The Real Debate – Marriage Rights For Gays
I can't help myself, after listening to the Vice Presidential debate last night I just can't contain myself. That's right, the Some Like It Scott soapbox is officially out, I'm standing on it (and I'm thanking God for it because it makes me look a little taller). The real debate - Marriage Rights for Gays - Don't Get Me Started!
I raced home from work last night (yes, I'm one of the seven of us in this country who still have a job - geez) only to find the debate had started without me. I turned on the debate, fed and kissed the cats, threw off the work clothes and started to listen as I made myself a turkey burger (no bread, please I just started back at the gym and a salad). Well, before I could get my turkey in the pan, I started to hear the real turkeys answering one of the questions I wanted to hear them answer. Here's the actual transcript of what was said:
IFILL: The next round of -- pardon me, the next round of questions starts with you, Senator Biden. Do you support, as they do in Alaska, granting same-sex benefits to couples?
BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple.
The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted -- same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair.
It's what the Constitution calls for. And so we do support it. We do support making sure that committed couples in a same-sex marriage are guaranteed the same constitutional benefits as it relates to their property rights, their rights of visitation, their rights to insurance, their rights of ownership as heterosexual couples do.
IFILL: Governor, would you support expanding that beyond Alaska to the rest of the nation?
PALIN: Well, not if it goes closer and closer towards redefining the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. And unfortunately that's sometimes where those steps lead.
But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.
But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties.
But I will tell Americans straight up that I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman, and I think through nuances we can go round and round about what that actually means.
But I'm being as straight up with Americans as I can in my non- support for anything but a traditional definition of marriage.
IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?
BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.
The bottom line though is, and I'm glad to hear the governor, I take her at her word, obviously, that she think there should be no civil rights distinction, none whatsoever, between a committed gay couple and a committed heterosexual couple. If that's the case, we really don't have a difference.
IFILL: Is that what your said?
PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.
IFILL: Wonderful. You agree. On that note, let's move to foreign policy.
What cowards. Come on say what you really want to say. Palin and McCain don't support "gay marriage" because they're religious zealots who oppose anything different from what they interpret from their bibles. Biden and Obama can't support "gay marriage" because in a country that is run by the religious right it would be political suicide. So tell me then, what exactly are these "constitutional" and "legal" rights they want to give us? Do we get the tax break? How about health benefits? I think not.
That's right they'll allow us to be "partners" like in a business deal but for God sakes, don't expect the government to enforce you getting tax breaks and health benefits. We're just going to continue to legislate the way we hate you but talk about tolerance. Bullshit.
As I've said before, I don't care about the word marriage. I don't need that word but I demand the respect and rights that married citizens get in this country where every man is supposedly created equal. I received some emailed photos this week of my cousin who married his partner in England this week. Just the two of them signing some papers but I must confess I got a little teary looking at the photos. Tears of joy at seeing my cousin and his mate so happy and some tears of disgust that they can't get married here (except in a few states) and that we as a nation who are supposedly the leaders of the free world aren't leading this charge.
And honestly, why not let the gays have marriage? Just like everything else the homosexual community has done from making your hair and living room look better, going into rundown neighborhoods and revitalizing the houses and business by creating a gayborhood, we'll do the same thing for marriage. ‘Cause we're used to being told we'll fail and proving everyone wrong. The real debate - Marriage Rights for Gays - Don't Get Me Started!
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