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The Writer's Mailbag: Installment 159

Updated on July 17, 2017

Life Marches On

Up here in Western Washington, we feel the change in seasons quicker than some of you might in the lowers states. I can already feel the loss of heat at five, six in the evening, and it is a very subtle reminder that summer is waning and fall is slowly approaching.

Such is life. I am approaching sixty-nine years of age. When I was twenty I firmly believed that sixty-nine was ancient, and if I lived that long it would be as an invalid. LOL Now I may be a bit slower today, but an invalid I am not. My mind is still sharp, I can still do physical work, and I am still very active . . . so the changing of my seasons is without a doubt happening but it, too, is very subtle.

I love my life. There was a time that was not true. In 2005 I wanted to die. Today, if death were imminent, I would go out kicking and screaming, because I’m having far too much fun.

Such is life!

Thank you for being on this journey with me.

Let’s read some mail!

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Organizing a Book

From Eric: “But on a serious note. Bill I gather that when you are writing to publish a book in goes page one through page....I am trying to get ready to publish and my pages will go ???? Because my stuff isn't what my son calls a "chapter book". Can you give me a suggestion on how to organize just so that I can get organized? Maybe you could at least organize my question into a better question ;-)”

I’ll do that, Eric, after I finish laughing about your organization comment.

Organizing a reflective book is a bit trickier than organizing a standard novel . . . maybe “trickier” isn’t the right word . . . it’s just a different process. If it’s a “how to” book, then the process is pretty straightforward. You are teaching people how to do something, so you start with the baby steps and move on to proficiency.

But if it is a reflective piece, like a compilation of your “sermon” pieces, then you really start where you feel you should start. Make a list of the topics covered by all of the pieces you are going to include. Then shuffle those topics around into some sort of logical flow. Heck, there may not be a logical flow to it all. If one piece is about listening, and one piece about loving strangers, and one piece about raising children, there really is no correct way to determine which should go first.

If your book is about what I think it is about, then begin with an introduction explaining why you felt it was so important that you publish that book. Explain what the purpose is of that book, that it is a mishmash of different topics about life, and then just start putting it together.

Don’t get bogged down by the small stuff…..and if you want me to look over your list of topics and help you with the sorting, I’ll do that too.

Best wishes!

This picture is marketing . . . I'm always marketing, even when I'm doing nothing but talking to people.  A writer does not face an easy path in life, so work hard and be determined.
This picture is marketing . . . I'm always marketing, even when I'm doing nothing but talking to people. A writer does not face an easy path in life, so work hard and be determined. | Source

DIFFICULT

From Natalie: “I’m really struggling with this writing business. I’ve written three novels and have sold a total of twelve books over two years. I don’t know what to do. A part of me is angry because there is so much junk out there now, it seems like the market is flooded with substandard work, some of it actually published by real publishers, and I can’t get anyone to read mine or be interested in it for publishing. What am I doing wrong? Any advice you might have would be appreciated.”

Natalie, I read your question with equal parts of sympathy, empathy, and humor. I do not mean to be snippy when I say that but damn, girl, two years????? Are you kidding me? You want to know why you aren’t successful after two years?

I’ve been doing this for eight years. Am I where I want to be? Not even close, but I’m doing better than I was six years ago, so there is my answer to you . . .

Strap on your big girl panties and get to work. There are no “get rich quick” paths in writing. This is a marathon, not a sprint.

Having said that, I do have empathy and understanding for you. You are correct when you say there is a great amount of junk out there. It annoys the hell out of me at times, that some writers actually get picked up by a real publishing company, and they don’t have an ounce of my talent . . . but that’s me feeling sorry for myself, and I won’t do that for long.

My job is to be the best writer I can be. After that my job is to market my work to the best of my abilities. I may never be famous, but if I’m not it won’t be because I felt sorry for myself. I refuse to be a victim.

I love writing. It is that love which carries me forward day after day after day. I do not need purchases of my books to feed that love of writing. Heck, I may turn out to be one of those writers who becomes famous after he dies. That’s fine with me, because prior to my death I was having a blast doing what I love to do.

How cool is that?

Who do I write for? I have no clue, but I do know who I market towards.  Those are two different animals.
Who do I write for? I have no clue, but I do know who I market towards. Those are two different animals. | Source

Who Do You Write For?

From Olivia: “Bill, can you tell me who you write for? When you sit down to write a book, or a story, do you have a particular audience in mind?”

Olivia, the answer to your second question first: NO! I have no particular audience in mind when I write my novels. Now that I have that out of the way, let me tackle your first question.

I’m a storyteller. I think I have been for a very long time. I told a lot of stories when I was a teacher, and I’m still telling them. I remember, as a kid, sitting around at family gatherings listening to my dad and my uncles and grandparents talk about life back when they were younger. I learned about war that way, about hard work that way, and about responsibilities that way. My next door neighbor, Mister Witherspoon, came across the Oregon Trail as a young boy, and I remember listening to him tell me stories about coming west on that Trail.

So I’m a storyteller. I don’t particularly care who my audience is when I write. The only time this topic enters my internal conversation is when it is time to market my books. Then I need to be aware of who might read a paranormal thriller and market accordingly.

So to answer your first question, I write for myself, and I write for all of those relatives who took the time to tell a young boy stories, and I write for the future storytellers, who will hopefully be inspired by my stories and will become storytellers themselves.

LET’S WRAP IT UP

Only three questions but they were great questions. Thanks to those who asked, and thanks to those who stopped by to read.

Have a great week of writing, a great week of living, and a great week of storytelling.

2017 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly”

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Mike! Times have definitely changed, my friend. I'm just trying to keep my head above water as it rises.

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      mckbirdbks 3 weeks ago from Emerald Wells, Just off the crossroads,Texas

      Hi Bill - I think you offered Eric a close to perfect answer. The word editor, in the answer would have pushed it into the perfect answer category.

      I am distressed to hear that the big girls panties are now being strapped on. Times certainly have changed.

      Enjoyed the mailbag as always.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for sharing that bug about the classes, Lori! I'm not sure that's something I would do, although I did see one taught by Aaron Sorkin on screenwriting that I thought might be fascinating.

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      Lori Colbo 3 weeks ago from Pacific Northwest

      All three of these questions spoke to me and your answers as well. Marketing and organizing a book are a bit stressful to me as a new book writer (only just beginning).

      My best friend recently paid for me to go through the Steve Martin MasterClass curriculum for stand up comedy. It's full of him teaching comedy via video, notes, assignments, etc. What surprised me is that on that website there are dozens of other successful, well known professionals, from various types of writers, to actors, to art, music, pretty much anything that has to do with creativity. James Patterson has a course on writing, and there are several screenplay and playwriters. I have not taken any of them yet because my primary interest was comedy as I do that once in awhile on the side and I have three gigs coming up. But I can't wait to take the writing courses. Just to put a bug in some ears.

      Thanks for all you do here Bill. I'm all for spreading wings and flying.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Jo, for the nice words. I hope things cool down there soon.

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      jo miller 3 weeks ago from Tennessee

      No cool evenings yet here in the South, Bill. This is the hottest part of our summers. We like to sit on our screened in porch and listen for the whippoorwills early in the evening but it's been too hot for that lately.

      Great questions and answers this week. I always learn something and am inspired by your mailbags.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Glad to have you here, always, MizB! Those 100 temps can just stay away as far as I'm concerned but then, I don't want the rain, either. LOL No pleasing me, I guess.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      We are locked in with great weather, 75-85 daily....hopefully a few more weeks for you. Take care, buddy; hope to find the time to meet you.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm happy to hear that, Debangee! Thank you!

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      DEBANGEE MANDAL 3 weeks ago from India

      I eagerly wait for your mailbags. I loved it.

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      Bill De Giulio 3 weeks ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Bill. Another great week for the mailbag. I sure hope the weather stays nice for the next couple of weeks. We are heading out there on the 28th. My brother and sisters have a pretty aggressive schedule planned but we will certainly try to find the time to hook up. I will email you next week before we leave.

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      MizBejabbers 3 weeks ago

      Bill, I read this on Monday but then I was interrupted with some work flow and am just now getting back to comment. That's what happens when one is being chased by alligators in the retirement process. LOL Good questions this week and some great comments and answers. I especially found Brian's comments on his novel and on Workflowy helpful, so my thanks to him, too.

      So far this is our hottest week here in Arkansas, and it hasn't hit 100 yet. I'm so thankful. The week is nearly over, so have a good rest of the week, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      I've been late all summer, Bill, so no worries. You are here now and that's all that matters. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Great question, Rasma! I'll have your answer on Monday.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm so happy you liked it, Linda. Thank you! We are enjoying the first rain in 34 days. It is heavenly.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you ChitrangadaSharan. I hope I never lose that spirit of life. I'm having far too much fun.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Mona, that is such a very kind thing for you to say. Thank you my friend. It is a pleasure mentoring such a wonderful, eager student such as you.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Got it! Thanks again, Brian!

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Great suggestion, Brian. Hopefully Eric will return to read it....I think i better point it out to him. Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Brian, your point is an excellent one, one I have pondered before. Word of mouth will sustain sales. Without it the novel will die quickly. I do believe that, and I've seen it to be true with my own novels. Thank you for the excellent point.

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      Brian Leekley 3 weeks ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Regarding Natalie's question, I had this experience: Back in the 1990s I wrote a crime story novel and revised it numerous times. I have professional writers in my family, and wherever I live I join a critique writing group, and the feedback I got helped me make the novel better and better. When no one had any further suggestions for improvement and the work seemed to me as good as I could make it, in 2010 I submitted it to publishers, and it was accepted by an e-book and print on demand publisher. Somewhere between sixty and a hundred copies sold in the first year or so, mainly to extended family, friends, colleagues, and acquaintances. Then sales plummeted and by the third and fourth years I was selling one or two or zero copies per quarter. Finally the publisher said they didn't want to bother with my novel any more and gave me back all rights.

      What was wrong? I showed the novel to another critique writing group, and an opinionated and blunt member gave me some negative feedback about scenes with too much information, unnecessary scenes, taking too long to get the story moving, etc.

      The general consensus among readers has been that it is a very good novel, better than many others available, with an intriguing plot that moves some readers to tears and interesting characters. But being very good—good enough that readers among people I knew got some enjoyment from it and gave me some praise—was not good enough. For a novel to have sustained sales, it is not sufficient that readers get some mild enjoyment from it and give the author some modest praise. What is needed is for readers to be enthused enough that, without being asked, they seek opportunities to recommend the book to others. The siblings, cousins, friends, and so on who read, somewhat enjoyed, and praised my novel did not mention it to others in their conversations and emails, or share links to it on Facebook and Twitter, or write Amazon reader reviews.

      I am in the process of rewriting the novel, using WorkFlowy to deconstruct, rearrange, and revise it. I expect it will become a novella instead of a short novel. Whether from a quite good novel I can create a fantastic, gripping page-turner remains to be seen.

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      Brian Leekley 3 weeks ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      In my comment, somehow "Regarding Eric's question" became "Regarding Eric must if yes question". I tried to edit it, but the system kept insisting on putting back the nonsensical wording.

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      Brian Leekley 3 weeks ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Regarding Eric must if yes question about organizing a book, I highly recommend the Internet-based program WorkFlowy. There is a free version, excellent for everyday use for writing lists, and for heavy-duty use, there is a cheap version, well worth it. I'm in the process of reorganizing a book I wrote some years ago. I have been dropping it into WorkFlowy paragraph by paragraph, segment by segment, chapter by chapter. With WorkFlowy, I can collapse the entire book into one line giving the title. I can expand that into a list of chapters; can expand a chapter into a list of segments; expand the segment into all its paragraphs. I can easily move a chapter, a segment, or a paragraph to elsewhere in the work. Eric could put his book of sermons into WorkFlowy and then easily rearrange the sermons into various orders and arrangements to see what seems best.

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 4 weeks ago from Philippines

      Every time I read your mailbag, I feel like you've got guts. You get right in there and write the book you want to write. You made me write a bad book, but I was pleased to at least have tried. From there, you got me to write children's stories, which I plan to accumulate into a children's book. It took years of reading your articles about writing before I even got enough courage to try. Maybe after my children's book, I'll go back to the first book and try to patch it up. Whether you are urban farming, writing books or doing the mailbag, you are a teacher Mr. Bill, a true mentor. I am most grateful to you for this, and also thankful to Bev because she takes care of you while you take care of us people here at Hub Pages.

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      Chitrangada Sharan 4 weeks ago from New Delhi, India

      I loved your opening paragraph and of course the valuable questions and answers!

      Your spirit towards life is infectious and anyone who is around you learns to live life to the fullest and be useful and productive.

      With regard to Question from Olivia, Yes most of us write for ourselves. It's a form of self expression.

      Thanks for sharing another inspiring installment!

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      Linda Crampton 4 weeks ago from British Columbia, Canada

      This is an inspirational article, Bill. Thanks for creating and sharing the answers to the questions.

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      Gypsy Rose Lee 4 weeks ago from Riga, Latvia

      Another interesting mailbag with lots to think over. As you know I am getting closer and closer to finally getting my book of poems together. Is it a good idea to first get the book in form on Word so that I have an idea of what it will eventually look like and should I have someone take a look at what I have put together before I actually begin the process of getting the e-book of poems published?

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      William Kovacic 4 weeks ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      Monday has now become late Tuesday afternoon for me. I may be late, but I always get here - well, most of the time. I like your answer to why you write. there's a lot of wisdom and practicality there, so thank you.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, thanks so much for being here. It's always a pleasure to hear from you. Gardening for sure...too many things to do in the summer. I find myself hopelessly behind in all phases of my personal game.:)

      Happy Tuesday my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Mary! Happily, I know Natalie, so I can joke with her like that. We have a history of calling each other out that way.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Great thoughts, Flourish! It's a tough jungle out there for novelists....it would be nice if it were just a little bit easier, somehow.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear that, Alyssa! Thanks a bunch.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Welcome back, Janine! It's good to have you among us again. Now things seem normal. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      You and me both, Pop! You and me both.

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      breakfastpop 4 weeks ago

      I write for the love of it. It would be great if I could make buckets of money, but the truth is I adore the process and I'll never stop.

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      Janine Huldie 4 weeks ago from New York, New York

      Sorry I am a bit late to the game, but I am still playing catch up here since being away last week. But just had to stop in, say hi and of course read your awesome writing advice. Happy Tuesday morning now, Bill!! :)

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      Alyssa 4 weeks ago from Ohio

      I loved this installment of the mailbag today! Very helpful and very inspiring! Thank you!

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      FlourishAnyway 4 weeks ago from USA

      There ought to be some creative solutions to all those unsold books that fledgling authors may have sitting around -- such as creating a circle of fellow authors and exchanging them for review copies of others' published work in a group, asking for direct feedback, reviews if they are so inclined, sharing on social media if they really kind, etc. I think it's important not to simply just do the novels but also have a lot of other energy going on so that people can familiarize themselves with your name and work. Like you ... you have more than novels going on.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Very true, Martie, and thank you for sharing that. There is life after the darkness, and thank the gods we both lived long enough to find happiness. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, I'm glad my answer to your question was satisfactory. Now on to the next. Thanks, as always, for being so encouraging.

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      Mary Wickison 4 weeks ago from Brazil

      Well, Bill, you caught me off guard in your comment to Natalie. "Strap on your big girl panties and get to work!" I wanted to shout out "ouch, that smarts!" There are so many people who just don't get it together and get work out into the public domain, so at least she has the chutzpah to do it. I hope it turns around for her.

      I had wondered about how some organize their books when it's just random ideas.

      Regarding storytellers, I sadly can't recall any in my family.

      Have a wonderful week.

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      Eric Dierker 4 weeks ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wow Mr. H. That surely was a great answer you gave me. I really liked the discussion of who we write for, it really is kind of heavy. Marketing is something I am actually putting in some positive energy everyday toward marketing -- not yet study but rather getting my mind straight to enjoy doing it.

      But combining all those brings me to a question of no real import just interest. Which is your favorite Victory dance? When the idea gels? When you feel satisfied it is written just right? Or are sales the biggest charge? (I leave out the positive feedback that we give each other around here - which surely ranks)

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      Martie Coetser 4 weeks ago from South Africa

      Billybuc, I am so glad you are happy. You life is an encouragement to those who find themselves in the sad stage of wishing to die. I, too, were in that stage more than once in my life. Can you believe it? Today I am extremely happy. There is a life after depression, and somehow it is always a better life than any of one's previous lives!

      This is another excellent contribution to the Writers' Mailbag. Relevant questions and perfect answers!

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      Ann Carr 4 weeks ago from SW England

      You are indeed a storyteller, bill, and a very good one. I understand it when you say you write because you love it. When I write it's for me, even though I might be trying to get across a point to the reader. I don't think anyone can write and enjoy it if it doesn't come from within.

      Great questions today even if not many. I loved Eric's and your answer was great; you are so supportive of all your friends here. That's why we regard you as mentor as well as friend.

      We're still firmly in summer time and the garden has improved today, although I got a little sunburnt! Serves me right of course. I have planted another tree and cleared out some ivy so I'm satisfied with my day.

      Have a great Monday evening, bill!

      Ann

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Denise, I love that, you consider your audience to be your children sitting at your feet and you telling a story. Great description and I thank you for it.

      Blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, the junk is threatening to breech the dam and flood the world. Sigh! I wish it were not so.

      Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your input, Linda, especially your thoughts on preparing a non-fiction book. As for the audience question, my only point is there is no thought happening in my brain regarding audience when I'm writing. When I finish the book, and publish then, of course, I must have a specific audience in mind. But I really give it no thought when I'm preparing to write a novel.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Venkatachari M. I greatly appreciate your loyal following.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Brief and to the point...thanks, Heidi, and Happy Workweek to you!

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      Heidi Thorne 4 weeks ago from Chicago Area

      Happy Mailbag Monday!

      Re: Two Years. I'll sum it up this way: Market yourself and your book or find something else to do.

      Re: Who You Writing For? Sure, we all write for ourselves in a way. But without the thought of the audience, you'll end up in "two years" situation just discussed.

      Have a terrific week!

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      Venkatachari M 4 weeks ago from Hyderabad, India

      True, Bill. All three great questions answered very elaborately by you. Eric's question was really a good matter for the mind and you dealt it very wisely. Your suggestion is good.

      The other questions about earnings, marketing and knowing the audience are also very great points raised and your answers are satisfactory for me. Many things to learn and takes much time, many years.

      Thanks for the great mailbag.

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      Linda Lum 4 weeks ago from Washington State, USA

      Happy Monday Bill. I appreciated Eric's question; I found myself in his exact same place a few months ago, struggling to make sense out of chaos (with 80+ articles on food, how do I arrange those into chapters that make sense?) I knew that there were 3 elements I would want each to have--a quote, history/story, and original recipes. Some had great recipes, but no history, or a great quote and story, but no original recipes. The ones that didn't have all 3 elements were immediately tossed out.

      I assigned a one-word topic to each remaining article and then started to prepare an outline. Seeing all of the topics in one place helped me to have an "ah ha" moment. I think Eric could apply the same method to arranging his sermons into a logical order.

      "Who you write for"? It's probably subconscious. Obviously your thrillers aren't intended for a very young audience. I have a friend who has been working on children's book for over 10 years. I've read (actually typed) all that she has written thusfar, and asked her what age group she was targeting? The story (with animals) is very sweet but some of the vocabulary is challenging. I think knowing your intended audience is a big deal. Just my humble opinion (which is worth what you paid for it).

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 4 weeks ago from The Caribbean

      I agree with Natalie that "there is so much junk out there now, it seems like the market is flooded with substandard work." I also sympathize with her, but I don't know what to suggest for novels, except to join you Bill in encouraging her to take a deep breath and keep walking. Hoping that in the process, she stumbles onto the right path.

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      Denise McGill 4 weeks ago from Fresno CA

      Hi Bill,

      Your story about the storytellers in your family got me thinking about my own family storytellers. I wish I could capture in words the sight and sound of their accents as they told some of the best family stories I ever heard. From stories about my father as a child trying to ditch his baby brother, to stories from my grandfather about our heritage and ancestors. The funny thing is that I do consider my audience when I'm writing. I think of them as my children or grandchildren at my feet hearing the stories as I was once one of them at my grandparents feet. Perhaps that's why I write more for children than adults. Thanks for another fun mailbag full of thoughtful questions and answers.

      Have a blessed day!

      Denise

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      It is strange, Melissa, but our evenings are already turning cool. It wasn't always like that, growing up, evenings were warm...now there is that slight nip to the air.

      Anyway, hoping you have a fabulous week. Thanks so much for always being here.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Harishprasad. We love writing. That is why we are here, is it not? That love shows in the writing...it must!

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      Harish Mamgain 4 weeks ago from India

      Interesting questions and interesting answers. I especially liked you answer to the question of Olivia about writing. Bill, it is love for writing that you create such wonderful articles for us to read. I enjoy you writing.

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      Melissa Propp 4 weeks ago from Minnesota

      Happy Monday Bill! I can't believe you are saying you feel the change of weather already....it seems like summer just started...now, at the end of August--I'll be able to relate. But for now, I'm still waiting for my first batch of tomatoes from the garden to ripen! Great questions/answers, as usual. Hope you have a great rest of the week!

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Louise! I appreciate you stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 4 weeks ago from Olympia, WA

      Great question, John! I'm really surprised someone hasn't asked about children's books before you....I'll have an answer and an opinion for you next Monday.

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      John Hansen 4 weeks ago from Queensland Australia

      An easy reading and enjoyable mailbag, Bill. I am glad to read that Eric is working on a book. Knowing his sermons as I do, but that will be a must have on the bookshelf for daily motivation. Here is a question for your next mailbag.

      You being such aknowledgable man and having published different types of books (novels, novellas, color ing books etc)

      Do you know if the process is much different publishing a children's picture book to the others? My wife has been in my ear to stop ghostwriting kid's books for other people and to publish my own. I have a ton of rhyming kids stories I could use and seem to write them easily for others. I also know an artist who I could possibly hire to illustrate them. Maybe I just have to stop procrastinating, but I'm good at that :)

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      Louise Barraco 4 weeks ago from Ontario

      Great mailbag today bill I wanted to ask Eric's question as well as I'm trying to finish writing some of my novels and it's quiet tricky. But your answer to his question makes it more understandable