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Memory Foam Mattress Warnings

Updated on March 19, 2017
Memory Foam molds to the body like a snuggle.
Memory Foam molds to the body like a snuggle.

Tempur-Pedic, Memory Foam, and the New Gel Memory Foam Mattresses

Tempur-Pedic and memory foam mattresses are the hottest sellers on the mattress market today; and because of all the hype and recommendations about them, so many people are sure they want one.

At least half of the customers who walked into my mattress store would announce, "I want to look at your memory foam mattresses. I've been reading up on them, my sister has one and loves it, my kid's teacher told me about hers, my doctor recommended it, etc."

Memory foam was our biggest selling mattress - and the most likely to be returned. This information was originally written a few years ago based on my experience as a mattress sales person; and the responses and feedback from real, buying customers during that time.

However, with over 200 comments and counting - this article has validated its own message through comments like the most recent ones in October 2016: "I got up this morning determined to get some truths around these mattresses and happened upon this site. I am so unsurprised to see all the comments on here and feel somewhat relieved it is not just me."

However, there are also many people who swear by their memory foam mattress. There are reasons for that - its just that memory foam isn't for everyone. That is why this article is here: because a memory foam mattress just might be the thing you need, too - or not.

This is one of the most important things you need to pay attention to before you decide to keep a new memory foam mattress: Are you moving more or less after your body has gotten used to sleeping on it..?

Polyfoam vs. Memory Foam vs. Latex
Polyfoam vs. Memory Foam vs. Latex

Return and Exchange Policies

Before you buy a new Memory Foam mattress, you should know that one of the main reasons why people get frustrated with trying to return or exchange them; is that they are often so expensive compared to other types of beds. And since most mattress stores offer credits rather than refunds if you are unhappy with it - that means that if you start out with Memory Foam and then try to exchange it for a less expensive one, later; there will be a huge credit that lingers in the store (as opposed to you receiving cash back).

The risk is yours - do make sure you understand the exchange/return policy of your mattress store before you complete the sale.

Highlights from Wikipedia

Memory Foam is polyurethane with additional chemicals increasing its viscosity and density. It is often referred to as "visco-elastic" polyurethane foam, or low-resilience polyurethane foam. (Low-resilience = low 'push back' support)

  • Higher-density memory foam softens in reaction to body heat, allowing it to mold to a warm body in a few minutes. A lower-density memory foam is pressure-sensitive and molds quickly to the shape of a body pressing against it, returning to its original shape once the pressure is removed.
  • Created by feeding gas into a polymer matrix, the foam has an open-cell solid structure that matches pressure against it, yet slowly springs back to its original shape.
  • Was commonly utilized in cases where the patient was required to lie immobile in their bed on a firm mattress for an unhealthy period of time. The pressure over some of their body regions decreased or stopped the blood flow to the region causing pressure sores or gangrene. Memory foam mattresses significantly decreased such events.

Memory Foam Mattresses are Very Well Marketed

Memory foam was invented by NASA back in the day... Did you know NASA never used it? Tempur-Pedic was founded by a marketing executive. We can all certainly agree that Tempur-Pedic does a good job of marketing their Space-Age, State of the Art materials.

Some of the most trusted Doctors, Chiropractors and Physical Therapists in this country have recommended these products based on this marketing - which includes lots of impressive research to help make things seem so credible.

I'm not saying its not - just that its all really good marketing.

Memory foam mattresses are especially notorious for their HOT sleep and initially strong chemical smell and offgassing issues.

Memory foam basically contains the same ingredients as regular polyfoam - it's just manufactured differently. Essentially, gas is infused into a foam matrix to give it those neat body-molding and shape-remembering characteristics. This is why it can be so much stinkier than regular foam.

I talk about issues with offgassing - along with the details surrounding Federal Fire-Retardant alternatives and Regulations that are used in mattresses, in this previous article if you are concerned about those things.

Example of a plush but firm mattress - ideal for adding additional comfort with any topper. Image Copyright: Misfit Chick
Example of a plush but firm mattress - ideal for adding additional comfort with any topper. Image Copyright: Misfit Chick

What's RIGHT with Memory Foam in Mattresses?

There are good uses for memory foam. It is especially nice for those light, bed-ridden elderly folks who need to be kept comfortable.

Memory foam is also great mixed in with other foam layers in the top of a traditional, Innerspring, pillowtop mattress. Memory foam feels good next to our skin - it cuddles us and makes us feel cozy. So yeah, Memory Foam can really make the difference in the luxurious feel between mattresses.

A memory foam topper can be the ideal thing for adding more comfort to a mattress that needs it. In fact, a memory foam topper on a supportive, plush mattress (firm, but still with some cushion on top - as in the image above) can be a great sleep system and comfortable alternative for people who love the feel of memory foam; but a mattress does not work for their body and/or sleep type.

Also, if you have circulation problems and want to sleep warmer - get something with memory foam in it.

An Example of a Good Memory Foam Topper

Comments below have requested an example of a good memory foam topper. This is one that 'I would buy' because:

1) I like the gel infused into it - gels really do work to help (just help, not correct) give a little more support to the memory foam; as well as do a good job of diffusing the heat for most people.

2) I like the thicker 4" toppers because they give you the most cozy memory foam sleep experience without being a full memory foam mattress. If you're going to spring for memory foam (or latex) - you should always make it a good one. Half-way won't feel nearly as good.

If you can try them out at a store close to you - so that you can easily exchange/return them if you decide you need something thicker or thinner, etc. That is always ideal.

Memory Foam Mattresses Feel Strange for Many Sleepers

But memory foam mattresses are some of the most exchanged/returned mattresses - and that's only one of the reasons why they are so expensive.

I always told people, "Its a great nap mattress."

They almost always feel really good when you first lay down on them...

But, what if you are a tosser/turner at night? Lay down for a minute on any memory foam mattress and then try to roll over. Its like you're sunk into wet sand - good luck. I've had older people return their memory foam mattress for this reason: "You don't understand, I HAVE to be able to get out of it easy in the middle of the night!"

This also plays into sex... what will sex be like on a memory foam mattress? This is another personal choice about these mattresses; because some people like having sex on them - but, many don't like it as well.

The flip side to the 'can't move as easily' point is that your body supposedly won't want to toss and turn as much as it does after you get used to sleeping on it.

That may be, I've never slept on one long enough to know what its like after my body has gotten used to it. All I can tell you for SURE is that so many of them come back to the store just because it is such a different kind of mattress to sleep on every night.

Also, it is a HEALTHY thing for your body to move during sleep - ask your doctor. You don't want to sleep motionless, your joints need a little movement.

Memory foam slowly 'remembers' to restore itself to its original shape.
Memory foam slowly 'remembers' to restore itself to its original shape.

Memory Foam Mattresses are NOT Good for Many Sleepers for Bad Back Pain or for Relieving Pressure Points

Memory foam is a dense foam - this is why it is so hot to sleep on. Even without the pressure of a body on top compressing the foam - just lying there - it can't breathe very well.

And of course, when you lay on it - the foam compresses to an even tighter foam that breathes even less.

Also, when memory foam is compressed as when a body is laying on it - the foam that IS relieving the pressure points when you first get on that mattress is getting MORE FIRM (as in hard, 'wet sand' firm) underneath that shoulder or hip, etc., as you continue to sink into the mattress - especially if you don't do much moving (which we talked about, memory foam can diminish body movement during sleep).

GOOD POINT: Memory foam IS a good 'pressure-point-reliever' for sleepers who manage to remain tossers & turners. I'm sure it would be a good pressure point reliever for me for that reason - I doubt it would cure *my* restless sleeping habits. (I'm known for being a kicker. ;)

Pay Attention to Your Back, Spine & Neck

This is one of the important things that you need to pay attention to if you decide to keep a new memory foam mattress: Are you moving more or less after your body gets used to sleeping on it? Are there aches developing in your back, shoulder, neck, etc., that weren't there before? Sometimes you almost don't notice them at first; but you might more later as the situation continues.

Memory foam is also affected by the heat from your body, which can cause the foam in the mattress where you NEED horizontal support - like your back - to sag too much the warmer it gets - especially if the weight of your body is concentrated in your middle and/or hip zones.

There is NOTHING that is 'pushing back up' to support your back and keep your spine correctly aligned once memory foam turns into cozy, warm mush. This is why I recommended the plush/firm spring mattress with a memory foam topper, above - the bed beneath the topper should keep your body correctly aligned. The topper is just meant for cozy comfort.

Many memory foam mattress customers complain of shoulder/neck pain and/or backaches after sleeping on their mattresses for a few years or even just after a few months, sometimes.

Photo by Ambro
Photo by Ambro

This is why - memory foam actually gets MORE FIRM beneath pressure points if you don't move around much; OR you're not supported in the same way throughout the entire night on that mattress as you were when you tried it out in the store - because of the foam heating up and getting too soft where you need support.

And, this misalignment can be difficult to notice at first... During the night, your body just barely sinks out of alignment as your back starts to sway; especially those tricky back, neck and pelvic areas on your body.

If you have been sleeping on a memory foam mattress for awhile; and any part of your body is having problems - get off of it, at least for awhile to experiment. You could be doing slow-developing, long-term damage to parts of your body without realizing it - only because you don't realize it; not necessarily because there is anything wrong with the mattress.

An ideal latex topper is 4 inches thick with an ILD of 19 to 34 - lesser ILDs are for pillows and are usually too soft, with the possible exception of Fibromyalgia sufferers. Three inches is not thick enough to support a body (although for a memory foam mattress, you might get away with a 2-3" topper if the memory foam isn't too firm).

Memory Foam Mattress Potential Fixes

Adding a topper to a memory foam mattress helps many people, especially when it is too firm or too hot. If a new topper alone doesn't do enough to help you sleep more comfortably; there are cooling sleep products available - as well as ideas from other people who have dealt with that issue with semi-success. I suggest doing a general search for something that might work for you.

Its funny... I was starting to notice a developing trend shortly before I quit my job in March. Mattress customers were coming in who had purchased a memory foam mattress from other stores; and they were complaining that they were too hard. (I've had a few requests in the comments for Natural & Latex Topper recommendations for this reason - so I added these examples.)

These customers were often either looking for a topper to add to the mattress for comfort; or they were looking for a different mattress, entirely. I was beginning to wonder if memory foam mattress manufacturers haven't started making them more firm for the reasons I explained, above.

If they are, its not helping much.

A topper will not correct any structural issues that may be going on - like too much sway where you are heaviest. They do have the capability to add cushion if your mattress is too hard, or to cool it down if it is too hot.

Do yourself a favor and MAKE SURE it is the right mattress for you before your time runs out to exchange/return it.

Memory Foam Customer Experiences in the Comments Below

Thank you so much to the many readers who have shared their memory foam mattress experiences and asked more questions in the comments, below. This article very much continues with them; and is turning out to be a good online resource on the subject.

It is not an exhaustive resource, however. This is just a stop on your research trail about these popular mattresses.

Update: Good Memory Foam Mattress Alternatives

One last thing... You should know that many Doctors, Chiropractors and Therapists are beginning to recommend latex over memory foam as the mattress of choice. I talk about that why that is more in the comments, below. In fact, when you start browsing the web about this subject, many of them have 'invented' their own latex mattress brands.

A latex mattress is a really good alternative to a memory foam mattress because they both 'mold' around you like a glove - allowing for pressure point relief; BUT latex also gives support where memory foam does not. There are also other reasons to consider a latex mattress.

Another potentially-good alternative to a typical memory foam mattress for people who really like the feel; is a pocket-coil innerspring with memory foam on top. I'll talk more about why they might work in the comments; and you'll also see a couple links to them.

Mattress shopping hints: Please try not to get too hung up on brand names until you decide 'what kind of mattress' you want - then it is easier to weed through which brand might be best to buy.

I also highly-recommend going to mattress stores to test mattresses out - that is the only way your body will get a good feel for them. Here is some good, general advice while shopping for a new mattress - including how to test them to know which ones will work best for you and/or your partner's best sleep.

© 2013 Catherine Mostly

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      RemaxCapitalCity 3 years ago from Austin, Texas

      I've recently started hearing about how these mattresses are comfy, yet ultimately not healthy for your back. Good article!

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks... I've met more than a few customers who wish they had known about this info BEFORE they spent so much money on this type of mattress - and then had to buy a different new one before its time was us. I'm glad it helps. :)

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      David 3 years ago

      Do you have any science or citations to back any of this up? Or is it just your opinion with choice words in CAPITALS?

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Science or citations... There's a lot of that out there, but sorry, I didn't add it into here. This is based on my mattress sales experience of selling these beds for FIVE years. At first, they were a lucrative mattress to sell for obvious reasons. But, if you're someone who constantly comes in contact with the opinions of people who have owned these beds - and are often replacing them for those reasons. Then I'd say this is a pretty accurate assessment of the experience many people have with these mattresses. Of course, not ALL people who own a memory foam mattress come to hate it. That's why I urge people to pay attention to the dates/deadlines of their purchase - so that they can be paying attention to this stuff to see if it is applying to them before they are stuck with it.

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      David 3 years ago

      I agree, however as salesperson are you not more likely to have unhappy customers come back to you than customers who really like their mattress? I certainly don't pop back to shop to say hi if I like the product.

      I am not saying you are wrong and it is good to read this, but I am struggling to find good reading on the matter. A good quality mattress is a significant investment and should be done with care.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I've written seven longish hubs on the subject of buying a new mattress, David. I'd say I know what I'm talking about. ;) Like I said, try them out if you think it might be an option for you. Just don't stop thinking about whether or not it is the perfect mattress for you until the entire timeframe of the exchange/return policy is up. If you get a good memory foam mattress (not from a big box store - those are often Memory Foam pieced together), you don't have to worry about it breaking down for awhile. Memory foam does not go out of shape for years (unless it's a bad batch of foam, in which case the manufacturer should replace it with your warranty). There really ARE many people who swear by these beds - they also came into my store looking for a guest bed or a child's bed, but not for themselves. They would often rave about their memory foam beds. This is why I recommend you try them out, but pay attention to your back, neck and shoulders while you've got it. If you're looking for the BEST type of mattress to buy that is similar to memory foam, but better - also try out the Latex mattresses at the same time. They do the same thing as memory foam by allowing for pressure point relief, but they also support to fill in gaps that need to be filled in based on you and/or your partner's weight. If you want more info about those mattresses, check out my part 4 article in my link list at the end of this article. Latex doesn't react to body heat like Memory Foam does - it's a good, alternative option that in my opinion, is better. (There are parameters for weeding out good & bad Latex mattresses in my article above.) Good luck, and if you have anymore questions - even about mattresses that you are looking at/shopping for that are not Memory Foam or Latex, feel free to ask no matter what kind they are. :) It is a big ticket purchase and people want their purchase to be worth it for them. It's a normal thing for people to get so frustrated with buying a new mattress for this reason because of information overload out there.

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      Cindy 3 years ago

      This article is very interesting. I have a memory foam mattress. At first I loved it. However it gets very hot and uncomfortable. I can't get a good night sleep anymore. Constant tossing and turning. I don't like a firm mattress. I will be purchasing a new mattress with out memory foam!

      Thank you for this information.

      Cindy

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      patty 3 years ago

      OMG! my lower back is in pain every morning. I have the a very expensive tempurpedic. paid $4000 for it and it was on sale! is there any recommendations on a topper that might be able to patch this problem? seems like all toppers are made out of memory foam now....I hate it! its all a lie. I had a plush pillow top spring mattress that was 8 yrs old and is 200 times better than tempurpedic's crap

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, try adding a latex topper or some other kind of topper on top. Latex will give you the best support if you think you might need more.- maybe 4" of ILD 32. Many of the memory foam mattresses of my customers ended up in the guest room and they literally had to rebuy a new mattress. Sometimes a topper will help a lot if you can't afford a new bed - but they can be expensive, too. Good luck! :)

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      bambi 3 years ago

      worse matress ever!!!! tryinr to return it after 2 months. fkin nitemare. make sure you get all th inffo b4 buying crap!!!

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thank you for confirming what I've been trying to tell people, bambi. When people have what has been pounded into their heads for so many years, it's really hard to get them to believe something different. So sorry you missed out on this article before you bought - hopefully, some other people will be aware, now. Thanks again. :)

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      Maryna 3 years ago

      Memory Foam mattresses and pillows should NOT be sold at all! All my problems.... dizziness, headaches, breathing problems, rashes on my face, neck, head and eyelids started shortly after I purchase my pillows from a well known distributor. Unfortunately it took me more than a year and lots of reading to find that memory foam is a health hazard!

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks for the info, Maryna - Sorry you had to find out the hard way. Hope you're more cozy now. :)

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      Martin Strazdins 3 years ago

      Purchase Tempur mattress approx 7 years ago. Developed back pain approx 2 1/2 years ago. MIR confirmed trapped nerve. As retired able to take it easy and gradually getting better. Most mornings get out of bed and stiff for few minutes. Still getting pain in legs. Thought imagining it at first but when ever sleep in spare bed with firm standard mattress not stiff in mornings & pain in legs gone.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, that's a fairly normal complaint - glad you got it corrected and you're feeling better.

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      Tracy Gvazdinskas 3 years ago

      I relate so many of the points you've made here. We have had our Tempurpedic mattress for about six months and my hate for this mattress has grown to astronomical proportions! I am a side sleeper and have developed some serious shoulder issues from this mattress. I toss and turn all night, destroying one shoulder then the other, trying desperately to get comfortable. I have now resorted to sleeping on my couch because my shoulder hurts so badly. I knew from the first night that this mattress would not work for me, but my husband was in heaven, so I bought the whole, "your body has to get used to it," explanation and kept forcing my body through the pain. Now I believe I may have permanent shoulder damage! If I had known what I know now, there is no way in hell I would have bought this mattress!! Do not buy into the hype. If you are a side sleeper, and you weigh more than a hundred pounds, this is your worse nightmare!! It's like sleeping on a concrete slab!

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Is your husband willing to put a topper on the top of it? Dang, he really shouldn't make you sleep on the couch like that. See if you can talk him into a 'normal' bed again, put a memory foam topper (even just on his side since he likes it so much) - and put that bed in the guest room or sell it. Your issues will only get worse, and your couch is only a temporary solution. It is not made to support you like a bed, and because it isn't - it will break down faster, also. Good Luck!!

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      brass 3 years ago

      I think I have to agree with David somewhat here. Not much factual information, just some speculations based on a few unhappy customers. Obviously there are different type beds to suit different needs, but just because it doesn't work for one doesn't mean it's garbage either. Pretty much any surface gets more firm the more it's compressed - poly foams, latex, h.r. foams, springs. It's called physics, not exactly a memory foam problem. To use that logic would be saying any bed is useless. Memory foam is supposed to sag, it's a comfort layer that helps reduce pressure. You can't reduce pressure by providing supportive pressure. The foam/latex layers beneath are what provide the support and if you knew anything about memory foam mattresses you'd know this. Nice to see information from both sides of the coin as it were, however it would be much more impressive with more than just subjective opinion by someone who admittedly hasn't even used the item they're warning about. As a side note, I think you could do without the snarky undertones. You were a SALES person for a whole what, 5 years? That's like the kids behind the counter at the auto parts store who show up 9-5 to sell things, most of which they've never used personally - attempting to school me on various products when in fact I'm an ase certified repair tech and know better first hand. Maybe you'd have more room to be snarky if you actually USED the product you're downing. If people would like to browse information about a variety of options, I'd recommend they hear out people who have been in the industry for decades and know a little bit more about what they're talking about. Some place like themattressunderground.com . Sorry, obviously you have SOME experience in selling them but you make it out to sound like you have a doctorate hanging on your wall certifying you 'talked about a mattress you've never used' for FIVE whole years. Not impressed. I was actually hoping for some good information, but to rant about a product and make bold statements about its' medical suitability for aching joints and spinal alignment without the first clue of orthopedic medicine is just ignorant. Any more than I have a basis to make quality claims of the beef used at a restaurant and how it's prepared simply because I ate there a few times and it didn't suit my personal tastes.. or rather in this case, going on about it because it didn't suit the taste of others who complained to me while not having tasted it or having the first clue about it in the first place.

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      Anon 3 years ago

      I would be absolutely shocked if none of these comments had been written by the author to support the article's case. There's an almost deliberate variation in sentence structure, misspellings etc to the various replies that bash memory foam, all of which receive agreement and comments from the OP.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry, peeps... I'm not manipulating the comments. Ask around - keep looking. I have NOT told you to completely disregard these mattresses. If I haven't made this point enough, I apologize - I HAVE had customers buy these mattresses and love them long past a year. I'm just warning you because so many consumers base their buying decisions on all the hype. Pay attention to what your body is telling you and know the return policy well before you buy - that's all I'm saying. :)

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      karen 3 years ago

      Hi Misfit I have to agree with you 100% I have a Tempur Pedic Mattress. I have started wheezing while I am in bed. I have shoulder pain and back pain while in bed and after I get out. I am not that old to have these things going on. Ours is only 3 years old and I can't wait to get it out of the bedroom. Thank you for your article and time to post it. Some of us appreciate it. Now I have to find a quality mattress that is not Memory Foam. Any suggestions on a quality mattress? Thank you.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      If you're just looking for something 'generic' the 'heavenly bed' by Serta was often requested in the mattress showroom that I worked at. You often find that in hotel rooms, and they will often give you the phone number to get one if you request it. Again, not every mattress is for everyone - it's best to go out and do the testing for what you need for your sleep type and situation, yourself. You'll find 'how to' articles that I've written for that, within the links at the end of this article. Good Luck, and feel free to ask questions. I really don't mind helping - but take it with a grain of salt. Only YOU can really decide what mattress will work best for your body. :)

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      Denise 3 years ago

      Hate it!! Plain and simple. Way too hot to sleep on. My shoulders hurt, my hips hurt, my back hurts. I haven't had a good nights sleep in a year. My husband loves it, but he's a back sleeper and I'm a side sleeper. He's currently on his iPad looking up cooling toppers. I wish we never bought this mattress!

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      If you can... 'try' a cooling topper first, or get it from a place where you can take it back if it doesn't work. Those are yet another thing that only work well for 'some' people. Even a cooling topper will warm up to a body's temperature after awhile. Try a thick wool topper - it's more 'airy', and can be turned over and fluffed up, etc. We used to sell a lot of them to fix memory-foam beds and they seemed to work well for most peeps. Good Luck and sorry you're in pain.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      For 'brass' above... My apologies if this article sounds 'snarky' and offensive to you, I can only imagine that you either own one of these mattresses and love it, or you sell them and make a lot of money off of them.

      As I said in an earlier comment reply - THIS information is NOT based on 'official' research or memory foam studies, etc. It's based on HOW OFTEN these types of beds came back to my store (and they were 'good ones' - not cheap knockoffs.) It is also based on OBSERVATION and feedback I received both from customers who were returning them and customers who had later regretted buying one and were coming in for a fix or a replacement.

      Why should five years of that kind of information be considered worthless - especially if it's true?

      Sure, you can resell a memory foam bed that has been returned for a profit still - it doesn't hurt YOU to push these beds, does it?

      People who work hard for their money DESERVE a good night's sleep. SOMETIMES you can find that on a memory foam mattress, and sometimes NOT. If I'm snarky it's because I'm irritated that so many people don't sleep well on them - as claimed.

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      Stu 3 years ago

      Arg, didn't want to buy a memory foam mattress, but they all have a component with it ... now I wish I'd looked harder, my back feels all borked ! Next time I'm want one with springs and no foam!

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      Bob 3 years ago

      Idk why there are all these negative comments on this site. Almost every other site that has reviews for tempurpedic, the far majority of the comments are favorable. I own the tempur rhapsody and my wife and I couldn't imagine going back to an innerspring mattress. We both tossed and turned and had constant back problems from our sealy posturepedic euro plush pillow top. I highly doubt these are all legitimate reviews.

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      Sev 3 years ago

      I've been using temper pedic mattresses for almost 7 years. I kept it because it was expensive mattress. when I bought this, the salesman told me I can use 20 years this mattress. My husband and I have a lot of back pain during night. the mattress is soft, it really doesn't firmly support your back. it sinks. also it makes it so hot after a while. I can't sleep long hours on this mattress. The temper pedic commercial is way exaggerated. whenever i watch the commercial, it feels like ripping off people. The author really explained very well.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      For some strange reason, Hubpages is not giving me the option to reply to these last three comments - so I'll do that here.

      @Stu: That is often the extreme reaction from people after becoming disenchanted with a memory foam mattress - to get one with 'no foam'. Foam itself is not the culprit, it's the TYPE of foam. You will WANT foam in your mattress or you won't be cozy. Foam is what provides the comfort layers in most mattresses. Just get something with a lot less memory foam. :)

      Bob: Please read the comment above Stu's. I DO NOT tinker with comments in here. I have absolutely NO REASON to.

      Sev: Like I said in the article above, 'it's all really good marketing'. Sorry you had a bad experience. This is why this article is here. I really hope it helps some of you before you sink a bunch of money into something that you're stuck with for too long.

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      chris 3 years ago

      I spent $2000.00 on a memory foam, 14in thick.... loved it, then hated it, too hot... no support!! I've had 3 lumbar surgeries and 2 c-spine surgeries and I'm dumping my memory foam. Two college degrees and retired Air Force, I know what I'm going through isn't the way it's supposed to be, what a waste of money, it's all the hype, if that many people love it...it must be perfect!! The queen bed in my spare room is 15 yrs old, not used much, but I love it; and not it's not memory foam!! I've read the articles, all of them, great info; thanks!! Will be finding me a new bed soon...and then a new pillow (not a memory foam pillow either)

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      Karen 3 years ago

      Hi Misfit

      Can you suggest a good mattress that is not Memory Foam and that does not have a pillow top on it? I have back issues and need a really good supportive bed. Thank you so much.

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      Dave 3 years ago

      Haha, kinda funny reading this. I was looking for something else when I stumbled on this.

      I actually have some generic memory foam mattress. It was like 500-700 dollars or something and it's perfect for me. Sleeping on my side, face, or back. The only thing I've noticed is that, at least I think, the foam in the middle is starting to break down since I've had it for a few years. All this means is that it's slightly softer and less firm in the middle. Never had any troubles getting out either, off the side or moving towards the end of the bed and getting off at the end, seeing as I have nothing blocking it.

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      Danielle 3 years ago

      I have had memory foam for a few years, never had a problem with it. It didn't get hot, and I can easily toss and turn on it. I prefer it over spring mattresses.

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      Mike 3 years ago

      I love my Memory foam Mattress perfect support for my side sleeping .

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      Debbie 3 years ago

      I just purchased a Serta memory foam mattess since my boyfriends mattress had springs sticking out completely. i would wake up miserable every single day after getting out of bed. I had went to one store and got a memory foam mattress stupid cheap because of a mix up with the tags. I have been sleeping on it for close to a week now it's a little too firm for my liking to be honest but my back pain is completely gone after sleeping on this mattress. I'm hoping it will get a little bit softer over time but we shall see how well this all holds up. I also would toss and turn all night but now i move a few times in my sleep and that's it. ive also been resting a lot better.

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      If you're reading down through all of these comments - you will see that I have been accused of tampering with comments in here. I find it really strange that the last four have been so positive. What are you looking up about Memory Foam mattresses if you're happy with yours?

      I'm not accusing anyone of anything... Just know that the companies that make and sell these products make A lot of money off of them. They don't want you to know this stuff. It is common practice to combat negative press by claiming the messenger is lying.

      Again, why would I? I no longer sell these beds. If I was 'just trying to make money' off of an article, I could have written it about different subjects I am familiar with.

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      zlorettaz 3 years ago

      I love my memory foam mattresses for the first 12 months and then I have back pain every morning. Buy a new foam mattress and it lasts again for a year and back pain starts. I pay about $700 so maybe that is the problem but not willing to risk it and spend a fortune so going back to a spring mattress asap.

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      Boots 3 years ago

      I was getting excruciating pain in my right lower abdomen and back. I do have a bad back not nothing like this, a hot poker being shove in ,just above the pelvic area. I had a number of tests and found nothing. Thinking back it all started when I got the memory foam. I took it off and I now have no problem

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      Catherine Mostly 3 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm glad you're feeling better, Boots. It's comments like this that made me write this article - I've heard things like this many times. I know some people swear by memory foam mattresses - they obviously work for them, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if any part of your body is constantly aching and you sleep on one, get off of it. You could be doing slow-developing, long-term damage to parts of your body without realizing it - only because you don't realize it; not necessarily because there is anything wrong with the mattress itself. The one your on just doesn't agree with your body.

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      Lance Bray 2 years ago

      Hi Cindy,

      I have invented and produced a brand new kind of mattress, I was a retailer of mattresses for 12 years so I also see the pro's n Cons from the industry. I took the knowledge and customer feedback and tried to come up with a product that not only can suit all but you can constantly change till you do and then change again should your needs change. I would be interested to hear your views. You can view at www.nremsleepsystem.com Kind Regards Lance

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      Cyndie 2 years ago

      We purchased this mattress about 2 1/2 years ago. I hate it. I had a spinal fusion in 2003 and never had any subsequent problems until we purchased this mattress. I wake every morning with hip and back pain and my husband says I am now shuffling, instead of picking up my feet, to walk. I am only 44. I am also waking up about 4-5 per night trying to get comfortable. I thought I was paying for an excellent sleep. Guess not

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      Kate Tokar 2 years ago

      Your articles were super helpful to us in mattress shopping. Thank you for taking the time to write them! Sorry for the negative feedback you've gotten. I'm grateful for them! But I do have a question- we bought a firm bed without a pillow top since our pillow top wore out so easily. We purchased a topper that is like memory foam (it's 3in thick and a good one). I don't like it. What is another good topper choice? I've had feather before and I didn't like it bc the feathers move and get piled in weird places and poked us. This foam hurts my neck. Is there anything to but that is like what's on top of. A pillow top but is a topper? That way we can use it a few years and just buy another topper when that wears out. Thank you!

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      Darrell Roberts 2 years ago

      Thanks a lot this was a very helpful article.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks Darrell, I'm glad they have helped. And Kate... I would suggest a latex topper at least 3" thick but 4" would be better. An ILD 32 or 28 often works for most people. If you can find a place that will let you test them out before you buy, even better. Good Luck. :)

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      Ky 2 years ago

      Deleting posts hey?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      For Ky above... Yes, there are PLENTY of comments in here that rave about the benefits of memory foam (and accusing me of manipulation). This article is NOT about that; and I have no intention of giving a 'selling' platform to memory foam mattress sales people in any attempt to debunk the REAL information I have in here.

      Read the previous comments if you want to hear praise & support about memory foam - or go read one of the many many online articles written in praise of it. I mean, why are people like YOU who love it so much even in here if you're already HAPPY with your choices if you're not SELLING these beds?

      Consumers need REAL unbiased information about them. I certainly have nothing against these beds other than what I have written for the reasons that I have explained.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yes, I received another reply from Ky - just FYI for people who read through all the comments. It is only fair to mention that this person claims to not sell these mattresses or get commission off of them.

      I'm not allowing the reply to post because it takes us away from the point of this article: I recommend that you try these mattresses out if your heart is set on one - because memory foam MIGHT work for you. This article is just a warning of what to watch out for BEFORE you are stuck with that bed.

      In other words, it should be able to HELP you identify whether or not the mattress will work for you over the long run.

      It is meant to be a helpful article to help SOME people save them money and a few other things - and that's all.

      This is my last response to this issue. All future similar comments like this will be deleted. I don't mind memory foam being praised - but there are SO MANY places out there that do that and they are easy to find. They aren't necessary in here, I'm sorry if that offends anyone.

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      Ted 2 years ago

      You mention latex hybrid beds but what about memory foam hybrid where there is foam on top and still spring support on the bottom?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I do mention those when I talk about pillowtops above. Memory Foam can certainly make a difference in the 'luxurious' feel of a normal innerspring mattress. :) I have never seen an innerspring mattress with just memory foam on top - it is usually layered with other foams. They may exist somewhere, however. If you find one like that, I would still pay attention to how your body reacts over a few weeks/months.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      For David who just couldn't manage to glean any good information out of my five years of experience written about above - due to the three admittedly unprofessional spelling/grammatical errors left in the article: I have corrected them and sincerely hope this clarifies things for you, now.

      Please feel free to ask questions and make comments about this article again. While I appreciated the writing critique; I could have done without the obvious disdain for the information.

      If you have something constructive to point out about it - I'm fine with that; and I will either leave it up or respond as I have others. If you're going to act like a resentful sales person whose 'livelihood' I may be cutting into because of this information - don't bother. Please just re-read my two responses to the second-to-the-last comment above. Those types of comments will continue to be deleted.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I have also found it really surprising how much static I have received about this article - I really was not anticipating any kind of resistance to this honest information; although I have not been at all surprised to see people supportive of memory foam. I know it is a well-loved and very cozy thing next to our skin.

      That's why I call it a good nap mattress.

      I was shocked at the first accusations about the potential 'dishonesty' of my information and of manipulating comments in here - and they only continue to get more heated.

      I can't imagine a normal consumer looking for good information about these mattresses would be offended by it. It really makes me wonder just how right I may really be about all of this ASIDE from my experience with it.

      If I had a dime for every time a mattress manufacturer sales rep (just pick one, doesn't have to be tempurpedic) twisted information or left it out in order to sell their beds - I'd be RICH.

      "Just say this about it, just say that..." You can all just BITE me. (I know, that isn't a very professional thing for me to say, is it?) If people are coming into your stores more informed than before, then WOOT! (For instance, research what 'soy foam' really is, before you believe a mattress sales person that it's 'organic').

      I have no reason to not want the readers of this article to get a GREAT night's sleep. I've said over and over again that it IS POSSIBLE to have that with memory foam. If you are one of those people, good for you. This article is for 'the rest of us' whom it didn't/doesn't/might not work for - for whatever reason.

      If this article is trying to debunk anything about memory foam mattresses... It is simply that they are not the 'best mattress' for any and every body.

      Additionally, *I* have personally known a few really good chiropractors and doctors who have switched to recommending LATEX beds after they had finally tried memory foam for themselves. (Many of them wait until they need a new bed to take their own advice about memory foam just like the rest of us.)

      After going through the process of sleeping on it and realizing that it isn't what it was cracked up to be - and having gone through the same consumer return/exchange process as the rest of us do - CHANGED their recommendation to their patients to latex mattresses, instead.

      That is a FACT and a growing trend among physicians.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry, Tom... I'm not going to let a comment through that is draped in obvious sarcasm about my mean memory foam article that supposedly does nothing but bash at it.

      Tom recommends that you visit the site http://sleeplikethedead.com for more information about memory foam beds from a less-bashing perspective. I would recommend the same thing - it is a good site for good information on all kinds of beds. I certainly do not expect anyone to simply believe me about any of this.

      I would imagine that most people are doing their homework - which is how they arrive at this article. It is just one stop on the memory foam mattress information trail - a good one.

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      Bri 2 years ago

      I personally enjoyed this article. I haven't made a decision as to what mattress I want yet as I'm still reading up, but I'm very prone to impulse-shopping (I'm in college lol) and I know I need to consider all parameters with this purchase. While some don't find "observation" and "personal experience" credible, plenty of people like me love a good, "word of mouth" sort of account; please don't stop with these articles! I certainly don't make purchases solely off the perspective of others but "bedding dynamics" is really unfamiliar territory lol. I needed to know this.

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      Kris 2 years ago

      I really enjoyed your article and found it very informative and unbiased. (thank you!). I have been sleeping on a memory foam topper for a couple of years without any problem. However, a few months ago I started having back pain right where you mention (back meets the pelvis). I sleep so much better when traveling which started me thinking that it might be the topper. The mattress is extremely hard and requires a topper. Do you have any recommendations on a topper? I used to love those egg crate foam toppers they made 20 years ago. Are they a good option for softening an extremely firm mattress? Is latex a good option? Thanks!!

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks Kris... Yes, Latex is a great option for a topper. It will give some support while relieving pressure at the same time. However, a regular foam topper could work just as well if money is an issue. I have one that I've used for a few years, taken care of and still works well. Good luck. :)

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      Becky 2 years ago

      I found your article, and all the comments, to be helpful. I have severe scoliosis, which has caused a lot of neck pain over the past several years. Today I started pain management treatment and my doctor recommended my first step be that I get a temperpedic neck pillow and mattress. He says the mattresses aren't necessarily great for a lot of people, but due to my spine fusion I need a mattress that conforms to me, rather than a hard one that doesn't. I know you aren't a doctor, but during your years of sales, did you have anyone comment about conditions like this? And Have you had any experience with the pillows?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm sorry to hear about your condition - both scoliosis and fibromyalgia are tricky to find a comfortable bed. I would definitely recommend trying both the memory foam and latex beds because they both essentially do the same thing - mold around your body. Latex will also give support while it is doing this, but sometimes the support is too much for fibromyalgia folks and it isn't soft enough. Memory foam just might be the way to go in your case.

      The pillows are also one of those things that people are split on, but you can usually find mattress stores that will let you try them out, first. If they don't work for you, there are some nice latex pillows on the market - mattress stores should have those to try out, too. If you sleep on your back or stomach, you'll need a thinner pillow.

      Also, I had a customer once who had bad scoliosis - and she found that a memory foam wedge worked well for her. A pillow made her uncomfortable, and she wasn't comfortable sleeping flat. Wedges are like large pillows to prop your body up while you sleep (often because of acid reflux). You might give something like that a try.

      Good luck Becky, and thanks for visiting. I hope this helps.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Additionally, for Becky... I realize the scoliosis isn't the same thing as fibromyalgia, and this is why I recommend that you try Latex beds, also - the extra support in those gaps might work for you. However, there is no way to tell for sure until you try them out. I would take a little more time just resting on the ones you find immediately comfortable - those will probably be rare, anyway. Also, if you have a hard time finding a soft-enough memory foam bed - you can always add a thick topper to a firm bed to help mold around your body.

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      Becky 2 years ago

      Thanks so much for the information. I hadn't ever heard of latex mattresses and pillows until I read your article, so I'll give both a try. Given the cost of both, I may end up trying out a good thick memory foam or latex topper on our current firm bed. Although they, too, are expensive, it's still more affordable than an entire new mattress.

      I actually bought a wedge pillow about a year ago, but it wasn't a memory foam. It was just a cheap one I found at a local store. It worked fine for a couple of months, now I rarely use it anymore because it no longer supports. I use it for a leg prop more than anything. I may check into the memory foam wedge when I look at pillows.

      Thanks again for your information. I find it helpful to hear the opinions of people who have worked in the business - they are the ones who hear a lot of feedback. Yes - the people who are happy and have no complaints generally don't come back in to tell you so. But, you still know an average of how many people you make sells to, and how many of those ARE coming back with a complaint (or compliment), and what those complaints are.

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      mvd 2 years ago

      I found this article extremely interesting. We had a 20 year old mattress that needed replacing but bought a memory foam topper for it and that gave us another 4 or 5 hearts out of it. Then we bought a memory foam gel mattress thinking that since the toppet did such a great job the mattress would be great. We read alk the reviews of course, but I have to say I didn't come across this article til I started looking further after having had the mattress for a few months. I've always had back issues but guess what they ate getting worse! I began to notice that I feel like I'm sunk into the mattress. Like my back is just curving more and more each night. I finally started thinking Mattress! After reading this article I'm more and more convinced that or mates is not helping me but making me worse. Tonight I'm going to sleep in my daughter's bed to see how I fare, or shud I say how my back fares. I'm heading to physical therapy for my back this morning and my mattress win be a topic of conversation! Much as it will not make my husband happy I have a feeling this mattress will be going back. I'll keep you posted, and thanks for the HONEST reviews and information from someone who doesn't have a sales agenda but clearly just wants to give consumers another piece of good information that is not coming from a mattress marketing perspective.

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      Mvd 2 years ago

      Whoops, is there a way to edit my post above? My darn swipe changed some of my words. Hopefully you can all read between the lines. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      The only thing I could have done was deny your comment and I didn't want to do that for obvious reasons. I think we can get what you're saying. Thanks for leaving us with your experience and good luck.

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      Diana Phelps 2 years ago from Billings, Montana

      can you post a link to the best memory foam toppers that you talked about in your article? The only thing I am finding is links to other web pages to buy mattresses and toppers but I don't see any recommendations for mattresses or mattress toppers where it said they would be listed below. Thank you!

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry, I didn't think to include recommendations for a good memory foam topper above, for some reason... I like the ones with the gel because the gel really does work to both give a little more support to the memory foam and distribute heat. It basically acts like a stone floor sucking heat from your body to keep you cool. That may sound like 'too much' (and some people DO get chilly on these gel memory foam toppers & mattresses).

      But, the gel is usually enough to keep the majority of us comfortable - they are worth a try. I also like the 4" thicknesses as opposed to anything thinner. It just seems like a waste of money if you're going to buy something that isn't going to give you the feel you're looking for - and 3" isn't going to feel nearly as cozy as a 4" one. But, if you are putting it on top of a softer bed to begin with - 3" or less may be perfect for you.

      I'll add an example above to a link to 'the kind I would buy' if you're interested. If you can buy one close to where you live so that you can try them out and/or return and exchange them easily (in case you might want something thinner or thicker) that is always ideal. Thanks for the suggestion and good luck. :)

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      Jack 2 years ago

      I am a user for Tempur mattress. Tempur has few models of mattresses but generally it's divided into 3 groups which are firm, medium and soft.

      I used to own a firm one and found shoulder pain. Make a complaint and replaced with a soft one. Started fine in first few months but after around 6 months, shoulder pain came back. And recently, after sleeping on this soft Tempur for a year, i felt pain on my lower back, in addition to shoulder pain.

      My wife and my baby who have tried firm and soft Tempur, love them both.

      Misfit, could you please share your advise.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Hi Jack,

      If you can talk your wife into putting a topper on your memory foam mattress or replacing it with a general 'plush' mattress with a lush memory foam topper on top - the latter would be ideal. You might also want to check out the individual pocketed coil mattresses if you decide on looking at a new one. Those will also allow your body to conform where it needs to - but also support you in the places you need support. They 'work like' latex and are very comfortable without being as expensive (usually).

      Putting more money into a bed or replacing it is never fun and often hard to do when finances are tight - and even more hard to do when your sleeping partner loves the bed.

      Maybe have your wife read this article? The bed may be perfect for her; but I doubt she wants your body to be in pain when she can probably be just as cozy on something that works for you both.

      Good luck and thanks for stopping by. :)

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      Jack 2 years ago

      Memory foam supposed to be a pressure relieving material. So i really do not understand and a bit confused as well. Is there any scientific or logical explanation on why memory foam could cause shoulder pain when sleep on side?

      And after a year on soft Tempur, why my lower back feel pain?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I explained that in the article above, Jack. Let me know if there is something that needs a little more explanation - it's hard to tell how well things come across, sometimes.

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      Mike 2 years ago

      I spent $5,800 on a tempurpedic rhapsody luxe and within a month a had back problems. I went out of town for a month and my back pain was gone. I just got back home two weeks ago and now I'm in serious pain. I wish I would've caught this within my 90 day trial. Now I'm stuck with a near 6k bust. This really sucks. Not sure where to go from here.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, that's why this article is up here. So sorry, Mike. Customers who came in to replace a bed like this always wanted to know what they could do with the memory foam bed. The one good thing about these beds is - since they are so popular - they 'usually' sell well if they are fairly new up on Craigslist or places like that. You might get a lot less than you want for it - but it might be enough for a new bed. Good luck.

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      Mike 2 years ago

      What do you know about the Saatva beds?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I haven't heard much about them. But, by reading through their website - I can certainly see how they could be a comfortable bed and potentially keep you 'aligned properly' for awhile.

      However, they don't look very sturdy to me. Those kind of individually-wrapped 'toppers' don't have a very good reputation for holding up for long - because the coils are smaller and bend and/or get tangled up with each other, somehow. Mattress manufactures don't really use them much anymore - unless they have been improved upon. But, these coils don't look special. I would definitely do other research on the brand to see what customers complaints may be. I'm sure you are. :)

      The flip side is that they don't cost as much - so taking a risk on one is your gamble. I always recommend that people go to a mattress store to test mattresses out. Buying them online isn't a good way to get a mattress like this unless you're buying for a guest bed or something temporary. However, I realize you might feel a little burned after your last bed-buying experience. This might be a good temporary fix for you. And if you end up liking it - woot!

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      Mike 2 years ago

      Thanks. I'm going to try a mattress topper for now and see where I get. My bed is a 7 out of 10 in firmness

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      Kim 2 years ago

      Thanks for this article. One additional question I have is whether or not weight has anything to do with getting comfortable on a memory foam mattress. My husband is 6'1" 190lbs and I am 5'2" 115 lbs. He loves it and I have been suffering for the last seven years. I never made my "dent" and as you say I have stopped tossing and turning in my sleep. I wake up every morning with lower back pain and just thought I was getting old. :( I have been suspecting the mattress was the issue for some time now. I am going to spend some time in the guest room and see if anything improves. Thanks for confirming I am not crazy or just getting rickety bones!

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      You know, I used to think it was heavier people who had more problems with memory foam; but about halfway through my tenure as a mattress sales person - I decided that weight didn't really matter. It seems to be split roughly half & half.

      I think it depends on whether or not you can sleep 'still' or not - that is just a theory at this point; because even then, the opinions are split almost equally - does sleeping more still help or harm your body?

      For some people, sleeping 'more still' seems to HELP - go figure. Someone needs to do a good study on this issue.

      Good luck. :)

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      Samantha 2 years ago

      I really appreciate your articles, so thank you for writing them. However, now I am even more confused as to what to do lol. I did recently buy a sealy libretto and I think it is causing me issues. I told the sales guy I did not want memory foam and he told me that the libretto is not really memory foam. I feel I may have been lied to? I called the store and they said it's hard to find a mattress without some memory foam. Not sure what to do and I worry if I take it back, I will end up something worse.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I had to look it up - here is a link to information on Sealy's Libretto Mattress. http://www.sleepcountry.ca/products/tabid/131/prod...

      I don't know, it sure looks & seems like a memory foam mattress, to me. The fabric on top is more 'tufted' than usual - but inside, it's basically gel memory foam (the gel helps make the mattress sleep cooler).

      I'd say someone lied to you - it's obviously memory foam. I'd love to know what the salesperson's reasoning was behind claiming that it wasn't. This mattress obviously has more than 'some' memory foam in it.

      What can you do now? Depends on the store - it's your word against the salesperson; and how that store treats their customers. I'm going to guess not-so-well if they flat-out lie to them like this.

      Good luck, Samantha... and let us know how things go, if you can. :)

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      Samantha 2 years ago

      Thanks for the verification. I know I have until October 6th to return it.

      It was a roundabout lie. I knew it was "like memory foam, but different". He said the memory foam is down so far that it shouldn't cause a problem. Is it true that most beds have at least some memory foam now? By the way, the link is the store I bought it from.

      Now I feel stuck as to what type of bed is going to help me since I just went through 9 years of hell on my old one.

      Are you available on email or anything for some advice?

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      Samantha 2 years ago

      So, if someone is possibly sensitive to memory foam, a little is still okay? I still don't know if the bed is causing the issues, but I do know they started after getting the bed. I am running out of time to exchange it, so I think it is best to not take the chance that it is not the bed - if that makes sense lol. I am a little more than pissed that when I said I did not want memory foam I bought memory foam because I believed it is different and so far down in the bed that it wouldn't matter. Grrrrrr

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      There is a mixture of high density foam & memory foam in that bed - but, that is the way ALL memory foam mattresses are made. They don't make them with a solid slab of 'just memory foam' - if they did, your body would continue to sink through it.

      Yeah, a little memory foam layered into a pillowtop mattress or as a topper can be a good thing - an entire memory foam mattress is where issues with it come in (probably because the memory foam is thicker than a simple topper; and an innerspring underneath as opposed to foam seems to help a lot).

      If your issues started after you bought the bed - I would blame it on the mattress and exchange it, too.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Additionally, maybe the manufacturer thought that putting polyfoam on top of the memory foam would help solve some of the issues with these beds - and maybe it does for some people. But if the memory foam is underneath and you're having issues, it isn't supporting you quite right. It's almost like they are trying to use memory foam as the support - but, that is impossible. Memory Foam is NOT a very supportive material at all. I would guess that you are swaying too much in the middle of the night as it heats up.

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      Samantha 2 years ago

      Yeah, this so called gel memory foam does not sleep cool as they say. I have woken up hot in the middle of the night. Plus, there is not enough info on these gel memory foam beds. This is so frustrating. I am going to try to get to Sleep Country tonight... I tried a memory foam topper on my old bed and it made my cat ill, so that was part of why I did not want memory foam. Just so I am clear, a little bit of memory foam is not likely to cause health issues if it is in an innerspring? What about pocketcoil?

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, some people (and animals) ARE sensitive to memory foam in that way - and if it is not directly on top, that should help lesson irritations; but it probably won't eliminate them, depending on how sensitive you and/or kitty are. If your cat isn't reacting to this bed, the memory foam is far enough away for he/she not to react to it. That doesn't keep your body from reacting to it, however.

      Memory Foam mattresses can cause toxic health issues with or without an innerspring - it's body alignment that it can mess with to cause an unhealthy sleep experience. An innerspring seems to help correct that.

      I like pocketcoils - they 'act like' latex by conforming to your body; and just like latex, pocketcoils push back up against you to support WHILE allowing the parts of your body that stick out the most to sink into the bed to keep your back naturally aligned.

      If you go for this kind of innerspring - make sure that the foam on top isn't too thick (a little memory foam and/or latex within the layers might feel good to you, however). Manufacturers often really pile the foam on top of pocketcoils for that 'sleeping on a cloud' experience - but they are often notorious for eventually wearing hills & valleys into the foam.

      A pocketcoil doesn't NEED all that extra foam on top because it conforms to your body, itself. Of course, this is a possibility with all innerspring mattresses.

      Gel memory foam is designed to help people sleep cooler - and for some people they work pretty well; but you're right, they will often eventually seem to get as hot as regular memory foam, for others. I think it depends on how hot the person naturally sleeps and/or moves around on the mattress. (If you don't move much, you're probably warming one spot up pretty well.)

      You said you were shopping at Sleep Country... are you in Seattle? I could direct you to a good pocketcoil mattress for you to try, if you are. You might be able to find something similar at the store where you need to make the exchange.

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      Samantha 2 years ago

      No, I am in Canada - Far from Seattle in Toronto, Ontario lol. The link you found about the Sealy Libretto was from Sleep Country Canada, which is where I bought the bed.

      I am not convinced my cat isn't reacting to it. Perhaps the reaction is not as quick as it was with the topper, but since I have had the bed since Aug. 6, I am starting to piece together some differences in her.

      I think it sounds like it is best to stay away from memory foam as much as possible? I am not sure I want innerspring with foam on top. Wouldn't that cause problems if someone is sensitive to it?

      I did end up emailing you :)

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I just saw that email and responded, sorry. Sometimes I don't get in there fast enough. :)

      All innerspring mattresses will have some type of comfort material on top - usually that is a blend of variations of polyfoam, memory foam and/or latex. Foam, in general, is not what you need to stay away from - you NEED comfort layers to relieve pressure points.

      It just needs to be the right mix of 'not too thick' foam - but, it also needs to be 'thick enough' for you to sleep cozy. That's why I left you the link above about how to test mattresses - so you can tell when you've found a good combination for you. I know it seems like a lot to read through - but you'll learn a lot about how to get a good feel for a mattress.

      Don't shy away from polyfoam or latex - maybe memory foam since it doesn't seem to agree with your kitty very well.

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      Misfit 2 years ago

      Hi Misfit!

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      Well hello! We misfits need to stick together. :)

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      Mikaylia 2 years ago

      Haha. Oops, sorry Misfit, I had accidentally hit the "post comment" key before getting my question out a couple of nights ago. So I'm in desperate need of your help. First of all, I want to say thank you soooooo much for this webpage and all your awesome advice (for those who are bashing you, clearly need to find better ways to spend their time). So 5 years ago, we bought the firmest bed sleep country had (I think it was called their "black label" (not sure who makes it, but you probably would know) and we loved it, but as of two years ago it has been horrible. I only weigh 120 lbs and my body indentation is so deep. I will say, I do like that it reduces the transfer movements that my husband makes on his side onto mine. But, I'm just dipping in and into the center. Please keep in mind, that I'm a horrible sleeper (wicked insomnia and restless legs, according to my sleep study result, I wake up 28 times in an hour). So I'm willing to pay a lot for a bed that will help my sleep anyway. That's why the reduction of the movement from hubby was such a big deal for me, cause sadly when he turns from one side to another i feel it and it wakes me up. We are now looking for a new bed. Please keep in mind my husband has a herniated disc in his neck (he's 45 years old and weighs about 170 and i'm 39 and mentioned above weighing 120lbs) and he is a either a back sleeper or side sleeper. I'm more of a side sleeper and stomach. We had tried the tempurpedic and that lasted 2 days (of course they argued with me that I had to try it our for their trial period but that wasn't happening since it caused me hip pain in those two nights that i never had). We have stayed in great hotels in Italy and LOVE their bed. Not sure who makes them but there is zero feel of movement when my hubby tosses and turns. I absolutely love how firm they are. Someone said that European beds are made from latex?? So I'm leaning towards latex. After reading your article and those you have listed, I'm leaning towards an organic latex mattress. I just don't know where to try it out (we live in Sammamish, WA so not far from Seattle) and also what ILD number and Talalay topper would be good for us. Also, where is a reliable place to buy from and one that gives a good return policy in case it is not what we like (if it's anything like tempurpedic, I may go nuts). Also, is it better to go with one that you has the comfort layer as a separate topper so we can exchange or replace the topper? Any suggestions or advice would be HIGHLY appreciated!! Thank you in advance.

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      Debs 2 years ago

      Hot, hot, hot. 'Nuff said:(

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      Ellenhop 2 years ago

      I was googling "back pain and tempur pedic mattresses" this morning, and came across your article. So helpful! We have a $4,000 tempur pedic mattress purchased about 10 months ago. I thought I loved it. I am a runner, weigh about 125, about 5'1", and I have developed a lower back pain last spring, and started seeing a chiropractor so I can run pain free. I figured I must have injured my back somehow, but when I woke up this morning with more back pain than I had when I went to bed, it finally dawned on me it may be my much-loved mattress. It is all coming together now.. Pain started about a month after my new mattress. I am shocked... Preparing for a marathon, and just not sure how I will pull this off pain free.

      Also, FYI - for Kim, my husband is 5'8", and heavy, 285 or so - he loves the bed, and pain free.

      Go figure.

      I plan to experiment and sleep on the sofa bed for a few nights to see if my suspicion is correct. If so, I don't know what I will do.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks for sharing, Ellen... I know toppers are not a favorite thing to add to a memory foam bed, but even a generic polyfil topper will probably help because it should help fill in and support your curves where the memory foam bed seems to be lacking - or if it is an issue with joints, it will also create a barrier between your bones and that 'wet sand' hardness. With that expensive of a mattress, it's worth a try. Good luck!

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      leonard 2 years ago

      Informative and well balanced reporting in my humble opinion as a 6 year cloud model TP owne5 , Thank You.To poster "brass" above, "The proof is in the pudding". I failed to read in your post whether you slept on a memory foam mattress or not however, if someone says," there is a fly in my soup",some would say "eat around it" and others would say " don't eat it".This article's author has creatively stated the soup itself may be fine if you like eating flies . As well,you being a mechanic ( lower on blue-collar totem pole than a Used Car Salesman), doubtful if you would purchase gas at a location where someone told you they bought gas and their car developed engine problems from the gas they bought there, AND it was confirmed by a "mechanic". Bad Gas...something you can relate to I'm sure. Thank You.

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      leonard 2 years ago

      I botched my post above and it should have said " TP owner for 5 years". Anyway , enjoyed the article more than the bed.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks for putting things in perspective for us, Leonard. :)

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      Hi 2 years ago

      It's been a little over a week that i just got the temperpidic cloud elite. I know you mentioned you just recently quit but was wondering if you have any recommendation for a medium firm mattress because this one is just too soft. I don't know if I haven't given myself enough time to adjust to it but so far my back pain seems to be getting increasing worse. I'm really sad because I want to like this bed but don't know how. Hopefully I can get answer before the time to return it is up.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      The place where you bought it should have more firm options. I'd let them know right away that you think it's too soft. Memory Foam beds are different from innerspring mattresses. They MIGHT let you exchange it for a more firm one sooner if you're sure that's what the problem is (not always).

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      Kept private 2 years ago from Northeast United States

      Thank you for taking the time to share your personal experiences on Hubpages:) My personal experience sleeping on memory foam for the past six years has mostly been a good one. I do not have a Posture Peadic which feels a bit more quick sand like :) I can say however it does hold on to body heat feircy which can cause a bit of a problem during humid hot summer nights. I can also confirm it has felt a bit more firmer latey. Choosing the right pillow can help too. You did a great job covering this topic :)

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      DARKRUBY 2 years ago

      My husband heard about the Tempur pedic so he wanted to go check them out. our spring mattress was giving me major side and hip problems and he was hurting too. When we went to the store it felt real comfy so we bought it... I have hated it ever since. It doesn't conform to your body at all... its like sleeping on the floor. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST COMFORTABLE BED AROUND BUT IT ISN'T!!!.. I have 2 thick quilts that I put on my side of the bed to lay on just to make it comfy.. AND the pillows that we got free with the bed CRAPPY AND DON'T MOVE EITHER.. WE CAN'T EVEN USE THEM... WE PAID ALMOST $6,000 FOR THIS AND ITS THE WORST DECISION WE HAVE EVER MADE!!!!... I HATE TEMPUR PEDIC!!!!!!!

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm really sorry to hear that, Ruby... That is such a common story from people. That's why I wrote this article. Hopefully it helps some people before they get in your predicament.

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      DARKRUBY 2 years ago

      I'm glad you wrote this article. It gave me a place to vent ;)

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      joby 2 years ago

      Bought a memory mattress 10 mth ago i could cut my wrists every night i have to go to bed. From the very 1st night my back was in agony, my spine locks and it feels like its going to snap when i move. Now its spread to my neck. Can't afford new one i hate my life

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      So sorry, joby... This is 'too normal' of a comment. It really is amazing that these mattresses are allowed to be sold the way they are when they are so expensive and so many people can't sleep on them.

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      richard nodler 2 years ago

      i am working on a new mattress design and would love to get your imput on it

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      DARKRUBY 2 years ago

      Hey Joby... I put a really thick fluffy folded up comforter on my side of the bed and its working out fine.. No more uncomfortable sleep.. I can't afford another mattress either so get the comforter out and try it.. :)

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      Sue 2 years ago

      Do you have any info on Dormeo Octaspring mattresses? The structure of the bed is very different.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I don't have any info on them, however, I just looked them up. At first glance, it looks like a great idea - memory foam wrapped around a spring. And with the way they are constructed, they certainly look like they would breath better. It also looks like they have a deal where you can try it and return it pretty easily if you don't like it. I would like to lie down on one to try it out. My concern would be - is there enough cushion between your hip and the spring. They also look like individual coils - another plus that should allow your body to mold to it, better. If you can try them out first - or test drive them; I'd say they are worth a sleep study. ;)

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      Awesome Girl 2 years ago

      I'm so glad that I had found this website. This is some useful things for the future!

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      C L Mitchell 2 years ago

      Interesting to see how much controversy an article about memory foam mattresses can create! I have spent some time sleeping on memory foam mattresses (staying over at friends houses and hotels etc...). The first time I lay on one I loved it and immediately spent days reading through hundreds of online reviews of them and different brands. I tend to get rather obsessive about needing to know everything about a product before I buy one. However, as I slept on them more and more I also formed my own opinions.

      I have massive back problems, and it did initially help my back. However, I found that once I got into a sleeping position at the start of the night, I kind of 'sunk' into that position and never moved from it the entire night. As a result, after a few nights sleep, my back pain got worse and so did other areas of my body that seemed to get pressure point pain. When reading reviews on line, there seems to be quite a divide. For some people it really helps with their back pain, but for others it makes it worse. It appears to be just something that you have to try out for yourself.

      The hot issue is definitely a problem. I usually get quite cold at night, but I did find that these mattresses usually made me over heat.

      A lot of reviews online also reported another major issue with these mattresses in some climates and circumstances. Many people reported mould developing under the mattresses and between their mattress base. Possibly caused by overheated bodies and/or humid climates. This was even after they tried using a really good mattress protector and trying to air them out. I believe this is one of the reasons why latex mattresses make a point of using open cell interiors.

      Anyway, at the end of the day I just think that mattresses are a personal choice and there is not just one mattress that suits all. You need to thoroughly spend time on it (at least 20mins in store) before buying. Try to work out what type of mattresses you prefer by checking out the brand when staying at hotels and friends houses.

      As for memory foam pillows, I personally can't stand them, but my physiotherapist does find that a lot of her patients really like them. Again, we all have our own personal preferences.

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      Bruce 2 years ago

      Great article. I have a chronic pain in lower back where I could not find yet the best mattress option for me. I was almost buying a memory foam when I read your page. Based on your experience do you have any mattress recommendation? Now I have an innespring, I hate it, always sinking. Thanks

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I would try out the individual pocketed coil mattresses and latex mattresses. And if you haven't yet, read the comments above to see if anyone else has had a similar problem to your's. Also, check out my other article about how to test a mattress for your body type. Honestly, that is the best and probably only way you will find 'the right one' is to know how to test them for yourself:

      https://hubpages.com/living/Part-2-How-to-Test-a-N...

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      Jack & Diane 2 years ago

      I will never again have a memory foam mattress. I found my expensive, custom made mattress uncomfortable, hot and completely unsuitable for good sex. You just can’t move around well enough on them and they have no bounce-back, no reactive motion – very unfavorable, rhythmically speaking. I could never get a good night’s sleep on mine; always woke up with a stiff, sore back. I will have nothing but conventional inner spring mattresses from now on. The foam mattress will stay in the guest room to make sure they don’t stay too long.

      Thank you Misfit Chick for providing this helpful forum.

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      Aladdins Cave 2 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Thank you this very informative hub.

      I will not be buying one. I love to toss and turn at night.

      Plus, I'm already HOT at night, and hate the idea of my bed making me warmer.

      Thank You. I think everyone should know about what you have written, so I've Tweeted it.

      Cheers from DOWNUNDER

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      Catherine Mostly 2 years ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thank you very much. Cheers from Seattle! :)

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      iggywood1 24 months ago from Central New York

      I bought an iComfort mattress last summer. I spent a lot of $, thinking that this 'investment' would last for a very long time. I've got fibromyalgia and psoriatic arthritis, and a few other health issues. Little by little, I've had more pain in my body than ever before. I had no idea it was the mattress until we went away with the kids to a waterpark - and when I woke up in the morning, I wasn't limping or experiencing any hip pain. Honestly, I feel like I'm at least 85 years old with this mattress. I got a stiff neck last week, and although it loosens and feels better by nighttime, in the morning, again, it's worse. I feel like my body has no healing capabilities while I use this mattress! My 'tender points' from fibromyalgia are SO painful. Time to research what bed would be best for me. I'm just so upset I wasted thousands of dollars. :(

      Thank you for this article, I only wish I would have read it before my purchase. It's nice to know I'm not imagining things!

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      23 months ago

      I recently bought a tempur cloud prima about 4 weeks ago. I had good nights of sleep with my old ikea mattress which had spring and memory foam on top, and wanted to change to the well known tempurpedic. My wife is a side sleeper and she has no problems with the new mattress. For me, however, its causing me lower back problems from day one. It really does feel like I sink in and there is not enough support on my lumbar area. I also dont like the heating of the material. I decided to do some research on this topic and found your article. Reading thoroughly through I am very thankful that I found this article while I can change to a different mattress. I wanted a better sleep but TP really isnt for me. I will probably switch back to the spring + memory foam top "hybrid" mattress. Again, thanks.

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      LH 23 months ago

      Great article. Wish I'd read it before we bought the king-sized memory foam mattress, but c'est la vie. Plus, my spouse loves it, so at least one of us is happy. Unfortunately, I've been increasingly miserable with lower back pain, sciatica and sleeplessness. I've gone on weeklong out-of-town trips, slept on conventional, firmer mattresses, and felt great. Since we have a really big master bedroom, I'm seriously considering buying a twin traditional mattress set for me to use at night (and make into a Hollywood bed during the day). Crazy stuff, but I'm getting a bit desperate.

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      Catherine Mostly 23 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Such a familiar story, I'm so sorry... Those mattresses are so expensive and the spouse who loves them often has a really hard time giving them up. I have seen people get two XL twin beds (one memory foam and the other conventional); then adjust the bases to the same height and put them side by side. There is the crack running down the middle to deal with. You can put a topper over both mattresses to help them 'feel like one'. But yeah, fun to fix. Definitely change where you sleep or things will probably continue to get worse for your body. Good luck!! :)

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      Bourne-1 22 months ago

      Hello

      Mi have to say that reading all the above.

      I now know eighteen...repeat eighteen people who realised memory foam has had a negative impact on their health.

      Very soon an american report will be made public that backs this up..scientifically.

      However...it does not take a scientist to work out what hurts us or makes us sleep better when it comes to the mattress....trial and error do this...elimination.basic basic human knowledge.

      Memory foam like the microwave which destroys all nutrients like cows milk full of bad protein...food for cancer...one day will be as clear as day.

      Big industry try to protect it...you can tell some people fear it will impact their livelyhoods...hence asking for facts.

      Great article...

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      Anthony 22 months ago

      Have you ever heard of the cover on the foam mattress shifting. i have noticed this recently. This is i have noticed the mattress has become extremely soft. I am at the point i hate rhe thing

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      Catherine Mostly 22 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, covers and all kinds of things can start shifting on any kind of bed, eventually. How old is the bed? If it is still within warranty - a cover detaching/shifting might be a reason for a mattress company to replace it.

      That would also solve the 'too soft' problem at the same time . Honestly, I wouldn't even mention that aspect of things. A shifting cover should be enough. If you mention that it is becoming too soft; you might be talking to a defensive sales person who will suddenly start to hesitate.

      If it is a newer mattress and it is losing shape - I would question the quality of the mattress to begin with (and again, definitely talk to whomever you bought it from about the warranty, if you have one.)

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      Debra Hargrove 21 months ago from North Carolina

      I did not know that memory foam mattress may not be good to sleep on. I have been shopping for a foam mattress and was holding out for the right price. Now I am going to have to do some more research after reading you hub.

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      Jessica 20 months ago

      Thanks for sharing this Catherine!

      I certainly learnt a lot and agree with you that people need to be wary of picking a memory foam mattress if they have back pains. I'm a side sleeper, and while memory foam mattresses do a fairly good job, my top pick is still going to be a "hybrid" mattress like Turf and Needle. I have had good experiences with that mattress!

      I actually run a website at http://www.sidesleepersparadise.com and would love to connect with you!

      Cheers,

      Jessica

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      Scott 20 months ago

      I got one of these memory foam mattresses last year. At first it was nice, because we were sleeping on an air mattress. I've grown to hate it over the last year. My chief complaint about it is the pain that it causes me. I'm a side sleeper and the pain in my hips and shoulders is hard to deal with. I have a little 1" foam topper on it, and that hasn't done a thing to help. I'd really like to just get rid of it, but it's not anywhere near the end of its useful life. I'm now looking at latex toppers to try and mitigate the pain issue. One thing that we do like about it is that we cannot feel each other move at all. I guess with latex, that will become more of an issue. These latex toppers are so expensive. I really hope that it is a solution, and doesn't make things worse.

      All of these comments about how the author of the article must be manipulating the comments is just hilarious. That seems to be the go-to, knee-jerk reaction some people take when they don't agree with what someone says. So much paranoia on the internet. I appreciate this article. It backs up my experience with my mattress. As for this not being a "scientific " article, who cares? I'd rather have someone give me information based on practical experience, rather than telling me that my experiences must be wrong because some scientific article disagrees.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thank you, Scott. A Latex Topper might help - it does help many people. However, it really is a gamble; and as you said, they are expensive if it doesn't work out. There are some mattress stores that will let you 'borrow' their various toppers to try them out before you buy them. If you are in pain, a thicker topper is probably better. I hope you're sleeping better, soon.

      Also, Latex is not as motion-reducing as Memory Foam; but it is much better than an innerspring mattress. On top of MF, it might be just fine for you.

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      Kristen Howe 20 months ago from Northeast Ohio

      This was an interesting hub. I almost got a memory foam mattress last year, but got a bed at IKEA instead. I got a memory foam pillow, which worked wonders for me and my back pain.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Great posts and I'm definitely posting my own. I bought at Christeli memory foam mattress this past April. At the time I was going to the chiropractor due to a sharp pain that developed while working and it was bothering me for 3 months at that time, since the beginning of this year. Chiropractor visits started making my back feel better and he also recommended me to buy a serta memory foam, or a good memory foam mattress. Got home sarted checking reviewe and so lots of complaints on serta so after searching I found Christeli mattresses to be full of good reviews and the only one with lifetime warranty on their handmade memory foam mattresses, so I purchased one. Everything seemed fine, mattress is like quick sand and sometimes I wonder if that is the way this things are supposed to work. Never smelled any odors from it. After having it for six months and attending the chiro religiously every week for an adjustment, around the month of August I started feeling this upper back discomfort around my shoulder blades and the upper spine and neck that bothers me since I wake up and fades little by little throughout the day. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes the discomfort goes higher on my neck and sometimes my throat with reflux. I started wondering if perhaps the mattress had anything to do with this but my wife keeps telling me the mattress looks brand new and in good shape. My chiro says the mattress is fine and not the problem since memory foam is good for back issues, and since my treatment is paid, I have noticed that there's a tendency to just adjust me and get me out the door quickly without any real and notable interest in my pains, other than just acknowledgement and blaming it in my type of work. I'm a mechanic by the way. So just looking to note down my experience with memory foam and without pointing any fingers because I have no idea it it is the mattress or not, look for remedies and solutions since I lost faith in the chiro.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      That is very interesting and concerning at the same time... If chiropractors and other health practitioners are ruling out the Memory Foam mattress that they have recommended - to NOT be contributing to health problems because the patient has supposedly 'corrected' the situation by buying the 'recommended' bed - it can be ruled out as contributing to anything', right? VERY SCARY!

      Thanks so much for adding this experience, Hernan. I would definitely try sleeping on something else for a few days in a row just to see if you feel any improvements. Whatever is going on, the bed might not be helping as much as your chiropractor thought it would; and in fact, it COULD be making things worse. Better find that out, now. Good luck. :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      No need to thank me. I'm stuck in this situation and have to deal with this discomfort and pain daily until I figure this out.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      I decided to contact Christeli for the lifetime warranty. Which mattress would you recommend me? The typical firm brick mattress?

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      No, a firm brick mattress is not good despite all the hype. Your body is not a board, it has curves. The ideal mattress is one that BOTH supports your spine/body WHILE relieving pressure points like shoulders/hips, etc. The only type of mattress that I could confidently recommend without going with you to try a bunch of them out - is a solid core Talalay Latex mattress. They are expensive, too - but actually DO support any body (generally-speaking) correctly.

      Here is my article on how to buy a good Latex mattress and how to spot a good one from a bad one: https://hubpages.com/living/Warnings-Wisdom-on-Buy...

      This is my best advice, however - you need to test them out. Here is how to do that so that you can find the best mattress for your body & sleep type: https://hubpages.com/living/Part-2-How-to-Test-a-N...

      And while I'm at it... This is my original article about purchasing a new mattress that started all of these other articles. It is a good introduction to just about everything surrounding mattresses: https://hubpages.com/living/Advice-from-a-Mattress...

      Good luck to you all; and you are welcome to keep the questions coming. I will do my best to get you a good, honest & valid answer. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Also, for those of you who may be interested in innerspring mattresses - because a Memory Foam hybrid can be another good alternative (aside from adding a topper to a 'regular' innerspring mattress) for people who really want to sleep on memory foam; but a typical mf mattress does not work for their body/sleep type. I've had some good experiences with individual pocketed coils with latex and/or memory foam in the layers. However, be careful of those comfort layers that are notorious for forming dips. I'll tell you how to minimize them, here:

      https://hubpages.com/living/What-Different-Types-o...

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      To be honest I don't really wish to spend in any expensive mattress anymore. I guess a good firm mattress combined with a good topping should be fine. Situations like this make you realize how everything moves around demand and not exactly the benefit of the individual. I'm talking about the marketing practices for the most part and also most health practitioners such chiros who for the most part you would trust completely in any diagnosis or recommendation they give us. I guess it's each for their own.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Another typical response... It really does make you lose heart when trying to find a good bed after being sure that this was a good one. Doctors make these recommendations because of marketing, too. They don't expect anything to be wrong with it (and there probably isn't - technically speaking).

      Ask your chiro if he sleeps on memory foam. Most of them don't yet - but are planning to get one next time they buy a bed. Most of them don't try it themselves until they need a new bed - that is when they usually change their minds. And many of them DO change their minds... to Latex. That is becoming the most recommended bed by doctors - but it hasn't quite reached Memory Foams popularity, yet. ;)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Let's see what answer I get from Christeli on their lifetime warranty and if I end up a satisfied customer with a return.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Here's the answer. "Looks like a softening of the memory foam issue. Flip it around head to toes and it will take care of it. Any indentations on the mattress qualify as a warranty claim. Your sleep should improve after this." Yeah right in other words damage to my back is less important than mattress indentation. Anyways I will look for a good spring mattress and get a foam topper perhaps. I will start sleeping on the floor until I find a good mattress to replace this one. Pain is unbearable for the first 4 hours after waking up.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      I looked at the latex matresses and too expensive. No way I will pay over $5000 for a matress. I need to find a good innerspring matress and something not expensive and that will help my back. What a frustration it is to find something good and affordable that actually works. Everything is ridiculously expensive.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      It really is... the 'cheapest' way to go in the near term is a good plush-but-not-soft innerspring with a topper on top that you can replace after it wears out every few years.

      Also, while Latex mattresses are expensive - you only have to buy them once or twice at the most in your lifetime (if you do it right the first time); and they already have decades over memory foam on having a reputation for being a comfortable bed that keeps your back aligned correctly - again, for decades. They have been around since WWII.

      You might also have good luck with a Latex Hybrid bed - try out individual pocketed coils. Many Memory Foam mattresses are well above $5K - I just assumed that you had paid about that much, too. Sorry. :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      No need to be sorry. Your posts gave me confidence that this mattress is actually harming instead of helping. I'm sitting down here on my fixed floor bed as I write, because I do not want to sleep on this mattress anymore and deal with increasing pain every day when I wake up. No I did not pay $5000 for this mattress, not even close...thank god. I was reading your articles on innerspring mattresses but it's too much info or maybe I am so frustrated with this situation that it stresses me out. Is there any brand you recommend, anything specific since my wife probably will not like the really firm surface too much and as much as I would like to say that is what I need to fix my back, it probably isn't the right choice for me. I would like to buy something that will start giving me an awesome sleep and no aches please no more aches, sleeping is a nightmare for me. Also a topper you would recommend, or perhaps thin out the suggestions from a lot to a few. Not looking to spend big either.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Especially if your wife likes a softer surface, I would definitely try out the individual pocketed coils. There is no specific name-brand that I would recommend; whatever the closest mattress stores are to you that also have a good sales reputation will have many options - and yeah, sorry - you do need to go try them.

      I don't think you realize that YOU might need a softer mattress, too - most people think they need a firmer one to 'keep their back straighter'. But, you are not a board; that is probably one of the reasons why you were in pain to begin with. It sounds like you work hard. Your body may have needed more cushion to recuperate aside from needing to be aligned correctly.

      You don't want a too-soft mattress; but you want one that will conform to your curves. The 'perfect' mattress is one that will allow 'pressure point relief' for the parts of your body that stick out - like shoulders & hips; and yet support your back so that it is casually/comfortably straight. You can tell that best when you lay on your side - how do you look from behind? You and your wife can help each other with that.

      I wrote an article about testing mattresses and left the link above - you might want to at least read that one.

      The thing you have to be careful of with pocket coils is that so many of them have thick pillowtops on top that will eventually form dips and valleys - and they need to be rotated at least 2x a year and are heavyish.

      There is no 'best bed' because every body and couple is unique. But, individual pocketed coils are usually a good suggestion for when you can't be there to help someone. A solid Latex mattress or even partial polyfoam/latex-on-top mattress would be a better 'more sure-fire' suggestion (and probably even less movement than pocket coils) - but you have to be careful with how salespeople sell those, too. A mattress isn't necessarily good just because it has latex in it. To really 'work right' latex layers within mattresses need to be at least 4 solid inches - and those are hard to find. 2-3" is the norm.

      One more thing... I'm am really (really!) not trying to talk you into spending a bunch of money on a bed. I get absolutely nothing out of you spending more money on one somewhere. However, IF you have the money and you're simply being stingy... How much did your computer/laptop/cell phone cost you and how often will you replace those things?

      You spend 1/3rd of your life sleeping... and you already know that if you're don't sleep well; you are in pain (and probably cranky too, am I right? ;)

      If the mattress that works best for your body to sleep well costs you a little more - for goodness sake, get it (even if you have to put it on layaway or make payments on it). Men can especially be really stingy when it comes to buying a new bed (unlike buying their new vehicles).

      So can women, but we have more curves to deal with so we usually don't have as much of an issue splurging a little on a bed. Do you have any idea what a pain it is to have to deal with BOOBS that stick out from your body, ha?! Give us girls a little more comfort, please... You like our curves most of the time; but when it comes to buying a good mattress for them (OR FOR YOU)...

      Nah, I have never given this mini-lecture to anyone before. ;)

      Trust me on this... If there is ever a time in your life that you should probably splurge - buying a new mattress is one them. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Also, about toppers... I recommend at least 4" because that is the minimum that most people need if they are on a relatively plush/firm mattress. 6" is even better if you are a side sleeper with broad shoulders.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Info greatly appreciated. Thank you so much. I slept on the floor last night and I feel sore but I would say 80% of the pain I was feeling daily after getting out of bed was gone the minute I got up from the floor. If not a higher percentage. I'm not stingy I just don't have that type of money to spend. I wish I did. The floor thing worked awesome last night just need to cushion my butt.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Good. At least you know that mattress has not been helping you. The floor is temporary - I hope you realize that. If you need to save money - watch places like Craigslist. So many people try to resell their newish mattresses because they didn't get the first choice quite right for whatever reason - like you. :)

      And these are often newer mattresses that the original owner still has the original paperwork that they can send along with you if you ever need it for a warranty exchange. You can still be picky and not necessarily take the first semi-used bed that you come across - but it is one way to get a good deal on a good bed.

      Don't go to a place that sells 'factory seconds' to save money. It would be better to get a 'cheaper' plush/firmish mattress at a regular mattress store and put a cheap topper on it...

      Those discount stores often (as in usually) carry mattresses that have already failed and have been replaced by the original manufacturer - and resold as a '2nd' with a temporary foam fix so that it will 'feel' good in the store.

      But later... many people have lost good money this way: sleeping on a great mattress for a few months only to have it fail for the same reason that it failed for the first person who had it.

      Good luck!! :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      For about 2 months maybe 3 was dealing with this major pain and since I was going to the chiro and he kept saying the mattress is fine it's not the mattress memory foam is good for your back, I was just blinded and going along with it. All this time wondering what the hell is going on and conversing with my wife about what could be causing this debating if she saw felt or noticed anything wrong with the mattress. One day I started doubting everything from the chiro to the mattress. I have already spent about $2000 in less than a year in regular weekly visits to this place. I found this great blog that in just a few lines makes you realize that you really know your topic and more importantly you are helping out so much. I think you have helped me way more than my chiro and he's the one charging; what an irony. Your orientation is invaluable and I'm really thankful for that. I will utilize your guide to aim for a mattress that fits me and my budget, and you can bet that my memory foam mattress is going on craigslist too. I should start a site about all these pains I have been having and how to beat them and also link to your site on the bedding issues.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm really glad it's been helping. It just comes from dealing with these recurring issues over the course of five years. It is amazing to me that there hasn't been any decent studies done on the topic since there are so many of these kinds of complaints.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      In case you have not noticed, a lot of things work like that in this country nowadays. Medical care included, it'll about the money not the benefit of the individual. Isn't it a red flag how the USA does not rank in the top of medical care worldwide? We have all the potential to be the best in everything, including customer and patient satisfaction, but it'll about the marketing nowadays. This is why everybody has to do their own digging and find out for themselves how things really work, in my case the hard way. But there's always people with purpose and good faith, that's why there are so many in the world, because half of us are not good for s***.

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Well every single mattress I tried out today has terrible reviews in the bob in a million complaints against Sealy and Simmons as well. What about this Casper mattress and those Saatva?

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      You are going to see all kinds of complaints about every bed and/or mattress brand you look up - absolutely every one without exception, big or small. People tend to say more when they are unhappy. If you had been happy with your mattress, you might not have even thought to go out of your way to leave a good review somewhere. Many of the 'good reviews' you read on those sites are written by marketing people - not all, but many.

      Find a store in your area that has a good reputation. It doesn't have to be the store that sells the most expensive beds or be the biggest. Some of those little stores are 'just right'.

      You're simply reading the wrong stuff and you can drive yourself crazy trying to sort it all out. You should be reading about the 'kind' of mattresses you want to look at so that you can tell your salesperson what you want.

      You can try to start from scratch with them - and maybe you will get lucky; and they will know what they are doing to help you find a good mattress. But, don't count on it... read the articles I wrote, then you will be prepared.

      Sorry, I know - I should have made videos instead. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Also, I did a review on Saatva mattresses above (I know, these comments are longer than the article). I don't think the toppers will hold up well; but they supposedly let you try them 'risk free'. That might make them a good bed to try.

      I know that you might not want to go to the store because it is so much easier to walk out with something that you really didn't want to buy...

      When the saleperson asks what you are looking for, start with: "We are just looking today, we're not buying". Tell them why, whatever... I had MANY men specifically come into the store without their wives just so that they could not make a final decision; but could get a good handle on the kind of mattress they wanted. It is a good tactic, ha!

      It is the salesperson's job to make you feel comfortable and respect the boundaries you set in the beginning. If one mattress store doesn't treat you right, go to another one. Sometimes the salespeople are more the issue than the mattresses, ha!

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      I'm meticulous like that. Saatva was the only one with A in the BBB and all the others I have looked for don't inspire much confidence. The guy from Saatva told me they are a luxury innerspring mattress company. I guess L&L is their memory foam line which I want to stay away from. Anyways I could not find the article on Saatva you wrote. What about this Casper mattress? Any Latex mattresses on the economic side that you might know? Any sites to check out. Here in Miami everybody is a crook when you shop for furniture...it's hard work.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      LoL! Everyone is a crook everywhere - even the good stores. I worked in a relatively 'good' store and could not stand how utterly deceptive you have to be sometimes in order to bring those imperative sales in for a sales boss. They have goals to meet, you know!! There is a reason why I quit.

      I did not write an entire article about Saatva, it is within the comments here - someone else asked about them before you have. I have a problem with the individual pocketed coil toppers, but again - they supposedly have a risk free trial. Those kinds of toppers are notorious for getting tangled up.

      I just looked at the Casper mattress site... It also has a seemingly risk-free trial; and if you both like the feel of memory foam and want to 'kind of' stick with it - you might want to try it out. It doesn't cost much, it might be worth a trial as much as a Saatva.

      However, there is only 1.5" of ILD 13 dunlop latex on top. 1) Don't expect it to last very long or 2) be very supportive. ILD 13 is for pillows and it sounds like the memory foam underneath is firm. This is what they say about it...

      "Firmer than standard memory foam, the Casper’s supportive layer is engineered to conform to your body with minimal sinkage. Unlike springs, memory foam distributes your weight evenly, relieving pressure from the hip and shoulder areas and properly supporting the contours of your body."

      I firmly disagree with that last sentence of their spiel. How the heck does memory foam 'distribute your weight evenly'? LATEX does that... although I'm not sure the wording is quite right.

      Latex adjusts to the weight of your body (whatever that is) and 'pushes back up' against it - filling in the curvy places while allowing give for pressure points like shoulders. There is only 1.5" on not-firm-enough latex on that mattress.

      However, you could be our guinea pig, Hernan... Get it, try it, and let us know for sure, LoL!! :)

      Btw, stay tuned... I'm looking to see if I can find some good online places for you to look at. I'll add them when I find some that I like. :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Well I just don't want to be the guinea pig in the wheelchair due to sudden developing pains instead of finding great sleep and relief. I ask not to be a pain in the butt (I know I am), but because you know about the subject and me personally all I see is info about coils and things I don't know about; I get lost. What about the Ikea mattresses, I saw a few and they have latex and also latex innerspring products....how good? A mystery to me. I think I will buy a topper and tell my wife to start sleeping on the floor too, mattress shopping is a real pain. Everytime I read foam on a product I just scratch it because of the current experience with my memory foam mattress.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      You NEED foam (you have no idea how many people reach this conclusion after having a bad experience with MF), that is the comfort material - you do not want to sleep on the floor for long, that will be just as bad in the end. It is memory foam that you need to have LESS of (not necessarily 'none' of)... A mattress salesperson could help you find the right one. You bought one based on your doctor's recommendation and he was clueless...

      Yes, I know... that is where a good salesperson actually earns their commission. If they are a good one, they will inform you and tell you the truth about all this.

      I know it is hard to research something that you are not really interested in researching; or have developed information overload about. That is why I wrote these articles - so that people could 'just read them'. I used to hire myself out as an individual consultant; but no one wants to pay for this kind of expertise. Neat. ;)

      Having said all that... Here is an individual pocketed coil / latex hybrid that I liked; and it looks like they work with you to get the firmness right if it isn't right the first time: http://www.mattresses.net/ulhypoco.html

      I would recommend 3" of ILD 28 latex on top of those coils. You 'might' need to go down to 19, but probably not. Good Luck!!!

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      I saw the link and it looks neat. I got my wife freaking out because she says we already messed up buying that foam mattress online from Christeli and then if we buy a latex one now from this people we might end up on a similar boat. Don't know how to fight that back lol. I was looking at the all natural latex and also the hybrid. Which one is better for relief and best sleep? Is firm a better option in case of wear out or softening?

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Well I hope you explained what is wrong with memory foam and why it is different from latex or other foams. Both the innerspring hybrid and the solid foam with latex can be made with natural latex.

      If you want the most motionless sleep - go for the solid foam (you already know this). They have a version with less expensive polyfoam as the core, and then latex on top.

      Like I've said probably too many times for you to want to hear: IT IS BEST TO GO TRY THEM IN THE STORES. Whatever store you end up at should have mattresses like those.

      Also, this was my recommendation above since you won't go try them out: 3" of ILD 28 latex on top of those coils. You 'might' need to go down to 19...

      If you get the mattress wrong the next time because you refused to go to a store with your wife to find one that will actually work for you both; *I* would be mad at you later, too - just FYI. Mattress shopping is like stopping for directions when you need help navigating. My advice is to go do it right. :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Got it boss. Will do. I want to check that all latex see if I like it. The people from mattresses.net said the all latex king is $1700 and 9 inches high. I gotta try it.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm guessing you haven't read the latex articles... Try to get Talalay and not Dunlop. If you want to know why - read the article. :)

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      20 months ago from New York

      Never tried it but I probably will purchase a similar product. Good hub , I'm following you now. :)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      So I'm still deciding what to buy. I wrote a review on the bad quality of the foam mattress I was using, on their own site, and the next day while at lunch I received a call from Christeli due to the review I posted. I was told that if I donated the mattress by this Friday the latest and email them a donation receipt, they would refund me in full. Got confirmation in the morning since I emailed donation receipt last night.

      I was recommended a Charles P Rogers powercore mattress and wanted to see your opinion on their products.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I just looked at their site, here is a handy link for them if anyone wants to take a look: http://www.charlesprogers.com/mattresses-c-4.html

      They don't tell you much about their ramped-up, exclusive innerspring except to say this: "Other manufacturers use foam blocks or off-the-shelf spring units for base support. We know better."

      It is an individual pocket coil innerspring; and the innerspring itself is not something I can even find a picture of to see what's so different or special about them.

      FYI, it is NOT the innerspring that 'goes' first on a bed - it is the top comfort layers; which is why - ideally - you want talalay latex in thick enough layers within the comfort materials if you are looking for something that will last for a while. Regular polyfoams will break down to form dips and valleys. The innerspring in ANY medium-luxury quality bed is stronger than most people realize. If we could replace the foams on top when they break down, you would have a new bed.

      It also sounds like they use a mix of comfort materials including latex and memory foam, which is normal. This is what they have to say about how/why their beds are so special: "The right padding or foam used correctly on a great spring unit makes the finest mattress possible. The padding interacts with the unit in a way that accentuates the positive qualities of the material."

      Does this not sound like a really good marketing spiel? I mean, can they vague that up for us a bit more? WHAT do they supposedly do different than anyone else that makes their mattresses so special?

      As far as consumer reports go, they do not try every mattress on the market for those things. It is often done with a marketing push/deal with the magazine. Sure they give semi-valuable 'consumer feedback' that is tainted in the favor of whichever thing out of the ones they tried did the best. That DOESN'T necessarily make this the best bed on the market.

      Individual pocket coils with talalay latex is what I originally recommended to you; and it looks like you can get one through this company.

      But again, you are ordering a bed online that you have not tested. My original recommendation that you go out and find a real mattress store and try them out still stands. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Also, I've seen both good and bad customer reviews on these mattresses - as it is with any mattress. There is NO SUCH THING as a 'best bed' for everyone. I'm really sorry. Buying a bed is just one of those things that should not be done online from a distance.

      Your sleep (and money) are too important to both your health and your bank account. AFTER you go try out various mattresses in a store; and you think you can get a better deal online with a similar bed that you have seen - then you might be able to buy one online that way. But please do some personal mattress-testing research, first.

      However, as a former mattress sales person... IF you happened to run into a good one who was really helpful; and the mattress you end up picking out is reasonalby within your price range - buy it locally from them. At that point, they have earned their commission if they gave you a good sales experience and a good mattress option to buy; plus (often) the convenience of an exchange.

      Exchanges on a first mattress is not unusual. Let a good salesperson do their job until you are satisfied with a mattress.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      You know, if I had the money I would open up my own mattress store. It wouldn't need to be a large store - I would only put maybe a dozen mattresses down. That's all you need, really.

      I get the hestation to go into a 'specialized' place like that. So many salespeople do take advantage of unsuspecting consumers - which is why I wrote these articles.

      It is also why I recommend within them that you only buy from a place/salesperson who treats you right, talks to you right, doesn't make you feel uncomfortable, doesn't sound like a car salesperson, etc.

      If you don't like one mattress store, go to another one. Of course, you may not have many options in a smaller town. Good luck to Hernan and all of you. I sleep very well every night; and so do almost all of my former customers. (There is no such thing as 100% satisfaction, unfortunately - I'd give myself a 98%). I know what I'm talking about. ;)

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      And that is why I pointed out the company to you....I value your point of view. Every store I have visited does not carry latex mattresses. I was a bit surprised. To this point I liked a Serta Perfect Sleeper Capetown that I tried at RTG. Nothing else has really tickled me or made me feel comfy. I wish I could find latex to test.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      That is weird... it is a huge, hot seller. I'm guessing you don't have many mattress store choices in your area?

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      Hernan 20 months ago

      Rtg, city furniture, el dorado...those are the main ones but I thought rtg would have a latex item but they don't even carry it down here.

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      Catherine Mostly 20 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sometimes the smaller mom & pop stores do better with stuff like this. Look on the websites of the local smaller stores down there and see if anyone offers it. At least you might get to try it out. :)

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      I'm just going to order a king size air mattress. I'm tired of looking and not finding and on top of that every mattress has terrible reviews and the warranties too. Sales people not helping at all is another factor. I'll just sleep in an air mattress. I give up

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Okay, Hernan - good luck. Sorry about the sales people. I know we/they have a bad reputation for good reason. The way they are more interested in making money instead of helping people is a by-product of our beloved corporate environment. An air mattress is better than nothing. Your joints need at least a little 'give'.

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Thanks for your time and knowledge. Too much stuff around with different names and it gets overwhelming without proper assistance at the stores.

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Ok I finally found the latex mattress after digging up the internet and unwinding some stress. Macy's has a few Stearns & Fosters so I will go and at least get the feel of them since they are $4000 and up. On the other hand I found a guy here in Miami named Alex who runs this place called Miami Discount Mattress and he contacted me after I emailed him and I might go this weekend and try what he has to offer. He recommended me some mattresses from a company called International Bedding which happen to be double sided. I'm not sure if this is a good idea or if I will need a box spring with this but it doesn't sound too appealing to me. The product models are Corsicana bedding from IB and this guys site is www.miamidiscountmattress.com Also I had noticed the misinformation the sales people from RTG provide since one of them told me the mattress warranty is dealt with directly with the manufacturer of the mattress and then the same day at a different store another sales person tells me the warranty of the mattress is dealt with directly with RTG, and then I contact Serta by email and they respond me that the warranty is dealt with the furniture store (RTG) for the first year and after that it is handled by the manufacturer (SERTA) from the second year on, unless you pay for RTG extended warranty. They require me to save purchase proof and "law tags" for warranty issues. But then again this is just with Serta products, so the misinformation still remains for other brands. Basically RTG sales people don't even know what the hell they are selling and how warranty works. Scary.

      I have a foundation question. I have an IKEA king size platform bed which has come out to be pretty good. Now that I have an air mattress until I figure out this proper mattress dilemma, I notice the slats underneath the mattress itself. I have a metal beam the runs head to toes down the middle with angular supports. On top of this I have like a square wood frame and over this frame I have slats with about one inch gap in between each. These slats are kinda curved up and I wonder if it is better to replace these slats with 3/4 inch plywood board for support, or perhaps even put these boards over the slats. Just wondering about support and good foundation.

      I'm much more motivated to get this bedding dilemma solved properly from the foundation to the right mattress. Frankly, I also think the cracking of the spine when I go to the chiro is actually not helping me and more likely it is harming me.

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Finally found a latex. Great feeling. Is the ultimate dreams total latex mattress from dreamfoambedding a good option?

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yes, Talalay Latex is what you want; although I can't tell where it is sourced from - you probably want it to be from Latex International.

      They have different pricing levels so that almost anyone can financially obtain one. Here is a link to them so that it is handy; but this information applies to any latex mattress you come across: https://www.dreamfoambedding.com/cat/mattresses/la...

      1) Ultimate Dreams starting at $399 would be a good option if you are tight on cash, need a good night's sleep 'now', and don't care that it probably won't last as long. It comes with a 10 year warranty; but if you are a heavier person - expect the HD Polyfoam core to eventually form a dip where you sleep most often. Flip this mattress every season and rotate every other season to wear the polyfoam core evenly. It is possible to get 10 years out of it or longer, depending.

      2) Euro Top: Has the same amount of latex with a thicker core of polyfoam

      3) Aloe Alexis: 6" latex with a polyfoam core - more latex is better.

      4) Total Latex: both core and comfort layers are talalay latex. This is basically what I sleep on and if it is good latex; should last longer than the 10 year warranty they have on it.

      Get what you can afford. Latex doesn't need a fancy foundation; it just needs to breathe reasonably - just like a regular mattress - so that mold does not grow on the COVER. Some places make a really big deal about the foundation. Just make sure that it is a good, supportive one. It can go on a regular box foundation or even on the floor if you put a blanket underneath and flip it once in a while.

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Well I found this mattress actually on Wayfair or Overstock don't remember exactly. I went to the manufacturer brooklynbedding.com and asked if they had anything all latex and the person pointed me to their "sister" company dreamfoambedding.com My wife laid down on the latex mattress and she says it feels awesome but the one we tried was Stearns & Foster for about $3500 and only the topping was talalay latex, so I started looking online for something all latex and found this. I don't know if you were able to check for the types of latex on the topping and support section, but I did notice they have certifications. I just don't want to buy ten inches of toxic latex if this is the case. The trial period is 45 nights and you can return if not satisfied and also firmness is adjustable but there is a fee for that. At least they warn on that. They work on you on the support firmness of the latex. My wife and I are varied sleepers but she's more of a side sleeper and me back sleeper and when we tried the medium to firm in other mattresses it feels good. I just want to sleep really comfortable and deeply. Which thickness should we aim for when it comes to ILD, since I know you had told me about this previously. This mattress is about $1700 king size. One more thing, I have an Ikea king bed with metal beam support and all, and we have slats that go from each side to the middle where the beam is at. They do not go side to side completely. This slats are kinda curved up towards the sleeper and there is a 1.5 inch gap between them. I was wondering if I should just get 3/4 inch plywood boards that run from side to side for better support for the mattress. I'm about 200 lbs and my wife 170 lbs. Just trying to see if this is a viable latex option for us.

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I could not find anything about their latex from that site, but maybe I'm blind - does it say where it is from? Things can be certified by any company and doesn't it sound good? I think I saw that their polyfoam was certipur certified - which is good.

      If you haven't found a bunch of complaints about this mattress stinking with the smell never going away - it's probably good latex.

      I would recommend an ILD 32 core with an ILD 19 comfort layer. You could also go for an ILD 28 comfort layer; but those are often exchanged for being 'too hard'. In fact, we tried to push people toward 19 as often as we could because that seemed to be the more successful choice. Also, people who would exchange the ILD 19 because they initially thought it felt too soft; often requested to 'change back' after trying ILD 28. If you want the least-likely return hastles, start there. :)

      The 1.5" gap on your foundation isn't so much an issue (no wider than that) as the curved slats that do not go all the way to the edge. Then again, the mattress might fit perfect inside of it... You're probably going to want a foundation that goes to the edge, I don't know.

      Perhaps that is something you can get after you see how it works on your current foundation? A few nights on something like that won't hurt it, but long term might. Is the mattress going to be under warranty if you put it on a different foundation? Some places won't cover it if it is not on 'theirs'.

      I said what I said about some places ramping up the foundation above; because some of them are really expensive compared to their wholesale costs - it is a place to convince people to give them more money. But, if you need a new one and they will only cover a warranty on 'one of theirs' - sometimes you need to buy one from them.

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      I actually called dreamfoambedding and spoke to Chuck who was very helpful with the questions. He told me that they only get latex from Latex International in Connecticut since they are the only ones that manufacture latex in the US. They use blended latex on this ultimate all latex mattress but if I wanted dunlop it could be worked out. They have a 45 night trial period and if you decide to send back the mattress all they ask for is to box it really good and they will arrange a pickup and refund you in full minus $99. You can also swap top layers for comfort and everytime you exchange it extends your trial period another 45 days. As far as the foundation goes he says Ikea products usually work good and won't affect warranty but if I feel better getting plywood boarda underneath or a bunky board then it is just a preference issue. (888) 213-8967 if you feel like bombing the guy with questions and eventually find out this is actually a viable recommendation for people seeking much more affordable latex mattresses than the big boys in furniture offer. I forgot to ask about the warranty after the trial period. So far I'm somewhat satisfied with the answers and I have not found negative pointers on these people and the few issues I found were actually resolved by Chuck himself reaching out and working with the customer. So far dreamfoam bedding and Arizona premium mattresses are the companies that interest me and that I might be willing to make an investment with, when it comes to a latex mattress. They are both in Arizona by the way.

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      There are a few online companies that sell similar mattresses; but using the ones that are closest to you is a good idea. The blended Talatec Talalay Latex from LI that he is talking about is Okay. It's not entirely 'all natural'; but it is considered to be close enough from a manufacturing perspective. They do make natural rubber (NR) Talalay (that's what I sleep on); but it is more expensive so many mattress makers don't use it. Talatec is cheaper than all-natural. However, this may not be a very big deal to you. Both are okay to sleep on with relatively the same results. :)

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Those are the details someone like me will never know or might miss. They seem pretty similar when it comes to price but the Total Latex has 3 inches of latex on top layer and the Arizona Premium is 2 inches, when switched to 3 price goes up. The shipping process seems better with dreamfoam bedding since it's free and takes a week to seven days, while Arizona Premium takes around a month. I have noticed other options like flobeds and astrabeds and sleep ez but their prices go far beyond what I can afford. All these companies claim they use all natural etc etc so apparently everybody agreed to preach the same way. Hopefully all they bring is good quality and nothing toxic. That is in reality my true wish. I do not know any other online seller near Miami that carries this latex mattresses, so dreamfoambedding and arizona premium are what I can afford, unless you happen to recommend any other one to consider them before reaching a decision. My wife has mentioned me she is allergic to latex gloves, I have read it is the proteins used what causes the reaction and not the latex. Will this be an issue? Another thing is memory foam pillows...my wife's neck has been suffering pain for a while and it happens that I had given family members a couple of those pillows as random gifts and they had neck issues at some point. Is there any pillows you would recommend or any guidelines?

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Yeah, go with what you can afford. It looked to me like these mattresses all have 10 year warranties - keep the paperwork in case you need it for a warranty, later.

      LI's latex blend is considered to be an all-natural product; but some people do not like that Talatec is a blend of natural latex liquid and natural petroleum by-products. Also, some people are more sensitive to the smell than others. There isn't as much of a problem with that when you 're using natural rubber latex.

      Again, they are BOTH okay to sleep on and one is harder to find and more expensive than the other. But you don't need a bed to last forever. If it gives you a good 10 years of sleep (or close); you did a good job finding one.

      I cover all kinds of your latex questions in my articles, Hernan... I may actually go back and delete some of our conversation in here because it has turned into such a latex conversation. Let's go into the latex article if you want to talk more about it, okay? :)

      https://hubpages.com/living/Warnings-Wisdom-on-Buy...

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      Well I'm just trying to make up my mind and see what I buy. Astrabeds seems really neat but they only use Dunlop. Plushbeds uses only comfort talalay layer and the core is dunlop "because it is more supportive" said the agent, flobeds seems like they do all talalay I believe. So this is the dilemma. I would like to get something organic with no chemicals. Almost at the end of the tunnel with a bunch of exits.

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Again, Hernan... I have a latex article that explains all this stuff in detail. You want all Talalay if you are looking for the best latex bed. Dunlop is not more supportive - at all. You can read all about why that is in the article. :)

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      Hernan 19 months ago

      I have bad retentive. I read that article like 9 times already and I can't keep up with most of it. You mentioned you sleep in all natural talalay, which brand is your mattress if you don't mind me asking. At this point I have come to realize that most of this companies make every layer of different materials. And if you pay attention to their agents you're in for a ride of confusion since at the end they just want to sell.

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'll make it simple: If you want the best latex mattress that lasts for decades, you want NR (natural rubber) Talalay - a solid 6" ILD 32 core with at least 4" of ILD 19 of top of that for comfort. My mattress was made locally in Seattle. If you can't find a good latex mattress, look for a local manufacturer no matter how small. Yes, you can also get Taltec 'blended' Latex - both are good, it's just that one is better.

      Dunlop Latex is more dense (not 'supportive') because of the different way it is processed; which makes it more suseptible to a body impression forming in it just like polyfoam, over time. Dunlop is still BETTER than regular polyfoam; but it is just a way for manufacturers and/or consumers to save money. You should still get a good 5-10 years out of a dunlop mattress.

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      PLEASE no more latex questions in here, Hernan - take them into my latex article if you have more.

      https://hubpages.com/living/Warnings-Wisdom-on-Buy...

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      Fay 19 months ago from Cornwall, UK

      Great article, I have researched memory foam before but still learnt a few new things here. I love the toppers. I don't think the super thin ones give you enough "mush" and really deep ones do curve around you making you warm. But I love them. about 2-3 inches in depth is idea for me. They relieve the pain of my back.

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      Jenni 19 months ago

      I've had a natures sleep gel memory foam bed for 5 weeks and have developed low back pain as well as thoracic pain. Is this common?

      Is it really true it could be my bed?

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      Catherine Mostly 19 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      It is very possible... Try sleeping somewhere else for a few days to see if your sleep improves. :)

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      gcol 16 months ago

      Have had a tempur mattress for just over 18 months and am thinking about going back to a regular pocket spung mattress now. Pretty much had enough of sinking into a hollow and having to fling myself out of it in a morning. I'd also like to point out that its absolutely rubbish for fooling around in - yes, I do mean that. There's no bounce back!

      Both the wife and I are suffering with lower back pain, though to be fair I had mine prior.

      £1700 is a lot to pay for a mattress but I've had enough now. No more.

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      Debra Hargrove 16 months ago from North Carolina

      I tell you if you are sleeping on the wrong mattress you will know it when you get out of bed. I experienced sleeping on the wrong mattress and boy I know how important it is to make sure you have the right mattress. Your article talks about back, neck and spine concerns. It is not fun after hours of sleep waking up with pain. The right mattress will not cause pain after waking up.

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      Vicky 15 months ago

      Do you think a generic innerspring mattress placed underneath a 4 inch memory foam mattress would help? Or is it better to buy a topper?

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      Catherine Mostly 15 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      At 4 inches, it almost sounds like a topper instead of a mattress to begin with. It might work very well - assuming the innerspring is in supportive shape. It's worth a try. :)

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      Vicky 15 months ago

      Thanks for the reply! Μy bad, it's actually 5 inches of dense foam plus 2 inches of softer foam on top but still, I tried it last night and I woke up pain free after days of suffering. I will keep it for a while and report back =)

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      Barb 15 months ago

      I have a memory foam mattress that has Alzheimer's. There are two deep dips with a crest in the middle that do not bounce back. My mattress is about two years old and this has been a problem right along. There is no "memory" in this mattress. My first mattress 47 years ago lasted over 20 years until we though it became a little uncomfortable. Wish I still had it. So much expensive junk out there. Going shopping today but not sure what to buy. Spring mattress sounds good to me, if I can find one.

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      Maria 15 months ago

      Misfit Chick...I just wanted to commend you for how you've answered these people that are giving you such a hard time about writing an article based on your experience. I find it incredibly helpful as I am on this site because I'm in agony over a memory foam mattress. It's a posturepedic, one that my chiropractor DOES NOT recommend. I wake up sweating, my back and neck are killing me and it feels like I blew out a rib. I am not a heavy person, but clearly the memory foam is not for me. There, now if only the individuals who found that they WERE for them would read your article and move on! Thank you for confirming what I believed to be true. Thank you for your experience, your complete honesty, and especially for telling everyone to bite you :)

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      Catherine Mostly 15 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      LoL! Thank you, Maria. People don't have to take my word for it, anymore. Thanks for leaving the comment. :)

      And Barb... If your mattress is only two years old, isn't it still under warranty? If you got it at a 'lower-quality' place like Costco - many times they will take those returns back despite a warranty because 'the customer always comes first'.

      My advice on mattress shopping is to keep an open mind; and test them out to find which mattress will work best for your body and sleep type. Here is more info about that: https://hubpages.com/living/Part-2-How-to-Test-a-N...

      Good luck. :)

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      Kim 15 months ago

      Dear Misfit Chick,

      I found your article while searching for a remedy to help with my memory foam mattress pain issues. I wish i had seen your articles earlier. I am heavier, esp at my bottom. I purchased a memory foam mattress at a mattress store. Initially, during the exchange period, my lower back killed me when i woke up in the mornings. After talking over with the sales associate, the recommendation was to purchase the frame since my old mattress' frame was spring. That worked but then (and now) my upper back started to hurt and still hurts. In a discussion with my Physical Therapist, we discovered that my upper back was being curved due to my lower half weight; the PT told me that memory foams were no longer the best/recommended mattress, rather a mixture of coils and foam to ensure support. the down side is that i got this info after i could return the mattress. i was hoping that i could fix the issue, but based on your examples, this doesn't seem plausible, so l'll be in the market soon to buy a new one.

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      Catherine Mostly 15 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry to hear it, Kim. At least it sounds like your therapist is informed about memory foam. Too bad it was too late. Good luck on finding a new mattress. :)

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      Al 15 months ago

      We need commentry like this on any and every thing on the net. Thank you.

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      Catherine Mostly 15 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I totally agree and you're welcome. :)

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      Sharon 14 months ago

      We've had a Tempur mattress for several years now and my back has been steadily getting worse since having one. I am in constant pain with my back, I have a compressed disc, bony spurs etc. I am nowing getting shoulder pain as I tend to favour one side more than the other and am also getting knee and elbow pain and I'm only 44 years old.

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      Guided Abundance 13 months ago from Mobile, AL

      I've never liked foam mattresses. I like to be cooler and feel a more plush texture under my body like sleeping or lots of pillows.

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      Mallory 13 months ago

      We bought a new bed frame,box spring, and mattress( Serta perfect sleeper) box spring started making creaking noises.(box spring has been replaced)has seemed to maybe solved one problem- not completely sure.Their is still an issue with the mattress.Have severe lower back pain,shoulder and some neck pain with pain that radiates down the leg.It is torture going to bed every evening and waking up every morning in such pain. The pain has worsen since we bought this new set. It has been a night mare for us. Talked to the company we bought it from. Their response was Unbelievable(was told it might be a comfort issue)

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      Catherine Mostly 13 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      How long ago did you buy this set? Does it seem either too soft or too firm? Without more information, the description of your pain could be the result of either. Do you feel like you are falling into a hole when you get into it? Are you relatively height/weight proportionate or are you heavier in the middle or hips? Do you share this bed with someone? Did the squeaking stop after the boxspring was replaced? Is there still time to exchange it? I might be able to help a little better with these answers. :)

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      Linda Robinson 13 months ago from Cicero, New York

      Hello Catherine glad to be following you. Your hub on the mattresses is so detailed and filled with excellent and informative content. You covered so many concerns that a potential buyer would have. Nice meeting you. Look forward to reading many more of your wonderful hubs. Linda

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      David Firester 12 months ago from New Jersey

      Very helpful! Thank you!

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      SadSleeper 12 months ago

      Thanks for your article, expertise, and findings. I'm literally sitting in a chair right now because I can't get comfortable in my bed. Bought my foam mattress about 6 months ago. Got 2 pillows as well. Almost immediately my fiance and I noticed the pillows were killing our necks and stopped using them. I have some previous issues with my shoulder due to work but my shoulder and neck has been in so much extra pain the past couple of months. Like go the ER pain. I was planning to go tomorrow. But tonight my back is killing me. No matter what position I get in, its painful. I am literally almost in tears. It's 2am. I wish I had done some research before my purchase. I had an excellent firm, but soft mattress that I had for 10 years, that never gave me a problem. I sold it yesterday, as it was in excellent condition still. Now I'm regretful and standing next to my bed because I cannot lay down on this bullshit ass mattress. I think sitting in the bed is probably the most detrimental. The only thing that sinks is the heaviest part of your body, eaving everything else unbalanced and out of wack.

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      Catherine Mostly 12 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Too bad you just sold your other mattress - it would have been a good alternative sleep spot for you. So sorry you're in pain. If you can help it, don't go back on it for a while; and good luck fixing your sleep situation.

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      SadSleeper 12 months ago

      Right, I would have sold the foam one, had I realized it was the problem. I was wondering about it, but when I read your article and the comments, it all added up. Especially one commenter who wrote about their extreme neck and shoulder issues, and being a side sleeper. I'm going to try to contact the place I bought it from and threaten to sue due to injury. Lol. Ill be nice first. But seriously, I hope they work with me. Thanks again!

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      Catherine Mostly 12 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I don't think suing for injury will work since the mattress does work just fine for many people. Good luck. :)

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      Meliss 12 months ago

      I am so disgusted with Tempurpepic ... We bought a tempur-crapic 2 years ago and after 4 months started hating it . We wanted to return it before the 90 day trial was up and they told us it wasn't broken in yet give it more time . Wish I never believed that lie !!! Three months ago we started trying to get the company to do something about this hunk of junk that we paid 3,000.00 for . They replaced it with the same model and I hate it more than the first one . My husband is 230 lbs and was complaining about his arms going numb at night waking him up and getting up in the morning with back pain we are in our early 40's . More and more the pain is getting worse and I also wake every day with terrible pain in my back . I wish we researched more before buying this terrible bed . The company has a lot of bad reviews . I wish we never bought this bed . Now we are in the market again for another bed which I am furious about . This bed should have lasted at least 7 years or so . We are side sleepers and have been to 15 different stores looking at beds this weekend . They don't make beds like they did even 15 years ago . I had a symbol mattress for 14 years it was the best bed I ever owned wish I could find another one . I don't know what we will do at this point but we need a new bed and this tempur has to go . Good luck to everyone else out there in this situation. And thank you for writing this information . Don't believe the hype about Tempurpedic it's garbage ... What a waste of money !! I guess all you can say is live and learn

      Never again tempur crapic !!!

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      Glenn Stok 12 months ago from Long Island, NY

      You've explained a lot about memory foam mattresses and the detail you gave is extremely useful for anyone planning to buy one.

      It's true that many people trust the opinion of friends. But as you said, it all depends on the individual and how they sleep.

      Your opinion is the most trusted since you actually sell these in your store. I applaud you for your honesty.

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      Kristi Cobb 12 months ago from Prosper, TX

      We bought a tempurPedic a few months ago. What would be the best type of topper to buy to help eliminate or reduce the "pudding/quicksand" feel of the tempurPedic? My husband has mobility issues from a spinal cord injury and while the Matress is comfortable once he's in bed, getting out of bed is a big problem for him due to the tempurPedic feel.

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      Catherine Mostly 12 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Something 'springy' will help - as thick of a piece of latex the mattress can handle; or sometimes you can find toppers with individual pocket coils. Either will be pricey - regular polyfoam will help a little, although you will probably have to replace it more often. However, they are cheaper than latex or pocket coils.

      It also depends on how heavy your husband is... Sometimes a topper is not enough to fix a structural issue like that for a heavier person. Another 'fix' sometimes - is to get an adjustable base so that you can tilt the mattress a bit, but that is a pricey, non-guaranteed option. Sometimes you need to replace the bed, entirely.

      I've seen couples come in to either - 1) get another 'regular' bed then add a memory foam topper because they both liked the feel, originally; or 2) get two Twin XL beds that they can put side to side. One wants memory foam while the other can't sleep on it. There are ways to adjust heights to be the same; and reduce the 'ridge' between the two beds.

      Good luck! :)

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      Kristi Cobb 12 months ago from Prosper, TX

      Our bed is an adjustable split King and we just bought it a couple of months ago. The only issue my husband is having is the sinking from the quicksand feel when he's trying to get out of the bed....other than that the tempurPedic has worked well for him. I was thinking that perhaps a down or down alternative topper would give him a bit more "grip" or "moveability" when getting out of bed and being able to shift a little more during the night. So many toppers on the market these days are foam of one variety or another. Will all types of foam toppers give that "sink in" feel? I have a friend with a memory foam topper on her bed and you don't get that pudding or quicksand feeling problem at all. Thanks for the suggestions!!

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      Catherine Mostly 12 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      If your friend has a memory foam topper on a regular innerspring mattress - then it makes sense that it does not feel like wet sand. That is one of the 'fixes' for a memory foam mattress, a regular bed with a memory foam topper (one of my suggestions above). It is a way to keep the memory foam 'feel' if you really like it - without having to actually give it up if an entire mattress doesn't work for you.

      If you've got a split King base - your options for fixes are:

      1) Get a more springy topper. Any other foam aside from memory foam will help (if you can find a mattress store to try toppers out, that is ideal) - latex works the best, because it also 'pushes up against' your body and almost helps push you out.

      I don't think a down comforter (or wool) would work as well (although it might be enough) - or any kind of 'solid' topper, aside from adding a barrier. They almost constantly need to be 'fluffed up'; and can feel as hard as memory foam when they are not.

      2) Replace his mattress with either a solid latex mattress OR an individual pocket coil mattress and put a memory foam topper on it (sometimes, either type of mattress can already have memory foam in it). Individual pocket coils are one coiled mattress that will work on adjustable bases. They used to be the only kind, I would imagine they still are.

      This might be a little tricky, just take good measurments - you can 'get things close' in height. Hope this helps. :)

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      Shirley Urso-Farmer 11 months ago from Michigan

      I bought a popular brand-name memory foam mattress (not Tempurpedic.) Within a couple of months it was sagging like a hammock hung between supports that were only four feet apart. It was unusable after six months. Never again...

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      Catherine Mostly 11 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Wow, four feet apart is quite a ways for supports - they should be no more than 4-8" apart. If that was the original base that came with it - I would complain. Unfortunately, not all support systems are created equal.

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      Jacko 11 months ago

      How to install a memory foam mattress: Immediately after receiving it throw it in a dumpster or throw it on a bonfire.

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      Cedric Yong 11 months ago from Singapore

      This is good information to know! Thanks for sharing. Was recently thinking of splurging on one.

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      Eva 11 months ago

      Catherine! Great article and I wish I read before! After trying 578876 beds we bought a Keetsa Tea Leaf Dream from their showroom. It's a hybrid of regular coil with memory foam. It was a floor model so we can't return (baaaaaaad idea).

      It's not considered a firm bed, it's actually quite plush on top. But my husband is a side sleeper and is having the shoulder pain thing.

      Do you think a topper may help? Seems weird since the bed is already so soft and sinks quite a bit when you lay on it! How thick a topper if the bed is plush to begin with? Latex or mini coil topper? Any suggestions will be appreciated! Thanks!!

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      Catherine Mostly 11 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Depending on how broad his shoulders are - he could need either more room to sink for that shoulder; or he may simply need to 'move around' more when he sleeps.

      A topper might help - either latex or mini coil could work since they have some 'spring' in them. However, if the mattress is already a little soft - a topper might also create less support where needed in the middle if it is too thick.

      Look at how 'straight' his back looks from behind while he is laying on the mattress on his side... Is his body already 'swaying'? If not - give a topper a try. If it is... maybe try a thin topper, to start - doesn't have to be latex or coils. Maybe he just needs 'a tish more' cush on top of the memory foam. :)

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      Hersheykiss47 11 months ago

      I bought a memory foam mattress about a month ago. It has eliminated a lot of my hip pain, hand numbness and constant tossing/turning, but I have chronic upper back (muscle) and neck pain ever since. I just bought a slim sleeper pillow and that is helping the neck. In fact when I wake up, my neck feels the best and then goes downhill through the day. I am struggling to get rid of the upper back knots and hope there is a perfect pillow somewhere for me because I really love the feel of this mattress. I sleep on my right side and I have an issue with my left arm, as in I don't know what to do with it and believe that is the culprit. On a firm mattress, it kind of just goes into position, but this one makes me my arm go too far forward into the mattress. So....I am trying a small body pillow to rest my left arm on. Such work to try to go to sleep!

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      Catherine Mostly 11 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I know, whatever it takes, right? A body pillow might help. Also, pay attention to your head and the position it is in when you go to sleep - is it 'bending' toward the mattress or do things feel relatively aligned all the way down through your hips?

      Do things still feel aligned the same way when you wake up? Is your pillow memory foam, too? Sometimes a 'regular' pillow works better.

      If you're feeling supported correctly on the mattress and things are still uncomfortable for you throughout the day - 1) try sleeping on something else for a few nights in a row to make sure that it is the mattress since you seem to wake up feeling good; and 2) if it is the mattress, it may be that you need to 'move around' on it more during the night. Sometimes people get a little too cozy in them and don't move around as much. The joints & muscles of your body like to move a bit.

      Good luck! :)

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      Dr Gator 9 months ago

      Great article, a good read. You are expressing your opinion based on what you've seen while working in the industry, don't know why some ppl just don't get it.

      Anyway, I just bought full latex mattresses for the wife and I a week ago. So much for the kids inheritance! I've had memory foam topper on a firm sprung mattress, worked well for me, but wife didn't like it. So got rid of the wife. Just kidding. So, latex was the compromise. But for me, I find it quite firm, too firm. Tried it for a week to "work myself into it", but keep waking up with a sore back. So tonight I've put the old memory foam topper on it to see if it "softens" it up. Will keep ya posted. Question - based on your opinion, what else should I try? I was thinking of a wool topper, you have an opinion on those?

      Thanks.

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      Catherine Mostly 9 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Is it still possible to exchange your current latex mattress for a softer one? Many people make the 'noob' mistake of buying latex too firm; but latex doesn't need to be 'firm' to also be supportive - even if you are putting a topper on, sometimes - because a shoulder is often still digging a bit into the harder surface, beneath. Any topper that you find comfortable will work. You often have to 'fluff up' a wool topper, but many people like them.

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      MamaDeb 8 months ago

      We have had our TempurPedic Cloud for about 6 years. About a year ago my husband stated complaining about his shoulder and we figured that it was due to his job. Recently I would wake up with my left shoulder being very painful so I started sleeping on my right side. Well, now my right shoulder hurts as well. I also have started noticing that my hip bone areas are very sore when I wake up.

      After Googling shoulder and hip pain I came across many articles that have me rethinking about my mattress.

      I will try a topper and hope for the best.

      Does TempurPedic ever do returns? I remember that there was a guarantee.

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      Catherine Mostly 8 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry, I don't think TempurPedic does returns, especially after six years. Good luck. :)

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      Helen 8 months ago

      This is a real post. We spent over $5,000 for our king size mattress. My husband loves it and I loathe it!!! If you like sleeping on overheated marshmallows in quicksand and are celibate, then this is the mattress for you.

      My back slowly started aching after a few months, and I discussed my suspicions with him about the mattress- it must be a guy thing to deny everything your wife suspects, even when she is right. NOT just anecdotal evidence. The smoking industry said the same thing for decades- Where is the proof, right? Now we know more, and have evidence. "My proof/personal opinion" (not evidence) is that every time I go away for more than a week or two and sleep on other beds, my backpain subsides. I was away all summer sleeping in all sorts of crappy beds, with relatives and not in posh hotels... and was amazed that my backpain was eliminated...Unfortunately, upon my return (and my guard up about the bed )after about a couple of weeks, the backpain had crept in again. I have slept on the couch and sometimes on my daughter's bed for a month and have milder lower back issues. Now I see this webpage and think there is a lot more to the story!!!BTW, we know how bad non-stick T-Fal is , but it was originally promoted as the perfect product and is still on the market, VW is just recently admitting to their product failures. Just saying...

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      Bill 8 months ago

      My wife and I bought a tempura cloud about eight months ago and I have recently started to suffer really painful hips and back which is keeping me awake for most of the night.

      I actually resorted to making up the spare room bed settee around 3 AM this morning as I was becoming more and more irritated and obviously tired.

      I got up this morning determined to get some truths around these mattresses and happened upon this site. I am so unsurprised to see all the comments on here and feel somewhat relieved it is not just me.

      Looks like I will have to cut my loses and have the blasted thing replaced with a good old fashioned sprung mattress.

      Thans Missfit for raising this issue and bringing some unbiased views to the table.

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      Catherine Mostly 8 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      It always helps to find out you're not crazy, ha! Good luck. :)

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      Wendy 7 months ago

      KRYPTONITE for me!! I had to google this, this bed should be illegal. Staying at a hotel with these seemingly plush mattresses. Tired from a traveling day I happily fell into this bed and quickly fell asleep.I knew the first night the mattress was the culprit, I could not even roll over and get the alarm, in so much pain. My rib age hurt whenever I moved. Definitely a hazard if I would have needed to get out of the room quickly. Took about 15 minutes of working to get out of bed. I toured the city we were in all day still hobbled up. Day 2 I was just tired and went to bed, same results. Angry with myself the next morning for doing it again, and very irritable with my family. I went to bed dreading the sleep experience. I usually fall asleep quickly and sleep about 4 hours and roll over and sleep another 3-4. I am in so much pain trying to just roll over. Breathing, ribs, shoulders, hips. It is like my bones are brittle going to just shatter. I have never felt anything like this before. I am wondering if this is what severe arthritis feels like? I am 48, 5'6" and 150lbs. I would normally say I am in excellent health. I camp frequently and can sleep on the ground w/o padding and do pretty well. This is ridiculous. My husband does not like the beds, but has not complained like I have. I will be sleeping on the little love seat tonight and if it is too cramped then I'll be on top of the cushions on the floor...never again. While it would be unfair to say these beds have ruined our trip, they certainly have impacted it, as we can't seem to get moving in the morning. If the hotel asks on departure, I will tell them we had a poor experience with the beds. What surprised me was so many posts indicated these people had a long term decline in sleeping and finally came to a conclusion it was the bed. Mine was less than 4 hours and I was immobile each time. A mini torture chamber...

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      Catherine Mostly 7 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I'm so sorry that it has made your vacation less fun, what a bummer! It really is kind of a toss-up. The people who sleep well on these mattresses certainly don't want to give them up. I've said this before and I'll say it again: someone needs to do a decent study to find out what is actually going on with these mattresses and how/why people respond to them the way they do.

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      AC 7 months ago

      I started out with a memory foam pillow and thought it was the best, most comfortable thing ever, until 6 months or so later when I started getting unbelievable neck pains. I believed the foam compacted after a time and was now too hard and stiff, so I returned to a regular pillow and everything was fine. Then I bought memory foam mattress toppers for a little luxury. I splurged on a 3" and loved it right away. I have back problems, and it just molded to my body perfectly. I did notice sleeping hotter, and lots of ribcage pains, and it WAS hard and a little painful waking up and rolling out of bed every morning even though I slept great. Eventually, rolling out of bed got easier, even though ribcage pains persisted, and probably actually got worse for a while. After 3 years on this topper, all of a sudden I'm waking up with incredible searing pain in my neck and shoulders, if I can even fall asleep at all. Again, I figure the foam has compacted and is causing problems. Last night was the worst yet, so I moved to the other side of my mattress (which no one sleeps on) and slept with absolutely no problems. I'd say this gives a little validity to the fact that it's not necessarily that "memory foam isn't for everyone". It's that there is actually some sort of breakdown in the material happening over a period of time or usage that makes this product's longevity extremely questionable. Because of how quickly I've found this product to break down, the prices are way too high.

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      Catherine Mostly 7 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      That can certainly happen. I don't know what brand of topper you have, but the more reputable brands of memory foam (such as Tempur-pedic) are supposed to hold up well. I know that 'cheap' memory foam toppers often have more problems with things like profound offgassing and breaking down, faster. But yeah, a topper should probably be 'flipped' every once in a while to even out wear.

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      brdwyguy 7 months ago

      we purchased a TempurCloud Allura (with a pillow top) and spent $4800 - it is now sitting in our spare bedroom. I have degerative disks and thought 'oh good, i'm purchasing a good supporting, firm mattress, with a pillow top" Well was extremely difficult to turn over at night - so i either 'threw' myself over into another position or i stayed in one position all night long - this flaired up my sciatic nerve pain and it basically got to the point that I i had to move our old mattress back into the room. Memory Foam is NOT, I repeat, NOT the answer for people with back problems. AVOID AVOID. I recently have purchased a top of the line Beautyrest Black Hybrid - which is a innerspring with some memory foam --- this seems to be working much much better and if far more comfortable.

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      Cheryl 7 months ago

      Wow. I have been in horrible pain (back, neck and both shoulders) ever since by husband and I got married and I moved into his place. We sleep on his Tempur-pedic mattress that he swears by. We travel a lot for work and when I'm not home on that mattress my symptoms start to clear up. He wasn't buying into it being the mattress. So happy I found this site and your comments. I'm a tall fit person that works out and usually feels great! But omg lately it's getting so bad. We will def be changing our mattress. Thanks for the article and thanks to everyone commenting their experiences.

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      Lena 6 months ago

      Just agreeing with Dave. This article has no scientific backing. I love my memory foam mattress and it has helped me through so much back pain. It amazes me how snippy you have gotten with commentors. This article caught my eye because of the fact that I swear by memory foam. I'm sure you won't publish this comment, and thats okay. You just need to know some of your comments and replies were extremely unprofessional.

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      Catherine Mostly 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thanks for the lecture from the perspective of someone who obviously knows-it-all. I'm sorry, was that inappropriate? ;)

      Again, not ONE time have I said (perhaps you didn't actually read the article - that happens) that a memory foam mattress is 'bad' for everyone; and in fact, have flat-out said that people like you who LOVE their memory foam mattress, exist.

      This article is for everyone else - and really? You felt it was your place to 'set me straight' about my attitude? I'll chalk it up to you probably having a bad day - and deciding that I seemed like an easy target for you to vent at. Hope you feel better, now. Sleep tight. :)

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      Allen C 6 months ago

      Thanks for this informative article. I have had an extra firm tempurpedic for 2 years and have my back pains have gotten worse. I get better sleep on my yoga mat on the floor. I'm finally having the sense to try something different.

      @misfit chick: If I want something more firm, do you think it works to add a Japanese futon mattress on top of the memory foam? (The reason I'm looking to keep the memory foam is for my husband who loves the memory foam)

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      Catherine Mostly 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Well, I'm not so sure that your husband would be able to feel the memory foam underneath the futon mattress. You could try it, I would imagine that it would have to be pretty thin. However, you might sleep better with it on your side (which would make you 'uneven' - but people have been known to do this as a fix).

      People who sleep well on memory foam often have a hard time giving it up. Is your husband willing to do some experimenting?

      Most couples end up with 1) an entirely different bed that they can both sleep on; 2) a topper that works for one or both of you; 3) just deal with the bed and continue to use it 'as is'; or 4) end up with two different XL Twin beds side by side (the least favorite option, I think).

      I wish I had a better answer for you, sorry. Good luck. :)

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      Allen C 6 months ago

      Thanks so much for your detail thoughts Misfit Chick. You rock! You're a mattress Superchick. :)

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      Catherine Mostly 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Thank you. I think, LoL!

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      Experimentation 6 months ago

      We are about to have a little test...

      I have been a big fan of memory foam, in theory, for many years. I have also, for about the same period of time, had various forms of lower back pain. I recently developed sciatica in my left leg that has left me bedridden for the better part of three weeks now. Morning back pain remains a standard feature of life these days. I sleep on a futon mattress with a 4" memory foam topper.

      I have also noticed that when I go to visit family and sleep in guest rooms or in hotels, I don't seem to wake up feeling like this. I am, as of this morning, going to try pointing the finger at my mattress topper. I always thought the futon was too much like a slab of stone for anyone to consider it a legitimate sleeping surface, which is why I was eager to cushion it with several inches of the thickest, densest memory foam I could find. And here I lie, years later, plagued with regular back pain and now leg pain.

      Today, with some help, I am going to remove the memory foam. I am going to try to start sleeping straight on the futon. I haven't done this is forever. As I am typing this message, my back is aching and the pain in my hip/ leg is starting to act up again. So we are going to see what happens when I— gasp!--remove the memory foam. Since this is a one-off case study, it will not have any statistical significance. But won't it be interesting if I write back to this page in a week or two and report significant improvement in my lower back? Or maybe things will get much worse... Who knows? I can report that, too! But the pain— the sciatica— has just been so excruciating, that I have to try something besides regular stretching. I think the problem may be in the foam. So expect to hear back from me before the year is out to hear how I have fared, and know beforehand that I have always loved the idea of memory foam sleeping... For me, the idea and the reality may be about to split (or they may not, but we are going to find out). The fact that these problems seem to vanish when I sleep away from my "cozy" memory foam bed has made me wonder. Today I am going to start finding out the answer to at least THIS part of the question.

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      Catherine Mostly 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I would be really surprised if just taking your memory foam topper off, helps - the futon mattress may very well be too firm; and that is why you may be having the experience you are.

      Since you're only on top of 4" of memory foam and not a full mattress, your shoulders/hips, etc. are sinking into the probably-too-firm futon mattress - which is essentially causing the same problem as a full memory foam mattress can, so I can see why it 'seems to be the topper' to you.

      If you like the feel of memory foam, try putting your topper on a plush (not as firm as a futon) spring mattress - you might find that to work well, especially since you know you sleep better on guest beds.

      Have fun experimenting; and hope you're feeling better soon. :)

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      Gaby 6 months ago

      Hi! I was looking up about 7 zone mattresses and found out on memory foam. I am glad this post is still alive.

      I am a stomach sleeper and nothing but a firm block of foam feels good. For some 5 years I have been buying and fighting mattresses. Latex was not an option because of course my hips and stomach sink in and my lower back hurts. We have a memory foam, and i can't use it. My body sinks and I can't get my head in a confortable position because if it gets confortable my nose is stuck inside the mattress. Then I try side and back but does not work. I am from the still sleepers, I could sneak out in the morning without having to make the bed!

      It is very difficult to find any advice for belly sleepers besides "sleep on your side".

      And not surprisingly it seems impossible to find an old fashioned block mattress!

      Thanks for so good amd straight forward information on mattresses!

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      Catherine Mostly 6 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I don't know where you live, but if you're really having a hard time finding just a block of foam for a mattress - try a 'just foam' store. Seattle has one, and most big cities do, too (maybe even online, I don't know). Foam stores will often 'wrap' a piece of foam up like a mattress for you - although it is not being sold 'as a mattress' at that point because of mattress testing & labeling requirements, etc. Good luck, and thanks for sharing your experience with us.

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      Experimentation 6 months ago

      Okay, well, it's been eight days now... The pain component of the sciatica is all but gone, and though I am still limping a bit while walking and have some residual numbness in the front of my lower left leg, I have to attribute at least part of my recovery to putting away that memory foam topper.... Though I do miss it's "comfy" factor! The futon is pretty hard, and has neither springs nor foam, but for what it's worth, I can sit up in the morning again and stand without help (did I mention I am 47? And that 47 seems like too soon to be disabled with sciatica?). Honestly, part of me wishes there were no correlation, and that I could justify returning to the memory foam topper. But given the improvement I've felt so far, and despite your wisdom that the problem could be a still-too-firm futon, I really can't complain (except that I miss the memory foam feel). What strikes me as weird is that I now feel like I am sleeping with all the "bad posture" positions that the memory foam was supposed to help alleviate. How this can be better for me I cannot imagine. But I like being able to stand up in the morning, and that suggests, after 8 days, that perhaps memory foam had something to do with it.

      If the sciatica ever returns, I will have some very different commentary to leave (and will be sure to do so!). For now, I am counting my blessings and am learning to sleep like the Japanese, though it grieves my heart.

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      Iri 6 months ago

      I had a memory foam mattress three years ago and had to giveit away due to it causing low back pain within the year of purchase. Went back to my spring supported that I had placed in the guest bedroom.

      I don't understand why people are complain about not enough research on this subject matter. If research is done they would need subjects to test this theory wouldn't they?

      On the subject of pillows. I bought two pillows from a chiropractor many years ago called ChiroFlow. The center of the pillow you fill with water using a funnel; filling it to your comfort level. I love it and they have lasted for over 8 years. The only two drawbacks is that they can get heavy due to the water and they are expensive about $50+. Ask your chiropractor about them.

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      greenmind 5 months ago

      Good hub on an important subject -- thanks for your work on Hubpages!

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      Louise Powles 5 months ago from Norfolk, England

      Interesting hub. I had a memory foam pillow once but I found it uncomfortable, so I went back to using my other ones. I've never tried the mattresses though.

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      Maria 5 months ago

      Thanks for writing this article, I wish I saw it earlier, though I did manage to return my memory foam in time.

      It was just a torture for about a month and a half, so I couldn't handle it and had to go back to inner spring. I was so worried about it that I decided to take a firm innerspring. The pain immediately stopped the next morning.

      Only wishing that I bought a pillow top which would be same as my old bed.

      Innerspring with pillowtop is the way to go.

      I'd like to try latex top but honestly, after this experience with memory foam, everything that even looks like it scares me.

      I would like to get some kind of a pillowtop even though really- no complaints, this innerspring is just heaven after memory foam experience even if it's a bit hard.

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      Catherine Mostly 5 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Add a topper. If you liked the feel of memory foam, it may be the way to go - plus, you can often return/exchange it if it doesn't work. Even a regular foam topper would help cushion those shoulders & hips. Good luck! :)

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      mapol 4 months ago

      Nowadays, they have many more different types of mattresses that are made with totally different materials than they used to be made with. Some are harder or softer than others, while some are sort of in-between, as some people would put it. I have found that a mattress that's either too hard or too soft is way too tough to sleep on. I waited almost 20 years before I replaced my old mattress, and I'm sorry I didn't replace it sooner. My present mattress is 10 years old, and it, too, should be replaced, soon, I think.

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      FrancesJ 4 months ago

      I have been living with back and hip pain at night for years. We bought our expensive memory foam mattress to try to address this. It didn't change anything. Recently when we took turns sleeping in our spare rooms (due to colds and flu) my husband and I both discovered that the 40 year old box spring mattress he used as a teenager and the cheap foam slab on our kid's bed are WAY more comfortable. Neither of us woke up with any back pain after sleeping on these cheaper beds.

      Since figuring this out I have been experimenting. I found that if I fold up a towel to raise my hips up an inch while sleeping on the memory foam, my back and hip pain almost completely disappear. Clearly my hips sink down too much on the memory foam bed. Does anyone else have a similar experience? Any ideas on how to find a mattress that will work for us?

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      Catherine Mostly 4 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      The memory foam is likely warming up too much while you sleep, making your hip sink too much. It is a common problem that a lot of people have. I've included links on how to test & choose a mattress for individuals & couples at the end of this article. I know its a lot of reading, but bodies are unique. If you want to find the right mattress for yourself - you unfortunately have to put in research. Good luck. :)

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      Whitney 3 months ago

      I have a 4 inch memory foam topper on my bed. It's only been about two months, but it's so hot, and my neck, full back, and hips hurt every morning. I'm only 28. I definitely believe this article! I think I'm going to take it off tomorrow and see if I feel better. I had some pressure points that were hurting me before if I slept too long, but now I'm waking up at 3 am every day sore, so that's worse than having to turn over.

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      Jewls72 2 months ago

      Hi, I'm glad I happened upon this hub, as I have been researching memory foam and shoulder pain, which I have had for the last year now and have not been able to figure out why. I've had two memory foam mattress pads or toppers, and the last one I got was a good inch thicker than my last one, and has caused my shoulder to have incredible spasms and pain every night. It's gotten so bad, that I couldn't even switch back to hook my bra or to pull up my pants. I'm thinking the memory foam is way too firm, because I went on a trip with my husband and daughter to San Francisco a couple weeks ago and we stayed in a hotel for three nights, and my shoulder pain was about 50 to 60% better.

      My question, if you were still following this hub's comments is this: I just bought a new topper that is not memory foam and is much more soft and not as thick. Its called Zen Bamboo Ultra Soft Mattress Topper, and just wondering if you have heard of it?

      It was way cheaper then the memory foam and it has an average rating on Amazon of five stars, so was just wanting to get your opinion of it. I am sleeping on a regular innerspring mattress, but it's way too firm so I got memory foam topper to make it softer, but I have a 2 1/2 inch right now and it is absolutely killing my shoulder.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 months ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      I don't see how thick that topper is, but I may be blind, ha! I also don't see many bad reviews for that topper, so I'd guess it is as good as any other 'good' one - sounds like it is really good for relieving heat. Honestly, it doesn't take much to find something that is an improvement for memory foam if your body is not getting along with it. Good luck. :)

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      Alyssa Joy 2 weeks ago

      Obviously we've all had some kind of experience with these mattresses I personally have decided in all my reading and research that the ENTIRE mattress industry is a SCAM! I will NEVER buy a mattress ever again. I was 20 years old and decided I was tired of sleeping on an old hand me down mattress so I saved my money up for almost a year and went out on the quest... found a Serra "hybrid" mattress and it was the worst purchase experience I've ever had. After two months the damn thing sunk in the middle! $1400 and my mattress sunk in after two months?! Well surely this a a defect and will be covered under "warranty" NOPE. The warranty was a LIE! I will spare you the detail but that $1400 mattress I saved up for for a year now sits in the dump. I have a $200 IKEA mattress now as a temporary "that's all I can afford" mattress. If you truly want to eliminate back pains research earth beds and "homemade mattresses." Humans weren't meant to sleep on mattresses.... this mattresses cost $50-$100 top to manufacture! That's fact, google it. I'm telling you this mattress industry is a marketing scam. When I move into my "forever" home I will be making my own bed.

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      Catherine Mostly 2 weeks ago from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD

      Sorry you've had such a horrible experience. My main reason for quitting my semi-lucrative job as a mattress sales person was because I got really tired of having to talk people into the most expensive thing I could - or lose my job. There are quotas to make, you know - and they are so very important. Plus, guess who gets the brunt of the heat if/when a mattress fails for whatever reason (which, as you know - is pretty common). I stand by my latex mattress, I love it still after almost 10 years - and yet, not every person who has purchased one would agree. Better luck next time. :)

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