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How to Submit Your Poetry to Literary Journals

Updated on December 26, 2014
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If you want to be a published poet, the final step in the process is to submit your work. This can be a tedious and overwhelming ordeal to a new writer. It took me hours of research and years of perfecting my submission process before I became comfortable with it. Submitting your work is part skill, part lottery, and part determination. Below is the process that I use to submit my work along with tips, templates, and a list of poetry journals that I submit to regularly.

Publication Guidelines

Every journal has its own set of guidelines. Most are similar guidelines, such as the number of pieces to send in per submission, their submission dates, and how to submit. Some journals have their own submission manager on their website. Others prefer that you submit via email. Some prefer attachments while others want your cover letter and work submitted directly in the body of the email. Even if you choose from the list of poetry journals below, be sure to check each website before you submit to make sure their guidelines have not changed. It is important to follow the rules to ensure that your submission does not get looked over. The competition is fierce enough.

As of this year, these journals allow for free, electronic submissions and, unless otherwise noted, accept simultaneous submissions (meaningyou can submit your poems to other journals while they are considering them).


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Recommended Literary Journals

521 Magazine

  • five2onemag.onimpression.com/

Weird poems and stories. Strange, odd, bizarre, psychotic. 3-6 poems, short stories or both. Fiction under 2,000 words in a word doc. Put a letter Q in the title. Payment in copies. Feb 2-June 12.

521magazine@gmail.com


Abyss and Apex

Email: abyssandapex@gmail.com

Copy submissions into body of email. No simultaneous or multiple submissions. Indicate type of submission in body along with title of submission.


A Clean, Well-Lighted Place

  • lightedplace.com/submit.html

Year round. Submit on site with bio. Up to 5 poems. Year round. 10-30 days. Pay: 1 copy.


AGNI

  • Website: https://www.bu.edu/agni/submit.html

Online submission manager. Response: 2-4 months Pay: 6 copies and small monetary payment.

Fiction/poetry/essays/reviews/interview. No word limits.

Fiction: 1 story ($10/page). Send as attachments. Double space.

Poetry: 5 poems ($20/page). Submit in body of email.

September 1- May 31


Adanna

  • Adannajournal.blogspot.com

Single file attachment: adannasubmissions@yahoo.com

No prev. published. 6 poems or 2000 words of prose. Simultaneous accepted.

Contact info and 3-4 line bio. 4-8 weeks response. Check online for submission dates.

Pay: 1 copy


Amethyst Arsenic

Jan 1-Dec. 31

Less than 3 mos response (30 days or less usually). Check site for reading pds. Submit on site. $5/poem $50 if nominated for Pushcart Prize. Prev. published okay. No bio until accepted. Just put name in CL section. 3-5 poems in single word doc. See site for submission periods.



Better: Culture and Lit.

  • bettermagazine.org

Simultaneous accepted


Black Warrior Review

  • bwr.ua.edu/submit/guidelines

submit every 6 months. 3-5 months response. No prev. published. Payment in copies + nominal fee. Submit on site: 5 poems in 1 doc with the titles separated by commas in “submission title” field.


Blast Furnace


Blue Lake Review

  • Bluelakereview.weebly.com/submission-guidelins.html

Use submittable on site.

Short bio in CL. 5 poems.


The Boiler

  • theboilerjournal.com/guidelines/

submit on site. 3-5 poems. Lyrical. CL with 3-5 sentence bio.


  • Bone Bouquet

Submit on site: bonebouquet.submittable.com/submit

5 pages poetry


Boxcar Poetry Review

3-5 poems. Simultaneous okay. No pay. Submit on site. See site for submission periods.


Broad!

  • broadzine.com/submissions

check site for submission dates. 12 weeks response. Poetry: 50 lines or fewer. 5 entries/issue. PDF or Word Document. See site for submission dates (Jan-December).

broadzine@gmail.com


Calyx

  • calyxpress.org/submission.html

Oct. 1-December 31

Poetry: 6 poems, Prose: 5,000 words

Use submissions manager on site.

Simultaneous accepted.

Pay: copies + 1 volume subscription following that issue.

Will take book reviews – choose from list on site.


Canteen

  • canteenmag.com/submit

Submit on site. Year Round. Word attachment. 4,000 words of poetry. 3 copies/pay. Images too.


Chagrin River Review

  • chagrinriverreview.submittable.com/submit

1-5 poems in single file. Submit on site. Brief bio.


Cerise Press

  • Website: http://www.cerisepress.com/guidelines

Email: submissions@cerisepress.com

Poetry: 3-5 poems

Stories: 1 story (up to 15 pages)

Cover letter with brief bio. Recent publications. Open year round. More than twice/year.

Response: 2-3 months

Payment: none


Cleaver Magazine

  • cleavermagazine.submittable.com/submit.

See site for submission dates (year round). 2-4 weeks. Bio. Submit on site (up to 5 poems).


Columbia

  • columbiajournal.submittable.com/submit

5 pages. March 1-Oct. 31. Submit online. Payment in copies.


Common Ground Review

  • cgreview.org

submissions@cgreview.org. Email one attachment. Poetry under 61 lines. UP to 3 poems. See site for submission dates. Pay: 1 copy.


Conclave: A Journal of Character

  • conclavejournal.com/submissions/submissions.html

free e-copies. Submit on site. Poems 1,000 words or less.

Contrary

Submit on site. Use submission form. Poetry/Fiction/Commentary/other. Include word count. Last name in file name. Accepts year round.

Pay: $20 via check or Paypal.



  • Damselfly Press

damselflypress.net/submissions/

Submit online with genre in email header. 3 poems.

lesley@damselflypress.net


Danforth Review

Online submission manager.

Fiction: 6-8 short stories/6 months. 5,000 words max. ($100/story)

Response: 1 month

Pay: None.


The Doctor T.J. Eckleberg Review

Fiction: 4,000 words (closer to 1,500).

Poetry: up to 5 poems

Will consider previously published. Submit on site.

Response: 1 month

Pay: 5 cents/word and 1 copy in annual issue. Not monthly.


Earthshine

Website: http://www.ruminations.us/esSubmission.htm

Pasted into the email. No simultaneous or published submissions.

Poetry: 1-6 poems twice/year

Payment: two copies

Response: 1 month


Fail Better

  • failbetter.com/Submit.php

4-6 poems. 8-12 weeks response. Put “submission” in subject line of email. No attachments.

submissions@failbetter.com


Falling Star

Up to 5 pieces per issue.

Poetry: 5-30 lines of poetry preferred about people, places, moments in time we’ve all experienced or hope we never have to. 7-10 pieces/ published issue. Fill out submissions page on website.

Pay: 2 copies and nominal pay.


Florida Review

Reads year round. SASE, prose, poetry, visual art (paper photos or CD)

Poetry: 5 poems.

Fiction: 1 story/essay (double spaced). Up to 15 pages.

August – May

Include cover letter with name, address, phone, email, titles. Simultaneous accepted. Submit on site.


Flyway

  • Website: http://flyway.org/

September 1- May 1

SASE for reply. Environment-based themes preferred. Online submission manager.

Fiction: 1 story to 5,000 words

Short Short stories: 3 short shorts

Poetry: Up to 5 poems.

Non-fiction: up to 7,000 words.

Response: up to four months

Payment: in copies


Four Way Review

  • fourwayreview.com/submit

5 poems in doc file, CL. Year round. 60 days response. Submit on site.


Glass

  • glass-poetry.com

Sept 1-May 31

glasspoetry@yahoo.com

Put NAME + SUBMISSION in subject line. No attachments. 4 poems. Any length. CL and bio. Indicate general submission or theme. 4-6 months response.


Glimmer Train Stories

Email: info@glimmertrain.com

Website: www.glimmertrain.com

Editor: Linda Burmeister Davie. Stories: 1,200-8,000 words ($500/story) January, April, July, October. Up to three stories per reading month. Response: 12 weeks.


Gulf Coast

  • Website: https://gulfcoastmag.org/submit/

Typed, double spaced. Paginated. Name, address, phone on page 1. Title on other pages. Indicate editor (poetry, fiction, etc.). Use online manager. Check online for submission periods.

Fiction – double spaced. Up to 7,000 words. Name, address, phone and email on first page. Title on subsequent pages.

Poetry: 3-5 poems. Name, address, phone, email each page.

Pay: $30/poem. $20/page of prose up to $150.


Indigest

  • Indigestmag.com/blog/?page_id=17#UX1qtakR-nI

Online manager. See site for submission dates. 3-6 poems.


James Dickey Review

Word attachment to jamesdickeyreview@lynchburg.edu. 5 poems. Pay: 1 copy.

Jubilat

  • Jubilat.org/jubilat/about/office/submit/

Sept 1-April 1. Use online manager. 3-4 poems.



The Kenyon Review

Website: www.kenyonreview.org

September 15th- January 15th

Editor: David H. LynnNo simultaneous submissions. Online manager.

Fiction and essays: to 7,500 words ($10/page)

Poetry: 6 poems Response: up to 4 months


Knockout

  • Knockoutmagazine.submittable.com/submit.

3-5 poems. Year round. Pay: 1 copy. All in one file. 100 submissions will cause them to temporarily close. See site for submission pds.


Lavender Review

  • lavrev.net.submit.html

6 unpublished poems or 6 images (.jpg)

email: lavenderreview@gmail.com


The MacGuffin

Email: macguffin@schoolcraft.edu

Poetry: up to 400 lines. Up to 5 poems.

Fiction: 5,000 words. Include word count. Double spaced. 1 story.

Payment: two copies.

No previously published. Titles and bio. On cover. No staples. Name/email/address on each page. Word count. Simultaneous accepted. Email submissions.

Response: 8-12 weeks.


Main Street Rag

Word attachment to: editor@mainstreetrag.com

Name and shipping address in file. Genre in subject line.

Poetry: 6 pages 3-6 weeks response

No prev. published or simultaneous submissions

Fiction: 6,000 words max. 6-8 weeks response.



Mid-American Review

Fiction: 1 story to 6,000 words

Poetry: 6 poems max, no length limit

Submit via online manager.

Simultaneous accepted year round.



Mudlark

Email: mudlark@unf.edu

University of North Florida/Department of English

4567 St. Johns Bluff Road.

South Jacksonville, FL 32224-2645

Editor: William Slaughter

Online journal of poetry and non-fiction essays on poetry. Electronic journal.

Response: 1-30 days

Poems with news in them. Prefer no mult. Submissions.



One Story

Fiction: 3,000-8,000 words. 1 short story.

Submit online. .rtf files no more than 500 kb. No previously published in North America.

Payment: $100 and 15 copies

Response: 4-12 weeks

September 1-May 31


Pacifica and Meridian

  • pacificaandmeridian.submittable.com/submit

$15-$30.Year round. Original, unpublished.

Simultaneous accepted. Header: name, title, date, page #’s. 3 poems.


Pear Noir

  • Website: http://www.pearnoir.com/

Email: pearnoir@gmail.com

Fiction, nonfiction, poetry up to 7,500 words.

February 1st-May 31st

August 1st – November 30th

Simultaneous accepted. No previously published. Name and title in subject line.

Address, short bio and publication history in the body.

Pay: $5.00 and a postcard and 1 copy.

Response: 2-3 months.


Pedestal Magazine

Email: pedestalmagazine@aol.com

Poetry: up to 6 poems ($40/poem)

Fiction: up to 6,000 words (5 cents/word)

Go online for submission dates.

Response: 1-2 months


Prime Mincer

  • Primemincer.com/submissions.html

3 poems in 1 document. Online manager.


Prime Number

  • Primenumbermagazine.com/submit.html

Submit on site. Payment: 1 copy. 3 poems.


Raleigh

Use submission manager. Simultaneous accepted.

Poetry: 4-5 poems. Name and address on each. Cover letter.

Flash fiction: up to 1,200 words.

Art: PDF file.

Pay: $10/accepted title.

Poems already published: poetry@theraleighreview.org In the subject heading of your email, please include the following:[Last Name - Fortnightly Poem] If the poem was published previously, please indicate both the place as well as the issue number and/or the date in the body of your email.

Year round.

submit@raleighquarterly.com


Rattle

Email: submissions@rattle.com

Year round. Simultaneous accepted. No previously published. Online reviews. Paste submission in the body. Title of email “(Name)-submission.” Bio. – who you are and why you love poetry. Indicate simultaneous.

Poetry: unlimited.

Payment: 2 copies.

Response: 4-8 weeks


Room

No prev. published. Simutaneous accepted.

Submit online: http://room.submishmash.com/submit.

CL – prev. published/awards/programs/contact info/word count.

Poetry: 5 poems. Fiction: 3,500 words.


  • Seeding The Snow

seedingthesnow.net/submissions.shtml

submissions@seedingthesnow.net in attachment.

Women and the Environment


Smartish Pace

Email: sppoems@gmail.com

Name, address, email, phone in upper corner of each poem.

Only first and last name in the subject line. Body includes name, address, email, poem titles, bio. Poems attached in word document. Contact info. At the top and bio. At the bottom.

Poetry – up to 6 poems. Any line length.

Bio – publication credits, occupation, born/live, awards, grants, edu.

Simultaneous accepted. Send email if accepted. SASE for reply.

1 submission per year. Year round submissions.

Response: 8 months

Pay: 1 copy


Spinning Jenny

  • spinning_jenny.com/submit.html

6 poems. 4 months response. submit@spinningjenny.com


Stoneboat

  • Stoneboatwi.com/submit.html

Use submittable on website. 3-5 poems, CL, bio. 1 copy. See site for reading periods.



Tar River Poetry

Email: TarRiverPoetry@gmail.com

Email submissions only. Pasted into the email or .doc attachment. Subject line: “(Name)-submission”. Go online for submission dates.

Poetry: up to 5 ($25/page and 2 copies)

September 1 – May 1


The First Line – Blue Cubicle Press

  • PO Box 250382

Plano, TX 75025-0382

Email: submission@thefirstline.com; info@thefirstline.com

Website: www.thefirstline.com (quarterly)

Editors: David LaBounty and Jeff Adams

Celebrates the first line.

Fiction: all stories must stem from the same first line: 300-3,000 words

Nonfiction: essays about a first line from a book or story: $300/1,000 words

Payment: $10/story and one copy

Contact: Robin LaBounty, manuscript coordinator


Third Coast

  • Website: http://www.thirdcoastmagazine.com/

Online submission manager: www.thirdcoastmagazine.com/submissions

Simultaneous accepted.

Poetry and prose separate. Author’s name, address, email, phone on page 1. Page numbers, author’s name/title on all pages.

Response: 4 months

Poetry: typed, single spaced. Up to 5 poems. Max. 15 pages. Garamond 12 pt. font.

Pay: 2 copies and subscription


Toasted Cheese

  • Website: http://tclj.toasted-cheese.com/

Email: submit@toasted-cheese.com

Fiction, flash fiction, creative nonfiction poetry. Paste into email body. Include cover letter with short bio. Go online for submission dates. No simultaneous submissions. Subject line: (genre) submission (name)

Flash: 500 max

Poetry: up to 5.


Torrid

  • Torridliterature.com/submit.html

3 poems + brief bio. Submit on site. 8 weeks response.


Vine Leaves

  • Vineleavesliteraryjournal.com/guidelines.html

See site for submission dates. Submit on site. 3 poems under 40 lines. $5 acceptance.


Weave Magazine – Facebook

Email: weavezine.gmail.com

Simultaneous accepted. Poetry: 3-5 poems. No line limit. Fiction: 6,000 words (no genre) Creative Nonfiction: 6,000 words

Flash fiction – 3 pieces Visual: B&W photo, pen and ink. Pay: 2 copies. Name on all pages.



West Branch

  • Website: www1.bucknell.edu/WestBranch/submit.html

Unpublished only. Typed, paginated, name on each page. Mark simultaneous submissions. SASE. Name on each page. Online submission manager. Limit three submissions at a time.

Prose: double spaced, word count. Up to 30 pages.

Poetry: up to 6.

Response: 10 weeks. Email after 5 months if no response.

Email: westbranch@bucknell.edu; wbfiction@bucknell.edu

Pay: $10/page. $20 minimum. $100 max. 2 copies. 1 year subscription. $200/assigned book review.

August 15- April 15


Willow Springs

  • willowsprings.ewu.edu/submit.php

Closed June 1-Aug. 31

8 weeks response. Pay: 2 copies. Submit online. 3-5 poems. 1 PDF.


Witness

  • Website: http://witness.blackmountaininstitute.org/submit/

Fiction: 1,000-10,000 words. 1 story. ($25/1,500 words)

Poetry: 5 poems. Stanza breaks double spaced. ($25/poem) Contact info on page 1. No previously published. Simultaneous accepted. Online manager.

Response: 2 weeks.


Workers Write

  • Workerswritejournal.com

$5-$50. 500-5,000 words. See site for themes and email addresses.


The Writing Disorder

  • thewritingdisorder.com/submit.html

poetry@thewritingdisorder.com

5-8 poems. Email submission. CL with publication credits. Word attachment 3 months response.


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Create A Cover Letter

Most journals like to have a cover letter with every submission. Keep it to one page and describe your writing history, publication history, and explain what you are submitting. Add any specifics requested on the journal’s website (such as the names of your poems). Below is a template that I use with every submission.


Sample Cover Letter

(Name)

(Address)

(Date)


To the Poetry Editor(s) of _____________ :

Background (schooling, writing background, writing interests).

Publication History

Enclosed are # poems for your consideration. I would like to acknowledge that I do plan on submitting these pieces to several publications and will notify you immediately if any are accepted elsewhere. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,


(Name)

(Phone Number)

(Email)

(Website or Author Page)

Document Your Submissions

Once you have submitted your work, you have to keep track of your submissions so that you know what pieces you have submitted and where. I have submitted to some journals multiple times with no accepted pieces. I have submitted to other journals just once and been accepted. If you plan to submit more than once to a journal, you have to keep track of which pieces you are submitting to each one. Below is a chart that I use to record every submission that I send out. I even color code the submissions so that I know which ones have been rejected, which ones have been published, and which ones are still out there.

Example:

Color code:

red: rejected

blue: accepted

green: sent out

violet: needs to be resubmitted (problem with an attachment, email address or submissions manager)

orange: out of business

no color: needs to be sent out

Sample of Poetry Submissions Chart

Name of Publication
Titles of Works
Date Submitted
Accepted/Rejected
Date
Poetry Magazine
Poem 1, Poem 2, Poem 3, Poem 4, Poem 5
January 1, 2014
Rejected
February 15, 2014
Poetry Journal
Poem 1, Poem 2, Poem 3
January 1, 2014
Rejected
March 1, 2014
Poetry Quarterly
Poem 1, Poem 2, Poem 3, Poem 4
January 1, 2014
Accepted
March 15, 2014

Because I have self-diagnosed OCD, I also write down a hard copy version of each submission on a handmade chart in case anything ever happens with my file. After a few dozen submissions were sent out, I began to have a hard time figuring out which poems had already been submitted to each journal. It took hours to sort through all of my previous submissions to track which poems had gone out to a particular publication. So, I made a second chart where I list the name of each journal and the poems I have submitted to each one. I alphabetized the journals in a Word Document and add to them with each submission. It sounds like a lot of work, but it’s even more work to figure out which poems to submit every time you want to send out more pieces.

Keeping track of these things as you go keeps you better organized and more efficient. I can also see at a glance how many poems I have submitted to each journal to decide which ones I should try again and which ones just don’t seem to like my work. When I see those, I take a break from them, at least until I write some new poems.

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Some Things to Consider

- Don’t expect a response in the event of a decline. Some journals receive too many submissions to respond to them all. If you don’t hear from them in six months, they probably didn’t accept them.

- That being said, do not withdraw your work, especially if you are sending in simultaneous submissions. I read a poet who said that one of her poems was accepted for publication over a year after she submitted it. I didn’t think this was possible until it happened to me. One year after submitting my work, I had a poem accepted for publication. It’s rare, but it’s satisfying.

- Don’t expect your best poems to be the ones that bite. I myself have no idea what draws people to the work that gets accepted. Some pieces that I consider my best work have never been published while others that I threw in just for good measure have been accepted right away. There is no logic behind it. Just keep anything worth submitting in the mix, and hope for the best.

- Don’t expect overnight success. I submitted poetry for about three years until I was accepted into a journal that wasn’t college-based. I was warned about this ahead of time while in college. One professor said to expect about one accepted piece for every 100 poems you submit, and he was a well-respected poet. It makes non-writers say, “Why bother?” while other writers would say, “count me in.” The thrill of writing is getting published and having someone else say that your work counts for something. The competition for this feeling is fierce so there’s no other way to achieve this without giving it your all and getting rejected over and over again until you get it right. Once you do get that first acceptance letter or email, you crave more of the euphoric feeling that you get from being published.

- Don’t expect to get rich – or even to get paid. My work has been published 10 times, and I was paid once for my work, a whopping $10.00. Starting out, most journals are small and can only afford to pay in copies. Consider this before submitting. If you want more than to see your name in print, you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. Once you build up some publication history, you can start to submit to the journals that pay. I broke away from poetry when I started writing novels so my publication history in the poetry department has been less frequent. This just goes to show that you have to keep at it in order to gain any ground in the publishing industry. So, if this is not what you enjoy doing, get out while you can or switch to a different genre.

- Don’t shell out money for postage. I specifically chose journals above that didn’t have a reading fee or a snail mail requirement. When I first started to submit work right out of college (a mere six years ago), electronic submissions where still pretty scarce. I had to mail all of my submissions in a manila envelope with a self-addressed stamped envelope (SASE) included for them to mail back my rejection letter. It was a very costly process which I only did because I was desperate to become a published writer. I’m happy to say that there are so many publications out there that allow for free, electronic submissions that you don’t have to waste your time with the others. The competition is fierce no matter where you submit. Why should you have to pay for a likely rejection these days?

- Most journals will encourage you to buy a subscription to their journal. This can be costly, especially if you plan to submit to several journals. Many offer a sample copy at a reduced rate. Others will give you a free subscription if you enter a poetry contest that they are holding as part of your reading fee. This is a good deal as it gets you a shot at publication and a subscription to the journal that you are looking into. I have to admit, I didn’t read up on the journals that I was submitting to and was going at it blind for a long time. Check websites to see if they have samples of work that they have accepted. See if it’s the place for you. Make sure they are not doing any theme issues that do not correspond with any of your pieces. Basically, try not to waste your time or money.

Publication History

Once some of my pieces were accepted for publication, I created a new Word Document where I kept track of all of my publications. Some journals even ask for a separate document with this information. It is also useful to have on hand when submitting to other genres, such as novel and agent submissions. A list of publication credits is often requested, and keeping it on standby ahead of time gives you one less thing to prepare when submitting your work.

Journals Where I Have Been Published

Name of Publication
Date
Title of Poem
Torrid
June 17, 2013
First Day of High School
James Dickey
May 13, 2013
Unsold Aquarium Fish
Lavender Review
August 2, 2012
When I Used to Like Books
Blast Furnace Press
May 16, 2012
Crossword
Rune Literary Journal
March 29, 2012
you once rode your bike down devil’s hill
Falling Star Magazine
August 26, 2010
A Driving Lesson from My New Parents, Two Days Old
Voices from the Garage
June 12, 2010
I Met You On Your Worst Day
Rune
March 18, 2010
The Closet

Conclusion

In the end, I hope that this guide has given you a realistic yet encouraging view of the small publishing world. Your quest for publication starts here, and it’s typically a long road ahead. Don’t get discouraged or hold tight to any statistics or rumors that you have heard. There is a published for your work out there somewhere. You just have to hit the right place at the right time. It can be discouraging, but it pays off, especially if your main goal is to see your name in print. Good luck

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      Laura Smith 2 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      Thanks for reading! Good luck!

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      poetryman6969 2 years ago

      You deliver some detailed information here thanks. I will probably avoid the psychotic poetry but I might try my hand and the weird, strange and bizarre poetry!

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      Breanne Ginsburg 2 years ago

      Thanks for the list. I write a lot of poetry but sometimes I don't know where to send it! Congratulations on all of your publications!

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      Laura Smith 3 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      Thanks! I hope she goes for it.

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      FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

      I could just hug you for this! My daughter is a very talented poet and short story writer and I'd love to encourage her by showing her that she might get them published. Voted up and sharing for all those poets out there in Hubland!

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      Laura Smith 3 years ago from Pittsburgh, PA

      Thanks! Good luck!

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      Dora Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      Thanks for your "realistic yet encouraging view" of poetry publishing. I'm bookmarking this page as a reference. You have been very helpful. Thanks also for sharing from your own experience.