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Research company DIY Wazzub, Perfect Internet, GIT Global Investment, what is this alleged opportunity?

Updated on March 3, 2015

Introduction

When it comes to a potential income opportunity, "due diligence" is always needed, especially when some sort of investment is needed. Previously, I have written a hub on how to research the Internet for information on a supposedly income opportunity, but some have said there are no examples for them to follow. Here, we will test all the techniques and suggestions, and use it to research an opportunity that is supposedly being launched in 2012.

Please keep in mind that information can and do change. All results will be presented as they are during mid-January 2012. If there are any additional information, they will be appended as they are found.

The opportunity we will research is Wazzub, which is at wazzub.com and Wazzub.info (and later, Wazzubcharity.org)

The research items we'll cover includes, but is not limited to:

  • WHOIS domain registration data
  • business registration data for owner(s) / officer(s) / location(s) / document(s)
  • any addresses that are attached (are they real business locations?)
  • any names attached to the opportunity as owner, officer, etc.
  • any related websites and their contents (source code, illustrations, etc.)
  • Google search results
  • any promoters of this "opportunity" and their prior careers and links

Keep in mind that as we discover items, they will often lead us to other items of interest, which can be cross-referenced.

Before we get started, let us emphasize a few rules of research online:

  1. What exactly was said? (Go to the source)
  2. Who said it? (Not hearsay, again, go to the source.)
  3. Is that person believable? What is that person's reputation?
  4. Can what was said be corroborated or verified by reputable source?
  5. Are any logical fallacies present?

For more information on what sort of questions to ask, please consult my other hub

First we will research its domain info and see what sort of information we can peel from it. All research will be documented so you can duplicate it yourself.

UPDATE: Possible Wazzub owner mastermind found. You be the judge, jump to the end section (before comments).

UPDATE: Wazzub "launch" fizzled, changed tune to "success sharing", not "profit sharing". You be the judge, jump to the end section (before comments)

[ Enjoy this research? Check out my investigation into another supposed opportunity: HugeYield.com, which claims to be a "member advertising network", but what is it really? Also, there's my investigation into another claimed advertising network called GetPaidMagic, and how it's related to two other potential scams. ]

Address says... regular house, not business district
Address says... regular house, not business district
Google Search of Address has some interesting results which we will check
Google Search of Address has some interesting results which we will check
Internet Global Value has no address either, the address listed is that of the "registered agent"
Internet Global Value has no address either, the address listed is that of the "registered agent"

wazzub.com -- what can we get from it?

First of all, who registered the domain? Generally, I go to domaintools.com, but this provided rather scant info in January 2012:

Registrant:
GIT Global Investments Inc.

Registered through: Go Daddy
Domain Name: WAZZUB.COM

However, it did say it was registered through Godaddy.com, so you go to godaddy.com, which has its own whois server, and that yielded quite a bit more information:

Registrant:
GIT Global Investments Inc.

391 NW 179 Ave
Beaverton, Oregon 97006
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: WAZZUB.COM
Created on: 11-Jun-11
Expires on: 11-Jun-17
Last Updated on: 03-Jan-12

Administrative Contact:
Department, Hosting service@wazzub.com
GIT Global Investments Inc.
391 NW 179 Ave
Beaverton, Oregon 97006
United States
+1.5418338222

[ NOTE: In late January 2012 Wazzub updated their WHOIS info, see Update 29-JAN-2012 ]

Check WHOIS archives

Before we move on, let us check the WHOIS archives... Has the domain registration information been changed recently? You do that by going to who.is and do archive search (no longer works), which shows that there was a previous owner as recent as November 2011! On November 25th, 2011, the domain was registered to "Internet Global Value". Sometime after that, domain name was registered to "GIT Global Investments".

We will have to research both later. They could indicate common ownership or domain transfer, or it could have NOTHING to do with Wazzub at all. it was not uncommon for one person to register the domain and someone else to run it.

Items of Interest: business name(s) and their addresses, through WHOIS registration data, and their phone number

Verify all addresses

What is at 391 NW 179 Ave, Beaverton, OR 97006, which is the registered address of Wazzub / GIT Global Investment? Type the address into Google Maps, choose satellite view, and you get a normal house at the end of a cul-de-sac, certainly not a business in a business district. Indeed, realtor.com confirms that the house is a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom single family residence, last sold in 1991.

Okay, what else can you find at that address? If you search on regular Google with that address, you will get... Map of the place which we got already. There's a PDF from... state of Oregon? Interesting. Real estate and property tax records, okay. That proves it's a residential house. Link to... Scam.com? Take that with a grain of salt as any one can complain there. Link to North Atlantic Seafood? Interesting. We will explain each link in turn.

So what's that PDF from State of Oregon? It's addressed to William B. Halvorson... who resides at GIT Global Investment's address. It's a cease and desist order from State of Oregon, telling Mr. Halvorson and his various companies (at least 10 different ones, all claiming to be banking, investment, trust, and similar big sounding names, ALL registered to the same address) to stop registering any more companies with names that sounds like banking, trust, or that sort of business, as Mr. Halvorson is not permitted by Oregon law to do so, and will refrain from doing so in the future.

Should the fact that GIT Global Investment, which also has the word "investment" in their name, and is registered to the same address (albeit, a SLIGHTLY different name), concern you? I don't know. It seems Mr. Halvorson violated the cease and desist by registering the company "GIT Global Investment", but that's state of Oregon's problem.

Or even a more relevant question: GIT Global Investment is not an internet company. Why is it running Wazzub? Who is behind this GIT Global Investment?

Another couple names we got from the document are Cathy L Halverson (different spelling of last name), who appears to live in California, the lawyer Bengt Stenbock (who signed for the defendant), and the Notary Public, Tamara L. Burton, who is actually in California, NOT Oregon. It is interesting that Cathy L. Halverson was included in that "cease and desist" order as well.

Items of interest: all related people names, in combination with other items of interest

NOTE: alternate city and town names

Another interesting fact: while the address we typed in is Beaverton, OR, apparently the town is also known as Aloha, OR. If you enter either town name you get the same address and the same house. Thus we have to search for both town names. Also note the surname variant.

Items of interest: alternate names or spellings, such as Halverson vs. Halvorson, or different town names referring to the same location, such as Beaverton vs. Aloha.

What else can we find on this address?

If you keep searching Google that address, you'll find that a website called YellowPagesUSA.com (no longer active) also used that address as corporate mailing address.

If you keep searching Google, you'll also find a "Guardian Venture Investments" on Oregon Business Registry official website, registered to the SAME Aloha, OR address, but the registered agent is a Cathy L. Halverson in Roseville, California, who is also president and secretary.

And that "North Atlantic Seafood" company? Also at that same address, with William B. Halvorson as president! Same pattern as that "cease and desist" order from state of Oregon.

Let's check GIT Global Investment Inc... Which turns out to be a business registered by Cathy L. Halverson, and was "freshly" registered in September 2011. However, note that the registered business address may be in Oregon, Cathy L. Halverson actually lives in Roseville, California. Furthermore, the incorporation documents at the Oregon state website shows that the incorporator is a "Robert A. Lee". As the officers of the corporation, other than Cathy L. Halverson herself, is unknown, we have no idea what relation does this Robert A Lee has with the company.

Thus far, we have still not yet found where Wazzub, or GIT Global Investment, actually do business. It clearly can't be that residential house in Beaverton, Oregon, or that address in Roseville, California. So where is Wazzub / GIT Global Investments?

We can conclude that Cathy L. Halverson is probably William B. Halvorson's relative of some sort, both are serving as registration agents in their respective states. In other words, GIT Global Investments claims to be an Oregon company, even though it operates in Nevada. It is perfectly legal to do so, of course.

Item of Interest: chase down this "Robert A. Lee" and address, as well as T. Burton, and B. Stenbock.

Further research via Google on this "Robert A. Lee" shows that his registered address is same as Cathy L. Halverson's Roseville, California Address, which appears to be a law office, and a Incorporation service (where you go to get a company incorporated). He also appeared as "president" and "secretary" on various companies registered in Oregon, all registered with the same location (with the same T. Burton in California as notary public). And B Stenbock is their attorney. They apparently all work for the same company.

What about Internet Global Value?

Internet Global Value was never registered as a business in Oregon. However, it was registered in... Delaware in 31-MAR-2011! And additional information cost $$$. Research for the domain name "Internet Global Value" shows that the domain is registered to a "Earth Class Mail" PO Box in San Francisco, with a phone number that goes back to Wilmington, Delaware. (and a bit more info about this "Earth Class Mail service"). So that got us nowhere, except it seems to indicate we got the right company.

So what are the facts so far?

  • Internet Global Value (registered in Delaware, but traces to a PO Box in San Francisco) is related to GIT Global Investments (registered in Oregon, mailing address in California, claimed physical address in Nevada) as Wazzub.com shows as owned by both of them
  • GIT Global Investment's company registration agent had been issued a "cease and desist" by state of Oregon for registering companies that claims to be trust, bank or investment without having the authority to do so, which is a violation of Oregon banking laws.
  • GIT Global Investment is registered in Oregon, but does not operate in Oregon
  • There is absolutely NO information on who owns or runs GIT Global Investments


Analysis of the facts

The only thing that can be ascertained from the facts thus far is the owners and corporate officers of Wazzub / GIT Global Investments are unknown.

Moreover, "GIT Global Investment" is registered through an agent who was under "cease and desist" by state of Oregon to stop registering businesses with names of "bank", "trust", or "investment" as it's a violation of Oregon banking law. And "investment" is a part of "GIT Global Investments". Does that mean the cease and desist was violated? I don't know. That'd be up to state of Oregon to decide. But it is another point to consider.


Google search for "GIT Global Investment Inc."... results, results... Two interesting ones.
Google search for "GIT Global Investment Inc."... results, results... Two interesting ones.
Address of 7251 Lake Mead Blvd. Las Vegas, NV. What does that mean?
Address of 7251 Lake Mead Blvd. Las Vegas, NV. What does that mean?
Gee DaCosta, on official Wazzub blog, admits to using Regus, only admits to 5 members (as of January 16th, 2012).
Gee DaCosta, on official Wazzub blog, admits to using Regus, only admits to 5 members (as of January 16th, 2012).
Regus offers mailbox, virtual office, and more at the same address as Wazzub / whatever.
Regus offers mailbox, virtual office, and more at the same address as Wazzub / whatever.

What is this GIT Global Investments?

Let us turn toward this business called "GIT Global Investments", registered in Oregon, with a registered business location in a home in suburban Oregon, but with a MAILING address in Roseville California.

Search on Internet for the company name revealed that "GIT Global Investments" is a "sound-alike" for a legitimate software company in Canada called "GIT -- Global Investment Technologies".

The "lookupbook" link goes to a 404 not found webpage. Starting at the domain root and search from there shows no anomalies. Company was listed under investments, but that's probably due to its title, not its classification code.

Let us examine the final link on the Google search results... It goes to a heavily promo website Homebizblogs.com, so take the info with a few grains of salt. it is a post from "successwithphil", and it's a bunch of Q&A about Wazzub. Where did this information came from? No idea. Thus, take THAT with many grains of salt. Remember, we are not taking anything for granted. Government info, we can trust. Random posting on the Internet? Not trust-worthy unless backed up by more reliable info.

However, two questions and answers are interesting:

Q. Who owns and operates WAZZUB?

WAZZUB is an international project that has been created by a handful of entrepreneurs and investors. In September 2011 they founded GIT Global Investments, Inc. (GIT) for the purpose of running WAZZUB and related businesses. GIT is registered under the laws of Oregon. The Registration # is 802159-90.

A team of more than 20 specialists is working hard to turn WAZZUB into a huge success; most of them are behind the scenes and some of them are visible for all members - for example, our Master Distributor and our Support Staff.

Q. Where is WAZZUB’s office?

GIT’s registered office is at 391 NW 179th Ave, Beaverton, OR 97006
and our WAZZUB headquarters is located at 7251 Lake Mead Blvd, Las Vegas, NV 89128.

Aha, another address to check! 7251 Lake Mead Blvd. Las Vegas, NV is Wazzub HQ.

Keep in mind, of course, the source of this entire posting is unknown, and thus accuracy is low to negligible, but it is data.

The explanation makes no sense, but that's addressed in the analysis section at the end.

What is at 7251 Lake Mead Blvd, Las Vegas, NV?

It is an office building with offices rent. However, if you notice, there is no suite number in the address. it just points at the front door. And if you see the building, it's clear there are like a hundred suites in the building and there is no way this business will take up the whole building, not when all the OTHER businesses are taking up individual suites. There are 72 Google Places search results, means there are at least 72 businesses in that building, most of them have a real suite number (but not all). (see picture)

If you search the address itself, not on maps, but on Google, you'll see a link to Regus, who provides both real and virtual office rentals at that very building. Real offices have suite numbers. The GIT Global Investment Inc. address we found has none. That means it is almost certain to be a "virtual office".

However, in a different source, where an alleged e-mail sent from Wazzub to potential members, a suite 364 was mentioned.

WAZZUB International
GIT Global Investments Inc.
7251 West Lake Mead Boulevard
Suite 364
Las Vegas, NV 89128
USA

Thus, it could be that the prior citation simply "lost" the suite number. It may or may not be a real office. Someone needs to visit that location in person to make a determination. On the other hand, why is this address NOT on the WHOIS registration data, and NOT on the website itself, I have no idea. Is it shady? Yes. Is it a scam? I don't know.

UPDATE: WHOIS data has been updated, and the Las Vegas address (without the suite number) is shown.

UPDATE 09-FEB-2012 SOME WHOIS data has been updated again, now says Suite 364 (previously it lists no suite number) Wazzub.info has suite number, Wazzub.com does not.

UPDATE 05-MAR-2012 The Suite 364 designation is gone from both WAZZUB.COM and WAZZUB.INFO. Both now only point at the front door of the building.

As of January 16th, 2012, Gee DaCosta, on the official Wazzub Blog, said there are 5 team members (total?) working on Wazzub. Quoting from the blog (see picture to right)

2. Is your “Headquarters” a real office or just virtual?
Our Las Vegas office is a real office. Right now (Mon, Jan 16, 12:30pm) there are 5 WAZZUB Team members present and working.

UPDATE 10-NOV-2012 Oregon Secretary of State redesigned their website. New search results lists "Michael DeBias" as secretary, with a "Mary Northrup" as president. However, the address given is a company registrar's office. Also, there's a document that says the company name changed to "Perfect Internet" as of July 2012.

What are the facts so far?

  • There is no company called Wazzub.
  • GIT Global Investments is a sound-alike to "GIT -- Global Investment Technology" of Canada
  • GIT Global Investment is NOT an investment company, despite its name.
  • GIT Global Investment claims to operate in Las Vegas, NV
  • GIT Global Investments use Regus office services (no idea whether it's real or virtual)
  • GIT Global Investments gave address as front door of an office building, no suite number
  • We have no idea what GIT Global Investment actually do, how big it is, and so on
  • GIT Global Investment changed name to "Perfect Internet" (July 2012)
  • GIT Global is now officially linked to Michael DeBias. (Sept 2012)


Analysis of the Facts

There is no company called Wazzub, or trademark, or copyright, or any such protection for the name. The ONLY THING they have is a domain name. Apparently the name is not very important to "Team Wazzub".

The Q&A quoted above makes no sense. If you want to start a Internet business, you don't start a company with "investment" in the name. You would just start a business with that name! Is there actually a "business" called Wazzub? Apparently not! There is a business called "GIT Global Investments" that also claim to be called "Wazzub", but not in any sort of official capacity other than a domain name (which means very little). It's not trademarked, registered as a "fictitious business name" (i.e. "doing business as") or such. In fact, If I were to register a business today called Wazzub, I can probably sue them out of that name, as I would have legal name definition, and they don't.

GIT Global Investments is a "sound-alike" to an existing company in Canada, but registered in Oregon, mailing address in California, and alleged physical location in Nevada. This is troubling, but not illegal. However, it also is not doing any investment. While perfectly legal, this is also troubling. We simply have NO IDEA what GIT Global Investment actually do. Wazzub's rebuttal CLAIM "GIT Global Investments" was specifically founded to run Wazzub. Why wasn't it simply called Wazzub Inc. then? The explanation doesn't make sense.

Furthermore, GIT Global Investment, i.e. Wazzub, admits to using Regus virtual office services. They claim they are a 'startup' and thus use a "shared office". However, that should mean they would still have a suite number and only share the conference room and receptionist. They are inconsistent about the suite number (some correspondence claim Suite 364, others don't have it, including WHOIS registration records). With no suite number, this would indicate this is no more than a virtual office where all mail and calls are forwarded, making it a fancy PO Box. The verdict is unclear, and that is another question mark on this questionable company.

We have no idea how big "GIT Global Investments" is. There is no official record like payroll to prove the company size. Alleged statements from Gee DaCosta and/or Team Wazzub are inconsistent. Some say "20 specialists", others say "5 Team Members". This points to a tiny operation. When compared to Google's 32000 employees, it is questionable how can Wazzub come even CLOSE to emulate Google or Facebook or anyone else.


Wazzub.com snapshot dated 12-JAN-2012
Wazzub.com snapshot dated 12-JAN-2012
Pointing woman is stock photo
Pointing woman is stock photo
Bag of Money is stock photo as well
Bag of Money is stock photo as well
Gee DaCosta's profile on Blogger, part of his heywazzub.blogspot.com
Gee DaCosta's profile on Blogger, part of his heywazzub.blogspot.com

Website Wazzub.com itself -- what can be learned from it?

While the information presented at the respective websites are useful, they are often the least accurate or reliable, as they will present a purely one-sided view, possibly with a lot of omitted information. Furthermore, the "official-ness" of the website is never guaranteed. We will chase down various bits of information.

So what is at Wazzub.com? It claims to be a "profit-sharing" phenomenon. But what exactly does it do? You won't find it in the website. Indeed, it only links to Facebook, Twitter, a blog on the free blogspot.com domain, and some sort of a "calculator". There is no info other than a count-down timer, which seem to be counting down to April 9th, 2012.

If you ran the two images, the pointing woman, and the bag of money, through TinEye the reverse image search engine, you will find both are stock photos. The woman is from iStockPhoto, and bag of money is from GettyImages. This by itself does not indicate fraud, but it is a sign of a cheaply constructed website.

If you read the blog (which is actually at http://heywazzub.blogspot.com/ (a free blog space provided by Blogger.com) you'll notice that it just want you to recruit people and encourage them to recruit yet more people, and the more you recruit, the more money you can "potentially earn". In fact, this is direct quote from the blog:

Example: If you invite just 5 people to join for free and they do the same 5 generations deep, you could earn about $4,000 every month PASSIVELY for life, doing NOTHING different than what you are currently doing every day.

But who posted this? Who owns this blog? Often the poster is not known, or left no profile, but there is a link at the very bottom, that says it was posted by a "Gee DaCosta". If you click on it, you get his profile

http://www.blogger.com/profile/04244406561045451978

He claims to be a "master distributor", but he doesn't claim to be the owner. Hmmm, interesting, isn't it? Gee DaCosta deserves further study.

So what are the facts?

  • Design of Wazzub.com and Wazzub.info looks rather... cheap
  • Both pictures are stock photos with no attribution
  • There are various pages that was unlinked from the blog
  • We still have no idea what Wazzub is supposed to do, much less make money from it
  • Wazzub's blog is hosted on Blogspot, the FREE blog offered by Blogger
  • The Blog's owner is "Gee DaCosta" (but we STILL don't know who owns Wazzub / GIT Global Investment) who got a variety of titles, from "chief distributor" (his own words on the blog) to "chief marketing officer" (Wazzub rebuttal)

Analysis of the facts

We still don't know who runs Wazzub and/or GIT Global Investments, despite searching through two websites and various corporate records, and various Wazzub "rebuttals".

The fact that Wazzub ran their blog on the free Blogger / Blogspot account indicates this is a cheaply assembled operation, which seems to contradict their claim that this project was well funded to the tune of millions of dollars. Adding blog support to web hosting is only an extra few dollars a month. Add to that the cheap looking website (honestly, it looks like its assembled by a 12-year old) further adds to that impression. Add to that cheap stock photos and this doesn't exactly give you a good impression.

Add that to the incredible claim that "recruit people, pay nothing, maybe make money in the future", and you wonder how can they EVER back up that claim.

The only specific name we can attach to Wazzub thus far is Gee DaCosta

if you search for Wazzub on Google this turns up (your result may vary)
if you search for Wazzub on Google this turns up (your result may vary)
Hidden facts page, www.wazzub.info/facts.htm, original launch date is April Fool's Day, 2012!
Hidden facts page, www.wazzub.info/facts.htm, original launch date is April Fool's Day, 2012!
So how does Wazzub make money? By pretending to be Google, they say
So how does Wazzub make money? By pretending to be Google, they say

What Does Google Search of Wazzub turn up?

Google search of "wazzub" turned up the original wazzub.com, which we had assumed was "official", but may not be. We keep checking and we found another website called wazzub.info. All the other links are to alleged "review" websites, which will be ignored.

Why do we ignore "review" websites? Because often they are written by shills who claim to review the opportunity, but instead give you a recruiting speech. Or they can be written by counter-shills who just want to insult the opportunity and send you in a different direction. Yet another possibility are those "marketing coaches" that want to train you for $$$ by pretending to review something but tell you that you won't succeed without his or her lessons.

Any way, let us see what we can get from wazzub.info?

Who.is showed that wazzub.info is also registered through Godaddy, and yielded the same GIT Global Investment Inc. and Beaverton OR address.

However, the DNS archives through who.is showed that it was previously registered to Internet Global Value, that gave a Delaware address. Strangely, it has the SAME PHONE NUMBER as the Oregon address.

Internet Global Value Inc.
2711 Centerville Road
Suite 400
Wilmington, Delaware 19808
phone: +1.5418338222

Checking the 541 area code shows that it is indeed area code for Oregon, and 833 prefix is near Beaverton / Aloha, Oregon.

Checking the Delaware address revealed it to be a corporation registration service. In other words, it is a "company proxy", used to hide the real address of the company, just like William B. Halvorson and Cathy L. Halverson are doing at GIT Global Investments Inc. by registering it at the Oregon address.

Both websites are "official" as they are effectively the same, albeit there's a few more pages found through the other one. However, we still don't know anything about the real owners of Wazzub or where are they operating out of, other than both "Internet Global Value" and "GIT Global Investments" are both controlled by Halvorson / Halverson. There is a link between them, but what sort of link that is, we don't know. Why was the domain transferred? We don't know either. Who was actually behind both corporations... we don't know either.

In any case, the website wazzub.info goes to the SAME SERVER as Wazzub.com and appears to be identical. However, Google shows that there are several pages that are currently left unlinked, such as "facts.htm" and "difference.htm" on Wazzub.info. If you click on them, you will see they still exist on the server.

One of them yielded a bit more info... Apparently, the original launch date is April 1st, 2012! (See picture to right) Those of you who live in the US or are familiar with Western culture will know that April 1st is known as April Fool's Day. No Westerner would launch a company on that day, unless you're a company that is a joke (i.e. fake), or plans to play a joke on everybody. That would explain why this page is no longer linked, and why the date was changed to April 9th, 2012.

Remember, what a company CLAIMS is unproven. We are seeking information to verify or at least corroborate the claims, and what we're finding are thin and suspicious.

So what are the facts thus far?

  • Wazzub.info and Wazzub.com goes to the same website
  • Wazzub.info confirms that Internet Global Value is linked to GIT Global Investment (but then we already knew that)
  • Wazzub was originally planned to launch on April 1st, 2012, April Fool's Day
  • We STILL don't know who owns GIT Global Investments, or who runs it (other than Gee DaCosta)

Analysis of the facts

Despite checking through even more websites, we still don't know anything about who owns or runs Wazzub / GIT Global Investments.

Wazzub.com and Wazzub.info are the same website, though the latter was on the Internet first. Why? I have no idea. Several pages were UNLINKED from the website.

Original launch date for Wazzub was April 1st, 2012, which is, of course, April Fool's Day. This, plus various other clues in the language of the "Team Wazzub" responses (use of "initiator" instead of "founder"), suggests (but does NOT prove) that Team Wazzub is probably NOT American.


DaCosta admitting Wazzub was "his baby"
DaCosta admitting Wazzub was "his baby"

Who is Gee DaCosta?

Gee DaCosta claims to be "master distributor" of Wazzub, but he doesn't admit to being the owner. Still, it is the ONLY reliable name we can find thus far (we've chased down the Halverson / Halvorson, as well as their lawyer and their notary public already). We have to chase it down.

Google Search of "Gee DaCosta" shows that he had previously peddled something called MyTwoBestFriends, where he did claim to be the founder, through this post on MoneyMakerGroup back on January 2011. It was filed under "closed and inactive" on MMG. Double checking the domain "ourfamilyoffriends.com" confirmed it is dead (shows CFML error: database not configured).

MyLife.com says that he's based in Anthem, Arizona.

There is an entry for Gee DaCosta on BetterNetworker, a MLM / networking website, which was dated 4 years ago. Out of three domains / opportunities he listed, all three are dead or changed ( http://www.betternetworker.com/members/geemoney )

There's a quote from him that says Gee DaCosta was a "Fruta Vida" distributor, which is clearly a MLM selling some sort of super-fruit product.

There's an entry on IBOSocial that Gee DaCosta was in QLXchange, a precious metal MLM.

Then there's this comment on someone's spam blog "reviewing" something that isn't out yet. He claimed it's "his baby". (See picture to the right) (COMMENT: the fact that someone can "review" Wazzub vs. Google when Wazzub is just a signup page is in itself, hilarious.)

There's a spam article that says Gee DaCosta is the "champion" and "spokesperson" for Wazzub. ( http://www.greatarticlesite.com/Art/377939/95/What-is-Wazzub-and-is-Wazzub-for-Real.html ) As Wazzub has no functionality yet, it doesn't really 'exist' in the sense that we think. Thus, the article is junk, but ancillary bits are somewhat useful.

So what are the facts?

  • Gee DaCosta was in QLXchange
  • Gee DaCosta was in Fruita Vita
  • Gee DaCosta was in at least 3 other schemes 4 years ago
  • Gee DaCosta peddled "My Two Best Friends" just a year ago
  • Gee DaCosta claims to be "master distributor" of Wazzub (distributing what?)
  • Gee DaCosta was named as "chief spokesman" and "champion" in some advertorials for Wazzub

UPDATE: Wazzub's rebuttal to various criticisms now claim Gee DaCosta is their Chief Marketing Officer.


Analysis of the facts

We can conclude here that Gee DaCosta was formerly involved in many MLMs over time, and kept switching like trading in girlfriends and cars, and given all the promotional effort he put into it, Gee DaCosta is heavily involved in creation of Wazzub, probably the founder or at least close to the founder. If that is so, why he would go through such lengths to hide this remains a mystery. And let's put it this way: Gee DaCosta doesn't exactly have a track record of picking "winners", judging by his constant switching.

Furthermore, why would a startup Internet company need for a MLMer, when what they need are engineers to get the product out live so it can be used and generate revenue? And why a serial MLMer who never seem to enjoyed much success?


What does Wazzub actually do?

According to Wazzub.info's now unlinked page (why are they unlinked?) They claim to want to emulate Google and they want to grow membership by 10 million a month in a few months.

Is the claim a realistic goal?

Adding 10 million user a month... Not very likely, considering that Google only have 350 million unique users January 2010, and that's an audited stat by Nielsen Research. And it took them 12 years to get that far (Google was founded 1998).

Furthermore, Wazzub only claims to have "over twenty specialists". Google has over 30000 employees, most of them engineers.

When you think about it, Wazzub have absolutely no chance to stand up to Google, or even to Microsoft's Bing, Ask, or even AOL / Webcrawler and Yahoo.


Update 29-JAN-2012: WHOIS data changed

UPDATE: In the last week of January 2012, Wazzub updated their WHOIS info to say the following:

GIT Global Investments Inc.
7251 W Lake Mead Blvd.
Las Vegas, Nevada 89128
United States


The Wazzub phone number brought up "Michael Anthony"... who is that?
The Wazzub phone number brought up "Michael Anthony"... who is that?
Same phone number as Wazzub, how interesting!
Same phone number as Wazzub, how interesting!

Update 01-FEB-2012, phone number tracking to a name

Updated WHOIS information at Wazzub.info revealed a phone number that I did not notice before:

Registrant ID:CR85403298
Registrant Name:Hosting Department
Registrant Organization:GIT Global Investments Inc.
Registrant Street1:7251 W Lake Mead Blvd.
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Las Vegas
Registrant State/Province:Nevada
Registrant Postal Code:89128
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.7027229244

Searching (702)722-9244 on Google revealed a referral website of another MLM called Daily Digital Club, which basically have you enrolling people while supposedly selling them free eBooks and such. It also gave a name, "Michael Anthony".

The area code 702 is indeed Las Vegas and nearby Henderson.

Note the DDC referral ID: 2bucks2wealth in the URL

If you search for THAT on Google, you get very little, except it is a valid domain name: 2bucks2wealth.com

if you go to that website, you are forwarded to the same DDC referral page we found earlier (and of course, same name)

If you look up THAT domain WHOIS info, you get a name and address:

Registrant:
Michael Anthony
2667 S. Decatur Blvd
2096
Las Vegas, Nevada 89102
United States

Registered through: Domains Priced Right
Domain Name: 2BUCKS2WEALTH.COM
Created on: 07-Mar-11
Expires on: 07-Mar-12
Last Updated on: 07-Mar-11

That address, and that "2096" after it, indicates that this address is the home of Mr. Michael Anthony, who lives in "Shelter Cove Apartments" of Las Vegas, NV.

Search via PeopleFinder shows that there appears to be only two "Michael Anthony" in Las Vegas, both of them are about 50 years old. Does he have any relations to Wazzub? I have no idea.

There's no denying the following facts:

  1. Wazzub.com's contact phone number goes to Michael Anthony
  2. Michael Anthony has his own website pushing something called Digital Daily Club, not Wazzub
  3. Michael Anthony lives in Las Vegas Nevada in an apartment building
  4. Michael Anthony's relation with Wazzub / GIT Global Investments is completely unknown

Analysis of the facts

Unfortunately, this information simply raises even MORE questions instead of giving more answers.

Who is this "Michael Anthony" and what is his relation with Wazzub / GIT Global Investments? Shouldn't the phone number go to the Lake Mead address instead? Why is this Michael Anthony pushing something completely other than Wazzub if he is an Wazzub employee? If not, why did Wazzub list his number as primary contact?


The official Wazzub song, featuring "The Damsel"? Who's that?
The official Wazzub song, featuring "The Damsel"? Who's that?

Update 02-FEB-2011, the Wazzub Song and alleged charity

It was brought to my attention that Wazzub has released a single called "Power of We" on both Amazon and iTunes. A picture of the Amazon.com entry is to the right.

This raises a couple questions. First of all, who is "The Damsel"?

Second, what is the point of having this single?

However, what's interesting is the related Youtube entry:

WazzubFamily's official song teaser on Youtube, promising "50% of all download-profits will be donated to our charity foundation."
WazzubFamily's official song teaser on Youtube, promising "50% of all download-profits will be donated to our charity foundation."
"The Power of We" single cover, says "profit sharing phenomenon, 50% donated to Wazzub charity funds"
"The Power of We" single cover, says "profit sharing phenomenon, 50% donated to Wazzub charity funds"

The Youtube entry claims that Wazzub / GIT Global Investments have a "charity foundation"! The biggest question you need to ask here is...

Since when does Wazzub have a charity foundation? Is it 501(c)(3) IRS registered charity? Where is the proof?

What's even more interesting (thanks to a sharp eyes reader), take a look at the single cover graphic... The words around that "smiling globe" actually says:

Profit sharing phenomenon 50% donated to Wazzub charity funds

Who really is "The Damsel"? And the answer is somewhat surprising. Here's her homepage (which is a little hard to find, as this is her debut song).

Cixi Digital Records Official homepage for "The Damsel", looks like a goth chick to me, but note the language about donations...
Cixi Digital Records Official homepage for "The Damsel", looks like a goth chick to me, but note the language about donations...

Note here that "The Damsel" homepage says something else entirely.

WazzubFamily's Youtube video description says:

50% of all download-profits will be donated to our charity foundation.

However, the artist's homepage says:

The Wazzub Family will donate 50% of all proceeds to charity funds, including teen after-school programs.

And the single cover graphic says

50% donated to Wazzub charity funds

Three sources, three different descriptions. What is going on here?

Difference 1: difference between 'download profits' and 'proceeds'

Proceeds means every dollar that came in.

Download profits is a very slippery definition, but it implies that there are expenses to be paid first, THEN whatever is LEFT is considered profit. We have no idea what the expenses are.

For example, let's say Wazzub sells 5000 MP3s. That's 5000 * 0.99 * 0.7 (remember, iTunes takes 30%) = 3465. So half of that, or 1732.5 will be given to charity, if it's "all proceeds".

However, if Wazzub, or the artist, or the studio (Cixi records) decided to charge for some expenses, like a few hundred dollars each (for argument's sake, let's just say, $300 each), profit then is 3465-(300*3)=2565. So half of that is 1282.5, or over 500 less. Unless there's any public accounting, you really have NO IDEA how much will be given and how much is pocketed as "expenses".

[ Here's an article on the low-downs on celebrity auctions which discusses the same issue, how Kim Kardashian only gives 10% of her profits, not her proceeds, from celebrity auctions ]

The single cover graphic is even more vague... 50%... of what?

Difference 2: difference between 'charity foundation' and 'charity funds'

First of all, the correct name is not charity foundation, but a "charitable foundation" in the US, and it must be registered with the IRS as a 501(c)(3) charity to receive public funding as it is a public non-profit organization.

Charity fund is a fund managed by such a charitable organization. One example is the Fidelity Charitable Fund managed by Fidelity Investments.

Please note the claim on the Youtube page: "our charity foundation".

There is no proof that GIT Global Investments, Wazzub, or whatever name they choose to go by, actually have a "charity foundation".

If WazzubFamily is the official Wazzub spokesperson on Youtube, why would they make this kind of mistake, contradicting the artist? And where is this alleged "charity foundation"?

And the single cover graphic says "Wazzub charity funds". Yes, "funds", more than one.

Is there any proof that such funds actually exist? Much less they are "charity"?

So what are the facts?

  • The song "Power of We" is real and available on iTunes, and Amazon MP3
  • The song is the debut song for "The Damsel", who appears to be a goth chick
  • Artist's page promised 50% of all proceeds to charity fund
  • The presumably official Youtube channel "WazzubFamily" promised something else: 50% of download profits to "our charity foundation".
  • There is no evidence of a "charity foundation" related to Wazzub or GIT Global Investments. In fact, "charity foundation" is not even the correct term.
  • The single cover graphic itself promised "50% donated to Wazzub charity funds". 50% of what is unexplained, and neither are the "wazzub charity funds".

Analysis of the facts

This is yet ANOTHER bit of evidence that suggests whoever is running "Wazzub Team" or "Team Wazzub" is NOT American or a Westerner. An American would not make the mistake of launching the company on April 1st, 2012, use "initiator" instead of "founder", and now, use "charity foundation" instead of "charitable foundation".

Furthermore there is no proof that there is any charitable foundation or charity fund related in any way to Wazzub and/or GIT Global Investments. Real charities in the US are registered with the IRS through tax code 501(c)(3).

Add to that completely different promise on the artist's homepage vs. WazzubFamily Youtube Channel promise vs the vague promise on the single's cover graphic, and you have to wonder, what is Wazzub up to?

Wazzubcharity.org claims to be a non-profit organization, but there's no proof of such on their website
Wazzubcharity.org claims to be a non-profit organization, but there's no proof of such on their website

Update 09-FEB-2012: Non-Profit Organization Controversy

Wazzub has launched a website where it claims to have organized a non-profit organization at the website "WazzubCharity.org", and welcomes other non-profit organizations from applying for a grant (from WazzubCharity). It has the same "counter" on Wazzub.

On the website, it clearly stated "as a non-profit organization", thus they claim to be a non-profit organization. (see picture to right) However, non-profit organization in the US (they clearly listed the Las Vegas, Nevada address) that accepts donations must register with the US Internal Revenue Service (IRS) as a 501(c)(3) organization. Yet there is no proof of such on the website. Furthermore, the same website claims to be raising funds from the Wazzub Family soon which makes it a public charity, making it definitely fall under jurisdiction of the IRS.

Facts thus far:

  • Wazzub has launched WazzubCharity.org, which it calls Wazzub Charity Funds
  • Wazzub is soliciting application from other non-profit organizations for grants
  • Wazzub Charity funds claims to be a non-profit organization
  • Wazzub Charity funds do NOT have PROOF that is has registered with IRS under 501(c)(3)
  • Wazzub Charity Funds lists the same address as Wazzub itself, no suite number, thus is also a virtual office.
  • Wazzub Charity Funds lists no person in charge
  • In the US, non-profit organizations MUST register with IRS (see link above)

Analysis of the facts

Wazzub Charity Funds, thus far claims to be a non-profit organization but have yet to prove it is one. The questions raised with that "song" from The Damsel remains unanswered.


"X already joined the Wazzub Family", except X is a javascript counter, not a real membership counter
"X already joined the Wazzub Family", except X is a javascript counter, not a real membership counter

Update 09-FEB-2012: Wazzub "member counter" controversy

Several Wazzub pages, including WazzubCharity.org, have a counter that says "X have already joined the Wazzub family". (See picture to right). However, the count goes up a bit too steadily leading many to question if this is a real membership counter, or whether it's a fake clock-based counter.

Study of the website source code on Wazzubcharity.org revealed that the alleged membership counter is based on Javascript and current clock and just uptick by one every second, and thus is not a real membership counter, as of 10AM, 09-FEB-2012. The numbers are precached at the end of the main page source code, and initialized as thus:

<script type=”text/javascript”>
 var users = “1467976″, offset = users.length – 1, value, str = ”;
 var rate = new Array(2395,2590,2588,2336,2088,1845,2073,1957,1835,1513,1333,1291,1256,1165,1167,1087,1154,1207,1421,1455,1591,1830,1989,2291);
</script>

the actual counting javascript is inside /js/regform.min.js which is partially reproduced below:

function increase_users(){if(offset<0){next_user();return;}
if(users=="0")return;value=0;if((users.length-offset!=1)&&((users.length-offset-1)%3==0)){str='<img src="img/numbers/acomma.png" alt="," />'+str;
document.getElementById('counter').innerHTML=str;}
increase_number();}

function add_user(){var i,j=0;users=''+(parseInt(users)+1);
str='';for(i=users.length-1;i>=0;i--)
{str='<img src="img/numbers/a'+users.charAt(i)+'.png" alt="'+users.charAt(i)+'" />'+str;
if(i>0&&++j%3==0)str='<img src="img/numbers/acomma.png" alt="," />'+str;}
document.getElementById('counter').innerHTML=str;next_user();}

function next_user(){var today=new Date();
var hour=(today.getUTCHours()+1)%23;
setTimeout(add_user,rate[hour]+Math.round(Math.random()*50));}
$(document).ready(function(){$('#registration input, #goals').val('');
$('#gender:eq(0)').attr('checked',true);$('#country').val(0);
$('#backRegForm').live('click',function(){Recaptcha.reload();
$('#regresult').css('display','none');$('#registration').css('display','');
chkForm(true);});increase_users();});


None of the functions read from a file on the server which is how a membership list is counted. Instead, function next_user calls function add_user with an array element (which was initialized with 24 numbers ranging from 1500 to 2500 or so) which is the number of milliseconds to count up, if you lookup the function "settimeout" in Javascript

Facts thus far

  • The "X have already joined Wazzub family" counter is at WazzubCharity (and presumably at other Wazzub sites as well)
  • The counter counts up at a variable rate depending on time of day and random variable with sophisticated Javascript
  • The counter is not read from the server, but is pure Javascript
  • The counter was initialized with different numbers based on different hours of the day plus a random number

Analysis of the facts

It is clear that the counter itself is a fake, and deliberately designed to confuse casual observers. The array contains 24 entries which contains how long to delay between ticks for each hour of the day. During the day the ticking is as low as 1087 + X (where X is random between 0 and 49), or approximately 1.1 seconds. Around midnight the ticking is as high as 2590 + X, about 2.6 seconds.

To prove this to yourself, load the page and DISCONNECT from the Internet (yank out the wire, turn off the WiFi, whatever). The counter still goes up. proving it's NOT updating the counter from the server.


WazzubCharity.org has no suite number in address, but their WHOIS record does. Who's doing the updates?
WazzubCharity.org has no suite number in address, but their WHOIS record does. Who's doing the updates?

Update 10-FEB-2012: WHOIS address updated, counter explored further

Later check of Wazzub WHOIS records shows that they have added Suite 364 to their Las Vegas Address. Why they left out out when they updated it in the first place? Furthermore, why wasn't the WazzubCharity.org website itself updated? It still has no suite number.

Interestingly, wazzubcharity.org WHOIS has the suite 364, but Wazzub.com and wazzub.info does NOT have Suite 364.

Yet Wazzubcharity.org's website does NOT have Suite 364.

Also, further study of the "X have joined the Wazzub family" counter confirms it is Javascript, but also backed up by PHP scripting. Repeated checks throughout the day shows the "user" variable gets a new number each time you reload the page, steadily increasing throughout the day. However, the "rate" array was initialized with different values each time the page was reloaded. It's clear a random number generator was employed on the PHP backend.


DomainTrakker says two other websites are on Wazzub's server, maximumprofitnow.com and powerpayline.com
DomainTrakker says two other websites are on Wazzub's server, maximumprofitnow.com and powerpayline.com

UPDATE 17-FEB-2012, Owner found?

Fellow fact-checker Claret pointed me to a link I didn't explore: what else is on the same server as Wazzub? Can that point us to any clues as to who owns Wazzub? If they share the same server and the number of websites are small (say, a dozen or less), then that would indicate the owner bought dedicated hosting and thus all the sites are probably owned by the same person. A "shared hosting" would show hundreds of unrelated websites on the same server.

So I went to a new tool, domaintrakker.com, and did a search of wazzub.com, and found that it is linked to maximumprofitnow.com, and powerpayline.com, both of whom are on the same server. (see picture to right)

Checking both maximumprofitnow.com and powerpayline.com shows both are expired domains, and are available for anybody. All WHOIS data is gone. However, all is not lost. Who links to those two websites? Searching through Google about maximumprofitnow revealed that it asks people to build a ton of affiliate links at places such as MoneyMakerClub, and eventually landed me at this MyTesterJob.com link, where it is offering FREE membership to maximumprofitnow.com to all people who enrolled in MyTesterJob.com

And what is the verbiage at MyTesterJob.com? See for yourself:

MytesterJobs.com homepage, looks just like Wazzub, and even SOUNDS like Wazzub, doesn't it?
MytesterJobs.com homepage, looks just like Wazzub, and even SOUNDS like Wazzub, doesn't it?
Two things to note: main thing is free, but they ask for premium upgrade later, and whoever is running this is Michael Anthony DeBais.
Two things to note: main thing is free, but they ask for premium upgrade later, and whoever is running this is Michael Anthony DeBais.

MyTesterJob.com reads very much like Wazzub.com, with the same tone, style, and even the we-will-never-charge-you-money rhetoric. This is of course, completely circumstantial evidence. Style and verbiage are very arbitrary, but the similarity is definitely there. Is there anything else in common between the two? Let's search for names.

Checking through the whole MyTesterJobs.com found only one name: Michael Anthony DeBais, of "Alpha Market Research". (See screenshot) (There's also the note about they asking for "premium membership" at cost of $25)

You have to recall that on 01-FEB-2012 I found the name "Michael Anthony" linked to Wazzub, That is the contact phone number as listed on Wazzub's WHOIS info, and search for that phone number came up as the listed number of an affiliate of Daily Digital Club by the name of "Michael Anthony" which is confirmed by domain name registration (WHOIS) data. And here we have a "Michael Anthony DeBais". Wazzub is in Las Vegas, and Michael Anthony DeBais is also in Las Vegas. They also have very similarly designed websites.

So who is this "Alpha Market Research"? Nevada Corporate Records says this is a one-person company. What's also interesting is the local Better Business Bureau tried sending him a letter and the letter was returned. PatrickPretty.com, fellow scam-tracker, found the location to likely be a virtual office provider.

Does MyWebsiteTester have any reputation? Search on various "income" online forums shows that the project launched in mid 2010 and was pretty much dead before 2010 was over. They paid $0.24 (24 cents) for one survey, according to members, most got no jobs at all.

Search for Michael Anthony DeBais revealed that MyWebSiteTester was previously launched as WebsiteTester.Biz, with several delayed launches, probable fake press releases with a mock interview, and other dubious promo tactics. Other tactics described, such as video with no faces is also very reminiscent of Wazzub tactics thus far.

There's a video allegedly from Michael Anthony DeBias on Youtube about WebsiteTester.Biz, but the speech is very static-y and strangely inflected, as if the voice went through a voice-changer software.

WebSitetester was also charged as a scam, and the sort of promo "380,000 people have already joined!" and "just read our interview which will prove it's not a scam" is very similar to what Wazzub is doing what now.

What are the facts so far?

  • Wazzub is hosted on same server that previously housed two suspicious websites
  • One such website, MaximumProfitNow, is linked to another dubious website MyTesterJobs.com through "free membership"
  • MyTesterJobs was run out of Las Vegas, Nevada by a "Michael Anthony DeBias"
  • The name "Michael Anthony" was attached to phone number listed by Wazzub
  • MyTesterJobs parent company "Alpha Market Research" runs operations that offers jobs, not market research
  • Wazzub's parent company "GIT Global Investments" claims to run Internet startup, not "investments"
  • Alpha Market Research is suspected to be a sham company by PatrickPretty.com, using dubious promo tactics to push WebsiteTester.Biz, later relaunched as MyTesterJobs.com
  • The design and verbiage of MyTesterJobs looks remarkably similar to Wazzub, such as "forever free".
  • Alpha Market Research did not respond to letter from Las Vegas branch of Better Business Bureau, letter was returned, and an alert was listed
  • Video released by WebsiteTester.biz and allegedly Michael Anthony DeBais showed no faces, just graphics, with odd inflection and strange static in the background
  • Video released by Wazzub also no faces other than stock photo and graphics.
  • Even the denials released by WebSitetester are strangely similar to Wazzub

What conclusion can we draw from this?

While we cannot conclusively prove that Michael Anthony DeBias is behind Wazzub, the amount of info tying them together are too numerous for this to be a mere coincidence. The common phone number, Las Vegas addresses, similar verbiage, similar promotional tactics, all points to Michael Anthony DeBias being near the top of Wazzub, if not the head of Wazzub.

This would also explain why a company would hire a MLMer like Gee DaCosta, and not a real PR firm, as "Chief Marketing Officer". They probably got acquainted in a previous MLM / opportunity.

(Thanks to BehindMLM community for additional fact-checking support)

17-FEB-2012: Michael Anthony DeBias may be head of Wazzub

Previously we have identified Michael Anthony DeBias as possible head of Wazzub. He ran several websites that promise similar things to Wazzub, all of them failed, one as recently as 2010. However, I was not able to find much details on this person.

Sharp-eyed fact-checker Claret spotted this Google Plus profile, which is reproduced below.

Michael DeBias, aka Michael Anthony, aka Michael Anthony DeBias, possible head of Wazzub?
Michael DeBias, aka Michael Anthony, aka Michael Anthony DeBias, possible head of Wazzub?

In the domain "makemoneywithnocost.com" the URL autoforwards to Wazzub.com

who.Godaddy.com confirms that website is registered to "Michael Anthony" of Las Vegas as of today's date.

Registrant:
Michael Anthony
2667 S. Decatur Blvd, apt 2096
Las Vegas, Nevada 89102
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: MAKEMONEYWITHNOCOST.COM
Created on: 11-Nov-11
Expires on: 11-Nov-12
Last Updated on: 11-Nov-11

Administrative Contact:
Anthony, Michael michael-anthony@cox.net
2667 S. Decatur Blvd, apt 2096
Las Vegas, Nevada 89102
United States
(702) 824-8275

This address matches the previous address found for 2bucks2wealth.com, though it lists a different phone number.

Searching for this phone number revealed that Michael Anthony (DeBias) is also a member in another MLM "That Free Thing". under "Michael Anthony", username "mike". Furthermore, according to online directory, it's a wireless number.

So there's little doubt this is our guy, the potential head of Wazzub.

Is it conclusive? No. But there's enough circumstantial evidence to be quite certain.

So what are the facts thus far?

  • Google Plus profile of "Michael DeBias" found, contains URL makemoneywithnocost.com
  • Makemoneywithnocost.com is registered by a "Michael Anthony" of Las Vegas
  • Same Michael Anthony registered 2bucks2wealth.com
  • Same Michael Anthony has phone number 702-722-9244 listed as his contact info on 2bucks2wealth / Daily Digital Club
  • 702-722-9244 is the phone number Wazzub listed as their contact number on WHOIS
  • Michael DeBias / Michael Anthony also runs WebsiteTester / myTesterJobs
  • MyTesterJobs gave free membership to MaximumProfitNow
  • MaximumProfitNow is on the same web server (in Germany) as Wazzub, one of only three websites hosted on that server.
  • Michael Anthony (DeBias) registered makemoneywithnocost.com, which autoforwards to Wazzub.com using another Las Vegas phone number
  • Michael Anthony (DeBias) is also spotted in "That Free Thing", another MLM using a phone number used to register makemoneywithnocost, confirming it is the same person

Conclusions thus far?

There is little doubt that whoever this "Michael Anthony DeBias" is, he is heavily involved in Wazzub. The style of his websites, the history of his dubious promotions, his serial startups that went nowhere all involving recruiting, even the verbiage, all shows that he is the likely designer of Wazzub. His relations with dubious MLMs such as DailyDigitalClub and ThatFreeThing makes him a serial MLMer (similar to Gee DaCosta) instead of a true Internet entrepreneur.


28-FEB-2012: Appearance of Wazzub "fan domains"

Any serious Internet business protect its name as it's their brand and their image. One such way they protect them is to go after people who register "fan domains", basically variations of the company name. For example, if you type in gogle.com (just one "O"), you'll still end up at Google.com. Google has enlisted the service of MarkMonitor.com who helps Google protect itself from fake domains, soundalikes, and other fraudulent attempts to cash in on the name of Google.

Wazzub has not done such protection of their "brand", or even put out a notice to its members (whom I will call Wazzub-ies) to not register "fan domains" and take the Wazzub name for themselves. As such, dozens and dozens of Wazzub fan domains with names like MyWazzubTeam.com, WazzubCharityFund.org, and so on have appeared on the web,

These are COMPLETELY UNOFFICIAL sites made up by members merely to signup people for Wazzub. Most of them also used the SAME graphics from Wazzub.com, which clearly did NOT license use of those stock photos to member sites (in fact, it is doubtful whether it has licensed the use of those stock photos for itself!) In other words, almost all of these Wazzub fan domains are guilty of plagiarism and copyright violations!

That is not a sign of a legitimate company. The only other company in recent memory that allowed (or even encouraged) this sort of abuse of their "brand" by its members was TVI Express, which is a globally indicted scam (Indonesia, US, Australia, Namibia, and more).

While Wazzub itself is not a scam thus far, it is taking on more and more characteristics of a scam.

28-FEB-2012 Wazzub now requesting your birthdate, what's next?

Wazzub Community now REQUIRES you to enter your birthdate and your city, state, postal code, and country, as well as full first name and last name. This is posted on their "happyhour" webpage: http://www.wazzub.com/happyhour.htm Furthermore, it states that you must enter a REAL NAME, or else they can ban you.

Wazzub Community now requires you to enter your real name
Wazzub Community now requires you to enter your real name
Wazzub Community now wants your birthday!
Wazzub Community now wants your birthday! | Source

05-MAR-2012 Wazzub Community is powered by a $300 off-the-shelf community script

Study of Wazzub.com HTML source has revealed that they are using DZOIC Handshakes Neo Community script, which, according the DZOIC website, costs $249, with extra $49 to remove the "powered by DZOIC" banner at the footer.

I have requested confirmation from DZOIC and awaiting feedback.

UPDATE: DZOIC sales confirms what Wazzub.com is a licensed domain for Handshakes Pro.

Conclusion

You could have done this for a mere $300 yourself and a couple hours customizing the looks. That hardly proves they going to "rival Facebook", does it?

05-MAR-2012 "Wazzub Book" appeared on Amazon Kindle Singles, NOT FROM WAZZUB

A book about Wazzub has appeared on Amazon Kindle Singles as an e-Book and cost 99 cents. However, it is NOT an authorized book about Wazzub or published by Wazzub. Instead, it was authored by a Wazzub-ie called Kevin Wenke.

Sample chapter shows the first few pages does not talk about Wazzub at all, and there are a lot of stock photos taking up space.

Conclusion

Looks like someone packaged his sales pitch into an e-book, and decided to charge money for you to read his sales pitch by borrowing Wazzub's name. There is no sign this book is authorized by Wazzub or endorsed by Wazzub in any way.

Which, along with the "fan domains" all of them taking Wazzub's name, would suggest that Wazzub doesn't care about its name, which is NOT a sign of a legitimate company.

Nevada Secretary of State website, Wazzub Charity Funds was registered on February 28th, 2012, one MONTH after announcement.
Nevada Secretary of State website, Wazzub Charity Funds was registered on February 28th, 2012, one MONTH after announcement.

07-MAR-2012 Wazzub Charity Funds exists now, one month late

Checking Wazzub Charity Funds finally noticed that they now have a separate company registered in Nevada under "Wazzub Charity Funds"... filed on February 28th, 2012.

Wazzub Charity Funds was first revealed to the world back on February 1st or 2nd, 2012. At the time, they do not exist legally, yet they are already soliciting applications. AND they already claim that funds from the song will be donated (though you get 3 separate versions on where the money's going).

Conclusion: Wazzub Charity Funds, even if it is legit, is a very poorly ran operation.

05-APR-2012: Wazzub abandons "Wazzub name"

Wazzub suddenly announced that they will be using perfectinter.net instead of Wazzub.com as their primary domain name, when they launch on 09-APR-2012.

This may be caused by their poor rating on "Web of Trust", and crowd-sourced website rating system, where they are rated as "poor reputation".

09-APR-2012: Wazzub launch delayed

The day came and went, and Wazzub claimed that they are giving a few people last chance to join as they want to hit "6 million" on their counter.

(We have previously proved that the counter is bogus, as it keeps counting up even when the computer is disconnected from the Internet.)

Then a day later, they claimed they have to delay the launch for two days to upgrade their database.


22-APR-2012: Wazzub changes tune, no money to be given out

Wazzub's official blog had always referred to "$Factor", which was always understood by members to be actual money. Apparently, the more people you refer, the higher $Factor you get. How that translates into actual dollars is unknown. This is their exact verbiage off wazzub's INFO page (unlinked, but search on Google and you'll see it... why is it unlinked?)

Check the brand new members’ area to watch your downline growing. At WAZZUB, we call it the $FACTOR (Dollar Factor).
The more members that signed up under you (5 levels deep) the more your $FACTOR will grow.
And, guess what… The higher your $FACTOR grows, the higher your profit share will be after launch.

However, new entry on Wazzub blog as of 17-APR-2012 has completely revised the rules: it now only mentions "DealFactor". Here's an excerpt (I added the bold section for emphasis):

Instead of spending millions of $$$ for advertising, we reward our beta-launch members with DealPOINTS. The more friends you invite to join our community for free, the more DealPOINTS you will receive after our final launch (July 1/2012). Use your DealPOINTS to shop for free in selected online shops, to receive coupons for free-dinners in participating restaurants or to play free skill games vs. other members to win Real Cash Prize Money.

In other words, they are NOT giving money as they previously claimed, but merely "frequent surfer points" which supposedly can be redeemed for SOMETHING (yet to be determined). And you don't get the points now, but some time in July 2012.

It is also interesting to note that Wazzub's "official blog" does NOT archive old posts, so there's nothing to refer to against "historical" entries. This is NOT a sign of a reputable company or operation.

One possible explanation is that only people who signed up BEFORE the 9-APR-2012 launch get $Factor, and any people who signed up after gets DealFactor. However, this is NOT explained very well in the blog itself.

27-APR-2012: Wazzub changes tune, now "Success sharing phenomenon", not profit

Previously, Wazzub had referred to itself as a "profit sharing phenomenon". It was on the Wazzub song cover among other items.

However, it was discovered that some time after the alleged launch date of April 9th, 2012 (which came and went and nothing happened) the slogan was changed to "success sharing phenomenon".

Wazzub has no comment on the change, or answer the question whether they are actually into sharing profits or not.

28-APR-2012: Wazzub admits to being cheap, crashing webinar providers

Wazzub's official blog claimed it is "great news" that they managed to crash their TalkFusion webinar, just like they crashed Wiziq webinar before.

According to Wazzub's spokesperson Gee DaCosta, so far they have managed to crash TWO separate providers of Webinar services. Yet neither is exactly what you'd term "top-tier" provider, and neither actually posts a limit on their webinar solution, claiming UNLIMITED attendees. As you can see, even Wazzub realized that's bogus.

For comparison, Cisco's WebEx only claims to support 3000 attendees at a time, and that is their "Pro" package called WebEx Event Center.

So, is Wazzub just being cheap? Or being unrealistically optimistic, and crashed and burned for it? You be the judge.

Another item of note: TalkFusion has a MLM comp plan. Will we find Gee DaCosta or Michael Anthony DeBias as a TalkFusion member? I don't know. I haven't searched that way yet.


28-APR-2012: Wazzub cheaters advertise online

Search of Internet shows that Wazzub sign-ups are nearly worthless, as people will gladly MAKE UP addresses for you... if you pay them.

Here's an ad that says he'll create 50 signup using your referral ID for mere $5 USD. Actual listing is no longer on Fiverr, just the search result itself.

In the second example, someone spammed a Spanish (that's in Spain) free classifieds website, that says "buy referrals (from me) and get money for ever!". When he's not even from Spain (the bottom says IP address does not correspond to country).

Perfect Internet News is free blogger blog
Perfect Internet News is free blogger blog

09-MAY-2012 Update: Perfect Internet is just a leech of Google and other services

Previously, we have pointed out that despite alleged "millions" invested on Wazzub by Wazzub CMO "Gee DaCosta", they use free blogs from Blogger for their announcements.

  • The "official" Wazzub blog is heywazzub.blogspot.com
  • The verify account page goes to verifyhere.blogspot.com

Now we have to add a new level of cheapness... their so-called "Your Perfect Internet"'s "news section" is not run from their own server, but is instead,... another blogspot free blog

  • The "PerfectInternet News" is at perfectinternetnews. blogspot.com

Clearly, if they can't be bothered to run their own blog servers, their Internet can't be that perfect. Furthermore, the blog appears to have only been created on May 1st, (first entry), thus belie their own launch date of April 9th, 2012.

There are other interesting bits if you read HTML source of perfectinter.net

1) Their primary web search is a relabeled "startpage.com" search

<form target='_blank'      name=metasearch method=POST 
accept-charset="UTF-8" 
action='http://startpage.com/do/search' 
style="margin:0; padding:0;" 
onSubmit="javascript:document.metasearch.query.value=document.metasearch.keyword.value;" >

2) Their "video web search" is a relabeled "Blinkx.com" search

<!-- blinkx hosted search -->
<script type="text/javascript" 
src="http://redlabel.blinkx.com/blinkxSearch/ext/blinkxHostedSearch.js">
</script>
<style type="text/css">@importurl('http://redlabel.blinkx.com/blinkxSearch/ext/hostedSearch.css');</style>
<!-- end blinkx hosted search -->

3) The "join now" and "login" buttons are merely "coming soon"

<a href=/start/tour1.html>
<img src=/main/images/menu_tour.png border=0></a>
<a href=/start/coming_soon.html>
<img src=/main/images/menu_join.png border=0></A>
<a href=/start/coming_soon.html>
<img src=/main/images/menu_login.png border=0></a>

All in all, they are not running anything important themselves. Even their "games" are free flash games you can borrow from almost anywhere. And they need MONTHS to launch this?

09-MAY-2012 Wazzub May announcement revealed Michael Anthony DeBias and more

Wazzub website has an UNLINKED May 2012 announcement (except through a free and unrelated blog) that contained a lot of interesting retorts that used conspiracy theory, strawman argument, false dilemma, and more. Inside is one very interesting tidbit: it appears that Michael Anthony DeBias wrote at least part of this announcement.

In this announcement, there's a very specific saying, that appeared NOWHERE ELSE on the Internet, except Wazzub announcements and one of DeBias' prior failed ventures.

Wazzub announcement of May 2012 excerpt, note the "old saying", yet the announcement is unsigned except as "Wazzub Team".
Wazzub announcement of May 2012 excerpt, note the "old saying", yet the announcement is unsigned except as "Wazzub Team".
Prior announcement by Michael Anthony DeBias... the quote is used, exactly word for word.
Prior announcement by Michael Anthony DeBias... the quote is used, exactly word for word.

Add this to our previously identified links between Michael Anthony DeBias and Wazzub, we can now confirm this failed Internet biz-guy is a "silent partner" in Wazzub, and intends to stay hidden and keep pulling the strings by penning these unsigned announcements.


31-MAY-2012 You must upload your Photo ID!

According to Wazzub, you must upload your photo ID before 03-JUN-2012 to get paid. Following was confirmed from multiple "fan" Wazzub sites, but interestingly, NOT ON WAZZUB itself. Excerpt below

(5) You must read the TERMS and CONDITIONS properly and AGREE with it.
(6) TO GET PAYMENT FROM WAZZUB, YOU HAVE TO UPLOAD YOUR ID PROOF.
> plz get ready with your scan copy of ID proofs before you upload, otherwise you upload it later.
> For multiple ID proofs, make one file
(7) Your ID proofs should have
- FULL NAME
- YOUR PHOTO
- YOUR DATE OF BIRTH
- YOUR ADDRESS
- YOUR SIGNATURE (optional)
(8) If your one ID is not sufficient, you can add more IDs but in a single file.
- File format may be PNG/JPG/JPEG/ DOC/PDF
- File size maximum 3 MB
(9) Which ID proofs you need to upload
(a) Voter ID + PAN Card
(b) Voter ID + 10th Class Memo
(c) Driving License
(d) Passport
(e) UID AADHAR Card
(f) PAN Card + Bank Account Statement/Passbook
(g) PAN Card + Ration Card
(h) PAN Card + Telephone/electricity/gas bill
(i) Voter ID + Municipal Birth Certificate

As you are NOT an employee of Wazzub, why would they need your ID? Tax ID, maybe, if they need to report taxes to your jurisdiction, but Wazzub is a US company, and PAN card is... India's equivalent of US Social Security Card.

The only other company that "require" you to upload your photo ID to them to get paid in recent years is TVI Express, a convicted scam around the world. What does this mean? I don't know. But you should not "like" it at all.

Terms and Conditions... Plagiarized?

Another thought to ponder, where did they crib their "terms and conditions"? According to CopyScape, it matches another terms and conditions to over 51%

Joining "terms" 51% match with another place
Joining "terms" 51% match with another place

You may say the terms and conditions are pretty much template jobs, I would agree, but a comparison between the two document shows some very interesting differences. Namely, the Wazzub / Perfect Internet terms of use is missing a TON of sections, such as

  • DMCA takedown notification procedure
  • Jurisdiction (i.e. where do I file lawsuit if I want to sue Wazzub / Perfect Internet)
  • Prohibition of spam
  • Prohibition of reposting content outside of Wazzub or PerfectInternet

It also includes this little zinger:

In addition, you understand and agree that the content of all users, including your content, will be collected, aggregated and anonymously integrated into PI and the WAZZUB Community.

Translation: any thing you post on Wazzub or Perfect Internet belongs to THEM, not you, and your name will be removed from it.

Furthermore, only members can see the special "profit sharing phenomenon" terms so there's no telling what's in them. Apparently Wazzub wants to keep that a secret.

Is this plagiarized? I don't know. But the 49% difference is from Wazzub's OMISSION, instead of actual differences.


01-JUN-2012 Wazzub's president died? Really?

Someone transcribed the 01-JUN-2012 webinar where the Wazzub staff gave a lot of wishful thinking as "facts". For example, they consider the entire Internet population of earth as "prospective members", That is highly unrealistic.

However, the most interesting part is the webinar host, probably Gee DaCosta (unconfirmed) said that their president "Mr. Lee" had passed away and a new president must be appointed.

To my knowledge (any updates are welcome), this is the ONLY TIME Wazzub / GIT Global / PerfectInternet has ever mentioned that they *have* a President, much less one with a surname of "Lee". Searching through Oregon state records shows that the company is NOT required to reveal their leaders until 1 year AFTER it had been incorporated, so there's nothing to find.

However, the Oregon incorporation records shows the "incorporator" is a Mr. Robert A. Lee, as noted earlier. Searching for Mr. Robert A. Lee shows that his legal address is 2200B Douglas, Suite 100, Roseville California, which is the address of US Corporation Services, the company registrar that helped GIT Global get their "Oregon" corporation status. As Mr. Robert A. Lee also appeared as incorporator or president in other corporations, this indicates that he is an employee of US Corporation Services, and was assigned to act as a "figurehead president" for GIT Global.

What is a "figurehead president"? I'll let US Corporation Services, GIT Global's registrar, explain it:

'Figurehead' President. Every corporation must have a president (does not have to be an American) who is registered with the state (the so-called pen name is illegal, even in Delaware). If you want to remain anonymous, we will appoint a U.S. citizen
'Figurehead' President. Every corporation must have a president (does not have to be an American) who is registered with the state (the so-called pen name is illegal, even in Delaware). If you want to remain anonymous, we will appoint a U.S. citizen

While we do not know if this Mr. Robert A Lee is indeed the president that the Webinar Host (Gee DaCosta? Michael DeBias?) is referring to, there seem to be no other logical choice. Intelius people search says the only Robert A. Lee in Roseville is 87 years old, so it's perfectly understandable he may have passed away recently.

If confirmed, this would indicate a deliberate attempt by Wazzub to hide their leadership, rather than just reticent to release information.


Conclusion

So what have we learned about Wazzub?

  • FACT: Wazzub's ownership is unknown, and leadership is unknown
  • FACT: Wazzub's actual business location is unknown
    (UPDATE: a Las Vegas, Nevada, address was given in one e-mail and WHOIS info, with just the front door, no suite number, months after this came to light)
  • FACT: Wazzub used a business registration agent that had been accused of falsely registering "Investment" businesses without the proper credentials, and Wazzub's real company name is "GIT Global Investments"
  • FACT: Despite the name, GIT Global Investments is NOT in the investment business, nor is it Global.
  • FACT: Wazzub's employee count is unknown
    (UNCONFIRMED: their own blog says about 20 or so "specialists", another post claims merely 5 workers, nothing about total size of the company)
  • FACT: It is trying to sign up a ton of people, any people, with promise of sharing 50% of the profits, but have not demonstrated how it will generate any profit
  • FACT: There is no formal contract, audit, accounting, or anything, or even how you'll get paid
  • FACT: Wazzub's website design is primitive, with stock photos
  • FACT: Wazzub's blog is hosted on free blogspot.com space provided by Blogger
  • FACT: Gee DaCosta is a serial MLMer, switching from one thing to another over the years, never finding great success
  • FACT: Wazzub has helped release a single pop song at $0.99 on both iTunes and Amazon MP3, with promise of donating half (of something) to charity (unknown)
  • FACT: Wazzub released three separate statements about the song's money and donation, but the three statements don't match.
  • FACT: Wazzub have, thus not, NOT PROTECTED the term "Wazzub". Anybody can registered variations on the Wazzub name, such as MyWazzub, TeamWazzub, even WazzubwithWazzub (all are real domain names).
  • FACT: Unauthorized Wazzub eBook has appeared on Amazon Kindle singles advertising Wazzub, another sign Wazzub doesn't care about who uses the term Wazzub, with the money of the eBook going into someone else's pocket.
  • FACT: Wazzub's alleged charity was registered one month AFTER its announcement.
  • FACT: Wazzub's new "community" is an off-the-shelf $300 PHP script
  • FACT: Wazzub now requires you to enter your birthdate and real name
  • FACT: Wazzub's only other name, Michael Anthony DeBias, turned out to be a serial MLMer like Gee DaCosta, instead of "Investor and Entrepreneur" they claimed.

Now let us consider a few more facts:

  • FACT: Internet already have plenty of search engines (Google, Bing, Yahoo, Wolfram Alpha, and various other specialty search engines)
  • FACT: Internet already have plenty of start pages as well, like iGoogle, my Yahoo, My MSN, and so on.
  • FACT: It took 13 years for Google to make 3 billion dollars per year, and they have, as of 2011 Q3, over 31000 employees (and most would be engineers), and they were there first. Same with Facebook, etc.
  • FACT: Wazzub is NOT the first to claim to "share half of the profit" on the Internet. Yuwie tried that back in 2006! It died within 2 years. .

Given all these facts, success of Wazzub is very much in doubt. Everything dug up so far about Wazzub (sound-alike name to existing company, business in one state, registered in another state, and documents served to a third state, unknown owner...) suggests a shady operation (though no outright scam, merely suspicious behavior, but a lot of it). Wazzub have NO track record of any sort of entrepreneurship, Internet savvy, startup innovation, and so on as no names were given, and no facts to verify. The only real name we can attach to Wazzub is a serial MLMer who switched MLM opportunities like he switched outfits.

Furthermore, Wazzub just does NOT behave like a company backed up by millions of dollars that Gee DaCosta had claimed. The "excuses" such as "we need to preserve capital" makes no sense when better hosting can be had for merely dollars a month and better website design can be had for not much more.

There is current no 'business' called Wazzub. As far as I can tell, Wazzub is not trademarked or even registered as a Fictitious Business Name (i.e. "doing business as"). Theoretically, anyone can registered a business called Wazzub and sue these guys out of their domain name through cybersquatting law.

Yet Wazzub claim to rival Google and such in merely a few month what took Google a decade.

Then they changed their tune to rival Facebook and Twitter.

There is very little to actually recommend Wazzub. Wazzub is not a scam per se, but objective study shows that you are unlikely to profit much from it. Google may be making 3 billion a year, but it took them 13 years to do it (founded 1998). And they were there at almost the "beginning" of World Wide Web. Wazzub, with merely a few engineers (so they claim) is unlikely to grab a tiny sliver of the search and homepage market, and thus, Advertisement would be next to worthless and unlikely to generate much of revenue to be shared.

As there is virtually no chance for Wazzub to succeed in current Internet environment as they have thus far not demonstrated one bit WHY they can accomplish any of their claims. Therefore, one wonders if this is merely an effort to "harvest" a lot of e-mail addresses from people (see #15 from the link) who are interested in such "income opportunities" (i.e. gullible).

Is it worth your effort to join Wazzub? I personally don't think so, but if you have a spare e-mail address / identity you want to risk getting spammed on, go right ahead. Don't expect much out of it though.


Addendum: Reader Reactions

It seems people who read this hub and chose to leave some feedback (feel free to read through the comments yourself) fell into three camps

  1. I believe in Wazzub no matter what you say
  2. I once believed in Wazzub but I ignored all these facts you found, so I no longer do
  3. I told you Wazzub is a scam

To Group 1, Why do you believe in Wazzub? What has it said to earn your trust?

To Gorup 2, due diligence is always good.

To Group 3, I never said it's a scam, merely it behaves very much like one.

Conclusion

It seems that some people have somehow, convinced themselves that Wazzub will succeed and make them lots of money by doing nothing, when there's no evidence that Wazzub can ever carry out what it promised. When asked, they pointed at other Internet companies, not Wazzub, and they don't see the problem of their own confirmation bias.


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      Igor the Rurrian 4 months ago

      This is the kind of thing that would excite losers in their 40's, operating from mom's basement in the hopes of making up for their lack on intelligence to complete their GEDs... simply pathetic...

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      Doreen 18 months ago

      I just thought you'd like to know that I received a cease and desist order from some clown threatening me with legal action for a blog post about this scam from two years ago. I can't stop laughing ;)

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      Peat Moss 19 months ago

      I'd like to see a Follow up done here . 2016 now . ware is everyone ??? You making money ??? Yes, I truly believe now this is a scam . 2011 till 3/24/2016 . LOL GOT SQUAT , Just offer after offer . Crowd funding . Yeah . crowding Mr. Dan's Pocket with your hard earned cash . NO IPO IN SIGHT . AVOIDED LIKE THE PLAUGE !!! LIE's LIE's LIE's !!! I'd love to see this company and any just like it be reported to the proper authorities . Stop building on false hope . They even went as far as saying there would be 3 IPO's in 2015 , WAZZUB/PI WSS and BOBL . with a major one the APRIL 2015 one . day came and went No PIO , LOL I don't even think they knew what one was . then you start getting lessons on what an IPO is and how it's done like there looking at this for the first time . so it was stated 3 IPO's in 2015 Not 1 to date . og the guy Mr. Dan come out and just says , I'm Sorry . Well i'm sorry just don't cut it . you lied period . this is a SCAM !!!! No IPO Create a HOLDING COMPANY , so much bull shit here . need heavy equipment to sort through it all .

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      Zlate Palice 2 years ago

      Re: Caveat - Emptor

      You are mistaken because this link that you put is wrong. PI did registered new company but that isn't BOBL LCC but it is BOBL US LLC:

      Here is the link of registered company BOBL US LLC:

      http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_i...

      and you will find that company was registered on 04/10/2015

      about IPO i will tell you that when company files for IPO there are several security like process of waiting period and so on and IPO of PI will happen

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      Caveat-Emptor 2 years ago

      SEC must be or must be made aware of PI. Perfect Internet Inc. http://www.perfectinter.net/investors.php is saying on their website that their IPO is set for this April 2015 and that it may be well the BIGGEST LIE of one of PI supposed founders Dan Settgast including all PI directors to those members and investor which had given money to this group of corrupt and liars. To make matters more funny or disgusting they had sold shares of a to be founded company named BOBL Inc but this corporation name is an already registered company since 3 or 4 years ago BOBL LLC http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_web_name_srch_i... . Caveat-Emptor

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      Zlate Palice 2 years ago

      ha ha ya but it's better than nothing.

      I must admit that you (kschang) are persistent in your arguments and no matter if we all get all evidence you still won't believe.

      I see that you have a lot knowledge of network marketing.

      That are the people we need for the projects in WSS or PI. Like Perfectpages

      I'm 100% that you won't lose any your money.

      So my advise is to you join the PI or WSS or BOBL and attend to one of general webinars of PI and instead of arguing who has better reasons

      that wazzub/pi is scam or not.

      Maybe you will be the one who give great idea to change some of failures or delays that Wazzub have in past and

      probably you won't work cheap.

      Cheers KSCHANG and i'm still waiting on Wesharesucces company review

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      kschang 2 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      So you earned a few hundred after what? Three-four YEARS?

      You sure work cheap, man.

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      Andrej 2 years ago

      Well, it just means that it's not a scam! So you wasted 3 years of researching :D I'm a part of PI/Wazzub too, and I've earned about 180$ by now, and didn't pay a single cent! Additionaly, I own stocks of the company, PerfectInternet, which IPO is coming in April, and also from our subcompany WeShareSuccess, which I didn't pay for with my money, but invested my november profit share. So whatever it is, it is NOT A SCAM. :)

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      kschang 2 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      You got a pittance for the hundreds of hours you've spent on this for last THREE YEARS. And you are proud of it.

      How interesting.

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      Zlate Palice 2 years ago

      Hi

      Kschang

      You put a lot of work in research of PI and Wazzub so why didn't you signup with Wazzub and PI.

      PI needs people like you with the knowledge on internet.

      My oppinion or view of PI is:

      When i join to wazzub (it was in december 2011) first i believe it was a scam, because it was stupid one page and only if you sing up there was only e-mail box. On the first look a laugh.

      Then in january was first webinar of PI and then i realise that this can be huge and i must say that never before i pay, invest, join or anything on internet and still i join to wazzub for free. Nobody force me to join or persuaded me.

      I was patient for three years. They promise each year that now we will be in profit over and over again but profit never came. In the meantime project was developing very fast and become part of PI but still some site are worse of being perfect.

      My facts: I was patient so my earnings: In 2013 i received for 3 months $13 and for 2014 2 months (now we are in profit every month from september) i received for month october: $177, november $265.

      I can tell you that the best member who got the biggest commission earn in two months over $1500. There are proofs of payment and recieving money on bank account or payment through payooner debit card.

      I never pay them any money and i still earn $422. Ya i know iwas waiting 3 years but still now i will get money every month.

      Facebook didn't pay me, google didnt pay me amazon and other strong leaders of marketing and advertisers page didnt pay me wazzub did pay me and still paying me.

      I read somwhere: "First you must believed it because only then you can see it".

      PI is building jobs and website for members and members decide what is the main purpose of the company. On PI the membes is the main guy the motor of company. Everything is building for the members and they are creating like members wanted.

      My purpose here is not spamming or anything but for you Kschang PI and others unbelievers PI is creating another oportunity for you. I could post here my reflink but i won't.

      Here is the main link: wesharesuccess.com and i like your oppinion on this oportunity of PI company, this company is called WE SHARE SUCCESS LTD. and the page is better than wazzub page start.

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      Safwan Zulfazli 3 years ago

      Looks like Wazzub has turned into Perfect Internet or some sort. In the dashboard of Perfect Internet, there is an application like interface that features Wazzub and other few weird apps. Looks like it's just a scam after all. :/

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      trisno 3 years ago

      Thank you

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      My analysis is based on the information available to the public when Wazzub announced itself on the Internet and have been updated ever since. The fact is their hype is merely a sizzle and a HUGE disappointment. Sure you don't PAY them anything, so it won't COST you anything, but chances of you making ANY money off them is negligible.

      As for "contradictory" and "malicious"... everything I reported is true, and my conclusions are backed up by evidence. If you feel my analysis was wrong you're welcome to point out any mistakes in logic or evidence, but right now you really don't have any evidence other than "it looked great to me, it doesn't look like a scam".

      Frankly, no scam *looks* like a scam to someone who's in it.

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      kelch 4 years ago

      Hi Kschang i just joined Myperfectinternet(wazzub). Everything is so clear about their vision, team, offers, investors etc your analysis here seem contradictory and malicious. they have great services and i admire their concept a great deal.

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      The information was accurate at the time of launch of Wazzub. If they FINALLY chose to go a different direction with their current endeavour, good for them. But why the tease and failed launch in the first place? Hmmm? This wasn't their first dance. Keep that in mind as you go along.

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      Stockist 4 years ago

      Seems you need to re-write a major part of conclusions from above done research: The "suspects" are showing their faces to the public on their multilingual landing page to the whole world and do an excellent job offering people free services and FREE business opportunities. In my eyes the butterfly coming out of the caterpillar are their Deals Platforms. I joined their free Affiliate Program and I have already sold a product successfully.

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      former wassub fan 4 years ago

      I mailed a letter to the address they specified to get a list of Prize Mania prize winners and it came back as addressee unknown - unable to forward, I then contacted one of their team members and he said they had simply put in the wrong suite number, Don't you think the Postman would known enough to bring it to the correct suite if they were still located in the building?

      They just had an election of an advisory board and a very good friend of mine got elected as a member and also as the chairman of it. I have asked him to find out just who is behind this company and they now say that they are going to pay out .04 cents per $Factor starting on September 15th. Most people would actually lose money just getting the card to get it on! I wish them well but they have dug themselves such a deep hole now I don't think they will ever be able to recover!

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Too little, too late?

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      saludyenergia 4 years ago from Guatemala

      Hello kschang, look and showed wazzub team, there's Michael Antony Debias, although still operating, remember the beginning of wazzub with false promises. http://perfectinter.net/team.php

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      former wassub fan 4 years ago

      The PU just had a major overhaul to their site with some more information added Not saying that they will ever produce anywhere near what they have been promising all along but it is nice to see some progress finally being made!

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Whoever's posting AiYellow stuff here... wrong topic.

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      former Wazzub fan 4 years ago

      They are now down to under 3,000,000 members and they told everyone that they would have 8 million by last September and 100 million by next month, Now they are just saying they will soon hit ONE BILLION! If that would ever happen then I would hit the lottery 5 draws in a row without even buying one ticket! Can you imagine any firm willing to underwrite their IPO offering or a record company willing to sign the winner of their global talent contest to a recording contract and hire a large venue in Las Vegas for their first concert! I sure cannot when they can't even find enough firms willing to partner with them so they can introduce their new "Stars" like I deal smarter and the travel thingy! My upline has a $Factor of over 280,000 and they say they will each be worth $10 a month. That would make him the highest paid networker in the world by double....do you really think that will ever happen?

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      They kicked out like 95% of all the members, right? Those that don't get to share? Do they really expect them to stick around? Ha-ha.

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      former Wazzub fan 4 years ago

      Hey! Watch for their major announcement coming this May 24th when they say their are going to get all media coverage from around the world and now they are looking for one billion members by the end of this year! They say they are going to start up a world wide talent contest and the winner will have a recording contract and a big concert in Las Vegas also. I was under the impression that Jim Jones was out of his special blend of KoolAid! They have been begging members to invite more people and now they are down 50% from what they once claimed to have!

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      former Wassub fan 4 years ago

      Suresh Kumar is the new CEO of the program, He was the head of their anti fraud investigation and says he can smell a fraud from miles away! He must of a head cold for the last year and a half!

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Where did you get these names? I want to see your proof linking them (except the ones I already know,of course).

      Some of the information was already explained above. I don't have time to do detailed investigation, but here's a few bits:

      Cathy Halverson resides in Roseville, CA, not Beaverton OR. Her relative Halvorson lives there. The OR address is used by a company called US Corporation Services in California to register businesses in Oregon.

      The Miami Address "Business Point" is a virtual office. Found dozens of companies at that same address.

      No idea about that address on St. Martin island.

      The German guy sounds like a MLM marketer with multiple failed ventures, including a dissolved company called ATOZ Marketing

      Already gave plenty of details on Michael Anthony DeBias and Gee DaCosta

      Checking map of Qingdao shows no such road os "Guangcheng road".

      No idea who Suresh Kumar Balakrishnan is, but that name sounds more Indian than Malaysian. As for that address, would you believe it was once used to sell fake Viagra?

      http://who.is/domain-history/formaxplay.com

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      PI Scam or No? 4 years ago

      Thanks, here you have more data any help will be appreciated regarding: GIT Global Investments Inc - Perfect Internet, Inc. Wazzub as well as from any of the following persons:

      Registered Agent: Cathy Halverson, 391 NW 179th Ave, Beaverton, OR, 97006, U.S.A.

      Founder/ CEO/COO: Daniel Settgast at 66 Beethoven Road, Cay Hill, Saint Maarten and/or BUSINESS POINT 73RD STREET, 3680 NW, MIAMI, FL, 33147, U.S.A.

      Founder: Nicole Herding at 66 Beethoven Road, Cay Hill, Saint Maarten Maarten and/or BUSINESS POINT 73RD STREET, 3680 NW, MIAMI, FL, 33147, U.S.A.

      Founder: Roland Zoell at Pritzenow 22, 17089 Bartow, Germany.

      GIT/PI Corporate Secretary: Michael A. DeBias at 1101 N Rainbow Blvd., Las Vegas, NV 89108, U.S.A. and/or 2667 S DECATUR BLVD APT 2096, LAS VEGAS, NV, 89102, U.S.A.

      Director: Waldir Francisco Dacosta, AKA Gee DaCosta at 40631 N. Panther Creek Trail, Anthem, AZ, 85086, U.S.A.

      Director: Ming He at No. 67 Guangcheng Road, Qingdao, Shandong, China

      •New President and CEO and/or Director of Antifraud: Suresh Kumar Balakrishnan at BLK B-5-8 Vista Panorama, Taman Bukit Permai 5, Taman Bukit Permai Cheras, 56100, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

      Mari Northup (actual president on documents):

      Any help will be appreciated…

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      kschang 4 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Interesting, but didn't M_NORWAY say this would happen?

      http://behindmlm.com/companies/wazzub-review-anoth...

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      Former Wazzub fan 4 years ago

      IMPORTANT NOTICE: This order form is part of the exclusive private offer to our registered Members only. You are not allowed to share this offer with any third party and you are not allowed to order C.O.P. Units in the name of any other person. If you are not a registered Member, you are not allowed to make an order. Orders from persons other than registered Members will not be executed. If you try to order units as a non-registered Member and make a payment, we will send the money back to you after all applicable fees have been deducted.

      Personal C.O.P. Order Form for Suresh Kummar

      C.O.P. Units at US$100 per unit

      to be converted into 0 shares.

      Total amount: US$0.00

      By clicking the "Send Order" button I confirm that I am a registered Member and that I acknowledge the following:

      C.O.P. Units are not company shares but I will receive 250 preferred company shares of Perfect Internet, Inc. (PI) per fully paid C.O.P. Unit when the company is going public (IPO). I understand that this Co-Ownership Program is an exclusive offer for registered Members, made by the main share holder, GIT Europe Ltd. (GIT). For my safety and as a guarantee, GIT will transfer all shares related to this Co-Ownership Program to a separate company. This company will hold the shares in trust until IPO of the Perfect Internet Inc. and I will receive my shares on the day of IPO. I understand that this is an investment into a startup company and I know that like with any other investment, there is a risk to lose money. I confirm that it is not forbidden in my jurisdiction to make an investment of this type. Last Day to place your order will be 23rd March 2013 Midnight EST. After you place order you will receive instructions on how to pay.

      They have also added a comparison chart in the profile page comparing them to face book, yahoo and google based on comments on Alexa.com. Funny how they had asked everyone to go their and give it 5 stars and then use those fake comments to make people think they are really great and people love it.

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      former Wazzub fan 4 years ago

      Now they are they are back with Round Two of their cash grab. Opened it up to all members to send them money for phantom shares of their stock when they have their IPO. They are even predicting a price of $25 a share. If that day would ever come I expect the price to be much closer to 02.5 cents a share and then it would soon go down even more. I say refinance everything you own and put it all into the PU stock!

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      .FormerWazzubhfan 4 years ago

      Michael Anthony DeBias holds position #1 in the matrix of Wazzoo. He was also the head of their charities division but had to change his name and email since he was getting so many complaints about his past practices,

      They said about 130 days ago that everything was ready to launch but it would be just too much for us to comprehend at one time so they were going to show a small portion everyday on a 42 day launch marathon. In that time the only things they have produced are RSS feeds, a weekly E Book to download, finally an email system which is nothing to get exited about. Now they say they are going to spend $500 a week to purchase lottery tickets in 8 countries and we can register and play for free and if one of the numbers would win then all of those who registered for that draw would have to win a drawing one more time to get any funds. $2,000 is the most money they have ever made in one month also. Oh yes, you can also send them $10 to play your own numbers every week, They are doing everything possible to get a higher Alexa ranking but it is actually going down instead of up! Bin Laden's kid will be elected as our President before they ever pay out a nickel to those who still believe!

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      PSM 4 years ago

      Wazzub / PI is a scam, they are asking members to buy goods in their store in idealsmarter. Since April, the month is not paid not a penny, but established new rules to attend community and to be active three times a week. E-mail addresses of many members of the PSM were sold, removed PSM members for no reason, they say that the clear PSM members have done their job and now they are not necessary. There are dozens of promises that are not fulfilled, certificates, cards, $ factor, COP, and much more. They took our passports, they steal $ factor, and explain it in the system a lot of scams, but they can not explain or provide an example of how they calculate the scam. They are specially made ​​so that the active members become inactive, and then declared them fraudulent and removed. They do not like to hear criticism, remove members for their opinion. I think that it is necessary to gather members and write blogs with insider information, otherwise this disgrace won't stop. In advance I ask forgiveness for bad English. I hope to you clearly that I want I try to inform to you.

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      formerwazzubfan 4 years ago

      They are now on Day 87 of their 42 day launch marathon and nothing new has been added of real value yer. Mr DuBias is the Head of their Charities program but had to change his name and email due to numerous complaints about his past projects. He is also listed as #1 in the data base!

      I sent in my identification but also signed up for the LifeLock program and so far no attempts to get my identity or bank account information! :-) They are down to around 3.5 million members and still begging everyone to refer more so they can earn deal points tines 5 for every referral. The value of a deal point is less than .20 cents. That will surely fund your retirement program if you happy with living in s refrigerator box under a highway overpass! I also signed up Dan Cole's brother into mt aiyellow program! Suresh is still looking for cheaters before they can set the $Factors and nothing on how you will be able to get your money either.

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      mlm_researcher 5 years ago

      Looks as the owner of WAZZUB has not made enough money yet !

      The domain makemoneywithnocost.com now points to a new referral link.

      and there is states: -

      You are invited by M. Anthony DeBias

      7028248275

      mike (at) debias.org

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Kevin, as I said I want to discuss Wazzub here.

      You can discuss AiYellow on my other blog if you prefer not to do it on BehindMLM

      http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/10/how-legal-...

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      Former Wazzoo fan 5 years ago

      The source of my information was most likely their first employee and she and all County Managers had to sign a "Non Disclosure" agreement and she doesn't want to get sued by them. I have told her that they sure don't want to ever see the inside of another court room since this time they would end up in a non smo9king 8'x12' room for many years but she is still leery for good reason I suspect! They are now using the excuse of needing to make sure they remove all fraudulent ID's from the roles so as to not pay a false person a single cent. Gee told everyone on one of their BS webinars that they should start looking for a jet to purchase since they money will be soon rolling in to make the payments, Then he said that they had their own branded Master Card to pay people on but not one more word has been passed out on that either, They also have claimed to have 31,000 profit sharing members but can only get about 110 on their special weekly webinars. Everything is now all about getting higher Alexa rankings and they are even steadily dropping week by week. Not saying it's a scam but never ever look for a single payment from it and you will not be disappointed!

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      Former Wazzoo fan 5 years ago

      Ks, y0ur a sharp guy and I would like your opinion however I went to the site you mentioned and nothing they are investigating pertains to us in the least! A person joins for free and if they never do a thing they will of course make nothing. However, If they purchase an ad code package at wholesale ($30 for 5 codes) and then resell them to local businesses for retail ($30 each) they will have a profit of $120 to put into their pocket. Unlike the Yellow Book these have a truly global reach for only $2.50 a month compared to about a $100 a month for their listings, They have just came out with more features and ad code packages that are truly awesome and will make all who put in some effort a very nice recurring income for doing some work one time. They have a long association with the International Chamber of Commerce and have also announced a great program for the local clubs to make money and also save their member firms about 60% on the cost of their ads. Yes, your sponsor does make a nice bonus on your first purchase but it is a one time thing and is greatly reduced on future ones. Their is no required monthly auto ship purchase and the ad codes never expire until you sell or give them away. You have to sell ad codes to make a nice recurring income and soon this will become a house hold name the world over and if you want to look up a business in the yellow book you will have to go to a museum to look in the book since they will no longer be in print.

      The PU was suppose to open up their email service this past weekend and of course they once again failed to meet their projected deadline! Now on day 74 of their 42 day launch program.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Kevin -- thanks for the info, but without third-party corroboration it's gonna go as "unconfirmed". :)

      We can discuss AIYellow over on BehindMLM.

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      Former Wazzoo fan 5 years ago

      KS, I noticed you asked for conformation and I had submitted the post before I could reply, My information about the PU or PI as they like to call if came from one of their first employees and she had gleaned this information from conversations with their officers and overheard telephone conversations. She and the other staff went for three weeks without getting a paycheck so they all finally left and walked out, Then they came up with the Cop's program and had enough to repay them so they came back for a bit until they hired a person who they all could not stand so they all left once again!

      I appreciate your efforts into looking into this completely phony program and I know of people who sent in $8,000 thinking they would be very rich when they got public. They will never get a penny back and ask a Country Manager they have been working for free for months on end in the hopes of getting even more shares of their worthless stock.

      As to the aiyellow program is is going to be even better than we could of ever hoped and by the end of this week or at least the month!

      If you want to discuss these awesome improvements my Skype ID is: kevin.kintzi

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Former Wazzoo fan -- i.e. kevin... I have no problem with you guys selling the listings to real businesses. and glad you guys are doing so. HOWEVER, I have problems seeing AiYellow PAYING you all for stuff that you *bought*, instead of paying for for stuff that you sold.

      Go look up "Omnitrition case" on MLMlaw.com before coming back with more marketing speak, or your next comment is going into the spam bin.

      Oh, and please remove that affiliate link in future comments. Once is enough.

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      Former Wazzoo fan 5 years ago

      kschang, you folks are so wrapped up into thinking everything is a scam your afraid to even look at one who in less than 4 years time has done over $350 million a year in sales and paid out over $57 million to its affiliates and has now decided to take it on a global expansion, completely redesign their website and add in even more and more feature packed ad packages to their already impressive lineup. If your sick and tired of losing money and having a program fail then you deserve this one. If you don't think we have a product go to our site at aiyellow.com and do a search on a South America country and see all of the ads. Also McDonald's, HP, and Sony have purchased Master ads on our portal for a minimum of $4,500 for a three month listing. Our new Premium ads will include 1o catalogs of 2o photo's each with descriptions and up to 25 20 minutes videos. This is only $200 a year and the yellow book charges that for a single month in their book.

      http://marketing.aiyellow.com/KevinAlaskaAiYellow

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Former Wazzoo fan -- interesting info, got any corroboration?

      As for AiYellow... there's some debate on how legit it is as well, and its own history. For non-cheerleading review (not written by me):

      http://behindmlm.com/companies/aiyellow-review-no-...

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      Former Wazzoo fan 5 years ago

      First off this wonderful life changing company has a total of three employees in their rented office space. Dan from GIT Investments, his wife and one other person who the others couldn't stand so they all quit. Remember how they needed your personal information to follow all laws...well they didn't pay into the unemployment taxes fund for three months so most of those that quit can only get $100 a week in benefits. Also the owners of this have at least two cease and desist orders against them for the same type of business so they get one of their overseas programmers to sign for anything that requires a signature now. Gee de Costa is also a part of the ownership group and he has always stated that he is just a member like you! Open communications yea right why is their chat box always closed and they kick people out of the community when they ask tough questions?

      Remember when they said they had everything ready to go but it would just overwhelm everyone so they were going to release it bit by bit over 42 days....well they are now on day 72 and not much has changed except they are selling knock off, no brand name goods made in China with a phony list price to make the truly stupid think they are getting a deal and quality merchandise. Their monthly costs are over $10,000 and they don't even state how much money they had made the month prior only to say that they didn't cover expenses. Forget about ever seeing a single cent from this one folks! Quite a few of us joined another program that is up and running, doing over 350 million a year in sales in South America and just now joining on a world wide expansion with an in demand product in a multi trillion dollar a year world wide market and they have paid out over $57 million to its members already and it is only getting better and better!

      http://marketing.aiyellow.com/KevinAlaskaAiYellow If your sick and tired of get ripped off and never rewarded for your work then you need to join in this one for free and then spend $30 to make a $150 right into your pocket! Anyone who says it a scam is an idiot!

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      monicamelendez 5 years ago from Salt Lake City

      Kschang I have to say that I'm super impressed that you did all of this research. Maybe if I researched this well, I would do better on HubPages.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Greg and @Mireille -- so are you here to discuss FACTS or speculations? I don't deal with speculations unless they are backed up by facts or solid logic, and looks like you two don't have either.

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      Mireille 5 years ago

      you doubt that you will regret wazzub thing is on

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      Greg 5 years ago

      You don't know everything @kschang :) And will be better for you (your ads here still need people to watch them) to change your text sound about 180 degrees. Trust me, man! ;)

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Kunai -- I'll have to credit their effective viral campaign and catchy slogan: success sharing phenomenon. The parts about only 30K people are going to share any profits, of course, haven't quite propagated around the world, I think.

      Popularity of a website doesn't mean anything by itself. It doesn't translate to profit unless you can KEEP the people on the site and keep showing them ads. A portal site doesn't do that.

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      Kunal 5 years ago

      Kschang@Good research,But PI"s traffic rank is 7000 in usa,and was 1700 yesterday,i wonder why it gets so much traffic ,ranks are 587 in portugal and 3000 in argentina,how can it have such good traffic ranks?

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      It's also interesting what kind of people go surf Wazzub and Perfect Internet. Copied from Alexa just now:

      Wazzub.com’s Regional Traffic Ranks

      CountryRank

      Tanzania 133

      Montenegro 156

      Cote d'Ivoire 445

      Ghana 597

      Lithuania 616

      Perfectinter.net’s Regional Traffic Ranks

      CountryRank

      Tanzania 58

      Ghana 149

      Kazakhstan 300

      Russia 358

      Nigeria 368

      Have fun advertising stuff to folks in Africa and Eastern Europe, Mr. Flansburg.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      I thought Wazzub did most of that for you already? Out of 6 million alleged members, they said only what? 30K people may get paid as they have enough "$Factor" or whatever?

      It's dead because the entire Wazzub idea is dead. Your enthusiasm is not entirely rational.

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      mflansburg 5 years ago from Minnesota

      The Perfect Internet!......... :)

      the REAL place to start Your internet experince.

      Im thinking this hub/blog is dead. Why did it die? Because the product and the business are REAL, and as everyday goes by, we get bigger and bigger. I really should thank kschang for helping to steer people away from WazzUB, leaving us remaining Wazzubians with a MUCH BIGGER share of the pie! Thanks kschang. Love You man!

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      Fransua 5 years ago

      @kschang thanks for answering my questions, this information helped me a lot, now look at this from wazzub: 3 Days Added for POI Upload, this is not good, http://perfectinternetnews.blogspot.com/2012/06/ju...

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      Terrence Spori 5 years ago from Reading, England

      How is it not raising flags in the fans' minds when wazzub asks not just for legal photographic ID, but a signature as well? And if your ID doesn't contain a signature, you are to sign it on paper, scan and upload it? Totally ridiculous, as well as their declaration that (assuming that they pay out any money) if you ever switch your homepage from perfectinternet you lose your right to any payments permanently.

      Plus you must defend them if anything happens, as their TOS states.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Serene Chaos -- thanks for the kind words. When $$$$ is involved, some people simply don't WANT to hear ANYTHING that denies what they believe in. James Randi, the famous skeptic, called it "true believer syndrome". I can't link to my blog explaining this but you can Google it.

      The check scam... should probably be handed to your local police's fraud unit. Large cities probably have one. I know my local police got involved when one of my friends got hooked by a "sweetheart scam". Fortunately he haven't parted with any money just yet, but that's another story.

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      Serene Chaos 5 years ago from Sedalia, Missouri

      I don't get this at all. kschang spent alot of time and effort to provide information everyone else is too lazy or lack the intelligence to look up. ALL of the facts presented were backed up in a VERIFIABLE way. Though, it would surprise me if any of the people still singing Wazzub's praises even bothered to verify AFTER all the work was already done for you... Yet people want to jump all over the author for providing a VERY informative public service, FOR YOU!! It's obscenely inconsiderate.

      @kschang- this is one of the first hubs I read. Though a bit wordy and repetitive towards the end, I was nonetheless fascinated. I recently got sent a check in the mail. Of course I knew it was a scam, but it piqued my curiosity. I had NO clue the hows or even whys, and even more ignorant about how to research it myself. Until now. I bookmarked another article you wrote about that. I didn't follow the instructions on how to get the money, and I wonder if it would've worked if I had, and what the repercussions would be if it did. But my bank said it was done in a way that they can not PROVE it to be a fake check, however, they wanted nothing to do with it, ande just gave it back to me lol. *shrugs* Anyway... Thanks for some great info!!

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      You must be one of the "20 international associates" Gee DaCosta was referring to... Are you in Dubai, by any chance? Is your research skill so pathetic that you failed to prove a single instance how my "research is rubbish"? Or is your internet connection too weak to use Google properly?

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      from wazzub family 5 years ago

      kschang, you are so pethetic wasting your time to prove u r right ,MAN u r sick,this long useless page is nothing but rubish,leave wazzub alone and do something productive u r like a woman whos with ugly face spent her lif criticizing a pretty woman ,u r a hopeless case,STOP MAN,u are so boring,go do something useful for ur country family wife kid even for ur pet u waste ur time go out of the box offfffff

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Mr. Robert A Lee is an employee of US Corporation Services, the company GIT Global Investment used to incorporate. He lives in California, and appeared as president in variety of other companies serving as "figurehead president". If this is indeed who Wazzub is talking about, it's proof that Wazzub is HIDING THINGS from us.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      I can find no record of "Robert A. Lee" passing away in California in any of the obituaries section through Google. In any case, Robert A. Lee is listed as the "incorporator", not an officer. For now it's "unknown". Wazzub is welcome to clarify their statement.

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      Fransua 5 years ago

      thanks for answering, look what i found searching the internet, the name of Mr. Lee and wazzub:

      http://behindmlm.com/companies/wazzub-review-anoth...

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Fransua -- I'll write a point-by-point analysis, but here's a summary

      Point 1 is somewhat accurate. Little research would show that estimated Internet user is 2.25 billion. Their own 20 million unique visitor statistic was never audited, so there's a bit of question on accuracy.

      Point 2 is wishful thinking, not fact. That's like saying "I can sell to the entire world" when clearly there's a limit on the actual reach of the distribution mechanism, not to mention of the people that can be reached, how much would actually be interested. There is TOO MUCH ASSUMPTION of interest or potential.

      Point 3 is unverified, as we don't know the sample size, possible bias, etc.. While the number is probably accurate, accuracy / error margin is unknown. Only people who bothered to rate things would rate on Alexa, but given that PI only existed for one month, the ratings cannot be relied upon.

      Point 4 the alleged "transparency" is bogus, as thus far Wazzub / Perfect Internet has yet to reveal who is running the show, such as who is this mysterious "Mr. Lee" that allegedly passed away. The so-called profit-sharing phenomenon now requires you to hand over your photo ID from around the world, even though you didn't do any real work for them. They don't need it to pay you... All they need is your Paypal account. So why the ID?

      While the "alleged intent" is to weed out the "fake registerers", that is only ONE of the explanations. There are plenty of ways to weed out fakers... By taking multiple steps. Send CAPTCHA codes to accounts and require 24 hours reply (and give up to 3 chances), send a special verification code to the user who then must re-enter the code along with their referral ID, and so on and so forth.

      Who is to say that people won't submit fake IDs, or manipulated images? Does Wazzub even have the staff to go through the ID submitted and actually KNOW that the scanned ID are genuine? Can they read the hundreds of languages around the world with the staff of about 10 they have in their Las Vegas office, and the 6 million ID's they expect to get? Come on. Be serious.

      The rest of the "webinar" is more wishful thinking and contains no useful facts.

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      Fransua 5 years ago

      Look at this http://webinarrecap.blogspot.com/ more information about wazzub of wazzub, what is your comment about this?

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Thanks for the PDF. The GTU, PP are pretty much boilerplate stuff, except for that "zinger" about they own all your content (apparently, all ID's uploaded belongs to them too, ha-ha-ha).

      The PSP terms are somewhat interesting. While it's NOT ILLEGAL to ask for ID, it's surprising how many Wazzub-ies just gave them up without a second thought. Even mflansburg, a reasonable guy, persuaded himself that the ID's are reasonable when it's not. You don't WORK for Wazzub as employee, so none of the Federal / Homeland Security stuff applies like eVerify and so on.

      The only other company that requires photo ID was TVI Express, that I recall, for doing work over Internet.

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      WAzzubSHit 5 years ago from here&there

      Can somebody make a review of terms of use on this link (pdf): https://anonfiles.com/file/880a64b4305f23f6f098719...

      This is general terms of use, privacy policy and special terms of use for pre-launch members. Any kind of inspection or conclusion made by a person who has deeper knowledge about related issues might change or clear the opinion of many members who wonder about wazzub and wander around hubs like this one.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      It's end of May, and no update from mflansburg who promised an update by 16-MAY-2012. Wonder if he still believes in Wazzub?

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      They can always sell the ID to criminals in YOUR country.

      http://www.darkreading.com/advanced-threats/167901...

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      Fransua 5 years ago

      Help Please,I have real doubts, I do not live in the U.S., and I want to know what the risk to send ID, I read all the evidence against WazzUB, but still want to know what the risk, thanks

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      Fransua 5 years ago

      What is the risk of sending the ID to USA? Can you be specific?

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      S K Sinha 5 years ago from India

      It was nice to read another research paper hub from you kschang ! Earning Opportunities with such big claims and no solid proposal, I never believed them, so no comments on wazzub but it is your research methods which motivated me to go through the hub. Very interesting! Thanks for sharing !

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      reagu 5 years ago from Los Angeles

      Very extensive tips on research. I do not know about Wazzub, but I know that there are many opportunistic websites out there who scams people.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @snithin -- If you can't tell me why my analysis is rubbish, perhaps it's your opinion that belongs in the rubbish bin.

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      Snithin 5 years ago

      Don`t post any more rubbish and foolish things.....stupid

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      Andera 5 years ago

      My days of caring for online 'programs' like Wazzub are well in the past, but this Hub is absolutely amazing on its own terms.

      I wish I had the patience to dig this deep into anything.

      Great job, a vote well deserved!

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Hmmm... Did I say 100 million first or did they?

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Why, thanks for sharing your opinion, stupid.

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      stupid 5 years ago

      u stupid stop attacking wazzub after all what all see u r pethetic stop u r boring and seem have nothing to do go u are so boring

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      Terrence Spori 5 years ago from Reading, England

      Funny how the PI page now requires you to accept terms of use which include the following:

      "Content that is illegal or prohibited, includes, but is not limited to, material, text, graphics, video or audio that: ....."get-rich-quick schemes", etc."

      Their latest webinar is over an hour and a half of drivel repeating over and over that it will take time, wazzub rules the internet, etc. He's now challenged the faithful to raise 100 million members by this year. $factor to be frozen on May 3 instead of May 21.

      Circus much? More like cult.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      One possible explanation: Wazzub had never need much more than some grandiose promises of pomp and circumstance. Now that it finally "pre-launched", it's pretty clear the whole thing is 99% pomp and 1% circumstance. :D And isn't that what a circus is?

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      WAzzubSHit 5 years ago from here&there

      @Lila - How do you mean "has become"? Are you trying to convince someone that there actually was some order regarding that issue?

      Just a few minutes away my post was again deleted from wiziq comments section. Do you want to know why? Because I suggested to do the order. When wazzub and git will be approved by http://www.bbb.org/ ,then we can talk order.

      Meanwhile, enjoy waiting for your truth.

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      Lila 5 years ago

      I think this has become a circus. I´m still waiting for the real truth.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Terrence -- which is why I took screenshots to make sure they can't go "revisionist" on me. The announcement is also mirrored on many member sites and they can't change them all.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @Terrence -- it is indeed difficult to argue with fanatics, who often use "special pleading" or "no true Scotsman" logical fallacies to create 'wiggle room' for themselves in order to discount facts detrimental to their "cause".

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      Terrence 5 years ago

      Nicely done deconstruction of the page. I'm positive as soon as they get word of this that may 1 page will be either deleted or amended.

      Let's see....

      I find it difficult to argue with people in favor of it as it just becomes a circular argument, if they won't objectively debate. Like a (fanatical) conspiracy theorist, every argument brought up to refute the theory is simply further evidence to them of the conspiracy.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      Full analysis is up

      http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/05/analyzing-...

      Apparently Michael Anthony DeBias showed his hand in crafting this announcement by recycling his favorite saying, one he used before on that failed WebSiteTester thing and cannot be found ANYWHERE else.

      That would make Suresh one of those 20 people that DeBias claims to be helping Wazzub around the world.

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      WAzzubSHit 5 years ago from here&there

      I haven't red all the elaborated facts, but I think this "small" update might add another interesting piece. DMartelonline mentions name suresh. And that these guys are slick. Well, they're not so slick and they leave traces like every living creature. suresh is a good companion of gee dacosta and as well as is cliff tavares. All of them are pumping up a crowd of followers who blindly believe. In fact wazzub appears like a kind of religious state to all of them. Which I find it sick. Well, suresh and tavares have been answering comments and giving advice to members who pose questions here: http://tinyurl.com/slicky-advising1 or here http://tinyurl.com/slicky-advising2, as well as in the comments sections of other webinars. Now, watch these comments of these same guys, it's a real disgrace, not worth a description:

      http://www.2shared.com/photo/K3pm6nwE/tavares-atti... http://www.2shared.com/photo/v8CwmX4s/tavares-atti... http://www.2shared.com/photo/xXQPPKnk/suresh-attit... http://www.2shared.com/photo/11SWkvFs/suresh-attit... http://www.2shared.com/photo/EMU8Mvsz/suresh-15may... (here suresh talks about the payment for 15th of may)

      What would you think about that?

      After those links had been posted in the wiziq comments section these guys started to perform a strict censorship. They were violating my rights and prevented me to state true facts, which I find not only disrespectful, but also a breach of the law. But I'm not a lawyer so I won't try find conclusions at this point. Besides that suresh was strongly engaged into offering a member support straight there, although it was said they won't be no longer answering questions there, but only within the community environment which can be accessed by logging-in. At the moment they explicitly stated the same, but I'm certain that if someone posts an incriminating info about their activities, they will gladly offer support in the comments section.

      However, people like suresh and cliff tavares can not even take the responsibility for a clean "public relations" and "support", how then can they be eligible to run or be a part of a transparent and responsible business? And their collaborator gee dacosta? Let's not loose more words.

      That's what I wanted to add to the story,

      WAzzubSHit - WASH it

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      PARTIAL Analysis of that May announcement posted: no less than FOUR uses of bandwagon fallacy.

      http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/05/cognitive-...

      There's also at least two uses of conspiracy theory, several instances of strawman argument, a potential misrepresentation (presenting a whole building as your "office" when you only rent a room or two inside), among other problems. That analysis comes later.

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      DMartelonline 5 years ago

      Boy these guys are slick LOL

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      I thought the blog for perfectinternetnews is on perfectinternews.blogspot.com... Oh, different domain, same website. Never mind.

      And why is may1.htm UNLINKED on the website itself? Hmmm?

      Thanks for tracking this down.

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      Terrence 5 years ago

      @kschang

      It's on their website as well...

      from the perfect internet page, top right corner newsfeed which links to

      http://perfectinternetnews.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/...

      which then invites you to read the full post at

      http://www.wazzub.info/may1.htm

      where word-for-word it's exactly as DM posted

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      That's not an official Wazzub website, thus their announcement is... well, bull****. :) registered owner of domain is some "steve johnsen" out of bellvue Washington.

      Where did he copy the info FROM? If he can't show it, then it's no more than kids playing "pass it on". Somewhere in the chain bull**** crept into the message.

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      DMartelonline 5 years ago

      Here is the exact language "May 22 through May31:

      Pre-Launch members who are qualified for payments update their profile in members’ area and upload proof of identity.

      Note: we are bound by U.S. Law to make payments only to individuals with proven identity.

      Our Anti-Fraud Department will delete all cheaters from our data base. Those cheaters who try to receive money by giving personal data will be sued in the USA and/or their country." and it's here: http://wazzubscam.com/

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @DMartelOnline -- where did you see that explanation about ID? I checked their various blogs and websites and I can't find it.

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      @mflansburg -- you do NOT work for Wazzub. You are an independent contractor to Wazzub. (i.e. you are not W-2, but 1099). Thus, all the Federal regulations you brought up? Completely irrelevant. They are for W-2 employees. E-Verify, I-9, and all that.

      When you throw in the insults, it pretty much confirms you've lost that cool head that distinguishes you from the other Wazzub-ies.

      Thanks for playing. It had been fun.

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      mflansburg 5 years ago from Minnesota

      Federal law requires us to obtain sufficient information to verify

      your identity. You may be asked several questions and to provide one or more forms of identification to fulfill this

      requirement. In some instances we may use outside sources to confirm the information. The information you provide

      is protected by our privacy policy and federal law.

      I'm guessing that your not a Political Science or Criminal Justice major.

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      mflansburg 5 years ago from Minnesota

      @DMartelonline Just curious, But what country are you from?? Any job i have ever had REQUIRED you to show PROOF OF IDENTITY. Yes, IT IS THE LAW!

      The Immigration Reform and Control Act, 1986 - Public Law 99-603 requires all employers to verify proof of identity and employment eligibility through proper identification Any employee hired after November 6, 1986, will be required to meet the documentation requirements.

      What a sad life you must lead.

      Im just curious as to how one gets a "Level 3 Commenter" status??

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      DMartelonline 5 years ago

      and the newest update: Launch date is up to 8/1/12 and if you want $$'s then YOU have to provide photo id. Imagine if Google forced you to provide your license or passport before you get paid LOL. They are claiming US laws require them to confirm your ID. THEY LIE....

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      I've decided to use Andrew's comment on a new blog I started to illustrate how "confirmation bias" works... with an illustrated example from Dilbert.

      http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com/2012/04/cognitive-...

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      kschang 5 years ago from San Francisco, CA, USA

      I can hide them and show them when you got it fixed.

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      DMartelonline 5 years ago

      KS could you please delete the comments that have links to my site ... The site was hacked about 24 hours ago and a virus was installed into my code. The hacker was cute too left this in the code "// Silence is golden" ..grin.. I have been able to identify the IP address of the hacker as being in Nevada.