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Paving The Road To Successful Publication

Updated on August 7, 2013

SOME OPENING THOUGHTS

Being published in today’s world doesn’t quite mean the same thing as being published, say, fifty years ago. The internet and ebooks and self-publishing have taken a bit of the glow off of the word “published,” and quite literally anyone can now publish a book.

So we have to qualify this article just a tad.

If all you want to do is get published then go write a book, download it on Kindle, and may the wind always be at your back and the road always rise up to meet you, or some such Irish nonsense. J

However, if you want to successfully publish a book, and by that I mean publish a book that people will actually read, then you will need to at some point assess where you are on the road to successful publication….and that is what this article is for.

SUBJECTIVITY IS A PAIN IN THE PATOOTE

You see, we immediately run into the problem that one man’s success is another man’s failure. What does it mean to successfully publish? Does it mean that your family and friends will buy the book? Does it mean you will sell one-thousand books? Ten-thousand?

Is the mere act of writing a book and publishing success enough for you? Does your definition of success include self-publishing or is it only contingent upon a publisher taking on your project?

I can’t answer any of those questions for you, but I can toss out some suggestions that should help most of you.

Let’s start with some classic behaviors that are a waste of time for most writers.

WHO HAS TIME TO WASTE?

Certainly not me and I will assume not you as well, but it is amazing how many writers do the following and end up deep-sixing their chances:

  • The biggest time-waster of them all is sending out work that is not your best. Every project that you work on should be the best you have to give, and if it isn’t then it isn’t worth sending to a publisher for review.
  • Self-publishing to no one refers to the fact that without an audience or a marketing plan, you might as well not publish. In 2009 there were 760,000 new titles published in non-traditional ways, and another 300,000 published in traditional hard-copy ways. That’s over one million new books for those of you who are math-challenged, and that is a ton of competition. Hopefully you have a plan so that your book is actually read.
  • Trying to publish nationally a book that only has regional appeal, and the opposite is also a no-no. Know your audience and the nature of your book before making a decision on the type of publishing.
  • Too focused on publishing when you should focus on the quality of your writing. If you are not a writer who is ready then don’t try to publish. In the long run, quality will win over quantity each and every day.

Interesting perspectives from the pros

KNOW WHERE YOU ARE ON THE PATH

Are you ready to be published? This is an important question and one that requires some objectivity rather than subjectivity.

As a general statement, first manuscripts are not ready for publishing. I know this because Steinbeck worked on his first novel for seven years, constantly re-writing to get it right. Very few writers are gifted enough to get published on the first try.

How long have you been working on your book? If the same writer has been tinkering with his novel for ten years without doing anything else, I would question their motivation and confidence. At some point you need to either poop or get of the pot.

I read somewhere once about a 10,000 hour rule which states that one must practice their craft for a minimum of 10,000 hours before they are accomplished and ready for success. How many hours have you written?

Where are you on the talent spectrum? It is an honest question and needs an honest answer. If you ever want to know the answer, read some of the great works by the great authors of our times, and then decide how talented you are. There is most likely a sizeable gap between the works of the greats and your work. Write until you close that gap.

Paved or not paved? Maybe it is time for a new path.
Paved or not paved? Maybe it is time for a new path.

IS IT TIME TO CHANGE COURSE?

I do not believe that all good writers eventually get discovered and become successful. There are just too many writers out there, and often times it is a matter of being in the right place at the right time. I read a novel a couple months ago that, quite frankly, was crap. Obviously the stars and planets had aligned perfectly for this author to get published by a major publishing firm.

So are you wasting your time with your current manuscript? Maybe the focus of your book is all wrong. Are rejection letters telling you that you that your work is too quirky, or you have too narrow an appeal?

Another thing that happens is that writers will follow the wrong path. They will write a 100,000 word manuscript that gets no love, but a short article that they write for an online magazine does incredibly well. Maybe they should concentrate on expanding the magazine article topic rather than beating a dead horse with their manuscript.

Are you becoming a bitter old writer? Bitterness or depression are not ways to win friends in the publishing business. If the rejection letters are weighing you down and taking the fun out of writing, perhaps you need to walk away for awhile until you find the joy again.

THE BOTTOM LINE

I don’t know how you define success. If you define it in terms of money made then good for you. If you define it by the critical praise then again, good for you. Maybe you just find incredible satisfaction from crafting the perfect sentence, and success is found when that sentence is finally found.

In my opinion, if there isn’t passion then there is very little chance of attaining whatever success you are aiming for. If there is not love for the written word then it’s going to be a long, tough road to travel.

If, however, there is passion….if there is love for the craft….then your road to success is much closer to being paved.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      audra 3 years ago

      Passion is key and shows well in every written word of yours my friens...love ya! Keep on doing the best you can! So much goodness here!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audra, it is good to see you my friend. Thank you for stopping by this morning.

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      Theresa Ast 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Another very helpful hub, Bill. You have a gift for walking (writing on) that fine line between mindless and counter-productive encouragement and hopeless and frustrating discouragement. You manage to reasonably encourage would be writers and yet give them suggestions about when it might be wise to take a different direction altogether. You are certainly a very good writer, but I also think (as I believe I commented on once before) you truly have a spiritual gift of exhortation/encouragement. Our world needs more people like you. Blessings. Theresa

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Bill, I have been trying to figure out my next move as far as self publishing, but have to be honest I am not there yet. I loved reading your insight on this though and when I do have more time to give to publishing a book I will definitely be heading your words of wisdom! Thanks as always my friend!

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      Abby Campbell 3 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Thank you again for another useful hub, Bill. :-) I definitely believe it passion sums it up. Without it, we will not succeed unless we are simply lucky. It takes passion to come up with a subject to write about... then do the research or engage the imagination... then write... edit... edit... edit... and more edit... then publish. I published my first book earlier this year, and I had no idea how much marketing would be a part of my plan. But, it still takes passion to market your book so that it can reach as many people as you want it to. For many writers, the effort outweighs the end result of monetary success. I've read that 95 percent of authors will sell less than 100 copies of their book in a lifetime. That is because they don't have the passion to continue getting their book before potential readers (in my opinion). As long as we authors have the passion to get our message out, I think we are successful... whether we sell less than 100 books or more. I didn't know what to expect when I first published my book. After all the statistics I read about, I was expecting to sell not more than 100 for my first book. I am happy to report that I have sold more, and my book is but six months old. But, I believe that has to do with my passion. :-) Even your passion shows forth, Bill, in your writings. Just look at all that respond to every single hub you put out. That is a testimony in itself for a great article! I wish you much success in future endeavors, Bill! :-)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Theresa, what a nice comment to begin my day with. Thank you! It's the teacher in me...encourage and yet hit over the head with truth. LOL

      I will say this: I was given a gift of words, and I plan on using it to help others until I can't type any longer.

      Have a wonderful day my friend, and blessings to you and yours always.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, I'm working on one right now...well, I'm working on three, but let's not go there. LOL I'm taking it slow because I want it to represent my very best...and I know you want the same for yourself, so take your time and do it right.

      Thank you dear friend and have a great day.

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      Russ Moran 3 years ago from Long Island, New York

      Excellent points as usual my friend. Don't serve a meal before it's cooked, and don't send out a manuscript until it's ready. In April I pitched five agents at a writers conference and all five said send the first 50 pages. Not, however, ready for prime time! The book had yet to be edited (by you) but only by myself. No wonder it got no further response. Self publishers or traditional ones need to follow the rules, as you suggest. Make sure your best foot (your manuscript) is ready to publish. Russ

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Abby, thank you for a lovely comment. What a great way to start my day, with friends leaving lovely messages like this one.

      I agree with your comment, and congratulations on your first book and its success. Passion...man alive, where would a writer be without it? Probably working some menial 9-5 job for minimum wage, that's where. LOL

      Have a great day my friend and again, thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Russ, I love it when people who have been there share their experience. Thanks for telling your story and I wish you great success with that book, which I happen to like very much. :)

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Great kick in the pants, Bill. I did go the self-publishing route for my poetry book. It is not an e-book, but a hold-in-your-hand-and-turn-the-pages book. The poems in my book span a period of writing from 1974 to 2012. I published in February of this year. Although self-published, I'm proud that I was able to live the first color in my rainbow dream of becoming a successful writer. The next color (step) is where I'm getting hung up......

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      Mahaveer Sanglikar 3 years ago from Pune, India

      Great insights, useful for many.

      Before two years, I wrote a book, got a sponsor and without any investment published it. I published 1100 copies, found two sellers and all the copies were sold within a year. This was a great experiment and now I am going to publish more books on my own.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, some people never even take the first step...be patient and step number two will appear eventually. I have faith in anyone with passion and you've got passion my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jainismus, that is a remarkable beginning. Well done my friend and good luck on the next book.

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      Abby Campbell 3 years ago from Charlotte, North Carolina

      Bill - I just read your response, and thank you. Please forgive me for the bad spelling and grammar in my last comment. I usually review my comments before posting, but I was rushing this morning and didn't. That looked real good for an author! LOL. Like you said, first manuscripts must not be published. Thankfully, my comment wasn't a first manuscript. LOL. Have a wonderful day!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Abby, no apology necessary. My writing goes to hell in emails and comments...I just get in too big of a hurry and don't check it, so I understand completely. Thank you and have a great day.

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      Donna Hilbrandt 3 years ago from Upstate New York

      Bill, I think you pose some great questions here, especially "are you ready to be published?" I know I am not. Well not beyond the self publishing I do on sites like Hubpages. It is so important to be honest with ourselves and where we stand as writer. I also hear your point about being in the right place at the right time. Boy have I read some crap over the years that was published by big publishing houses. Yikes, what were they thinking? I guess it falls into the "to each his own" category, but it also give me hope that someday I will be in the right place for me to publish a great novel or play. Thanks for the daily reminder to reflect on our craft. :)

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Bill, another great hub full of useful information.

      I have a personal challenge and I wonder if it is common to other writers. My challenge is my memory impairment. I must read from the beginning of my work to ensure a consistency of the story line. As the story becomes longer, more time must be spent reading that which has already been written. Yes, I do edit as I re-read.

      I am at 30 thousand + words, so the time spent reading is

      consuming much of my writing time.

      Just wondering if this is a unique problem or if other writers

      share in this problem?

      Thanking you in advance for shedding some light on this

      challenge.

      DJ.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      One of your greater hubs and so true the more time spent on writing before publishing is the best way to achieve the promising results.

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      Suzette Walker 3 years ago from Taos, NM

      Another good article to help writers, this time with publishing. I enjoyed reading this and I agree with you quality is more important than quantity. You give some great advice and suggestions. Your own experience is so illuminating to the rest of us. Thanks for your unique perspective!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donnah, I think I have read the same crap and my reaction was the same as yours. It does give me hope when I'm ready with my next book effort.

      Thank you as always my friend. I hope you are well and ready for school to begin.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      I so agree with all you write. Going after your market is so important..In the past we bought lists to promote whatever we are selling, catalogs was another venue. Today it might be buying email lists though I hate spam. in internet language and in the can. As you say being a good writer is not enough...so there is this element of luck for sure. However if you keep positioning yourself you may find that luck. Thanks again for a great write..going to pin in my Billybuc section on pinterest.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I think that is pretty normal. I don't want to think it is only a problem for those as old as me. LOL I think it depends a lot on the type of book. Books like mystery novels where there are clues to be laid and many characters, I think those would be very hard to keep straight over a period of time.

      Anyway, good luck with that book of yours and thanks for the visit.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you very much, DDE; I just want people to put their best effort out there when it is time to publish. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzette, you are very welcome and thanks for your kind words. It is a tough world out there in publishing, and if one is not willing to put in the work then one should not expect great results.

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      Melissa Propp 3 years ago from Minnesota

      Great article. It is so very true that all of us have a different definition for "successful"....And maybe our definition changes as we accomplish different goals. My first definition of success would be to complete a novel (even a rough draft!). Its a good place to start! Thanks as always for sharing your advice and wisdom.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, you mentioned an important factor...one must continually position oneself and then the luck just might come....all of this takes hard work and serious marketing and on and on. I wish it were as easy as just writing a book, but it isn't. :) You know that as well as anyone.

      Thank you Carol!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, it is a great place to start, and I insist you let me read yours when you finish it, even if it isn't published.....please!!!!!

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      Elizabeth Parker 3 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      Bill- good perspective in this hub. I chose to self-publish my first book Finally Home (and then each book thereafter). Since 2010, I probably sold about 20000 books, though I never did the math on the quantity. For me, I'd love to sell more as I donate a portion of the proceeds of the profits to animal rescue and so far have donated over $5000 (hoping that number reaches $100000 but, that's a long term goal)! With editing, proofs, marketing and advertising, sometimes it's difficult to make any profit at all! I'd also love to write full time. More importantly though, was the responses I got from people who had a similar dog and who emailed me to say how my book helped/made them laugh/cry or at the very least feel that they weren't alone!

      I will say this though. Had I known what I know now, I might've waited just a bit to publish that book. In the very beginning, I edited it myself (which I just have no patience for) and that got me some bad reviews. I've since had it professionally edited and that's my advice to any author. I read my own book over 100 times and failed to see a word missing here or a comma missing there. In addition, now, three years later, I have a better grasp of what readers look for in a book. Sounds silly as I've been a reader my entire life, but the shoe is on the other foot when you're the one writing the book!

      I like your advice about the 10000 hour rule. Although I don't regret self-publishing Finally Home, I wish I had read this hub back then! I think I could've made it even more successful.

      Thanks again for your informative hub!

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      livingsta 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      Good hub and very good advice towards success for writers, Bill. Thank you. Hope you are having a good week.

      Sending you blessings and smiles :-)

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      Liz Davis 3 years ago from Hudson, FL

      You should address the issue of patoote pain in more detail.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lizzy, I think you know all about patoote pain. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dahlia! It is a good week albeit a very busy one. Blessings and a hug coming your way my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liz, thank you for a great perspective on publishing. We simply cannot edit our own books; for those who have never done it, I'm sure that sounds silly, but it is the truth for sure.

      20,000 books? I would be pretty happy with that sales total, but I understand what you are saying.

      Loved this comment, Liz; thank you!

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      Vinaya Ghimire 3 years ago from Nepal

      Billy,

      I have published a book, but I don't call myself published author. Lots of people are self-publishing ebooks, even print books, but publication does mean success.

      You have shared some really thought provoking points.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vinaya, you have raised an interesting point, one I happen to agree with. Thank you!

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      Ruchira 3 years ago from United States

      Once again wise words this Tuesday morning :)

      Passion and not staying attached to waht comes your way is the way to success!

      Sharing this across!

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      Denise W Anderson 3 years ago from Bismarck, North Dakota

      Thank you for helping me figure out where I am with my publishing project. You made it very straightforward and understandable. Now, I can stop beating myself up for not going further.

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      Mary 3 years ago from Cronulla NSW

      Hey Billy I don't feel so bad now knowing Steinbeck worked on his novel for 7 years!! Good advice for writers here and much needed emphasis on multiple edits..VUUA & shared..cheers

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Ruchira....passion indeed my friend. I can't imagine writing without it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Denise, put away the club and whip....you are fine right where you are. A book should not be rushed and it should be your best work...so breathe deeply and continue. :) Thanks Denise!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Carter, thanks for dropping by and it's always nice to see you here....seven years....makes our struggles seem almost meaningless, doesn't it? LOL

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      A ton to think about under the subhead of wasting time. It's more than "I want to write; I want to publish" which so many "authors?" try to do. Let's get serious. Thanks for the scolding!

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      Bill De Giulio 3 years ago from Massachusetts

      More excellent advice Bill. You continue to show us the path to success, it's up to us to follow. Another wonderful and very helpful hub. Hope your having a great week.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, I hope this didn't sound like a scolding. LOL Just a little prod of sorts. :) Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Bill! It's been a fine week my friend and I hope yours is as well.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Bill i truly think you've found your niche, helping other writers to become the very best they can be. Thank you for caring...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, I hope you are right and that these do help other writers. We all need all the help we can get in this business. :) Thank you!

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      Linda Crampton 3 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      I hope to self-publish in the not too distant future and need to learn a lot about the process. This is a great hub for adding to my knowledge. The comments are useful, too!

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. I appreciate your valuable insight.

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      manatita44 3 years ago from london

      Informative, instructive and helpful as usual. Peace.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      More no nonsense sound advice my friend!...I don't really want to go the self publishing root, I'm at a crossroad right now, but with your inspiration hopefully; I'll spreading those wings to take off soon.

      My very best..

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      toknowinfo 3 years ago

      Hi Bill, As usual, your down to earth advice is true and wise. I think you summed it up well, especially at the end when you talk about passion. When we do what we love, the rest is easy. It is so obvious that if more of us followed our passion, one that takes effort, we will be happier and more satisfied with what we do with our time and with ourselves. Success is intrinsic, even though we talk about it and measure it in materialistic ways.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Alicia...there were some great and useful comments on this hub, born from experience. Good luck with your book.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure Martin! Thank you Sir!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Manatita....I greatly appreciate you stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I don't really like self-publication, but there are times when there is no other choice. Best of luck with your decisions, and thank you.

      blessings always my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      toknowinfo, your last line is a great one....success is intrinsic....if only more realized that my friend.

      Thank you and it's nice to see you again.

      bill

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      Hawaiian Odysseus 3 years ago from Southeast Washington state

      Bill, the roads in, around, and between Walla Walla and College Place are currently undergoing long awaited for and much needed reconstruction.

      I love driving or riding on a well-paved road. Heck, I love walking on one (that is, if I have to walk through town).

      Similarly, I want to write on a well-paved highway to success--one that enables me to express myself passionately; arouses, intrigues, and compels the fascination of many; and maintains an old school style and integrity.

      Thank you, my friend, for being the literary lead for the Corps of Writing Engineers so we can ensure a legacy of well-paved roads.

      Aloha, my friend, and stay cool on this freakin' sweltering Pacific Northwest day! There are miles of blacktop ahead!

      ~Joe

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      Mark Johann 3 years ago from Italy

      I believe writers live forever. The world may end but the words and writings may stay forever.

      Successful writers ought to thank hubpages because they have not only express their thoughts but also earn a lot.

      :) Like me.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Joe!

      Cloudy this morning but I'm sure the heat will return shortly. I need it just a tad cooler my friend.

      Pavement is on the way, buddy! With your talent and your determination, it will be smooth driving from here on.

      You know how much I appreciate you, right? I hope so.

      Aloha

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, I'm glad you are thankful and successful. Thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts.

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      I could not agree with you more, Bill, a writer without passion is like eggs without bacon, a cake without icing, spareribs without barbecue sauce. Just noticed that all my examples are edible. Do you s'pose that the fact that it's dinnertime has anything to do with that? :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      drbj, those are some seriously tasty similes. LOL Go eat, and thanks for the laugh.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Oh, yes, we must be passionate no doubt in writing, otherwise so very dull!

      I really do love this writing niche you have going on here as it truly provides much insight to writers and much help too. This is the best kind of "How to do" hubs on a writing site, as ... it is a writing site!!!

      You are a smart one indeed, but you know that already!

      Hugs and blessings, Faith Reaper

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      You raise very good points. These are helpful tips and advice for writers who are serious about getting published.

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      Highly motivational. I will go write some more.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oh Faith, I don't know it....I have worked twice as hard as many simply because I never think I measure up to my own expectations. It is a battle I will never win. :) Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marlene, I'm glad you found them helpful. Thank you as always and I hope your day tomorrow is blessed.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      tireless....go write like you are tireless. LOL

      Thank you!

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Thank you always for the the great advice.

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      As always wonderful Billy ;many of these tips are reinstating something's I knew once but have forgotten ;I find that by being led back to them again we will not forget again in a hurry. Wonderful as always and here's to voting up and sharing. Lots of love from my little corner of Wales.

      Eddy.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's always my pleasure vkwok. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, that really is why I write them. There is no new information in any of my hubs; just common sense that we learned long ago and may have forgotten.

      Thank you dear friend.

      bill

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      I wouldn't say I'm bitter, just old ;) Knowing where you are on your path is sometimes easier said than done but with writers like you to guide us we may yet find the way my friend.

      Voted up, useful, interesting and shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL....Mary, you will never be bitter or old in my eyes. Thank you for your kind words....spreading the love my friend...spreading the love.

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      Victoria Lynn 3 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      Like some of the others, I'm not ready to publish a book yet, but hopefully one day. This hub is great for thinking it through!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, when that day comes I'll be rooting for you from Olympia, Washington. :)

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      Passion is the tallest flower in my garden...

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And passion shall carry you through my friend. Thank you Deb!

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      Mark Johann 3 years ago from Italy

      I also believe that Billy here write as his passion and integrity. It has been said that the stone could last forever but we will die and the stone cannot write and we can write, therefore we can live forever.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mark, I like that...we will live forever with our words. Long after we die, someone will read our words, and I find that remarkable and very encouraging. :)

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      Paulo 3 years ago

      All of my school aged kdiods are involved with some kind of extra-curricular activy. My 16 year old son is on the drumline at his high school, my pre-teen daughter is on the volleyball and softball teams and my 8 year old son is half way to his black belt in Taekwondo.My little guy who stays home with me and does flash cards during the day has extra-curricular activites of napping and cuddling with Mommy and Daddy! =)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paolo, it sounds like a wonderful family filled with love. Thank you for sharing that.

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      manatita44 3 years ago

      Very interesting and quite thorough. Wish you success in your own endeavours in this field.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you manatita; the same to you my friend.

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