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The Suicide Hotline : A Sobering Look At The Indifferent Face of Suicide Prevention

Updated on January 4, 2017
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wrenchBiscuit said: "Being born is the most severe form of suicide. Not ending in a moment. But one moment ending for a lifetime."

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This image is a representation of my perception of death. I am not afraid of death, but will welcome it. And in death may I forever dwell. Kiss me!

In case you may ever consider calling a suicide hotline, I am presenting this information so that you will not be too surprised when after waiting an average of ten minutes on hold for someone to respond, you realize that you are finally talking to someone, but nobody's home. After my experience on the suicide hotline, on several occassions during the last two years, I am convinced that such services often do more harm than good, and are actually leading people to commit suicide, instead of preventing it. When a person calls a suicide hotline it is often their last resort. But when the person in crisis realizes that the person on the other end is just reading from a script, really doesn't care, and is just "doing their job", then it could easily be the straw that breaks the camels back. Here is just one of several interesting conversations I have had on the Veterans Crisis Line.

wrenchBiscuit on the Suicide Hotline

Suicide Hotline: How may I help you sir?

wrenchBiscuit: I don't know. You tell me. How can you help me?

Sucide Hotline: Well that depends sir, what brings you on the phone today?

wrenchBiscuit: I saw your ad online that said your organization is here to help people, and so I would like to know how you can help?

Suicide Hotline: Well, what brings you on the phone this evening? Let's start with that.

(Please note that at this point I have twice clearly stated my purpose, and I have twice been ignored)

wrenchBiscuit: I don't understand why you are unable to answer my question, as I believe it is quite clear.

Suicide Hotline: It's difficult to provide that kind of support when I'm not quite sure what the situation is.

wrenchBiscuit: OK, forget about me for a moment. What do you normally do for people in general? Or give me just one example of how you have helped someone.

Suicide Hotline: [Loud impatient sigh] Well generally we talk to people and help them get connections with resources helping them through crisis, so I'll ask you, are you in crisis right now sir?

wrenchBiscuit: Well, that depends on what your definition of "crisis" is. It is not unusual for two people to have a different definition for the same word. In order to give you the proper answer, I first need to know how you define the word "crisis".

Suicide Hotline: OK sir, I'm just saying I'm not really sure how this conversation is going to be productive, because I'm asking you, you know, what's bringing you on the phone? What's going on? And rather than telling me, you know, what you're experiencing, what you're going through, you're kinda asking me questions about "it", rather than telling me what's going on.

( If you re-read this exchange up to this point you will be reminded that I have told this moron exactly what is going on. I first clearly asked how he could help me, and then I clearly asked what his definition of "crisis" was, and even briefly explained the importance of a common definition.)

wrenchBiscuit: I have told you exactly what is going on, but you are reluctant to answer my questions.

Suicide Hotline: Let me see, are you thinking of Suicide sir?

wrenchBiscuit: I asked you a reasonable question about your definition of "crisis". However, instead of answering my question, you are now asking me if I want to kill myself. Your methodolgy is quite remarkable.

Suicide Hotline: OK sir, I'm going to terminate this call. I'm not sure this is really progressing anywhere. So I'm going to end the call. I do thank you for your time.

[At this point the Hotline hangs up.]

It is apparent that the individual I was speaking to here was very arrogant, indifferent, and impatient, with absolutely no compassion for a human being in crisis. He was reading from a script, and he was also expecting scripted responses from me. The fact that he "thanked me for my time', when he was obviously annoyed by our conversation, indicates that his words are meaningless. How can we believe and trust such a person when their behavior is more reminiscent of a parrot than a thoughtful and caring human being? How can an individual be motivated to continue living, when at the 11th hour he is reminded that no one really gives a damn?

This individual had no idea of what I was going through. Anyone who has ever suffered trauma, or witnessed the effects of severe emotional distress, understands that the person in crisis does not always dot all of their "i's" or cross all of their "t's". On the contrary, an individual under such pressure may ramble,or speak in riddles. The emotional pain they are experiencing may prohibit them from directly addressing the problem, as the burden may simply be too great for them to bear. They may also be quick to anger, and even verbally abusive to those who may be seeking to help.

Once while living in the state of New York I was driving down a suburban street with my girlfriend. Suddenly we saw a small dog flopping around on the side of the road. The dog had just recently been ran over by an automobile. I pulled over and my girlfriend picked up the poor creature and held it on her lap as I continued to the nearest veterinary clinic, which was just about a quarter of a mile away. But when we got there we were informed that they did not handle such cases. And so, I had to drive over ten miles to the nearest clinic that would help. The poor little dog had been squarely ran over. It's belly was ripped open. It's intestines were exposed, and it was a bloody mess. But it was the screams of the poor animal that still trouble me the most. I have never heard such a sound of pure torment, and utter agony. The screams that emanated from this wretched soul almost sounded human. And for the entire trip, which took at least 20 minutes through the city traffic, the screaming continued unabated. If I would have had a gun I would have gladly shot the little dog to end it's suffering. Thankfully, when we got to the clinic, the owners who were visiting from out of town were soon located. They arrived shortly thereafter and had the little dog put down. And so, what is the point of this sad story?

The point is, when people are suffering from great emotional distress they are a lot like the little dog in my story.They must escape from the pain. They must find a way to ease the pain, or they must end the misery themselves. Words alone cannot prevent suicide. Presenting a scripted presentation to persons in crisis is not only useless, but it is a heartless gesture, and can even make matters worse. Words must be wrapped in love and understanding. Our words must then be followed with a positive action; not necessarily to find a "solution", but to find a way to ease the pain and the suffering.

For instance, when a man's wife and 3 children are killed in a motor vehicle collison, there is no such thing as "closure". There is only a huge gaping hole in this mans life that can never be filled. For such a man there is no solution, or remedy for the pain. For this man there are only two alternatives. He can either find a way to live with the pain, or he can end his life. It is our responsibility to help him find a way to live with the pain. We must never tell such a person that things are going to get better, because for him they never will. But instead, we must help such a man find another reason to live; a reason for continuing his life, in spite of the pain of loss; in spite of the pain of remembering.

I am very disappointed, but not surprised by my sobering experience on the Veterans Crisis Line. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran, but if I should ever seriously contemplate suicide, the Veterans Crisis Line will not be the last number I would consider calling. This number will not even be on my list!

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 10 months ago

      You make very good points. And I must admit I am surprised I did not think of replacing volunteers with professionals. It never crossed my mind. That just helps to illustrate how effective and insidious mind control can be. I was so conditioned and programmed to accept the status quo that I missed the obvious. Thanks for reading.

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      Zeron87 10 months ago

      Unfortunately, situation sounds like another product of our "processed" society. According to my research, some the staff on the suicide hotlines are trained volunteers. However, even if they're trained by professionals, and the next part is my inference, they're probably reading from a script for liability purposes. This means their training has them say things a certain way so if the family of the person committing suicide talked to the hotline, they would have trouble suing the hotline.

      Sadly, the biggest tragedy of this is it puts the well being of a hotline of volunteers over a person's life, which perpetuates the problem with our society: We place the importance of institutions over the lives of individuals, oftentimes for money.

      And this warrants the biggest question: Why place something as important as a suicide hotline, considering the fragility of the situation, in the hands of volunteers to begin with? Why not acquire professionals who have enough confidence to not jump through scripts to save a person's life? It's like getting a nurse with a month of training to perform brain surgery.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 11 months ago

      C.E. Clark. Thanks for reading. Yes, our lives are so short any major changes seem to take a long time. And a great majority still haven't learned the golden rule, nor do they care to. As I believe I mentioned, this short conversation was identical to another conversation I had the same day on the same hotline with a young woman. I made the call from my computer and recorded the conversation I presented here. Yes I was purposely being evasive because I was playing the mystery shopper. I had bet myself that I would get such a response, and unfortunately I won the bet. And so it is not unreasonable to assume that people who have called this number have been driven to kill themselves upon realizing that even the people at the Suicide Hotline are reading from a script and don't really give a damn. And as the singer/songwriter Alanis Morissette might say "Isn't It Ironic?"

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      C E Clark 11 months ago from North Texas

      So many government employees, including, and especially the elected ones, forget they are working for us, and if not for us they might not have a job at all.

      So many people nowadays seem put out when asked to do their jobs to where one can't help but wonder why they bother to show up.

      Most of the time I agree with what you write on the many subjects you have written on, and here I believe as you say, that these people answering the phones are doing more harm than good. Quite true that when one is in crisis of any kind they may not make sense or be terribly agreeable.

      Funny how so many people demand certain behaviors and require great patience for their own, but have no consideration for others when those others are going through difficult times.

      Appreciate that you have brought this issue to light. If no one does that, nothing changes. It will still be a long time before change comes, but at least you and some of those who read this article will make efforts to bring about that change that sounds to be desperately needed.

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      JL Reyes 15 months ago from The Edge of Saturns Rings

      Wow, I am floored. What a powerful piece. Thank you for bringing up this conversation. Mental health is too often stigmatized and too often when one does look for help it's almost like a game a Russian Roulette, will a person receive someone on the other line who is passionate about their niche in this world or just as you say ... just 'doing their job?' It shouldn't be the case in situations like this. Kind of like our prison systems, inmates should be with psychiatrists and teachers so that they may come back into the world rehabilitated and their 'debt paid' to society. Nothing is meant to heal in this world, just treat. Thank you for sharing something so personal as well, appreciated you stopping by. Happy to have come across this piece. Stay blessed, always woke.

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      Stas Karimov 15 months ago from Republic of Belarus

      I have sent you a letter. You do not respond. If you reject my proposal can you say why?

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 16 months ago

      I agree I think it is a good idea. So what is next?

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      Stas Karimov 16 months ago from Republic of Belarus

      About suicide.

      Our life is not our property. God decides, we deserve to be in Heaven or we have to live and suffer on earth. If a person commits suicide a person goes against God. God is an artist. God drew special fingerprints for you - God wants justice !!!

      About suffering.

      Everyone has problems. There is no absolutely happy people. You are Vietnam Era Veteran. Now America do not need you! All humans are imperfect. But we can create perfect organization. Perfect organization is society in which beneficial to help one another.

      I want to create an information filter. I want to create a happy society.

      I invented the principle - everything for everyone.

      I love truth and justice. If you love truth and justice - we are religious brothers. My life is your life and your life is my life.

      My life - I'm a writer and inventor but I do not know English.

      Your life - you are an American citizen and you know English language.

      Imagine what will happen if we combine our resources. Now imagine what will happen if a million people (who love truth and justice) will join forces!

      What do you think about it?

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      The "mind" is Satan's battlefield!

      Philippians 4:8 "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."


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      Missy Smith 17 months ago from Florida

      Hey WB, how are you? I suppose I assumed more than I should have when I read this. I'm glad you didn't see a lot of the mass destruction and murder of war. My dad was actually in the AF when Vietnam was going on, and he was lucky enough to never be drafted to the war zone parts. He was a mechanic on the planes, but he did help with carrying the deceased back home. It's all strange. Although he didn't fight, he doesn't really talk much about his life during that time, except for after it was ending. He stayed in for a little while, because I was born in 71', and he was still serving, but back in the states.

      I was relieved to see you answering our comments today, that meant you are surviving another day. I think that is all our duty here on earth is supposed to be, whether we want to keep going or not, we have to find a way to do so, or we might not make it to our real home.

      My main thing is this-you are not alone. I know for a lot of us; we feel lost to this world. We are misunderstood, and judged for that. We don't conform or see things in a tunnel vision type of way. We see things from all different perspectives. We put ourselves in many unlike shoes, and sometimes it depresses us to feel that much.

      Your parents were the part of your life that actually understood you, and helped you see your potential in this world, and I can totally understand that you miss them. I think about my parents leaving all the time now as they are getting older every day. I notice their frailty more and more. Although they don't really get me as a person, they love me as their child and make me feel a part of something. I'm just saying; I understand.

      Take care and many blessings, ~Missy

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago

      Yes, I do recall what I said Norine. People think that prophets only live in a dusty book upon a dusty shelf. And many also have the misconception that great men and women are only those who have been sanctioned and glorified by the status quo, and various religious organizations. But I am not so simple minded.

      Your words are comforting. But it is not possible to feel the heat unless we are standing close to the fire. Many have come too close, and so they have been consumed by it. Yesterday I was afraid, and today I am even more afraid, because I fear I have come too close. But I don't worry about tomorrow, because tomorrow I will be free. I saw what I thought I wanted to see, I feel what I thought I wanted to feel, and I have heard what I thought I wanted to hear.

      But in my adolescent dreams of discovery and enlightenment, it never crossed my mind that what is seen and heard, and felt, must then be picked up and carried with us. It is not something that we can simply leave behind. And it can be a very heavy burden. Yes, the angels want to wear my red shoes. But today I would trade my red shoes just to sit beside my Father as he plows the field; to feel the hot mid-western sun upon my neck and to wonder at the clear blue sky above us; to smell his sweat and the broken Earth; to drink the cold lemonade that my Mother has made for us; to see her smile, her big bosom and pleasing shape, and to hear the melodious sound of her voice. I cannot account for what other people believe about life and death. I only know what I know. I am not concerned about whether or not there is a Heaven. I know Heaven exists because I have already been there. In Syria, and throughout the world, they are pulling these children up by the roots. These children are being denied what many of us here have long since taken for granted. While we have been chasing dreams, they have been dodging bullets.

      Many will suggest that it does no good to commiserate about the facts of life that we cannot physically control. But they are missing a very important piece of the puzzle. My very thoughts are physical in nature. They could not be otherwise, since they exist within the context of flesh, blood, and bone. But just as one man cannot push a car up a steep hill. The thoughts of one man are not enough to make a significant impact on world events. But if we assemble 50 men together, we can easily push a car up a steep hill. If we assemble 500 men, we can do it even faster! It is the same with human thought. Thought is physical, and thinking is also action. When men pray together, not just for 5 minutes, but when they wake up in prayer, and carry those same thoughts and prayers throughout the day, each and every day of the year, then change will surely come, as there could be no other possible outcome. Just as when 500 men come to push the car up the hill, the car will move even if the wheels are frozen and refuse to roll!

      There is power in prayer, and prayer can stop the war, the war mongers, and the killing. But the people have not been taught how to pray together, and to consolidate their collective good will. They have been deceived into believing that human thought is not a tangible physical force, when in truth it is the very foundation of all human endeavor. We have been led to believe that thought and action are two separate things. But pure thought alone is itself action, and is a powerful and unstoppable force when it has been focused toward a specific goal, and then multiplied. If we want the killing to stop, we must stop relying on politicians, the very people who benefit from war, to help us. We must choose to collectively arm ourselves with a Weapon of Prayer. Otherwise, let us be honest and accept that we are only hypocrites and cowards pretending Jesus.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago


      Thank You! I agree 150%. That was the key to kingdom that I was looking for. Just moments before, I had a similar conversation with a young woman on the same hotline, and she also hung up on me in less than a minute or two. I was playing the role of the "Mystery Shopper". Writing and recording music can get very tedious, and so I have to sometimes distract myself for a while. Naturally, since I enjoy confrontation, I will either jump in an online Forum full of racist commentators, or make a phone call such as this.

      Usually, when I call a mental health clinic and offer my services I am quite amused at the responses I get. Of course, such interaction usually ends up with the person on the other end of the line trying to get you to come in so they can shrink you, dissect you, and then pump what's left of you full of drugs. When I get to the part in the conversation where I tell them I know how to save the world, I can almost hear them salivating.

      But I was not in the least amused by what I found on the Veterans Crisis Line. This is just one more example of why I get annoyed at all of the lip service paid to veterans on Memorial Day, and Veterans Day. In my daily life I don't see a lot of true respect for veterans. We can easily understand that the way I was treated on the hotline is most likely the rule and not the exception. I can also tell you that how we are treated at Veterans Clinics across the nation is not much different. And I am not suggesting that anyone should roll out the red carpet for me. I never had to fight, I never had to kill anyone, and I never had to witness the carnage. But if we are going to believe in the lie that these men and women have been fighting and dying for freedom, then we must also accept the truth that whether their cause was right or wrong, combat veterans have exceedingly fulfilled their obligation to this country. And they should not be left waiting, or wanting for anything, but should at the head of every line: ahead of the politicians, ahead of the rich celebrities, and ahead of corporate executives. Anything less simply amounts to lip service, which amounts to nothing less than a lie.

      The fact that a program like "The Wounded Warriors Project" even exists is an outrage! This program was started as a grass roots organization by veterans who wanted to reach out and help disabled war veterans. What? Isn't that what the government is supposed to be doing? And isn't this the same government that sent these disabled veterans into harms way in the first place? I applaud the efforts of the WWP, but it should have never been necessary. Yet, it is high fashion to "Honor The Vet", and to say "Thank You For Your Service". But words are so very easy to say.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago

      Thank you Missy. But I was never in a war. The only fighting I have ever done was in the streets, where egos and knuckles were bruised, but no one died or suffered permanent injury. I enlisted in 1974 when the war was almost over. But I did have friends older than me who fought in Vietnam, and who were disabled.

      As far as volunteering: Yes, that would be good for me to do, but it is not possible at the moment. I simply couldn't afford to do it. And I do not expect to be healed. Nor do I expect to be happy. I feel that children should have all of the happiness in the world. And that is what was provided for me by my Mother and Father. But unless they are resurrected from the dead, or my memory is erased, then happiness is not an option. It was a passing season, and I am grateful for that. I live to sing and to make music, and that is enough for me, as it is more than many men will ever have.

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      Are you ready now Wrench Biscuit?

      Those "red shoes" too tight; you "handsome" dog?

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      Hxprof 17 months ago from Clearwater, Florida

      Wrench: You had quite an experience with the hotline. What this person needs to say when asked "How can you help me" is "I can listen". That's it. If a crisis counselor isn't there to listen, they're not there to do their job.

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      Missy Smith; you're "spot on!"

      It's called "ministering" to others and is the greatest "SERVICE" one can do for mankind!

      "...When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. And he gave some apostles; and some prophets, and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the "ministry," for the edifying of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:8;11-12)!


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      Missy Smith 17 months ago from Florida

      Hey WB, your hubs are always so interesting to read. This one struck a curious interest to me, because I, too, suffer from suicidal thoughts on occasion and have since I was a very little girl. I don't know what kind of trauma I suffered back then, but I feel in every core of my soul that something did happen to me, and I have just blocked it out. So, with that, I say I was an outcast, a loner; it's the only thing I have to explain why I am like this at times.

      First, I can say that the suicide hotline has never been an option for me. I always knew just what you stated above here, and that is; they are scripted and would probably only make me feel more depressed about life than I was before I called.

      In saying that though, I see now a similarity with you and I as you talked about the little dog on the road. It is people who hurt the most, that do not like seeing anyone or anything suffer in anyway. We know how hard it is to suffer, and if we can help someone or something, we do it.

      Depression is like a constant gaping wound that never completely heals; just when you think that it may finally close, something comes along and rips it wide open again. It could even be a memory that decided to revisit your thoughts that opens it. I'm sure you have some really tough memories from the war. I'm so remorseful for that. I'm sorry to all the soldiers who had to witness such violence at very young ages.

      When I think about how suicide affects some of us, I don't think there is a hotline out there that could help. No, I think it is our own perseverance to survive-just like being thrust out in combat- that sees us through and brings us to an understanding of life, and the world like no other could ever see. That's a good thing, right?

      You know what else I think? I think you could heal yourself even more by helping others. I think about that hotline guy that answered the phone to you; he had no clue on what to say to someone who was in pain, but you do WB. You would have known what to say to someone in that very moment, and right when you picked up the phone. Maybe think about volunteering on a suicide hotline? Didn't you feel better trying your damndest to get that little dog some help? And even though it did not survive, you had done a great service to it and its owners by trying.

      Take care WB, and never let the world stop you from healing. :)

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      And "The Beat Goes On" rather talk "man" than GOD!


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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 17 months ago from Fontana

      WB, why don't you start a blog. Report incidences as they come up. Write commentary. Use social media to promote your blog and draw people to it. It will get to the point that mainstream media will pay attention. We may see you on CNN talking about it!

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      WB, do you recall when you made a statement to the question "Why are Christians Afraid..." I can't recall the exact title of the question, and you commented to the commentators to "Listen to this prophet;" speaking of me? That night, GOD woke me up by calling my name "literally" and asked me to "Go to the computer!" I actually thought it was my husband calling me (who sometimes falls asleep of the sofa). Being late, I played possum and ignored! Then HE called me again; much louder! I looked around the room in search of my husband and to my surprise; he was nowhere to be found! I obeyed and went to the computer and Something told me to go to the question I had last commented on and that is when I found your statement that they should “Listen to this prophet!” I “literally” broke into tears for you were “my witness” from GOD! Scripture says in Deuteronomy 19:15; Matthew 18:16 and II Corinthians 13:1 “Where there are two are three witnesses, the WORD is established!” LORD, I know you may think this a LIE, but GOD has spoken! You are “my witness” and NEVER think “I am like a ten gallon bucket of water, and ten gallons is all that it can hold” for GOD is not through with you yet! When you made this statement, HE brought John 4:14 “to my remembrance” (John 14:26) which says “But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.” So how can you say “…and ten gallons is all that it can hold?” GOD is using you now and will continue to do so! HE has “chosen” you!

      Well, tonight HE did the same thing! I went to bed around 9PM and all of a sudden, Something woke me up to find your response to my comment after only 3 hours of sleep! Man, you can’t tell me this is not GOD! I read your response to Diane and to me and GOD told me to respond to these portions!

      “But I am relentless, and I love to hate evil. It feels good, and I can't get enough of it.” By this comment, I KNOW (you may not) that you are “chosen!” Scripture says in Psalms 45:7 and Hebrews 1:9 “YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS, THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS!” Didn’t Deuteronomy, Matthew and II Corinthians say “Where there are two are three ‘witnesses,’ the WORD is established?” Well, there are your two ‘witness’ Scriptures telling you “GOD has anointed you with the oil of gladness ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS!” Hallelujah! Thank you JESUS!

      You stated, “But there is a little cockatiel living in my house. And when he is hungry he screams at me to remind that he needs to be fed. And so I stop my work and attend to his need. I cannot imagine that God would have any less consideration for me. And so, when I argue with God, I experience God's mercy, and I can only imagine the amusement; the spectacle of something so fragile, and so very small making such a loud noise.” GOD SAID in Matthew 6:26-34 “Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not MUCH BETTER than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if GOD so clothe the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the over, shall he not MUCH MORE clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? Or What shall we drink? Or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these thing do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye FIRST the kingdom of GOD, and his righteousness; and ALL THESE THINGS shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”

      GOD told me to tell you “For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for the that toucheth you toucheth THE APPLE OF HIS EYE. For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall KNOW that the LORD of hosts hath sent me” (Zechariah 2:8-9)!

      MY GOD! How BLESSED you are!



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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago

      Yes, thank you Norine. I do believe we have a reason for being here. Many become frustrated and fearful because they cannot find answers to so many questions. Many have hardened their hearts , and they turn to the world for answers that the world simply cannot give. And so, there is much confusion.

      And many do not realize what they themselves have shaped into idols, because it is difficult to recognize evil when evil is your constant companion. I find it remarkable that so many Americans look to men like Donald Trump for solutions, when the solution can be found in the very teachings of Jesus; the teachings that the European falsely claims this country was founded on.

      But the United States, and all of the colonialist nations on this continent were founded on the greed of the European aristocracy. Very few have ever seriously applied the teachings of Jesus to their daily life, and those who do are often persecuted for it. I do not know if Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning are Christians. But I know that often we will find those who claim to be Christians are nothing but insidious demons, while those labeled as criminals by this evil system behave as Saints and Martyrs.

      There is no good reason why anyone should be suffering from PTSD today, and it is nothing less than an outrage! Too many lives have been shattered so that a wealthy and powerful few can indulge their carnal desires, and attend to their insatiable lust for even more power. Your husband is lucky to have been blessed with Norine.

      I stopped trying to understand my purpose many years ago. As I have often said, I am like a ten gallon bucket of water, and ten gallons is all that it can hold. But I frequently argue with God. And it is not because I am looking for answers that are beyond my comprehension. Nor is it because I feel I am greater than God. But there is a little cockatiel living in my house. And when he is hungry he screams at me to remind that he needs to be fed. And so I stop my work and attend to his need. I cannot imagine that God would have any less consideration for me. And so, when I argue with God, I experience God's mercy, and I can only imagine the amusement; the spectacle of something so fragile, and so very small making such a loud noise.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 17 months ago


      Yes, that's what we would all like to think, but that's not how it is. There is really no one to complain to. When you call the local VA, you sit on the phone listening to muzak for 10, 15, twenty minutes waiting to talk to someone. When you finally get to talk to someone they commonly act like they are doing you a favor. They are very impatient, and the general attitude is arrogant and condescending.

      For instance, there are those within the Veterans Administration here in the West Palm Beach area who have a great scam going. I don't know all of the details, and I don't know whose pockets the money is going into. But I have uncovered irrefutable evidence that here locally, veterans who are qualified for disability pensions are being lied to and denied their benefits. Of course, the surplus is being re-directed to corrupt VA officials and representatives. We can be sure that the surplus is not being sent to the moon. Since many of these veterans are sick and disabled, it is understood that the majority will not fight the system, and so they are easy prey for unscrupulous VA officials.

      I recently notified a patient advocate at West Palm Beach VA of what I have uncovered. Her response was, and this is verbatim: "What would you like me to do?" Yes! That is exactly what she said. Of course, at that point in the conversation I realized that it was pointless talking to myself. She claimed in a very patronizing tone that she would forward the information up the chain to her superiors. But of course, I know she won't. And I know that because she didn't ask for my name, or any contact information.

      But I am relentless, and I love to hate evil. It feels good, and I can't get enough of it. My next step is to forward my information to the OIG (Office of the Inspector General). My hope is to get these bastards sent to prison for how they are leeching off of disabled veterans, and denying them the financial assistance that they deserve; the financial assistance that the American people want them to have. God is great, but I am not certain that there is a Hell deep enough, or wide enough to contain this much evil.

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      I'm sorry WB, I meant "You're the "wind" beneath my wings" (aka encouragement)!

      Diane the VA is another "political" entity as well. Enough said!

      Happy New Year ALL!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 17 months ago from Fontana

      That hotline script is chilling. Have complaints been made to the VA? Aren't the people who work the hotline volunteers? If so, they should be screened for motivation. I would think veterans would have more compassion for each other.

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      Norine Williams 17 months ago

      WB, you have a value to the "King of Kings" and the "Lord of Lords!" What would I do without you in my life? What would I do if you were not here to remind me "SERVICE" is also important? What would I do if you were not here to reaffirm what GOD has "revealed" to me? You are my witness! You strengthen me! You remind me! You encourage me to "Preach the Word!"

      We're ALL here for a reason! We're ALL a part of HIS PLAN! You may not realize it but you've impacted my life in a positive way! You may not realize it but you also impact others lives on HP by your writing! No man is an island! We all need a "witness" and you are mine! What would I do without you?

      GOD brought Scripture to "my remembrance" which said "A Prophet is not alone" or something to that effect and when I Googled it gave me Luke 4:24 but that was not what I was looking for! However, my eyes feel upon Luke 4:18-19 and is a witness Scripture for the Scripture HE gave me when HE called me into ministry in Isaiah 61! Luke 4:18-19 says "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord!"

      Ezekiel 2:1-10 is the Scripture I was looking for!

      GOD is pointing me to you! I don't know why; I just do as commanded! It is predestined!

      I am married to a 100% disabled PTSD Vietnam Era Veteran and will tell you as I tell him "You are the wings beneath my (Spiritual) wings" as JESUS is our "cornerstone!"

      LOVE YOU!

      Don't give up because GOD HAS A PLAN!


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