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How To Start A Writer's Group

Updated on September 26, 2013

"Competition has been shown to be useful up to a certain point and no further, but cooperation, which is the thing we must strive for today, begins where competition leaves off."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Misery loves company!

There is your reason for starting a writer’s group in your area.

Just kidding, but I got your attention, right, and that is the whole purpose of an introduction.

Lesson one is now completed.

Now let’s move on to the reason for this article, namely how to start a writer’s group. First, though, for those of you who could easily be named Doubting Thomas, let’s take a look at the benefits of doing so.

Finding writers for your group is not difficult
Finding writers for your group is not difficult

A pro agrees

How Do I Love Thee? Let Me Count the Ways

Too much to do already….don’t know how….can’t be bothered…..can’t see how it helps you….I know all the excuses, mainly because I have used them before. I had thought about starting a writer’s group for at least six months before actually doing it. I never had a problem coming up with a reason why I couldn’t do it. Getting out of something I don’t want to do is no problem for this boy. Unfortunately, I have this woman named Bev in my life, and Bev is determined that I will be successful. She is also my number one fan, so when she speaks I listen, and one day Bev was speaking to me and she asked me if I was going to keep making excuses or if I was willing to step out of my comfort level and do anything it took to become successful.

Dammit I hate it when we have those talks. LOL

So we went ahead and formed a small, informal group, and I can now speak from experience in telling you the advantages of forming your own writing groupl

  • Sharing information with other writers which of course leads to growth
  • Finding inspiration from the successes of others
  • Supporting each other
  • Encouraging each other
  • Feeling like you are not alone
  • Great, safe source of feedback and helpful suggestions
  • Accountability in meeting the goals of the group

Rather than go over each one of those, which I believe are self-explanatory, I’ll give you an overview and then we can move on to the actual purpose of this article.

Yes, I belong to a writing community called HubPages, and yes, all of the advantages listed above are available to a certain extent in that community. However, there is something more personal in dealing with other writers one on one, in person, and there is also a sense of responsibility knowing you can’t hide within the anonymity of the internet. Dealing with other writers face to face pushes me outside of my safe cocoon and forces me to be much more accountable than an internet group like HubPages ever could.

Okay, so how do you form one of these groups?

The site of our writer's group, held weekly
The site of our writer's group, held weekly | Source

FIND THE PLAYERS

For our group it was as easy as plumbing the depths of our friendships. We already knew several other writers, so we asked them if they wanted to join and they were delighted. However, not everyone has friends who live locally who are writers, so a little effort might be required.

Go to the local library and hang up a flyer. Go to the local bookstores. Advertise on craigslist, and advertise on the social media sites. Keep at it until you come up with the number of writers you are looking for.

ESTABLISH A MEETING PLACE

Usually these things are held at the homes of the writers, so either have one central meeting place or switch each week and have it at alternating houses.

You might also consider using a library meeting room or the backroom of a bookstore. Places like those are more than eager to help you with these sorts of undertakings. All you have to do is ask.

DETERMINE THE STRUCTURE OF YOUR GROUP

This is important so do it the first meeting. Why is it important? Because writers love to talk, and they love to get sidetracked, and before you know it small talk has eaten up fifty of your allotted sixty minutes and nothing has been accomplished.

The structure: what does an average meeting look like? You should be following some sort of format weekly or it will turn into a free-for-all and look like a Royal Rumble on WWF.

DETERMINE AGENDA

You may not want to do this; your choice completely. We have a schedule that we follow, broken down into definite chunks of time. Why? Same reason as above.

ESTABLISH GOALS

Also done first meeting. What is the purpose of your writing group? Are you there to write and critique? Are you there to just be a support group? Are you there to informally share ideas, or practice just poetry or just prose?

To avoid confusion you really need to get this taken care of at the first meeting and it should be agreed upon by all before you continue.

CHOOSE A MONITOR/LEADER

I have a natural aversion to leaders and know-it-alls who want to hijack a meeting and take it hostage. Having said that, I definitely see the need to have a monitor/leader if you are going to get anything done at all.

One person needs to be responsible for keeping the meetings on-track and headed in the right direction. That position can be rotated weekly or monthly, thus allowing everyone a chance to be “leader” and preventing hard feelings from occurring.

RE-EVALUATE CONSTANTLY

New ideas, new goals, different directions….hey, people change and the dynamics of your group might and probably will change as well. I would suggest you go over your agenda and goals quarterly and determine if they are the same or if they need to be changed.

Nice, relaxed setting for your group
Nice, relaxed setting for your group | Source

What do you think? Are you willing to try forming a writer's group?

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And That’s All There Is to It

And yes, that really is all there is to it. You can be as laidback or as formal as you choose. You can resemble a City Council meeting or a group of 60’s radicals with a cause.

Remember the reason you started the group in the first place….to improve and grow as a writer. Writing groups should always be a safe place of encouragement and positive growth. There is enough rejection in the writing world; don’t make your meeting a negative experience but rather one that each member looks forward to and embraces.

You now have your task for this week. Stop making excuses and consider starting your own writing group. You just might find, as this reluctant writer found, that you really do enjoy the experience.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Abby Campbell 3 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Well, good morning, Bill! Maybe I will hit "Post Comment" before anyone else and be the first to comment. Yay!

      So, why would I want to start a writing group? Aren't all writers weird artists? LOL... well, I guess that would be me talking about me. This is a great idea, Bill! Though I live in a rural community, it would be interesting to see how many writers are in my area. I only know of one other, but he writes history which is totally different from what I write. He is a lovely elderly man that I wouldn't mind getting together with to chat anyway. It would definitely be interesting to see how different writers go about their business... could be very informative. Thank you for the great encouragement, Bill. :-)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Abby and hooray, you made it number one! I think just talking to other writers is interesting, and sharing techniques and ideas.....who understands us other than other writers???

      Thanks my friend and I hope you have a great day on NC.

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Great advice and if I ever find a way to make this possible will try to follow your advice here. Thanks Bill and hoping you day is going good so far!

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      This is a good idea, Bill. In addition to the reasons you mention above, this could prove to be a good networking tool and a marketing tool. Maybe someone in the group has some clients they can turn you on to or at least steer you in the right direction. The other advantage would be to just have some human contact with people who are in the same profession. Writing is a lonely job, especially when you work from home. Even more so if you don't have a spouse or companion to be your cheerleader. Meeting with a group of writers would prove to be a much needed social outlet and a source of support at the same time. When you have only yourself for company, doubts start creeping in and sometimes motivation is affected as the result.

      This is a great idea. I will give it some serious thought. Thanx!

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      Randi Benlulu 3 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Good Morning, Bill! This is me attempting to play catch up. I took over a week off and have no idea where to start. Last year I went to my first writers group. I sure wish you had written this article before I went. It never occurred to me that their agenda wouldn't align with my own idea of what a writing group would be like! Despite the negative experience, I would like to find another group! Thank you for the tips! I will utilize them! I will also try to go back and read what I'vr missed! Have a great day!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Janine and I hope you have a great day as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, I knew you would give this some thought. By the way, there was a hub that came out yesterday about Fiverr...a new Hubber wrote it....and I was blown away by the amount of money some Hubbers are making on that site....just a thought....if you want me to send you the link to the article I will.

      Hugs coming your way

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well Randi, you just have to start your own group so that the agenda is one you want. :) Simple solution!

      As for catching up, don't bother on my stuff. There will always be something new for you to read, and I'm glad you took a week off.

      Thank you Randi and have a great day.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      That would be awesome, Bill. I've been trying to find other sites that pay well for content - and not ppc sites - it has to be paid per article. That's the way I need to go right now in order to generate some income. I'm living off savings at the moment and that's scary. It won't last so something's got to give! I don't want to be forced to put my writing on the back burner...... that would kill me.

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      A writers group is a great motivator. I had an online group a few years ago. We "met" via an online novel writing workshop and decided to continue together after the workshop ended. It motivated me to keep working on my novel to have something to share with the group. Unfortunately, we all got busy with other things and the group fizzled out. And, not coincidentally, that was about the same time I started slacking badly on the novel.

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      Aga 3 years ago

      Fantastic idea, a great way to spend time, and I am sure it could be very motivating and inspiring!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, get to work....after you clean the house of course. LOL

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, I think your story is a common one. Life has a way of getting in the way...and it's a shame, really, because I think there is great value in a face-to-face writer's group. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Monis, I think you would find value in it if you do it...good luck and thanks!

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      I went to a writer's group in the area and like Randi...not impressed. I think finding writers who are simpatico with is a one to one thing unless you get lucky. I also like writers who have some marketing savvy as we know how important that is. However, you pointed out the best and I am up for it...now just find those writers and authors.

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      Bernadyn 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida

      This article came at the perfect time since I was seriously thinking about starting a writer's group with friends. Useful tips here and I like the idea of switching up leaders. Thanks for this; encourages me to talk about it more with friends and other local writers!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      BNadyn, I'm very glad to hear that. Good luck in forming your group and I hope it works out for you as ours has.

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      Victoria Lynn 3 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      I've actually been thinking about this. There is a group in my area, but I think the focus is on fiction. A fellow social worker and I were talking about perhaps starting a non-fiction group. Something to think about. Your hub really caught my eye this morning. Thanks!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, without a doubt finding a simpatico group of writers is important. I would not go if I didn't get along with the members. Whenever you deal with human beings you run the risk of there being a rotten apple. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cool Vickie! They really are easy to organize and I find them beneficial....and hey, if it doesn't work out, it cost you nothing to try. :) Thanks for stopping by my Arkansas friend.

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      Liz Davis 3 years ago from Hudson, FL

      But I wanna be in YOUR group! Waaaaahhhhh!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, as soon as you get your butt out here you will be. I'll make you the Sergeant At Arms of our group and you can rule with an iron hand. :)

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      Deanna Balestra 3 years ago from St. Louis, MO

      Super useful!

      I have a hard time getting my own husband to read my writing so I usually turn to writing groups online. I've written over at Wattpad for a while now, it has a lot of younger writers there but it's fun to help them out and the adults are there you just have to know where to look, ha!

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      Melissa Propp 3 years ago from Minnesota

      Wow, your timing is incredible. I just started checking into the NANOWRIMO site and took the plunge and signed up for the November challenge of writing a first draft (50,000 words) in that month. They also have "regions" set up across the country (and intl) so that you can get together with other like-minded writers. I was just thinking about joining one of those groups yesterday, and here you are writing about it today. Perfect! I think getting together with other writers in person is a wonderful, but very scary and intimidating, idea. It would be way outside my comfort zone, but I bet it would be very worthwhile.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, congratulations on signing up for the Nano Write...that's a big step for you and I'm proud of you. I look forward to hearing about the experience.

      Thanks for stopping by my friend and have a great week.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Deanna!

      Luckily I am married to a woman who loves my work and can't hear enough of it. LOL What you said about your husband is actually quite common; thus, writer's groups are the only way to go. Best of luck to you and if you ever need any help I'm around.

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      Dianna Mendez 3 years ago

      I tried joining a couple groups around here but found they were not focused. You have me thinking about forming a new group.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, that's why we formed our own. I wouldn't be able to join someone else's knowing myself the way I do. :) Thanks for stopping by and I hope you are well my friend.

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      Billionaire Brains 3 years ago from Washington, DC

      I'm a member of a few writer's groups and they're awesome! teaches12345 is actually very smart to start her own, because many of them that you just walk into aren't focused and may not have what you're looking for.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      I've wanted to do this, but was either too lazy or lacked the courage. Anyway, like you mentioned, HubPages is okay as a writing community for now. Still hoping to do this when I settle. Thank you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Shadow and I completely agree with you. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, I love your honesty. LOL I think you speak for quite a few writers.

      Thank you as always.

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      Hawaiian Odysseus 3 years ago from Southeast Washington state

      Hi, Bill!

      I already belong to a writer's group. It's here on HP, and my leader is billybuc. Ever hear of the dude? He runs it as a contemporary liberal with occasional flashbacks to the radical 60's! The group has grown tremendously, and yet none are ever rejected.

      Have a good day, buddy! My son ordered me a 2014 Writer's Market, and I'm happy to report that it's due on my front porch any day now! Thanks for encouraging me (all of us) to get a hold of one. As great a tool as it is, it means nothing if I don't make use of it. To that end, I hope to be a utilitarian writer very, very soon!

      Aloha, my friend, and see you at the next meeting!

      ~Joe

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      Deonne Anderson 3 years ago from Florence, SC

      I've frequently thought about joining a writer's group, but never about

      starting one. HP serves my purpose for now. Good information for those interested in starting such a group. Voted up, interesting and sharing.

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      Elizabeth Parker 3 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Excellent advice, Bill. There are so many advantages to belonging to a writer's group. I haven't thought about creating one, but I might have to add that to my list of things to do. If I talk to someone who is NOT a writer about any issues I may face, they kind of look at me like they are bored, so it might be beneficial to my non-writer friends if I find a group (or start one) of my own. Possibly in the near future! Thanks for the info and tips. Always wonderful!

      Liz

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good afternoon Joe! I trust this finds you well and happy my friend.

      And none will ever be rejected from my writer's group. :)

      Glad to hear you have the Writer's Market heading your way. Big things are in your future my friend. Amazing what we are capable of when we have our head on straight and we focus.

      Aloha and blessings to you always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Lady! HP does provide many things we need....and I'm glad it is serving you well. Thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liz, I always get strange reactions when someone asks me what I do for a living and I tell them I'm a writer....I always expect the next question to be....."but what do you do for income?" LOL

      Good luck to you Liz. I'm a big fan of yours.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skin, that is the key of course....forming the right group of people who all have similar needs. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Hi Bill, great idea!...this was suggested to me by a friend some time ago, but I must confess, I'm not really good at joining groups. Heaven knows how I stumbled unto HP and this amazing group of writers.

      I've learned so much from you especially, but also from some wonderful people here, so it's something to think about, a poetry group could be rather interesting!...I'll have to get out of my comfort zone sooner or later. Another excellent write my friend, best wishes to you as always.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Very interesting idea here, dear Bill.

      I have heard of book clubs and small groups gathering to study the Bible too, but I have never heard of a writing group. And when I read your title, the firs thing that popped into my head was, well, it will surely have to be structured and have very specific criteria set out beforehand to get whatever purpose of the writing group's focus is to be about no doubt. Then you went and explained that very important fact to take under consideration when starting a writer's group, as I can see how it could be derailed very easily, as to those factors you have indicated here.

      Hugs and blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I know all about those comfort zones.....I'm running out of time so I need to escape while I can. :)

      You are such a loyal friend and I greatly appreciate you.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith my dear, it is always nice to see you pop up in Billybuc Land. We got lucky with our group; we all get along very well and everyone is receptive to suggestions. Not always so with every writer's group. Egos have a way of ruining the harmony sometimes.

      Thank you my dear and blessings to you always

      bill

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I think this is a great idea. Thank you for the info. I joined a blog today. Blubblew.com. So many of our good writers have gone there. Thank you for all your help. I appreciate you...

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Yes, always exploring, Victoria Lynn just published an excellent hub of her first week at that site and it sounds great and a lot of fun too.

      Bill, you are not running out of time. I am glad you are still here, as you had indicated back in July you were backing off then.

      Hugs

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. My group forming days are done.

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      Bronwen Scott-Branagan 3 years ago from Victoria, Australia

      Wow! So many comments! A very popular topic. I used to belong to a State group, but I no longer enjoy going out in the evenings. However, for all those enthusiastic younger writers, this is such a great, encouraging hub.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Great suggestions in starting a writers group always something new from you and filled with great thought

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 3 years ago from Riga, Latvia

      Voted up and interesting. Very good suggestions Bill. Don't have a possibility to do it here but will pass this on.

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      Mark Johann 3 years ago from Italy

      This is one in a million idea bill. Now I know why this hub has lots and lots of followers and commentators. Starting a writer's group is perfect.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, you are one of many to head to Bubblews...I hope that site appreciates you more than HP has....thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, at 64 I am definitely running out of time. :)

      love and blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes they are, Martin, but not your impact. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Blossom, I understand your comment completely....I don't like leaving my home in the evenings either. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE.....stay fresh, that's my goal. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rasma, it is nice to see you again. Thanks for stopping by and giving me some support.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, I just have a lot of friends who feel sorry for me. LOL Thanks for being one of them.

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      Connie Smith 3 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Billy, what an awesome idea! Sorry I'm late getting here again--more rain and high winds yesterday and the day before. Still waiting on the tree cutter guy, but I have hope.

      Anyway, I can see how forming a writer's group would be a useful undertaking, and I'm seriously contemplating doing this. Thanks for the shove, my friend ;) Pearl

      Voted Up+++

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pearl, a very gentle shove and you are very welcome. I'm glad you had a nice walk, and thanks for stopping by for a visit after your nature walk.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Good morning Bill, I think that having a writer's group is a wonderful idea. It's good to hear that Bev has encouraged you to step out of the comfort zone. I wish you lived closer. lol. I think you would be a good leader and mentor to us all. I support you my friend. voted up+++

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      This would be kind of nice. to share and use each other as a sounding board. Drawing on the strengths of others can only make us become better writers.

      Thank you for sharing another clever suggestion, Bill.

      Angels are on the way carrying hugs and all to you and your family ps

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Marlene...I wish a lot of us lived closer. We could meet for coffee once a week and enjoy each other as friends do. :) That would be so nice.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, it is a great way of using each other as sounding boards.....much more fun than I thought it would be, and very useful.

      I'll take those angels my friend and trade you some hugs and blessings

      bill

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      Cheryl Simonds 3 years ago from Connecticut

      Great adivce, billybuc, you have really gotten me thinking it might work in my area. Thanks!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      cherylone, I'm really glad to hear that. Good luck and thank you for the visit.

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Your hubs are always making me consider it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, if that is true then I've done my job as a writer. Thank you!

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      That is an excellent idea, but to be honest, I wish I lived closer to Washington so I could be in your group.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, I'll save a seat for you if you ever head this way. :) Thanks and enjoy Boomer Lake this weekend.

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      I don't need no fancy Writers' Group, Bill, I got you . . . babe! :) (courtesty of Cher)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      drbj, I'll take good care of you, babe! LOL

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      mylindaelliott 3 years ago from Louisiana

      I don't know what it is but the two writer's groups I belonged to didn't work. They just sort of fell apart.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      mylinda, that happens. Sometimes it is hard to get a group together that meshes well. I'm sorry you had that experience.

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      Eric Calderwood 3 years ago from USA

      I have thought about joining a writer's group from time to time. For me I think I would have to find one that is already going. The idea of forming one myself is very unappealing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Eric...you are not alone. I have heard that from quite a few writers.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      My first time reading this. Thanks for the encouragement. A great idea for me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are very welcome, Dora! Thank you!

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