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George Zimmerman Found NOT GUILTY In The Murder Of Trayvon Martin

Updated on August 14, 2013
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Introduction

On Saturday July 13, 2013 a jury of six women, of whom five were white, found George Zimmerman Not Guilty of murdering seventeen year old Trayvon Martin.

This has been an extremely interesting case in the last few weeks, but now has become racial. Because the jurors decided that twenty nine year old George Zimmerman acted in self defense, when he shot seventeen year old Trayvon Martin. An unarmed young black man near his home.

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Evidence

Even though there has been three weeks of evidence, the prosecuting attorney as well as the defense attorney have not been able to come up with enough evidence to help the jury decide if George Zimmerman committed the crime of murder, or did not commit the crime of murder.

The jury decided, because of the "Lack of evidence" that George Zimmerman was therefore "Not Guilty"

There was some evidence, but the newspapers, as well as Television Stations reported it as "Conflicting Evidence" Perhaps some was true, perhaps some was not. Maybe people were just confused.

Many people heard screams for help, then the fire of a shot gun.

George Zimmerman told the jury, that he shot Trayvon Martin in self defense. Because a black man had been walking around his neighborhood. Since George Zimmerman was part of the block watch, he felt he needed to keep an eye on this man. George Zimmerman started to follow him. In George Zimmerman's version, Trayvon Martin attacked him, broke his nose, then pushed him to the ground, and began to pound him in the face, and the ribs. So, George Zimmerman had to shoot him, in self defense.

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Other evidence

The defense was questioning George Zimmerman, how could he allow a seventeen year old teenager to get on top of him and start pounding him in the ribs, and the face. His answer was that Trayvon Martin was able to knock him down, then pounce on him. A young man, can move very fast. Maybe Martin had special fighting skills

Others, have told the jury that it was George Zimmerman who was on top of Travyon Martin. George Zimmerman was larger then Trayvon Martin, as well as the one who was following Trayvon Martin. George Zimmerman was proud that he was one of the neighborhood's watchmen. However, the only person he ever followed was Trayvon Martin. Why was this young man the only person that Zimmerman ever followed? Was the reason that Zimmerman followed Martin, is that Martin had black skin?

Witness

One of the witnesses, Rachel Jeantel, who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin, told the jury that Martin was afraid of a "Creepy-ass cracker" who was following him. He also told her, that the man disappeared, the suddenly reappeared. What I found interesting, when I read this report, was when the report described Rachel Jeantel, the report described her as a nineteen year old Miami woman who was still in high school, and was unable to read cursive writing. What does the inability to read cursive writing have to do with this case?

Her description of Trayvon Martin was very different. He was her friend. She knew his family. He had friends, loved his family, and smiled a lot. In her eyes he was normal. Just a teenage boy.

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After being found not guilty

A protest march was started in California, just a few hours after the first news report, that George Zimmerman was found not guilty of the murder of Trayvon Martin. There have been several protests, most of them have been peaceful, but a few have had small acts of vandalism. Some people have started fire in the streets, while others have spray painted anti-police graffiti on police cars.

Roslyn M. Brock, who is the the chairman of the NAACP said, in a statement " We call immediately for the Justice department to conduct an investigation into the civil rights violations committed against Trayvon Martin."

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Summary

The fact that George Zimmerman was found not guilty has shown us that racism is alive and well in the United States. The author of this hub believes that racial profiling is very active, and many people are racist, but they hide it.

Racism is growing, I have written several hubs about racism, it is a horrible thing, and many people suffer pain from it. Our blood is read, our bones are white, and our brains are gray. Why does the color of our skin make us different? It should not.

Do you think if Zimmerman was black, and Martin were white, Zimmerman would have been found guilty?

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Sarah Christina, I'm interested in the info that was hidden. How do you know about it? Do you know someone that was involved in the coverup? The best way to deal with problems is to unpack them. As long as race is spoken of in generalizations, there will be people who present opposing evidence to support their views. However, I am all for knowing the truth about whatever and deciding for myself. 90+% of my students are Hispanic. I try to create an environment so students can say how they feel and respect the right of others to disagree. That way a discussion can occur with less chance of someone becoming offended. I make sure they all understand the difference between fact and personal belief.

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      Jeff Porter 4 years ago from Georgia

      To say "I can't be racist because I'm black" IS hypocritical, and it's also very ridiculous.

      Sadly, without qualifying that statement with further clarification "any race can have racists as members", I know that my original statement will also be viewed as a racist statement by some.

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      Sarah C Nason 4 years ago from Fresno, CA

      There was nothing paradoxical about what I said. Anyway, I'm not going to argue about it because I can't prove it. Most of the incriminating evidence against Treyvon has been removed and blocked from the public eye.

      I'm not here to argue or create division. I'm here to bring the truth to people's eyes. And the truth is the government is trying to orchestrate civil unrest. Why? Most likely in order to gain even more control over the American people, who's rights have already been systematically stripped.

      I do understand why black folks will always feel the need to defend their own kind, and that is fine. Every race feels the need to defend their "group" when they feel they are a target of racism or treated unfairly. And that's OK. But what's not OK is retaliation. I know someone who has family in L.A. and they called their mother to make sure she was OK, because she is Latina and groups of black people were attacking Latinos in her neighborhood/area. All because Zimmerman is part Chilean. I just don't understand that kind of behavior. What would MLK say, if he was alive today and saw this behavior going on?

      Racism is wrong but it goes both ways and I've met some black people that claim "I can't be racist 'cause I'm black." To me, that is just hypocritical. Now, I'm not saying all black people act this way. That's the problem with racism -- it tries to paint things like its only a particular race of people (or multiple races) are inherently "bad" and that another race of people are inherently "good." In truth, it's just human beings that are "bad" or "good." It doesn't matter what race people are, they are good people and bad people represented in every racial group. But human beings in general seem to have the nasty habit of segregating themselves into groups and making their group seem better than the other groups. We need to move beyond this pack mentality, if we ever hope to make any progress in this world.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      lol, that works for me too!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      chickens with lips! snakes with hips!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane,

      If what you said is true then this is also true,

      Rush Limbaugh is quiet, soft spoken, honest, intelligent, and a liberal.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      No, you don't. Remember when it teaches us in the book of Revelation, satan will blind us from the truth. I think that is happening now. This is just one of the things that satan is blinding us from.

      Thank you so much for your comment, you know how much I agree with them. They are very true.

      God bless you

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      Lie doesn't have color. Liers cannot be trusted . It's very dangerous to lie. Everything is going to be revealed at the judgment day, everything is already recorded. It is painfully disgusting how many people, can live with their lies, look into mirror nd live with themselves, talking to their spouses and children and relatives, and know that they lie, their lies are recorded in the news paper what they said before and isnt so, and so many " citizens" believe those lies, because those are called by politicins only " honest mistakes." Why aren't those liers exposed publicly and ordinary honest God-fearing ,hard working people unite under one Truth which can be find only in knowing what is right and being done what is right. It makes me sad that some of so called Reverends do not teach people, that liers won't make heaven nd life eternal with God and His redeemed ones. Meanwhile, eternity is pretty long time and a hell is pretty hot, and that is place where the liers will spent eternity with the satan and his servants. You might say tha this is nonsense, and that's OK with me. God the almighty, Creatoe of the universe won't change what he already said, and I don't need to proove anything , neither to defend anything; least to have discussion ...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane

      Nor, the media

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele, it sounds to me like black people cannot be trusted.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Jeff Porter I agree with you that as a nation we should unite. But, what I do not understand is, why the media is making this issue look so racist, that things are getting worse. The media is lying, and people believe what the media reports.

      I just wonder why the media is doing this. It makes no sense.

      You are correct on so many points.

      Yes, it is a very dangerous thing.

      Why is it getting worse?

      I don't know the answer to that one. I wish I did.

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      Jeff Porter 4 years ago from Georgia

      Thanks for the article. I disagree that there was racism on Zimmermans side of this issue. There is zero proof that Zimmerman used race as a factor for anything. Though, if you listen to NBC's doctored 911 tapes, where they rearranged sentences, it would so. NBC should be ashamed of what they did to stir the racial tensions into a case where none existed. The FBI investigated Zimmerman and issued an 11 page report stating that very fact. The facts were that Zimmerman broke zero laws that night. Do I think he should have made a different choice and not followed Martin? I sure do. But, he broke no crime in doing so.

      The only crime committed seems to have been Martin assaulting Zimmerman.

      And I hear people say "well, I would have done the same thing if someone were following me."

      Fine. It doesn't change that it would be a crime to do so if they did.

      I honestly hate that Martin died. It is a tragedy, for sure.

      But it wasn't about racism.

      And to see our media, and our celebrities continue to say there was, depsite no evidence to prove it, is dishonest and misleading.

      And for Oprah to say that the Trayvon case is 'the same thing' as the Emmett Till case, that helped spark the civil rights movement, is wrong. She's wrong. Anyone looking at the two cases can see that.

      But, people will hear Oprah say that, and, because she's famous, they'll simply take her word for it.

      What a dangerous thing.

      I dislike racism, and I applaud anyone who stands against it. But, find it where it exists, do not invent it to serve your agenda, which is what Sharpton and Jackson do. Do not turn your eye to racism where it does exist, but it happens to be going in a direction that doesn't serve your agenda.

      (I'm not speaking of you, the author, personally.)

      We, as a nation, need to unite. We are currently allowing ourselves to be divided by people with an agenda, and that's destructive and dangerous; and it will seet race relations back.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Read you hubs. Gave you a complement on one of the poems, but not the one about Russia. You will probably call me stupid. It has truth in it. Even the fact about Russia and nuclear material being provided to Iran, which could start WW3. You will insult me again.

      Have a great day!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Was in Texas about 4 years ago. Houston. The same as all big cities. Wrote more about Russia. My husband went to Russia for a while to help them understand more about Jesus Christ, and God.

      Do you live in Texas?

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      By the way, you never gave me any way to prove I was right. Your hubs are written to prove that everything is wrong with this country. The South Should Rise Again

      No one but you raises their children correctly.

      As for nothing concrete to use, did you not pay any attention to the statistics I put in this hub? You believe racism does not exist at all.

      That is truly amazing.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Michele, I know exactly what Russia is about. I simply used puttins analogy that we should not cater to immigrants. One must realize that immigration is NOT the same as it was 100 yrs ago. Then they came to be Americans, now they come to take from America. Most have no desire to assimulate etc. .............We now have to print everything in two languages, spanish TV, spanish radio, spanish menues.............when was the last time you came to west TEXAS???

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Why is making money so important to you? I have read some of your hubs. The one about Russia made me stop. Do you know anything about what life is like in Russia? For the people who live there, not just tourists.

      My husband spent some time in Russia, to help people. It is not a very good place to be, it is not better to live in Russia then the United States. Maybe you should live there and see what it is truly like to live in Russia.

      I will read more of your hubs.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Michele, No one is insulting you. You and diane think you have me figured out. How can you know me? Have either of you bothered to read any of my hubs? Read the one concerning the crippled boy, read the poem titled Mr. Milfred. Why not see where I am coming from before being so critical. My mother was extremely overweight, she was denied nursing school twice. She finaly lost the weight, she is now 69 years old and head over 3 MHMRs, she makes over 6 figures per year! You think we don't know what racism prejudice is?? We NEVER took a dime from anyone! We were taught it was wrong to have 10 fingers and 10 toes and impose on those already struggling to make ends meet! We were taught that our flag represents something sacred! Meaning this aint MEXICO and no damn flag of theirs has the right to fly over a public school that I am paying for! Those that suffered to build this country deserve more than those taking and abusing the system! I have nothing against any of you. I simply want to understand where your thinking was ingrained inside you and gave you every opportunity to teach me or persuade me that you were right. Instead I got silly left wing opinion articles and rude behaviour..........why? Because all either of you can do is complain, name call and pat yourselves on the back. You can't convince me your right because you have nothing concrete to use.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you Diane, as I have said before and we say it again, it is a blessing that we are sisters because of God,

      God bless you.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele, I gave you a thumbs up and said "beautiful." How someone could claim to love God and hate people is amazing? Christians are convicted by the Holy Spirit. God is using you in a most awesome way. When we are weak, in Him we are strong.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane,

      I even wrote a poem about it called " God's Path to Follow"

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Gods-Path...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane, my last comment was simply sarcasm. He probably did not understand that. I am not worked up, it has been going on for such a long time. Getting worked up is a think of the past now)

      By the way, no matter what happens, when it comes to my health, I have already given my life to God. Everyday I pray for God to lead me down the path He wants me to follow. Loving God is what really matters.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele, I think possibly he can't read. You have explained your political view, illness, referred to past articles, etc. Don't worry about it. You are going to work yourself up for no reason.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I have BSN and have been looking for a job. No one will hire a nurse with epilepsy. The cost of the medical insurance is too high. Besides they are afraid I will have a seizure while working.

      No experience in the writing field. Too many people have experience there and have gone to college for it.

      Are you going to continue to insult me, because I have a serious illness? One that can kill me? I am not lying. I have even wrote a hub about it. My head it bald and you can see the scar left from the surgery.

      What do I have to have to keep you from insulting me?

      Six months or less to live?

      By the way, can you hire me?????? hmmmmmmmm

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      I already said I have no problem with tax dollars going to help TRULY needy. 40 million on welfare? Are you serious they are all in NEED?

      My two daughters both graduated college, one has a masters, the other a bachelors, my son spent 3 years at Tech and then went into business for himself in the oil field, He has owned this business for 5 years, Last year he took home over 700k,.............no they are not perfect but they contribute and take from NO ONE!..........that is how I RAISED them! Michele, you are typical of the left, dont care how you voted, You can write all day but you cant support yourself?????????????? hmmmmmmm

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Not a liberal, vote for different presidents. Voted for Reagan. Didn't vote for Obama for a second term in office. Wrote a hub against him ( you already know about that one)

      I am sure your children are perfect, aren't they?

      By the way, who don't you hate?

      Liberals -yes

      people on disability-Yes

      people with major mediacal problems-yes

      blacks-Yes

      children of black people-yes

      hispanics- yes

      sick people-yes

      White people born in the United States who have jobs-no

      By the way, I wish the kids would pull up their pants also, and not wear the ugly gold chain around his neck.

      There is more then racism in the world, there is much more.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Typical liberal Michele, always putting words in our mouths, Reminds me how every election "Republicans want to kill granny" ARGH! No one including me ever said we don't have compassion on others and those in dire need..........back to subject, If I am racist then how do I or anyone else address any problems of other people or races? See I know if Black America (as a whole) raised their children the way we raise ours they would forget race etc. If a black man comes in our office well dressed and speaking English I don't believe race ever comes into anyones head, its never thought of, But if a black man speaking bubonics comes in with pants around his rear showing his underwear and his hat sitting sideways with a giant gold money symbol on his neck wants a job then he probably wont be qualified, nor looked at serious................so does he leave believing we are racist????????? You make think I am simply being argumentitive but I am truly truly trying to learn something here? .......something I don't understand?

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I have epilepsy, and a very bad case of it. I am on disability and have had two surgeries for it. I am on Medicaid. If I lose the ability to pay for medications, I will probably die, because when I have seizures I stop breathing. Without Medicaid ( and yes your tax dollars do pay for it) I cannot afford the medication which keeps me from having seizures. Take away the tax that keeps me from having seizures, and you will win this argument. The last time I was in the hospital, July 15th 2013, they had to help me breath.

      Medicaid will be taken away, you will pay fewer taxes, I will die, and you will will this argument.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Michele what you call Freedom I call oppression, .....................You and Express are what America is made of these days. While you stand proudly and claim victory over conservative value, we stand with tears watching the country our forefathers died for be taken over by entitlment minded and outside elements claiming "Freedom" My great uncle who died on Normandy would role over in his grave if he knew his tax dollars went to support a government run public school with a Mexican flag flying over it. I don't owe anyone anything, Health care and housing is not a privelige everyone deserves, America was built on individualism, that is how it became the greatest country on earth! You guys are destroying that...........Your thoughts and ideas are what destroyed Detroit, NY, CA, and many others...............when oh when will you learn.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you Express

      I think this is called " Freedom.

      Wonderful comment.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      You want the truth? Ok, You are racist and you rant. Here are your racist comments

      1) Black culture is horrid. Any downtrodding they suffer is at their own hands!

      2) Racism is only alive because the black community KEEPS it alive!

      3) TRavon got what he deserved, wether it be death or punishment.

      4) Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America. That my friends is NOT racism. 70% of black children born out of wedlock, blacks kill blacks daily, highest rate of drop outs, highest rate of abortions, highest rate of violence with guns, highest rate of aids per capita, highest rate of welfare, highest rate in prison per capita................are you with me???

      5) .Never do you see whites complaining about the injustice of blacks. According to fact we the whites are the ones that need to scream foul! NOT the Black communty! One half white killed a single black man?? you are outraged?? I gave you the numbers of rapes and killings black on white crime? You act as if that never happened??? The numbers alone show hate crimes, racism, and the comments by the black community. Whites are too busy WORKING to pay the welfare and food stamps of the black community to worry about the sin of slavery that happened so long ago none of us remember it...........except those blacks that keep it alive...........my ancestors were slaves too.........it's why we left for the promise land. (by the way, when you are talking about slaves, please tell me who they were, where they sold into slavery?)

      6) Michele I take great offense at your hub claiming I am racist and the thought process that America is a racist country. Therefore I am not rude in defending something so serious. ( I still think America is racist)

      7) New statistic for you came out Friday, 71% of blacks are unemployed. Only 6% of Asians are unemployed? Anyone care to explain that? Am I a racist? I have a lunch date every Monday with our HR man..........he is black and a wonderful friend. Folks, You can't fix problems until your brave enough to admit what those problems really are. Rush and FOX lie? Well not according to watch dog groups, but if that is so then where is your info coming from? The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America.

      8) I am simply saying this is why they have over 40% unemployment, why 40% of abortions in NY are from Black Mothers, why 70% of black fathers do not stay with their famlies and raise their children. .............I sincerely want some help here? So I guess your trying to tell me to suck it up and admit their troubles stem from just ME??? Because I am a racist the entire black community is suffering and being killed by half hispanics???????.....never mind Miss Rice has a horrific childhood and becomes successfull? No matter Mr. Cain ran for president and is a huge success as CEO of a major pizza company? ................what do you want from me???

      copies of my comments

      1) I don't know what GZ will feel for the rest of his life. Some places defend him, and some do not. But, if he does think about his child dying, then maybe he will understand the true pain Martin's family feels.

      2) Steve K I understand what you are saying. By the way fox news is stupid. They cover up, as much as possible. They are full crap. Kind of like stupid tabloids newspapers. Anyway, your comment is wonderful. I do wonder if any one of them would feel if they had a child that the same thing happened. What if one of them had a child who was killed by a man who followed him, by a man on foot patrol. Would they finally understand what Tryvon's parents felt?

      Some idiots keep claiming racism is gone, but is has not, in one of my hubs I wrote racism was created by satan, I believe it is true.

      3) Express10 There is so much evidence that TM was not committing a crime. He was just walking home. Unless being black is a crime. I keep reading "evidence" that goes back and forth. This makes me sad, it truly does.

      Maybe I am idiot, but I feel racism is a crime in a person's soul.

      4)Here is one racist group in America

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_neo-nazis_c

      http://kkkknights.com/about_us This is what they say

      "Our children have no chance to make it now if we don't stick together and fight for WHITE PEOPLES RIGHTS. The Blacks have the NAACP the Mexicans La Raza and the Jews have the ADL. We whites all across America have the Ku Klux Klan; fighting for a Brighter Whiter America."

      There are more hate groups in America over 1,000 here are just a few

      white nationalists, neo-Confederates, racist skinheads, and black separatists, and some specialize in producing racist music or propaganda denying the Holocaust. ( There are white groups that hate black people, but I am going to list more groups)

      5) Here is a list of hate groups in the United States of America

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations

      186 separate Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups with 52 websites

      196 neo-Nazi groups with 89 websites

      111 white nationalist groups with 190 websites

      98 white power skinhead groups with 25 websites

      39 Christian Identity groups with 37 websites

      93 neo-Confederate groups with 25 websites

      113 black separatist groups with 40 websites

      90 general hate groups (subdivided into anti-gay, Holocaust denial, racist music, radical traditionalist Catholic and others)[12][13] with 172 hate websites.[14]

      To be honest I include groups that hates white people, but groups that hate people who are not white a huge as the others. By the way do you deny the Holocaust?

      I can also list how many are in each state.

      6) The justice system is holding them back.

      http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/pdfs/fac

      I can put more of these facts into this comment. But, they give the same statistics.

      How much more data do you want? Racism is all over the place. Even though the president is 1/2 black and 1/2 white

      7)One more thing PQ

      Even though President Obama is the first black president, he has received about 30 death threats per day. That means death threats against Obama has increased by 400%, more then any other president has ever had. Not only against him, but also his family. So, racism has not gone away, just because Obama has become president.

      8) There are so many links I could give you stating the same facts in the one above.

      I do not agree with everything Obama has done, I am not a follower. I love God. The only thing I hate is racism, because I believe that racism was created by satan. I even wrote a hub about it.

      As you know when saten was cast out of heaven as were his followers, saten was given power over the earth. Racism was just one of the horrible things saten created.

      9) Patriot Quest

      " color of their skin is wrong!"

      YOU ARE RACIST!!!

      10) Sorry my mistake

      Patriot Quest,

      Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the color of their skin is wrong! At least this is a good comment.

      But, this comment is racist.

      " The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem."

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      H C Palting 4 years ago from East Coast

      That is the problem with racism...people blaming people who are different for their problems. Choosing "cultures that are detrimental against America" simply because a group chooses to fly their home country's flag? I have never taken issue with my Russian friends who fly the Russian flag on American soil...they are here on work visas and others are visiting, not Americans.

      I would not take issue with Africans, Mexicans, Brazilians, or anyone who is here and wants to fly their home country's flag because that is the thing about AMERICA, we can do as we please, AND SO CAN OTHERS. This is where human respect must come in. A majority or all people in one group being blamed as the "cultural detriment to America" is extremely biased and racist.

      As for that phone program, I remember seeing those commercials for free phones long before B. Obama became our President the first time around yet, you choose to say that this program is his...another symptom. Good day PQ.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      You don't want anything from me because the truth is painful........much easier to blame someone than look in mirror!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I don't want anything from you. To be honest, I don't want anything at all from you.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Is it really? I am simply saying this is why they have over 40% unemployment, why 40% of abortions in NY are from Black Mothers, why 70% of black fathers do not stay with their famlies and raise their children. .............I sincerely want some help here? So I guess your trying to tell me to suck it up and admit their troubles stem from just ME??? Because I am a racist the entire black community is suffering and being killed by half hispanics???????.....never mind Miss Rice has a horrific childhood and becomes successfull? No matter Mr. Cain ran for president and is a huge success as CEO of a major pizza company? ................what do you want from me???

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Wow! Thank you so much Diane, you students must have learned so much, yesterday. You are a fantastic teacher!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Expess I don't turn off comments, even when I am wrong. But, this time, I don't believe I am wrong. And this hub will not be turn off. Thank you so much for continuing to comment!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Sorry my mistake

      Patriot Quest,

      Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the color of their skin is wrong! At least this is a good comment.

      But, this comment is racist.

      " The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem."

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest

      " color of their skin is wrong!"

      YOU ARE RACIST!!!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      PQ, were they flying the American Flag also?

      Cinco de Mayo—or the fifth of May—commemorates the Mexican army's 1862 victory over France at the Battle of Puebla during the Franco-Mexican War (1861-1867). A holiday in Mexico, in the United States Cinco de Mayo has evolved into a celebration of Mexican culture and heritage, particularly in areas with large Mexican-American populations. Cinco de Mayo traditions include parades, mariachi music performances and street festivals in cities and towns across Mexico and the United States.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      continued: color of their skin is wrong! I grew up near the border, I know first hand the majority have no desire to assimulate and become Americans,.........I few years ago I drove by Permian High School (Friday night lights) during Sinco Demio and they were flying the Mexican Flag over the school!...................This is why I fight against accepting cultures that are detrimental to America! How many of you see grave stones up and down the highway in Tx and Arizona?? do you remember seeing them 20 years ago?? If you want to keep YOUR country you better start speaking out! The culture will change and you will LOSE your lifestyle! This is NOT racism, I dont care what color they are, I care about their culture that doesn't portray America.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      For the record I too believe in God and go to a house of worship on Sundays. Now you want to bring God in to play??? Over a million people on welfare, we spent a billion dollars giving Obama phones to people last year, huge percentage were minorities............my bible says if a man wont work he wont eat!!! Most of you have this politicaly correct idea that I can't call it as I see it because that would be disrespective or rude?? Racism is wrong, hating someone because of the

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Thanks up Express!

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      H C Palting 4 years ago from East Coast

      I am so glad that Michele wrote this article and DianeTrotter I am very glad that you are discussing it and the comments with your students. More discussion and understanding is needed for all of us to find more of our similarities rather than our differences.

      Michele Travis, you have written an interesting, thought provoking, and discussion provoking article. I thank you for allowing us to discuss and comment as some people might have turned the comments off on a topic like this.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Today I discussed racism with my students. Most of them don't pay attention to the news and don't know about comments sections under article. I copies and pasted several of Patriotic Quest's and we discussed in class. Most of my kids are Hispanic. I went to several sites and copied comments made about Hispanics. A Native American student commented on irony of Patriotic's name and his comments.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you Michael-Milec

      I do believe it is true that you are talking to everyone in this entire world. When reading Revelation it is very true.

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      @ Patriot Quest. Your question is OK, could be mine as well. Agree, , "thank God, there is some common sense left in the world" . Common sense , though is based on normal native intelligence ...My statement about " sowing evil" meant to be of general application, my apology for not putting it in parenthesis. Thank you.

      @ Michele: hope it has been clarified whom is being talked to : to everyone .

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      PQ

      As I told you before, I am not follow Obama. You even read the hub I wrote about him.

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Can-Obama-Still-Be-T...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest

      Yes there is so much tragedy in the world today.

      When he said " You are sowing evil, you are going to harvest the same" who was he talking to?

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Michael-Milec,

      You are correct. People have rejected God. They are more interested in money. Satan is blinding people. You have read Revelation, so you understand what I am writing about.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest,

      People have been blinded by satan, they can be racist and not even know that they are racist.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest,

      There are so many links I could give you stating the same facts in the one above.

      I do not agree with everything Obama has done, I am not a follower. I love God. The only thing I hate is racism, because I believe that racism was created by satan. I even wrote a hub about it.

      As you know when saten was cast out of heaven as were his followers, saten was given power over the earth. Racism was just one of the horrible things saten created.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Don't know where you came from Michael............but Thank GOD there is some common sense left in this world!

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      This is going better and better , how it started it was a sincere concern of the " news of the day " showing the people do know that there might have been a problem somewhere . And yes it is in the heart of every individual : look what are people being fed with? - listening to the news, believing and accepting what is far from the truth and righteousness. The people elected political " elders " who made a rule of the country, it is OK to murder babies, it is OK the kids making kids, it is OK to take money from those who work hard and give to those who refuse to work ...

      You know better than I do, the problem is where the head of the family , " father " ceased to be moral role model, where the mother can't be provider, leader, and a moral role model , because of choosing different lifestyle -- and you know what is it...

      Perhaps the greatest tragedy is in rejecting the God Creator, who is -as we are being told " not existing" while He is in control, and the principles He has established in the " orbit " are working . . . You are sowing evil, you are going to harvest the same...

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Read your article, Common sense is something missing with you people, The author failed to mention the truth. He cites more whites use drugs than blacks yet those of color end up in prison more than whties and he simply says drug related crimes. What he fails to tell you is the crime itself! More folks of color DEAL in drugs than whites that simply USE! Dealers get harsher sentencing!..........Really ? you guys couldn't figure this out???

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Maybe he gets death threats because of his ideology? You bring up racism because he is black. If he was white and getting death threats what would you say? Why not blame death threats on the lack of moral substance ? Why not blame the removal of prayer in schools and the destruction of the family unit on his increased death threats? Justice system? LOL, are you kidding me? I will go read this article,

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      One more thing PQ

      Even though President Obama is the first black president, he has received about 30 death threats per day. That means death threats against Obama has increased by 400%, more then any other president has ever had. Not only against him, but also his family. So, racism has not gone away, just because Obama has become president.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      The justice system is holding them back.

      http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/pdfs/fac...

      I can put more of these facts into this comment. But, they give the same statistics.

      How much more data do you want? Racism is all over the place. Even though the president is 1/2 black and 1/2 white

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      H C Palting 4 years ago from East Coast

      There have been no comments here that state "The black community has a chip on their shoulder that grows with talk of racism and the "man" holding them back!" A huge number of people of all races, black, mixed, white, etc., cannot stand the likes of Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson as they do whatever they call what they do, for themselves and no one else. They may have some people fooled, but no a majority. You said the black man in HR is a wonderful friend, if that's the case you would know how he feels about your statements here because they would have been shared with him in their entirety if you were such wonderful friends. All I can do is agree to disagree with you.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Said I was done, but gotta answer, What would he think? I don't know, we have had short conversations, I am more interested in HOW you guys think? This all started with me being accused of racism by a Mexican killing a black man in self defense and proved that way in a court of law! The WHOLE point is this! The black community has a chip on their shoulder that grows with talk of racism and the "man" holding them back! I am simply explaining where that CHIP actually comes from and it's NOT racism! If it was then explain how a black man made it to become president of the U.S.?? There is NOTHING holding them back but themselves! Yes there are good hard working blacks, just like there are scum white trash whites! I believe their own culture keeps many of them down and it is too easy for them to sympathize with Sharpton and cry the blues.......no pun intended.

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      H C Palting 4 years ago from East Coast

      I beg to differ with PQ as their statistics appear to simply be made up. They have pointed out (incorrect) statistics and haven't provided credible sources and the lunch date with "a wonderful friend" sounds bogus as well. I also wonder what the "friend" would think if they saw these comments here. As for the breakdown of families, that's ongoing and apparently on the increase through all races and ethnicities.

      Issues withing smaller communities do affect the larger communities as well. Denying this only gives the problems time to spread/worsen. The problem with people such as PQ is that they want to put an entire group of people down for the actions of some or hold them to a different or higher standard than one for themselves...classic symptoms. I'm just saying...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest

      What your friend think if he heard you say this?

      "The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America."

      Just wondering

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      My last comment on this subject, So if my stats are wrong and bogus then what is the problem? Is this where all of you breath a sigh of relief and unanimously scream RACISM?? New statistic for you came out Friday, 71% of blacks are unemployed. Only 6% of Asians are unemployed? Anyone care to explain that? Am I a racist? I have a lunch date every Monday with our HR man..........he is black and a wonderful friend. Folks, You can't fix problems until your brave enough to admit what those problems really are. Rush and FOX lie? Well not according to watch dog groups, but if that is so then where is your info coming from? The breakdown of the family in the black community is their SOLE problem. Until this is addressed by spiritual leaders and others there is NO hope for Black America.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you Diane

      I agree with you again!

      Have a great weekend too!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      You are welcome Michele! I really think the Republican Party needs to identify nuts and distance themselves. Have a great weekend everyone!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane, Steve K, old albion , the list could go on and on. There have been so many wonderful people who know so much. Thank you to all of them.

      Yes, there have also been people on television who are political opportunist

      Rush Limbaugh, is so idiotic, that even commercials have dropping from his show. That is pretty amazing.

      There is even a group on facebook, called the "Flush Rush" group" They write emails to companies that have commercials on the Rush show and tell them, they will no longer buy their products if they continue to advertise on the Rush Limbaugh show. I am part of that group. I have written to several companies, each one has emailed me back and told me they no longer advertise on that show.

      Thank you Steve you do rock!

      Diane you are fantastic, but you already know what I think about you:)

      God bless you!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Steve K. You are a breath of fresh air.

      Patrick - 4 straight years all boys accepted into college from all boys school: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/urban-pre...

      In 1972 I was the first college graduate among my dad and his brothers' and sisters' kids. I have a BBA and an MBA. I passed the CPA exam. I am credentialed to teach music and business. Since I graduated, we have doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers, administrators, etc.

      Thanks again Steve K. You rock!

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      Steve K. 4 years ago

      Patriot Quest,

      You’re defending yourself being called a racist but you have some serious issues. I have no idea how you can sit there as a presumably sane person and boldly say something as idiotic as “racism is dead” and then say “black culture is horrid” in the same sentence and actually think you are reasonable. Everything you’re saying IS racism. In fact you may be the worst kind of racist, the racist fueled by a plethora of fake statistics, duped by the version of blacks the media shows you, who doesn’t choose to believe he’s racist.

      And when you say “black culture” what do you mean? Do you know any black people? I do. Those I know are professional people and colleagues and I like them very much. My son also has some black friends over my house all the time and they’re very nice boys. It’d be a shame for any one of them to hear someone like you ranting off your nonsense.

      The probable with you is that you don’t have any reference point for black people other than what you see and hear from your “trustable” media sources. You just squeeze them all into some “group” as if every black person is the same and in the same situation. Yet no one brings cameras to the trailer parks of America or the millions of white welfare recipients and calls it “white culture”.

      You also keep complaining about black people dragging race into things, while YOU keep dragging race into things. You keep talking about this New Black Panthers which is practically non-existent. I looked them up and there is big and relevant as a high school chess club. Former members of the old Black Panther Party insist there is no New BPP and there’s is no affiliation. Fox News is the only news station to ever mention them. And they did that because that’s what they do.

      And so what if Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are on the news saying things? Spinning it around, Rush Limbaugh is constantly making an ass of himself publically, making many minorities angry but he doesn’t speak me. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just political opportunists. They’re not in charge of all black people with one unified opinion. And when you say what people don’t complain are you serious? White people complain all the time. What do you call Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Bill O’Reilly and the gang? You only see what you want to see and it’s a pathetic.

      Patriot Quest, I’ll tell you like I’d tell any junkie who needs serious help: You are frying you brain. Fox News is bad for you and you need to really get off the stuff as soon as you can.

      And thanks for the compliments before express10, dianetrotter, and Michele

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Our comments speak for us.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Michele I take great offense at your hub claiming I am racist and the thought process that America is a racist country. Therefore I am not rude in defending something so serious.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Michele, No I am not racist, At least I do not believe myself to be racist. Your note is why I believe we can't fix anything in America. I am rude??? For what? telling the truth?? Nothing I said can be argued with fact? No one sees white leaders on TV screaming racist comments? But we see Sharpton and Jackson on TV nightly screaming foul, We see Reverend Wright and Farrikan,..........Never do you see whites complaining about the injustice of blacks. According to fact we the whites are the ones that need to scream foul! NOT the Black communty! One half white killed a single black man?? you are outraged?? I gave you the numbers of rapes and killings black on white crime? You act as if that never happened??? The numbers alone show hate crimes, racism, and the comments by the black community. Whites are too busy WORKING to pay the welfare and food stamps of the black community to worry about the sin of slavery that happened so long ago none of us remember it...........except those blacks that keep it alive...........my ancestors were slaves too.........it's why we left for the promise land.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest

      please forgive me for this, but when it come to comments, you are the one who sits on the pedestal. You are the one who is rude to others.

      1)TRavon got what he deserved, wether it be death or punishment.

      2) Racism is dead, Folks like you keep it stirred up. You are not being truthful, look around you daily! What signs from whites do you see of racism? NONE! Black culture is horrid.

      3) Black culture is horrid. Any downtrodding they suffer is at their own hands!

      4) My research shows racial crimes come from other races NOT whites!

      Now my question is are you racist? From all the information you have put in you comments, I am beginning to wonder.

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      dianetrotter, I googled it, multiple up to date stats on birth rates, Never in the history of the world has there been a culture with an abondonment of their children by fathers as there is in the black community of America. Dianetrotter, you know exactly what is going on and you are trying to goad me into a Sharpton type debate that you cannot win.

      Michele, same for you, If they SAY they have disdain you want to point a finger and yell foul! Sorry doesn't work that way, over 3000 white woman raped by blacks last year............so do you pick up male black hithchikers? Why do you pretend to sit on a pedestal???

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Patriot Quest who are the Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America? Did they tell you they have a disdain for black culture in America? Just wondering.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Patriot, What is black culture in America? Asking because I want to know. There are FBI statistics that might interest you; http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-...

      That doesn't support what you say. Even Where did you get the statistic that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock?

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      Wayne Joel Bushong 4 years ago from America

      Does anyone here ever ask the question is it racism or culture difference??? Hard working educated people of all colors have a disdain for black culture in America. That my friends is NOT racism. 70% of black children born out of wedlock, blacks kill blacks daily, highest rate of drop outs, highest rate of abortions, highest rate of violence with guns, highest rate of aids per capita, highest rate of welfare, highest rate in prison per capita................are you with me???

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you for your comment Graham

      I wish I had the answer, it would be great if people had the answer, but we will probably never find it.

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      Graham Lee 4 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Michele. Things are similar over here in the uk. Racism should not exist but unfortunately it does. I do not have the answer to it. With age one seems to see and recognises inequality all around in so many ways.

      voted up and following.

      Graham.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      My biologic father was a professor at Miami university in Oxford, Ohio, Ohio. One of the teachers was racist. I kept getting a " C" in all of the paper in his class. My father kept asking why was I getting a " C" I told my father the professor was racist. So one day my father wrote one of my assignments. My father wrote one of my assignments. My father, who was a professor, wrote one of my assignments. He got a " C" also. How can a professor get a "C"? After that it was ok that I got a " C" in that class. We never told anyone that my father wrote the paper.

      He died a long time ago, but racism is racism, strange isn't it. It is all over, no matter if you are rich, poor, intelligent or not. It still exists. That, to me is very sad.

      To brain, to walk in one man shoes, would make another understand what other people have to understand what racism really is.

      Brian, what you wrote is fantastic.

      Thank you very much

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      brian 4 years ago

      I think all cops and security guards should paint their skin black. If zimmerman was black he would not have to watch his back.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      From law professor Frederick Leatherman's Blog

      Summary

      1. SYG statutes require more than a subjective belief by the killer that death or grievous bodily harm is imminent and the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent it from happening .

      2. The additional requirement that people are ignoring is that the belief must be reasonable. In other words, would a reasonable person in the same situation perceive the same danger and respond the same way.

      3. The reasonableness requirement is supposed to prevent a paranoid or otherwise delusional person, such as a racist, from getting away with murder.

      4. The problem in Florida and many other parts of the country, particularly in the South, is that too many white people think it’s reasonable to believe that all young black males are dangerous thugs or thug wannabees looking for an opportunity to become thugs.

      Conclusion

      Statutes abolishing the duty to retreat before resorting to the use of deadly force in self-defense or defense of another person, are being used by racists to legitimize the murders of young black males.

      Since these statutes are being used to justify and, in effect, license and encourage race-based murders of young black males, they violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment.

      Therefore, the SYG statutes are unconstitutional as applied and must be stricken.

      http://frederickleatherman.com/2013/07/30/syg-stat...

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      You guys are welcome. Michele, I'm going to go to your mind control article in a little while.

      The irony about Sarah Christina is that she certainly understand the problem from her first paragraph; however, the second paragraph is the ultimate paradox.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you for letting us see those tattoos Diane.

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      H C Palting 4 years ago from East Coast

      I am in the exact same boat with you Dianne on Sarah Christina's comment and I am in total agreement with yours.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Trayvon's tattoo of his mother's name

      http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      I actually wrote a hub about how a government could control the masses. The best way, at this time is using the TV.

      https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Mind-Cont...

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane, you are right. People don't want to admit what happened because they do not want to face the truth. They would rather deny it. Trayvon did have the right to walk down the street, but you have been doing so much research you know more then what the mainstream media has been reporting.

      You know the truth.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Sarah, you are right about both of those things.

      Racism is alive and well, and the media only reports what the media is told to report. It didn't used to be that way, but it is now. That is why people need to look for the truth in other places. If people only watch TV they will never find out the truth.

      What is a better way to control the masses then TV? none that I can think of.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Sarah I hold hardly agree with your first paragraph. I got lost on the 2nd paragraph.

      1. What are gang clothes - a hoodie

      If that is the case, 90% of the kids I teach wear gang clothes. Also the school provides gang clothing - hoodies for sports, social clubs, and school spirit.

      2. Tattoos - Did you know he had 2 tattoos: 1) His mother's name - Sabrina and 2) a memory of his deceased grandmother.

      3. Cellphone records verify that he as on the phone with Rachel Jeantel. He was not looking in houses. No one testified to him looking in houses. Several testified that Trayvon was on top.

      If a stranger were following you (basically like you mentioned people looking at you suspiciously in stores BUT) on a dark street with no one around, would you feel like your life was in danger? Especially if you ask "Why are you following me?"

      We all have a responsibility to know and deal with the truth. Not all white people are racist. The ones that are racists can be dangerous (Aryan Nation, KKK, etc.).

      People don't want to admit what happened because they don't want to face the truth. I have followed the case for a year with bloggers on frederickleatherman.com and done a lot of research. Trayvon was not in gang attire and his tattoos were not gang tattoos. He had a right to walk done the street just like you did when you were made to feel uncomfortable.

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      Sarah C Nason 4 years ago from Fresno, CA

      Patriot Quest, you are an idiot. Racism is still alive and well, I grew up in mostly white area and experienced ignorance all the time. Violence, no. But racism, yes. Or are you trying to say that racism is only when there is a violent action behind it? Because words hurt. Suspicious stares as you walk through a store, hurt. The problem with a lot of racism from white culture is that it is very subtle, but IT IS THERE. So, all the points you are making are moot, even if they were true, which they are not. The privileged group (that would be Caucasians) have a hard time acknowledging racism because they are the privileged group. Since they are the ones rarely getting persecuted, they don't see why other races have a problem. Maybe, because you aren't those races and therefore don't experience what they go through in their daily lives. Until you've walked in another man's shoes, you can't judge him.

      For everyone who is defending Trayvon Martin: As for TM, there were several witnesses that saw him jump Zimmerman. He was also found with drugs in his system. Did he deserve to die? Probably not, but when you are on the street defending yourself how are you to know what the persons intentions are? It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with "this dude in gang clothes and tattoos looks suspicious and I'm going to defend my life." TM was not just "minding his own business." Several witnesses attested to this, but like I said...the media has left those things out and are purposefully creating racial tensions. Do not be led and fooled. A country divided cannot stand, and the government is counting on that. We have become like sheep being led by the nose, don't let yourself be manipulated. Research non mainstream news sources and alternative news sources, multiple ones, before making any judgements. This goes with all info, not just about this case. Our media is government controlled and they are told what to report on and what not to report on. It's not a free press like people think, not anymore. Keep that in mind and maybe...just maybe...you might find something like the truth.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane, I can imagine all of us meeting in heaven. How wonderful life in heaven is going to be! You keep being a witness for the Lord also!

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele my dad died January 26, 1982 and my mom died January 20, 2010. As my father passed away, he continually told us to be strong. My mother, with Alzheimers, became my child. I wanted to be with her as she passed away but the Lord knew best. Can you imagine us all meeting in heaven. Keep being a witness for the Lord!

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane you are right about that. We do know Christ, and we do love each other as he commanded. We are sisters, because we are God's children. I can't remember how young I was when my father ( my biological one:) taught me that. I loved him very much. He died almost 2 months before 9/11 My mother died 2 years before he died.

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele, I don't think some people are reading your article but just taking the opportunity to tell how they really feel.

      There has been nothing to show that Trayvon's parents were not good parents. Some want to blame the victim. You and I know Christ and we do love each other as He commanded.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Thank you Michael-Milec. I know there is so much lying out there, but there is also a lot of truth. When it comes to politics, well more people need to pay attention to what politicians are doing. More people need to force politicians to listen to the people. We can do that by paying attention to what the politicians are doing Then we can vote them out of office. The biggest problem now, is that not enough people vote. We have more power then people know. We just need to vote.

      But, you are right. We do have to raise our children in dignity, honesty, and high morality.

      And I did not mean for this hub to become place where people are arguing. But, I will not say racism does not exist. Because it does.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Diane it really horrifies me when people deny the Holocaust. That is just how I feel. It just is.

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      Hi Michele.

      It's not isolated case where a hub article turns to be a source of unpredictable trouble and complexity problem. Which isn't bad. Most of the time there are two antagonistically facing each other groups, which isn't bad. Where are we getting informations from formulating our opinions?!

      Most of them coming from unreliable sources competing for larger number of ratings . How do you know who's right or who is wrong ?! There is lying factor undetected by majority of listeners/ viewers /readers, - and than " we become experts " depending on one side or the others, unnecessaryly pointing fingers, calling names , while mere dialogs of ours are missing basic ingredience of what is truth. Dear- fellow honest citizens , those whose goal is to divide and benefit from people's opposing each others, do not care of outcome unless they get their greed and evil intentions achieved . Let me use an illustration of present ongoing situation scene regarding Detroit. What is being said about, is fabricated politically manufactured " smorgasbord ". Have you been in Detroit early seventies when downtown Hudson's has been forst to close due to increasing stealing ? Have you been there when a block away from my home a Preast has been killed in parish'soffice while protecting the church's finances box? Have you been there when a mayor of the city has been building his fame on misusing his position, cheating his wife, depriving his children of rolemodel 's upbringing while living a life of infidelity and having church praying for his innosemce? Recently I drove through the are we used to walk visiting friends, going to places . . . and I had to shortcut my touring due to the fact of driving through a dangerous neighborhood . No, no one have to answer any of thes questions. Detroit was my first destination point to this , once beautuful, prosperous city. No media in th whole world have to try to sell their information to me what's going on ; i havevto protect my sanity by refusing to accept any untruthful evil news. See , it's just that : these two " political" party " good" or " evil" pretending their legality under different religious identity are successfully persuading masses " it's Bushe's fault ."...

      What my expectation would be ?... Let parents raise their children in dignity, honesty sand high morality . Let voters recall every elected official who has been caught lying once, because ho did it once . who knows when is saying truth next time?! . . . Enough. I have to stop here. May every person be willing to think for himself before ... ( I can't say " I love you" because love isn't mere words ; love is omething tangible; mostly for now it's my concern...

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      G. Diane Nelson Trotter 4 years ago from Fontana

      Michele, About 40 years ago I worked with a guy who said the Holocaust did not happen. He was Hispanic and married a German woman. Most recently, I have worked with a woman of German descent. She also said it never happened. Ironically both had lots to disparaging things to say about non-German ethnic groups. Germans should not feel guilty any more than white people should feel guilty about slavery. They were not there. It is insulting for them to dismiss it and say it never happened.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Here is a list of hate groups in the United States of America

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations...

      186 separate Ku Klux Klan (KKK) groups with 52 websites

      196 neo-Nazi groups with 89 websites

      111 white nationalist groups with 190 websites

      98 white power skinhead groups with 25 websites

      39 Christian Identity groups with 37 websites

      93 neo-Confederate groups with 25 websites

      113 black separatist groups with 40 websites

      90 general hate groups (subdivided into anti-gay, Holocaust denial, racist music, radical traditionalist Catholic and others)[12][13] with 172 hate websites.[14]

      To be honest I include groups that hates white people, but groups that hate people who are not white a huge as the others. By the way do you deny the Holocaust?

      I can also list how many are in each state.

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      Michele Travis 4 years ago from U.S.A. Ohio

      Give me the links of percentages of hate crimes against white compared to hate crimes against Hispanics and Black people. Also, lists of hate groups. There are over 1,000 hate groups.