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Kingkiller Chronicles Book 3 / Day 3

Updated on January 13, 2013

The Story So Far: Kingkiller Chronicles Day one and two

Kingkiller Chronicles Trilogy

Patrick Rothfuss’ Kingkiller chronicle trilogy has had a fantastic reception across the world, due in part no doubt to the significant appetite for fantasy fiction fuelled largely by George R R Martin’s Song of Ice and Fire series. Currently consisting of just the first two books, the series ends at the moment with Kingkiller Chronicles book 2, the Wise Man’s Fear, which leaves the reader on a hell of a cliff hanger and very anxious to find out precisely what’s going to happen to the hero of the books, Kvothe. The first book the name of the wind ended on a similarly gripping note, leaving us desparate to find out what happens next.

Kingkiller Chronicles Day one and two

Progress through the narrative of Kvothe’s life has been noticeably slow, with two full novels taking us only as far as his late teens. A huge amount has happened to Kvothe during The Kingkiller Chronicles first book the Name of the Wind and The Kingkiller Chronicles second book The Wise Man’s Fear, but in what we know is going eventually to be a three-book series (Kote tells the Chronicler in book one that relating the story of his life will take precisely three days, and so far one day relates directly to one novel) it’s surprising that we’ve not really got far beyond Kvothe’s university days and that there is so much of his notorious life still to cover. This leaves a large proportion of the Kingkiller Chronicles to be covered in Kingkiller Chronicles book three. So far, not one king has been introduced, let alone killed!

A terrific central character, Kvothe is the narrator and the hero the Kingkiller Chronicle books. Kvothe is by birth one of the Edema Ruh, a nomadic troupe of actors and performers who are morally upright and family-centred, but considered by most of society to be among the lowest of the low and little more than traveling bandits. Following the catastrophic murder of his family and troupe by the Chandrian, a group of demons straight out of his world’s mythic past, Kvothe enrols in the Arcanium, capitalising on his terrific natural aptitude for the subject by training to be a wizard. His story forms the basis of Kingkiller Chronicle book one, Kingkiller Chronicle book two and Kingkiller Chronicle book three, and is narrated to a historian in the setting of an inn owned by Kvothe later in his life. This cunning narration method allows us the insight of a first-person narrative while still being able to keep some secrets tantalisingly on display by having the older Kvothe refusing to divulge certain aspects of his life. What is it that made Kvothe disappear from public life prior to the start of Kingkiller Chronicles Day 1? How did Kvothe meet Bast? Just how old is the older Kvothe- is he telling stories from 30 years ago, or 5? With the time Kvothe spent in the Fae, is age meaningless anyway? How did the war that is ravaging the land start; was Kvothe to blame? Why is the series named "Kingkiller Chronicles" - presumably there will be a king at some point and Kvothe will kill him? All these fairly essential details are deliberately and teasingly left unclear so far- the pressure for Kingkiller Chronicles Day 3 to deliver on all these details is immense.

Kingkiller Chronicles Day 3

So all in all, this leaves a lot to cover in the third Kingkiller Chronicle book. Kingkiller Chronicles book 3, also known as Kingkiller Chronicles Day 3, is expected to be called The Walls of Stone. There’s no publication date set as yet for Kingkiller Chronicles book 3, but it’s thought likely to hit the shelves at some point during 2013. What will happen to Kvothe during Kingkiller Chronicles day 3? Your guess is as good as mine, but no doubt Patrick Rothfuss and Kote will both have plenty up their sleeves to keep us on the edges of our seats.

It might even be the case that the third Kingkiller book will be insufficient for the amount of story left to tell- as well as bringing us up to date with Kvothe's life, the book will also need to resolve the plot surrounding the present day. Presumably Kote will need to regain his strength, powers and notoriety by becoming Kvothe once more, and someone is going to need to bring an end to the chaos in the world around Kote's little inn. This is a lot of ground to cover in a book that will also need to see Kvothe graduate from university, finally defeat Ambrose Jakis once and for all, unmask and defeat Denna's patron, revisit the fae, meet Bast, kill a King or two, somehow cause the world that his older self finds himself in, and then lose his confidence and his powers.

Comments Please!

Let me know what you think? Did you love Kingkiller Chronicles Day 2 as much as Kingkiller Chronicles Day 1? What do you think might happen to Kvothe during Kingkiller Chronicles Day 3? What do you think of the name- The Walls of Stone sounds quite a lot like the Heart of Stone doesn’t it? Will there be a fourth Kingkiller Chronicles book? How did Kvothe lose his powers? Who is Denna's patron?

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      Addii 2 years ago

      I would like to point out a few mistakes in this review, even though it's a year old I still think you should be informed. First of all, Kvothe is not a "wizard," nor is he training to be. In this world there is no magic but Sympathy. Sympathy is the art of creating sympathetic links between similar objects so that you can control one with the other. This is not to be confused with Sygaldry which is a construction based sort of Sympathy, using Runes -carved into different materials- to create what seem to be "magical" properties in hand crafted objects. In the story, on numerous occasions, Kvothe says "there's no such thing as magic like Taborlin the Great," or "Sympathy is not magic," so referring to him as a "wizard" in training is highly inaccurate. Another point related to Kvothe's time at the university that needs correcting is that Kvothe is not going to be graduating from the university. In the summary on the back of the first book in this trilogy it says "I was kicked out of the university at a younger age than most people are admitted," (forgive me if this is not the exact phrasing, I'm going off memory) so saying that the third book will show him graduating is misleading, considering the fact that a preview of the series says so itself. A small note on your comment about Kvothe's current age; in The Name of the Wind, within the first chapter while describing the inn-keepers appearance it says that he seemed very weary and worn out, old, but says that he is still a young man soon after this. I don't know his age, it's just a piece of information to consider, because he certainly isn't telling this story 30 years later.

      A comment responding to one of the other readers comments saying they suspect Bast is the son of Felurian and Kvothe from his time in the Fae; while this does seem possible at first thought, Bast hints at his age being much, much older than Kvothe's, directly, and when he is scolding Kvothe over speaking to the Cthaeh he shows a deep knowledge of the Fae world, seeming to imply that Bast is much older. You could consider the fact that time is different in the Fae than in the human world, though, so I suppose it is a possibility. I myself, however, do not think that is the case.

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      cole schultz 3 years ago

      his sword is known as the poet killer so I thin he will be kicked out of the university fore killing ambrose

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      kw colorado 4 years ago from colorado

      Speculations on Book 3:

      I think it's pretty well established that Kvothe's mother was the missing Lackless sister. Fantasy author Jo Walton's blog at.tor.com quotes the anecdote about Kvothe's mother making his father sleep under the wagon:

      Then he sings the “Netalia Lackless” song. She hated the awful meter, she said, but months ago Alkhia noticed that “not tally a lot less” is “”Netalia Lackless” and no doubt the real reason she made him sleep under the wagon was to prevent him from using her real name.

      So Kvothe is going to be revealed in Book 3 as a Lackless heir. This will allow him to open the doors of stone with the key hidden in the Lackless box. His aunt Meluan, the Mair's wife, will not be reconciled to her nephew Kvothe, I predict; rather, she will see him as a threat to her own power, and try to have him killed. Denna's sadistic patron is also obviously tied to the Lackless fortunes, as he has paid Denna to write the song rewriting the Lackless legend, to make them heroes and victims instead of evil criminals.

      However he does it, it's clear that Kvothe will get beyond the doors of stone. There, he will confront at least one Chandrian, and one Aemir. The Aemir, I think, will be the legendary Man Who Hid the Moon, from Felurian's story. He hid the moon to protect humanity's ordinary world from the Chandrian, thus incidentally also closing it off from the Fae.

      Kvothe will be drawn into that epic battle between the Chandrian and the Aemir. He will be betrayed by a woman: Denna? Meluan? and he will in turn, betray that woman, possibly resulting in Denna's death.

      Somehow, in all of this, he becomes Bast's "Master", and kills the King, whom I think will be a Lackless aristocrat. So not Ambrose.

      Lots to look forward to!

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      Rob 4 years ago

      just one point that I noticed on my latest read-through:

      I can't remember the name of the place, but when Kvothe was on his way to the University for the first time, Denna told him that she was going to *insert place name here*. Then when Ambrose sends the thugs after Kvothe, one of them says "we have to be sure, we already lost him in *insert same place name here*", even though Kvothe never actually went there, Denna did. Coincidence?

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      Someone:P 4 years ago

      recently I reread WMF (too many flashbacks- couldn't take it anymore)

      I don't think Denna is one of the chandrian; there is no apparent purpose in that: even if they wanted to keep tabs on him, just killing him off would've been much easier.

      About Denna's patron, I thought it to be Brendon, but then again, I don't want him to be an abusive jerk, and it's said that he wasn't in the first draft of NoTW (though he could be just a small change to the storyline to make ends meet)

      I really liked what was said about folly :) didn't think about it myself but thinking of Cinder finally getting his brings a smile to my face (and quite the wicked one ;) )

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      babblo 4 years ago

      i liked the theory about denna being one of the chandrian, it "fits" in a lot of ways. the chandrian met kvothe, so when he met her "randomly" on his way to the university she is really there to keep tabs on him(or something of the sort). this is also the reason she is away so much, she has duties(?) to do with cinder etc, which by coincidence is her "patron". and as said above, clarifies the betrayal that is supposed to shake kvothe so badly.

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      Rob Dawson 4 years ago

      I'm not sure what could be behind the Four Plate Door in the archives, there are several references that could relate to it but it's hard to know if it's just a coincidence. When someone is referred to as being dead (particularly dangerous people) they're said to be "safely behind the doors of stone". That, along with the Lockless box, and Kvothe's mention of "the four doors" behind which the mind can shelter, could be a pointer as to what's behind the door.

      To give it a guess, I think Kvothe will open the door, whether out of curiosity or otherwise (maybe his search for a way to fight the Chandrian will take him to it). And whatever is shut behind it will be whatever has caused the present day to be so awful (a Pandora's box type scenario). Maybe Lady Lackless' box will contain the key?

      Good point about the sword, I hadn't thought of that! It's comforting to think he might be able to finally confront Cinder (and probably give him what's coming to him, judging by the fact that he has the sword).

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      Zac P 4 years ago

      Something I've noticed that I haven't ever seen discussed. In WMF Kvothe mentions that the sword hanging in his inn, Folly, was not Caesura or a sword from the Adem. If you read the description of the sword as he hangs it in the inn, you might notice that it closely matches the description of Cinders' sword when Kvothe's troupe is destroyed.

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      kw colorado 4 years ago from colorado

      Cinder, yes. He would be a good candidate for the patron.

      What do you think is behind the locked door in the Archives?

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      Rob Dawson 4 years ago

      When Kvothe promised not to seek out Denna's patron, he swore it by his name, power and his good left hand. If Kvothe did try to find him, then this would explain why he can't think of himself as Kvothe any more, can't use magic, and doesn't play a lute either. It also explain's why there's no Denna in the Waystone Inn. I also get the feeling that her patron is Cinder, as Denna had left the Aeolian with a gentleman with white hair, and Cinder also has white hair (and was present in Trebon, at the same time that the Chandrian attacked the wedding!) and refuses to have his name known by anyone but Denna. Given her patron's increasingly sadistic treatment, Cinder is becoming a more and more likely candidate.

      Thoughts?

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      Edward William 4 years ago from UK

      I would agree with all of that, definitely.

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      BenCassel 4 years ago from London, United Kingdom

      Hi, I have just come across this and couldn't resist….

      Good call on Bast being related to Felurian, I didn't think of that.

      Has anyone considered Kvothe being related to Lady Lackless? Lady Lackless sister who ran away is Klothe mother; hence the hate towards the Ruh, and the familiarity Kvothe felt when he first meets Lady Lackless

      Also, Kvothe can't perform magic in the 'present' because his actions before resulted in the death of Denna. The guilt is too much for him

      What do you guys think???

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      B. Wulf 4 years ago

      I have read Book 1 and Book 2 twice already and I have a few theories about what will be revealed in book 3. First on the name of Book 3, which I heard it called the Doors of Stone as well, I honestly think that the title kind of reveals the big bad guy in the series. I didn't notice it the first time I read the book but if you read the part when Fellurian tells Kvothe about how the Fay realm was made she tells him about the man who stole the moon and how he was the most powerful of makers and no one could stop him until he was imprisoned behind a door of stone.

      Also, I noticed that when Kvothe first met the Lady Lackless he was shocked how familiar she look and that the story of Lady Lackless' sister, who ran off with an Edema Ruh, is strangely similar to the story of how Kvothe's mother got together with his father. Makes me wonder if Lady Lackless' sister and Kvothe's mother are the same person.

      I also wonder if Denna's patron is one of the Chandrian because the cathy stated that the Chandrian can hide their true nature. I also wonder to a small degree that if there is a chance that Denna is one of the Chandrian because in the first book it hinted at a possibility that there was a female among the seven. And we know very little about Denna's past, just that she travels a lot and she changes her name constantly. Also we know that in the third book Kvothe will suffer a great betrayal from a woman that will shake him down to his bones. I could be completely wrong but it was something I have been thinking about.

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      thingy 5 years ago

      As far as I know it is the 'Doors of Stone', and if you check out Rothfuss blog (blog.patrickrothfuss.com) and Goodreads, 2013 is not by far certain...

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      Edward William 5 years ago from UK

      I'm wondering if the King somehow IS Ambrose. He's pretty high up the nobility after all- maybe events conspire to get him on the throne in the period between Kvothe being at Uni with him and Kvothe telling the story.

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      kw colorado 5 years ago from colorado

      Epic fantasy authors tend to over write, I would guess. Understandable when one is creating a whole new universe with its own laws of physics and nature. But there may be money motivation, as you suggest - why not get paid for five books instead of three, if we readers keep gobbling them up?

      I'm with you on Denna being irritating. Although I have met many "Dennas" in my life - women who keep on going back for more mistreatment, thinking that this time, he will change and treat her lovingly. Sigh.

      The herbal birth control came out of the blue, isn't connected to anything else in the story, and is kind of awkward, now that I found it. It must be that the author wanted to cut off speculation on Kvothe's having any natural children, so that the story would revolve around his other legacies, i.e. being the Kingkiller. Which, by the way, I do wish he would get on with.

      Do you think that the King will be related to Ambrose, the Chandrian, or ???

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      Edward William 5 years ago from UK

      Walls of Stone sort of made me think of the Heart of Stone thing, wonder if that's a pun or just a coincidence.

      I think Bast being Felurian's son sounds pretty credible actually. I remember being a bit surprised reading about the herbal spunk medicine in the book, but there's no reason that it couldn't go wrong I suppose.

      Denna irritates me a lot.

      Rothfuss, GRRM, these authors who play to do it in five books then it's six then it's eight- do you reckon the story gets away from them and they don't get reigned in properly by their editors, or do you think they realise that there's no point doing it in three books when they could be getting paid for five instead?

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      kw colorado 5 years ago from colorado

      I'm re-reading "Wise Man's Fear", and awaiting Book 3 (Day 3) of the Kingkiller Chronicles.

      To your questions: "Walls of Stone?" Not the greatest title in the world, but it does repeat a phrase the Cathay (sp?) prophesied when talking with Kvothe. So I think that Book 3, whatever the title, will primarily be about the different prophecies of the Cathay.

      Bast? I have a theory that Bast is actually Kvothe's son by Fellurian. A reader at this link:

      http://www.amazon.com/Wise-Mans-Fear-Kingkiller-Ch...

      said that Kvothe has some kind of herbal birth control, but if so, I missed it.

      Even if not Kvothe's son, Bast will turn out to be some relative of the Fae queen, Fellurian.

      I predict that he will also, somehow, find a way through the "walls of stone", unlocking the "Lock-less" door, which is probably related to the one in the archives, and confront the Chandrian seven, who will be related to his family's murderers, to the wedding massacre that Denna played for, to Denna's patron, and to the general chaotic evil that seems to be growing in the land. How's that for a big prediction?

      I also think that Denna and Ms. Lockless, the Mayor's intended, will turn out to be related somehow.

      This was quite a compelling fantasy series, and I am eagerly waiting for the next installment of it.

      Per the conversation of Rothfuss with Brandon Sanderson, another masterful epic fantasy author, at the link referenced above, Rothfuss has trouble containing his tendency to extend the story. So I think it's quite possible that there will be a book 4 to wrap up all of the plotlines and answer the questions.