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A Tribute to Liberal Arrogance in the 2016 Presidential Election

Updated on December 9, 2016
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A constitutional conservative, taking on the Left with common sense, armed with truth, critical thought, and the principles of the Founders.

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I think that we can all agree this election season was one hell of a roller coaster ride. There were many highs and lows for both candidates, despite the defiantly biased media's failed attempts to exclusively paint Donald Trump in a negative light (but that's an entirely different story). Although millions of Americans saw through the feckless charade, there were those that toed party lines and leftist talking points. Although not limited to my liberal associates, as some RINO enthusiasts have been boisterous arguers, the inevitable clash of opinions arose and often unwarranted hostilities towards my viewpoints followed (don't worry, I can effortlessly defend my stance against any liberal). Fueled by a multitude of misinformation, the pompous attitudes were at near palpable levels as Hillary appeared destined to be crowned.

Certainly not limited to the election, as liberalism itself seems to evoke a undeserving smugness, my intuition during this rather ugly presidential slug-fest was to keep a calm head, make my case, recognize a lost cause where pertinent, and record the more intriguing comments. Now with Trump ready to take up residence in the White House come January, I am delighted to have been granted such foresight.

With the election over (finally!), I can't say the aftermath of a Clinton loss is completely surprising, or the double standards being displayed by my left-leaning acquaintances. There's simply no denying this process of president picking brought out the absolute worst in people on both sides of the political spectrum (mass Facebook unfriending anyone?). However, my experience with leftists (family, friends, associates, etc) was downright ridiculous, childish, inappropriate, unreasonable, and frankly only reaffirming of the saying, "those that preach tolerance are often the most intolerant."

I was called “privileged” (ridiculous for someone that has honestly worked for everything they have), "racist" by a family member, and “delusional” for my conservative views and the long standing prediction of a Trump victory. Not to mention, liberals bombarded my personal social media posts and comments with a slew of questionable (at best) statements and tantrums (even after keeping gloating to an absolute minimum).

But that's why we are all here, right? For your utter enjoyment, I have wrangle up three favorites, complete with my commentary of course. Note, all of these quotes are in their original, raw, unaltered form and in no way reflect my spelling or grimmer skills. Don’t worry they are all anonymous, as to not upset or embarrass any that are already having to cope with the reality of a Trump Presidency. So let's dive right into the arrogance:

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“The rest of the world is laughing at us with this election… We’re such an embarrassing joke.”

I'd be half inclined to agree with this statement, if referencing the Obama Administration's universal failures, with virtually everything that has been touched during the past eight years, or even the most scandal-ridden candidate to ever run for President of the United States. But this was not the case. Crediting numerous establishment media talking points and repeating a slew of misinformation about then Republican nominee Donald Trump, this particular individual provided such a misguided analysis with the usual intellectual self-glorification.

Yeah, sure, the rest of the world is "laughing at us," while it burns and Obama has us debating bathroom use. But Donald Trump as the Republican nominee is just too much. Can you say short-sided and low info voter... Although I would invite anyone that views American exceptionalism as such an "embarrassing joke" (person isn't even a natural citizen) to find a better country to live in, we all saw how the celebrity promised mass exodus turned out...

Apparently Newsweek was expecting her to "win big" too.
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"The idea [Trump winning] comes from fox and that's all they talk about. They hope she not going win. But she is going to win and big.”

Let me start by saying that Fox News was never mentioned anywhere in this conversation prior to its introduction here, but what can I say, it's a liberal "go-to."

Speaking of, I guess they did not watch Fox News during this election season (can't say that I blame them as of late), for Trump had very few allies on the "fair and balanced" network. But that's neither here nor there. I'll break down the rest of the quote instead of going off on a tirade about Fox New's steady degeneration and race against CNN to the bottom.

Besides their initial assertion that a majority of the Fox News team was hoping for a Hillary loss (even individuals like Megyn Kelly? But I digress...), it's the final part that has lost none of its laughable luster with Clinton's embarrassing upset. "Win big" indeed... Maybe they should have spent a little less time listening to their channel of choice, MSNBC, and expanded their perception beyond the liberal bubble. Needless to say, even with my restraints on relishing Clinton's loss (completely absent of the other party for the past eight years), they haven't spoken to me since election night.

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"I'm probably more informed on a world wide scale than you so don't tell me I'm not in check with reality… You’re out of your mind if you think a republican has a chance of winning any future election."

Someone doesn’t know their history and that this country's elections tend to cycle, especially after such an extreme swing. Hillary Clinton was a weak candidate and stuck in the unfortunate position of defending Obama's unpopular failing policies (shout out to Obamacare), but also at a statistical disadvantage historically as well. After nearly a decade of a radically left White House, the American people voted as the norm (although some exceptions like Reagan) with a two term President and tossed control back to the other party.

Now with that said, I think it's hysterical when Democrats try to run with this notion that the country has shifted so far left that no Republican could ever win again. I would agree had Hillary won and engineered the voter landscape with open boarders. This fictitious proclamation was yet another piece of the narrative that was proven untrue with Hillary's political downfall, and rightfully so. I do love this quote though for demonstrating what happens when a leftist claims to be a historian. The egotism of ideology often gets the best of fact, causing events of past to be rewritten or disregarded in blissful ignorance, to fit their distorted outlook of the world. Name calling and identity politics tends to be their weapon of choice when confronted with reality and historical events. After all, this is the same person who once claimed that not a single terrorist attack occurred under Obama's watch, so I'll let you be the judge.

Be sure to check back for another entry in this retrospective. I'm thinking something along the lines of RINO supporters and Never Trumpers that preferred to witness the United States descend into a third-world country under a Hillary Clinton Presidency. All at our expense and just so they could spit in the face of voters with an, "I told you so," for taking a chance on Donald Trump.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      I promise to take a look when presented with a moment to sit down and take it all in

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      Liberals can come up with any excuse when they bend the rules.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Wild Bill: I know that, but I'm not promoting it. He said he was looking forward to reading it when it was published and I'm giving him the opportunity to do that.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      People power

      Self promotion is against TOS.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      Paula

      Be sure and tell Randy and the gang that I visit often and do a little house cleaning in the comments section for him. Free of charge! Lol

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      And I thought Republicans were supposed to be the party of NO.

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/growing-list-house-dems...

      They can't even let the guy get inaugurated and start his job before dumping on him. How closed minded can you get.

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      Paula 10 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Mike....what do you mean whether it's true or not? Obviously it was printed...We can see it and read it. As for the numbers, statistics and percentages....that's all a matter of documented record, Mike. That site is obviously where my FBI agent friend found the article.....I don't believe he's have sent it to me if he wasn't quite sure it was accurate....I don't think he'd have sent it to be "funny"....he's not the type to joke around like that. Dave Weinbaum is a pretty straight shooter... I guess I'll have to contact him and ask him what he believes on that.

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      Yves 10 months ago

      RutRow!

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Paula: Here is the source for what you posted about Hillary being elected as the president of California. I could not verify whether it was true or not.

      http://www.daveweinbaum.com/single-post/2017/01/10...

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      Paula 10 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Well.....If you don't mind Yves, we can be a tag team because I'm burnt out. I'm taking a sabbatical from Politics of any sort. You go ahead and jump in when you're ready! LOL

      The reality is that it's all futile anyway. Hillaryites are loyal to the death and have an uncanny knack for denial.

      I won't defend Trump simply because none of us really know how he's going to do. Will he and his cabinet be good for us? Will they do wonderful things for the American people? Can we look forward to realizing what he promised?

      I don't know this. It's great he's not a worn out, corrupt politician, but then we just don't know yet how he'll do as one.

      I'm on record in the first place, admitting that my vote was strictly against Hillary as opposed to FOR anyone. So basically, I'm not as happy that DT won as I am Ecstatic that she lost~~and further (Hopefully) she is too old, too sick and worn out to ever run for another office other than local Dog Catcher.....OH no, never mind she hates dogs. My God, I was just reminded of my Dad always saying, "Never trust a person who doesn't love a dog!" Wow!

      BTW...thanks for the kudos, but I did not write that. I RECEIVED it in email from my friend!! I'd like to claim it, but I'm an honest person!....Peace Girlfriend, Paula

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      Yves 10 months ago

      Paula...Awesome comment, with plenty of meat. Loved it. Lately, I've been on the sidelines, going Ra Ra Ra...for the teams I like, and that's about it. You've inspired me to get more research done. A perfect explanation of Hillary's loss!

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      Exactly! Because no one in their right mind believes they were doing good deeds.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      I read they're laying off staffers and planning to shut down. Funny that the great "charity" foundation looks to be closing its doors with Hillary's loss. How so very telling. Guess they have nothing to offer now that they can't sell influence & power....

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      Donations to Clinton Global Initiative have drastically decreased since she lost the election which makes perfect sense; why would people pay if they can't play?

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Wild Bill, how bout it....

      fpherj48 - nice observation and thoroughly explained comment. I dig the substance and clarifications of the reality the establishment media is attempting to warp. This has been lacking in nearly all of the reiterated left-leaning talking points on here from our liberal friends...

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      Paula 10 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      Trump won the popular vote in 31 states 2 her 19 and DC. 62% to her 38%.

      Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California.

      Hillary won California 5,860,714 to Trump’s 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1%, exclusive of the other candidates.

      Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats & their media stooges.

      But deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783, & deduct Trump’s California vote from his national total, leaving him w/ 57,113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%.

      So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country, by a substantial margin.

      This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, 2 prevent the votes of any 1 populace state from overriding the votes of the others.

      Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, whose expertise is polling, saw this early on & devised her strategy of “6 pathways to the White House”. This meant ignoring California w/ its huge Democrat majority & going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.

      At its lowest point since the civil war! Could this mean the end of the Democrat Party?

      When the afternoon of January 20, 2017 arrives, the Republican Party will have:

      1) The Presidency.

      2) A majority of the House of Representatives.

      3) A majority of the Senate.

      4) Almost two-thirds of all the governors.

      5) Total control of the statehouses in almost two-thirds of all the states.

      6) And in the near future, Republicans will be able to add a majority of the Supreme Court.

      The above has never happened before in American history.

      Think about this & let it sink in for a moment.

      And it's all because of 1 reason:

      Barack Obama forcing his extreme far-left agenda on an unwilling country by executive orders, left wing judges, & obsequious bureaucrats.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      How is typing 9 instead of 2 a typo? The two keys are no where near each other. ;-)

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Nice back peddling, but you misquoted me, putting " "s around and claiming word I never said. You can see it just two comments up. Ironically the pice of commentary you were referencing was referring to a liberal's quote as they tried to rewrite history, much as you're doing now... I thought it was common knowledge that it's a grammatical no-no to quote something incorrectly, especially for someone such as yourself that actually does and has labeled others as "dumb" in this very comment section.

      Blissful ignorance does not equate dumb and you know it - leaving you either grasping at straws to explain why you misquoted me, or not as smart as you would like to believe.

      Blissful ignorance in the context I used it in clearly means those that remain happily uniformed or desiring to ignore the truth. Paint it anyway you want, you're wrong.

      Funny how identifying your clear condescension towards anyone that disagrees with you triggers such a tantruming response. Even after all your failed efforts, it does still give me a good laugh to see what was drummed up to counter.

      Americans have woken up and are tired of the sick liberal social experiment; you're going to have to get used to some political pushback if you want to stay and play politics with the adults...

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: What you said in your hub about liberals: "The egotism of ideology often gets the best of fact, causing events of past to be rewritten or disregarded in blissful ignorance, to fit their distorted outlook of the world."

      Blissful ignorance - dumb.

      I said many times that she won the popular vote by over 2 million votes. It must make you feel better to keep bringing up the 9 million as a typo. I'm not arrogant. That's your opinion. I'm not digging a hole, but you sure are. Just because Trump won does not make my ideologies warped, but it sure puts your arrogance on display.

      Your hub and comments still reek of arrogance, no matter how much you insult me. There is no way around it. Trump is already screwing up by taking on the intelligence community. I suppose you think that is wonderful. He has asked for a repeal and replacement of Obama Care immediately and he and the GOP don't have a clue as to how they are going to do it...another wonderful thing that you can gloat over.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      So you have to misquote me to and lie to make your point? How embarrassing, small, and lacking of substance as expected. I would love for you to show where I used the phrase "dumb liberal elitist," or are you so desperate that you'll exaggerate again, like when Hillary "won by 9 million..."? I have never used that phrase in any of my hubs.

      You are the one that used the word "dumb," (far below my vocabulary) along with "fat" to describe Trump supporters. Remember Mr Hypocrite? Your arrogance is a testament to this hub and reflective of the elitists losers that lost this election for the dems.

      BTW, my hubs are obviously doing their jobs, generating traffic, and garnered a response from you, Mr Condescending West Coaster (digging yourself in a more embarrassingly deeper hole with every comment). I guess after 8 years of having everyone push your narrative, challenge to your views is upsetting... perhaps defending such warped ideologies is a little harder than expected.

      I know these aren't liberal talking points, they're your futile attempts to provide substance to a discussion... Look forward to seeing what you put together with your "research..."

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Your entire hub, including the title is a put down of liberals, Obama, and Hillary while at the same time elevating yourself above the "dumb liberal elitist." Even the photos convey that message. Your narrative is one of asking for a fight from liberals, because "don't worry you can handle yourself against dumb liberal elitist." You obviously are seeking revenge to redeem your real feelings of inferiority and when you are criticized, you attack to hide your feelings of inferiority, just like Trump does. Trump actually feels inferior and if you criticize him he will counter-punch you with 10 times the force that you used in order to protect himself and show the people what a tough guy he is, so that people will fear him and won't criticize him. He suffers from NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). No these are not liberal talking points. I'm doing the research to write a hub, "in my narrow-minded view of the world."

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      I mention west coast elitists because you so perfectly and egotistically personify them. Calling all the people that voted for Trump "dumb," implying that your way of thinking is somehow superior and we are all beneath you.

      For someone that believes themselves so superiorly intelligent, you are predictably dull to a fault. Shameless identity politics and an extreme lack of critical thinking or the ability to articulate any type of rational argument to support your views.

      I actually pity you for going through life with such a narrow-minded view of the world... just kind of sad...

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP and Wild Bill: I can't help it if you have to overcome your inferior feelings about yourselves by insulting others. You must feel very inferior and that is why you voted for Trump because his messages resonate with people who feel inferior about themselves. That is the only reason you keep mentioning the west coast elitist, so that you can now elevate yourselves above others so that you will feel good...very sad indeed. By the way, Trump does the same thing by insulting and attacking people that criticize him. He has taught you well. Oh, and these are not liberal talking points. They are my points only.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      People Power,

      What Randy Godwin is saying that the majority of the country is dumb and Trump getting elected President proved that, but in reality the majority actually voted for Hillary. So your disagreement should be with him not me. Maybe you should go to that Hub where the Liberals will welcome you with open arms and you all can have a good cry together. Austinstar is actually going to move down to South America. Maybe she can refer a good real estate agent for you.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "That means that 57% of the smart people don't like him" (Who you? The embodiment of leftist arrogance...)

      I feel like I wrote this article for you peoplepower... Maybe I should formally dedicate it to you. I think if you step down off that over glorified soapbox and stop indulging on the personal high you get from stroking that monstrous ego, you could join us in reality.

      So pretty much anyone not living in the "educated" coastal regions or California was "dumb enough to vote for him?" Some serious disconnect once again being delivered from you...

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Trump's popularity right now is at 43%. That means that 57% of the smart people don't like him. Only those that were dumb enough to vote for him like him. That's why he only holds rallies in those states where the electoral college swung the vote.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      In the comments of the Hub "The P.O.'s Last Gasp", Randy Godwin said: "No one ever claimed the US was occupied by more smart people than dumb and this last election proved that to be true."

      Someone needs to tell that idiot that he is right. Hillary did win the popular vote so this country is occupied by more dumb people than smart!

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      These are the same ppl that said there were WMDs in Iraq and who liberals were just blaming for handing the election to Trump via the FBI. Funny how the hypocrites change their tunes when it meets their narrative.

      I want the proof and think we should all demand more accountability from these politicized government offices, regardless of what agency it is. What evidence do they have? Anyone can make accusations. If Russia actually did something to influence the election, let's see it... No voting machine was hacked, etc.

      Ppl need to heed Biden's advice. "It's done..."

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      So U.S. Intel says that they know for sure that Putin helped Trump get elected?

      "We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him," it said.

      I don't know how someone can discredit another by using the 'victims' own words. So did intel look into who leaked the Trump Billy Bush tape? Maybe China?

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Wild Bill, you're gonna upset peoplepower. He can't handle the realities that such atrocities exist on the left... It's just impossible....

      Things will get worse around inauguration as more dissapointed Dems continue to lose their minds.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      It's highly unlikely you can "hack" voting booths here in the US from Russia anyways. Every report I've seen before the election dealt with a nearby hacker that would have to make contact with the machine. Not to mention there's still a large number of counties in my state alone that use paper ballots (that's some pretty impressive hacking...). Liberals have yet to produce a shred of evidence to suggest otherwise, but continue to spread this talking point and redirect their failures (remember who all loses by being wrong - establishment media, president, elitists, politicians, clintons, rinos, etc).

      "I also don't think the murder of the DNC staffer was a random act of violence." - Um, yeah, how bout it... Good old Clinton "hunting accident." My guess is he was the leak...

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      Yes, the media has been misleading with regards to Russian hacking. They say matter of fact that this was hacking the 'election', but in reality, if it were done by the Russians, it is an email hack. It is their 'opinion' that this changed the results of the election, but there is no way to prove when regarding peoples' emotions. Very misleading. If leaking information is considered trying to sway an election, then what about the hot mike with Billy Bush? That had a way bigger impact than the emails.

      What no one is denying (not even liberals) is that all of the nasty stuff on the emails were said by those accused. Hillary and the DNC said/did all of these things. It is not ironic that

      I also don't think the murder of the DNC staffer was a random act of violence.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "Hillary won the popular vote because of two things. California and New York."

      Sound point and just proof that Hillary failed by arrogance to target necessary swing states. But I'd like to add that Trump won the electoral vote, despite the reported fraud, especially in areas like Philly and Detroit. Let's subtract all those fraudulently cast ballots (like the election station that was shut down in a Philly precinct b/c votes were already cast for Hillary prior to opening, as reported by liberal local news), or all the illegals that were reported to be participating in early voting across the south and shocker... peoplepower's extremely corrupt leftist state of California.

      Hilarious how he's among the same people that claim Russia "hacked" the election, so....

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      peoplepower said: "Wild Bill: You don't even know that the southern democrats were called Dixiecrats during LBJ's time."

      Yes I do know that. That was 50 years ago so let's try to stay on target: why are the Democrats so out of touch?

      PP said: "As soon as he passed the civil rights act, those Democrats jumped ship and became the white southern Republicans and that is how all of this division in this country started."

      So that is when the division in this country started? Really? That is almost as bad as your comment about the need for Gun Control in Chicago. The fact is that you are 77 years old and you don't know anything about this country. You are just another uninformed Liberal which shows why the Democrats are so disconnected.

      PP said: "(Why did Mitch McConnell, the head of the senate say it is our job to make Obama a one term president?)"

      I don't know of either political party that welcomes a president from the other side with open arms. It is his job to gain confidence of those against him and get the job done. Obama could not do that because he has no leadership skills.

      What I don't understand is why are liberals trying to intimidate Americans and Electorals into not allowing Trump to be sworn in as President. The people have voted, but Liberals do not respect the democratic process. This is unprecedented.

      PP said: "(Why did Hillary win the popular vote by over 9 million people? Is it because the liberal youths didn't vote for her?)"

      MTP already caught you trying to sneak in 9 million, so I will let a dead horse lay! lol

      Hillary won the popular vote because of two things. California and New York. In those two states alone, she won the popular vote by 7 million +. They went overwhelmingly Democrat. Without those two states she would have lost by a large margin. That is the beauty of the Electoral College.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "I give you facts and you discount them. I was wrong about Hillary, it is 2.9 million. You twist my words into things I did not say." - You're the one that added another 6 million with a ridiculous over-exageration and then say we twist your words.... Get real Mr. Victim.

      "You are living in a bubble" - rich from the west coaster that says Chicago has such gun violence b/c gun laws aren't strict enough (pure insanity as they have the strictest gun laws in the country).

      Liberals aren't evil (well not all, can't say so about the false prophet Obama), but as you've proven through all your rantings, belittling, condescending lecturing, and ravings on here, that they are incredibly (if not dangerously) misinformed, to the point that they cannot deal with reality rationally and have to twist/bend it to explain away anything that defeats the leftist narrative. Thank you for repeatedly reinforcing and showing incredible value in this very piece that you're commenting on!

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      You guys are an exercise in futility. I give you facts and you discount them. I was wrong about Hillary, it is 2.9 million. You twist my words into things I did not say. You discount Obama's accomplishments. You don't believe the gravity of Trumps tweets. You say i'm a racists when I'm not. You are living in a bubble that will burst, maybe not right away, but it will in time. I'm through. You won with all your sarcasm, slander, and hypocrisy, and down right nastiness to not be able to even carry on an intelligent discussion. You say i'm looking for someone to blame, but by the same token your are not only blaming liberals but you have to group all liberals into some type of evil force. Good bye.. Hopefully, some day you will see the world for what it really is,but I seriously doubt it.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "Btw, way to blame the white man! Lol. Liberals always have to find someone/something to blame for their shortcomings."

      Wild Bill, funny you caught that too.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "Why did Hillary win the popular vote by over 9 million people? Is it because the liberal youths didn't vote for her?"

      won by "9 million people" huh? Once again, maybe you should get your facts strait before keyboard warrioring it up.... Try using facts and reality, as opposed to "feelings" next time chief.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "I don't hate the country" - could've fooled me since you think such a large portion is racist and ignorant.

      "It is about how the electoral college in this country counted slaves as 5/9 of a person" - this is relevant to whatever kind of argument you were trying to make, how? So because it once counted slaves this way, the electoral college should be disbanded? This nation has got beyond slavery and racism, maybe you should try to.

      Without the electoral college, you and other ideologues from several cities would determine the outcome of the election for the entire country and ram your desires for an oppressive government down our throats. How is that justifiable? My Lord, the Founders were ingenious (I know, you probably think they're racists...)

      "It's is lack of gun control that is causing the killings in Chicago" - That is one of the misinformed, bat crazy things you've said. They have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Again, I invite you to educate yourself, before spouting off leftist nonsense and continue to make a fool out of yourself.

      "lived in south when it was segregated in the 50's and 60's" - so therefore all of their decedents are racists? BTW, I'm not that old, but seem to have a far better grasp of history and see your ideology has repeatedly bankrupted, failed, and caused mass death worldwide. But in regards to your segregation comments, why do you live in a past that no longer exists? Why are democrats obsessed with race to the point of being racists themselves??

      " I challenge you what did they give him that he wanted?...NOTHING" - Nice try at a dodge, but you have FAILED to support your original argument at all, so I pose that question to you once more. They did not challenge him in budget showdowns, Obama Care, executive overreaches that they could have deprived funding for (need I keep going...?).

      I say west coast liberal, b/c you are clearly one. Everything you say, how you tantrum, ramble, use talking points, and your high-on-yourself demeanor all exemplifies it.

      Your grouping of me and fellow commentators are mostly assumptions or mere repeated talking points on topics and things that were not even mentioned.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Wild Bill: You don't even know that the southern democrats were called Dixiecrats during LBJ's time. As soon as he passed the civil rights act, those Democrats jumped ship and became the white southern Republicans and that is how all of this division in this country started. They are still in office in the federal government and the state government, and many of them are still prejudice. They plotted to get Obama out of office as soon as he took his oath. They couldn't stand having a black (half black man) with his black family in the white house.

      "It is the job of every president to convince congress to do things. Obama is the only one who had a problem doing that his entire term. Why? Because he has no leadership skills. He never had any experience leading and it showed. This is his legacy."

      (Why did Mitch McConnell, the head of the senate say it is our job to make Obama a one term president?)

      "Btw, way to blame the white man! Lol. Liberals always have to find someone/something to blame for their shortcomings. This is why you lost the election. That and the fact that you can't get liberal youths out to vote despite indoctrinating them."

      (Why did Hillary win the popular vote by over 9 million people? Is it because the liberal youths didn't vote for her?)

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP:

      "peoplepower. Your comments on this show you to be nothing more than a disconnected west coast liberal." (Your resentful opinion).

      "If you hate this country and its established ways of doing things, why live here? (I don't hate this country." (You are putting words in my mouth.)

      "Your assertions on slavery show your complete ignorance for history, as it's truly a horrible part of our history, but news flash, the entire world's as well (name a single country that didn't have slaves... oh that's right you can't) (It's not about other countries having slaves." (It is about how the electoral college in this country counted slaves as 5/9 of a person)

      The electoral college goes back to the roots of this country so take up your tantrum with the Founders (you know there'd be absolutely no crying on your part if Trump had won the pop and Hillary the electoral). (If Hillary would have won, there would be no end to your whining.)

      "How's that gun control working out in Chicago? Again, join us in reality before shooting off your mouth about the 2nd amendment and educate yourself." (It's is lack of gun control that is causing the killings in Chicago)

      "If you think all Republican Congressmen are racists and conspired to block everything Obama did, you're as delusional as you are foolishly misinformed." (I didn't say all republican congressmen are racists, you did and I lived in south when it was segregated in the 50's and 60's. I was in the Air Force defending this country...What did you do?)

      "While we're on the subject, what exactly did they block the wannabe dictator from getting?! I challenge you to give me one single thing that Congress blocked him from getting." ( I challenge you what did they give him that he wanted?...NOTHING)

      "Perhaps you should stop assuming and grouping people together like the intolerant, uninformed leftist you have proven to be." (Yes just like you grouping all liberals and especially California West Coast liberals all together. It smacks of prejudice to me)

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      It is the job of every president to convince congress to do things. Obama is the only one who had a problem doing that his entire term. Why? Because he has no leadership skills. He never had any experience leading and it showed. This is his legacy.

      Btw, way to blame the white man! Lol. Liberals always have to find someone/something to blame for their shortcomings. This is why you lost the election. That and the fact that you can't get liberal youths out to vote despite indoctrinating them.

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      Silence Dogood 10 months ago

      This is unbelievably absurd. This piece was written over two weeks ago, and it's still not being let go by the same lone liberal. The article was spot on with its intent to highlight the hypocrisy of the left. It does so in a clear concise way that uses the actual evidence given to us by the faces of the left themselves. There's no disputing it. However, one person seems to take exception, because of one common trait found among so many that argue, yell, and belittle others. One trait that causes other to believe or defend the most outrageous positions. A trait that forces someone to ignore any sound thinking. That trait is the absolute hatred of the truth. Nothing in the article is fabricated, but yet one liberal treats it as if it were, because it flies in the face of his worldview. The irony is, this is one of the reasons why we still have the Electoral College. The country can't rely on one people group to throw away logic, reasoning, and common sense, and instead use baseless feelings to guide their thinking. This is why Hillary had a lead in the popular vote. Californians don't critically think. It's all about how they're told they should feel by liberal media outlets and celebrities. We don't need two states dictating what the other forty eight should be doing. The fact that a liberal who can't let anything go and is ignoring facts, is the best evidence anyone could want to prove the point MTP is making on the topic.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      peoplepower. Your comments on this show you to be nothing more than a disconnected west coast liberal. If you hate this country and its established ways of doing things, why live here? If it is such an embodiment of evil, why do you choose to be a part of it?

      Your assertions on slavery show your complete ignorance for history, as it's truly a horrible part of our history, but news flash, the entire world's as well (name a single country that didn't have slaves... oh that's right you can't). The electoral college goes back to the roots of this country so take up your tantrum with the Founders (you know there'd be absolutely no crying on your part if Trump had won the pop and Hillary the electoral).

      How's that gun control working out in Chicago? Again, join us in reality before shooting off your mouth about the 2nd amendment and educate yourself.

      If you think all Republican Congressmen are racists and conspired to block everything Obama did, you're as delusional as you are foolishly misinformed. Try visiting the south before blanket labeling them as racist. While we're on the subject, what exactly did they block the wannabe dictator from getting?! I challenge you to give me one single thing that Congress blocked him from getting. Those spineless liars gave the crybaby everything he wanted the entire 2 terms.

      Funny, all those executive "accomplishments" will soon be undone.

      Who even brought up Benghazi. Perhaps you should stop assuming and grouping people together like the intolerant, uninformed leftist you have proven to be.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: Here is your logic: Hillary won the popular vote by 9 million votes. Trump won the electoral college votes. Therefore, for the last eight years, all liberals are elite and arrogant and Hillary is a criminal. And while she was running for president, all liberals displayed elitist, blatant arrogance. And now you are looking down your resentful nose at all those elitist and blatantly arrogant, good for nothing liberals who have ruined your country for the last eight years.

      Only in this country is there such a thing as an electoral college that is a vestige of colonial America where the fastest way to get information was by a man on a horse with a piece of paper that had the votes on it. Only in America was a slave counted as 9/5 of a person. Only in America do we still have this antiquated system where the runner up becomes the president.

      Only in this country is there such a thing as the 2nd amendment that is a vestige of colonial times when the people had to protect themselves from a British invasion. Only in America do we still have this antiquated system that was intended for people using muskets.

      As soon as Obama took office, the southern white GOP congress plotted to block Obama's every move. While Obama was running for his second term, Mitch McConnell said, it is the GOP's mission to make him a one term president. What laws did the GOP congress pass during those eight years?...NONE. But they tried to stop his every move. In spite of them, he accomplished more than you think. Here is a list of his top 50 accomplishments. I'm sure you won't believe them, because they are true facts. As far as Hillary goes, what great catastrophic event did her emails create? Four people were killed in Benghazi and it is proven that is was not her fault. Get over it.

      http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2...

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      The title reflects the blatant arrogance that was displayed by liberals such as yourself for the entire past eight years, which came to a fever pitch this election, when you thought that you were crowning the queen of corruption and were disappointingly rejected across the country, with the exception of liberal cities and California (shocker...).

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      No just because I don't buy into your brainwashed B.S, I'm automatically below you. I don't see myself above anybody. Look at the title of this hub: "“A Tribute to Liberal Arrogance in the 2016 Presidential Election”. What is so tolerant about that. You are just asking for a fight, by calling liberals arrogant. You insult me in every way you can and then when I call you out on it, Oh, it's just a poor liberal getting his feelings hurt. Oh he is spouting liberal talking points. Oh liberals don't have brains. Oh it's a liberal fantasy. Oh that's the liberal go to technique, Oh now he is a hypocrite, just like all those other liberals.. Just look in the mirror and see who really is all those things..

      It's not called "free thinking." It's deligitimizing the truth. Who is discounting who here? Do you or don't you believe Trumps tweets? That's what this boils down to? But you are too busy putting me down to even recognize the importance of what he is saying, while the rest of the world does. Don't tell me when it comes straight from the horses mouth that it is fake and not important enough to be newsworthy. I am an adult. I'm 78 years old and have more wisdom in my little finger then you will probably have in your whole lifetime. I'm not the child here, but I know who is living in a fantasy and it isn't me.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Peoplepower: "You have been brainwashed by Trump, and conservative radio and TV to delegitimize the real news"

      So b/c we disagree with your radical, liberal talking points, and don't think that the world will end under Trump (pretty funny after eight years of a complete moron running this country, with incompetent ideologues comprising his bloated corrupt administration), we are brainwashed and only listed to fake news. No it's called freethinking. Climb down off that self righteous monument to yourself that you've erected, readjust in reality with the adults, and get a clue.

      I'm all for seeing other people's views, but have never seen such a politically blind fool in my entire life (quite an accomplishment). Just because we don't buy into your leftist fantasy land kumbaya liberal utopia nonsense, we are automatically beneath you... And here I thought that you were supposed to be from the party of tolerance.

      I pity someone who has such a limited, callous outlook on those with differing opinions.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Wild Bill, the newest bit of liberal mantra to come out is they're rewriting history for Obama and saying Republicans obstructed everything (guess they're all racist..).No, but seriously, name one thing the tantrum thrower didn't get his way on... In fact I challenge anyone to name one thing Republicans prevented the wannabe dictator from getting.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      I feel sorry for you people. You have been brainwashed by Trump, and conservative radio and TV to delegitimize the real news. That is what happened in Nazi Germany and it could happen here as well. It is a very dangerous situation when people are taught not to recognize the real news, but to mock it. That is exactly what Hitler did. He shut down the news media and took it over as a propaganda machine. And you people are the pawns that are being exploited.

      Have fun as we are in the process of turning into a third world country. You don't even believe the power of Trump's tweets or when I link you to them, you just discredit them. You don't ever realize, you are discrediting Trump when you do that. How much more hypocritical can you be?

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Can't offer a coherent arguments, so he resorts to conspiracy and playing victim. Not really all that surprised (it's a liberal go to)

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      PP

      He is using us to get to you??? Oh my! You might need to see a shrink about that one. Paranoia is nothing to play with.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "I know what you are trying to do. But it is not going to work on me. You are trying to provoke me to slip up and say something that will get me banned from hub pages."

      Although you may truly be that vain and narcissistic, rest assured that I have better things to do with my time (sure I speak for the other commentators you were just lashing out at, and are now trying to use in your perpetuation of victimization) than conspire on how to get a loud mouthed leftist banned from a website. As far as slipping up, your lack of consistency has only given me a laugh and demonstrated your inability to provide real substance.

      For the record, my other hub account is still very much open, reviewing movies and providing media incite, but wanted to separate political analysis from entertainment. Are you merely lashing out b/c you cannot handle opposing views or is it strictly insecurity?

      Done embarrassing yourself yet? Guess not... "He is just using you to get to me. But that dog don't hunt no more." How much of an egomaniac are you? No one is forcing you to make a fool of yourself on here. It does explain like you like Obama and Clinton so much, I guess...

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: I know what you are trying to do. But it is not going to work on me. You are trying to provoke me to slip up and say something that will get me banned from hub pages. I'm not like you. That's what happened to you. That's why you have been on hub pages for five years and only have four followers. You are even trying to incite Wild Bill and Savvy Dating. Be careful you people. He is a sick person and gets his jolly's by doing this. He is just using you to get to me. But that dog don't hunt no more.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Wild Bill, identity politics and name calling is all leftists like peoplepower have. He can offer distorted "facts," simplistic talking points, and delusions that bend to his warped view on reality, but nothing more. Critical thought, rational analysis, and deductive reasoning have been all but absent thus far. But God bless him, if he's not a glutton for a political shellacking.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "You people are so brainwashed with right wing propaganda that you don't even know or care about the real news..."

      So by lecturing us and labeling us as brainwashed, is all you really have to bring to the table? You have not on here or on other comment sections offered anything other than your condescending opinions and personal biased opinion of what you determine to be a valid source (pretty embarrassing that anyone still thinks NY Times is a valid source... Kind of shows the out of touch nature of the elitist party you associate with).

      You keep being a good little liberal lap dog and live in disillusion with the other leftists. The rest of us are tired of the Democrats failed policies and radical ideologies that we've suffered for eight long years. You stay in that liberal fantasy land... The rest of us reside in reality, where Dems got slaughtered at the polls at literally every level (we know, it was Russia and Trump, not their pathetic excuse for policy...).

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      PP

      I am not sure how I changed my tune. Maybe you are so brainwashed by your liberal media that you use blanket prejudices for all conservatives. We have been labeled all kinds o things, but the fact remains that we are all individuals who think for ourselves unlike the Liberals who take their politics from Hollywood actors. Too bad you can't get your nose out of the Times and MSNBC to see that.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      You people are so brainwashed with right wing propaganda that you don't even know or care about the real news. You say Trumps tweets are not newsworthy. Well I have news for you. The tweet on nuclear arms race scared the hell out the leaders of the free world.

      His tweets have an effect on world politics. You wouldn't know that though because you are too busy defending your self by insulting others and not really paying attention to what is gong on in the real world. That is exactly the kind of person that Trump is cultivating. Keep up the good work and don't pay attention, because one day it will hit you right in your collective a**es.

      You have a good hysterical laugh and stay in denial while the rest of the world changes around you and you won't even know what hit you.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Savvydating, uh oh, you're using facts like bailouts against him. He's gotta deflect and change the subject....

      "Savydating: No yellow journalism here, just pure unadulterated facts." Did you laugh as hard as I did when you read this Savvydating? Using that while defending biased opinion publications like Huffington Post & NY Times... They do love living in their ideological echo chamber of falsities, where ppl like peoplepower eat up the spin and regurgitate...

      Wild Bill: "People power gets slammed everywhere he goes. I think he is a mental midget who is a glutton for punishment." Simply hysterical!

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      "Your response to this tells me volumes about how you and others like you really think and are in complete denial of reality."

      Hilarious that the west coast California liberal (the only state where Democrats still won a majority), is going to lecture conservatives on "reality," and then Mr. tolerance goes on to use phrases like"others like you."

      Do I have to point out the hypocrisy and lack of critical thought yet again, from the liberal on his pedestal.

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      Yves 10 months ago

      First off, The New York Times does not print facts, PP. What part of "Obama owns them" don't you understand. Secondly, the "response" to Trump's tweets prove nothing particularly intetesting or newsworthy, as usual.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Boy, did you change your tune! I went straight to the Twitter in Chiefs' site, because I'm tired of people saying what I posted is not real because it comes from news outlets, that they don't trust. Hopefully, this way they can see for themselves. Also, they can read all of his tweets on his site and how other tweeter respond to him.

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      Wild Bill 10 months ago

      You act like links about Trump are supposed to put me in my place, but I am not a big fan of his. I, like many, like Hillary even less. At least we don't have to hack into his accounts for transparency like they did with Hillary. She practices what she preaches; politicians must wear two faces.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      These links are to Trump's Twitter pages. They are straight from the horses a**. If you deny these then you are denying what Trump actually tweeted.

      Savydating: No yellow journalism here, just pure unadulterated facts.

      Wild Bill: As far as my brain goes, I at least have the intelligence to not insult you, but I just consider the source. If you are a mental powerhouse, see if you can figure out how I did these links.

      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/8119772...

      https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/8119285...

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      Yves 10 months ago

      Peoplepower, I take it you are not familiar with the term "yellow journalism" or with the fact that Obama bailed out The New York Times, the Huffington Post and other similar "publications." Your answer proves one thing----that you believe the New York Times, blindly and without discretion. How disappointing. This is where critical thinking may help you to understand fact from fallacy. But obviously, you're not there yet. Perhaps accepting the truth is not in the cards for you. Yet, I can only hope that one day, your blinders will be removed.

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Savvydating: It's now what I believe, it's in the news.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/22/world/middleeast...

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      Yves 10 months ago

      peoplepower...the UN, Israel and Obama. What is it that you believe, others should know?

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      Mike Russo 10 months ago from Placentia California

      Do you even read Trump's tweets? It comes from Trump's mouth. How can that be fake? Your response to this tells me volumes about how you and others like you really think and are in complete denial of reality.

      Do you even stay current with the real news? You would have to live under a rock to think this is fake. I'll bet you don't even know about the UN, Israel, Trump and Obama.

      Come to think of it, you could be right, it could be Trump that is faking it, given he changes his mind faster than a speeding bullet. Tomorrow, he will deny that he even tweeted that.

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      My Two Pennies 10 months ago from United States

      Arms Race = Fake News

      Don't worry, just like all the other falsities the left wing media spreads to uniformed individuals like yourself, there will be zero accountability or repercussions for lying to the public. You can just let it get brushed under the rug like the rest of the Trump stories once it runs its course...

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: Did you even read the links I provided. I don't think so or you wouldn't be making the comments that the arms race is just my opinion.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Merry Christmas to you too!

      "reliable news sources" - Yeah okay peoplepower. Everyone you list was either in the tank for Hillary this entire election, all but endorsing her or has shown their blatant leftist bias / agendas.

      "When you are in denial..." - you still can't accept your candidate was laughably unpopular and scandal ridden, blaming Russia for stealing the election from her. She lost with the white working class in typically blue state strongholds. Kaine has even admitted they should've spent more time there, instead of arrogantly hiding from the press and providing no vision for the future - only name calling and identity politics of why not to vote for her opponent. I doubt even you could say otherwise.

      "They come from reliable sources that you and others cannot accept for the reasons I stated above." - while you provide what ifs with Trump and try to somehow cling onto the notion that Trump and Putin can collude to steal an election together, but want to start a new arms race against each other. So, friendly competition then? Still waiting on that explanation.

      Did ever occur to you that maybe you're viewpoint is flawed and not everyone else's?

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      What good is it for me to do research when you people discredit snopes which cites all of it's sources? So you don't believe Reuters about Trump and the arms race. You don't believe the Guardian about Trump's cabinet. And you think George Soros was a NAZI. I'm going to post this from snopes about Soros being a NAZI. Please look down at the bottom of the page for citing their sources. You don't trust my sources and I don't trust your sources.

      I'm not going to waste my time on you as to the real reason Hillary lost the election. You wouldn't believe it anyway. You don't even believe up to the minute reliable news sources.

      I do know this. When you are in denial, if you accept things you don't believe in, your whole agenda comes crashing down like a house of cards. Here is the snopes article about Soros being a NAZI. I'm sure, you are not going to believe it. But I have done my part to help you see the truth, but it is an exercise in futility with people who have been brainwashed. Again, you and people like you can't handle the truth. What I have given you are not left wing talking points and they are not my opinion. They come from reliable sources that you and others cannot accept for the reasons I stated above. Merry Christmas.

      http://www.snopes.com/george-soros-ss-nazi-germany...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Me: "we can all rest assured that he will predictably discredit your links as "propaganda" or "illegitimate" and dodge your assertions on Soros, who is an unacceptable inconvenient truth to the left."

      Peoplepower: "I'm not going to defend myself against a bunch of brainwashed right wing propagandist" (likely b/c you have failed to even remotely do so as of yet...)

      Need I say more? The man insults anyone who disagrees with him and then plays victim, "now you are all attacking me."

      Then goes on to cite left-wing talking points about Trump and an arms race with Russia, while simultaneously insisting Trump colluded with Putin to steal the election... Liberal logic fail anyone? So they're chummy enough to steal an election together and pull off one of the greatest political dupes of all time, but also enemies? Then again, this is the same hypocrite that would be telling us to accept the results of the electoral college and damn be the popular vote if it were flipped and Hillary won.

      "That is not democracy." - you're right (yeah, I know, but recognition where it's due). Maybe you should educate yourself on our country's system, which is a representative republic. Understanding the process might help you cope with the election's outcome and your raging hatred for Trump...

      I'm almost disappointed that someone that claims to be so informed, intelligent, and thinks so highly of himself, can offer so little substance. Although your strategy of talking down to us, quoting talking points, using radical sources, then crying victim seems about what I've come to expect from a west coast liberal. Maybe it's reality check time. I suggest starting with why Hillary lost...

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      O.K. So now you are all attacking me. I'm not going to defend myself against a bunch of brainwashed right wing propagandist. Just know this. Hillary won the election by 2.9 million votes. That is the majority vote. Trump won the electoral college that is in the minority vote. The minority is now controlling the majority. That is not democracy. This is the biggest unbalance of electoral college votes in the history of this country. If Hillary would have won the electoral college votes, Trump would say the election was rigged. Why, because that was the seed he planted to make her win look illegitimate in your eyes. You have no idea what a snake this man is.

      Here are trumps appointees so far. I'm sure you are going to say the Guardian made all this up. You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you right in the face. This is not draining the swamp.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/09/do...

      Here is some news this morning about Trump and the arms race. You can ignore it if you want.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nuclea...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Silence Dogood:

      "That's the problem with fake left wing news though, spread misinformation and never retract when it's proven wrong."

      Much like the numerous phony liberal hate hoaxes as of late. No one can deny that if something similar was perpetrated by a conservative, they'd be blasted and smeared. But liberals literally just brush it off when it's a fellow leftist as, "well it could happen, so let's learn from it."

      Individuals like peoplepower fail to grasp that this is why Dems lost at all levels this election (except in liberal echo chambers like his state - You'd almost pity him...). The bulk of America is not only tired of the moronic policies that his side peddles, but also the ridiculous double standards they implore.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      readmikenow, my informed fellow patriot:

      "Media Matters is a shell corporation of George Soros who was a Nazi during World War II. Do you know anything about George Soros?"

      Come on Mike, Liberals don't know history (otherwise how can they promote a failed ideology that has led to the mass genocide of millions worldwide?) and what little they cite is bent to meet their warped outlook on reality.

      Don't worry, we can all rest assured that he will predictably discredit your links as "propaganda" or "illegitimate" and dodge your assertions on Soros, who is an unacceptable inconvenient truth to the left.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Peoplepower never ceases to amaze me with his contradictory statements and hypocrisy. Just because he reads it, the outlet is recognized as credible, if not, it's "fake news" or "propaganda."

      Just keep repeating what the talking heads tell you to, and be a good little left coast liberal lap dog. "Stay uniformed friends"

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      Silence Dogood 11 months ago

      After reading the yahoo article that was posted, I can say that it didn't provide much of an argument that the swamp wasn't being drained, as it were. In fact, it mentioned many people who weren't establishment types and aren't carareer politions. When the phrase about draining the swamp is used, that's precisely what it being talked about. Career polititions that have done a political favor or lobbyists that are owed a favor find a spot of influence. Many of the people that are being appointed aren't those types. With that in mind, yes, the swamp is slowly being drained.

      I also find it troubling that anyone would consider snopes to be an actual news source that could taken seriously. It's borderline satire at best. In addition to this, breitbart has not only been credible, but has been the only news outlet to a accurately predict this election cycle. That includes brexit. The video that was mentioned wasn't somehow faked. It was 100% true, and after left wing liberals cried foul, it was released in it entirety. For someone that's supposed to be so up on the news, you would expect that to be known. That's the problem with fake left wing news though, spread misinformation and never retract when it's proven wrong.

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      Readmikenow 11 months ago

      Peoplepower73 You can't site the ultra left VOX and Media Matters and believe you have viable new sources. Media Matters is a shell corporation of George Soros who was a Nazi during World War II. Do you know anything about George Soros? He's a very bad man. Brietbart had nothing to do with recording the videos concerning Planned Parenthood. THAT video footage was obtained by an organization known as"The Center For Medical Progress." If you want to watch the entire uncut video here's a link. I couldn't finish watching them myself. It's a bit disturbing.

      http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/invest...

      "FYI...Congress has recently completed their investigation and recommended that Planned Parenthood officials be put on trial for selling baby parts. This is a fact. Some abortion clinics are selling fully intact human babies.

      http://www.lifenews.com/2016/12/22/congressional-p...

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      It is not me who is making those assertions. It is coming from Trump's tweets. Either you believe Trump or you don't. What is the source for all of your claims? Without a credible source, your claims are nothing more than hearsay and propaganda. I give you my sources. What are yours? You want us to secede from the nation. Look who is throwing a tantrum now. It's not a matter of Trump being too much to handle. It is a matter of seeing him for who and what he really is and staying at least one step ahead of him. Local PA news does not tell me what your news source was.

      Never mind your source, I just found this on Breitbart News, which is a totally fake news outlet run by Steve Bannon who is now on Trumps staff and used to work for the Drudge Report, and Alt Right another right wing propaganda machine. This is how misinformation is propagated when you just grab news that agrees with your agenda without checking out the sources and put it out there as real news. Steve Bannon is just trying to discredit Snopes, just like Brietbart faked a video interview with planned parenthood selling body parts. It's all fake and they should be thrown in jail.

      http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/12/22/snopes-ce...

      http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/08/18/how-br...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Snopes is out BTW, as their CEO was just accused of embezzling company money to pay for prostitutes, so I think it's safe to say your media source's lack of integrity clearly compromises its ability to provide honest news. Over $98k to be exact....

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      You make no sense. So Trump conspired with Putin, but now wants to start a new Cold War with him? That's what every single news source you reference is asserting.

      You completely ignored the fact that I said that I live in PA and local news on election night was reporting voter fraud yet again this election, by guess who, the Dems. Stuffing ballots, one machine having votes cast for Hillary before the polls even opened, etc. Not to mention Philly had 110% turnout for Obama (basic math dictates this is impossible)

      Your state and its downright disgraceful lack of integrity was sending illegal immigrant voter cards and encouraging them to violate the law by signing up and casting ballots when they're not legal citizens of this country, in addition to the wannabe dictator telling them in a live speech to vote (you'll disagree, but how is it any different than pointing to Trump's remarks on encouraging Russia reading Hillary's emails).

      So yes, lots of voter fraud and your part of the state is overwhelmingly the largest culprits. You guys are welcome to make good on your tantrum-riddled threat to secede if realities of a Trump Presidency are just too much to handle...

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: I don't listen to CNN that much. I listen to Scott Pelly on CBS who is non-partisan and Fareed Zakaria's GPS Sunday Morning. He is the chief editor for Time Magazine, who has many heads of states and foreign dignitaries on as guests and panels. He is also non-partisan I read Reuters and MSN. com online and do a lot research and analysis on my own. What are your sources? I have asked you this many times and have yet to hear an answer.

      It really concerns me that you people don't keep up with the current news. Trump is no one's friend. He is a master at confusion and dividing and conquering. He learned this in military school. How do I know? I read his book called the Art of the Deal. He used it in the primary on the republican candidates, on Hillary and Bernie and on the GOP. I don't have anything both ways, but Trump does to keep you confused.

      Today, he just reprimanded Newt Gingrich for saying that Draining the Swap was a joke. Now he is saying that draining the swamp does not mean anti-establishment. It means bringing back jobs...go figure. Am I going to have to keep you guys current with the real news? I can see why it is difficult for you to keep up because Trump changes his mind so often, but that is just one of his techniques he uses to manipulate people and things.

      So here is my nonsense for today. You can find it on many more news outlets if you just look, instead spending your time attacking others. I suppose, you didn't believe FactCheck and Snopes about the illegal votes and ballet stuffing either?

      Here is the nonsense about Trump and Putin and the nuclear race.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-nuclea...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      peoplepower, man you're just a sucker for talking points aren't you? Regurgitating that lame left wing garbage like a good little CNN liberal, as the media fear mongering reaches new levels of absurdity with threats of a new cold war.

      I thought Putin and Trump were friends? You can't have it both ways, even with your normal hypocrisy and double standards. Please explain your nonsense for the rest of us...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Politifact has proven its bias and is unacceptable (like you complaining about me using Fox News...) and because Snopes says false, I am to suspend all disbelief?

      Get a clue. I live in Pennsylvania and voter fraud in Philly is very real. It was reported heavily the day following the election, with the election commission be called in on more than one occasion. The Detroit bit was announced when they wrapped the recounts (pay attention).

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: Here is what FactCheck says about illegal voters. Here is what Snopes says about democrats stuffing the ballot box.

      http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/20...

      http://www.snopes.com/voter-fraud-in-2016-primary/

      That's why I asked about your sources. You are always quick to insult me and to tell me I don't read and comprehend, but it is you who believes this B.S. without doing the research and analysis and that is exactly what Trump and the right wing are counting on. You may choose to believe or not. It's up to you, but again, I'm trying to help you. Trump now is in a race with Putin for nuclear weapons. I'm sure you haven't heard that yet and think I'm just making it up. Why is he setting policy without being in office? Or is he just BS ing and going to change it tomorrow with his tweeter?

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      Silence Dogood: It is so much in the news right now. I thought everybody was aware of it. But if you want sources. Here is just one that is very current, as of today as a matter of fact. You can google as many as you want today, because I'm sure tomorrow it will change. That is just Trump's way.

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/drain-swamp-just-anothe...

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      Silence Dogood 11 months ago

      I find it odd that someone calls for sources and citations of the claims of voting patterns, but then provides no sources when making a claim that our future president is filling the swamp. More double standards, but this is something to expect from the left.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Did I once say all 2.8 million were illegal or fraudulent? Yet again, you fail to read with comprehension and see only what your narrow minded lens allows. There were numerous reports, even in early voting of illegals casting ballots and the Detroit bit accompanied the results of recounts.

      As far as "he's filling the swamp..." - It's refreshing to see adults back at the helm after eight years of irrational left-wing ideologues like John Kerry and corrupt racists like Loretta Lynch in positions of power. We've lacked leadership for two terms, by spineless Republicans in Congress and the wannabe dictator that is Obama.

      You're spinning your wheels here in repetition and are giving opinions with hopeful assertions of a Trump failure (honestly kinda desperate looking at this point...). I agree with you in that we'll see. Saying it and wishing it, does not make the future now. Look at successful the fools in the establishment media were with their predictions this election, and you were probably right there egotistically repeating the fallacies they were selling you.

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      Sure at least 2.8 million people voted fraudulently and illegally. What is your source for your information?

      I'm trying to help you, but you don't see that. I'm afraid, you and people like you are in for a huge, bigley, beautiful disappointment. I hope I'm wrong, but he is already backtracking on his "drain the swamp." First he said he is going to drain it. Then he said he was just joking and now he says he is going to drain it but at a later time. It really doesn't matter what he says, his actions speak louder than his words. He is filling the swamp, not draining it, but filling it with billionaire establishment people. What is your source for Obama economic recovery failing and weakening on the world stage? It's not a what if game, the swamp is being filled right before your very eyes Unlike you, I'm not giving you opinions, but what is happening in real time.

      As far as what if games go, the conservatives are masters at it: What if the tyrannical Obama attacks us? We better arm up. What if he is born in Africa, we need to impeach him. What if he never attended college, he is a fraud?, and now you even say the economy is not growing when it really is. Here is the proof.

      http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/full...

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Do you realize the amount of voter fraud that has been uncovered the last two elections alone, between illegal immigrants (yes illegal as in not eligible to vote), and Democrats stuffing the ballots. That number reduces substantially when you take into account Detroit had more people vote than possible (much like Philly have 110% voter turnout for Obama last election, which ideologues like you will simply ignore, but scream if it were the other party) and all the illegals that voted (even reported in early voting in southern states, let alone California).

      You can whine that we've been duped, but it's clear from your ramblings that the liberal overlord elitists have had that blanket over your eyes for a long time. Probably from living in a liberal echo chamber...

      "brainwashed" - so much for not name calling Mr hypocrite, although you simultaneously cry victim every other comment...

      You can continue to give the what if scenarios all you want for unwritten history, as it only emphasis that you've learned absolutely nothing from this election, much like the establishment media you blindly follow. Trump has not taken office yet and I will be the first to criticize him should he not deliver. Meanwhile, the Democrats and Obama have failed and their pathetic excuse for an economic recovery and weakening America on the world stage are already on the books.

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      Do you even understand that 2.8 million more people voted for Hillary than Trump? That means there are 2.8 million more people that like Hillary better than Trump. He won the electoral votes of the Rust Belt States, by lying to the people who are already out of work and think there is hope and change. (Sound familiar?) Conservatives like your are brainwashed, you are not awake, but asleep to Trump's every lie and he is not even in office yet.

      You are asleep about him not draining the swamp, but appointing billionaire establishment people into his court. Do you really believe they are going to act in your best interest? He is not anti-establishment, but hugely, bigley, beautifully ESTABLISHMENT. (Those three adjectives are the ones Trump loves to use, or haven't you noticed that yet?)

      They are there to advantage themselves and their super rich corporations. It is trickle down economics. It didn't work under Reagan and it is not going to work now. Anybody that lies and changes their mind as much as Trump does, is simply not to be trusted. And don't tell me Obama changes his mind as much as Trump. But when you are brainwashed, it really doesn't matter. You think your lens is wide open, but it is not only narrow, but cloudy and filled with B.S. (Don't you think that is pretty poetic?)

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      I think I'll take your diagnosis about as serious as your political commentary. You consistently insult my intelligence and that of others that don't see the world through your extremely narrow lens in the liberal echo chamber that you reside in.

      BTW, anyone can use big words, but that does not mean they can articulate a coherent argument. You question our common sense and need for decency, while continuously defending a failed ideology and talking down to the rest of us from your self-absorbed podium.

      You may have enjoyed eight years of backwards nonsense, but the rest of the country is awake now and you can expect intellectual challenge to your talking points (I know, must be a shocker to you that Liberals don't hold a monopoly on intelligence). Push, cry, and tantrum all you want (you're always welcome to in my comments ;) ), we can counter all day.

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      Wild Bill and MTP: That's all you guys have are insults and misinformation. That's very smart of both of you. It really shows how intelligent you are and how stupid I am for engaging with such highly sophisticated critical thinking people.

      I'm sure both of you have extremely high IQ's and can use both sides of your brain at the same time. You are so smart you can't even see that Readmikenow was trying to analyze me and that was my reply to him.

      Both of you are suffering from cognizant dissonance that clouds your common sense and any need for decency. You are both act like third graders. Have a great laugh, maybe next time you will spit out your coffee, but no telling what else might come with it.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Wild Bill, I almost spit out my coffee.

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      readmikenow: Have you ever taken the Brigs Meyers personality test? When I worked at Toshiba, all managers had to take the this test. I'm a left brain, right brain kind of person. I'm partly analytical, but also creative. I do woodcarving, but also I can fix computers. I am an ENTJ personality type. Here is a profile of that type of personality.

      http://www.personalitypage.com/ENTJ.html

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      Readmikenow 11 months ago

      Peoplepower73 I think I understand you now. I've been trying to figure you out. I've read things you've posted. At one time I was a contract administrator. Part of my job was teaching salespeople about the company's contract. 95 percent of the time I had no problem. Then there was the 5 percent who didn't understand things no matter how I explained it. what I said, the words I used. It ended in frustration for both of us. These were also usually the most successful salespeople. A trainer told me it was because these people were emotional-based thinkers. They didn't really care about the details of the contract. They would only focus on the part of the contract that made them feel good about selling. The rest didn't matter. They could easily connect to people on an emotional level. They didn't care about the details that didn't make them feel good about selling. I imagine you are a very popular person who is well-liked by those around you. I imagine you are able to connect to people on an emotional level. I realize no matter what links I provide or what I write it also won't matter to you. It has to connect to your emotions. If it doesn't, it is bad. So, I respect your passion for what you believe. I hope you realize that Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Bill O'Reily are not journalists. They've never claimed to be journalists. They don't report stories...they provide their opinions about them. There is a big difference.

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      My Two Pennies 11 months ago from United States

      Whatever helps you sleep at night man. The CNN thing is a complete joke as they all but endorsed Hillary in the election. Anyone with a brain could not view them as a legitamate source of unbiased information. You can say what you want about Fox, but none of the cable networks are "fair and balanced" and to think so is delusional.

      As a conservative, I think it's ridiculous to even think we're more effective at engaging the left or "attacking them" (the left are the masters of identity politics, name calling, etc, so what do you mean?). Hell we didn't even engage them on their terms until recently.

      Still blaming others for Clinton's loss though I see. Can't you just admit like I will about McCain and Romney that they were horrible candadites, why can't liberals just see Hillary was garbage? It wasn't the Russians, conservatives, racists... it was arrogantly believing Hillary was going to be crowned. She's a scandle ridden liar, who offered only name calling and division during the campaign.

      But all joking aside, thanks for bringing this conversation full circle and back to the theme of my article!

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      Mike Russo 11 months ago from Placentia California

      MTP: I'm sorry, but you don't read my stuff. This is what I said on the comment before the last one "The purpose of fox news and their cohorts was and is to support the conservative agenda. Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Bill O'Reily are about as fair and balanced as one legged person without a cane.. Conservative are better at organizing and attacking than liberals.It doesn't matter whether you watch and listen to them. They have been on this quest for a long time and now Trump is just the catalysts to make it happen."

      Yes I can refute it, because on CNN they have Trump surrogates who get equal time and sometimes dominate the conversation. If you don't watch "any establishment cable media networks" how can you say CNN has made it their mission to get Hillary elected and destroy Donald Trump? If it wasn't for CNN, there is a good possibility Trump wouldn't have gotten elected. Even though Trump says he hates the main stream media, he actually loves it. They have given him millions of dollars of free air time. The main factor why Hillary lost the electoral college votes is because the polls showed that she had those rural states in the bag and she didn't campaign there. Trump was smart and concentrated his campaigns in the rural states. If people are tired of Obama's message, why are his ratings at an all time high?

      If you haven't listened to Fox news, how can you dispute what I said their mission has been. I used to listen to Mark Levin every night on the way home from work. All he talked about was Tyranny. He made itsound like Obama was going to turn on the country and its people. So he would say you better arm up because you never know when tyranny is going to happen. I've watched all those Fox players and I know how they operate. I don't care whether you watch them or not. It is my opinion based on my observations for years, ever since Reagan repealed the fairness doctrine.