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Is Bubblews A Scam?

Updated on November 20, 2014
Is Bubblews a scam? An experiment was performed to find out.
Is Bubblews a scam? An experiment was performed to find out. | Source

Bubblews is a platform for writers to create content on the internet. Ads are included by Bubblews, and the company claims to share ad-revenue equally with writers. There are a number of obvious rules against spamming, plagiarizing, or being abusive.

Bubblews supposedly allows writers to withdraw their earnings when they reach 50 dollars. However, there have been a number of unpaid withdrawals, leading to widespread complaints and condemnatory articles on the web (see below). The most common complaint is that Bubblews pay the first 50 dollars before refusing to pay subsequent earnings.

Con-men refer to this tactic as the convincer. Just as a drug dealer gives you a free taste, or a gambling machine gives you an early payout, the goal is to build the victim's confidence before taking advantage of them.

This article describes an experiment that was performed to test if Bubblews honors their agreement to pay writers. As the most common excuse for unpaid earnings is that the writer broke the rules, the experiment involves a foolproof way of avoiding any transgressions.

As a scientist, I couldn't resist devising an experiment to test Bubblews.
As a scientist, I couldn't resist devising an experiment to test Bubblews. | Source

The Bubblews Experiment

I joined Bubblews in June 2013 and wrote 71 high-quality posts in a month. I reached the 25 dollar minimum payout soon after, and I requested to be paid via Paypal. Not surprisingly, they paid me because I had followed the rules. Note that the payout limit used to be 25 dollars.

Then, I stopped participating on the site. I didn't write, like, or comment. I simply checked my Bubblews balance each day to watch the earnings accumulate from my old posts. After 3 months, I reached the 25 dollar limit for a second time.

When I requested my earnings, I was greeted with utter silence. After a week, I sent a message to Bubblews in which I politely asked about the status of my payment. This was ignored. After another week I sent a sterner message. Still nothing. To this day, those messages have not been responded to. Bear in mind that, at the time, Bubblews promised to process payments within 3 days of requests.

Given that the Bubblews shills regularly respond to articles like this with the usual "you must have broken a rule", let me make this next sentence as clear as possible. Without writing, liking or commenting anywhere on the site, there is no way I could have broken a rule between the time I was paid and the time I wasn't. They didn't pay me for the same content that they'd previously paid me for. Did they change their mind about it without telling me? The only plausible conclusion was that Bubblews is a scam.

UPDATE: Bubblews Paid Me Eventually

After 3 months, I finally managed to get through to Bubblews. They paid my redemption and apologized.

If I hadn't contacted them again after all this time, I don't think I would have been paid. Somehow, they were able to check their records to verify I was owed a payment. This leaves the unanswered question of why I had to contact them to be paid what they already knew they owed me. If Bubblews have this information to hand, then it suggests they're deliberately withholding money from authors who don't bother to spend months chasing up lost payments.

For this reason, I am unable to confirm if my payment issue was accidental or intentional. I remain skeptical about Bubblews and will still be advising everyone to stay clear of the site. At the very least, they have a lot of problems when it comes to paying people.

Many others felt scammed by Bubblews' use of an initial `convincer' payment.
Many others felt scammed by Bubblews' use of an initial `convincer' payment. | Source

A Common Scam?

As I clearly didn't break any rules, the Bubblews shills claim that my payment issue must have been a technical malfunction. This seems unlikely because Bubblews ignored all my attempts to contact them. Also, it's worth considering these very similar experiences:

Distant Mind says: “They don't always pay and are very slow in processing payments. This is what keeps them (and all other long terms scams) afloat - they pay you from time to time, especially in the beginning.

Alexis Pedrico says: “some were paid for a few months and then it stopped. They owe me $125

MG Singh commented: “The site has no customer service and emails are never answered. I don't recommend it at all and mark my words a site that pays selectively cannot last.

Tahni says: “I received the first payment … I am still waiting on my second and third payments, I have contacted them by email and have not received any answers.

Qeyler talks about the victims: “These suckers will write readable prose. These suckers will get hits. These suckers will get that first payout… [but] Bubblews is a scam.

Rohanfelix commented: “My experience on bubblews... honest writing... 75 dollars owed... no payment or response, and it's been 3 months

Cendrine Marrouat says: "They will pay you the first couple of times, and then suddenly forget you because they are swamped."

Paxwill commented: “Fact is, many people have been random victims of non-payment at Bubblews, and Bubblews knows it can save money simply by ignoring these people's complaints and not paying them. Scam scam scam.

Derek Ayre commented: "I got paid the first time and felt that people who were complaining about non-payment must be breaking the rules ... [however] It's been several weeks now and it is obvious they are not going to pay me, yet have deducted the whole of my $25 from my account. Looked for a way to quit the site, but they don't offer one apart from e-mailing them. As I get no response, why bother!?"

Vampirate commented: "Every day I read more and more complaints about missing redemptions. My roommate attempted to redeem for only the second time. She didn't receive it. She e-mailed. No response."

I hope you noticed the common theme. Most were paid the first time (the `convincer') before their confidence in Bubblews was exploited for all it was worth. Some poor souls reached as many as 5 further payouts before they finally gave up. What I've quoted above took only 30 minutes of research to unearth. There may be thousands more who were treated in exactly the same way. Indeed, The Lyric Writer recently noted that: “More and more people are having trouble getting paid.

It doesn't take much to turn someone from skeptic to marketer.
It doesn't take much to turn someone from skeptic to marketer. | Source

The Convincer Payment

There are a number of reasons why scammers give you a `free taste' to convince you they're a legitimate business. In Bubblews case, they may be paying the majority of people that first redemption because:

  1. They want you to market the site for them. Bubblews know that their writers will be people who blog prolifically elsewhere. Indeed, how many "I got paid" articles and blogs have you seen? Were you convinced to join after reading one?
  2. They want you to sign up your friends and family. If you convince at least one more sucker to join, then you've done your job.
  3. They want you to attack the unpaid folk for them. In the comments section below, and on other similar pages across the web, people are accusing others (and me) of breaking the rules. Presumably, they didn't read the experiment above before commenting.
  4. Most importantly, they want you to keep writing. If you write enough to reach a 2nd redemption, then Bubblews make their money back by not paying you.
  5. They want you to doubt yourself. They want you to think "I was paid before so I must have broken a rule this time". When Bubblews succeeds in this regard, you might continue writing on the site for months before finally giving up. Some of the cases cited above show that people can reach 4 or 5 unpaid redemptions before calling it a day.

Of course, not everyone will have the same experience. Some will never get paid, while others get paid all the time. If Bubblews treated everyone in the same way, they'd be figured out pretty quickly. Based on the experiences collated above and the comments below, `pay first but not later' appears to be the norm, but not the rule.

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The Warning Signs

Perhaps my expectations for this `too good to be true' service were naïve. It's not like the warning signs weren't there:

  1. Bubblews is listed as an untrustworthy site on scam adviser (see picture below). Posting this picture on their site will apparently get you banned.
  2. When writers request a payout, they are required to enter their Paypal details before clicking a `redeem' button. Once clicked, all record of having any money on the Bubblews system disappears. Your earnings are reset to zero, and you're left to assume that they received your request. Without any confirmation email, you're completely at their mercy.
  3. Bubblews make a promise to respond to all emails/messages within 86 hours. However, they appear to ignore most attempts to contact them, especially when the topic is unpaid earnings.
  4. When Bubblews forget about your payment, they don't provide an explanation. They simply ignore you. The imaginary "rule breakers" aren't told what they did wrong because they didn't do anything wrong. Their posts would have been deleted if they did. Recently, Bubblews apparently started emailing some of the people who they claim have broken rules. However, it appears that most unpaid authors are still receiving no communication.
  5. This interview presents many of the problems and outstanding questions plaguing the Bubblews operation. Though the founder of Bubblews promised to answer the questions, he never did.

Scam adviser gives Bubblews its worst rating (0%) and calls it `high risk'.
Scam adviser gives Bubblews its worst rating (0%) and calls it `high risk'. | Source

My Reaction to Bubblews

After 3 weeks without a response, I deleted all of my content from the site. That really is the only option when you believe someone is scamming you. Don't live in hope that it was all a big mistake, or that you're somehow at fault for breaking an unknown rule. If they're scamming you, they would rather you blamed yourself. Just chase them up, and if they ignore you, delete it all.

Amusingly, after I did this, they put my account in negative money; implying that I owe them something for deleting my own work. Would you have expected anything less? My account was completely deleted a few days later for no legitimate reason. (Note: I've removed the screenshot of my account showing minus $49 dollars because of Bubblews Terms of Use, 10. I don't trust them to believe in my fair use of their graphics.)

I told everyone I know about the outcome of this experiment, and many deleted their posts as a result. By all means, claim your first payment, but don't expect them to keep coming. Those that genuinely do get paid every redemption tend to be those with enough followers and readers to do some serious damage to the site.

Update: January 2014

As explained in the updated section above, I was finally paid after 3 months. However, I still urge extreme caution when approaching the site. The fact that they knew I was owed money suggests they are still withholding it from people who haven't bothered to chase up their payments.

Update: September 2014

Bubblews are still withholding money from a large number of authors. Based on the number of people commenting here and on other pages around the web, the frequency of complaints has gotten much worse in the last two months. It's clear that many have followed all the rules. I can say this with certainty because one unpaid author is someone I know very well in real life. He's an old guy from England with excellent writing skills and a good heart. He wouldn't dream of plagiarizing, like-exchanging, or doing anything dishonest.

It is my firm belief that Bubblews is a scam site that selectively pays its authors according to criteria that are not part of its Terms of Use. Based on my discussions with dozens of unpaid authors, I believe the criteria they use are:

  • How active you are on the site.
  • The number of connections and readers you have.
  • The ad-revenue that you and your readers bring in.
  • The value that your personal data fetches.
  • The value that can be extracted from selling your browsing history. This is mined from cookies that Bubblews stores on your computer. They help ad companies to relate particular demographics to particular products.
  • The value that can be extracted from the interests, beliefs, and preferences that you write about on Bubblews. Like your browsing history, these are used to create a profile of the sort of person you are and what you're likely to buy.
  • Whether you criticize Bubblews or not.

Rules appear to have very little to do with it. If you're not worth enough to Bubblews, they won't pay you. For the reasons outlined in this article, I believe the first received payment allows for a smaller `worth' than later payments.

I also now believe my payment issue was intentional, and the belated reimbursement was part of a scheme to silence their more vocal critics. Indeed, other vehement critics on Hubpages were given hush money at the same time. Those with lesser voices got ignored.

My advice: If you're not paid, then kick up a furor. Write a condemnatory article about Bubblews and publish it on Hubpages or another blogging site. Also, I would suggest sending them regular emails to show you haven't forgotten. Put any replies you get into your condemnatory article. Let the world know how these people operate.

Experience shows they `might' give in eventually. Do NOT consider writing towards another redemption until you are paid, as they will likely interpret that as you accepting the situation, and you will run into further redemption issues later.

Update: November 2014

According to commenters here, and others I've spoken to, Bubblews are replying to emails more than they used to. However, the replies tend to make little sense. They'll ask in broken English for information about your payment, or tell you they're looking into it. After sending you in circles for weeks, the end result is typically the same: nothing whatsoever.

Recently, Bubblews drastically increased the delay between applying for payments and receiving them. For a site that appears to be regularly scamming its writers, this is a clear profit turner. Those who aren't paid will be losing much more time, effort, and earnings to the scam than they used to.

© 2013 Thomas Swan

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    • chef-de-jour profile image

      Andrew Spacey 3 years ago from Near Huddersfield, West Yorkshire,UK

      Very eloquently argued, with evidence to support your claims. From what you yourself have experienced your conclusion is correct and it makes me angry, yes angry, that Bubblews has failed you - and many others - with its lack of any response.

      I am currently writing on Bubblews because I need the money! I can only say that in the two months I've been active every redemption has been paid, on time, in full.

      At the moment due to my personal circumstances that's all I need to know.

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      Mackenzie Sage Wright 3 years ago

      Excellent detective work, it does indeed appear to be a scam. I have never been to their site because I mainly work with private clients, but I know a few people who have been contemplating it. I will pass on this hub to them. Great job.

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      Interesting hub Thomas Swan, I have never joined nor written anything for Bubblews, however had contemplated it for a bit. I've heard both good and bad reviews on the site, but just hearsay, nothing with evidence to support the claims. Thumbs up on your hub.

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      Colleen Swan 3 years ago from County Durham

      Agree. My main concern has been the attempts to compromise my firewall security whilst being logged into the bubble site. McaFee (spelling unsure) site security flags their site as unsure. I would recommend that if you value your content and more importantly the integrity of your paypal account, that you remove bubble from your history, cookies, favourites, auto login (A Must) and if you by chance are a genuine receiver of a payment from bubble; Change your Paypal Password pronto.

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      Colleen Swan 3 years ago from County Durham

      I should make clear that my reference to bubble is bubblews.

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      Gavino Berardesco 3 years ago from Cleveland, Tennessee

      I am so glad I have found this very informative hub on bubble as I have not worked the site to much to reach a payout and will drop them like a hot potato. It is information like this that helps me avoid wasting my time on shiny objects and hype. Thank you very much and I will for sure pass this along.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting chef-de-jour. You may be one of the lucky ones. I believe the scam would fail much quicker if they treated everyone exactly the same, but it's clear that their loose formula is to pay in the first couple of months to build a writer's confidence in the system. If they stop paying you, let me know, and I will add your experience to this page if you like. Don't let them make you believe you've somehow broken a rule. Your standing as a hubpages author is enough to know you wouldn't do that.

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      Deborah Rolon 3 years ago from Myrtle Beach

      Interesting article, thanks for the information. I have been working bubblelews for months and had recommended it to my friends...I will pass this article along now.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Cheers Wiccan. It did seem strange that all those people were being denied payments without any of their posts being deleted, so the "rule-breaking" excuse for non-payments looked like BS. I was glad to have been able to prove it without wasting any more time there. Thanks for passing it on; I hope it proves useful.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks AlphaDogg16. I think it was important to provide some evidence because bubblews seem to have shills who go round articles like this making their counter claims. It just turns into a "one word against another" contest otherwise.

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      Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      I wish I could sign in to remove my poetry that I posted because it seemed to a a more poetry-friendly site than HP. Can't even sign in.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Cheers Colleen. That is very good advice. I checked my browser and noted a large amount of cookies from bubblews. It made me wonder what they were all for. As bubblews don't allow you to delete your own account, I changed my email and personal details to false entries. I then logged out, deleted all those the cookies, removed the site from favorites, and changed my paypal password.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks Gavino, I'm glad to have helped and appreciate you passing it on. I guess that old adage stands true: "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is".

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      No problem deborah. Thank you for reading and passing it along. I think that's another reason why they pay out in the early days. It gets people to recommend it to others, perpetuating the intake of new signups.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Kathleen, that's something I've noticed in the past too. The maintenance of the site is atrocious, which suggests it's just something for the owners to make a quick buck with.

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      I actually didn't get paid the first time, when I requested a check, but I got paid the second time when I used Pay Pal. I guess I'll try for a third time and go from there. But you're right, they do not respond to emails.

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      Ronald E. Franklin 3 years ago from Mechanicsburg, PA

      Thomas, I can only say I've had a different experience. I signed up at Bubblews 3 months ago. Since then I've had 3 redemptions, and now am within about $3 of my fourth. They've all been paid promptly (there is an apparently standard delay time between submitting for payment, and it showing up in my PayPal account). I also notice particular users who have been there far longer than I, and who post articles much more frequently than I. The fact that they continue on the site tells me they must be getting paid. Since I make it a point to redeem as soon as my account reaches $25, I figure that's all I ever have at risk. So, I'll keep going until Bubblews proves they can't be trusted.

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      Barbara Kay Badder 3 years ago from USA

      I just received my first payment. I've seen many writers with no complaints, but I am figuring that I only earn about a dollar an hour for my time there. That isn't very good.

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      Rebecca Millar 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Interesting hub - I've seen various posts on Bubblews saying very similar, but your experiment makes me wonder if it's worth spending any more time on there. Thus far my redemption's have been paid, but we'll see. Thanks for sharing!

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Mel. Yea, I doubt bubblews would treat everyone the same. They'd be found out pretty quick. I'm surprised you kept going after they didn't pay you the first time. Even though they paid the 2nd redemption, whose to say whether they'll pay the 3rd or 4th?

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Ron. There will always be some "success stories" to show others that it can be done. I think you'll find that the vast majority of posts come from new accounts though. If they've paid you up until now, good job! If they suddenly stop paying though, don't let them make you believe you've broken a rule. The reason they pay you at the start is so you'll keep writing long after they stop paying you.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Barbara, good luck on getting your second payment! Let me know how it goes if you stick with it.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks rebecca. There are so many people not getting paid. It's just there are an equal number of apologists who still support the site even though they've lost payments. These people just seem to live in hope that their next payment will go through. It's incredible how bubblews hooks these people really. Of course, a few get all their payments. Bubblews holds these people up as success stories.

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      Rebecca Millar 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Personally, the big red flag for me was their contact email addresses. Surely if you are 'splitting the profits' with people who are hitting the redemption button every minute of every day, you could afford $4.95 a month for an email account that isn't hosted by gmail?

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      I like the comparison with the Drug Dealer. Your experiment proves it all.

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      Heather Rode 3 years ago from Buckeye, Arizona

      Very interesting article. I kept seeing Hubbers praise Bubblews and after a few months finally gave in and gave it a shot. I researched up and down about what rules to follow and how to post. I read examples on their site as well as anything I could find here in the forums. I wrote about ten articles and began earning but the next day I wasn't able to sign in. This went on for a week. I decided to start a new account. Wrote another dozen articles and the following day couldn't sign in with either account. I have no idea what I could have done wrong but I gave up for good. I'm happy here but just had to try it out because it seemed too good to be true. And so it seems that it is just that.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Good point Rebecca, though when I tried to contact them via their "contact us" page, I got a form to fill in. It might better be described as a gateway to oblivion though because they didn't answer and probably never will.

      Cheers buildreps, I think it does. I can't think of a reason for them to have denied me the payment. They could claim to have changed their mind about my old posts, but that would really be stretching reality.

      Thanks for commenting Heather. I expect many people praised bubblews after they were paid early on. I wonder how they're getting on now though. That seems to be how the scam works: pay early, get them to spread the word about how great it is, then drop them like a rock and move on to the next sucker.

      What you experienced may actually have been technical issues. I remember the site being down for a bit, though that's just another reason to believe it's someone's get-rich quick scheme. I expect bubblews will mysteriously disappear without a trace at some point. It might be worth trying to log in just to delete the posts you put up. Otherwise, they'll use them to earn money for themselves. You could then wait a week, and put them up somewhere else, like Teckler maybe. They seem to have a better reputation, and when my Dad emailed them, they actually responded. It's too soon to tell if they're legit though.

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      DATALOAD 3 years ago from Michigan

      I'm almost at the first payment. I knew of the nonpayment problem before getting started, but I figured I should give it a try. Hopefully I get paid. I've been careful not to break any rules (as if that matters).

      Thanks for the honest review.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Well, Thomas it proves they didn't verify your posts to their rules and so payout has a significant arbitrary element. I think this is the major conclusion of your experiment. Well done.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Thomas....I surely appreciate your research. Passing on this info can help to prevent a good number of writers, a lot of unnecessary grief. Like others, I have heard both positive and negative comments.....and am beginning to see that the "confusion," is purposeful on the part of any scammer. In the end...a scam is a scam is a scam. I suppose they will continue to go on for as long as they are able to keep up the "BULL."

      I have contributed some bubbles.....but am not one who keeps up with writing, reading, posting, commenting....etc. The $$ is building very slowly. Haven't even reached a first payout. After reading your excellent hub, I suppose this is nothing to be concerned with, since the first pmt is usually the LAST!...Thank you...UP+++

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Dataload. Let me know what happens with your first payment. They tend to actually pay that one because they want you to "spread the word" about how great the site is, and recommend it to your friends and family. That's how the site grows. When they've used you as their own personal marketer, they'll pull the rug out from under you, and cut you off.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Hi fpherj48, I agree that there are as many positive as negative comments out there about bubblews. Like I've said above, this is because they tend to pay at the start. They need you to market the site for them, recommend it to friends, and write the sort of comments you've been reading.

      I think the most important point about those who don't get paid is that they're never given an explanation. They're left to `assume' they've broken some sort of rule, and many just accept that and move on. Some even keep posting in hope that they'll get paid the next time. I guess bubblews would call these people "suckers". As my experiment proved, you don't need to break a rule to not be paid.

      Thanks for commenting, and good luck on receiving your first payment. Just don't expect many more!

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Thomas....I wanted to stop back and let you know that, during the few minutes I spent on Bubblews today, I came across a Bubbler who is apparently very successful......making approx $500.00 a month! Her name is Adrienne Jenkins. I spent some time on her site. She has written several posts, explaining how she became so successful on Bubblews......

      I wonder how many more like Adrienne, there might be. This story is a stark contrast from several negative comments I've come across. Thought you might find this interesting.

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      Liz Elias 3 years ago from Oakley, CA

      I have heard a lot of hype about this site--I looked at it, but it did not interest me, mainly because I focus my efforts here, and do not want to spread myself too thin.

      However, I've also read in the forums many of the same complaints you address here, and that was my final decision maker. No Bubblews for me.

      That said, I did a site ownership lookup on "whois.com" and found their contact information, which will be most useful for any victims who may want to initiate a class-action lawsuit:

      http://www.whois.com/whois/bubblews.com

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Dzy! You're a Rock Star! Thanks.....hoping we never have to use it. I'm reserving serious comment until "when & if," I find Bubblews to be a real scam. There are 2 sides to this coin. Very confusing. Some people have put their "all" into the site...others, like myself are just checking it out and plugging along. Like you, I feel more comfortable trying to focus on HP.

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      I've now had three redemptions from the site. My first one never arrived but I think it was because I was putting links to my hub pages material in my articles, which I have since found out is prohibited. The other two redemptions were paid in a timely manner. I agree that hub pages is a vastly superior site, but at least I am able to make a little money there without the enormous effort that is required here. It is true that Hub Pagrs is a better long term proposition but I don't think it's fair or even ethical to call Bubblews a scam without hard evidence.

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      Liz Elias 3 years ago from Oakley, CA

      Not sure what more "evidence" you'd need, after this controlled experiment AND all the supporting comments from so many others....

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      I don't think one man's experience is a very scientific study. Not much of a sampling group. If Bubblews ceases to pay me I may join the chorus here but for right now I'll reserve judgment.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for the info fpherj48. Every scam needs its success stories. I did a little research and found her shameless twitter account. It's replete with gems such as "I Now Make $30 a Day Microblogging and So Can You... - News - Bubblews" and "I Made Even More Money In October microblogging for Bubblews". Her twitter account is basically an advertising platform for bubblews. Every tweet seems to be the same `salesperson talk' about future riches and specific amounts of $$$ she's supposedly made. I would be extremely skeptical of that. Hope this helps.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting DzyMsLizzy. I agree that there's a lot of unintelligible rubbish on the site. The number of complaints on hubpages alone is amazing. That will be a mere fraction of the total disenfranchised writers out there. You did the right thing by looking at that before stepping in.

      The information you've given from "whois" is very revealing.

      Registrant Name: Domain Registrant

      Admin Name: Domain Administrator

      Tech Name: Domain Hostmaster

      Gee, don't give much away do they! Another reason to stay well clear. Thanks for the info.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Mel, it's great that you've been paid twice now. I'm surprised you continued after they didn't pay you the first time. If they didn't pay your 4th redemption, would you also assume you've broken a rule?

      Putting hubpages links into your bubbles isn't prohibited. Referral links are though. "8. Posting links within your bubbles to cite/source/enhance your work is fine, but please do not post Referral or Affiliate links to other websites. Use your best discretion and if you are unsure please email in."

      You're entitled to your opinion, but please don't tell me what's fair and ethical when it comes to my opinion about Bubblews. As far as I'm concerned, your experience with Bubblews supports my conclusion. You've been paid 66% of the time. If you think that makes them an honorable site, so be it, but to criticize my conclusion really does take the cake. I think I've successfully proven that bubblews withhold payments for reasons other than "breaking rules". In this instance, it only takes "one man's experience" to prove it happens.

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      Liz Elias 3 years ago from Oakley, CA

      No, no names, but-- there is everything there you need to contact them, including phone number, street address and city. Since they are registered as being physically located in San Francisco, CA, I would think City Hall would have the business license records, and that would have their names. It's public record..you can even look up the 'fictitious business name' records...which are required to be published in "a newspaper of general circulation," and proof thereof filed with the registrar at city hall. No one can hide completely.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Yea, I'm sure their rock could be kicked over somehow, though I wonder if any of the information there is correct. Would be good if someone tried to contact them though... and better if someone tried to sue them. The prospect of getting 25 bucks isn't worth me doing the groundwork and making international calls, but I hope someone at least does. For me, writing this hub, giving my web reviews, and convincing some of the people I know to quit Bubblews has satisfied me that they haven't profited by scamming me. They've probably lost far more than 25 bucks as a result of our exchange, and I can also feel good that I've saved a lot of people a lot of trouble.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Thomas......You've hit on one of my weaknesses. I believe people most often, at face value. Unless I have reason to distrust, I give everyone the initial benefit of the doubt. I've been burned enough that I should know better, but old habits, die hard.

      This wouldn't be the 1st time I've discovered that a lot of individuals, simply point-blank lie about the actual $$$ they make online. Between you and me, Thomas.....that's a fairly stupid thing to do. LOL......I mean, who's the real loser here?

      I remember when I made my 1st 23 cents here at HP......I was so excited, it may as well have been $2300 !! But....it wasn't...and I couldn't magically transform it into $2300 by SAYING it was!!! LOL! People are a curious lot!

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      Well, I wasn't going to comment on your Hub, but I have just got to anyway!

      If you delete your account with Bubblews all the money you earned from views comments, etc. is DEDUCTED from your account, so you will show in the negative.

      I have been paid consistently with them. After I hit the "redeem" button, the message says I will hear within 72 hours if I'll be paid. I am notified my money is on its way to PayPal. I'm making much more there than I have made with HP this past year.

      Some of the most well respected and top earners here on HP have joined Bubblews.

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      Wayne Barrett 3 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Good advice and info here. Let me just say, I reached my $25, hit the redeem button, and voila! Nada...zilch...squat. I understand there is the possibility that I made a mistake somewhere, but my problem with them is that they will not respond to my emails. That is about as unprofessional as it gets. Experiment over for me!

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      Laurel Rogers 3 years ago from Bishop, Ca

      I had the non-communication issue occur when writing support for many months, did not receive my 'redeem' from August of this year.

      Funny thing, not 5 minutes after I wrote this bubble: http://www.bubblews.com/news/1561081-i-don't-want-... you don't mind the link here) I got an email from Avi. He was more than happy to send my money.

      But now Avi is telling me that my PayPal account is not registered-it is-and I have now been on the phone to PayPal 3 times.

      I'm exhausted and am very glad I read this hub-thank you, Thomas.

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      Vincent Moore 3 years ago

      To save myself the trouble and aggravation, I simply closed my account there, I wanted to give it a try a few months back and placed a few of my poems there, with no concern about earnings at all. I must confess although Hub Pages is far from perfect, let me just say, it certainly offers a better site in terms of layout and simplified entry of articles/hubs.

      I never did earn much here either, but again, being a poet, one will never get rich placing poetry on a mainly articles site:-) My main concern has been the departure of so many good writers, for so many different issues . But to jump ship for Bubblews, I certainly don't feel is the answer either.

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      Nikkij504gurl 3 years ago from Louisiana

      I am still waiting on my first payment.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      fpherj48, I just go by the line "if it's too good to be true, it probably is". That rouses my suspicion enough to find their twitter or g+ account, or to look through their post history. For Adrienne Jenkins, it became pretty obvious that she's employed by bubblews in some way after reading her tweets. It's easy to learn how these salespeople talk by going to the spam folder on your email account and reading a few. They'll nearly always mention hard currency... some dollar amount for the recipient to salivate over. But, most of the time it will be obvious from sentences like "I made $500 and so can you". The words, "so can you" are a dead giveaway. They might actually be getting 500 dollars from bubblews, but it will be for their employment as marketers.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Mary, why should ad-revenue be deducted if I delete those articles? Those ads have already been clicked/viewed, and the earnings are already in bubblews pocket (or soon to be). The ad companies won't ask for the money back if the article is deleted, so why do bubblews?

      You are notified once the e-cheque is on it's way to paypal, but you don't receive any kind of confirmation that you've hit the redeem button. If the e-cheque isn't confirmed in those 72 hours, there really is no record that you ever had any money with bubblews. It's just... gone.

      Some of the most respected hubbers have had the same experience I've had on bubblews.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Wayne. Join the club! I guess you're particularly unlucky in that you didn't even get your first payment. Like I've said in some of the comments, they can't scam everyone the same way or they'd be figured out pretty fast. Though, not getting a reply to emails seems to be a universal experience with them. If they replied and acknowledged that you had some earnings, that could be used as evidence against them in court... so they just ignore everyone equally.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks lorlie for the interesting account of what happened to you. Everyone seems to have the same issue with Bubblews ignoring emails about lost payments. I'm surprised you got any reply at all, though I'm not surprised that Avi is trying to say it's a technical problem, and that it's your fault. You might be able to use his email as proof that you're owed it.

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      Pamela Oglesby 3 years ago from United States

      Interesting hub. I have written some articles on that site, but I primarily do freelance elsewhere. Considering your experience, I may not return as I haven't put that much effort in at this time. I do not like scammers.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Vincent. Yes poetry is hard to find a place for. I think the main problem might be that most poems are less than a few hundred words, and search engines don't like that. Perhaps you could try writing anthology pages where the title is something like "Poems about (insert subject)" and there are enough poems on the page to get it over about 500 words. That might work, but I don't really know.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Nikkij504gurl. I think that as Bubblews get closer to pulling the plug, they'll pay people less and less. This could mean that most of the people they scam aren't even getting the 1st payment issued.

      There do seem to be more payment issues recently, which completely contradicts this idea that Bubblews are improving the site.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Cheers Pamela. A lack of effort does seem to be a problem with Bubblews. If I was to speculate on the real reason I wasn't paid, it would be because I hadn't written a new bubble in 3 months. Of course, penalty for inactivity isn't in their terms of use, but I expect it goes into their formula for deciding who gets paid and who doesn't.

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      Nikkij504gurl 3 years ago from Louisiana

      well i am supposed to get it today, so we will see

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      Lena Kovadlo 3 years ago from Staten Island, NY

      Bubblews is not a scam. I redeemed twice and got paid that money and without any delays. If you follow the rules you will get paid!!! Also, they say not to bombard them with emails about not getting paid. They hate that so I would assume if you keep doing that they won't pay you then.

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      Nikkij504gurl 3 years ago from Louisiana

      I just got my payment, and it took about a week I think. I did not contact them at all I just waited patiently and I got my 29.55 I will only post a few posts to try n get to my next 25 cuz I want this to work sooner than 3 months and see if I get my second payment. After the 72 hrs when they contact yu it says it will take up to 5 days for payment to reach your paypal so be patient. Now I am waiting on the bank lol

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @lovebuglena: Bubblews is a highly questionable website, because I broke no rules and I didn't spam them with e-mails. Bubblews just doesn't do what is promises. You were just lucky to get paid to "spread the word" - and you did. Hope to hear from you soon again when you're not paid like the majority.

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      Lena Kovadlo 3 years ago from Staten Island, NY

      @Buildreps - I doubt that I will not get paid my third redemption. I will find that out either by the end of November hopefully, if I reach the minimum by then, or if not then in December.

      Also, could you have violated something without realizing you did it?

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @lovebuglena: The problem with Bubblews is that nothing is verified, no communication, just nothing. I am sure I broke no rules. Perhaps you should my Hub about it. Perhaps you'll look differently on Bubblews after reading this.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      It's a Ponzi scheme - pure and simple. The investment is the posts submitted and money earned. They only pay a low number of contributors. Those who get paid receive good money for tiny post. Classic Ponzi - high rates paid to very few.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @janderson99: Interesting point of view - the Ponzi Scheme. In this case an alternative Ponzi Scheme, because mostly it is: new money for old money. With Bubblews it would be then "traffic for money". Can you explain what you mean? And does this make sense?

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Lovbuglena. Saying that people broke the rules is a common excuse. The thing is, I was paid the first time. My 2nd redemption wasn't paid, but I hadn't written (or liked) anything on the site since my first redemption. They didn't pay me for exactly the same posts that they'd previously paid me for!

      It's a scam, simple as that. They could make the excuse that they'd changed their mind about my previous posts, but that's really stretching reality. It also doesn't explain why none of my posts were deleted (if there was a problem, there would have been deletions); I wasn't told about any breach of the rules; and all my attempts to contact them were ignored. Add to this, the results of scamadvisor, the lack of any confirmation when the redeem button is pressed, the hundreds of complaints from honest and credible hubbers, authors, and journalists... and you have to start asking questions.

      It's not as simple as receiving one or two payments and concluding they're an honest company. I defended them and "spread the word" when they paid me the 1st time. They got me marketing for them. I fell for it, so I understand why people defend them.

      Case in point, are you really suggesting that sending Bubblews multiple emails justifies them not paying people? Just to clarify what I said in the hub, I sent them two messages; a week apart. After not getting a reply, I deleted all my posts.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for your experience Nikki. Like me, you've gotten your first payment. I think you're wise to express caution from now on. Good luck with getting the next payment. Please, let me know how it goes. Cheers.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Lovebuglena, Bubblews seem to have really earned your confidence in them. Perhaps they will keep paying you. They don't treat everyone exactly the same, and I've heard stories from a few people who keep getting paid. Some of them appear to be honest writers who aren't marketing the site all over twitter and google+ with blatant sales-jargon. But, if they stop paying you, please remember this hub and let us know. The more experiences we collate, the clearer the picture becomes.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting janderson99, It does appear to be a bit of a Ponzi scheme. Undoubtedly, they use stolen earnings from some writers to ensure high returns for others. Word of mouth guarantees that the paid investors bring in a whole new population of people to scam. As ever, the good publicity outweighs the bad because people `want' to believe that a quick buck can be made.

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      Zin 3 years ago

      I was one of the member who used to get paid. Then suddenly they stopped paying me. I thought maybe I broke some rules.

      But after few days I got paid again that proved I never had broken any rule. Then I started asking my pending payment. Since then they never paid me again. I have 11 pending payments now, owing them 300 dollars.

      Do I need to sue them? I want to do something.

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      Jemuel 3 years ago from Cebu, Philippines

      It seems that more and more people are signing up for Bubblews hoping to earn some quick money. They don't know that Bubblews is playing a trick on them. There are several users who complain about unpaid redemptions - one reason I consider it as scam.

      Thank you for making this experiment. This will serve as an eye opener. This will also tell me not to make any further post on their site.

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      JanMurray 3 years ago

      Hi Thomas, I like this hub and there seems to be no explanation for your non-payment, except that they did not want to pay you the residual earnings that your posts generated. I cannot see any excuse that they could come up with to justify non-payment.

      I also find it amazing that they have not been sued yet or a class action has not been brought against them. I do know of one writer whose solicitor advised to send an official demand for payment via registered mail. According to this writer, someone refused to sign for the registered letter, I am assuming it was sent back to the writer.

      For those who have not gotten paid, your best option in my opinion is to email them everyday and politely request to be paid what you are owed. There are many people talking about going to the media and perhaps they should, however I also know of many writer who are getting paid most of the time and they are not working for this site. I do agree that there might be shills on the site, however I also think that number is very low.

      What stands out for me is the pattern of people who receive one, two or may be three payments and then miss a payment, never to be paid again. The number of people this is happening to is huge. There are people who have been there since the site started whose payments just stopped and because they have contributed a huge amount of content the residual income alone is huge, they may never see that money and I believe they realize this and have their accounts deleted, so as to start fresh, however the same pattern emerges, one or two payments go through fine and then it becomes hit and miss. It is like buying a lottery ticket.

      For those people who are getting paid without problems, that's great for you, however many people are being ripped off and it's not only theft of the writer's work, it is fraud. As another hubber said recently, that to speak freely about the site's negative things will get your account banned. So much for free speech. Thank you Thomas for putting your experiment in writing and showing other's, so that people will not waste precious time with this site.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Zin. It's quite common for Bubblews to stop paying people if they complain about anything. It's their way of censoring dissent without having to do anything, and it deters others from complaining.

      I'm not sure what you can do because I haven't tried to sue them. Just the cost of calling America would take much of my potential reward away from me. I'm also sure that the frustration wouldn't be worth it.

      You can try going to whois.com and finding details on how to contact bubblews by phone or post, though as someone said above, that might prove difficult. The best thing you can do is to spread the word about how Bubblews has scammed you (and many others). If people are deterred from using the site, they'll lose more than they ever took from you.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      It's my pleasure JemuelO, I'm happy to have saved you from wasting any more time there. I agree that the way Bubblews tricks people is sad. They're employing common scammer tactics to turn people into marketers before scamming them. As someone said above, it really does resemble a Ponzi scheme. Thanks for commenting.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for your support Jan. I was also trying to unearth a legitimate reason for why they didn't pay me. There simply isn't one that's plausible beyond "the site was broken" and frankly, that isn't an excuse anyway.

      That's some useful information about the letter being sent to them (and back). In a way, it just confirms what most of us now suspect, that they're going to dodge paying people until the pressure gets too high. Then, I expect they'll disappear without a trace.

      They probably set up spam-rules to stop people constantly emailing them like that. You'd just be lining their virtual recycle bin. However, I believe it's worth writing and disseminating our reviews of the site far and wide. If enough people hear that it's a scam, the site will die out quicker. If there is a get together of writers though, count me in!

      I agree that some people do genuinely get paid all the time. Bubblews can't treat everyone the same. They'd be found out quickly otherwise, and Bubblews needs a few success stories to cite/market when things get difficult. There are definitely shills though. I'm surprised that "Alea Din" hasn't posted here yet, though he probably knows I'll just delete his comments. That Adrienne Jenkins mentioned above also seems to be one.

      I think the pattern of being paid more at the start is the general formula for how Bubblews works. This gets people to market the site to their friends and family, bringing in more suckers. Like a Ponzi scheme, kinda. Of course, some never get paid, and some are paid all the time, but on average, the pattern of being paid only at the start seems to be the norm.

      Thanks again for your useful and thoughtful comment.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @Thomas, I am a rather principle guy and this is what I wrote to Bubblews today through the contact page (http://www.bubblews.com/contact) I will watch my Paypal account the coming days. If nothing happens shall we have fun and start a platform where people can join us? What do you think? :)

      Dear reader,

      Herewith you receive a reminder of three still unpaid redemptions, August 21st, August 26th and August 31st, together $75,-.

      You can send the payment to my Paypal account under this e-mail address.

      I revealed your website as a fraud. You can read it on my Hubpage, that attracts tons of viewers. I am willing to delete this Hub, after payment of the unpaid bills on my Paypal account. I make no empty promises like your company.

      If not I will calculate interest starting from the 1st of December, 2013. The height of the interest of the unpaid bills will be 1% per month.

      My other promise is that if this three unpaid bills remain unpaid, I will gather followers to sew Bubblews. In this case I will sink Bubblews one day. This is my other promise to you.

      For you to choose.

      With kind regards,

      xxxxxx

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      I just came back for a reread and to see what comments you are getting on this Hub. I am truly sorry people are not getting paid, but I maintain they are not getting paid because they have broken one or more of the rules.

      I see many Bubbles where the photos are not attributed, and I think to myself: Gee this poster is going to wonder why they are not getting paid! That's just one example. I have read posts that I clearly recognize as a Hub!! Some folks think they can recycle a published Hub. You cannot copy content even from yourself!

      I have absolutely NO problem being paid from Bubblews.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Buildreps....I can understand your disgust & disappointment, but I would like to comment on a couple of things.......Question, first..Why do you address the "contact" page of bubblews, by Dear READER?? WE bubblers are the writers and readers......those who run Bubblews and pay us are the Administration.

      Also, all due respect, I realize that English is your second language....but if you wish to threaten legal action......you claim you will "SUE" them......if you "sew" them, you'll merely be putting a few stitches in them. It appears if you are unpaid, you want to do more harm than a few stitches......yes?

      Finally.....I believe you will find that sometimes, things are simply what they are. In this case, there may be any number of reasons that bubblers are not being paid. Bubblews is relatively new.

      I believe we need to be alert and aware in protecting ourselves. When we become dissatisfied, we need to make our own decision to walk away. I have yet to even reach $25.00. When I do, of course, like everyone else, I will expect pmt. If I do not receive said pmt......I have lost only some time and had more writing experience.....and I will simply not waste my time on Bubblews again. I really think it's that simple.

      Oh...and just one more thing.....Bubbles don't sink....they float. But they CAN be popped. Having their Bubble popped may scare them a bit more, since it's realistic. Peace to you.....Paula Jay

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @Paula: Oeps, English is my second language :) On the other hand - they will have a good laugh at Bubblews of this nice mistake. 'Sue' and 'sew' in my language is nearly the same, only 'sew' is more rude:) Oh well, better a good laugh than a long cry. Arvind Dixit contacted me. It was the first time I got any feedback from Bubblews. It now became quiet again, as usual. Perhaps afterall I'll have to 'sew' them.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Actually Maarten....I'd prefer to be sued rather than sewn ("sewed," would be incorrect, BTW) I'm fearful of surgical procedures!

      You must be special to hear from Arvind? Yes? LOL!

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I have edited the page to include more information about why Bubblews pay people in the beginning. So there's a section entitled "The Convincer Payment" now. I have also added Derek Ayre's experience (hubpages author) to the page. It's awfully familiar! It was posted in the comments on buildreps hub.

      Buildreps, it's incredible that you got a response this time. Perhaps threats can work. Let me know if you succeed. I will happily join any group you want to form, but insofar as doing any more work on the matter, this hub is my contribution to the debate. 25 dollars isn't enough to motivate me beyond that.

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      BadCompany77 3 years ago

      They paid me the first 3 times then started missing payments, they are deff a scam and if you want deleted write a post called "Bubblews is a Scam" and you will be deleted within an hour, worked f0r me ; )

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      Even though I'd heard the stories about "lost" payments and so forth, I gave Bubblews a try anyway, against my better judgment... and it turned out pretty much how I expected. I never even got my first payment, which I applied for nearly 60 days ago.

      Screw that site. If coughing up a lousy 28 bucks and change is going to break them, they can have it. I hope they choke on it.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      Absolutely brilliant analysis. I'm surprised the major Shill hasn't been here bleating how you 'Broke the Rules!" and attacking your article.

      A friend of mine did the exact same thing, and posted this advice on another site. Get the 1st Payout and then do nothing at all whatsoever. The slight difference in your advice to hers is that she made the bulk of her first payout by reading and commenting and liking other articles so that she had posted about 20 items to make that first $25.

      Although she has long since qualified for her second and third 'redemption' she hasn't bothered to request them.

      She had been paid that first redemption on 'extracts' of articles posted elsewhere so considers that she scammed the Scammer.

      Yah, I wish I would hv thought of that.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting BadCompany77. Your experience is very common and matches the profile written about in this hub. That's some good advice about how to get deleted!

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Cheers for the comment FatFreddysCat. I've seen your posts on the forums so I know you're an intelligent guy who wouldn't knowingly or accidentally break Bubblews' rules. Not getting paid at all is rarer than getting paid once, though plenty of other authors have reported similar experiences in the comments. I would say you're one of the unlucky ones, though, at least you got to realize quicker than most of us that the site is a scam.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Cheers qeyler! I enjoyed your hub about it too. It helped me to realize that my experience is very common. I think I know which shill you're talking about (Alea Din?). That guy seems to have visited every hub, blog or article on the web to spout his promotional garbage. I've confronted him enough for him to know better about commenting here though :)

      Your friend should probably try to request those payments anyway, just to see what happens. I don't think she has anything to lose. Always fun to scam the scammer though. Those of us with a strong sense of justice will always do that! For me, I just write, comment, and do all I can to get the word out. I'm happy and content that they've lost more by my actions than the 25 dollars they stole.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I think more people should appreciate that first 'free' taste' and take the money and run. Hopefully enough people will read your article (as well as others) and protect themselves. Sooner or later The Bubble will burst.

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      ^^ I would've been fine with taking that first payment and running... But it never came!

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I am also a Bubblews victim. I am owed three 'redemptions' dating back to September 9, 2013. I never received the 'convincer', but, being the nice, understanding person that I am, believed the apparent delay was due to the impossibly heavy workload Bubblews claimed to be experiencing.

      This hub is quite enlightening. I wasn't that terribly sociable on Bubblews, which could account for my non-payment. I didn't share my posts on Facebook, either, since I'd hate my friends to know I'd been writing on such a low quality site. Perhaps, because of this, Bubblews realized from the start that I wasn't going to gain them any new victims, hence my not even receiving the 'convincer'.

      I deleted my posts on November 30, 2013. Bubblews had been earning from them until then. The minus sum that now displays in my 'bank' would be the amount owed to me if in plus.

      Because I feel victimized, I have reported Bubblews to the FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) for fraud. Anyone from anywhere in the world can file a complaint, and the more people who do, the better. I've posted details of how to file a complaint here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/118579

      It seems Bubblews finances itself through Google ads, so I'm wondering if Google might still be unaware of Bubblews' shady business practices. Any thoughts?

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      Nimesh De Silva 3 years ago

      Well, I see your point. But the "convincer" does not apply to all Bubblews members, because they have been paying me for 5 redemptions now. So 'convincer' is out the back door. I've always had a positive experience with Bubblews. I can prove the redemptions if you don't believe me. But in the future if they deny even a single payment of mine, I'll join your club. Until then I'm team Bubblews. :P

      Here's my experience:

      https://hubpages.com/money/My-Experience-on-Bubble...

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      weekend 3 years ago

      @ Nimesh De Silva

      "Of course, not everyone will be treated exactly the same. Some will never get paid, while others get paid all the time. If Bubblews scammed everyone in the same way, they'd be figured out pretty quickly. Based on the experiences collated above and the comments below, `pay first but not later' appears to be the norm, but not the rule."

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for the recent comments. Yes, it's worth clarifying that there are a variety of non-payment experiences. I suspect they employ an algorithm that factors in a lot of different data before deciding when to pay people. The base condition is probably "pay once, then no more", with a degree of variation to make their strategy less transparent. Other factors will be: level of activity on the site, number of shares, number of followers, if someone keeps writing after not being paid, the number of emails they send, and possibly even location. I expect people outside the US get paid less because their language (usually) isn't as good, and because it's harder for them to bring about legal action.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Hey weekend, thanks for your comment and advice. Not being sociable or sharing your posts might have reduced their incentive to give you the first payment, but like I said above, there's probably still some degree of randomness to it.

      Reporting them through that link is a good idea for anyone with proof. The problem for many people I suspect (and for me) is that the moment you hit redeem, Bubblews deletes all record of you having any money with them. There's no confirmation email either, so unless you take a screenshot, you're stuck without the "paper evidence" that the FBI asks for. One thing you could try is getting Bubblews to implicate themselves. That depends on successfully contacting Bubblews (very difficult) and getting them to acknowledge that you reached 25 dollars and hit redeem.

      I didn't know they use Google ads. I thought they had particular "ad providers". Perhaps using Google's complaints procedure would be a good idea. I might try that.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I've tried to contact Bubblews about a million times through all its various channels, but to no avail. The policy seems to be ignorance.

      It's worth lodging a complaint with the FBI even if you don't have concrete proof. The sheer number of complaints could move them to investigate, with or without evidence. My only proof is a screenshot of the minus sum showing up in my 'bank', which is obviously a reflection of the plus sum I have earned.

      The ads I see on Bubblews in my corner of the world seem to be by Google. Could you let us know if you find out otherwise? I'm sure Google wouldn't be happy if they knew they were tarnishing their reputation by showing their ads on such a scammy site.

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      Brian Loewer 3 years ago from Portland, Oregon

      The only problem is that if Bubblews pays me 5 out of ten times, I still make money there than I do at Hubpages.

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      LVidoni5, .....& your ok with getting paid 50% of the time? If you put in the work, you should be compensated. Hub-pages pays every time, on time.

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      Brian Loewer 3 years ago from Portland, Oregon

      Alphadogg. I'm really not ok with it, but I have to play what I'm delt. Here I make $25 in 7 weeks, there I make it in seven days. I hate it, but unpredictable fools still pay way more per word when it comes down to it.

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      I guess you have a point. Money is money. My issue is determining which are pay worthy & which are not. I don't write on Bubblews, but from my understanding you have to be very active/spend a lot of time on there to even consider being paid.

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      Brian Loewer 3 years ago from Portland, Oregon

      Alphadogg you're right about the time . That's why I use them for sit and click earnings. Hubpages is more about SEO, the good stuff. Who doesn't love quality? It's just that sometimes quality doesn't sell. Bubblews wants the cheap stuff.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      The point is, if you know the bubble doesn't pay everyone and you just happen to fall in the lucky batch ofthosewho are paid,you take the $$ and run. Don't spend your days trying to trick others into joining.

      There's an article on this which has been infested by shills roping in more fodder for the Bubble. Those people are more evil than even the owner of bubblews

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Everyone, I have finally managed to get through to Bubblews, and they've offered to pay my unpaid earnings. I'm still very skeptical of their intentions, and I wonder if they just want me to take this hub down. To see if this offer extends to everyone, I urge you all to follow these instructions about unpaid redemptions:

      1. Email: Support@bubblews.com

      2. Subject Line: Backpending redemption help + username

      3. In the email, give your username again, explain what you're owed, when you requested it, how many times you tried to contact them, what happened with your account (did you delete your posts? Was the account deleted?), and most importantly, provide the email address associated with your paypal account so that they can send your payment immediately.

      Please let me know what happens. If Bubblews are trying to change their ways, it might be worth changing this hub accordingly.

      I'm still skeptical, but it's worth a go. I'll keep this hub as it is until my payment is confirmed. Whatever happens, I'll report it in a truthful manner.

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      Thanks for the tips. I'll give them a shot but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for a response.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      Sent about 40 'nice' email requesting. Had several stock replies. I even had one which said that my account was checked ond OK and that the payment section had been contacted. But no payment received. My account lies in limbo. It's a true blue Ponzi. Moving on!

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      OMG I just got paid!!!!!! email to Support@bubblews.com seemed to work a treat, WTF WOW POP

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      Brian Loewer 3 years ago from Portland, Oregon

      Looks like people are starting to get paid… just late and with some effort. They're 1 for 1 with me so far.

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      OK, here goes nothin'... I just contacted their Support using the template you provided above. If it gets any results I'll give a shout.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      That's great news janderson99, and I hope it works for you too FatFreddysCat. Of course, we have to wait until the payments are out of pending before praising them for turning a new leaf.

      This also proves that many who weren't being paid were not rule breakers, criminals, or stupid people (though most of us already knew that). Bubblews clearly had some serious faults for a long time, and it's impossible to say if those faults were intentional or accidental. If they do repay everyone, perhaps they can be given the benefit of the doubt.

      We can thank the hubpages author "buildreps" for finding that email address above. I just followed his lead. He's talked with the owner of Bubblews. Apparently, this offer of reimbursement expires in February 2014, so claims should be made before then.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I have contacted them at least 10 times, and they have written me at least 6 times. And I have gotten NOOOOOO money. It is over Six Months of back and forth.

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      Amazingly enough, I had an email from Bubblews waiting for me when I woke up this AM. It appears that they still have a problem with sending me an actual check (as per my request), cuz they asked me if I would consider getting a PayPal account to speed up the process. (Again I ask: if they don't want to send checks, why do they offer the "send me a check" option?)

      I will wait until I'm sufficiently caffeinated before deciding how to respond...

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Qeyler, I think this new offer might be quite recent. Janderson also had a lot of past communication with Bubblews, but when he tried this new template for contacting them, it seemed to work. I think it's worth one more email.

      FatFreddysCat, I'm not sure why they offer that option if they don't honor it. If they've acknowledged that you should be paid, and the option is there for a paper check, you could probably demand it. You would have proof that they owe you now. Still, the paypal option would probably give you a better chance of actually receiving your money.

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      I'm thinking about it...

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      weekend 3 years ago

      This sounds like great news. I've just emailed Bubblews using the template, so let's see what happens.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      This probably sounds really stupid, but I'm now worried that I filled out the subject line incorrectly: 'Backpending Redemption Help User Name: VicA.'. Should I have used the + symbol and left out 'User Name'? Suppose I'll find out if they don't reply.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      I guess you'll be ok, weekend, this '+' shouldn't be decisive. Keep us informed.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Could be if they're using a filter, maybe ... I often worry unnecessarily. :-)

      Yes, I'll keep you informed.

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      Cuttler 3 years ago from HubPages

      joined it saw the comments and complaints guys were making and opted out of it. Reading your article, I bet I made the right choice, This is vital information, Thanks for sharing.

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      David Gitachu 3 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      I joined out of curiosity and posted 7 articles. I had made $1.75 the last time I checked, but am not able to log in for the last 24 hrs. After reading your hub, I am convinced that this is a scam that will not go away soon. Do you know what attracted me to the site? The fact that I can make $1 in a very short time- I am yet to make that much after 2 months at HP.

      There will always be desperate people who are lured by the promise to earn something from a site like Bubblews. Remember that Pyramid Schemes always pop up after a short lull despite evidence that they never work. I guess the owners of the site are already running similar scams all over the internet.

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      Kevin W 3 years ago from Texas

      I did the same thing as cutler, joined & saw all the complaints & opted out. Never wrote anything for them.

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      Nimesh De Silva 3 years ago

      Just thought of sharing something I saw on a Bubblews post. It said that he didn't receive the first payment but did receive the second and third and all payments afterwards. Just saying.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      cuttler, gitachud, and Alphadogg16, you were probably right to stay clear of Bubblews when you did. However, in the last few days they've offered to pay me what I'm owed. They seem to be paying back a lot of other people now too. So Bubblews might be trying to `right the wrongs' of their recent past. That might suggest the past problems were accidental rather than intentional, though it still wouldn't be any excuse. If my payment clears, I'll be updating this hub a bit.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Nimesh, please read the reply to your previous comment. I believe you're referring the the user `mbuggieh'? I even talked to him in your hub comments I think. That conversation is one of the reasons I wrote the paragraph that was quoted by the user `weekend' in reply to your previous comment here.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      24 hours later and I still haven't received a reply from Bubblews. But my account still exists complete with post. Am I invisible to them?

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Would wait a bit longer, then maybe try with the recommended subject line. Perhaps there is a filter, or maybe they're just getting floods of requests now that the word is getting about, and they genuinely are swamped. Or, maybe they really aren't paying everyone back, we'll see. BTW it's the weekend now, so they probably won't deal with much until Monday.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I'll wait until Tuesday. This is kind of the way I was thinking when my first two redemptions didn't come through--wait until Monday, or maybe Tuesday, they're probably busy etc. etc.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @weekend, repost your e-mail Monday morning with "Backpending Redemption Help + VicA". Arvind is making his weekend trips, I guess. I am (nearly) sure they won't miss your request.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I'll do that. I don't know why I didn't use the correct subject line from the start. Actually, I thought it just meant 'plus (+) your username'. I thought again when it was too late.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      I put my full account URL to replace "+VicA"

      .......Help - http://www.bubblews.com/account/99999-xxxx

      (number-9999 and name xxxx)

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Then the wrong '+VicA.' part of the line shouldn't have made any difference. Maybe it's the period after the 'A', although I explain that in the email. Anyway, I'll try again on Monday, and refer to my account URL in the body of the email.

      I'm very sceptical, though.

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      Scottie Futch 3 years ago from North Carolina

      I can't speak for anyone but me. However, if you failed to receive a redemption sometime there could be any number of reasons. Claiming that they are a scam, flat out, is understandable if you don't think that you broke any rules.

      The most common reasons that people aren't paid are violations of rule 2, and server issues. I know this for a fact because the second reason is why I had a missing payment for a month. If any of you missed payments in August (I won't tell you the exact day, but if you keep records like me then you'll know when you redeemed) then there was a weekend there that the servers crashed repeatedly. A lot of people had redemption issues and many who worked on it got paid back.

      The violation of rule 2 is the most common rule violation, and the one most likely to be done without you realizing. The whole like/comment/view ring thing.

      Did you (anyone reading this who was not paid) write (connected, connect back, come see me, or anything similar on other people's profiles after connecting?)

      Did you join in any tagging games.. you know where you tag five people, and they tag five more people, and so on till there are dozens of tagged names at the bottom of posts?

      Did you join any groups or forums where people get together to 'share their posts'?

      You violated rule 2.

      Even if you see fifty-thousand other people doing it, they have to right to ban anyone they want for a rules violation. They now cite the exact rule you broke on one of the staff member profiles. They have cracked down on spammers, serial dislikers, and others. If you honestly did not violate any rules at all, even in spirit if not the letter of the rule, then you are in the unhappy minority of people who fell through the cracks.

      The list of deleted and banned accounts is growing and there are several obvious reasons why. (spam, scammers who try to use tricky methods of view baiting, like and comment rings, and so on.)

      My first days on Bubblews occurred as an experiment much like this one. I decided that Bubblews was not a scam, but it has many issues and growing pains. I receive payment every time, save for the one time that got fixed, and I routinely redeem 3 -5 times per week now.

      If this changes in the future I will mention it, but for now Bubblews has done right by me. I let people speak freely on my hub "Is Bubblews a Scam." Some cry out against it. Others rally to its defense. Either way, they have the right to say their experiences.

      I am sorry to read that yours has been so abysmal. Mine has been largely excellent. Most of the people I have known since the days I started there are still around. A few fell to tagging game issues not realizing that was a view ring sort of deal, and a few others had issues that aren't explained. Most are still there though.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Omg, Scottie Futch. You're one 'echelon' higher than the dummies that tried to convince us before. I really appreciate your worries to point out we are a bunch of 'manipulative' fools who are still too stupid to obey 8 simple rules. Well, probably you're right - I must be a fool, because I just drowned in your ocean of text. You wrote this goody-goody Hub about Bubblews, wasn't it?

      By the way, my Hub 2.0 about Bubblews is under construction and will blow all readers off their feet. I figured out the truth myself and gathered the proof. Tell your boss I am still waiting for proper answers.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I hope Thomas deletes his comment. He's written something similar on a forum thread, too.

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      David Gitachu 3 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      Has anyone posed to think the kind of promotion you are giving the site? Like they say in showbiz "any publicity is good publicity". Do a Google trends search for Bubblews and you will see how the search term has sky-rocketed in the month of December 2013.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Definitely, gitachud. You're right, but to be silence is even a worse option.

      No, please @Thomas keep the comment of Scotty. I was just going to my long conversation with AJD and I saw our friend Scottie is fed with new unverifiable ammunition: The (alleged) violation of rules - especially rule 2 - Dummies that work together.

      I quote AJD (don't drown):

      "Bubblews grew to about 150,000 members, and most of that growth happened within 4 month time period. Naturally, any company that grows this fast is bound to have its fair share of issues. Is this an excuse? Of course not.. but continue to hear me out..

      Because our system is the simplest and most fair out there right now, many many people try to scam our system. We are talking hundreds of people per day try to scam our system, which clogs up our small staff, which is small so that we can ensure we give the most to our members, with having to weed these people out which also tends to get a few (maybe 5% ) of legit accounts tangled up in the mix. There are many people who also blatantly try to scam our system utilizing bots, IP manipulation, click circles, what have you and then when they do not get paid from us - they write bad things about us.

      One quick solution we have been implementing is adding on any past redemption that any good member may have to their newer redeems. We also have been bolstering our staff which will allow us to sift through everything much faster and efficiently. We are also going to incorporate an automatic payment system for those members that have been verified to be good.

      A thing to keep in mind also is that when we delete a member, we must also forfeit the earnings and do not receive that many from our advertiser's budget. We take rule breaking very seriously because they do too. "

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      weekend 3 years ago

      "There are many people who also blatantly try to scam our system utilizing bots, IP manipulation, click circles, what have you and then when they do not get paid from us - they write bad things about us."

      That's what they'd like people to believe.

      I didn't break any rules and certainly didn't attempt to scam their system in any way, shape or form. That's why I am so angry about not being paid. Most, if not all, of those I've noticed who are saying 'bad things' are in pretty much the same position as me.

      Anyway, this AJD, whoever that may be, is just trying to twist the truth.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Scottie, please stop implying that we're imbeciles, spammers, or criminals. As I already explained in the hub, I wrote 70 bubblews, got paid, then didn't write, like, or comment anywhere on the site. I just let the money build up. So when they didn't pay my second redemption, I knew I hadn't broken a rule. That was what convinced me they were a scam. That, and the ignored attempts to contact them about it.

      Also, if you'd been following the comments, you'd know that Bubblews are now promising to pay a number of people what they're owed (including me). In a way, that proves there was no excuse for not paying us originally.

      What confuses me is, if they checked their records and saw that I was owed money, why are they only now admitting to having those records? Those records were there the whole time - showing that they owed me money. Even so, I had to email them to get them to pay it! (though it's still pending; not confirmed yet).

      I look forward to your next hub Buildreps. Interesting answer from AJD. As expected, it's the "we were so overworked that we forgot to pay people" excuse.

      Weekend, I don't think I'll delete his comment. People can be free to write what they like. If they're a blatant promoter/marketer/shill, I'll usually just expose them for what they are. After looking at his Scottie's activity over the past 8 weeks, I'm not seeing anything unrelated to Bubblews, so that certainly makes me skeptical. Then there's that "interview" with the founder in which no difficult questions were asked. It's pretty clear what "court" he's playing in.

      gitachud, I wouldn't say that bad publicity helps the site. The more people who know that Bubblews withholds earnings without explanation, ignores emails, and deletes accounts, the better.

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      David Gitachu 3 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      Thomas Swan, I totally agree with you. However, the opposite of what you intend to achieve happens because humans are naturally curious and want to find out for themselves what the fuss is all about- often to their detriment.

      What attracted me at first was the thought that I could earn more from a rubbish post than I could from 20 quality hubs. The lure of money will always be a driving force.

      I suspect that Bubblews is a very advanced AI system that was programmed to take advantage of human greed. That is why there is no semblance of a customer service desk.

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      Scottie Futch 3 years ago from North Carolina

      I'm not implying that everyone who has issues with Bubblews is any of the things that you have cited. I had my own issues with the site. As for my activity here on hubpages, I only come here infrequently because I can't earn anything here. The only reason I found your hub here and commented was that I ran across another hub, that mentioned this one.

      As for my interview with the CEO, it was done LAST YEAR, prior to all these issues people cite. I have lost several good friends on the site because they have had issues and left. I kept in touch with one or two of them because we had exchanged Twitter and what not, but otherwise I don't even know if some of them survived the typhoon in the philipines.

      You say not to make it seem like those who were not paid are imbeciles, scammers, spammers, criminals.. well I really hate to burst YOUR bubble, but a lot of them ARE. You show evidence that you are one of the people who had legitimate issues with the site and its staff and did not get paid. If you're the kind of person who automatically assumes that everyone who did not get paid is a saint then I'm sorry I ever popped in here.

      I don't do any apologizing for Bubblews. Whatever Karma they earn is on them. I have way too many places to write in this world to be some champion of justice for a site that I am not affiliated with beyond member status. However, when people insist that long term members are SHILL ( which by the way is calling ME a criminal since a shill is PAID and KNOWS they are being paid, to lie and swindle people) or IGNORANT, or some other asinine term that belittles us because we're 'the lucky few' who get paid.

      You talk smack about people who have been there for a long time and then get all huffy when I point out that you're basically trash talking people who aren't doing anything but actually using the site and getting paid.

      The only reason I haven't deleted everything from hubpages is that people find MY post and find an EVEN HANDED hub that cites that I am being paid but there are many issues. People are free to say EXACTLY what they experienced without someone making snide remarks and being bashed by the original author.

      If you did right, and did not get paid, then you are definitely entitled to any legal action you can come up with. however, trying to label everyone who has been there longer than five minutes and gets paid frequently as 'shills' or 'deluded cheerleading foorls' or whichever term you choose is a hateful thing. Hate Bubblews if they wronged you, but slamming people over the net because they don't have your issues is wrong.

      Feel free to delete this comment. I have no interest in returning to this hub again. It's obvious that anyone who says anything negative about the site is obviously a saint and should be trusted regardless of their circumstances.

      It makes sense, since you had issues there and were not paid. I had the opposite experience and my own bias colors my judgment as well.

      You have surrounded yourself with people crying out against the site. If you can't take their comments with a grain of salt despite your own experiences, even while you speak ill of supposed shills that you judge based solely on your own bias, then you are definitely the first thing you claimed I insinuated people are.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Well that comment from Scottie took a strange turn. Seemed nice, then descended into an offensive rage.

      Scottie, you only need to read my comment again to know that I didn't call you a shill. I said that all your recent activity on Hubpages is to do with Bubblews. It's all you seem to talk about here, and that (rightly) makes me skeptical of your motives. In the comments above, many other people have said that they're getting paid. I haven't called them shills and I would never accuse them of that unless I had a very good reason to. I don't "label everyone who has been there longer than five minutes and gets paid frequently as shills". I didn't even call you a shill. So I would ask that you don't misrepresent what I've said on my own hub.

      I see that at the end of your diatribe you've concluded that I'm an imbecile, spammer, or criminal when you say this: "then you are definitely the first thing you claimed I insinuated people are." You should probably learn some manners. I won't delete your comment. In fact, I will leave it up in all it's glory so everyone can see it. If you'd like to come back to clarify what you meant, you're more than welcome.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Good work Scotty, like I said you're an echelon higher or even two. Clever done. I discovered the truth behind Bubblews and soon it will be out in the open.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      This Scottie Futch has been popping up all over HubPages this evening to defend Bubblews. I've no idea why he should be doing that if he's not a shill. I know several people who have absolutely no problem with Bubblews--not a single missed payment--yet they're not popping up left right and center in Bubblews' defense. They actually realize that something must be terribly wrong at Bubblews, otherwise countless people like me wouldn't be facing the problem of non-payment.

      Thomas has not surrounded himself with 'people crying out against the site'. The discussion is about addressing and trying to solve a problem. The problem is that Bubblews is not paying contributors although they have not broken Bubblews' rules and have not attempted to game the system.

      If this Scottie Futch doesn't have an issue with Bubblews, has no helpful advice on how to solve the non-payment problem, or can't offer a genuine theory as to why people haven't been paid, what's the sense of him commenting here? It makes no sense at all--unless he's a shill, of course.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      You're a faithful employee Scotty, I respect that - thanks for tossin' your boss our message. Answers on our questions come Wednesday dear hubbers.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Still no reply from Bubblews, which doesn't surprise me. I've sent another email, but this time with the recommended subject line and reference to my user profile URL.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I've actually received a reply:

      "We do apologize for this. We will look into what happened with those redemption [sic] and be sure to clear them if it was a mistake on our end. We really do appreciate the patience"

      Ummm ... does this mean that if they don't think it's a mistake at their end, they're not going to pay me? Is it possible to click the 'redeem' button wrongly?

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      I am one of the lucky ones, I have consistently been paid since I joined in July (a number of payments now), that said I do think the site needs to get its act together and start responding to emails and paying those who did nothing wrong. I honestly don't know what is going on, but as long as they keep paying I will keep writing there, but if I miss a payment with no explanation I will be equally on the warpath.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      One of the weird one on the listing for crimes on the BubblewsSupport2 page is for "Violation: TOU - Intellectual Property". Essentially my guess is that people have included a screen shot of their 'bank' statement, or some other image from the site in a post on the Bubblews site. This is against the rules! Very Strange, but True! For that all their payments have been forfeited.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I have added Vampirate's experience to the "common scam" section because it is very familiar.

      My payment is due to be confirmed today, so I'll report if that actually goes through or not.

      weekend, I got a similar apology before they sent my payment, so hopefully you'll get your money soon.

      Thanks for commenting misty. That's a common approach to Bubblews, and I can respect that.

      Janderson, I've seen that too, and it almost made me refrain from putting that screenshot of my "negative money" in this hub. I never did that in my bubbles though. It's a very strange violation, because the intent is often harmless and even flattering to the site. It wouldn't surprise me if Bubblews have used it to deny people their earnings though. I'm not even sure if they can legally make that a violation. There's a degree of "fair use" for things like that. If someone was using the Bubblews images for commecial reasons, then maybe that would be unfair use... but not what most people are doing / have done.

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 3 years ago from Philippines

      Thank you for this hub. I keep hearing about this or that site, bubblews among them. I tried one, and decided early on that it wasn't worth it. I appreciate the very definitive tone you take on affirming that Bubblews is a scam and the way you removed all your articles as a result. Hope others who were scammed do the same thing. I also hope more people who feel like they are being scammed decide to write about it the way you did, as a fair warning.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      My pleasure grand old lady. Bubblews seem to be changing their act now, so maybe this hub had an effect. Now that I've finally gotten paid, I have updated the hub with two new sections prefaced by "UPDATE".

      I've even toned down some of the Bubblews is a scam talk. I'm still very skeptical though because if they can verify that I was owed money, why did they wait 10 weeks to send it, and why did I have to contact them? How many other people are they withholding money from that haven't contacted them yet? Plenty of people like me would have just given up by now, and if I hadn't seen the advice that I've copied at the end of this hub (thanks to buildreps), I'd still be owed money probably - and bubblews would still know that they owe it to me.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I haven't yet received further notification of payment, neither from Bubblews nor Paypal. How long did you wait, Thomas, after receiving the first email from Bubblews?

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      My payment from "a certain site that starts with B" has cleared and is in my PayPal account. Wow. The system actually works.

      Thanks to Buildreps and everyone else in this thread who encouraged me to make one last try at getting satisfaction from them, because I was about ready to give up.

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      Colleen Swan 3 years ago from County Durham

      This is good news that some payments are now being made. I stopped using the B when this hub went up. I will give the B another try.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Well, actually Bubblews is a kind of scam. Bubblews is a huge marketing machine (the wet dream of every marketeer) that installs TrubalFusion Spyware on your computer. My newest Hub explains how it works and when you're being 'popped' again (or neglected). There are huge popping actions happening on Bubblews every six months. It's an ingenious marketing campaign. The more cookies you leave on your computer, the more information is 'stolen' from you. Imagine Bubblers Bubbling the most private things about themselves, that's pure gold. It is sold as 'leads' to companies. They make profiles of Bubblers, together with their connections and comments everywhere. Ingenious, Arvind is a smart guy.

      Is it prohibited? Not sure, selling private stuff is walking along the edge of the cliffs. Informing the FBI? I think this is over the top. I'm making a plan how to exploit Bubblews, without selling your soul for a few bucks.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      @weekend After I emailed them on the 5th of December, they replied with an apology after a couple of hours. They sent the e-cheque less than two hours after that. The e-cheque took 5 days to clear in paypal. I was able to withdraw it yesterday evening.

      I don't know why it's not working for you. I suppose it's possible that they're dealing with lots more requests now than they were 6 days ago... but it's difficult to trust Bubblews with that excuse.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      That's great news FatFreddysCat. Seems this is working for most people.

      Colleen, it might be worth rejoining now (if you want to risk it), but there are still a lot of issues with the site. Personally, I find it very difficult to trust them.

      Buildreps, that's very worrying. I look forward to reading your hub about it.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Thank you, Thomas. Looks like I'll have to email them again.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      If they've already replied to apologize to you and to say that they'll look into it, it might be worth waiting a little longer. It's a bit soon to assume they've looked into it and have decided to ignore you, so I wouldn't send them another email yet.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      I just did, but just to ask if they've made any progress. Hope it doesn't prove detrimental.

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      Mona Sabalones Gonzalez 3 years ago from Philippines

      I have a feeling they paid you out of "damage control." But if they paid you, they should have automatically paid everybody else they owe as well to show that they are not a scam. I think they only pay when necessary, to beef up their image to a necessary level, by paying off only those who complain and do real damage to the sight, and ignoring those who don't complain or are too patient or are easily fooled. This kind of damage control allows them to keep the scam going longer and gaining more while they're added. It sounds cynical, I know, but I am aware of other companies that operate in this way.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Yes, I was also concerned that they were just trying to `pay me off'. That's why I'm interested to see if the procedure works for others. A few people have been paid, although weekend is having trouble. Also, I won't delete this hub until I'm certain that the problems with the site are solved. I've had to make some edits to reflect the ongoing situation though.

      You're right though. They should have automatically paid everybody who was owed money because they obviously have records for who didn't receive their payments. There was no way for them to know that I was owed money otherwise.

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      Hi Thomas... I created an account here in Hubpages, just to comment about my experience with bubblews and since I love to write, I'll explore hubpages too :) I ran into your article through another hubber's article and am quite impressed with your efforts to help other people by spreading the word. Quite honestly, I have been bubbling in Bubblews and reached my minimum payout of 25$ on Oct 24. I redeemed and have been waiting for a reply but have received no payment. Furthermore, all my articles are original, above 400 characters and I have used ONLY my pictures as I didn't want to worry about pictures with copyright. My username is Enigma_writing and I have thought about why I haven't been paid. They recently posted a list of accounts scheduled for deletion, but I didn't find my name there either. Therefore, my account is in a limbo and I have no idea what to do. I have emailed support now with the email id you have provided and hopefully, I will be paid. I have also received two responses from them saying they are "reviewing" my account. I will update you with any progress if you are interested and would like to thank you again for this wonderful article :)

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I haven't been paid. No remark from them either. It's a shut up payoff.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      I have supported Bubblews for a long time and have never had the first problem with them, myself. However, it has become increasingly obvious that they are not functioning in an ethical, honest or fair manner. I can see that they are at the beginning of "the big squeeze"...ie...making it increasingly difficult for people to earn there. I put in for my last redeem today and will no longer be writing there. However, I will not close my account...why bother?

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Just to keep you up to date, Thomas--still no word or payment from Bubblews. It seems they might have gone back into ignore modus.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      I think that some sort of legal action has been effective in pulling them into line

      see: http://www.bubblews(DOT)com/news/1802184-bubblewscom-privacy-policy-terms-of-use-and-rules

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      Anonymous 3 years ago

      I completely agree with this post. They play some games, I guess. I have never received any unpaid payment no matter I sent them email many time. I didn’t even received two payment on Juni and July that Arvind promised will be sent on Monday -this is joke, should I ask him what monday he will send it. I have been there since early of 2013 and now Im thinking of taking down my post out of bubblews. Im tired of their paid and unpaid scheme

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      Rfordin 3 years ago from Florida

      Hmmm. I've been paid 5 times in a row without issues. I will admit the 72 hours after hitting the redeem button w/o knowing anything is painful. But once I get the email it's well on its way to my Paypal account. I don't have a HUGE amount of followers (400ish) but enough to keep me happy. With the $50.00 redemption increase though it does make me wonder about if/when I lose a redemption how hard it will be to get.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      This is called a 'bribe'. This is called a 'shut up Thomas cause his Hub is getting too much attention. Those of us who haven't been paid, won't be. I have had lots and lots of 'notifications' from Arvind. he still hasn't paid me. And now he's jacking up the redemption to $50 to cut the complaints in 1/2

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Do you really think, qeyler, we are so easy to change our minds for a few bucks? It's no 'shut up' bribe, finally Bubblews complied with its obligations. A 'shut up bribe' is disproportional compared with the actual obligations. What you're implying is totally not the case. The shift of the payout threshold is a way to finance the expansion, to halve the amount of payments and to catch violators with 'two fingers in the nose'.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      In the 'State of the Brand' statement they virtually admit that they don't have enough staff to review accounts and process payments. "Naturally, we do not want to hire too many new staff, as it will cut back on the amount we can give members (sic),".... so they are raising the minimum to $50 ... "as this will allow the staff more time to review and respond in a timely manner."

      I think this is a huge admission from the company

      Sorry, we cannot pay you, because we don't have enough staff to process the payments - please be patient!

      They state that they are aware of pending back-payments not being paid and provide assurances that they will be paid when they improved their communication. [without extra staff].

      I wonder how they will handle the deluge of rushed $25 redemptions before the cut off on 14 Dec 2013. Too few staff to process these as well!

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      According to my calculations they had to handle in Quarter 3 of 2013 not even 30 redemptions per day average. That's work for one person. They are growing thanks to the non-paid Bubblers, that's clear as daylight. It looks like a one-man-show to me.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Is it possible that the reason so many writers are not being paid is that Bubblews does not have enough money to pay them? Is it possible that the site grew much faster than they thought it would, and they were not financially prepared for the onslaught? Could they be using the "rob Peter to pay Paul" routine to try to keep as many people happy as possible while protecting the company's assets?

      If every writer redeemed at $25 ever time he was able to do so, which can happen quite often, it's not a big stretch to think that Bubblews may be "short" financially. They would not be the first new company to have such a problem.

      They may think that by avoiding payments and giving "breaking the rules" as an excuse, they can fool their writers into thinking they are solvent when they are not.

      Whether this is true or not remains to be seen, but it is worth thinking about.

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      Susannah Birch 3 years ago from Toowoomba, Australia

      So far I've had four payments go through within 2-4 days without a hitch, totaling about $110.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @WryLilt, we are happy for you. But perhaps you should check out your privacy violations, which you're probably totally unaware of. Check out where your own Bubble was redirected to: http://urlquery.net/report.php?id=8395719. I hope you're not upset or angry at me, but the reason why you survive this long is because you're probably good bait.

      @Thomas, I hope you don't mind this comment, otherwise you can 'deny' it.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Buildreps I checked the link you gave to Wrylilt but have no idea as to what all that gobbleydook means. I'd like to clear my own items but have no idea how to do it. My articles are still all online there, but I use very good antivirus and malware programs that show no problems. Please advise asap.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      @TIMETRAVELER2 you cannot catch this part of internet by using anti-virus or malware. It's about cookies, connections and transferring data to other website. This is the core business of Bubblews - pumping your data to somewhere else.

      My advice: Just clean up your cookies daily and don't Bubble too much private stuff. This is no 'gobbleydook' (whatever it means:) but I can guess it) Bubblews simply makes too much connections through internet everywhere to be trustworthy in privacy. If you take a look at the picture of the link provided you see where all connections are going. This is very, very, very unusual for a website. Bubblews is really bad news. Oh, and all your data is already pumped to somewhere else. When was the last time you deleted cookies?

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      I clean my history cache several times daily and cookies are part of that.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      This is good news TIMETRAVELER2. It means you're not so 'valuable', unless you Bubbled (too) much private stuff.

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      Name 3 years ago

      i am always amazed at how stupid people are. Here is a site, set up to scam. The clear evidence is paying forcomments....nosite gets 1c for a omment...so where would the money come from? Use your brains before you type rubbish.....and appreciate... you won't get that $50 payout....

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      hm, this sounds very interesting, Name...perhaps you could reveal us more...instead of just typing your unsubstantiated theory? As long as your kind of people just keep shouting, you'll never become a real threat for scammers like Bubblews...

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      "Name" I have had all my payments without any problem so people do get paid (also many of those who were innocent of any wrongdoing are now getting their unpaid redemptions along with apologies for them having been missed). I must have received at least 10 payments now without issue. The money that is paid out comes from a combination of sources, one of which is of course the adverts and apparently the other is the 'Captcha' used each time anyone submits a post.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      The captcha always had something mysterious to me, like it predicted what I was thinking. Now I understand why this was...

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Apparently the captcha sometimes shows adverts too e.g. Peugeot cars featured on one a friend of mine got. I never seem to get adverts, but it seems some get more than others, so maybe they are targeted ads.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Buildreps I have been careful about sending out too much private info, but yes, I have given some. However, after 4 months on the site without issue I can say that I have had no problems with anybody trying to hack into my accounts, etc. As for being valuable to the site...well...I've been paid regularly for every redeem, and I've had a lot of them. Nonethelss, I have been nervous since the beginning there. Just the thought of working for nothing is upsetting to me.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      I can only speak as I find and I have had all my redemptions paid within the 72 hour time limit. I think I've had 8 or 9. I joined in May 2013 but quickly got bored. I resumed posting in September and have done quite well since.

      Bubblews have, since last Saturday, upped the redemption rate from $25 to $50. This will hopefully give the owners more time to deal with redemptions and respond to non payment issues.

      My personal opinion is some people are too aggressive in their approach to resolving unpaid redemptions. They write unpleasant posts and put them up for all to see. To me, this isn't the way to go.

      However, if my redemptions became irregular and I found I wasn't getting them all paid I would just stop posting. Simples! It's just a hobby for me and if Bubblews disappeared tomorrow I would find something else.

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      Colleen Swan 3 years ago from County Durham

      I think earning $50 and not getting paid is twice worse than $25. What this means is that their money pot will fill soon, and then it will be time to run.

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      Susannah Birch 3 years ago from Toowoomba, Australia

      @Buildreps I don't know what that link proves. It says there are no alerts. Sounds more like YOUR computer contains malware.

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      spiritwood 3 years ago from Wales, UK

      read this with interest... thank you.

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      Gina145 3 years ago from South Africa

      I received my first seven payments without any problems at all, but have now received nothing since June. I keep sending emails to support after each failed redemption but it doesn't seem to help. As their rules have changed over time some of my earliest posts broke rules that were introduced later, but I have since either edited or deleted those posts. That hasn't helped my cause either.

      Sadly my own Hubs about Bubblews were written before the problems started and I've been too depressed to go back and edit them, but if I don't get paid soon I will have to do so.

      I wish I had time to read through all the comments you have received. Maybe I'll come back when I'm not so busy.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I had written a positive review of the site and when I read that another person hadn't been paid I immediately added that tomy article. As time passed and more people weren't paid, I radically changed the article. 10c isn't worth my soul. I don't want one person to have been tricked into writing for the site beause of me.

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      Yoleen Lucas 3 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      I have just begun writing for Bubblews. Today, I was searching for HubPages writers on there, but keep getting an offline error message. Is there a rule against searching for members in a specific group?

      Now, I'm also concerned about payout. So far, I've only accumulated $2, but once I reach $50, will I run into trouble?

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      The usual policy of Bubblenes is to pay the first redemption then not again. 90% of all posters get that first redemption. As soon as you put in for that, don't write any more. Spend your time, commenting and liking. When you reach about $40 write a few articles and when you hit $50 put in for the payment. You probably won't get it. Only the pimps and shills get paid.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      'Say Yes To Life', there is no rule that says you can't search Bubblews for Hubpage writers, unfortunately the site has had a few glitches in the last few days where it goes offline for a while, but it always comes back okay.

      Also, just to reassure you, I have been paid for every redemption from day one (which must be about 12 now). I also know plenty of Hubpage writers on there who have not had any problems with their redemptions either. One I know gets payout every 2nd day (or rather he did on the $25 threshold so guessing it will now be every 4th day). Another Hubber I know just got notification of a $50 e-cheque pending which is her first at the higher redemption level.

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      Sprite1950 3 years ago

      @geyler - what are shills? I'm not a pimp so I must be a shill :)

      @Say Yes To Life - You have to remember that although there are people that don't appear to get paid many, many people do. Don't be put off by all the negative posts here but find out for yourself.

      I have seens posts from people who are adamant they haven't broken the rules but it turns out they often have. Look on the BubblewsSupport2 page as they are now posting the names of people who have violated the rules and informing them which rule or rules they have broken as set out on their bank page. They also send them an email.

      As I say I have had 9 redemptions paid all within the specified time. Today I have seen a post that is nowhere near the 400 character minimum character requirement and pictures that are not credited. People break the rules all the time so just make sure you read and understand them and hopefully you will get paid.

      If I had listened to all the negative feedback I read about the site I would never had joined but I didn't and it's worked out well for me. If they suddenly stop paying me I will leave but so far so good. I think you should give it a chance. Good luck :)

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      Yoleen Lucas 3 years ago from Big Island of Hawaii

      Geyler, MistyHorizon, and Sprite - thanks. How do I find the Bubblews Support Page, and the Wall of Shame?

      Feel free to connect with me on Bubblews. I go by the same name there as I do here.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      Thousands of people haven't been paid. thousands of peoplehave been promised that they would be paid. That you are one of those who is paid doesn't give you the authority to rope in others who probably won't be paid. The site is a well known scam. If everyone wasn't paid it would be closd down. So a few people like you are paid because you'll run around and attack people like me. People like me don't promote ANY site. You know why? I don't run any site. I have nothing to get from any site and I refuse to be used as an unpaid shill to bring in new blood.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      'Say Yes To Life', when you say the 'Wall of Shame' I assume you mean the place where those whose accounts are banned and who haven't been paid are named and the reasons given. This is on BubblewsSupport2's profile page, so to find it just do a search on site for that name and then look down their comments list until you reach the comments made by BubblewsSupport2 that list names of Bubblers and why they were banned/not paid.

      As for the Bubblews Support page I am not completely sure what you mean, but if you want the list of contact emails for various issues they are listed in the 'About Me' section of BubblewsSupport2's profile page as well.

      I can't explain why some people don't get paid who are adamant they didn't break any rules. All I can say is that I have always been paid and know plenty of other Hubbers who write there and have always been paid too. I do know one or two others who have had missing payments, but equally some of them are getting those payments back now since the system was improved recently.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      @geyler - I'm not trying to rope people in, that's ludicrous. You can't force people to join a site if they don't want to, I'm just saying how it's been for me. 'Say Yes To Life' can read this whole thread and then make an informed decision. I doubt very much she would base it solely on what I say so I find your comments rather offensive.

      I just got an email today telling me my first $50 redemption has been successful and I'm sorry if that pees certain people off but I am not in cahoots with the site owners to encourage people to join the site. I'm sure they barely know I exist. I write, I stick to the rules, I get paid.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Netra. Did you get paid eventually? Even if your pictures are home-made, if you didn’t provide an attribution, they might assume it’s stolen. I’m beginning to think Bubblews use many excuses not to pay people.

      Qeyler and weekend, have either of you been paid yet? If not, have they given you a reason? At this stage, it might be worth me putting a note in the hub about the success rate of emailing them using the latest method. 66% is not good enough.

      Timetraveller2, they might be trying to improve the site, so you never know. Like you say, the problems they’ve had are so unprofessional… even unethical. Paying people what they’re owed should be their highest priority. Personally, I would delete my posts just to stop them earning from them. The “rob Peter to pay Paul” routine is quite possible. Someone suggested earlier that it resembles a Ponzi scheme; where new writers are used to fuel the payments going to older writers. Just like a bubble really…

      Janderson99, hopefully you’re right that legal action is making them change. Trust will be harder for them to get back though. Yea, the state of the brand address doesn’t make much sense if the deluge of payment requests causes them even more “work”. It’s an unacceptable excuse anyway.

      Anonymous, thanks for your comment. Let me know what happens.

      Thanks Rfordin. Yes, some people get all their redemptions. I don’t know how the 50 dollars will change things. The optimist in me says they’ll be more attentive to requests for payment now they have fewer to deal with. I find it hard to trust them though.

      Buildreps, you’re right, it could still be a one man show. There do appear to be some staffers with bubblews accounts though. I found Alea Din and Adrienne Jenkins on bubblews, and their “about me” sections make it fairly clear that they work for the company (they list all the bubblews emails, etc). They don’t say it explicitly, which is deceptive because they both go around pretending to be “happy customers” on hubpages and twitter. That’s why they come off as scammers to me. It could all be one person (“Arvind”?) with multiple aliases though.

      Well done WryLilt. I think Bubblews values American and Australian customers more because they know they are bigger “consumers” than people from Asia. The personal information they extract can be used to greater effect. I would also advise setting your browser to delete cookies upon close. The problem with deleting cookies is having to enter passwords all the time, but you can make exceptions that save cookies from particular sites.

      Thanks for the info misty. Yea, I remember Bubblews showing me a captcha saying “describe this brand” and it had the letters “BBC”. I come from England and use the BBC site quite a bit. You keep repeating that plenty of hubpages writers get all their payments, but plenty don’t, so let’s keep it balanced.

      Thanks for commenting sprite1950. Perhaps some people are too aggressive, but that’s surely not an excuse for not being paid. If they haven’t paid you in the timeframe they say they will, you have a right to lambaste them. Personally, I sent them a nice email after 4 days, just asking if my payment had been processed correctly. They promise to reply in 86 hours. After a week, that’s when I got more “official” and demanding with my request. I only sent 2 emails in total though. I didn’t write any bubblews about the matter until a day before I deleted all my posts.

      Thanks Colleen. It’s quite possible that they’re using the new 50 dollar limit to fill their money pot in preparation for disappearing. It will get them more money, while slowing down the build-up of complaints considerably.

      Thanks spiritwood, glad to help.

      Gina, that’s very common. Have you tried the email method at the end of the hub for getting your lost payments? It worked for me and a few others. Please consider changing your hubs about Bubblews. At least update them with the current situation. You could just copy and paste your comment from here over there. That would only take a minute. If anyone is convinced to join Bubblews after reading your hub, you could be helping Bubblews to scam someone (if they are in fact a scam site).

      Say Yes To Life, I don’t think there’s a rule against searching for hubpages writers. I think the site is just very poorly maintained. It has a lot of server issues. There’s no way to tell if you’ll run into trouble when you redeem. You’ll just have to decide if that uncertainty is worth it. The least we can say is that Bubblews is an unprofessional operation that has failed to pay innocent and rule-abiding writers in the past.

      Sprite1950 (guest): you say he should “find out for himself”. So you ARE telling him to join. In fact you do it again at the end of you post. That’s a bit forward don’t you think? How about letting him make up his own mind about whether to join or not? Then, you start parroting the same rubbish about rule-breakers not being paid. I thought we’d already established that plenty of rule-abiding bubblers haven’t been paid. My experiment proved that, and the recently reclaimed payments from Bubblews to me and others proves it even more. They wouldn’t have done that if we’d been spammers, criminals, or plagiarizers would they?

      Oh, and if Bubblews sends these imaginary “rule-breakers” emails now, that must be a very recent change. How do you know that by the way? Are you party to Bubblews internal policy changes? Your whole post is incredibly suspicious in my eyes. Qeyler is right to tell you to stop roping in new blood here. You’ve just had a very timely redemption too. Right after Qeyler questions you, your 50 dollars arrives. Magical! Anyway, good for you… and I see you have no hubs on this site. I noticed from your activity that I didn’t approve one of your comments on this hub 13 days ago. I wish I could remember what that was for.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      On Bubblewssupport2 's profile page where it lists the banned accounts and what rules they broke it also states 'email sent' that is why Sprite mentioned it Thomas.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      It's a woman actually and she has already joined so I couldn't really tell her to could I? She was saying she was worried she wouldn't get paid and I told her how it has been for me. I'm a 63 year old woman for goodness sake, just an ordinary lady and I'm just relating my own experience. If you weren't being so unpleasant it would be amusing that you think I am working for them! I'm not even a particularly good writer, it's just a hobby for me.

      As for the changes, yes they are recent. BubblewsSupport2 puts the names of all the rulebreakers up on a daily basis stating which rule they have violated and sends them an email. Absolutely anyone can look at them. People are now coming forward with reports that after a considerable amount of waiting they are getting paid.

      No I don't write for Hub Pages. I found a link to this post on someone who writes for WebAnswers. That's how I got here. I didn't even realise you hadn't approved one of my posts. It seems you will only approve the comments of those that agree with you.

      I'm sorry if I have upset you but there is nothing suspicious about me however much you would like to think there is. I'm actually feeling quite important now! Have a nice day.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Misty, I can't find that list. I'm on the profile page now, but I don't see it.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Thomas, go into page 2 or 3. You should see it then.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Sprite, perhaps you put a link in that comment 2 weeks ago. I rarely approve links, but saying I only approve comments I agree with is preposterous. I've approved all your other comments haven't I? Believe it or not, I'm content with audaciously offering my opinion within the comments section of my own hub, and with responding to those who disagree with it.

      For example, you're claiming to have only told her "your experience" now. Actually you said: "Don't be put off by all the negative posts here but find out for yourself." At the end of the post, you repeated this instruction to join the site: "I think you should give it a chance." That's what I claimed you said, and it's annoying that I have to quote your own undeleted comment to prove it. Sorry if that seemed unpleasant.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks sprite. I see it now in the profile comments, page 4.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Well ... I fail to see what is wrong with telling a person to find out for themselves. It's what I did. I read loads of negative stuff about the site but I still joined and it was a good move for me. Surely that's what most people do in the beginning. I don't see what your issue is with that remark. You're reading far too much into it.

      Alright perhaps it is preposterous to say you only approve the comments of people that agree with you but to me it's equally preposterous to say that I am in league with Arvind! He's never even liked one of my posts! lol.

      I promise you I am an ordinary person but Bubblews has been good to me so why wouldn't I defend it. I don't know what else to say to make you believe me as I can't prove it. We'll just have to agree to disagree :)

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I never said you were in league with Arvind. I asked how you knew about the policy change. I accepted your answer. I agreed with Qeyler that you shouldn't be trying to rope people into joining the site, and I still think that. Telling someone to find out for themselves is equivalent to telling them to join the site. Perhaps you had another meaning...? Telling her to disregard all the negative posts here isn't particularly nice to me or the other commenters either.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      I'm sure she has a mind of her own and as she was already a member of the site she will make her own decision on whether to stay. I'm just one person and if you don't like what I've said then feel free to delete all my posts. I've had my say and I don't feel that I've said anything wrong so I'm sorry if you think I wasn't nice to you and the others, that wasn't my intention. Why are people so sensitive these days?

      As I think I mentioned before if Bubblews stopped paying me tomorrow I would leave, it's no big deal as my online world doesn't stop there.

      Anyway that's my take, I doubt I'll have any more to add unless someone else tries to tell me what I should or shouldn't say :)

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      A song - with apologies to "I'm for Ever Blowing Bubbles"

      Pretty bubbles up in the air, they fly so high, nearly reaching the sky.

      Then like dreams they fade, pop and die,

      For fortune’s always hiding, especially in hot air.

      No more bubbles, no more troubles

      My bubbler is busted, it was taken away

      So BubbleBlah, a raspberry or two

      Boo Hoo! Splink!

      PS: ‘Splink’ is the sound of a bubble that pops on the bubbler before lift off

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Indeed sprite, your barbed leading question is at least a good one: why are people so sensitive? Reading back, I'm sorry you thought I was being unpleasant to you. I'm just suspicious of anyone who comes to this page, tells another commenter to ignore what I've written, and asks her to try the Bubblews site. You can say what you like, and I'll be suspicious if I like. Your posts won't be deleted for disagreeing with me.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      That's a nice poem/song janderson! I had no idea splink was the word for that.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Thomas, I told you how I got here. Someone from WebAnswers who agrees with you put a link in their post which lead me to this thread. That's how I got here, plain and simple. How could you even think I am recruiting a person who has already joined the site! It's just ... silly!

      I have to rest the grey matter now, all this arguing is emotionally draining for an old bird like me. I might just pop across to Bubblews first to see if my friend Arvind has left me any messages .... titter.

      Goodnight.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I'm suspicious of people who visit pages like this to recruit new members for Bubblews because my suspicions have been confirmed before.

      Clearly you didn't realize she had already joined the site when you made your comment, so why would it be silly? One of the commenters that I was able to confirm my suspicions about was stupid enough to use the same username on all his comments around the web... as well as on Bubblews. It was easy to track him down and out him as an employee. Bubblews genuinely do have employees that go around hubs and blogs spouting marketing talk at people, accusing unpaid folk of breaking rules, and generally trying to convince people to join. They're deceptive because they're pretending to be "happy customers" when really, they're working for the site. I've been right too many times to not be suspicious.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Actually (after reading back again...) rather than convincing her to join, you appear to be convincing her to stay on the site until she reaches 50 dollars. Coupled with the instruction to ignore the negative posts here, and the parroted talk about "rule breakers", I didn't see much wrong with questioning your motives. Like I said, I've been right too many times before.

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      I briefly tried out Bubblenews and never got to the $25 mark. However, one day I was told I had a personal message. I clicked on the balloon and had an immediate virus attack. Took me two days to get my computer back to where it was. I am not a fan and on top of that Bubblenews does not seem to generate the same level of debate and information exchange as Hub Pages. Now, I have issues with Hub Pages, but even if the income is low, I get more satisfaction from the Hub than Bubblenews.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Sigh ... Thomas, I can see from your profile that you are indeed a very intelligent man but I think you've been reading too many conspiracy stories,

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      That's a terrible experience Larry. I don't remember a PM feature so it might have been one of their ads disguised as a message. I'm glad you got things up and running again. You're right that very few people on Bubblews are interested in having a meaningful conversation. 90% of the comments seem to be "nice post" or "interesting...". They don't read a word; they just want you to comment or like back.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      You have to constantly delete cookies. Bubble loads cookies and of course the liklihood of a poisoned one rises.

      I agree with you Thomas, reading the posts, it's clear we're dealing with a shill in sprites clothing. I am not on any 'wall of shame', I have never had any post removed, I have never ...BROKEN THE RULES....(SORRY Linda, hate to bust your Bubble).

      I am one of the thousands of good writers who just fell by the wayside. No one at the Bub reads my stuff...I'm just , alas, one of the thousands of unpaid. If I called the name of well known top writers, people who earned on Factoidz, until it went down, who earn on every writing site and are usually Front pagers...who weren't paid by Bubblews .... because unlike my Shill, they don't lure others. So Spiritey Poo HAS to bring in Fresh Blood, or else she won't be paid...and not paid for her articles, paid from the articles of those unpaid dupes.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      I can't believe that intelligent people like yourselves would think like that. It's as if you are so wrapped up in your bitterness you can't see outside it. I sympathise that you haven't been paid, I really do, but I actually had to look up the meaning of shill as I didn't know what it was. Shill in Sprite's clothing! It's hard for me to take you seriously now.

      To be honest I think you are a pair of bullies, it's so easy to try and bring a lone woman down isn't it? I thought you would be better than that. There's no way I can prove to you that I'm just a person defending a company that has worked for me, so if you can't take my word for it there's no more to be said.

      I'm sure you are both really good writers but it's not my fault you haven't been paid and there is no point in trying to take it out on me. Maybe you need to look further than the quality of your writing, perhaps that was never the problem.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Actually Sprite, I was quite happy to give you the last word, which is why I didn't reply to your previous remark about conspiracy theories. I just replied to Larry's comment instead. I thought I did well to resist your remark, but now you've decided to call me a bully to goad me in again. Would a bully have tried to ignore your comment?

      And, who is on who's hub here? Have I sought you out? Have I called you a name in any of my comments? So give it a rest please, and don't start the whole victimized woman routine with me either. I had no idea you were a woman until you announced it like it mattered. It makes no difference to me because I believe in real equality, not special treatment when times suit. I genuinely hope to have no further exchanges with you, though I expect you'll have more insults to direct my way shortly.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      Guess what Sprite? Ta da...I'm a woman. So just busted your Bubble too, huh? I know you are here to entice people to join the Bubble and get your pay.

      Let me break this down for you....if Mary joins Bubble (using your ref) what do I gain from it? Nothing. What do you have to gain? $$$. So...if Tom and I, and others, warn people that Bubblews is a scam we have nothing to get. You, on the other have a quota to make.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Recruiting a new member on Bubblews only results in a one off payment of 20 cents (no ongoing income like here on HP). For what it is worth I get the feeling Sprite is genuine and not some undercover agent.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I suspect there's a bigger payment for marketing on other people's blogs and hubs by writing favorable reviews. It would be limited to Bubblews staff and trusted individuals though. The way some people go about spamming the merits of Bubblews across this site and others, it's almost impossible for them not to be motivated by money. I honestly don't know if Sprite is such a person though.

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      Dr. John Anderson 3 years ago from Australia on Planet Water

      The bubbles went up my nose and tickled - move on! IMO

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      prasetio30 3 years ago from malang-indonesia

      It sound legitimate, but I am not active on bubblews. Thanks for sharing with us.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Misty thank you. I followed a link here to see what people had written and gave my side of the story. It's quite comical to think I had some kind of ulterior motive but if nothing else it's given people a good read and food for thought.

      Don't worry Thomas I won't be coming back as my intention was just to add my 2 pence to this thread not to cause WW3.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      there is a marketing procedure. That is the job of Linda; who seems to have quieted, and Sprite who might be her dual.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      btw Sprite has published nothing on Hubpages....

      as suspected she is a dual.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Umm ... what's that? I admit I'm not a writer for HubPages, I joined but it wasn't my thing. I used to write for WebAnswers and I've just joined Teckler. I told you how I came to get here and it was something I was interested in so that's why I posted here. Nothing more, nothing less.

      Qeyler - you're beginning to sound slightly unbalanced. Linda is my real name. Sprite is my internet name, what's odd about that? Are you very young because I suppose that might be an excuse.

      I know you only put that comment about me 'quieting' to entice me back. I suppose we could go back and forth like this for months. Up to you but I don't think Thomas will be too pleased about his thread being hijacked.

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      Hi Thomas, thanks for asking if I've been paid...The answer is NO..I have stopped worrying about it as most of my queries go unanswered and every time I say that I am unpaid, few people come up with weird stuff saying "You have to be patient. Are you sure you didn't break the rules and blah blah blah". I haven't reached my 50$ yet. I am going to see if I get paid (It's silly to wait until I reach 50$, I know...but I'm hoping). Will let you know IF i get paid but I'm not really sure if they will ever pay me.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I know you're Linda's dual. Everyone knows that Sprite! Do you think we're stupid? There's only One rabid Bubblews pimp on Hubpages. You.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      I actually don't think many people do think that you little twerp, just you! And yes, I do think you're stupid.

      What was this thread about?

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      Larry Wall 3 years ago

      I just happened to get in this thread because of my displeasure with Bubblenews. It is a new year. Why not move on to something else and put an end to this rhetoric. I am not trying to be a ruler or mediator. I just like to see Hub Pages get back to where it was a year ago.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      Dear Larry, this isn't an 'open forum' or discussion board. These are responses to the article writien by Tom called "An Experiement..." hence our responses are on point

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Netra, you said you tried to redeem around the 24th of October. That's only 3 weeks after I had trouble with Bubblews. Have you tried the email procedure for getting `lost payments' that I did recently? I've written the instructions at the end of this hub. It worked for me and a few others. I'm still unsure if Bubblews is a scam though because they seemed to know that I was owed money, yet were ignoring me up until then. Others still haven't been paid. If that doesn't work, there's this gmail address that they want people to use: bubblews.assistant@gmail.com

      The problem with continuing to write on Bubblews is they're now aware that they've gotten away with not paying you once. From what I've been told by numerous people, when someone doesn't receive one payment, many more missed payments follow. They give you one from time to time to keep you interested, but they know they can take advantage of you.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I'm a Twerp! I'm a Happy Little Twerp.

      And Sprite is Linda's Dual

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      @Thomas, Yes I have contacted them using bubblews.assistant@gmail.com and also the support email you suggested. They only reply back saying they need time to process my payment and that I shouldn't email them back again. In a way, Bubblews helped me. I became kinda stubborn to find legit sites that pay and now, I'm penning two novels for clients. Scam sites like Bubblews shouldn't affect genuine writers. I'll keep you updated as to what happens after I touch 50$, but I suggest you don't hold your breath because it's way too slow as I'm inactive. I will never understand why they didn't pay me. Ah, well, it's probably one of life's unsolved mysteries :)

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      I started writing on Bubblews on July 31. Since then I have been paid $585 without any issues whatsoever. However, after reading this post I have become leery...so I am doing my own experiment. On Dec 12 I put in for my last $25 and received it. Then I wrote one article saying I would be running a test to see if there indeed was passive income. My goal is to see if the money goes to $50, then try to redeem. If they pay, I'll continue on the site. If not, I'm done there. I will have lost nothing but will have learned a lot. To date it is over $28...so we'll see what happens.

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      @Timetraveler2, I thought you were timetravel from Bubblews, but I guess you aren't. Let us know if you reach 50$ through passive income. In my case, now I see many people complaining that they haven't been their 50$ too. It makes me sad and angry. I thought that I would continue and see what happens when I redeem at 50$. Call me stubborn or stupid or curious...but now, I have a feeling that I'm simply wasting my time.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Netra84 I am Sandnsun over there. Don't make a final judgement yet. Remember that there are many people, including me, who ARE being paid. I'm just running this test to see if they will pay me at $50. In the past they have paid me at $46, but that was as the result of writing articles, etc. I'm not doing that for this test...I'm just "waiting". We'll see what happens!

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      Well, I'm not making any judgments, but honestly, I see that they pay ONLY those they choose to pay. The rest of us are stuck in oblivion and no matter what we do, they ignore us. I really hope you are paid, but it breaks my heart to see people begging in the support page for their OWN money. I hoped that the since the threshold was increased over to 50$, they would pay, but the support page recites another story. I wonder how long these games will continue.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Neetra84: Frankly, none of this makes much sense to me, but I felt I would run this test to see what would happen to save myself the work and worry others are going through. I really doubt I'll even make the new threshold but if I don't, so what? I have almost no effort involved in this project!

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      Ashwin Rangarajan 3 years ago

      The mere fact that certain people still think Bubblews is legal because they have been paid is a joke to me. The moment a site refuses or ignores to pay someone who has followed the rules tells me that they are a scam. Bubblews owe me $50 and there has been no response from them regarding the same. It doesnt matter if Bubblews is paying "some" people. They owe to pay all the people. To me they pay randomly to keep the site alive, almost like a lottery. Bubblews is a modern diligently designed scam and that is the end of the story.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      precisely. some people have to be paid to keep the scam going

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Netra, thanks for letting me know. The support email doesn't seem to be as effective now. Someone on buildreps hub got the same "we're looking into it" reply. This may be a sign that Bubblews are going back to their old ways, which would be a shame, but not that surprisingly really. I'm actually noticing an upsurge in complaints recently too. I think buildreps may have predicted this in his latest hub, but I'm not sure. It could be time for Bubblews to cull the herd.

      I like your idea Timetraveller (naturally!). I hope they do pay you when it reaches 50 dollars. If they've paid you every time up until now, perhaps they'll continue. I think you stand a better chance than I did at least. Good luck and keep us posted.

      Ashwin, you're right that the site pays some people and not others, and this is how they stay alive. It's like a kind of Ponzi scheme that relies on new blood to fuel the fraction of writers they actually pay. Like you say, the people that get paid will promote the site for them. It's amazing what a little money will do for someone's sense of right and wrong.

      Qeyler, I assume the support email didn't work for you either? It doesn't seem to be working much any more. It worked for a few people who got in very early, but now it's pretty useless. I think I'll remove the instructions from this page soon.

      Misty, I deleted your comment with the link in. I nearly always do that so don't take it the wrong way. However, I don't think that interview with Arvind is particularly useful. Like many other interviews with him, there are no difficult questions being asked. Nothing about payment issues, rule ambiguity, unanswered emails, deletion of accounts, or the dodgy payment process. The questions were inane and quite frankly laughable. Why would anyone ask what attributes he has in common with his mother? Where in god's name did that come from? I think Arvind probably wrote the questions himself, or at least made a selection to answer. The talk about "good things on the way" is just that: talk. If Arvind is scamming a lot of people (and I'm inclined to think he probably is), then that's exactly what I'd expect him to say. Convince people there's an amazing future while offering no details or plans of any kind. Pure fantasy. The question was even worded in a way that let him off the hook, which is why I think he wrote that question himself. So yea, I don't see that interview as being useful to anyone, especially readers of this hub. It's only purpose is as a public relations ploy by Arvind.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Hi Thomas, this is what Arvind responded to me at 6 Jan:

      "Hi Maarten,

      I have not forgot about you. Is there any chance, on top of those questions you sent for the interview, you can add a few more that will help us get our story out? We are clearly not a ponzi scheme and would like the chance to show people we are correcting any issues we previously had.

      If you can do this let me know or I suppose I will just answer the questions you sent. Sorry for the delay, we just been working very diligently to improve our service and get back to those back pending redemption of good members."

      Perhaps if there are new questions we can add them to the list.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      I have some new ones, and could reword the original ones better too. Though, it would be hard to trust him, no matter what he says. Actions speak louder than words. The repayments were a start, but that seems to have stalled with many more problems arising. I haven't got time to write the questions right now, but maybe later or tomorrow.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      I sent Arvind an email telling him about the test I was doing on the site. Within a few hours I received an email directly from him asking me where I was dollar wise, and I told him. I am now over $30 after less than one month of basically doing nothing but writing the one article and responding to comments there.

      His quick response makes me think that he wants some good PR and that this matters to him a lot.

      If this is true, then he may now be trying to correct himself.

      I think part of the problem here is that his rules are many more than people realize, and so they do not read all of them and then get stung financially.

      Another problem is that if you are not a native speaker of English, it would be very difficult to understand some of his rules.

      A great number of the people who write there are not experienced online writers, they are just people who think that if you put 400 words out there you'll make money.

      I have seen tons of plagiarism there, which is cause for immediate banning from the site.

      I have seen hubbers put poetry on there which is less than 400 characters and not get paid.

      I have seen people put screenshots of Bubblews payment charts, etc there, which is a no no.

      I have seen people put their personally shot photos on there without giving attribution and thus not getting paid.

      From what I am seeing, many who are not getting paid are slitting their own throats with such actions and then they complain.

      I also think that there is such a deluge of writers that keeping up with "corrections" for erroneous non pays is a major problem.

      It is very hard to understand what is going on there, but I think this business of favoritism is ridiculous.

      I'm a total nobody. I have no connections on Bubblews and, in fact, I have written several articles there criticizing the site.

      Yet, I have been paid every time.

      Yes, this may end, and I am aware that there is a risk...but that is exactly why I am running my test and telling them that I am running it.

      If I can write nothing for two months or so, hit the threshold and still get paid...how can I complain?

      I am very torn about this issue because some of the people on this comment section are so very upset. The only thing I can say is that it is VERY easy to make a mistake on that site, so people should review all of the rules as well as their posts there to check for errors.

      Only then should they contact the site about problems and complain if they do not get paid.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Fair enough for deleting that link Thomas (although it was not to an interview of Arvind and Jason done by me but by another Hubber, plus the questions will have been written by drbj, not by Arvind). Can I suggest maybe you conduct an interview with Jason and Arvind yourself, as they are offering people the opportunity to at the top of the 'Bank' page on the site. That way you can ask questions you feel are relevant and see if they are willing to answer them? The results could prove interesting and give them a chance to respond to yours and others concerns (those who have not been paid mainly).

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      No matter how many times it is posted, we keep going back to start.

      1. Bubblews is a SCAM

      2. 95% of all Posters are paid the 1st time.

      3. 15% of all Posters are paid the 2nd time.

      It has nothing to do with Breaking Rules, Plagairism , etc. It has to do with the Luck of the Draw.

      If you have been paid that 2nd time it is likely you'll be paid the 3rd time.

      4. Bubblews loads you with Cookies and Tracking Devices. Those who 'profit' Bubblews by their 'travels' are kept around. Those who don't are dispensed with.

      5. Particular people, like Time above, raved about the site, until they were not paid. This is because with a finite # of people to be paid as soon as someone better than you appears, you are out.

      a) By better I mean they carrying the tracking devices to more appropriate venues. The term appropriate is defined by Arvind and what he's looking for.

      Don't believe me? Check your cookies Bubblers....

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      Colleen Swan 3 years ago from County Durham

      Just logged in to bubblews and was offered a java update. Mcafee blocked it as a potential virus. Take care.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      geyler: FYI I have never NOT been paid by Bubblews, and I have had more than a dozen redemptions. Sorry if I confused you.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Timetraveler2, I'm not sure if it's a test anymore tbh. If you've told Arvind what you're doing, and he's read your email and replied to it, then I think you'll definitely get paid. If there was an automatic system that puts inactive bubblers on a "do not pay" list, then he would have taken you off it the moment you told him what you're doing. There's no way he'll want to fail your test now that you've told him you're testing him.

      Misty, I definitely wasn't suggesting you conducted that interview. I saw it was someone else's hub. The questions were completely inane though. With all the questions he must be getting sent, he can probably pick the ones he wants to answer. The question about future changes ended with something like "(if you can reveal that information)" which seemed strange to me. It was a very easy way for him to escape properly answering it. Maybe I'll send him some questions then.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      coleen, i think that is how arvind makes the cut... after he loads you with tracking cookies he chooses the most profitable

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Thomas Swan: That is a big "if"...the truth is that nobody but that team knows how things are done over there. I will say, however, that awhile back I was inactive for three weeks and during that time earned $20. I was paid then, also...and I never thought to email anybody about it because I was on vacation. I think plenty of people slow down or stop due to vacations, illnesses and other issues, so I doubt this "list' you are talking about is a reality. It makes no sense for him to have one, anyhow, because he makes money when people write. If he starts not paying them simply because they stopped for awhile, he could lose a lot of dough!

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      I don't think it would be unreasonable for any company to keep future plans under wraps until they were ready to announce them, it happens in business all the time to stop other companies stealing ideas and beating the original company by releasing them sooner, branded as their own ideas/products.

      I do think it would be a good idea for you to conduct your own interview with Arvind and Jason though.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Timetraveler2, yes it's all speculation, but now he knows it's a test, I'm pretty certain he'll pay you rather than choosing to fail the test. Not paying for inactivity makes a lot of sense actually. It's the way for Bubblews to make the most dough. When someone is inactive for more than a month, the likelihood of them coming back will be quite small. So why pay someone who's not likely to write any more for the site? Better to take what you can from them asap. If this did apply to you, I doubt it does now you've told them.

      Agreed Misty, but there's also plenty he could have said. For example, fixing existing issues with the site and the payment process. There's no innovative ideas being given away in fixing the basic stuff that is wrong. I'll send him some difficult and useful questions then. Not stupid questions about the color of his cat or the brand of aftershave his grandfather uses at the bingo lol.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Well, all I can say is that he paid be before when I was idle for three weeks and that is all I have to go by. And if he pays me now, what's the problem? I'm actually just as interested to see if the residuals will go all the way to $50...who knows? This is the only way to find out.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      I agree with Thomas, if you have intentions to start a reliable experiment, it is not very wise to publish this before your experiment. The experiment is not reliable anymore.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      No problem at all Timetraveler2. Best of luck with getting the payment. It would be useful to know how long it takes you with 560 bubbles. We could calculate an earnings per post per day residual income.

      When I did it, I had 71 bubbles earning 25 dollars of residual income over about 3 months. That's about 28 cents per day for 71 bubbles. So each bubble would earn about 0.4 cents per day in residual income. I made all of my bubbles about searchable subjects, with around 300-400 words and a picture in each post. I'm guessing that made my bubbles of a reasonably high quality compared to the average on the site.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Buildreps, well it'll be good for the data on residual income, but yea... it's no longer a test of whether Bubblews pays inactive people.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Guys, this was never a test to see whether Bubblews pays inactive people...it was a way for me to see if they paid at the new threshold without my having to put in any effort to get there! It was also a test to see find out if the residuals would even GET me there in the first place!

      I never gave "inactive" a thought when I started all of this except for using it as a tool to avoid losing out if I did not get paid.

      I did not even consider it as part of the mix when it comes to getting paid.

      I needed a break anyhow and have spent my time upgrading my HP articles, so I figured I had nothing to lose.

      I'll be interested to see your calculations when I do get there, though.

      This has really been an interesting discussion.

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      Teresa Schultz 3 years ago from East London, in South Africa

      This is a good hub, and I would likely think about writing one similar to it (but not nearly as well researched and excellently written as yours) should I also start to have problems with my payments from Bubblews.

      I too, was worried about joining Bubblews - I usually always read reviews or similar before joining a site for the first time - but needed the extra income I thought I might make on Bubblews, and joined. I've enjoyed 22 payments from Bubblews in under 6 months (that's all the times I have redeemed on the site), and continue to enjoy the site. I feel sorry for those who have 100% not broken any rules or terms of use, and are still waiting for their payments, and do hope they will still be paid. For me, I'm happy with Bubblews, and feel a lot of the issues may be related to being short-staffed.

      I'm hoping Bubblews will become a place nobody would call a scam in the future, so that everyone who joins the site and follows the rules, can benefit from it in the future. It's a great place to write short posts, and to socialize with new friends.

      My experience so far with Bubblews has been excellent. I also enjoyed interviewing the owners and publishing their answers on my own site. I believe they're doing all they can to make rule-folllowers happy, and that any issues along the way are due to not being able to cope with such a large membership, with a small staff. I do wish them the best in the future - a better future for them would be a better future for the site's members.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Teresa Shultz: You know doubt will take some bashing from a few people here for writing this comment, but I am glad that you did. I feel pretty much as you do about this issue, but this article does make some compelling arguments. Having owned businesses in the past, I can tell you that nobody really knows the inner workings of any business except the people running it. Therefore, much of written here is based on assumptions rather than facts. Yes, there are good writers who have not made mistakes and have not been paid...yet...or maybe never, but I think the small staff may well be the culprit. It becomes a balancing act between lowering payouts and hiring more staff, either of which can undo Bubblews just as much as bad PR.

      Clearly they have a problem, but I hope they can fix it. How, I don't know. The only answer seems to be money, and apparently they do not have enough of it yet.

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      Teresa Schultz 3 years ago from East London, in South Africa

      @timetraveler2 - I appreciate that interesting response to my comment - thank you.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Well folks, it's a new year and I've decided to make some changes. At the present time my residuals are up over $32 after just about a month, but I can see the money is slowing down significantly. This tells me that although there are residuals, they peter out if you do not remain active. I have more than 1100 connections over there, so it is likely that my residuals would be more than those of many other people. At any rate, earning $32 for doing nothing ain't bad...that is IF I get paid. I will start writing again on the site tonight and redeem at the appropriate time. I will then let you know if I got paid. You think I will, and you are probably correct...we'll see.

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      Netra84 3 years ago

      I hope you will reach the threshold soon @TIMETRAVELER2. The way I am going, I'm stuck at 20$ and will probably redeem in another year or so LOL! However, just to satisfy my curiosity (though I have never been paid), I'm going to try one last time. Will keep you all posted.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Netra84 I could reach it by the end of the week if I chose to do so...but I have 1100 connections and comment regularly. I wrote an article about the problems I felt the new threshold would cause for Bubblews. I feel that reaching $25 is relatively easy, but going for $50 is not, at least not for most people. A lot depends on your topics and your readers. Keep at it...you'll get there...it will just take longer.

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      jayaquarianinsight 3 years ago

      This is an excellent piece. Bubblews is one site that people need to stay away from. To all those that say "you only don't get paid if you break the rules", I would like to say this. I am a seasoned online writer. I've written guides on how to find creative commons images and to correctly attribute them. Every single word I wrote on Bubblews was 100% original content. I got paid 8 redemptions in a row, no issues whatsoever. Then I became very ill at the beginning of summer last year and only managed to write 2 more posts, and like in my other posts, I used my own images, and no links in those posts...basically, I didn't break any of the rules in those as they were updates (longer than the stipulated minimum word content) on my absence. Still, I managed to get up to $25 and redeemed - I was not paid. I went through each and every one of my posts, and at that time I had written about 130, just to make sure I had not inadvertently broken one of the rules. I had not.

      I e-mailed Bubblews asking them why I had not been paid and requesting payment and also adding that even if one, two or even three of my articles had infringed on some rule, then surely they could just withhold the payment related to those posts, not the full amount. I received no response and no payment. That was back in August. I have now deleted all my posts and requested that my account be deleted.

      For the first 8 redemptions I was like those in these comments who spout that trite nonsense about Bubblews only not paying those who break the rules. Then I was not paid, and I realised how wrong I had been. How can a site decide they can pay you for content up to $200, then after that they will no longer pay?

      I cannot state emphatically enough how much I wish I had never had anything to do with Bubblews, because what I now know is that they have the right to use my content royalty-free for life, even though I have deleted it and will no longer have an account with them. They have no respect for their writers and I have yet to come across a more unprofessional set up. I would strongly urge to stay away from Bubblews.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      I have been. saying the same thing for months but people are so selfish and self centered that it is impossible to get them to appreciate the experiences of others, until ity happens to them.

      like you I am an experienced writer whko broke no rules. I found it odious . :

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks Teresa. Yes, we were all happy with the site before the payments stopped coming. 22 successful payments with none missing is some achievement. Many who get paid regularly have at least one missing redemption, but they still persist with using the site anyway.

      Yes, it would be nice if Bubblews didn’t act in a way that made people believe it was a scam. Not paying rule-abiding writers and not replying to messages was a big clue for me! Perhaps they will clean up their act soon.

      I don’t think it’s a particularly great place to write. I got a bit sick of the reciprocal liking routine, and the low quality comments saying “nice post” or “that’s interesting” from people who hadn't read a word of my posts. Then there’s the overall poor quality of writing and the frequency of plagiarized posts. So I wouldn’t call it a great place. Also, I wouldn’t call having a small staff an excuse for not paying people.

      When you interviewed the owners, how long did it take them to provide answers to your questions?

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Timetraveler, no bashing necessary. I only do that when it's fairly obvious someone is telling fantastical stories to market the site; spamming their marketing talk on several other hubs; or abusing the writers who comment here by calling them rule-breakers, scammers and plagiarizers.

      You call it assumptions, not facts. I call it deductions made from facts. It's a fact I wasn't paid. It's a fact my two emails were ignored. It's a fact I hadn't written anything on the site since my first successful redemption. That proves there was no rule broken. At least not one that was in place at the time of my first redemption. The fact they paid me back after 10 weeks proves I didn't break a rule (or they wouldn't have paid me back). However, it also proves they knew I was owed money all this time. So I'm confused about their motives and am seeking more information. That's why I sent them some questions. Though they acknowledged receipt of the questions and promised to answer them, it's been a week with no reply yet. I'll give them some more time, but if they don't reply, I might just publish the interview anyway with all the answers saying "No comment". That'll give me a good chuckle.

      Like I said to Teresa, I don't think having a small staff is an excuse for not paying good honest writers what they're owed.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Timetraveler, you say: "that is IF I get paid. I will start writing again on the site tonight and redeem at the appropriate time. I will then let you know if I got paid. You think I will, and you are probably correct...we'll see."

      Again, you seem to be implying it is a test of whether your inactivity will result in you not being paid.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks jayaquarianinsight, I share your anger at the people who come to articles like this espousing that same old slogan of "you must have broken a rule". For one, it proves they didn't even read my hub before replying, which suggests an ulterior motive right off the bat.

      Your experience seems quite similar to mine. Bubblews may have interpreted your inactivity as you losing interest in the site, so they pulled the plug on paying you. The ignored emails and messages are something that hundreds of other people have suffered too.

      There's very little chance you broke a rule after that many successful redemptions, so I find your story convincing and I think others will too.

      Do you think they've saved your content somewhere to use at another time then? I know that in their terms and conditions they claim ownership over what people write, but it would be sickening if they actually saved deleted posts like that.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Qeyler, I agree and I think Bubblews relies on people being that selfish. If an author is getting paid, they'll defend the person paying them, and ignore any ethical obligation to stand up for the rights of others. It's only natural I suppose.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Even though I've been quiet on this thread I have been following it but I'm not here to cause any trouble and I promise to ignore anyone who tries to bash me - I hope you won't Thomas because this is a comment mainly for you.

      I am not a selfish person in my everyday life, my family and friends are very important to me and I would put them first every time. Of course it's natural to stand up for something or someone that has been good to you, I don't know any of you do I?

      However, I have a good online friend who has helped me out quite a bit on different sites we have been on. I don't know him personally as he lives in the US but I do trust him and I think I became aware of Bubblews through him. He gave me advice when I didn't know what I was doing on Bubblews. At the time he was also doing well there.

      At this point in time he is not writing for them as he is missing a payment. He has been there almost a year without a problem but despite several emails he has not been paid. I am very familiar with his work, he is a good writer and I admire his posts, so I do believe what he says and cannot see that he has broken any rules. He also felt like me and thought there must be a reason people complained they weren't getting paid but now he is having doubts.

      At this point in time I am still being paid. I am around $40 into my second $50 redemption. I was a little nervous about redeeming the first but it came on time. I did take a long break after I first joined though. I joined in May but gave up after a couple of months. I think I left in July and started writing again September but the break didn't make any difference and I still got paid; I'm coming up to my 11th redemption. Some people feel that a break will trigger a non payment but it didn't for me.

      I know that things could change for me any time. It's not a big deal for me as writing is just a hobby and I don't really do it for the money although I like it and would not write any more if I missed even one payment - it's the principle. If they say we will be paid then we should be.

      My work is light and simple, maybe that's why I'm successful or maybe as some of you say I am just a chosen one, I have no idea why I get paid time after time and others don't. I just thought it was only fair to come here and tell you about my friend's experience.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      Linda, I thought you stopped. I thought after Factoidz you learned your lesson. I remember you promoting Factoidz and attacking those who complained about being dropped to Member..."You Broke The Rules!" until YOU were dropped to Member.

      Now, you go over to Bubblews and are used the same way and don't see it. If just one person reads your garbage and joins Bubblews and is ripped off...YOU are responsible.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Qeyler, you have the wrong person. I have no idea what Factoidz is. My real name is Linda, my internet name has always been Sprite1950. I started writing on WebAnswers and I joined Teckler but nothing else. I would rather hear from Thomas when he is around.

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      Dedicated Content Curator 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      In 2013 I obtained 70% of my claims.

      In 2013 I submitted 2-3x where it was all residual - I wasn't paid

      In 2013 I had a huge 'viral' post - wasn't paid

      In 2014 I've been paid 75% of claims - although that might become 100% in the next 24 hours it's already a few hours overdue.

      I can see what one has to do to really succeed, but if that's outside of your personality type, then it'd be a nightmare to fake your personality to fit .... I am "me", I write out of my head, I can't become the sort of person that can whip up the hype and round 'em up like a cult leader :)

      Maybe I should write the definitive Bublueprint to Guaranteed Success :) I "know it", I can't/won't "do it"..... I see who walks the walk and talks the talk .... and I am not that type of beast.

      I "could do better", but I lost all my mojo when payments weren't honoured. Put me down as a: CBA.

      CBA to change. CBA to do it. CBA to write an ebook to tell others how to do it.... just CBA.

      I went there, I am there, as it's "cash today" - it's instant cash, 70% guaranteed.... and I needed/need "cash today" ... so while it suits, I'll stick in there a bit more.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Hi Thomas,

      Just to let you know--no, Bubblews still hasn't paid me, hasn't told me why I haven't been paid, but has taken down my last post, although my account remains.

      I've kind of tried to forget the whole thing, but feel very angry whenever I see somebody boasting of their Bubblews earnings, or even see a Bubblews post float through my FB or Twitter feed. I wish Bubblews would just disappear from the planet.

      Anyway, I'm now going to write to Bubblews yet again.

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      TIMETRAVELER2 3 years ago

      Thomas I redeemed a few days ago and just got notice from Paypal that the echeck is on the way to the bank. This was the last part of my "experiment", so even though I stopped writing completely there for a month or so, then started after I had earned $32 for basically doing nothing, they still paid. I understand that you feel I messed up this part of the deal by telling Arvind I was doing it, so you can reach your own conclusions. Just wanted to let you know how it worked out.

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      SaraAnn 3 years ago

      I hope they are cleaning up their act. So far I have been paid 3 times without any trouble. recently i also contacted their support via the email they provide and they responded within 10 minutes!! it was the first time they had ever gotten back to me about anything. they were supposed to be improving their infrastructure and hiring new people, so my thoughts are that they have good intentions, but maybe suck at their jobs. if they are scamming, it is random and inconsistent.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Hi Thomas!

      Three emails later, I've just received one pending payment for $28.19, which covers my last redemption claimed on October 8, 2013, but the two redemptions claimed on September 9, 2013 and September 13, 2013 are still missing.

      I've emailed Bubblews again, so let's see what happens now. I'll let you know.

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      Secretabundance 3 years ago

      Thanks for posting such informational hub for all to better understand Bubblews. I was contemplating to pursue my writing there, but, now, I would rather continue hubbing instead:) Thanks much:)

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      weekend 3 years ago

      Update: Bubblews has just sent a pending payment to my Paypal account covering both outstanding redemptions. Now it's just a question of clearance. I will let you know.

      Bubblews also sent a note of apology thanking me for my patience, and the assurance that things will run more smoothly in future.

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      Pritchard 3 years ago

      I've been on bubblews since July, 2013. I have been paid 2times. I am missing one payment because I mistakenly put in the wrong email address for my paypal account. I corrected the error and sent the email to Arvind who was the only one to contact me at Bubblews. No response. Sent a contact email via their "contact us" on the site-no response. Finally sent an email and provided the email string with Arvind to the address I found on their site assistant.bubblews@gmail.com. Rec'd an email 2 days later telling me to put my bubblews name in the "subject line" and provide a link to my bubblews. Did that 2 days ago-no response.

      I have found those who complain about not being paid and try to contact Arvind or others at Bubblews get ignored. You never get on the "Front Page" and you posts just sit with little activity. It is amazing the amount of hits and comments some "Bubblers" get when their posts are incoherent.

      Bubblews is not on the level of hubpages. It really is not a blog and/or writing site. It is more of a cross between FB and Twitter, where they only want short, light pieces. Most of the members on Bubblews will not spend any time actually reading posts. Lots of Bubblers writhe "instructional posts" where they complain about anyone who "writes too much". I found some of the posts to be downright illiterate!

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      Prime Aque 3 years ago from Davao City

      Bubblews is not a Scam! I have 37 redemption to date, and I received them all! I always believe that Bubblews has the blueprint that can change this world. Your bubbling experience is too less to prove that it's a scam. I am a bubbler for 10 months and I can prove that Bubblews is not a scam!!!

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      Well, you proved it for yourself perhaps, but not for the rest. The louder you shout, the more I think this you're a shill, everydaywalk...

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      Keith Abt 3 years ago from The Garden State

      Did that guy seriously say "Bubblews has the blueprint that can change this world?" Oh pleeeeeez. Someone drank the Kool Aid...

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      Lena Kovadlo 3 years ago from Staten Island, NY

      I have redeemed three $25 minimum earnings and one $50 minimum earning, which is now in place, and have been successful each time, getting all the money I earned into my paypal and then to my bank account. If all rules are followed Bubblews does pay!!!

      Only issue I have now is this.... In "the bank" page they state that we earn based on how much ad revenue site is pulling in and elsewhere in one of the site's links (forget which one) it says revenue is split 50/50 between us and Bubblews. Examining the bank stats closely after my first $50 redemption and by reading what some other bubblers have written, I noticed that if we add up view, like, and comment stats in the bank and multiply by a penny we get the exact amount we see in the earnings stat of the bank page. That means we get a penny for every view, like and comment and therefore the ad revenue the site is making has nothing to do with us. So, when they say we earn based on ad revenue the site is pulling in at the time they are lying to us!!! They get all the ad revenue! If they actually split it with us we'd be earning much more than we currently do.

      Also, those people that redeem every few days and therefore make hundreds a month must be doing something not legit to hike up their earnings. I doubt that they would earn as much as they do otherwise.

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      weekend 3 years ago

      @lovebuglena "If all rules are followed Bubblews does pay!!!" You obviously haven't read the hub you're commenting on here.

      After almost five months, I have finally received all payments owed. I won't be writing for Bubblews again. It's just not worth my while. And had I not fought for payment, I wouldn't have been paid at all, in spite of following all rules!

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Sprite1950, if Fox News gave me a job and paid me a million dollar salary, I don’t think I’d change my opinion about them being a deplorable propaganda outlet. Even if I did change my opinion, I’d need to go a step further to actively defend them against complaints. So I don’t think it’s as simple as standing up for someone who has been good to you. I wouldn’t support or defend anyone just because they pay me. I have principles. I do understand the temptation though. At the same time, I don’t think it’s right to promote a site that is clearly upsetting a lot of decent, rule-abiding people. If you had any doubts (and you clearly did from your friend’s experience), then surely there must a nagging feeling that you were being a bit irresponsible?

      Earner, the problem with continuing to write there after not being paid a few times is Bubblews will know they can get away with not paying you some of the time. I expect your 70% rate of payment will continue or get worse. However, there does seem to be an effort to improve the site, so maybe you will get all your payments now. Did you get your recent payment?

      Weekend, thanks for coming back to update us with your situation. I’m glad you finally got paid. I don’t know why it took so long though. I think that what you said here is especially relevant: “And had I not fought for payment, I wouldn't have been paid at all, in spite of following all rules!” There must be hundreds/thousands of rule-abiding writers who never chased up their lost payments. What irks me is that Bubblews are obviously able to check their records to confirm we’re owed money… so why can’t they just pay everyone without the barrage of emails?

      Timetraveller. Thanks for letting us know that you got paid. As you’ll know from my previous comments, I’m not surprised, so I’ll leave it there.

      SaraAnn, yes, there does seem to be an effort to improve the site. The thing is, if they didn’t pay anyone, they wouldn’t last. They have to pay some people to keep it going. For all the people they don’t pay, the plan is to make them think a rule was broken. It’s a pretty successful model really… making people doubt themselves. That’s why it’s so hard to contact them, because then they’d have to explain what you’re supposed to have done wrong. Now they’re making a show of publishing rule-breakers on the support page, but from the complaints I hear, this doesn’t include anywhere near all the people who aren’t being paid.

      Secretabundance, Thanks, glad to help. With recent developments (see below) you probably made a wise decision.

      Askme, have you gotten paid yet? Your story is interesting, and fits with the idea that Bubblews will use any excuse not to pay someone… whether it’s inactivity, requesting a cheque instead of paypal, not attributing images from one’s own camera, or emailing them too much. All seem to be reasons for not being paid. I agree that there does seem to a lot of `personal preference’ in terms of who does well on the site and who doesn’t.

      Everydaywalk, dearie me… “blueprint that can change the world”? That’s some lovely sales talk there. If you can “prove that Bubblews is not a scam”, please give it a try.

      Buildreps and FatFreddysCat, you should see the comment I labelled as spam. It claimed earnings of 3000 dollars in 11 months. Comments like those just do the opposite for me. If people are being paid to make those spam posts, what is the motivation behind the people paying them?

      Lovebuglena, welcome back. Perhaps you forgot that you posted a very similar comment here two months ago. I don’t know if it’s worth telling you to read the hub, or to recognize that many rule-abiding writers clearly haven’t been paid. Just read the whole of this comment to know that. Anyway, I guess there’s nothing to add except, `see you in two months’.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      The Bubblews site has apparently taken their invasive information-mining strategy too far, and it is currently being labelled as a "malware site" in Google Chrome and Firefox. Hubpages is also calling all links to the site suspicious.

      As anyone who has read Buildreps hub knows, Bubblews is able to pay a relatively high amount because they extract personal information and preferences from their authors to sell to ad companies. They do this by using a number of cookies and web trackers. This latest malware scare is probably a result of them going too far with their information gathering, and triggering a number of security alerts.

      If you visit the site on a regular basis, set your browser to delete cookies afterwards. Remember to set up exceptions for trusted sites like google, youtube, and any other pages you login to regularly (or you'll have to enter your pw every time).

      There is a forum topic about the malware issue here: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120083#post2542139

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      Robb Swadley 3 years ago from Missouri, USA

      Hello, Thomas Swan.

      I happen to be one of the people who have also been having difficulties with the site, Bubblews.

      I was one of their biggest proponents. I diligently searched for and reported people who were scamming the site.

      Until the middle of December, when I still hadn't received the redeem I was owed from December 6, 2013.

      Normally, all my redeems had been paid within three days, but this time, when twelve days had gone by, I became concerned.

      I am not a terribly prolific writer, so it sometimes took five or six days for me to be able to claim $25 from the site.

      I followed the site's rules, did not spam them about my redemption. I was told by one of the site Moderators that I had done nothing wrong, to be patient and wait for my money.

      Patience runs out after a while, though!

      I contacted the site again on Dec. 26, requesting my payment. Still no reply.

      On Jan. 22, 2014, I redeemed for $51.01. I have still not heard anything about either amount.

      The Moderator who urged patience finally lost patience and emailed Arvind himself on my behalf (with me protesting this step) and was given no reply.

      I tried your solution once on Dec. 31, 2013, then again on Jan. 15, 2014.

      Currently, I am checking out other sites, hoping to find something/somewhere I am suited to write.

      I have posted a few articles on PAA, but am not prolific enough to garner money on that site. (Apparently.)

      Currently, I have an account here on HubPages, but after my carefully written beginning to a Hub vanished into thin air, I am afraid to try this site again. I KNOW I saved my work, so am at a loss as to why it vanished.

      If you wish to view any of my material, I have not yet taken down my account with Bubblews. I am RJBRES there. I am DaddyEvil on HubPages as well as on PAA. I am also DaddyEvil on the site WebAnswers.

      On WA, I give legal suggestions (usually) for people seeking help with child support, custody, visitation, divorce and small claims court problems.

      I have over nine years experience in courtroom procedures and studied for mostly child related court cases in seven mid-U.S. states.

      Currently, I am coasting on Bubblews, waiting (not-so-patiently) to see if I get an answer THIS time.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Hello DaddyEvil, thanks for sharing your experience. It always seems strange when someone who is regularly paid, and hasn’t changed anything about how they post bubblews, is suddenly cut off. It makes it so unlikely that you broke any rules.

      I think that after they didn’t pay you in December, they knew they could get away with it, which is why they didn’t pay you in January either. I would advise not writing anything else there until you’re paid.

      I would like to know the name of the site moderator if you have it. There do appear to be quite a lot of staff for the site. Usually their profiles list the email addresses to use for contacting or reporting things. However, sometimes, they have twitter or hubpages accounts where they spam about Bubblews and pretend to be happy customers rather than employees. I think there are some business standards that they’re in danger of breaching there!

      If the moderator didn’t get a reply, I’m not sure what to say. They could be lying to you, but I’d have to read the conversation to have a better idea. The solution given in this hub is a bit old now, and it’s worked less and less over time. It’s probably time for me to change the hub a bit.

      As well as not writing until you’re paid, I would recommend bombarding them with emails until you get a reply. Experience tells me that they eventually give in to those who are determined enough. The author `weekend’ wrote a comment above about how it took months to get paid. I think Bubblews eventually pay because they can afford to. Probably 90% of people don’t bother to go beyond a couple of emails. They just give up and let Bubblews keep the money. Bubblews know this which is probably why they ignore you at first.

      If you know of any way to threaten Bubblews with legal action, or you know any lawyers that could take the case, that might be useful. I think Bubblews also know that most people won’t take their claims to the courts (for such a small amount).

      I would say that redeeming after 5 days is pretty impressive for someone who doesn’t call themselves prolific. Was your bubblews strategy to like hundreds of posts each day without reading them; then wait for people to like back? I know lots of people do that, but it is effectively `gaming’ the system and I’m surprised they pay for it.

      Hubpages is totally legit in my opinion. I have not seen anything to suggest otherwise. If you saved the hub, it should be listed when you go to the page called “my account” and scroll down a bit. It won’t appear on your profile until you’ve published it. If that doesn’t help, you can try the forums. The staff here seem to be relatively helpful. Hubpages is totally different to Bubblews though. They want longer articles (about 1000-2000 words) which are `evergreen’ (will still be relevant after a long time). Earning here is slow, but it will pick up in a few months if you stick at it because it can take the hubs a while to mature in google rankings.

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      Janice L Miller 3 years ago from USA

      I don't delete posts on bubblews, I rewrite. I don't want to lose revenues.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Yes, yes, I happen to follow buildreps hub which you commented on too. You said he's suffering from "deep embarrassment" I think. I guess I got off lightly by being called silly. Good luck with your spam crusade. Plenty more negatively worded hubs about bubblews for you to get through.

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      Vampirate 3 years ago from Somewhere in Dreams

      Jandee, I and hundreds of others who haven't been paid by bubblews are not doubters or silly. We have no doubts at all that we haven't been paid, and we have no doubts there was no reason for nonpayment. We also have no doubts that it will be interesting to see what happens when the attorneys general of Virginia, California, Delaware, and many other states, as well as the FBI's Internet Fraud Division reviews the coming deluge of complaints. It took me a matter of minutes to document over 100 victims who are collectively owed thousands of dollars. And even less time to realize that many victims are outside the U.S., which makes it unlikely they can use the American justice system. It makes quite an interesting picture, one I'm sure the attorneys general and the FBI will have no trouble understanding.

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      qeyler 3 years ago

      What I adore about this article and its comments is that it proves the fact that there is a sucker born every minute. It proves that people are stupid.

      This isn't just a "Bubblews didn't pay me!" article, this is a scientific experiement. It is done with the same care that one would do in testing pesticides or vaccinations.

      Beyond the writer's documented experience there are hundreds of commentators who have confirmed that Bubblews is a Scam.

      Yes, there are those who knew it in June 2013. This did not mean that people wouldn't join in July and get their first payout, swear the site was legit, lure a few dozen others into joining , and then get ripped.

      Why do people keep believing that there's a tooth fairy?

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      Dedicated Content Curator 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      I've been paid all mine since 10th November. $300 missing up to that date, $900 received since then.

      The trouble is .... $/hour it's not worth it. While passive income's possible, you don't get sight of the stats, so you're p'ing in the wind really as you don't know what's working/not at all.... or what for and the sources.

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      suraj punjabi 3 years ago from jakarta

      great article! really enjoyed reading this and proofs you presented are quite strong. with that being said, one can't help but wonder how are they still using Google Adsense on their site? Adsense are particularly strict in their rules when it comes to scammers and spammers. What explanation could there be for Adsense to not ban them or something?

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      Vampirate 3 years ago from Somewhere in Dreams

      Jandee, there's no rule requiring posters to credit photographs, so there's no rule to break. Nice try, but now you're just a shill.

      The good side of being a shill is that you'll keep getting paid. The bad side is that you've closed your mind. And a shill's opinion quickly becomes worthless.

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      Ezedub 3 years ago

      While I have no doubt that quite a few people are being paid, I can say from my own experience that I, and several writers whom I know well, are missing payments, or as in my personal case have never received any at all.

      I think that what I find to be most telling, is that those who hound and harass Bubblews, often find that Bubblews suddenly has a record of their redemption and suddenly manages to pay it.

      Whereas those of us who sent a couple of appropriate emails but were summarily ignored, never manage to hear from them again.

      If Bubblews is so short staffed as to be overwhelmed by the number of legitimate redemptions which they may receive but fully anticipates paying all those who rightfully deserve to be paid, then Bubblews should both increase their staffing, but likewise declare a moratorium on accepting new members until they have addressed in one fashion or another, all claims, paying those which they owe, and actually conversing with and providing explanations to those which they do not.

      That is how an above board and legitimate company would handle the situation were it to be indeed a matter of unexpected volume. I highly doubt that Bubblews has any intention of doing that.

      Furthermore they waste inordinate amounts of time and presumably money as well by trying to hand check everything. As any writer knows, there is a great deal of software available to these sites which is designed to cut down on plagiarism, copy and pasting, etc. it is a simple matter to put these safeguards in place, giving Bubblews a greater chance to address their non payment issues.

      Instead I see them hovering in the discussion forums looking for any negative tid bit that might take place in that venue. It is almost laughable were it not so offensive that they can't bother to pay us because they're checking to see if people are complaining about not being paid.

      Interestingly enough, (unless they've since banned him) they seem to have no problems whatsoever with the posts of their resident anti-Semite and Holocaust denier, who seems to have carte Blanche to spout whatever invective and venom he may so choose to share. I find that highly disturbing at the least.

      I do want to say that I think that the characterization of those whom have been paid and who are writing to share that experience here, as shills, is patently unfair just as it is by those members on Bubblews who state that "only" rule breakers are not paid.

      Persons who make that statement are indeed de facto shills whether they are compensated as such or not. I have neither sympathy nor empathy with their position, as they are making blanket assertions for which they lack any eveidence.

      However, I will say that I know Sprite1950 for example to be a fine and upstanding person and if she relates her experience as always having been paid, then it is only because it is true and she feels that her experience should likewise be disseminated. She has not called though who are missing payments a liar, nor inferred that they are at fault. I have no problem with comments such as hers and encourage everyone to search for greater tolerance towards those similar to her who are offering their own story in the interest of truth and balance.

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      Pritchard 3 years ago

      Ezedub, I fit into the category of people described in your 3rd paragraph. I am done with Bubblews.

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      sprite1950 3 years ago

      Thank you for your message of support Ezedub. If I was the unscrupulous person I am made out to be here I could fix things for you and DaddyEvil, and I would .. in a heartbeat, but I'm just an ordinary person.

      I hope your writing is going well elsewhere. I want an autographed copy of your first published book ! Take care.

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      Dedicated Content Curator 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      Since I posted above, 6 weeks ago, I've been paid on time/every time this year. But that doesn't stop fear from running through what you write and fear every time you press the button for the next one .....

      I've still never been paid over $300 for some missing in July-Sep 2013.

      Total claimed and paid since 1/1/2014 is $800

      Total received since I joined $1600

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      AOkay12 3 years ago from Florida

      I have been paid one time and will keep my fingers crossed.

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      Elaine Galicia 3 years ago from Makati City, Philippines

      My account has been deleted and I don't have a plan to create another one. It's frustrating.

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      biblicaliving 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      Thanks for this insightful hub! I was thinking about doing some writing over there, but I think that you may have just saved me. Great job!

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      nadelma 3 years ago from Bushkill, Pa

      I have been writing on Bubblews since April, 2013. I have redeemed many times and I have the money put in my paypal account and I have spent some of it already. No problem. My first time I redeemed, I had a problem and I emailed them and I got an answer the next day. Again, no problem. I think some people do not follow the rules and do not get enough characters like the rules state. You have to have 400 characters, spaces are not characters. I never put in to redeem until I have $50.50, just in case I was short a little. Once I redeem, I get a message the next day that it is in the process of sending my money to paypal and once it has be sent, I get another message saying it has been sent. I do not have any of the issues that people here have.

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      Buildreps 3 years ago from Europe

      What rules, Yandee? The rules of Bubblews or the rules of properly writing in your own language. Did you read what this Hub was about? Because we're so tired this kind of comments - that all the pour this kind of word diarrheal over us - we take turns to reply to this sort of comments like you leave here and to leave this unreplied is not the right option too. Happy Bubbling, Yandee!

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      Gina145 3 years ago from South Africa

      After Bubblews deleted one of my posts (which mentioned my problems being paid) I decided to try removing a few others that criticised the site to see if it made any difference. In January I unexpectedly received a payment of $50, so I decided to give the site another try. Since then I've had no further problems getting paid though Bubblews still owes me about $150 from 2013 which I doubt I'll ever receive.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you Earner for your experiences. Bubblews may be improving slightly, though I’m still hearing that a lot of people are having problems. Your experience really emphasizes the lottery-like process that characterizes their payment methods. Perhaps they just don’t have enough money to pay everyone all the time.

      Thank you Suraj Punjabi. The thing is that Bubblews do pay some people; perhaps even a majority of people a majority of the time. It’s an intelligent scam in that sense, because they’ll have as many supporters as critics. The people who aren’t paid are condemned as rule breakers by the site, and by the employees and supporters who trawl the web looking for articles like this one. Adsense can’t prove it’s a scam any more than the critics, though perhaps this article offers something close to proof that Bubblews is actively scamming people.

      Thanks for your support Vampirate. I see you also picked up on the “citing of photographs” comment and how it’s not actually in the rules. It’s a myth propagated by Bubblews and its supporters to make unpaid writers doubt themselves. It’s cruel, and I think you were right in saying Jandee was a shill (as her later comments seemed to suggest).

      Thank you Ezedub for your experience and analysis. You make a very important point:

      “I think that what I find to be most telling, is that those who hound and harass Bubblews, often find that Bubblews suddenly has a record of their redemption and suddenly manages to pay it.”

      This happened to me. It suggests that Bubblews have a record of everyone they haven’t paid. How else could they know?

      Thank you Askme. I also fit that category until I sent a third email months later… after which Bubblews suddenly found a record of my unpaid redemption.

      Thanks AOKay12. Best of luck with your second redemption. Please let us know what happens.

      Hi ElaineWithoutYou. You’ve probably done the right thing. If they delete your account then there’s not a lot you can do. Hopefully they haven’t stolen your content to use at another time.

      No problem Biblicaliving, I’m glad you found the information helpful.

      Thanks for your experience nadelma. Yes, some people do break the rules. I even had to revisit the site recently because someone had copied one of my hubs. Clearly though, a lot of people who haven’t been paid didn’t break a rule. The experiment in this hub is a fairly good proof of that. Also, some people have received apologies and refunds after months of complaining. Somehow, Bubblews was able to verify that these people were owed money, which suggests they keep records of everyone they haven’t paid. If these people hadn’t campaigned, they wouldn’t have gotten their money. How many unpaid writers are out there who haven’t hounded Bubblews to get their payments? How many does Bubblews know they owe money to?

      Thanks for your experience Gina. It is similar to Earner’s experience. The site may be improving slightly, but it still appears to a lottery unfortunately.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Jandee, you said:

      “It is a great site and my view is that you who doubt are being silly.”

      “I didn't call 'you'silly.I really meant all who doubt and not you personally.”

      So rather than just me, you’re calling all of us silly? I doubt Bubblews’ integrity, so your statement includes me.

      If you’ve been paid every time, then good for you, but don’t come here calling us silly for not being paid. You’re just adding insult to injury. We’ve had to deal with not being paid, and now we have to deal with people like you telling us we’re too “silly” to follow a simple set of rules.

      Did you even read the hub? If I didn’t write anything new on the site between my successful and unsuccessful redemptions, why wasn’t I paid? It would have been impossible to break a rule. In fact, I can answer that for you because after months of complaints I received an apology from Bubblews and finally got my money. Does that mean I still broke the rules?

      Other people have also received belated apologies and refunds. How many unpaid writers are out there who haven’t sent a barrage of complaints? Given what I’ve just told you, do you really think they all broke the rules?

      You haven’t got a clue, yet you repeatedly come here to say the same rubbish about people supposedly breaking rules. You insult us, and constantly repeat the same message about rule-breaking over and over again. If you’re not working for the company then you’re either a nasty piece of work or you’re trying to justify your love of the site to yourself by derogating and insulting its critics. It’s natural to support companies that pay you money, but don’t let that selfish motivation get in the way of being nice to people. You have no idea how condescending and annoying it is to be told that you’ve broken the rules when you clearly haven’t.

      “I had another payment yesterday from bubblews,by the way the author who didn't get paid did not credit his photograph on his post so he broke the rules! Jandee”

      Who are you talking about? Last time I checked, this wasn’t in the rules. In fact, when I was checking Arvind’s posts about updates to the site, I noticed he’d posted a picture that he didn’t give credit for, so make of that what you will. Still, who is this comment directed at? How did you know this person didn’t cite a photograph? Do you know their Bubblews ID? Are you just making this up?

      “I am now making 0ver $3 for 400 characters. I have always been paid. I have checked some of the writers who complain and I see that they don't follow the rules ! I ,see it plainly,their mistakes ! If I didn't have a busy lifestyle I could make well over $30 daily.”

      I’m seriously considering deleting all your comments now. You’re just advertising for the site and repeating the same rubbish about broken rules again and again.

      “Thanks for your 'sort of reply' I don't understand what you are saying though!Maybe you just want comments that agree with you, regards jandee.”

      More rudeness and accusations of bias. Consider your 6 comments deleted, though they’ll remain quoted in this comment so people can see why I’ve done it. Plenty of people have disagreed with me, and their comments are up for all to see. Few have been so rude and spammy though.

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      Marsha Musselman 3 years ago from Michigan, USA

      I have been paid for each of my 16 redemptions requested, just for the record. And, I've been paid much more there than I've received here or any other writing site for that matter.

      I was surprised that you didn't include any type of polls regarding payment issues there.

      Suggesting that your readers bombard bubblews with many emails will do the opposite of what you think it will. It will be considered as spamming their email boxes.

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      Thomas Swan 3 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting Marsha. I didn't remember to add a poll to this hub. Had I remembered, I probably would have put one in. This hub has a poll: http://buildreps.hubpages.com/hub/Bubblews-is-real...

      Over 100 people think Bubblews is a scam in that poll, giving an idea of the sheer number of people who have been scammed by the site. Considering that only a fraction of the people conned will have found that page, the true number must be in the thousands.

      So, in other words, consider yourself lucky to have received all your payments!

      Some of those who complained consistently for many months ended up with an apology and a payment, so it seems like a good strategy.

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      Donna Campbell Smith 3 years ago from Central North Carolina

      Yep, I had the same experience. I took down my posts and soon had a balance of -75.00. After a while I emailed and asked them to delete my acct. They emailed and asked why? I told them. So, then they asked me to reconsider. I asked them to clear my minus balance. They replied suggesting I just start another acct. with a new name, etc. I decided just to let it go. Not worth the mess around.

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      Carolyn Emerick 3 years ago

      I signed up on Bubblews in the summer of 2013, and due to the fact that I admin on several large FB pages which I use to promote my HP and Bubblews posts, I earned the threshold to cash out quickly. I redeemed about three times and was never paid for ANY of them. I think the threshold was around $25 at the time, I really cannot remember. I did send a few emails. I never got a payment, so I gave up.

      I did not delete my account however. So after reading a couple hubs on it today, I logged in for the first time in over 6 months and see I have $11 in my "bank." I may try it again and see how it goes, since some people do seem to receive payments.

      IF the darned site works, and IF they manage to pay users, their model has the potential to earn MUCH more than HP. After a year on HP, I am slowly building earnings, and apparently I didn't have the Amazon linked up correctly so after fixing that it's given my earnings a good boost. I am happy with HP, but as they say, it's a marathon not a sprint and it really takes a lot of time and effort here. Whereas Bubblews, IF it does what it says, could be easy money fast. But, you know the old saying... if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

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      Chakravarthy D S 3 years ago from India

      One of the best posts ever.....

      Before joining Hubpages, I was in dilemma to choose between Hubpages, Squidoo and Bubblews.

      This post made me feel happy, that I chose Hubpages.

      Thank you Swan....

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      kellytruths 2 years ago from Singapore

      I am almost sure it is a scam. Here's my story to &Arvind !

      &Arvind Your support did not respond FOR WEEKS as to the question I sent them about my "violation warning" of 15th July, the same day I redeemed for the first time for $128. And now after being offline for 3 days, my bank hub is showing -$4. ??? No emails whatsoever from your side.

      Jason and Will Webb also did not respond. NO ONE is responding!

      If I do not hear a response in 5 working days, I will be officially removing my posts from here and move them to my personal blog. And I will also allow my Twitter, Facebook and Pinterest network and YOUR advertising networks know this is what happened that is not in my control because of your staff's unresponsiveness to newbie questions sent way before my first redemption *also no news/emails.

      How is it that members are held responsible for the TOU you place when they have no answers to them when they ask about it?

      Is it so hard for bubblews support to explain what exactly I was warned for, that is not forthcoming from your side? What sort of violation? No warnings whatsoever for the missing $63 in my bank hub (unredeemed) which is now -$4.

      Is this the reason why you had a F rating with the Better Business Burea: www.bbb.org/greater-san-francisco/business-reviews/internet-services/bubblews-in-san-francisco-ca-525234/complaints ?

      Bubblews email for reporting violators are very alert except when I added in that question about my 'violation'. This is the one I sent no less than 2 times and I received no usual "Thank you" email from them:

      " Please find reports in the format you require.

      1. TOU #1

      www.bubblews.com/account/270170-mrk0i

      is using Chinese model's pics in her posts.

      www.139meitu.com/images/h2.jpg

      at www.bubblews.com/news/4905203-the-bathroom-situation-can-cause-sudden-death-part-5

      at www.bubblews.com/news/4904846-the-bathroom-situation-can-cause-sudden-death

      And may I know, what violation did I do, as BubblewsSupport2 had reported on her page? I did not receive that email he/she said was sent. Please clarify as I would not be able to avoid the mistake if I did not know something I did was in violation of the old detailed TOU.

      My account is www.bubblews.com/account/228747

      Regards "

      Silence is the way they support members? I was warned of Bubblews when I posted my 5th post here, but I refused to believe!

      I want very much to share what other writing networks are paying and paying honestly here, but I have changed my mind and not about to reveal it here.

      Good luck and thank you to everyone who had been a support to me on here (I hope the life-saving shares on here or the money-making post I shared is good). I have made some friends with you on Facebook and very glad my time here is not totally wasted.

      My name will be joining the list of ex-bubblers' names on FTC soon if this is not resolved soon and more.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      It is a scam. There's no question. When you do anything on computer you set the boundaries, whether a margin, whether an alert, and wheather a user achieved $50.

      All real sites, or all those which were real at one time, make their payouts automatically. This site, for example, sends the money you earned on a particular day of a month. There aren't fifty sweaty people, pouring over the site, it is done Automatically.

      For you to have to 'alert' the site that you reached $50 is a delaying tactic It enables the site to use your money and if/when they will pay you.

      Why Bubblews is such a Bernie Madoff level scam is because of the tricks it uses, and the new ones it implements.

      "You Broke The Rules!" is crap.

      If I were to write an article on this, or any legitimate site, which 'Broke the Rules" it would be immediately flagged by the A.I. and removed or never published.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thank you to those who have shared their experiences since my last comment here. The more people who do, the more we learn the truth about Bubblews.

      I've put a little update near the end of this hub. It seems from the comments here and on other pages that Bubblews isn't improving at all, so I've said as much in the update. I also added a 5th point in my "Warning Signs" section about my interview with Arvind.... or rather then non-interview that Arvind refused to take part in because he didn't like the questions. He loves answering questions about batman and fluffy bunnies though! The interviews were probably part of his PR campaign, along with paying people like me and Buildreps back (because we have quite popular articles on the subject). So, what does that teach us... well, write a damning article about Bubblews, share it around the web, email them complaints until they can't take anymore, and maybe then they'll pay you. We can exchange links too!

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      Colleen Swan 2 years ago from County Durham

      Don't go to the trouble

      Of writing for Bubblews

      Unless you like not being paid

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      kellytruths 2 years ago

      Marsha Musselman1, you have a better way of making sure Arvind reads AND respond? NONE of them respond until one of their admins on Facebook is forced to admit they are staff, and then they do the disappearing act as quickly as they promised to pay you n a certain date. Credibilty: ZERO

      Thanks Thomas - for the updates! I hope this cheating online site will go down soon!

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      No problem Kelly. Would you be able to post the names of those admins/staff here in a comment? I'd be interested to know who they are and if I recognize some of the names. There are people who go around several hubs, blogs, and articles about Bubblews. They claim to be happy customers; talk about the thousands of dollars they've made; accuse all critics of breaking the rules; and usually have a relative in the hospital for us all to feel sorry about :)

      If we can catch some of these staff/admins pretending to be happy customers, it would add to the already substantial case against them.

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      kellytruths 2 years ago

      Sorry for the late reply, Thomas. Yep...I will start with the most obvious!

      CEO: Arvind Dixit http://www.bubblews.com/account/512-arvind

      President and Co-Founder: Jason Zuccari

      CTO (Chief Technology Officer): Tyler Pearson http://www.bubblews.com/account/179304-tyler /

      twitter.com/TylerPearson / ty.pearson@gmail.com

      Operations Manager: Briggs http://www.bubblews.com/account/51-briggs2158

      Noticed he can't even bring himself to use his full name?

      Ironically, his motto is "You get out of Bubblews what you put in."

      Will Webbs (shareholder). Can't recall his Twitter name (it is not Twitter.com/willwebbs )

      These are bubblews administrator' accounts:

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/225737-bubblewsmem... (With posts)

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/51654-bubblewssupp... (With posts)

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/14895-bubblewssupp... - no more...fired? Heard the rumour he was fired for saying that members cannot share their own bubblews posts on social networks more than once. This was announced by a bubblews member by the name of KASPER (the friendly ghost) which was disputed by a Bubblews sorta-leader team that made sure bubblews facebook group members' posts got shared and liked!

      The rest:

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/99147-bubblewstech...

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/97534-bubblewsassi...

      http://www.bubblews.com/account/97532-bubblewswatc...

      Manual King Lagey, a Pino, on Facebook is also one of the then 3 moderators for Bubblews. (It's rumoured they have more mods now.) Now the thing is this, are mods not supposed to be bubblews writers too on Bubblews? Which is a violation of their own TOS?

      STAY AWAY from this scammy website that break their own rules, for any one thinking of writing. POSTANYARTICLE.com is also another one you should avoid. They also do the same (kick away users randomly.)

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for the information Kelly. I don't recognize the names, but it's good to know who they are. I will look out for them and refer to your comment in future. You're right that people should stay away from Bubblews. The number of complaints is going up a lot lately. In fact, someone I know (in real life) recently wasn't paid. It's been about 2 months since they redeemed. I can vouch for their integrity and skill as a writer, so I know you're also speaking the truth when you call Bubblews a scam site.

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      kelly.truth 2 years ago

      Thank you Thomas! Yes, I speak from the heart! When I complained to Arvind via a Bubblews post, I told my friend I am willing to swear th truth on my grandmother's grave. lol My only hope that more won't get scammed! God bless you and more, Thomas!

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      No problem Kelly. Having to swear the truth is something all of us critics are required to do for some reason. However, there's nothing to be gained from criticizing Bubblews. Conversely, those who vehemently support Bubblews could easily be driven by money. The people who appear on multiple articles around the web saying how "revolutionary" the site is and how they made "$3,912" in one month, or whatever, are the one's that deserve suspicion. I can see why Bubblews would pay people to say that. Unfortunately, they're telling people what they want to hear, so they get away with it. Everyone wants to think they can make that kind of money.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      I am play a Bubble game. I have reached a redemption. I am writing to them asking them to review my account before I put in for that redemption. I've written them an email a week for the past six weeks. They answer with a form letter, than nothing. So far I haven't put in, they haven't clarified the 2 missing redempptions

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      Anthony Davis 2 years ago

      I hit redeem on August 14th. 2014. It will take 30 days to receive my first redemption on or around the 14th of September, 2014. It is currently September 06, 2014. I have apparently 8 more days to get my money. I am still waiting. Meanwhile I have already hit the bank for another, second 50 dollar redemption that they tell me will take up to 30 days from that date just a week ago. I am half way through my 3rd redemption. I have seen the writing on the wall but somehow keep posting in hopes I will be seen. I have some real followers who are former writers for Yahoo! Contributor Network and some of them tell me they have been paid every time. I believe the ones who say that. I have nothing else to do but wait and see. I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place. I have devoted time and value to the site and I deserve some kind of monetary compensation as promised by Bubblews. I will only consider leaving if I am in fact, not paid by around late September or early October. By then I will have exhausted my interests there unless I am given more reasons to remain. Bubblews is the first site I have posted since the closing of YCN and Voices in August.

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      Dedicated Content Curator 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      Anthony Davis - that's one of the problems, by the time a payment is late, the author's already several hundreds of hours down and with other redemptions in the pipeline.

      I'd not written for a few months, but just went back (I was busy, nothing wrong with the site)..... during my absence I logged in and redeemed twice and was paid. When I returned to start actively participating I redeemed after my first day (because the bank was nearly at $50 when I returned).... so now waiting for that one - and I'll redeem this week .... and next week ..... so, holding my breath it's all OK.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Qeyler, Bubblews do seem to be emailing back more lately, but it doesn't seem to be improving their customer service, or whether they pay people what they're owed. Rather, Bubblews seem to be using emails to mess people about. They reply saying they'll look into it. They sometimes ask for more information. Eventually though, they run out of things to say and return to ignoring you. It's a delaying tactic. They don't intend to help anyone get their money.

      Hi Anthony, thanks for commenting. Please let me know what happens. I would reduce your contribution on Bubblews until you're sure they're going to pay you. Best not to waste your time if you're not sure. Eventually though, a large proportion of people run into payment issues one way or the other. If this is your first redemption, you stand a better chance of getting it.

      Earner, this 30 day delay seems to fit with their other delaying tactics. They increased the payout limit to 50 dollars. They're using emails to drag disputes out over several weeks or months. Now, they're making people wait longer to get paid. I don't know what the motivation is. Maybe there's a certain proportion of people who lose interest or forget about what they're owed. I read your hub where you said you've only gotten 56% of redemptions. I'm not sure I could keep writing for a site that owes me several hundred dollars, even if I'd been paid for the others. Who's to say they won't steadily reduce that to 30% or 10%? Also, just the principle of it is something I find upsetting... that's there's someone in the Bubblews office arbitrarily deciding whether you get your money. I can't stand it or recommend it to anyone.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      When I first joined the old Bub they paid within like 4 days. Then, of course, they never paid again. What happens is that you're writing up a storm after that first Redemption, thinking; "Oh Yes! This site is Legit!" So within a week or so you hit Redeem for your next, assuming that you'll get it in Four Days, and write more articles. At the end of 4 days, you haven't gotten your second, have put in for your 3rd and are halfway to your 4th, just like Anthony.

      I know they aren't going to pay me. That's why every week I write;

      "Hi Guys! Listen, I'm a bit afraid to put in for my Redemption as you owe me two...can you check your records? HaVE A GREAT DAY!"

      Now you know and I know they are a scam. They started with $25 a week after it was put in for, moved that to two weeks, moved the $25 to $50, moved the wait to 30 Days...

      Bubblews is the Biggest Scam on the Net today.

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      Buildreps 2 years ago from Europe

      Sorry, wrong link, here's the right one: http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/bubblews-non-paym...

      Thomas the former two comments are perhaps somewhat unnecessary. Can you remove at least mine? Thanks.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      I've added a poll to this hub about half way down the page in a blue box. Please vote and get this thing ticking.

      You're right Qeyler, it looks like a sophisticated scam that selectively pays based on criteria that have nothing to do with its Terms of Use. You start with a low threshold, where you don't need to be worth much to Bubblews to get your first redemption. Then the threshold rises for later redemptions, causing floods of people to run into problems. At least that's what the evidence suggests.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      For the past Four months, every week I write; "Hi guys! Listen, you owe two redemptions. Can you check your records?" And I get one of their form letters. And, of course, nothing.

      I'm impressed that the Old Bub has been going on so long.

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      Laksh 2 years ago

      Hi,

      what happened to another similar hub from a friend of yours? Apparently Arvind Dixit was compromising with him to remove the hub in return for payment. I had commented strongly on that hub, and within 2 days, my bubblews account was deleted for a 'violation'.

      I was just looking for that hub but couldn't find it..

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      Borg232 2 years ago

      They have cut me off after working for months. Everyone who wants to earn more will be cut off. This is insane... they truly are a scam guys. Do not invest time in them... it is insanely not worth it

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      Lissa Clason 2 years ago from Fayetteville, North Carolina

      I sent in my first redemption request a while back, at the beginning of August. They say they have a 30-day waiting period, so I waited for the thirty days... and waited, and waited. Eventually I sent them an email asking (in polite phrasing) when my payment would be coming. No answer. It's been over 60 days since I tried to redeem and haven't heard anything from them. My account hasn't been closed, but after reading this I'm not sure I'll ever see that money. I haven't broken any of their rules; I read the terms and conditions very carefully and regularly check it for updates. If I've broken some sort of rule that wasn't in there, shouldn't they tell me so I can fix the problem? I'm not sure if I should continue writing there. If they aren't a scam, then they really need to sort out their problems by hiring more staff or automating redemptions.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      There is no question that Bubblews is a scam. This was proven over a year ago. The guy who runs it used to be with Yahoo so knows more about running a successful scam than Bernie Madoff.

      You will never be paid.

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      Buildreps 2 years ago from Europe

      qeyler, we were both paid after writing a Hub about B. You're commenting without reading the updates.

      It seems now the Bubblews ship is sinking, following the history of this discussion here on Hubpages: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/125458

      It starts the usual way like with 'shilly' behaviour 'I have been paid 19 times' until it appears according to this thread that the rules changed recently - paying occurs only once a month. The silence on this thread's suddenly deafening.

      Like you say qeyler - it's proven a year ago. It's a scam.

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      Dedicated Content Curator 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      I joined over a year ago to give it a go, knowing I might not be paid. Then payment was after 3 days. I got paid a whole bunch, then a lot were missed ($300). Then, all paid for the last 11 months. Now, the rules changed and I am not so assured. I've about 6 waiting to be paid (so nearly $400) and the first one's failed to materialise (37 days now).

      I now have about $55 in the bank, but can't redeem for another 24 days, then it'd take 30-35 days to be paid. Whole different ballgame. Spent a LOT of time trying to build up a reputation and all the sharing etc .... hoping it'd turn out all right, but now it's not looking quite so OK.

      It's coming up to Xmas, I won't be spending my evenings and days obsessed with the site any more. I'll sit on what I've got, dip in and dabble there "in case" it does come good.

      I've learnt some lessons there - and pocketed some needed cash. Time to return to the Hubpages fold now :)

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      kelly.truth 2 years ago

      I heard that their policy changed once again. "Effective October 28, 2014, Bubblews’ Compensation Policy is modified to: (a) increase the Redemption Period from 30 days to 60 days, and (b) allow just 1 redemption per month. " - http://www.bubblews.com/learningcenter

      CRAZY! Avoid Bubblews!!

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Well so far 75% of people think Bubblews is scamming some people. Thank you to those who voted.

      Qeyler, yea my Dad got something similar when he tried to redeem. It seems to be Bubblews new tactic: "mess people around with emails until they give up". I'm not sure what's worse, that or the silence! They paid me back all I was owed, which proves they have records of everyone who is owed money, and proves most or all of these people haven't broken any rules. Perhaps their offices will be raided some day, but I expect the records are on a hard drive that can be wiped.

      Hi Laksh, well if you comment with an account that doesn't give away your bubblews name, you should be perfectly safe. Others have commented here without any problems. I'm not sure what hub you're referring to. Buildreps has a few very popular hubs, but he's keeping them up. I can't recall others right now.

      Agreed Borg232, I started thinking they were trying to turn a new leaf about 10 months ago when they were paying some people back (including myself).... I even toned down this hub a bit. However, since then it's become quite clear that Bubblews hasn't changed at all. Over the summer they appear to have scammed more people than ever, including my own Dad! He's the most honest, decent person I know.

      Lissa Clason, thank you for your comment. Your experience is very familiar. Like everyone else who takes the time to complain, you worked hard, read the rules, followed them, but still got ripped off. They won't tell you anything about breaking a rule because you haven't broken one. If they told you that, they'd be accountable to their own TOU, and they'd be acknowledging that they owe you money if you proved them wrong (which you would no doubt be able to do). That's why they stay silent or BS you with poorly written emails that waste your time and send you in circles.

      Interesting update earner. You seem to have done very well, and yet they don't even pay you all the time. Agreed that earnings are getting less and delays are getting longer now. I've heard that a lot, though peculiarly, that may be because they're cleaning out some of the spammers and plagiarists who actually did abuse the system. Oh the irony. The bubble may be about to burst and it's probably because advertisers and marketers weren't willing to pay to support spam accounts anymore.

      Kelly, yep, that's what I heard on the grapevine too. It's actually similar to Hubpages in that regard, but for a site like Bubblews, where you never know if they'll just "forget" your redemption, it's not worth working 2 months for no return. The risk just became too high for the people who used to tolerate that.

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      Sondrac 2 years ago

      I have been writing on Bubblew for a long time now and have always received my payment. They never missed even one, including last week. Now is a different matter. I have earnings sitting and I am waiting. The message sent out this week says payments are not being sent out until the following weeks until they get their money figured out. So we were supposed to get paid this week. but now they changed it to another 4 weeks. So I will have to wait more or less 2 months to get paid the 50.00 they used to pay every 4 days. Gotta think things over but waiting to see how payment turns out

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for giving us your experience Sondrac. Those who Bubblews arbitrarily decide not to pay will be losing far more under this new system.

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      Maribel Forayo 2 years ago from Philippines

      I felt better after reading your post. This morning, I received an email that my account was deleted because of "not original" content. This is really a surprise for me. I had been in the site since April 2013, missed three payments but all others were paid.

      I am confident that my posts are mine and it cannot be "not original." The only reason I could think of why this happened, after reading your post is that I have about $700+ accumulated redemption since August. The site imposed longer time for redemption for "international users" like me so I was not worried at first and waited for 60 days. When I made my claim, they deleted my account. I cannot help but cry.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Glad to have helped iwrite100. Your comment is very timely. I had just speculated in my latest update to this hub that Bubblews changed their payment schedule in order to scam larger amounts of money out of people. Your experience about spending 2 months of your time and effort to accumulate hundreds of dollars... only to find that they've arbitrarily refused to pay is exactly what I'm talking about.

      I assume they just cited this rule at you without giving an example? Most likely that's because there isn't anything wrong. If there was, such as a quote you'd put into a post, any self-respecting company would give you a chance to fix it. Failing that, they'd delete that specific post. Deleting your whole account and taking every cent you've earned right after you hit redeem just screams scam. I'm deeply sorry that you've become a victim of this scam, and even more sorry that you're in the first group to be victimized by this new strategy to maximize the profit reaped by it.

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      Lissa Clason 2 years ago from Fayetteville, North Carolina

      An update on my situation: Interestingly enough, I got an email from Bubblews earlier today saying my payment was being sent to Paypal. So maybe I will give them the benefit of the doubt, and give them a second try to see if or when I receive a second redemption. Perhaps they noticed that I posted on here, and that's why they're paying me? I'll consider it an experiment to see if I have the same experience as others who were paid their first payment but never received a second or third. If I consider it an experiment, maybe I won't be so disappointed if the results come back negative :/

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      Maribel Forayo 2 years ago from Philippines

      Yes. Their email was too short. They deleted my account. Reason: not original content.

      It is ridiculous. I am writing for this site for one and a half year. I would be so stupid to change my way of posting and suddenly post "not original" content. I sent them an email asking what contents are "not original" with the fact that most of my posts were personal topics, some are my own crafts with my own pictures, all pictures are credited. I know what are allowed and what are not allowed when posting pics.

      I have been there for one and a half year. I would be the craziest mammal on earth if I will break rules at this time after posting close to 2500 posts, and gaining 13000 connections.

      Certainly, they just wanted to evade what they should pay me. Perhaps, they made another rule that it is not allowed to accumulate $700 over the span of 2 months.

      When they make new rules there, they apply it retroactively. This is a fact.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for the update Lissa Clason. Yes, Bubblews do seem to be concerned with pages like this on Hubpages and other sites. They might be helping people who post here in order to get more positive results in the comments. That makes them seem like less of a scam. The same has been said about a petition that Buildreps often mentions. Yes, I think it's good to not get your hopes up, and to take Bubblews for the lottery it is.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      iwrite100, you make a good point when ask why you would "change my way of posting and suddenly post not original content". If someone is a plagiarizer, they would start from day one. No-one regresses to plagiarizing after a year of writing original work. I haven't seen your bubbles, but I've seen your hubs, and they are very good and original.

      I doubt you'll get a reply to your question about "what isn't original?". It seems that they've either deleted your account for no reason, or perhaps you quoted someone/something or uploaded a picture that you've also put somewhere else... and they used that as an excuse to delete you. Any self-respecting company would warn you about that, but Bubblews are very good at finding unjust excuses for taking people's money.

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      Liz Elias 2 years ago from Oakley, CA

      I just started writing over there in Sept. 2014, on the recommendation of a well-known and trustworthy member here on HP.

      She has never had any problems on BWS.

      As of this comment, I am still about $3 shy of being able to make my first redemption claim, but the person who suggested the site to me also suggested to wait until there is a $5 or $6 cushion above the minimum, in case any comments got deleted.

      I'll see what happens, but, it seems to me, if a true scam is going on, then that leaves them open for a class-action lawsuit.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting DzyMsLizzy. Yes, best to wait until over the payout limit. Bubblews seem to be notorious for finding any reason to deny, forget, or lose payments.

      I think it is a `true scam', but a very crafty one. They do pay a percentage of their authors a percentage of the time, so it's often difficult to prove they're a scam. Bubblews will claim that those who weren't paid didn't follow the rules. This hub more or less proves that this excuse doesn't stand up. Also, Bubblews don't tell people what rule they're supposed to have broken, or where it was broken. They rarely respond to attempts to communicate with them because it would probably incriminate them if they did. So it would be difficult to 100% legally prove they're a scam, but then, they clearly know that. Another excuse they could use is that their website was malfunctioning. I think they've used that one before.

      It's also difficult to know where their business is based. I've heard California, Costa Rica, Panama, Philippines, and other places being mentioned that I can't remember right now.

      Best of luck getting your redemption. Please let me know what happens. As I said in the hub, you're more likely to get your first redemption than later ones.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      Thomas, if you ever needed proof of what Bubblews is, or what a Shill is, you've gotten it in the post of DZy....

      Hubpages is the 'Headquarters' for Shills. Factoidz used a number of 'Trusted' members of HP....who'd race around like mad wo/men and defend it and rope in others.

      Both of them turned totally against Factoidz when they were ripped off, and the site went down.

      Arvind Dixit, the Charles Ponzi of Writing scams, recruited both of them to Shill for Bubblews.

      They are always paid, but not for their 'writing'...they are paid for bringing in more idiots.

      There has been a report to Adsense about the Bubble.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Qeyler, I assume you're not saying Dzy is a shill, because I'm pretty certain she isn't! I also wondered who the trustworthy member on HP was though. I agree, there are a lot of people on this site who appear to work for Bubblews in a marketing capacity. I hadn't heard of Factoidz before, but it doesn't surprise me that Bubblews isn't the first scam to use this model.

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      No, Dzy is the person sucked into the scam...by the 'trusted member', who USED TO BE A SHILL for Factoidz, until her work was stolen and she was kicked to the ground by Quac.

      Now Dixit will use her for a football.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Well, we all make our own decisions. Without knowing who this trusted member shill is, it does seem that they're probably someone who leases out their social-media expertise and accounts to business's (like Bubblews and Factoidz) for precisely this purpose.

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      w1cht3l 2 years ago

      u dont have to break rules to be unpaid in bubblews. those who said it are bubblews staff.

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      w1cht3l 2 years ago

      bubblews.com is doing what listia.com was doing on every scam site saying that their own page is scam. find "own sites' staff" to say "people must break rules to be suspended"./

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      kelly chen 2 years ago

      "not allowed to accumulate $700 over the span of 2 months"!

      hahaha Laughable! It is obvious to me they cannot afford to pay MORE and to pay writers properly. Bubblews is a joke!

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      Dedicated Content Curator 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      Kelly - that's a new Bubblews rule to me! They do like to slide in the new rules, under the radar. It wouldn't surprise me if they did start such a rule :)

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      Gina145 2 years ago from South Africa

      I've been through good times and bad times with Bubblews. Between January and August I had no problems there, after having a bad run in the second half of 2013. Since August I've redeemed three times and only been paid once. It addition the pay rate has dropped so badly that I don't know how I'll ever reach $50 again. It's time to give Bubblews a break, and to edit the Hubs I wrote about the site long before I had any problems there. I hope they can still get their act in order, but I'm beginning to have my doubts.

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      peachy 2 years ago from Home Sweet Home

      they did replied but thru generate emails, I am fed up too

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      Shiela Gerona 2 years ago from Philippines

      I have second thoughts of writing to other small writing sites because I'm still upset with my B experience. I was able to make friends with other B members. What upsets me is their treatment with non-US members. I don't think they are being fair. As of December 2014, they will not give the payments for members who pressed the redeem button from August 2014 until December 12, 2014. They set new rules, saying that most members coming from our country commit fraud, that's why even honest members are not paid for their hard work. Time and effort was wasted, but it's a lesson well-learned on the hard way.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting PinoyMom, peachpurple, Gina45, earner, kelly, and w1ch3l.

      I think the number of authors who aren't being paid is so high now that it's impossible for anyone to say it isn't a scam. Unless thousands more people have suddenly decided to start breaking the rules, the `rude optimists' will have to keep quiet from now on. I've had some horrible encounters with a couple of the more deranged ones. Most have actually deleted their bubblews accounts now, which proves what they are: shills, or just horrible people. Anyway, it was worth it. I like to think I had some part in revealing their practices.

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      Heidi Burr 2 years ago from Fairbanks, Alaska

      As of today they have decided that they will not pay old redemption claims at all and lowered the amount they will pay for redemptions that have already been filed and are in their waiting period.

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      David Gitachu 2 years ago from Nairobi, Kenya

      You have finally been vindicated -- you were right all along. Bubblews is a scam!

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      AOkay12 2 years ago from Florida

      I reduced the amount of time spent there since the changes rolled out in July 2014. After that point, it seemed much more difficult to make earnings on Bubblews. It just required more effort, for less money.

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      Thomas Swan 2 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks for commenting jezebella42. It looks like the scam is finally coming to an end. They're filling their pockets and getting ready to jump ship.

      Cheers gitachud. I do like being right!

      Thanks for the update AOkay12. The changes were just another way to reduce the money they have to pay out. It allows them to hoard more in time for the big closure announcement.

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      Vampirate 2 years ago from Somewhere in Dreams

      There's no doubt now Bubblews is and always has been a scam. After years of lies and broken promises and more or less randomly and wrongfully withholding thousands of dollars (probably more than $10,000) from hundreds of writers, Bubblews has announced it's not going to pay anybody any earnings before 11 November 2014 because of -- it claims -- rampant fraud. That is not, of course, a legal ground for it to refuse to pay what it promised to pay to all the people who honestly earned money for Bubblews' coffers and to maintain Arvind and Jason's extremely expensive San Francisco lifestyle. It's just another excuse. And this time, it's a breach of contract (thousands of contracts) at best and possibly outright fraud.

      I've discovered that some savvy people have been filing online complaints about Bubblews' nonpayments with the San Francisco Better Business Bureau, and so far every complainant has gotten paid. It seems Bubblews is desperate for investors and needs to maintain an "A" rating with the BBB to try and make itself look good. So it will probably keep paying complainants for a while at least.

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      Insane Mundane 2 years ago from Earth

      I think one of the main things more people need to look at is the fact that they shouldn't have been paid that much to begin with; ha! Seriously? Typing poppycock for pennies is the norm, albeit many of the participants (Writers? Ha-ha!) over at Bubblews actually became way too accustomed to getting paid hundreds of dollars for a bunch of inane twaddle and senseless drivel. Earning regular payouts each month online by simply typing vacuous paragraphs within a desperate community each day deserves nothing, which is what most of them are getting nowadays. Sure, their business model, website, and all of that sucks, but they don't owe anybody anything and the ones who got paid even once, should be thankful they made those easy greenbacks. For the ones who disagree with that, they need to either get a life or, perhaps, get their own website? LOL!

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      qeyler 2 years ago

      Insane Mundane; on one had yeah, Bubblews publishes crap and crap shouldn't be paid for. But on the other, there are people who join, write good stuff, and aren't paid.

      The fact is, the owner is a World Class con man.

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      Insane Mundane 2 years ago from Earth

      @qeyler: Yeah, which is why out of the 700+ posts I made on there, I've slowly transferred the decent ones over to my other blogs and whatnot. That leaves me with about 80 posts left and, when it is all said and done, they can keep my remaining 50 or 60 or whatever crap posts I permanently leave behind; ha!

      The bottom line is that Bubblews isn't worthy of any post that is written above the 6th grade English level. Con jobs, scammers, or whatever you want to call the owners of the site doesn't matter. The fact is, as you say, that you are just dusting your pathetic verbiage into the gigantic wind of the Interweb and, unless you have full control of your own material, websites, etc., you may as well kneel down before those so-called authoritative sites you feel so comfortable enjoying the free-hosting services at. Dang, it sounds like the welfare system is trying to enter the "make money online" scenario... LOL!

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      Andrea 21 months ago

      I was one of the few that signed up at the very beginning and received payments often. Not only that, they would run competitions which I was paid for as well. I said that to say, Arvind had so little beginners that some of us had his number (me). My son and husband had accounts as well. (Son eventually deleted for inactivity). I was VERY active, sharing to FB and twitter, and posting. So when he starting changing everything and not paying me for my advertisements, I called him. Instantly replied, you have the wrong number. Well I actually I didn't bc he let the phone call go to VM and the outgoing message stated, hello you've reached Avi lol. So I left him a message telling him, it's ridiculous you are saying wrong number but your voicemail has your name included. He eventually paid me, but deleted my account because it accumulated to approx $70 again and he didn't want to pay again. He's a very dishonest individual who went back on his word of a business he started. He used all of us to promote and assist in growing his website and then refused to pay.

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      qeyler 21 months ago

      I realised Bubblews was a Ponzi fairly early. I was luckier than you because I had a 'feeling' he would change the $25 to $50, which he did. Having not been paid for my 2nd $25 I did not put in again. The $$ accumulated and it reached $50 and I put in and as it was my First $50 redemption it was paid.

      Since then, Arvi-poo locked my account at 2c he recently raised it to 3c .

      He uses people, he uses their work and it amazes me how he skirts investigation for running a Ponzi scheme.

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      Vampirate 20 months ago from Somewhere in Dreams

      Bubblews is officially dead. They suddenly took all the lightbulbs, locked, the doors and abandoned the sinking ship ahead of the rats. Oh, and they took the accumulated earnings of everyone who was still writing on the site but hadn't reached the $50 payout level.

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      qeyler 20 months ago

      What a surprise...(sarcasm dripping). What I enjoy so much...(sick sense of humour) is that most of us realised Bub was a scam.. This discussion was posted Over TWO (2) YEars ago and updated a year ago.

      Yet...

      People still posted.

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      Shiela Gerona 20 months ago from Philippines

      Bubblews website is no longer accessible. It shutdown.

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      qeyler 20 months ago

      the bubble went down early November 15

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