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Poem - Christian State or War Machine?

Updated on February 26, 2011

Caution: anger and thought ahead; there is no comfort in the words that follow; they are accusatory, idealistic and from the heart:

Hey Christian state
Why do we perpetuate the hate
With all our tools of death
Stopping another man's breath

What about what we heard
About people being murdered
From the one you represent
With a celebration of Advent

How can we follow him
Yet kill on the whim
Of powerful men who
Tell us what to do

It is clear that your peacemaker
Came to world to be a changer
Of the hearts of evil men
To warn them of their sin

Yet we kill and kill
Never thinking of his will
That you pray be done
In the name of the one

That you claim to worship
While refusing the courtship
Of those who want peace
Bringing to earth a new lease

On life by allowing love to flourish
Instead we are seen to brandish
Other wordly weapons of destruction
Contributing to man's dysfunction

In his relationship with a higher power
That has so clearly tried to shower
Us with a message of love and peace
Yet our militaristic actions never cease

We want to go to heaven
But our actions serve to unleaven
Our rise to a higher level of being
Blinded by lies the truth we are not seeing

I don't blame your patriotic thought
You don't know what your country has wrought
Over the years in a quest for power
We want our enemies to cower

In the face of our national interest
Which conflicts with reality's firmest
Wish for mankind to come together
And shed our fears of one another

Do you think God is only on our side
Someone is taking us for a ride
This supposed God is there for all
Even the man you desire to fall

I know it is confusing
But there is no excusing
That the horror of it all is suppressed
As we believe our cause is blessed

But the word was for all men
Re-read the book you defend
It is clear what was meant
Don't try to circumvent

The Sermon on the Mount
Jesus brings the world to account
For actions that harms others
Don't kill them, they are your brothers

You don't even have to believe in him
Or any other legend
To know the message is true
Yet so many speak but cannot do

It's time for a new day
Where our needs are not in the way
Of others who also want love
From your supposed Lord above

You believe he knows everything we think and do
Then it is not too late to start anew
Regardless of belief we must work with each other
And not force them to run for cover

From bombs raining down
From a nation wearing a crown
Of belief in the almighty
Causing Christianity to be unsightly

To others who wonder about us
And how we can ignore Jesus
And his message of love and peace
It is time for hostilities to cease


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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Ben - I agree...

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      BenWritings 7 years ago from Save me from, Tennessee

      Your anger is justified on that subject.

      We the people have no real say regarding the events that are shaping our planet every day.

      There is a plan in place, that was set into motion long long ago.

      That's just my opinion

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      @Ben - well I certainly appreciate all the kind remarks and your time in reading my posts. You are probably wiser than I in avoiding the more controversial subjects of life. The fact is we don't have all the facts so it's easy to misunderstand what is truly happening in the world. I was angry when I wrote this and I just felt that I needed to say these things. I don't want to be someone who is judgemental but somebody has to say "ENOUGH OF THIS!"

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      BenWritings 7 years ago from Save me from, Tennessee

      I never get into political or religious debates, they are generally roads leading to disaster, or nowhere

      However, I completely support you in your idea that George Bush's attack on Iraq was unjustified, and an excuse to carry out a different plan. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and from what I could see, the population was expected to believe it did.

      Mark, the more I read of your stuff, the more I admire it. Great job

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you pmccray,

      This was a controversial poem and if you read the comments you saw how it swung all over the place. The contrast of the Christian lessons of judge not lest you be judged or blessed are the peacemakers against the backdrop of the military industrial complex is a sight to behold at times...

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      pmccray 7 years ago from Utah

      Your poem points a glaring finger at the hypocrisy that has become our nations mantra. With daily new technologies constantly upgrading nothing done can be hidden.

      As the strongest nation in the world we no longer can point out the dirt in others backyards without cleaning up our own. I don't see your verse as generalization only a very poignant observation very well done.

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you betty... you are very nice to say that.... I want to publish one day but at the moment I'm still writing....

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      bettybarnesb 7 years ago from Bartlett, TN

      Hi Suburban Poet:

      You are very gifted. When I was younger, I use to write a lot of poetry. You should consider publishing them in book form some day. Thank you for following me. It means a lot! Keep writing.

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you Justsilvie,

      Yes it is amazing. The book was written long before the US was incorporated.... yet people read and seem to forget the personal relationship aspect and instead impute a blessing on a collective group to the detriment of other groups. It makes no sense to me...

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you Erin,

      It got a little rough I guess but we kissed and made up. There is much confusion about our country's history and it's tough to know who is right or wrong. We have made mistakes. I guess I focused on that side of the ledger on this one....

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      Justsilvie 7 years ago

      Excellent Poem. It always amazes me that in most wars all sides seem to think God is their side.

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      Erin LeFey 7 years ago from Maryland

      Wow, nice poem and for that...voted up and awesome. My head is spinning from reading all the comments. For that, I shall not leave any here - to all of you I say only...Namaste'

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      As great as these types of websites can be they still do not replace a face to face discussion where two people can come to understand one another. I'm a very real person even though I can be idealistic in print. I make mistakes everyday (one of my favorite quotes is "I do things my way and I pay a high price).

      I go to work like everyone else and you know... read the papers and wonder about our world. I'm sure you, Maven and myself could have quickly determined that we are people who operate in good faith and reasonableness with others. Separation breeds suspicion and fear... I'm glad you came back to this hub....

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      Aaron Rushing 7 years ago from USA- Florida

      You said

      "war is a scourge upon mankind and my wish for Christians (as many wish for Muslims when it comes to the bin Laden's of the world) is to show their love for mankind and abhorrence for war"

      Well said! I do most heartily agree.

      Happy Thanksgiving


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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      Well... we worked it out here and on another hub. I respect everyone's opinion. I don't think either you or he are war-mongerers. I was being the idealistic poet and I still feel the same way... think about a pissed off John Lennon... Naive? Maybe? Judgmental? Maybe? Idealistis? Definitely.... war is a scourge upon mankind and my wish for Christians (as many wish for Muslims when it comes to the bin Laden's of the world) is to show their love for mankind and abhorrence for war:

      Blessed are the peacemakers...

      Happy Thanksgiving...

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      Aaron Rushing 7 years ago from USA- Florida

      WOW! You thought I was harsh! Maven101.... Man!

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      C'mon! Get worked up! That's what I want! No... it's Saturday and you should be chillin' but I know what you are saying about the money and foreign aid and other things.

      I like to yell about it in my way... Maybe I should have called my self The Wolf Who Howls At The Moon...

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      ahorseback 7 years ago

      Suburban Poet , hmm , China , you know the sad part is , I think we could pay off China in about ten minutes if we just stoppped giving foriegn aid , stopped the space shuttle flights and just stopped usless spending for awhile. We just gave a check for 150 million to Palestine ? In foreign aid!....One country? Until the American voter wakes up and takes back our country it will all continue! This madness of an out of control leadership has to stop.... I have to stop now , Im gettin worked up! Stay well....

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you ahorseback,

      Nice response... I don't want to generalize... if you read my responses above and the one to Maven on "What Is a Poet To Do?" I hope you get that I am truly attacking hypocrisy and the horror's of war. We are anesthetized in my view. The first Gulf War was like a video game on tv to us. I had a friend who exclaimed "Isn't it great? We can come home after work and watch the war!" He wasn't a Christian either. He was just a beer drinking buddy but I think that sort of comment started the wheels turning in my head.

      Someone has to be on the side of "Stop this incessant war." I'm not trying to wrap myself into a ball a sanctimony because I am not naive as to the forces at play in the world. Hell I am much more worried about China just sitting there watching us bleed ourselves to death (like the Soviets did) in Afghanistan. We have lost the big picture. There was a Bond film (From Russia With Love) where Blofeld was watching to fish fighting with one another and was marveling how another one waited until the battle was over so he could kill the weakened survivor.

      Is that fish China?

      Maybe I rambled there but it is to prove a point: I do think about the real world but I'm not going to sit here and let people pretend that Christianity is a loving religion and accuse Islam of being one of hate while at the same time we brandish "otherworldly weapons of destruction."

      There is a world class disconnect somewhere and I guess I elected myself to talk about it.

      Thanks for everything.

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      ahorseback 7 years ago

      Suburban poet , you're opening a can of worms I think , HA. You're poetry is great , I believe you are a thinker and that is good , you create dialog and debate , and that is even better. we are a nation of diversity , thats for sure. Funny isnt it , that our nation is soo warlike and yet so well intended. I think about this alot. And often wonder about why each new "leader" essentially does the same thing over and over . Bushes war = Obamas war. It is not Christian to war , it is not muslim to war but here we are ...war!!!! There is a bumber sticker ...'stop this insessant war'

      and it is obviously well intended. But so is the America we all love. As to this debate , "Christianity doesnt kill, people kill". My play on the second ammendment issue! I had a friend who was a ministers son , he adamantly hated christianity with a passion , and yet he holds a couple of masters degrees in counciling people addicted to drugs and alcohol , He was venemous towards christianity and it actually cost us our friendship.long story - short . Got to be careful generalizing my friend. I think I get your frustration in the hypocracy though. There is plenty of that around , anyway keep writing and stay well my friend. Im going to vote you up because you insight people to think!

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Alright Maven,

      I'm very happy that we can move forward on this. I do not purport to know the whole truth and I realize things can be incredibly complicated; much more than can be covered in a poem. I was viewing things from an idealistic and somewhat targeted point of view.

      I appreciate you being able to separate the message from the construction and most people would probably just dump the whole thing if they disagree.

      The Christian angle is something that interests me greatly and that's a long story; some think I hold a grudge and maybe that is not too far from the truth. I don't pretend to know which God is the one behind the curtain but I just didn't like the message of Jesus being mixed in with war as if the man who supposedly said "Blessed are the peacemakers" would sanction violence. Regardless of who is at fault or who provoked who...

      Thanks again and this was a day for the books....

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      maven101 7 years ago from Northern Arizona

      Indeed, you can do better than that...I have immense respect for your burgeoning poetry as it has developed over the last couple of months, but I must say I am disappointed with this weak offering that tries to bridge ideology with christian dogma...

      Personally, I spell God as nature...So I have no ax to grind with that at all...My disappointment lies in the knowledge that you do not know whereof you write, in this regard...Were you privy to the NSA or CIA intelligence reports on Iraq..? The only information you can base this naive prose on is the media...Now there is a great source for accurate information...They are, of course, totally unbiased...Yes, we can do better, and had Bush One did his job that would not have been a problem 12 years later, would it ? Knowing history is written by men, men with bias one way or another, I reserve judgement on all current history and leave it up to future historians to sort it all out...

      I'm sorry if you felt my comments were an attack on you personally, and for that I apologize...The subject is a sore one with me, as a trained history major and buff...I'm still astounded at the revisionist history being propagated in the US about WW2, Korea, and Vietnam...Even though I disagreed with your theme and conclusions I gave this Hub a thumbs up for poetic construction...Larry

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      For what it's worth I feel I need to say this about this poem and what it means to me:

      It is not an attack on Christianity or Conservatism or America. It is an attack on an event that happened in our lives that was initiated by a person (or a small group of people). Regardless of Saddam Hussein's despotism the facts are that we were told in unambiguous terms that he had weapons of mass destruction. At a minimum we made a mistake. I'm not going to argue or discuss accusations of deliberate lying to the American people. But there is a history of involvement by certain politicians with Saddam over the years and there is a famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld smiling and shaking hands with Saddam.

      I am also aware that elite members of the Democratic Party kneeded the American public into believing Saddam possessed WMD so there is culpability on both sides of the aisle on this.

      But that is all history now.

      As for being a patriotic American and a Christian I say this: why put your arm around these things and around a politician (George Bush in this instance) at the same time? The ideas of Conservatism and a belief in Jesus should be able to survive personalities.

      What I am saying with this poem is this: "We can do better than that."

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      So just like that you turn on me?

      What shows up on my radar screen are two things:

      1) Bush said Jesus is his lord and savior.

      2) He said Saddam had WMD and made attempts to link Saddam with 9/11. The idea of taking Saddam out because of his despotism was not provided as justification for war. if that were the case then why stop with Iraq?

      I'm sorry you were so offended that you chose to attack me personally.... I still respect you...

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      maven101 7 years ago from Northern Arizona

      Another vacuous Bush Bash, based on bias and manipulated media interpretation...The fact that millions of Kurds and Sunni Iraqis are alive today because that butcher, Saddam, is dead, apparently never shows up on your radar screen...

      Your inane pontification is tiresome and juvenile...Stick with something you have some experience with, like searching for love in the bar scene...Larry

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      I'd read some articles concerning the petrodollar issue. I guess for the US sake the struggle of the EU might keep a conversion to Euro's on the back burner. The decision for the long run is which economy do you trust? The US? The EU's? China's? That would determine what medium of exchange you wish to hold. I'm sure Iraq would love to change currency's but I have a feeling (I'm not very informed) that our continued good relationship and closeness with Saudi Arabia is based on access to oil and the currency issue. I hope we're not on the verge of collapse but printing money doesn't help. I think that is probably an attempt to adjust our currency value against China's since they are supposedly keeping their currency weak.

      I appreciate your kind remark about the poem. It is an attack on misguided patriotism and worship. Who am I to say I am correct but it's the way I see it...

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      f_hruz 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      ... from what I know about the real reason, why Bush and Cheney told the International Community and the UN Security Council all that BS why Sadam had to be removed from power, it was the fact he sold oil based on the Euro, much like Iran is doing now ... ever noticed where Iran is located on the map? They are right between Iraq and Afghanistan!

      Not using US$ to pay for oil lowers the value of the US Petro Dollar. If the Saudis did the same thing, the US$ would have very little demand left in the world as an International Reserve Currency ... but the decline is unavoidable now because of the economic forces of the financial black hole the enormous US debt has created.

      The global economy is just waiting for the right moment to switch to an international basket of currencies to replace the US$ because the US wants to keep on spending on military junk around the world while at home the house of cards is folding.

      I like your poem, it's great ... if only people would understand that their patriotism has made them blind and religion is a great tool to keep their minds from ever penetrating their mental state of conditioning!

      Should the rest of the world care which irrationality goes into keeping faith in the American Dream? I find, most people not confused by religion or nationalism express their thoughts in a clearer form and have fewer illusions about reality ... :)

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      Thank you for commenting and being understanding about my views. You know.. when it comes to God and Jesus (a very symathetic figure and source of inspiration to me) I just don't know what to believe. I guess I'm what they might call a Christian Agnostic (from a book of the same title). I lean towards Jesus because of cultural reasons. I grew up in America and Chrisitianity is as imbedded in our culture as Islam is in the ME and Hinduism is in India. I don't ignore the impact the place of my birth and my surroundings have on my spiritual leanings. I'm pretty sure I would be a Muslim if I had been born in Tehran and possibly a Hindu had I been born next to a slumdog millionaire.

      As such I have no certainty about this stuff so I remain somewhat ambivalent and possibly confusing to readers of my poetry. I have written poems questioning atheists, christians and jews. I tend to target extremism and arrogance and play no favorites in that regard.

      But I am very clear on two things here on this hub: We attacked Iraq and the man who ordered it claims Jesus as his savior. That is what I question and it's that simple. One can read other things into the poem but I am declaring that this poem is actually very narrow in it's target audience and those who object either got bored and didn't get it or maybe they saw themselves and became uncomfortable.

      "In God We Trust" on money... amazing huh? The same God who sent a son who told a rich man the path to heaven was harder for a rich man than for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle, yet we put a reference to this same God on our legal tender...

      And there are those who insist we are a Christian nation....

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      f_hruz 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, Canada

      I first noticed your comments in another hub using rational arguments to reflect on questions of religious mythology. Art is a free-for-all. Poetry is great to express ones feelings but not so good to help us understand our emotions in a more rational way - your motives are clear to me, I feel them as being positive and strong but maybe you like to expand your set of tools so you can use your creative spark even more?

      So many died already, and the end is not even near but will the war criminal, Dick Cheney, ever hang for his crimes against humanity in a country many wish was run by good people with human values and some degree of objectivity?

      Is social activism a dirty word good consumers don't even think of anymore? Will that god they talk about on the almighty buck "in god we trust" come and stop the moral, cultural and economic decline of "one nation under god" before it is too late - or hey, maybe it's too late already ... and no gods will ever care for there were non to start with? :)

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I appreciate the support Debbie for real... maybe the poet side of me has that sensitivity. I don't want to be stubborn and defiant but I've thought long and hard about these things and have read the mainstream media and "alternative" media sources concerning the war and I feel confortable with my views....

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      debbiesdailyviews 7 years ago

      I just beleive in you thats all.

      You are an execellent writer, and your many fans trust your intent, and honesty.

      If you rile some people , so what, the problem lies with themselves.

      You wrote a brilliant poem, and the majority enjoyed it,

      And for those few that did not. Well then they did not !

      However, it is still a brilliant poem, even more so if one mere poem has struck such a cord

      That just shows how well you wrote it.

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      scriber1 adn Kim... thank you for your support. I think we should be allowed to question. There are no sacred cows. I'm not questionning God (if there is one); just what I see done in his name. It's happening all over the globe. But we have the nuclear arsenal and the military budget that is more than the rest of the world combined and with that kind of power comes a great responsibility. I want the US to be what it was intended to be: a beacon of light for freedom... for the tired and huddled masses... not a war machine that beats people over the head with misguided or misunderstood beliefs.

      I'm not here to make enemies: Christians and atheists are all welcome at my table but I guess I've not been turning the other cheek lately and I have to answer for that.

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      Kim Lynn 7 years ago

      S.B.-Call me clueless, but I thought great poetry came from great passion. Nobody has to agree. Emotions are not wrong or right. I am also weary of "Christians" who don't walk their talk. As well, as many other "religious" people who don't either. I appreciate your expression of passion! Thanks!

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      scriber1 7 years ago

      Can't help it?? I differ because helping is what you're eloquently doing. And I encourage you to read my hub We are: One - Two- Three

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas


      I felt as if you had me by the shoulders and your face was right up close to mine. I hear you and I appreciate it. I don't want to offend anyone and their personal beliefs. I feel strongly about these things and I believe the point that is missed by Christians in this poem is that the people I am targeting give Christianity a bad name. In a sense I'm helping out and taking the bullet for my judgements....

      I have plenty more poems to come and some will be perfect for small talk and some will rile people up.

      I can't help it...

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      debbiesdailyviews 7 years ago

      Listen to me s-p...

      Don't let this rock your boat.

      You have a right to say anything you wish.

      look at what I write about ?

      We all have freedom of speech.

      What you do is ART... and therefor you can have the license.

      You live in a free country, you can write POETRY on any subject you wish.

      You haven't done anything wrong at all. Your heart is always in the right place.

      Maybe if people read all your work they could see that for themselves.

      Keep standing up for your poem,

      Think about it like I do...

      " at least it's a conversation peace "

      As this is what I say when I get comments that don't agree with my views.

      You are deffinatly not a NUT, you're a brilliant POET, and don't forget that.

      Head up poet, and keep it up, you have a lot to be proud of.

      Allready looking out for ya next one. : }

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you for your support Debbie. It's an emotional issue that brings patriotism and spiritual beliefs into play. I should just write poems about love... Ha....

      It's interesting that I was accused of being insane (or appearing to be) when my poem was attempting to reconcile the Sermon on the Mount (BLESSED ARE THE PEACEMAKERS) with the actions of the greatest military machine in the history of mankind....

      Guess I'm the nut...

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      debbiesdailyviews 7 years ago

      Hi suburbanpoet.

      You are known for your wonderful poetry, and this is what, and who you are.

      You are entitled to write about anything you wish, and if this is what you feel, then so be it.

      Everyones entitled to their own view, however,

      It's a shame you seem to have come under atack, when all you did was write about something you felt.

      Please keep writing your beautiful poetry, we love the fact that you write about so many different things, and always with such feeling.

      I'm a great fan of yours, looking forward to lots more.

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I don't think I'm a wise man; I don't think I have an "attitude." I'm not really sure I get your point; I am objecting to the attack on Iraq ordered by a man who openly professes to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. He has political accolates who are carrying on and are followed by people who vote. That's what I am objecting about.

      What is your objection? That I not worry about us bombing innocent Muslims in Iraq? Is that it? That they deserve it?

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      tlmntim9 7 years ago

      Wow, quite a dialoge between the two of you, a couple points I can make, knowing that there is little one can say to attutudes like yours, The Suburban Poet, spoken in the vien and with the design of enlightenment and understanding. All men who think themselves wise....have just proven that they are not! The world will never know peace as long and men rule...Period! Men will always war, kill, rape and seek power and wealth, time for a little reality, futuristic utopia's do not exist! Be real! Tell the muslum subjected 12 year old girls married and forced into intercourse, or those whose genitals are mutilated, how about the babies, women, children that are blown to bits by the religion of Love? The 24 year old woman child who brains were smashed all over the sidewalk fro refusing to marry a man in his seventies....Wake up!

      Surley Mr Bush, nor any other Americian is to blame for all the worlds ills... Had he not been born they would still be killing, children, mothers, sisters, jews, christians, europeans, short any human that moves, by the tens of thousands. Your anger and hate is misdirected, you hate the best the world has ever known for the bad that has existed for millinia.

      Gdo bless all who are human, yet many are not! And that is the reality of our world, always has been, always will be....

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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      First I'm glad the tone you presented in your last post was one of friendship and understanding. That is how I like it and I hope I wasn't too aggressive.

      I have no problem with what you just said. Yes it typically is erroneous to broadbrush any group as stereotypical. I have my 52 years of experience and it's affected me in many ways. I think deeply about life and God and country and how it all fits together. This poem did not name names... it was in the vein of "you know who you are." I agree with you about the issues of medicine and prayer.

      I feel this country is in a battle FOR the hearts and minds of different cultures. When we present ourselves as a blessed nation "...under God" we open ourselves up to close scrutiny and in my view we have made horrible mistakes. Assuming God is on our side is the height of arrogance and that is what I am addressing.

      There are many things one can choose to address and many ways to do it. This poem was written in great frustration over things I believe happened for the wrong reasons. I have a son who will be of age in the near future and I don't want him to be used as a discardable tool for someone else's ambitions. And to add Jesus to the mix in order to appear divinly sanctioned is the harderst pill for me to swallow. So I spoke out on this subject in this forum in this manner.

      Is it perfect? No. Was it sarcastic? Probably but it's an emotional issue and if I show weakness of delivery then I have to stand up to that but that is all I have today. I was attacking a history with a feeling I have about it all. But it does tell the reader that I'm not a complete fool....

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      Aaron Rushing 7 years ago from USA- Florida

      Indeed the bombs have been dropped, Indeed Cults exist, But it is not Christianities fault. I am asking you distinguish in your writings between the individuals actions and the whole.

      If you wish to deal with the actions of the majority, you need to deal with the doctrines that govern those actions. For example. Jehovah witnesses refuse Blood Transfusions as a matter of doctrine. This doctrine foolishly and needlessly claims the lives of 9000 people a year. If we wish to correct this, We must deal with the doctrine. Criticizing those who practice this conviction is a Chasing after the wind. To effectively combat this bad doctrine we must show the insanity of the doctrine. by presenting the truth. Not by a sarcastic presentation, but by taking the doctrine seriously and respecting those who adhere to that belief system

      Also Abuse happens when corrupt men insincerely use religion for personal gain for power and position. The culprit is humanity, the nature of men. Christianity when applied personally will make you a better person. Better for your community and better for the nation. Read my Hubs I address this there.

      In The mean time, Go well my friend. I look forward to hearing more from you. The written word is powerful I hope you will consider my admonishment. It will give you more influence and help you make a more persuasive arguments



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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I have atheists who object to me too so I'm in the middle (to address your point about being more balance). The "grudge" is because the overwhelming number of Christians that I encounter are cult-like. It's not even a grudge; it's a weariness about the same assuredness over issues of faith.

      Atheists have their issues: arrogance and anger. But they are in the minority in America. Maybe you should talk to them about balance.

      My poem was drilled directly to people who bomb other nations and pretend to believers of Christ. No more no less... you can call me ignorant if you wish...

      Hopefully you and I are in agreement... maybe my poem was too long and it's easy to miss my point; maybe it was too vague... but my target audience to repeat myself are those who are big on war and who openly speak of tearing down the wall between church and state.

      You speak of coming from a place of humanity. You can worship as you wish but the bombs have been dropped and I'm only human and I continue to be outraged so I wrote a mere poem....

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      Aaron Rushing 7 years ago from USA- Florida

      There is a difference between the individual and the corporate body. If we want to talk about George Bush's double standard we will be in agreement. But when you judge the entire Christian faith by those individuals who do not take it seriously. You are showing ignorance.

      Everyone is a hypocrite at one time or other. It is a part of the human condition. I do not have a problem when someone speaks to the problem of hypocrisy so long as they do it from a position of humility. Realizing the he/she is no better than anyone else. This shows sensitivity maturity and wisdom.

      Also I never used my Lords name at all... Nor did I intend to. Showing once agian how quick you are to stereo-type and make assumptions.

      My point is that you are not balanced in your views. For whatever reason you have it out for the Christian faith. As long as you are angry, it come out in your writings.

      I am sure you have good things to say, some helpful criticisms that we all need to hear. But currently people like me will simply dismiss you perspective as uninformed angry and one sided. A chasing after the wind.

      Make you thought more palpable to the Christian world. Get rid of the grudge.


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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I am admonishing people like George Bush who bomb other countries while simultaneously telling us that Jesus is his savior. If the shoe fits wear it if not then I'm not talking to you (meaning you are not the target audience).

      And to help you not waste your time please don't tell me that Jesus is real because I hear it all the time.

      I don't understand why it would be a waste of time. Are we to ignore hypocrisy?

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      Aaron Rushing 7 years ago from USA- Florida

      Dear Suburban Poet:

      Your are making some assumptions in this poem that quite frankly does not make sense to those of us of whom you are speaking.

      If you wish to admonish us take the time to understand our perspectives.Please read my hubs

      "My Soap Box: Violence Is Not The Answer"


      A Christian Nation

      The two hubs I have listed speak to the problems you are addressing in this poem. They are written from my Christian perspective. I hope they will help you better understand, and speak to, the Christian world.

      I applaud your desire to make the world a better place. Poetry can be a powerful tool. Use it wisely my friend. Make every word count.

      Your poem while well written, with rhythm and rhyme,

      will not be successful, It's a waste of your time.

      If you want to bring change, A Peace to mankind.

      Then look at both sides, a balance you'll find.

      to make your thoughts count, you are for warned.

      Take a look at my hubs and be informed.

      That was fun. Let me be clear. It is not that my hubs are better then yours or that they have all the answers. It is simply that you are speaking to people like me and accusing us of things we have not done nor do believe in. This makes you look insane from our perspective. In short, The shoe does not fit.


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      Mark Lecuona 7 years ago from Austin, Texas

      Thank you Fiddleman and Deborah...

      I don't want to be political but the strong military, anti-abortion, pro-death penalty and tear down the wall between church and state crowd bug me to say the least. I don't want to be judgemental but at times it is unavoidable....

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      Deborah Demander 7 years ago from First Wyoming, then THE WORLD

      This is a great poem. Religion is the enemy of peace and love. Religion tends to drive us from God, and to the manmade rules of extremism.

      Until people begin to think for themselves, and seek a personal relationship with God, we will continue to see mans inhumanity to man.


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      Fiddleman 7 years ago

      Great poem and some great thoughts to make one think.