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The Toilet Lid Must Be Put Down! It's Official and Here's Why

Updated on October 5, 2011
a toilet with the lid...down
a toilet with the lid...down

Six Reasons to Put Down the Toilet Lid

Always seemed like the right thing to do - put down the lid and close the toilet. Why? Because there is a lid. I never thought of the lid as a backrest. What - do people recline while using the toilet?

Yet, this has been the cause of many wild brawls and people leaving home in the middle of the night - often after falling in to the toilet.

But the lid should be put down and for at least six good reasons I can think of - and there are probably more.

The six reasons why you should put down the toilet lid:

1 - Bacteria-filled mist - Yes, that's right, when you flush the toilet a mist is created. That mist is filled with bacteria. Studies have shown that the mist can travel several feet away every time you flush. So this means it reaches your toothbrushes, towels, shower curtains, every hard surface and probably you while you are still standing there - maybe looking down in the toilet. The toilet lid should be closed before flushing.

2 - Child Safety - Toilet locks exist so children cannot open the toilet. Unfortunately, there have been cases of children falling in. Just the fact that bacteria does exist is reason enough to keep the toilet closed so as not to entice a child. According to the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission), a toddler or baby can topple into an open toilet headfirst and can drown. In fact, with children in the house there should be child-safety locks on the bathroom doors.

3 - Pet Safety - Pets love the toilet. That cool fresh water. Dogs often get water this way and even my cat wants to play in the water. But the same bacteria-mist that flies around will now get on your pet. Veterinarians advise against letting your pet drink from the toilet - it's bad for their health and then bad for yours when your pet kisses you.

4 - It's Not a Recliner - This I could never understand. There is a lid and isn't it there for some reason - like closing the toilet. Do people actually sit down and lean back to recline when using the toilet? If so, I don't think it's healthy. Then too, I think of it like a lid on a jar. You open the jar and after you take out the pickle, you then close the jar by putting the lid back on. A lid is supposed to close...well, something. I don't think it's decorative.

5 - Feng-shui - Feng-shui (pronounced fung schway) literally translates to wind - water. Also known as geomancy, it is an ancient Chinese science based upon the philosophy of the movement of chi (natural energy) through our environment. The Queen of feng-shui is Lillian Too. She often writes about the power of water and how to use it effectively. Lillian Too is also in the master category of feng-shui practitioners and she says toilets should always be closed because water has drawing power. You don't want to draw the energy in your home down the toilet. The open toilet will also draw your wealth down the toilet. That's all I needed to hear. Well, I love all things Lillian Too so this works for me.

6 - Falling In - This falls under the category of 'also leaving the seat up.' Falling in is one of those great reasons to put down the lid - and avoid screams in the night and loud fights. If you have ever fallen in the toilet you know it can be painful, messy and most of all...unnecessary. There is simply no way anyone can fall in the toilet if the lid is down. Why, you ask, don't you turn on the light if you are staggering through the dark at night to get to the toilet? This way you can make sure the lid - and seat are down. Well, studies have shown that it is best to keep lights low if you must get up during the night - turning on bright lights can wake you up completely, making it impossible to go back to sleep.

I think this is when falling in the toilet most often happens. During those night staggers. But when you close the lid, the seat will be down as well.

Update with a friendly reminder - thanks to the writer pmmcray (below):  When using public toilets - they don't have lids - but have that super-powerful flush and there you are in this enclosed space. Ugh! It's one thing being at home with your own bacteria, but could anything be filthier than a public toilet - and now with that bacteria-mist? No, so open the door, flush with your foot, close the door and get far away. I hate even thinking about this.

Note: A pretty cool toilet seat is one my son and Daughter-In-Love have. The toilet lid automatically closes.

Are there enough reasons now to put down the lid? See the toilet lid poll.

For more bathroom related reading, like bad toilet paper and unbearable itching, see the links below:

Toilet Lid Poll

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      Barbara Radisavljevic 6 years ago from Templeton, CA

      I am a victim. When I was about three my dad left the seat and lid up, and I fell in during the middle of the night. My parents never forgot my indignation. And can you believe it? They thought it was funny when I indignantly let my dad know my feelings about it -- in the middle of the night. I don't think I've ever lived in a house where the lid was put down. It's hard enough to get men to put the seat back down.

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      Micky Dee 6 years ago

      This is all true. I have insisted the opposite for the men very often. Men cannot aim! Men think they can hit the bulls eye with their magic wand but like always- it's out of control! Try having a brother with an uncontrollable aim! But- I submit to the seat down for safety for you ladies and that "spray". And, my toothbrush is in there!

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      Eiddwen 6 years ago from Wales

      What a great and unique hub !!! This is why I love it here on HP, all the variety of topics to write about and to read.

      Thanks for sharing

      Take care

      Eiddwen.

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      lmmartin 6 years ago from Alberta and Florida

      In my household, we're still working on the seat being down. Another 20 years and I'll start lobbying for the lid. Baby steps, baby steps...

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      quicksand 6 years ago

      Hello BK, I guess the Feng Shui that discusses toilet seats and modern appliances is the evolved version of Feng Shui.

      Cheers. :)

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Isn't it interesting how the toilet has such an effect on our lives.

      WannaB Writer - I've feel in - but it was my own fault. Cleaned the darn thing and left both the lid and seat up and then later that night...thud! Sigh!

      Yes, Micky Dee that aim stuff. I've never known a man to miss and I wonder sometimes if those that do miss are actually aiming for the back wall or sink and...oops!

      I'm with you Eiddwen - I have read such a wide range of information here on hub pages - I have so much bookmarked and there is so much I share. Thanks for commenting.

      Sigh! yes llmartin - I've been in the seat up situation - never mind the lid. I admit too, that I have given up on a lot of battles.

      Ah, yes, quicksand, my favorite feng-shui master, Lillian Too takes into account the ancient philosophies but considers the modern world as well. She's number one in the field and rightly so. A woman of the world.

      Thanks for the comments.

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      Jen's Solitude 6 years ago from Delaware

      I am grateful I was raised from the very beginning to put the lid down, of course that being said, it isn't very comforting when hardly anyone else will do it. LOL

      Great article my friend.

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      timorous 6 years ago from Me to You

      Well..you just never know do ya? I've read studies that suggest your kitchen sink is actually more bacteria-ridden. It depends how clean you keep everything. Toilets vary greatly on their flushing effectiveness. Some of the newer toilets also create far less turbulence, therefore less 'mist'. Nice job (pun intended), BK.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Me too Jen's Solitude - there's a lid, close it! And always having pets, you didn't want them in the toilet. But alas, it's still an issue. Thank's for the compliment!

      I've read those same studies timorous and no doubt the kitchen is the filthiest - but that's due to meat - so there is no meat or chicken in my house and I avoid all the salmonella, e.coli etc. lurking on the counters, in the sink and in the gut. Ah, dinner! Thanks for writing!

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      pmccray 6 years ago from Utah

      LOL . . I had heard about the bacteria a couple of years ago and have made a consistent practice of closing the lid prior to flushing.

      My husband and I have separate bathrooms so this prevents me from killing him in his sleep due to middle of the night falling in the bowl!

      When using public restrooms with no lids I open the door and stand back when flushing. Voted up, marked useful and funny.

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      TheListLady 6 years ago from New York City

      I'm a big feng-shui fan and have made it a point to close the toilet lid - because I don't want my wealth to go down the toilet. Yay! Meanwhile, when I forget to put down the lid my kitty immediately hopes on top and starts prowling around - exactly what I don't want her to do. Yikes!

      What a fun hub! Rated up!

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      CountryCityWoman 6 years ago from From New York City to North Carolina

      I'm glad you pointed out the danger to children. What's harmless to us is all new to children. Yes, put on a lock and keep the door closed. Those hard surfaces are a danger too.

      A fun and informative hub! Rated up - and close the toilet!

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      emilybee 6 years ago

      What a great hub! I never have read so much on this topic before ;) Thanks for sharing.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Way to go pmmcray - it makes so much sense to have 2 bathrooms - when I did it wasn't an issue - but when a lid was left up then the cat would always be in the toilet - not good. Whew!

      I'm big on feng-shui too thelistlady and am working on my water features right now. The toilet lid down is the easy part.

      Yes, CountryCityWoman - we have to remember children in absolutely everything we do - but we don't - I found a lot of information on the internet about children falling in the toilet. Children are naturally curious - we'd be upset if they weren't.

      Glad you liked the hub emilybee. Thanks for reading and writing.

      Thanks for the comments!

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      PWalker281 6 years ago

      My daughter, the nurse, always insisted that the lid be down when the toilet is flushed. It wasn't until I saw a Dr. Oz episode that said the same thing and gave the reason why that it finally sunk in. Now that lid is down when the toilet is flushed and stays down until it needs to be used. And I'm going to take pmccray's advice when flushing in a public restroom.

      Great hub, BK! Rated up!!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      You know PWalker281, my sister a nurse often talked about this and my parents believed it made good sense - so I have done it - but that's a good reminder from pmmcray about flushing and leaving a public toilet - those don't have lids and you tend to just flush and hang around - and when you think of all the people using those toilets- yow! And powerful flushes too because they don't have the tanks - yikes!

      Thanks for writing!

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      Dallas W Thompson 6 years ago from Bakersfield, CA

      I am "flushed with success." I put the lid down! Wow! It looks nice. Thanks for sharing. Flag up!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Yay! Such a fun comment dallas93444! Thanks for the rating.

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      Linda Crampton 6 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      What an amusing - and useful - hub! I've always put the lid down to prevent things - and pets - from falling in. You've given another very important reason for lowering the lid - the "bacteria-filled mist" sounds very unpleasant!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I'm so glad you liked the hub AliciaC. I'm still surprised that it can create so many problems in the home. Thanks for commenting.

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      Christina Lornemark 6 years ago from Sweden

      Very good and amusing hub! There is so many things that can go wrong when humans use the toilet:) the lid, the toilet ring, the aiming and so on. Thanks for all this good reasons for closing the lid!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      It is such a problem thoughtforce. I can't imagine living with someone with poor aim. Yikes! I'm happy to say I've never had the pleasure. When outhouses existed we never had all these indoor plumbing problems. Whew!

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      Om Paramapoonya 6 years ago

      I'm totally with you on this. I dropped my new toothbrush into the toilet once and I don't want that to happen ever again! :)

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Ooooh good point Om Paramapoonya - with the toilet open stuff can fall in. I wish I had added that to the list. I've certainly dropped things in. Sigh! Thank you.

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      Sherri 6 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

      Not to mention the bathroom is a lot more attractive when the lid is down. You've got a chance there for a Home & Garden photo. But I'm with Om Paramapoonya. In my small master bedroom bath I've got a glass shelf over the crapper that holds cosmetics and scents...too, too easy to knock one of those things into the water!

      And that business about the mist, so true! But also, water evaporates faster when the lid is up, and with that evaporation, scuzzy ring around the water line happens really fast.

      Up, useful, and funny. What a great read.

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      Mrs. J. B. 6 years ago from Southern California

      I am on your side. TOILET SEAT DOWN!!!

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      Jalus 6 years ago

      In the interest of reducing the mist, I now promise to be more careful about leaving my recliner open! :)

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Yes, Sally's Trove - I forgot to mention all those things that fall in the crapper (love that word - so appropriate) - and then what do you do? And the next reason you mentioned - water evaporating and that scuzzy ring. And well, then if it is evaporating - well, that adds mildew. So glad you enjoyed reading the hub - thanks for the vote.

      Yay! - thanks Mrs. J. B. - I'm thinking we can do something electronic here. If you don't put down the lid - the bathroom door will lock (with a loud thud) and a skull-piercing alarm will go off rendering you insane.

      Somehow Jalus, I can now see your special photo - full length - sitting on the recliner.

      Thanks for the comments!

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      Kathy Beaman 6 years ago from Vancouver, Washington

      Feng Shui, energy, chi, wealth, keep bacteria away...great Hub to remind us of many things to help make our lives better.

      I am going to keep leaving my lid down, too.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I'm so glad to hear all that kbeaman! Thanks for commenting!

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      Hello, hello, 6 years ago from London, UK

      I always insisted that the toiletseat is put down.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Good for you Hello, hello. I agree.

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      Triplet Mom 6 years ago from West Coast

      Thank you Bk! Luckily I married a man who does put the toilet seat down and its saved me so much trauma! Voted up!

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      katiem2 6 years ago from I'm outta here

      I completely agree with you and after telling my children about the mist they were sold, just the one problem, you can't do that with most public toilets, so we stretch out our foot to flush and run.. or those automatic ones leave you no choice, but at home we do have a choice and the lid must be put down here and always.

      :) Katie

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Bravo Triplet Mom and with children in the house - this must always be done. Thanks for that cool up rating.

      That is an issue katiem2 - and I realize in public toilets I usually flush and then adjust myself - so I am in this really contained space with a powerful flush - I'm sure I felt the mist. OK - so I am going to have to open the door first - plant my foot on the lever, flush, zip out and close that door. Whew! Can any place be filthier than a public toilet in a contained spaced - ugh! Glad your children are sold on the idea - and this will work in the public toilet. I need to send this to my friends - but I am going to update the list with the public toilet scenario. Thanks for writing!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Ok - I have updated this to add the comment by pmccray (above) and I thank her for that reminder of the filth of public toilets - ugh! Flush and run! Thanks pmccray! Yay!

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      bettpnash@Yahoo.com 6 years ago

      I do agree with this carolyn.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Of course Betty - being a nurse you would be aware of these dangers. Thanks so much for commenting.

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      LORD BRYAN 6 years ago

      Thank you for this. I do not understand why people do NOT close the lid. As you say, it is there for a reason! When and IF I must use a public toilet, after I have cleaned it, I carry wipes just for that purpose, of course, I use my foot to flush and try to out run the mist. Run on sentence I know. lol. I came upon the self closing toilet seats in Japan. Love it. Wonder if I could get them for our homes.

      Lord Bryan

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      So glad to hear from you LORD BRYAN! I know when you both travel the world on planes, trains and cruise ships you practice safety and cleanliness. It makes healthy sense.

      Those self-closing lids? I know you can get them in the US because my son and DIL have them. First time I used the toilet I didn't know what was happening with the lid. Now I just go in the bathroom and play with the lid. Fun.

      Thanks for commenting!

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      JOhn 6 years ago

      Nice hub - i really do need to get one of these!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Yes Certainly JOhn! With a name like JOhn - you must!

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      TheVacationLady 6 years ago from Everywhere

      Your son and daughter in love have a toilet that closes the lid automatically? I've never heard of such a thing! Now THIS is ideal!

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      Surgical Spine 6 years ago

      Really a Very Nice information about custom farming business. Great Thanks for share this useful information.

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      yenajeon 6 years ago from California

      I'm so glad you wrote this! My apartment is a closed lid toilet household, mostly because of my kitty though. She likes to drink from them, ew!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Yes, TheVacationLady - I had so much fun with that toilet lid. I want one.

      Thanks for commenting Surgical Spine!

      My kitty too, yenajeaon. She is obsessed with the toilet. I can't leave it open for a second because she will be up there.

      Thanks for the comments!

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      HattieMattieMae 6 years ago from Limburg, Netherlands

      Is that why we are not all rich, the men in our families always forget to put the lid down! lol

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Hilarious HattieMattieMae - but wait! What if...

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      LORD BRYAN 6 years ago

      BkCreative. I must say, I think you have hit on a topic in which everyone is concerned.

      Lord Bryan

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      HattieMattieMae 6 years ago from Limburg, Netherlands

      ha ha I would think that would make a good hub, worshipping the porcelain God to make us millions and keeping men from the toilets, because obviously that is we are all poor!lol But again that would be just a fun hub and full of b.s. but funny! lol

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thank you LORD BRYAN - seems there is a long history of toilet issues among us. And you know what toilets I really like - those squatting ones - they make my thighs so lean and strong. I chose to use those in S. Korea rather than the western style - I felt so proud. First you tip over a lot but soon...well, you just get strong.

      You know HattieMattieMae - this would be a fun topic. In fact I think I will see what else I can write about our love/hate affair the toilet. By the way when I visited my grandmother's farm in NC like 50 years ago she had an outhouse and preferred it. Coming from NYC, I was fascinated by it - and actually enjoyed using it.

      Thanks for the comments!

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      jo 6 years ago

      I do go to the bathroom and make sure that the lid is down, most of the time, because that is where I have ' time out from the kids'.......strange I know, but they are boys, so I do have to be careful where I sit or stand, nothing is safe in our bathrooms, walls,toliet seat, etc, including things they like to ' what they call burying at sea'.......uggggggg.....good hub, especially the germ part, I have a lot of cleaning products to stay ahead of the boys. I am going to mention to them the things you say about closing before flushing, and I will let you know there reaction.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I would love to hear from you Jo and hear what the boys have to say. Meanwhile, I know what you mean about a quiet place to go and relax. I have a lock on my bathroom door. Whew!

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      benny Faye Douglass 6 years ago from Gold Canyon, Arizona

      Thank you BK, for such an outstanding and awesome hub, I didn't know some of the information. God bless you. creativeone59

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      Alfreta Sailor 6 years ago from Southern California

      Loved it! Oh no, another thing for me to think about. I've never given much thought to the mist that comes from public toilets, and that's strange, because I do put the lid down at home. Thanks Bk for the heads up. Voted Up!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      You're welcome creativeone59. I'm glad you found the hub awesome!

      Nothing like some hub love fastfreta! Thank you! Seems many of us are guilty of standing there in a public restroom when that powerful toilet goes 'whoosh' - now I even think I can feel the mist - arghhh!

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      Danette Watt 6 years ago from Illinois

      Cute hub but makes very good points. I had heard about the bacteria-mist issue a couple years ago and started 'training' everyone at home to close the lid. They do for the most part. Also, yes, it's bad feng shui to have the lid open.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      So glad you know about feng-shui Danette Watt. That's why we are so rich. Thanks for writing!

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      toknowinfo 6 years ago

      Great hub. Practical, humorous, and filled with valuable information. In my home, we always keep the lid closed. I think it looks better, no anxiety about which seat is up and I always knew about the bacteria spray. Rated up, awesome, and funny.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      So glad you totally enjoyed the hub toknowinfo. My friends are telling me their guys are having a problem with spraying. Wait - how long have you had those things and still can't aim?

      There must be some toilet etiquette! And healthy practices of course.

      Thanks for commenting!

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      Romano Arnesto 6 years ago from Philippines

      Ugh! My bad. From now own, I'll take heed with your advises. Thanks, BkCreative.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Yay! And you're welcome. I'm so glad to hear this Romano Arnesto!

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      shygirl2 6 years ago

      I love the idea of the automatic closing lid, BkCreative. Cool hub! A good reminder to all those men out there!! lol! Kids too! : )

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks shygirl12. That self-closing toilet lid solves a whole bunch of fights. So clever!

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      DeBorrah K Ogans 6 years ago

      BKCreative! I so agree! It really is just plain, practical good hygiene etiquette! Thank You for sharing, Peace & Blessings!

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      Granny's House 6 years ago from Older and Hopefully Wiser Time

      Bk, you know what else is gross? Those plastic, foam filled toilet seats. Sometimes they crack and get urine in the cracks and then they stink. Yuck! I can not even sit on one of these, even if it is at someones house I know.

      Tina

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      For sure DeBorrah K. Ogans - just plain practical good hygiene etiquette - we should use it. Thanks for commenting!

      Arrrgh! You are so right Granny's House. I had one years ago and it did crack (which was painful to sit on) - but yes, they cannot possibly be sanitary.

      Hmm, haven't seen any lately - maybe we've caught on to the filth issues.

      Thanks for writing!

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      Granny's House 6 years ago from Older and Hopefully Wiser Time

      Bk, I used to work where they were first made. Everyone loved them back then. hehe

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I loved the padded toilet seats back then too, Granny's House! Wasn't that the tops in luxury - to gently park yourself on such padding. Mmmmmm. And then they cracked - and the party was over - ow!

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      Katrina of A VICTORIOUS WOMAN MINISTRY 6 years ago

      Good info! I found out years ago that germs are exposed everytime the toilet is flushed and that was enough for me.

      Hey feel free to check out some of my latest hubs.

      Thanks for sharing.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Will come visit and thanks for commenting!

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      d.william 6 years ago from Somewhere in the south

      I loved this hub. and i loved all the comments. And thanks for making me now paranoid about leaving that lid up. Things will never be the same. Every time i flush my toilet i will now think of you. (not sure if that was a compliment or not) LOL.

      I saw a special on t.v. about rats, and how they are so agile and supple that they can make their way from the sewer to your toilet. And people have actually been bitten on their butts by rats coming up through the drainage system. That one kind of gave me pause as well as your article. So, now when i got to the B.Room, i will not only be thinking about rats, but you as well. (darn, that did not sound like a compliment either). LOL. No disrespect intended. I loved this hub. Good job. dw

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks so much d.williams - glad you felt some love. I have been laughing all morning reading your comment. I am so aware of this toilet stuff now - and I never want to go into a public toilet. Yikes!

      Nothing would surprise me about rats - they can scale the face of a building and go into windows. This was a common problem in the city years ago.

      And I'll think of you thinking of me and thinking of toilets and rats. Yay!

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      prasetio30 6 years ago from malang-indonesia

      You share useful information about toilet. We should know this. Thanks for share with us. Rated up!

      Prasetio

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks so much for writing prasetio30! And thanks for the rating!

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      Audrey Hunt 6 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Ah - Ha...so that's where all of my money has gone - right down the toilet. You made me a Feng Shui believer. Have a beautiful book on Feng Shui. Now - I shall read and practice it. This is one of my favorite hubs. I thought I knew everything about germs, toxins, etc. It just goes to show you, how little a person really knows. Did I say I love this hub? Bookmarking it and forwarding to family and friends. Geeeesh - I am such a huge fan, especially now. A marvelous work here which deserves all the buttons and a big rate up! :) vocalcoach

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Oooh love your Ah -Ha - vocalcouch. And I have to admit that I just never gave this too much thought as far as that flush - ewww! Fortunately, I am into feng-shui and have just gone ahead and kept the lid down anyway. But now I am so aware of it to the point of being fanatical (darn it!).

      So glad you enjoyed the hub. Thanks for commenting!

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      Pollyannalana 6 years ago from US

      Hi,BK, haven't seen you in awhile. This is not a problem for me but somewhere, some time, I remember sitting down in water and cracking my back. Must have been many years ago. They should make the seats that have to be held up to end that problem. It really could cause a serious problem, you know? Besides having to take a shower at 3 or 4 AM!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Oooh I know what you mean Pollyannalana. I've fell in a couple times - not fun! You know I am trying to think of a good hub to write - I'm glad you are checking on me because now I am inspired. I'll see what I can research and come up with.

      I keep saying I will do a couple a week and next thing I know a month has gone by - sigh!

      I'll be back and thanks for writing!

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      JP Carlos 6 years ago from Quezon CIty, Phlippines

      I never really thought about the toilet seat much. Now I'll never look at the toilet the way I used to.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I so agree with you jpcmc. I'm aware of my toilet all the time now - it's like another person in the house. Whew! Thanks for writing!

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      NicoleSmith 6 years ago

      I am so glad to read this information. Love it.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thank you NicoleSmith! Glad you love it!

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      KenWu 6 years ago from Malaysia

      With what you have written, there is no reason why the lid not be put down. Thanks.

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks KenWu - it just seems that if there is a lid it's there for a reason. Nice to meet you by the way.

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      Veronica Allen 6 years ago from Georgia

      I have fallen in the toilet too many times and in addition to the bacteria filled mist, this is hands down one reason why the toliet lid must be put down in our home. I love it!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Ooooh Veronica Allen thanks for sharing that because it is truly a reminder. I have fell it too and it is the greatest shock ever. I'm just glad the water was clean. Whew!

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      AngelaKaelin 6 years ago from New York

      These are all very sound reasons! Great job!

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      BkCreative 6 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks for the compliment!

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      RandomThoughts... 6 years ago from Washington

      Nice to have more to back up the argument with men about which came first...the lid up or down. Thanks for the ammo :)

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      You're welcome RandomThoughts... I've often asked why there is a lid if we aren't supposed to use it - but then I don't get an answer. Sigh.

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      ThoughtSandwiches 5 years ago from Reno, Nevada

      hi BK...well this flying mist thing is rather disturbing! I do generally keep the lid down because of the dog...too much drool...too much toilet water...too hard to tell the difference between the two! Voted up and useful!

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Hahaha! How true ThoughtSandwiches! Is it drool or toilet water? What fun! Thanks for commenting!

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      blairtracy 5 years ago from Canada

      Oh goodness. It bothers me so much when a public toilet doesn't have a lid! I can't help but think how many toilet particles are floating around the room.

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Just thinking about it blairtracy - I can now visualize those particles - argh! So now I make sure I get the door open and reach back with my foot to use the handle to flush and get out of that stall. Whew!

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      Karen N 5 years ago from United States

      My husband is pretty good about leaving the lid down after one accident a few years ago when our cat fell in the toilet. She liked to sit on the lid, but one time he forgot and left it up. We heard a splash and the cat started yowling. It was a little funny but not very hygiene.

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Our cats love those toilets, don't they Karen N. I actually forgot to put down the lid one day after dumping just a few tea leaves. Tea leaves which were floating toys for my cat. She was so far down in there fishing for them and her paws were wet and ugh! and argh!

      Thanks for commenting!

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      Jenafran 5 years ago from Tampa Bay Florida

      Bac mist......yuck!

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Love that you shortened it, Jenafran! Wonder how long it will be before there is a new product on the market designed to eliminate 'bac mist'.

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      Adrienne F Manson 5 years ago from Atlanta

      Hi BK, This is a good list, but #1, and #5 whoooa. HP continues to be a source of wealthy information. I would have never thought of the lid being down as something that is Feng-shui. And the bacteria mist OMG close that lid! Thank you for sharing with the HP community.

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      Michael Nix 5 years ago from Yorktown, Virginia

      LOL, this just became mandatory reading for my wife and kids.

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      I love this HP community too, adrienne2. Everything is so right about it. It's interesting how this has been a topic of discussion/arguments for years - but I kinda figure...what is the lid there for if not to close the thing?

      So glad Michael Nix. Mandatory with a bit of humor. Way to go.

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      Charles Webb-it 5 years ago from Edmonds,WA

      Awesome! funny but true

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      The truth sets us free! Thanks Charles Webb-it!

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      lonnierakestraw 5 years ago from South Florida

      Cool article written in good humor, I enjoyed it. Item #1 on your list is very true, the danger of bacteria should be enough to get people to always close the lid!

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thank you lonnierakestraw. Glad you enjoyed the article!

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      Hal 5 years ago

      And really who wants to look at the inside of a toilet to begin with when you go into to maybe just wash your hands or shower it's just wrong

      I like going into a bathroom that has the toilet lid down cause who want a bathroom that smells like a toilet, yeah leaving the seat up puts that dank toilety smell in the air,p-ewww.

      Hal

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Good points Hal, it does have a lid - so why not close it so we don't have to look inside. And surely a closed lid will help reduce odors. Thanks for your input.

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      Counselor Counselet 5 years ago

      Toilet water evaporates and can cause many health issues. Please put your lid down whenever you are not using the toilet. It only take one second to put it down and two seconds to put it up. This is the most important reason why the lid was invented.

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Good point about evaporation, Counselor Counselet. What on earth is the lid for...to leave the toilet open? It makes no sense. Lately this issue has been in the news quite frequently.

      Thanks for commenting!

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      Millercl 5 years ago

      Bwahaha. This is hilarious and informative. Good stuff!

      I argue with my wife about the seat... well not argue, but discuss, and she often brings up the falling in thing. My counter point is if she doesn't put the seat up, then I just might sprinkle on the seat. Why should I have to put the seat down if she doesn't have to put it up?

      Well there isn't much validity with it, but I think it is fun.

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      imatellmuva 5 years ago from Somewhere in Baltimore

      You know....I never considered all of those reasons, likely because I don't leave any of my toiletries in the bathroom anyway.

      I grew up with four brothers, so keeping my items out of the bathroom is still a part of how I am. BUT, there are the other items, towels, the sink, which is relatively close.

      The only thing I wonder about is, if the toilet bowl begins to overflow, having the lid open while flushing allows you to see the water rising above the level it should be, and react quickly and shut the water off, before all of that crap (no pun...or pun intended...whichever) is all over the floor.

      Now I don't know what to do!

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Glad you enjoyed the hub Millercl! Surprisingly, this has been the source of many an argument in many homes. Maybe this hub will help us all calm down - hahaha!

      I tell you imatellmuva - there is less chance of it overflowing so I'd go with closing the lid and taking my chances. I wish we could just go out in the woods and get it all overwith.

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      hoteltravel 5 years ago from Thailand

      This is one issue that divides the human race right down the middle. I had heard about bacteria mist. This leaves a big question mark on the hygiene of toiletries kept inside. Why bother trying to prove or disprove? Let us keep the lid closed. As you have pointed out, that is the purpose of lids!

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Isn't it interesting hoteltravel how the debate rages on? But yes, there is a lid there so why not use it.

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      Jennifer H. 5 years ago

      Lid down, there should be no ifs or buts about it. But unfortunatly I keep arguing with our roommates about this issue. We have 2 bathrooms and my boyfriend and I keep the lid closed and the bathroom door shut, now we have 3 male roommates who think it is much better to leave the seat and lid up plus leaving the bathroom door open is also cool..... apart from having had 2 cats fly into the open toilet as they are used to jumping onto the lid and then up on the sink for some fresh water or attention, one of those was a kitten and she nearly drowned, partly due to the shock. It started to smell in the house, which I find really discusting and annoying. The roommates bathroom is just juk since there are only male using it.... what do I do to convince them to keep the lid down and the door closed.......

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Good grief Jennifer H. I have a cat and always keep the lid down. She deserves that - your poor kitten. Have you showed the roommates this article? I wonder if it would help. I just don't understand the purpose oh having a toilet with a lid...and a bathroom door, and leaving both open.

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      Debbie Roberts 5 years ago from Greece

      It is only in the past couple of years that a friend brought to my attention that flushing a toilet with the lid up will result in a bacteria filled mist leaving the toilet bowl. I have since removed my toothbrush from the bathroom and always put the lid down. I've tried to instil this into the rest of the family too, although that's not so easy. I think I will have to show them your hub!!

      I like the sound of a toilet seat that closes itself, a conversation starter for sure!!

      Voted up and shared.

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      So true debbie roberts - seems I'm still reading and hearing about the bacteria mist. Putting the lid down is such a simple thing we can all do.

      Thanks so much for the vote and sharing.

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      Kenneth 5 years ago

      I donno know y, but I always keep it open

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      BkCreative 5 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Seems soooo many do Kenneth!

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      ohmar 5 years ago

      its bad enough we have to put the seat up to piss but now we have to put it Down as well why can't girls just look before they sit

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      Thomas Mulrooney 5 years ago from Colne, Lancashire, UK

      I'm going to keep leaving the seat up, but it's just out of habit and the fact that I'm a man lol. My girlfriend says otherwise, but I'll fight her on this until the end of time!

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      That Guy 4 years ago

      I agree, the seat and the lid should be put down. That being said, if it has been left up and you fall in, that is nobodies fault but your own.

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      Michael Luckado 4 years ago from Hawaii

      Wow. I've never thought about the mist. The lid's going down from now on. How about those movies where the person is sitting on the ground after a long, crazy night out and they flush the toilet when they are sitting with their face right next to it. Eeeeewww.

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Ohmar we have learned to look - only take one 'downfall' - whew!

      boundarybathrooms - love the name and somehow I like this fight til the end of time - don't know why.

      TheException - we do learn, believe me! Yikes!

      Armchair Builder - I got a real visual there - omg! Thanks for your grand support!

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      Dan 4 years ago

      I am sorry but I think the only good reasons to do so are the pets and the children safety. being that i don't have any pets or children, I feel that men leaving the seat up is the fairest way to go about it. It evenly distributes the minor work of moving the toilet seat. I don't believe in feng shui, the mist has not made me or anyone I live with sick yet, and grown women should really be conscious of where they are sitting so they don't fall in a toilet. by leaving the seat up I make the sitting surface much cleaner because i know that many men pee with the seat down and get sprinkles on there... gross.

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Gross is right...Those sprinkles. I hope everyone with children and pets will close the seats. Thanks so much for writing Dan. Shockingly I have left the toilet seat up...and fell in so I am definitely one of those females who always checks. Whew!

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      jessesToons 4 years ago

      I couldn't agree more with this article and the comments! I never thought I would enjoy reading information on this stuff. I needed help with my plumber Toronto. I just hate having plumbing problems. But this article I'm going to print and put above the toilet for my husband to read. Hes such a punk. http://www.bradshawplumbing.com/pages/plumbing.htm

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Love your comment jessesToons - yay! And thanks so much for writing!

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      Stephen Hodgkinson 4 years ago from Sydney Australia

      Immunity perspective:-

      I have never heard of anyone getting sick because of a dirty toilet in the modern developed world. I expect there are people who get sick from a clean toilet because they have not built up a natural immunity.

      If there are people in the household who prefer the seat down then their wishes should be respected. But remember, to lift the seat one must put their fingers between the seat and the rim of the toilet, effectively putting their fingies right in the dried urine on the rim.

      If they want the lid down then I think it could only be for aesthetic reasons, or you have toddlers, or inquisitive pets. I think the "mist" theory is a bit fetched, however, just like the seat, if there is someone on the household who prefers the lid left down, then it is easy enough to respect the wish.

      I hope my comments do not offend the excellent author, but rather they are intended to bring to the forefront the natural immunity perspective.

      Tidy and clean perspective:-

      Put down the seat and lid after each use :), it looks heaps better.

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Thanks so much for the comment Que Scout. And how nice to call me an excellent author. I truly do enjoy writing here on hubpages. I must come and check out your hubs!

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      Blake Masri 4 years ago from Costa Mesa, California

      Very interesting-- I was always taught to put the toilet seat down for ladies but never taught to put the lid down. I was born and raised and still reside in Southern California no more than a few miles from the coast. We leave the lid up so the inside of the toilet doesn't get moldy.

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Blake Masri - that is problem in my tiny bathroom - the toilet getting moldy - the whole bathroom in fact. Sigh! Thanks for writing.

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      BkCreative 4 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Blake Masri - that is problem in my tiny bathroom - the toilet getting moldy - the whole bathroom in fact. Sigh! Thanks for writing.

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      Alecia Murphy 3 years ago from Wilmington, North Carolina

      I put the seat down mainly because to me it makes no sense to leave it open but also because of germs. And your hub definitely validated that. Thanks for the tips.

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      LensMan999 3 years ago from Trans-Neptunian region

      You have shared quite a useful thing to others. though almost all people put down the lid, there are some who don't bother about it. Thanks a lot for sharing the after effects it may cause.

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      Hezekiah 3 years ago from Japan

      Interesting Hub, I can't stand to see the toilet lid up. I have a friend who's toilet is near the entrance and the bathroom door is always open, so when you enter the apartment, the first thing you see is a toilet with the lid. It's a girl living there too.

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      QueenScheherazade 3 years ago

      I'm new to writing Hubs and have been poking around to get a feel of what a really good Hub looks like. I think yours takes the cake and I just wanted to share that with you. Awesome title that made me want to read it and I found myself both laughing and being somewhat disgusted at the same time throughout. Kuddos to you!

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      marion langley 3 years ago from The Study

      I think the sheer number of comments suggests what a difference bathroom manners make. I love it when in the movie Jungle to Jungle the dad tells his son to put the toilet seat down because it has been a cause of war and resulted in many deaths LOL I put the cover down because Martha Steward and Dr. Laura say it's visually more appealing.

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      Hendrika 3 years ago from Pretoria, South Africa

      Closing the lid is obviously the best, there is unfortunately one problem and that is that it can be a problem for old and sick people. When my sister in law was dying of cancer she asked us not to do it because simply the time it took her to close the lid was the reason she did not "make" it and then the result is whet jammies!

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      Stan Murphy 3 years ago from Kansas

      I grew up in a family that left the toilet lid up for many years until we began to accidentally drop other toiletry items into it. I remember how much cleaner the bathroom looked once we did this. My wife has always insisted on it, so I am glad I had a chance to make the change while still living with my parents.

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      Better Yourself 3 years ago from North Carolina

      The bacteria factor alone was enough for me! I can hardly stand the thought of it and since I can't control what other people do in my bathroom I leave my toothbrush closed up in the cabinet high up! And I've thankfully caught myself the few times I didn't know the seat was up in the middle of the night. Very interesting hub, great job!

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      BkCreative 3 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Sigh! Let me add one more reason for putting down the toilet lid. I was cleaning the bathroom with the lid up, using a toothbrush to scrub around the faucet and yes, the toothbrush fell in the toilet. It was like a magnet the way it jumped out of my hand and down the bowl. Then the toilet started backing up. I had to get in a plumber yesterday but it is still running slowly. All this because I dared to clean while the toilet lid was up. Never again!

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      BkCreative 3 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Alecia Murphy - thank you so much. Who needs the germs!

      LensMan999 - you're welcome. Glad you enjoyed the hub.

      Hezekiah - yes, there is something awful about looking in a toilet bowl.

      QueenScheherazade - thanks so much and a big welcome to hub pages. I've been here over 4 years and it just gets better and better. I will look you up!

      marion langley - I'm glad you mentioned Jungle to Jungle. I had no idea and now must look it up. Wonder if we will start a war over this soon? Haha - why not!

      Hendrika - certainly a good point. I admit there have been times when I had back pain and I thought I wouldn't make it because the seat was down. Almost didn't. It was a struggle.

      stan murphy - I am so glad you said that because as you can see in my first comment I innocently dropped a tooth brush in the bowl and never saw it again. What a disaster when the toilet started backing up. Now that I think back I wonder how many things my children dropped in the toilet. Hmmmm.

      Better Yourself - thanks so much. Unfortunately, I have found myself falling in the bowl and you never want to do that twice!

      Thanks for the brilliant comments. Oh yay!

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      Briefme2 3 years ago

      Brilliant Hub and great incorporation of Lillian Too/Feng Shui. I am going to try putting the lid down but the dogs will be disappointed!

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      savvydating 3 years ago

      Wow! You've gotten a lot of comments on this. Who knew a toilet lid could be so interesting. Yet it is! This is such a well written piece. I'm glad you mentioned the leaning back thing. I don't think I do it, but just in case, now I am more aware. Another thing I like to do is wipe the toilet rims and lid and the part behind the lid pretty regularly with a cleanser that has bleach in it. Often times, we forget to wipe the handles (any handles) so that is a useful tip. Hmm. come to think of it, I think I'd better go wipe my toilet and door handles right now!

      Up & useful.

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      BkCreative 3 years ago from Brooklyn, New York City

      Briefme2 - you know I forgot how much my dog used to drink from the toilet. Then the cat started doing it. They do like that crisp cold water!

      savvydating - I so agree with you. I wish I knew what would gain so much attention! And wiping that always touched handle is a good idea. I'm glad you enjoyed the hub and thanks so much for the votes. Yay!

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      Andy Smith 3 years ago

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      Ruby S. 3 years ago

      You cited good reasons to make it a habit in closing toilet lid all the time.

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      AG 2 years ago

      I cannot believe that there are people that sit down in a toilet without checking that the seat is clean. That's nasty. Anyone who fall in the toilet deserve more than that.

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      Becca 23 months ago

      SEAT down, lid up. Our toilet is clean. There's no bacteria and if you get up at night like I do, you don't want to have to open the lid each time. It's annoying.

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      Geri Anderson 22 months ago from Arizona

      LoL!!! Gotta laugh at those who think 'their' germs are safe.. and that it's too much work to open/shut the lid... How very Lazy-American of them!!!!!

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      MarloByDesign 21 months ago from United States

      Great Hub! I will always close my toilet lid now so my money won't go down the drain (pun intended).

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      PatriciaV 8 months ago

      This has become quite the family debate! My daughter and her family put the lid down after using the toilet. I have NEVER put the lid down. When they were visiting, I woke during the night and went to the bathroom where I promptly peed all over the lid, the floor and myself!! I would take a dump (with the seat up) in the toilet anytime vs this experience!

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