drawing...heavy loads are used related to pumping water. Intriguing is would he give up completecontol of the site, and maybe it would be ironic that it is located in a National Park. But more probable that it might be on a piece of property he owns.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      4 week ago Chris Yates commented that in 3 weeks he was heading out and was positive he was going to find it. I haven't seen him in the news yet and he is now a week late in delivering on his promise. I feel gypped.

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      Alissa Renee 3 years ago

      brettmw, Why would he be in the news? If he's smart he wouldn't be anywhere near the news. If he's smart he would take a few things he likes then give it back to Mr. Fenn to rehide or give it to the Smithsonian.who in their right mind would wanna go to the News???

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      FennFatale 3 years ago

      Thanks! I was laughing so hard, I had to keep taking off my glasses to wipe the tear's.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Awesome!

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      Isa 3 years ago

      Brett; you should write more often. I have been going through some very hard times, and your article has made me laugh so hard!

      But, tell the truth...did you go out there and tried to find it? I can just visualize your anger,frustration and language,while you were out there; if by chance you were; because you definitely put a lot of work into this. I have had more fun reading your comments, and visualizing what a "moron" I must be,going through all the clues,and looking at all the maps. My findings are totally different than yours;but goes to show you that his poem has gotten quite a few people, dreaming and laughing. Thank you for the good time!

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      Travis Brown 3 years ago

      See my name. Remember it. For you will see me with the treasure in less than two weeks of this post.its there.... this is no hoax. If your wise and found the blaze. Its pretty clever. How he chose this paticular blaze and why. Mark my words as sure as you read them today you will soon see me with that treasure. I will go public with it....

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Isa: Thank you so much for the compliments. I never actually looked for the treasure physically. I decided it was fake before I went looking. But it was a fun exercise trying to figure it out so I guess at least Forrest entertained me for about a week. I have written several other articles on here which I feel are much more humorous than this one. Hopefully you have had the chance to read them. You can find them on my profile page. Again, thank you for the kind words. Hope things start looking up for you! :)

      Travis: Awesome. I wish you the best of luck and can't wait to see you on tv! I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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      frankieonwheels 3 years ago

      how many people when your kids had a book about bears that's all I'm going to ask you or tell you guys

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      frankieonwheels 3 years ago

      I'm thinking that the treasure somewhere along with bear live Mr Brown is a bear not too far down the hill to walk where a bear feeds were still water since where the Sun is blazing on you somewhere favorite to him that he's been

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Then hurry and go get the treasure!

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      dlkutac 3 years ago

      Actually, the Tom Gregory who posted above is associated with the http://nmtreasure.com/ site he was referring to in his post. He is also associated with the you tube account whirlwindhorse@gmail.com which put up an interesting "clue" video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlBF3McW8n4. I was surprised to find the video is quite good and contains a riddle of some kind which I have not figured out yet. (I am not associated with these people. I'm simply commenting on the video which I found from a referral on your blog.)

      Brett. I enjoyed reading your perspective on the treasure, or lack thereof.

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      Liviu 3 years ago

      Change the population from over 6,000,000 people,

      to over 6,ooo,000,000

      Cheers.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Done. Thanks for the heads up.

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      Sean Wilson 3 years ago

      I love this article. My feeling is mutual to a higher degree. I looked for Kitt William's Masquerade in the late 70's and had great communication with the author and clues that were so defined there was no question as to definition of right or wrong.. Forrest is not on the same caliber and his clues promote more of his own life than offer a true competition of problem solving. The other difference is that by knowing that the treasure is out west, it excludes many father and sons that were able to compete on Masquerade and write the author without the huge expense of a trip. I also think Forrest's goal of getting people out to explore is probably trumped by the number of people that are doing the opposite and sitting in front of google earth to figure out some ambiguous language that could be applied to any site. Forrest does not impress me and his writing seems to promote more of a large ego to be remembered than a true treasure hunt.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Completely agree Sean and thank you for the comment.

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      Paul elkart 3 years ago

      If you have not read the book ( the trail of disgrace) I would highly advise it. It is a story of the search for Forrest Fenn's treasure and a most suprising descovery. Find out what a Colorado treasure hunter uncovered while hunting the treasure. Easy to read hard to deny

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Awesome. I will look into it.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      I too am leaning towards the possibility of a hoax.

      But from different logic.

      Here is a man, in his last two books, have tons of pictures from all his adventures. One could say when he goes out he grabs three things: his tacklebox, lunch and his camera.

      So why, after years of putting things in the chest and plotting this quest DID HE NOT TAKE ANY PICTURES OF IT!

      From what I gather from his personality it's not like him not to take a picture.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Good point. And also he keeps giving more clues. And like that book that Paul recommended the guy went to Utah and was sure he found the place and Forrest came out and said in his next clue that it wasn't in Utah. If people have been within 500 feet of this thing why does he even need to keep giving out clues? Everything he does is contradictory. The dude just wants attention. Plain and simple.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      Well we all want attention, but here is the thing with Fenn. He has succeeded in everything in his life: military pilot, art dealer, antique collector and business man. He writes a couple of books, had to buy them all and to what? Nobody recognizes him as an author. So he comes up with this plan, a ingenious plan to push his name out there. This is a hoax only as much as there could really be something out there. But not a million dollars worth, a least not until 1000 yrs plus inflation then yeah. The math doesn't add up. The volume of all what he says are in there is more than the volume of what he said the dimensions are. Most likely his memoir and a couple of things he's made are in there. It's just a genocache that someone lied to say there's gold inside. How come nobody has come forward saying they've seen Fenn's gold or documentation he has had it.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      My problem is that he has had 2 spots on Today. Why is he getting a platform to further a hoax? His ends do not justify his means and for that I have little respect for the man. The more he attempts to thrust himself into the spotlight the worse his legacy becomes. He is a terrible man.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      I wouldn't go as far as to call him a terrible man. Just an old man who knows 'the end is nigh' and trying to leave the world with something. If you want to know why nobody has found it, because it's not in a national park.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      But then again we are talking about a man who made a living selling paintings with forged signatures. They may be great works of art to still appreciate but it's still a scam.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I would characterize some that's spent a life deceiving people as terrible. I'll stick to my comment. :)

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I have updated the end of the article with a link to Paul Norman's quest to find the treasure. I highly suggest it.

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      Paul elkart 3 years ago

      Brett,

      Thank you for offering a link to this story. I hope all that are interested in the Finn treasure take the time to read this and enjoy.

      Paul Norman

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      To Paul

      Not bad, I rather enjoyed it. Easy and quick read and I'm sure this sums up everyone's Forrest Fenn hunt.

      1) Its not by a dam. Just think if they dam were to fail, boom, no more treasure. It would be a more secure spot.

      2) Blaze wouldn't refer to burnt tress. As soon as the area rebuilds itself up again the poem will be worthless.

      3) you should of known Forrest had been in that cave cause he likes Dr Pepper not Coke, silly

      If you want a clue as to how the treasure was hid think of Shawshank Redemption and how the box was out in the meadow by a tree under a rock.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Djjmciv - If you know where it is why aren't you getting it?!?! :)

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      "Walk with confidence" -- don't have that 100%

      But I'll share my theory. A few times during the road trip I've looked across the distance and seen a mountain I wanted to climb or an interesting moat. That's where I think Forrest put his "life story" (we know why I don't use the word treasure). It's on some public/private land not reserved for national parks. Some place close to the highway. Some place Forrest would stop as a pit stop to have lunch during a road trip. Since we're both from TX maybe I'll pick you up when I get that confidence. Haha

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      Paul elkart 3 years ago

      I think he would put it somewhere that was convenent to him, where he could check on it from time to time. Because he is a pilot, and has a small plane, I think he would chose some where like Flaming Gorge. There he could use the airport at Dutch John only walking distance to the Gorge. I am certain that Flaming Gorge would have been one of his favorite fishing spots that he had visited many times.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Definitely pick me up on your way to fame and glory. I'll ride the coattails.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      I just came to a discovery. Forrest said to solve the treasure to start at the beginning. Well that would be the title which are the words "Treasure Lies". The book is even called thrill of the chase not the thrill of discovering a golden chest.

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      I just came to a discovery. Forrest said to solve the treasure to start at the beginning. Well that would be the title which are the words "Treasure Lies". The book is even called thrill of the chase not the thrill of discovering a golden chest.

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      Hrm. Good point. You might be on to something. :)

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      Djjmciv 3 years ago

      Ever thought that maybe you were looking in the wrong spot?

      Bandelier National Monument

      The park's elevations range from about 5,000 feet (1,500 m) at the Rio Grande to over 10,200 feet (3,100 m) at the summit of Cerro Grande.[6]

      Do some research on it, you might become a big fan....

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      JawBone 3 years ago

      The Hopewell Lake theory is exciting.

      I will search my Placer Creek Mineral Claim more thoroughly now.

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      billy the gun slinger 3 years ago

      To all who read and the writer of this piece, first off the opening line is a clue and does a great thing by putting it in the beginning as to throw ppl off , as i have gone alone in there ... he is describing the entrance of the final location of the treasure. (very important ) ie i have gone into a cave , i have gone into a lagoon , in order to find this you will have to pass or go through some sort of enclosed area. this makes it a lot more understandable why ppl walk right on by , it wont just be sitting on a stump if you have ever just been an explorer as a kid , you all no you have found some sort of secret hiding place that you don't tell your parents about, you can go here when your scared or sad but it's a dear place that you keep to yourself. to further shed light , i agree fully and even believe that part of his reason for doing this is to fight against the government during a tme of not much physical strength on forests end , listen as a duel citizen that chooses to live in Canada because of the fact that United States has become a Nation full of greed lies and deceitful actions and continually grows worse. Look at all the laws that U S has implemented to keep the average man down, you can no longer make a claim to anything and can't even dig on open grown or investigate the natural interests of a human being , i believe this story to be a great movement and inspiring even ... the government has continually said contact them immediately and don't touch anything because it belongs to the american ppl ie Government and you will go to jail , this is do to a law that they say is to protect ancient lands, keep in mind this is the same country that will walk into other countries and slaughter and bomb everything in site. Now do you really think the United states government gives 2 shits about any ancient tribes from 1000 years ago??? fuk noooo. the government has made it so we think we are free but we are not they put a tv in every house and make it affordable so we can only afford to pay our bills go to work and go home. Now think about this way what is the difference between ppl in prison right now and the everyday working american ? The everyday working Americans bars are invisible. A regular man can make a claim due to american government and we all know this so we stay in our houses and do as we are told.. This is not living my friends and this treasure hunt exposures the Government for what they are. (selfish crooks ) Now this man wants to not just to be remembered, he wants it to be greatly remembered. Let me leave it on this note, If i were to uncover this secret yes i would get cash first but not before making a nice juicy video showing the government i had it and didn't claim it, and if anyone tried to stop me from keeping it after a finding it would be the last thing that individual ever did. so here mmeeeee alll and listen good rise up agians your government and take back what is yours , U S has done NOTHING FOR ITS PEEPLE FOR SO LONG IT MAKES ME SICK. Trust me Amerindian Governments fear you more than you them. Every major empire has fallen since the beginning of time because the ppl had enough , Iv had enough and I will speak out , the United States Government is a disgrace to mankind and needs to be finished, and i will gladly fight in a revolution against U S govenments...

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      jimmy j 3 years ago

      I realized it was fake as soon as I found out he published the book himself and his store was the only one selling it. He states it will result in a loss, publishing it himself, and that he's donating a portion to cancer research/treatment at an attempt to save face while ripping people off. The smartest thing about the entire situation is he has stated all you need is the poem, which is free from his website, and not the book so he can't be convicted of fraud if it ever comes out this whole thing was a haux!

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      brettmw 3 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I occasionally visit websites where people post stories and pictures of where they have searched. As much as I appreciate the fact that they are enjoying some really awesome outdoor areas, there are plenty of people for which this has become an obsession for them. Literally driving for days and bringing their families with them over and over again to search for this thing, which is not out there. Fenn should feel bad for what he has done. But he doesn't because he is obsessed with himself and his mortality. He is an embarrassment and should be ashamed.

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      RebeccaFun 3 years ago

      I loved this commentary. It was a great read. Thanks. I am still smiling.

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      Iktomi 3 years ago

      Great read on this site. Throughout my search for the treasure, I have obviously spent more hours in front of my computer researching a good place to start, not going to go anywhere unless I feel that I have solved this thing for sure. Even if it were a hoax, it surely "brings a smile to one of my dreams" and I have learned a lot of random stuff from trying to go on things I think of as leads. he gets my applause by doing this for me with the lure of adventure and gold on the end of his reel. Ready or not I plan to search this summer. If it is the jouney instead of the quarry we are supposedly supposed to be seeking, and I have a dang good time then looks like he and I have both succeeded. That Fenn guy is so old, I hope I get the chance to meet him before he kicks the bucket.

      But really, we all know we are in it for the gold ;)

      Especially thanks to plasma who exposed a few of those lies... most helpful.

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      Tyakoka 2 years ago

      Just another simple case of some people falling for a bait and switch scam of fool's gold, as I see it.

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      cg 2 years ago

      I just left my search area cut short by weather. I have to start a new job so it will be a year before I can get back. So I am looking for someone who who wants to partner 50:50...please email me if interested at columbiagorge@hotmail.com and we can chat about it.

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      2 years ago

      somewhere your gene pool surly got mixed up. Remember the x I will prove you wrong later.

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      Simon 2 years ago

      Thanks for the article, I just stumbled across Fenn's treasure today (not literally obviously), and interestingly came to the Lake Hopewell hypothesis independently. Found your site searching for Hopewell and Fenn! Some similar cues, but I didn't uncover the Brown (Uni)-Hopewell connection. I got Brown trout - Vallecitos Rio, Ojo Caliente (hot pools), placer creek, Hopewell - "not for the meek", burned mountain.

      , snow measuring station etc.

      Interesting exercise, but I can't help suspect your conclusion is correct. I do wonder if anyone has actually been searching at the location though.

      cheers

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      CW 2 years ago

      I would argue that Fenn is a very qualitative right brained man. Statistical or quantitative analysis really doesn't yield much. He has stated he embellishes stories and substitutes accurate words for others that "could" make sense. To the right person. The word "cold" is one of those included in the poem. I don't know that I am right, I would rather be humble about it, but I am a Texas A&M MBA student that was rejected, accepted to TCU, then with a large leap of faith, admitted into A&M four months later. The reference to a woman in Houston is also very true in my life. I feel like I am well in tune with the man, and I have spent a year revalidating the spot I came to in the first three weeks. I have continually tried to prove myself wrong. The more I try, the more I can't disprove it. Just recently got the book as a surprise present and reading it only went to reinforce my previous beliefs. I am going soon, but the point is that the world is far too quantitative nowadays. I believe part of what he really wants is the creative and qualitative thinking that has lead many men to greatness. Just my two cents...CW

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      brettmw 2 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I wish you luck in finding the treasure CW. Thanks for the comment.

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      Hammertime 2 years ago

      So the treasure is still out there right?

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      brettmw 2 years ago from Dallas, TX

      I haven't heard of anyone finding it so I would assume so, if it was ever out there to begin with, which I doubt.

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      TRACY MOORE 2 years ago

      I have just looked at this Treasure Hunt thing. It is a very clever marketing tactic. Write a book, add a bonus, than follow up with multi-books along the way throwing in a clue from time to time. I too found the contradictions through his stories, interviews and the poem. This man Forrest Fenn is a HuGE FRAUD. The first RED flag was selling FAKE ART in his business that he shared with his wife. FBI involved. That is how he made millions. Than he go cancer, he claims. Honestly you put your family in danger from the attention of crazy people wanting information. FORREST FENN is a NARCISSIST playing on the dumb minded Americans.

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      brettmw 2 years ago from Dallas, TX

      That sounds about right.

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      TRACY MOORE 2 years ago

      I believe if there is a Treasure it is on the lands that Forrest Fenn owns. He has several places, 1 North of Santa Fe, 1 South. Because of the Laws, it would wise to place this treasure on his own land, he could keep track of the people he gives permission too. As for a SAFE family hiking, fishing & treasure hunting trip, the wildness is NEVER safe.

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      Dewey 2 years ago

      You poor people. Is this what you really want to believe in or not believe in? Is this what you want to spend your time doing. If so fine but really? You'd think that you were talking about religion or politics!

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      Tyakoka 2 years ago

      Where Fenn's thrill chase game is concerned, I call upon Shakespeare's tragedy of Macbeth.

      "Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player

      That struts and frets his hour upon the stage

      And then is heard no more: it is a tale

      Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,

      Signifying nothing."

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      The Artist 2 years ago

      Brett, there is a good possibility that the treasure hunt Fenn first devised did not go off as he had planned it. Only a creative person knows this fact. No creative person can predict what will happen when they submit their work out into the world for all to criticize. If it is all a hoax, then he has a lot riding on the line, and his family is quite large. This would be tantamount to saying Forrest dislikes his family enough to drag them all through the mud by this dishonorable act. He would indeed need to be a horrific person to do this. I don't know him personally, but he seems proud of, and to love his family very much.

      Although, it could be that Fenn is just daring enough that he thinks he could get away with it, and it would never come to a persecution for dishonor. Some of his questionable past could point one to this conclusion as well. It is part of the Fenn mystique that leads us only to more questions, and to second-guess ourselves. Is he good or bad?

      Maybe you are missing something in your analysis. There is a simple way to solve the poem that maybe only someone has hinted at and hasn't, as of yet, been able to solve. Why can't this be your goal? You are a man of words, a modern-age wordsmith of sorts. I challenge you now to put that robe on and wear it with pride. ("Widen your gaze")

      Those who seek answers are the ones that discover something they never expected.

      And this is a challenge to everyone else. The only true way to know an artist is to become one. Sit down and construct your very own 24 line poem that conceals the location to where you (hypothetically) buried your most sacred objects. I guarantee you will learn volumes from this exercise, and it will have nothing to do with a treasure chest full of gold, and then maybe you will know Forrest Fenn a little better.

      Cheers- The Artist

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      Jesse 2 years ago

      Perhaps the poem and the clues in it are not the most ingenious ever conceived. A resurrected Alan Turing could not figure it out because it is rife with vague clues and other spoken inconsistencies. The fact that Fenn is human and this whole five year treasure hunt, as its currently written, is not befitting a tight, well-oiled Hollywood script, says nothing of its plausibility. He's stated that he hopes it is not found in his lifetime, suggesting his "get outdoors" mantra/motive continues, but obviously not in perpetuity (a thousand years). Some people can get pretty worked up over the ramblings of an eccentric eighty four year old man. You surely got much further along with your Brown/Hopewell/Burned Mountain thesis than 98% of the populace that fall well below the self-ascribed "highly intelligent" category. I assume you did a little research to come to that semi-conclusion, and my theory is that you, with your predilection to conservative, myopic tea-party politics, got pretty worked up when you did not reach your goal, while you aught to have (I'm preaching to the choir with my normative suggestions) enjoyed the journey, e.g., process. Stating that the existence of the treasure defeats its purpose is akin to saying that I should not live life to the fullest because it will be wasted on death. If the chest is found in 2015, and one million people invested time and faith in finding the treasure, that equals to millions of years that Fenn's legacy has postively contributed, as opposed to the few dozen comments that you've spent time stoking the fire of your Forrest Fenn resentment over these past few pathetic years. Well, that's my two cents and thirty minutes worth. Happy hunting companero!

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      brettmw 2 years ago from Dallas, TX

      How you concluded that I have a "predilection to conservative, myopic tea-party politics" from a satire piece is pretty hilarious. Perhaps you have that opinion because of your predilection to progressive liberal hippie nonsense.

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      Anonymous 2 years ago

      I think you found it!

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      Hunt over 23 months ago

      I found it in a cave behind a waterfall near burned mountain. I've been trying to get a hold of Forrest since yesterday. Want to talk to him before I go public.

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      brettmw 23 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Rotfl. Ift's true I deserve a cut!

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      ron burgundy13422 23 months ago

      Brett,

      This is amazing work. Thank you for providing some clarity to the aimless masses who will undoubtedly continue to search for this. The greatest insight I gleaned from this was the fact that he was raided by the feds and likely is out for revenge. This couldn't be farther from the truth. What better way to get back at the government but to suggest (though not explicitedly state) that the treasure is hidden on federal land! Now you've got 30,000 people tearing up land for years to come AND technology will only improve, making it easier to find things (something a navy pilot knows all two well). He's persistent and will likely continue to be-he hates the government. Also, most people are looking for $1 million to $2 million (just google sell your soul to the devil and read the comments). Also, if it were really out there, why wouldn't he get someone rich to verify this? They wouldn't care...it's nothing to them! For those that will help Fenn carry out his destructive regime, congrats...you're being duped. For those that see the light, bravo.

      -Ron B.

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      brettmw 23 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Thank you for the comment Ron!

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      Argus33 22 months ago

      Hunt Over- You really found it?! Would you mind please describing in detail the contents of the chest?

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      John Falshire 22 months ago

      Brett, you're so blinded by your blended-humor vitriol for Forrest Fenn (for whatever reason) - you're actually missing all the fun. On a separate note - WHAT THE **** DOES HE OWE YOU? Seriously, I'd really like to know. (FYI: I believe the treasure exists. I am 100% sure that I am 90% there. *Cause you don't stare at a brave in the wood while a blaze is behind a (very) heavy load quickly having the water (come in) high as you sh*t your pants (no place for the meek) UNLESS.......you're almost there.) Remember this sequence so my friend and I can prove we were the ones who found it: BF89GV90KHS

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      John Falshire 22 months ago

      ps. start south of Romeo, Co. *You're welcome. COME AND GET IT. You have some catching up to do. I'll leave a note that "Kilroy was here" if I beat you to it. If not, you'll be holding the treasure or Fenn is a liar (to all of us).

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      Arslan 22 months ago

      Need exact clues find at 1st june 2015 at FB page............ I guarantee

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      mason 22 months ago

      Brett,

      The treasure hasn't been found, and will not be found, because the treasure is in the pond at his home. He controls who comes in and out.

      Starting at the southwestern border of Santa Fe, near the Airport (he was a fighter pilot), find Aqua Fria (warm water halts where cold water begins). Follow it up to Government Plaza, where numerous Browns have held the judge's seat. Leave Government Plaza to the southeast, taking Canyon Dr. South. As you near the end of Canyon Dr, you will pass a church (meek). Continue down Canyon, but do NOT follow the Santa Fe River up Upper Canyon Dr. The only thing up there is reservoirs and the only road in the area that allows Semi Trucks (heavy loads). Continue past the schools (wise), to Camino Del Monte Sol (Blaze #1), look down to Santa Fe Trail (trail BLAZE #2). Mr. Fenn's home is right there. If you notice, his home is bordering on a forest. Which is the definition of "a wood." When you see the pond, just go in. Don't knock on his door, don't talk to anyone. Just go in, take the chest and leave.

      I went and tried to talk to him. He stood on his front porch and didn't say a word to me while his family tried to shoo me away. I was threatened to have the cops called on me, otherwise I would have stripped down and jumped in.

      Most people look at the map and say this is not North of Santa Fe, but it IS. North and True North differ by about 9 degrees, based on Fenn's map. Therefore, shooting an azimuth of 90 degrees + the 9 degree declination, anything ABOVE this line is "North."

      Fenn has said the treasure is 66,000 links North of Santa Fe. 66,000 links is a surveyor's measurement, equaling 8.5 miles.

      The route above is just above 8.5 miles, and takes you directly to his home.

      He said he was taking his treasure with him when he died, and that the treasure is where he wanted to die. He sold his multi-million dollar art gallery in Santa Fe to build a home in... Santa Fe. Why not move? He was 60-70 years old when he sold. When I'm 60-70, I'm moving where I want to die.

      Now... when you get there, you have to start at the beginning. Fenn's biggest memory was skinny dipping in the warm springs of Wyoming. Then later, he discusses how his family would never go in with him.

      "As I have gone IN there alone." He didn't say he went to A PLACE, he said he went IN somewhere. You can go IN a: cave, lake, stream, pond...

      "I've done it tired and now I'm weak." Tired can also be used to say you've done something over and over again and now that he's 80, he doesn't have the strength to jump in a cold pond anymore.

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      brettmw 22 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Mason, that is a great analysis as very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I guess you'll just have to rob him to get the chest. :)

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      Tyakoka 22 months ago

      It appears to some that TTOTC ship of fools is set to sail over the edge of the earth shortly.

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      Billy Forester 20 months ago

      brett, shoot me a message at wonderstrike@gmail.com

      or find me on Facebook: Billy Forester

      trust me.

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      RWAITE 18 months ago

      Hi Brett,

      I'm working on a film - is there a way to contact you?

      Thanks

      rosewaiteresearcher@gmail.com

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      Linda Bilyeu 14 months ago from Orlando, FL

      Brilliant theory! Hilarious too! Unfortunately my ex-husband has been missing since Jan 5, 2016 while hunting for the treasure. I really wish he would have read your article before he became obsessed and his mind was manipulated two years ago. Kudos to you for hopefully helping to rescue others!

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      Paula 14 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      brett....I have only recently become aware of this man, Forrest and his famous "Treasure Hunt." Due to the article written by a fellow-writer of mine here on Hubpages. "Sunshine625" (who left you the above comment) has become very entrenched in the unfortunate "missing" situation of her ex-husband and father of her 2 adult daughters.

      I have to agree with your take on this entire thing. You make a lot of sense. Mostly, I feel this man is more concerned with a "Legacy" than anything else. Whether or not he started out with something benevolent in mind, it appears there is too much plain old "bunk" coming out of the woodwork now.

      People's lives are at stake. I don't see why people are praising FF for helping in the search. That's the very least the old man can do! My gut tells me there's much more to be discovered besides an alleged "treasure.:

      Great article. You're a master thinker and a fabulous writer!.....

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      TSAD 14 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Why does this make me think of the "legend" of Sasquatch, or big foot as it is popularly called on Nat Geo and any and all of the phony shows contrived to keep the public wondering and watching to see if it might exist? (it doesn't).

      Likely the answer is this treasure doesn't exist either. Just Google "Forrest Fenn and his Treasure" and read title after title,

      Thrill Of The Chase Searching For Forrest Fenn's Treasure ‚Äč

      The hunt for Forrest Fenn's treasure CBSNews

      Has Forrest Fenn's treasure been found? KSL(dot)com

      Is Forrest Fenn's Treasure Hidden in Yellowstone?

      The Hunt for the Fenn Treasure - Facebook

      A millionaire has hidden a chest full of gold in the Rockies

      and so on - sounds just like a search for big foot, FF has created the 21st century Sasquatch and is probably tickled to death knowing that like the "legend of Sasquatch" he has created something that doesn't exist but will live forever.

      Enjoyed your sober analysis Brett. Just goes to show ya studying history is important because it does repeat itself, over and over and over.

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      TSAD 14 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      You know there is a simple way to find this treasure if it does exist and I am baffled that some research journalist with a major media outlet with money to back him hasn't done this, which they would have if they believed it could exist, and wouldn't if they believed your analysis is right.

      Just put private surveillance on Fenn then print a story that the treasure has been found by someone who has disappeared (appears someone has) with the treasure and doesn't want to be known until he has converted it secretly into cash (or some sort of believable story). Then watch Fenn, see where he goes, because if it exists he'd have to check, curiosity would kill him. If he does nothing, it doesn't exist.

      Case closed. The story would pay for whatever expense incurred to follow Fenn, it would make a great story for so many outlets and if he lead them to the treasure, they could keep it as he has already said whoever finds it can keep it.

      Mission impossible? No matter what, if people sit in front of the TV for hours to watch people looking for sounds and smells or hair and footprints of a Sasquatch this show would keep them on the edge of their seat. $$$$ for whoever airs it whether Forrest Fenn dies in his recliner of natural causes or leads them on a wild goose chase...It's TV.

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      Paula 13 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      As time ticks by & no closer to having any idea what happened to Randy, this becomes such a sad tale. Linda & his daughters however remain strong and steadfast. They have no intention of stopping until Randy is rescued or recovered.

      It is encouraging to know of the huge number of people who have rallied round these ladies with help, support, suggestions & ideas in the search. Just to know how wonderful and compassionate complete strangers can be, brings some light to a grim situation.

      Each night I think of Randy and ask God to show the searchers where to find him, I ask too that the family is comforted and I can't help but think of little "Leo," missing his master so much. Bless you all. Peace & Love, Paula

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      brettmw 13 months ago from Dallas, TX

      I am so sorry to hear about your ex-husband Sunshine625. As soon as I saw the headline that a man was missing searching for $2 million in gold I knew exactly what is was going to be about. It's a terrible tragedy and personally I think Forrest should do something about what's been happening. Father's have taken their family's on obsessive searches every weekend for months. People have almost died and one may have. He has not inspired your average person to explore nature. He's created a fanatic cult of obsessed treasure hunters that are destroying their lives, families, and putting themselves at risk.

      Years ago when I wrote this the hunt and the story was funny. Now it's no joke and Forrest should put an end to it. He should be ashamed and have so much guilt that Randy is missing because he is directly responsible for his disappearance. He should be ashamed of himself but he's too self-obsessed to do anything. I will pray for Randy and if there's anything I can do please let me know.

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      djjmciv 13 months ago

      Two years later since you've written this and Forrest still contradicts himself. Some say even more so.

      Also, we agree again. This chase needs to end.

      Good idea Fenn, didn't work. People got hurt. If it continues more people will get hurt because that's what the idea of money and riches does to people. Blocks their reasoning.

      The day I witnesses a gun being pulled on another searcher and demanded he leave his search area was the day this was all too crazy for me. Plus, I'm still on this is a hoax train.

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      Dean 13 months ago

      Brett, I have been hesitant to write anything about this situation because I have way too much going on in my life. A couple of years ago, I sent a very benevolent post to Fenn & I was treated horribly. Nothing I wrote should have triggered that kind of a response. I have serious health issues, & was shocked at the total lack of empathy & understanding that this character exhibited. Very disconcerting & I have a real problem with this guy as I think many others do. I believe he found the perfect money making ruse with this thing & the only real treasure involved is his Bank Account. If he isn't a sociopath and/or a psychopath, his conscience should be eating away at him, something fierce. As someone noted, surveillance should be put upon this guy & his associates. I hope for the sanity & peace of the family & friends connected to Mr. Bilyeu, that this man is found. Just an awful situation. Wish I could help more.

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      brettmw 13 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Thanks so much for your comment Dean. I hope you're doing better. And I totally agree with you. It was funny for a while but it's not funny any longer.

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      Linda Bilyeu 13 months ago from Orlando, FL

      Manipulation of the mind at it's worst. FF might be worshipped by his following, but the majority of people see right through his scam. Week 7 and Randy is still missing. Shame on FF for not being man enough to come forward and help find him besides hovering in a damn helicopter for a couple of hours for the sake of media attention.

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      Linda Bilyeu 13 months ago from Orlando, FL

      I would like to hear more of this story ... The day I witnesses a gun being pulled on another searcher and demanded he leave his search area was the day this was all too crazy for me. Plus, I'm still on this is a hoax train.

      Email me djjmciv ... please!

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      Dean 13 months ago

      Brett-

      My pleasure writing to you, & Thank You for responding. I have a chronic health condition that struck me in the prime of life & I have the proverbial "Good Days, Bad Days" thing & always will. The post that Fenn sent to me reeked of anger & guilt. That's the feeling I got from it. Totally inappropriate. Suggests a rich, "Full Of Himself" kind of person. I think his "Associates" are very shady as well. How "Quaint" that he signs everything with "f." I heard that he was accused of Grave Robbing at certain points & that certainly is an important psychological component. Something is "Rotten In Denmark" here, or, should I say, Santa Fe. Fenn could certainly do a heck of a lot more to help find this poor man. I'll bet he's done virtually nothing since that faux helicopter publicity stunt. Every time I look at that nice dog, I feel so awful. And, I agree with Sunshine that the person who witnessed a gun being pulled on another should communicate. That's very important. You have to wonder how much "Clout" & "Influence" Fenn has with higher ups in Santa Fe, because we all know that can make or break a situation. I think the Feds need to get more deeply involved here. I will help if I can offer any advice, etc, which may be useful. I hope that person contacts Sunshine & others about that gun situation. Federal Officials need to take a closer look at this whole situation. Take Care.

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      Linda Bilyeu 13 months ago from Orlando, FL

      Hi Dean, It's good you got away when you did. I wish you better health. There sure is something rotten going on.

      Hi Brett, I just learned that Randy read this hub on 12-29-15 and he still went ahead with his plan! Manipulation of the Mind!!

      By the way...I have a Facebook group called Search for Randy Bilyeu if y'all wanna join!

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      Dean 13 months ago

      Thanks, Sunshine. I never got involved with the treasure hunt itself; I know a lady who lives in NM. She told me about that hunt; I proceeded to write Fenn a very harmless post & I got treated like you know what. That was approx. 2 years ago. He's a nasty man with some kind of axe to grind. If someone saw a gun being pulled on another, that should be reported. It's very important. I'm not involved with Facebook; not my cup of tea. You will be in my thoughts for sure & I hope things get done the right way there. All the best & I'll try to post when I can.

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      brettmw 12 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Hey Sunshine. I wish my article could have deterred Randy from going out on his search.

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      Dean 12 months ago

      Your article was a great read & hits home, in my opinion. This thing blew up on Fenn in a huge way, but as always, the rich & influential are protected. If he has a conscience I hope it eats away at him until his last day. Because of this self serving BS, a nice man is missing & loved ones are anguishing. Awful. Really don't know what more someone like myself could do to help except to say that river currents should be studied, that river should be dragged relentlessly & those people who were apparently involved in a gun pulling situation should come forward or be sought out. Fenn certainly has the $$$$ to make any & all of this happen.

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      Paula 12 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I applaud Linda and her daughters for their tireless search. More importantly, the "NOISE" needs to continue. FF I'm sure counts on stories like this one to calm down and fade away.

      Well, FAT CHANCE. Randy's family and THEIR loyal friends are the wrong group to expect to "give up." That's just not going to happen.

      I see many people have had to halt their search and perhaps have had to put aside their interest in the search for Randy. This can be understandable, but as time goes on, Linda & family will continue and be able to draw more & more into this mission. As the weather improves, many will re-examine & begin again!

      What some people do not understand is that we do not have to give FF any credit for anything. We don't have to even believe him and certainly are not frightened off by the ignorant comments of his cult-like followers who are blinded into thinking the old man is some kind of a god..... Easy boys...FF is just a clever, elderly scam artist...and you bought it hook, line and sinker.

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      texasrancher33 11 months ago

      I was very sorry to hear about Randy's disappearance. I only learned of the treasure hunt, FF, the poem, and the rest of it within the last few months. I personally have been affected in a very positive way since learning about it. The idea of going on a treasure hunt makes a hiking trip to the mountains seem much more appealing and exciting. Upon hearing about it all I decided to look at some maps and blogs and such and after seeing scores and scores of beautiful pictures that the searchers had taken I decided to take my family on the first mountain trip we have ever been on. Since then we have been hiking at a local state park several times and my 3 year old son has become quite skilled at finding pieces of flint! In just a short couple of months my family has started going out and enjoying nature almost every weekend which has given my son and I something new to bond over. If something tragic like what happened to Randy ever happened on one of my family's camping trips it would devastate me but I would not blame it on a chest of gold, a poem, or the man who wrote it. Keeping yourself and the ones you love safe is priority number one and I am deeply saddened that such an adventurous man who from his pictures looked like he really enjoyed life has gone missing.

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      Its not a hoax 10 months ago

      I don't believe it's a hoax. Yes the poem is very vague, and I think that is intentional. He said he hid the chest in hopes that it would get families into the wilderness. If the poem wasn't vague it would limit the search area to a specific geographical area, but as it is written it can lead you to every waterfall, hot springs, canyon, creek in the Rocky Mountains of New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana. ff has spent a lifetime hiking, fishing, and treasure hunting in all of these places, and I can only imagine the beauty he has seen. I live in southwestern Colorado and the beauty is undeniable. If the poem wasn't vague everyone who believes it is in Yellowstone or any number of other beautiful places in the Rocky Mountains would miss out on that wonder if the poem directed you to Mesa verde national park where I live. However vague it may be, the person who figures out the clues will probably tell you it's not vague at all, if you can just figure it out. He said in a interview that the person who finds the treasure will go with confidence, and that it won't be stumbled upon. As the poem is written I have struggled with that because it can lead you to all the places I mentioned before. So I believe the poem has to be reconciled in some fashion. He also said that if the clues were followed exactly it would lead you straight to the chest. I think the clues will lead you their, but I don't believe the clues are as apparent as we all believe. I don't think the people who were within 200 feet of the treasure even knew where they were at and if they did know then they obviously didn't have a clue as to the next seven clues. I mean they probably knew they were at a certain waterfall or whatever, but didn't know what else to look for. In other words they hadn't figured out the poem.The fact that the chest has a key and isn't locked makes no difference. He was looking for the right chest for the job, one made of bronze that would not deteriorate while being subjected to the elements for however long it set there. That is the same reason he made the bells out of bronze. Anyway I don't believe it's a hoax, I don't think that is a legacy he would want for his daughters or grand children to have live with. I believe that I may possibly find the treasure this summer, or I may be wrong about where I think it is again. One things for certain I'm looking forward to sharing the Thrill of The Chase with my stepson again as we saw some beautiful places last year while searching. Those are memories I will cherish for ever.

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      Marie222 9 months ago

      There is a lot of vitriol on this web site. I understand it manifests from personal loss and pain, or empathizing with someone else's. Having a villain and scapegoat to direct all that emotion may help bandage some pain in the short term, but I think this is short sighted. I can understand skepticism, but until you have evidence of a hoax, Mr. Fenn is innocent until proven guilty. Maligning him is just poor form. There are numerous accounts of individuals who said they had seen the treasure in his safe and it is no longer there. So it did exist at one point. As much as it hurts to hear this, Mr. Fenn is not the one to blame for Mr. Bilyeu's actions. Mr. Fenn made it more than clear that his box was not in an unsafe place and it would be where an 80 year old can go. This would not include rappelling down a cliff or going into any river in a small inflatable boat. He specifically said he walked to the place he left it. A simple google search would have made available numerous sites with this information. It is obvious, Mr. Fenn’s social experiment is not all perfect and peaches because of the varied human reaction to it. I think he entered into this endeavor with a naïve and generous idea, that he sincerely felt would do some good. There are many people enjoying the hunt and doing it in a healthy balanced way, we just don’t hear about them and they are not on the blog sites. Mr. Bilyeu was human, with human frailties and made some poor judgments that were his, and his alone. He is the one who is responsible for what happened in the end. In life, there are many people who will get misdirected or be tempted to take things to extremes. But they are non-the-less adults who have a free will to make those choices. We can't protect people from themselves and bubble wrap them. Should we then outlaw mountain climbing, parachuting, skiing, driving, alcohol...? Mr. Fenn and many people in that circle, went out of their way to help initially in this unfortunate event. Why would anyone condemn and criticize this? This unfortunately, is one families cross to bear, not everyone else’s… so be gracious when people try to help, as small as it may seem to you. This whole thing hurts. I get that,…it sucks...but you are mad at the wrong person. Grief counseling may help in coping. I am not sure the blog sites are the best place to find peace. I sincerely hope you get some closure and you find your loved one. I am sorry for this happening to you. You and your family did not ask for this.

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      jen 8 months ago

      Randy Bilyeu's remains were found. RIP

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      Wanderer 7 months ago

      Very interesting, and somber, reading the comments knowing what about Randy's death. Many people had roles in this tragedy, this result is the fault of no single person.

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      whodat00 6 months ago

      Yes, you're a cynical, resentful, histrionic wannabe who has not .00000000000001% of Forrest Fenn's accomplishments in life. You have not spent the time to understand the meaning Mr. Fenn attaches to everything he does. Your remark about the implausibility of missing the chest (which might well be buried) from 200 feet in mountain wilderness shows your naivete. You mockingly scoff at that reality. The poem is metaphoric, and while there are hundreds of interpretation, there are finite possibilities. Try using your own brand of confirmational bias to fit every clue/word into a viable solution that meets all of the rules. Searchers are compelled to learn enormous lessons about geography, history, archeology, art, aviation, geology, religion, literature, and more. This chest will probably be found in your lifetime, but when it does you will not speak with embarrassment about your maligning this war hero's good name and altruistic act to inspire people all over the world to pursue lofty goals for the thrill of the chase. What a waste of your intelligence to draft this contemptuous piece.

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      dismayed 6 months ago

      No, you're not supposed to add his remains and leave the chest. His father died of suicide rather than languishing through a miserable inevitable ending. Forrest thought he had months to live when he moved ahead on the chase and anticipated committing suicide. Did you even read and comprehend anything about this epic search before you started writing?

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      Huh? 6 months ago

      What is your premise? It sounds like you're saying: a) there is no chest; but b) if there is, the poem is impossible to solve; and c) since the poem has taken people so close to the chest that it's ridiculous to think it would remain hidden for a hundred or more years. Yeah, that covers all bases. You should run for office.

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      brettmw 6 months ago from Dallas, TX

      Whodat, Dismayed, and Huh... You're the same person, obviously, since the IP addresses are all the same. Why you felt the need to criticize me with 3 different accounts is beyond me. I guess you wanted it to look like more people or something, which is sort of sad. Either way, thank you for your comments.

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      Linda Bilyeu 6 months ago from Orlando, FL

      Hey Brett, I see your article continues to attract attention after 3 years. Well done! Supposedly the chest has been found over a hundred times since you wrote this, that's the amount of times I heard about...I cannot imagine what others have heard. Keep up the good work, as will I.

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      Josh ross 6 months ago

      Just another hater who thinks he is a genius. Lol... u sound like an idiot, coming from a real genius. HATER! Instead of crying in your pillow you typed this. Sure your entitled to look like a clown. He was going to overdose on pills where the chest is. Nobody was going to carry him there. Dumb as hell!

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      Paula 5 weeks ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      scottie ole boy....you may want to switch your brand of booze or favorite drug. The one you're taking is making mush of your brain and a total fool of you........Yeah, "blaze, forge, 32 bears, library & an owl".........friggan amazing. Oh, you sure do think like a kid. a dumb one.

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      Gilbert Arevalo 3 weeks ago from Hacienda Heights, California

      I think it is a very amusing story.

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