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Did You Vote For Romney Because You Believed In His Policies? But, What Policies? (update See: Romney's Ironing Board)

Updated on October 9, 2016
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What are Mr. Romney's policies???

If you know Romney's policies, could you please tell the rest of us because Mr. Romney will not?

Bain Capital's off-shoring per: The policies and procedures. Mr. Romney put in place, and these are the same policies and procedures that Bain still follows today.

Do you wonder why he will not tell us what his polices are? If he had been elected, was he going to outsource America?

Romney's thoughts: You are on your own!!! If you are part of the 47%.

Dirty 'little' secret behind Bain Capital profits under Mitt Romney

Bain off-shoring victims begged Romney for help

Lying about leaving Bain Capital in 1999?

Outsourcing Sensata Technologies

Source: Dave Jamieson of the Huffington Post:

Sensata Technologies, a company in Freeport, Illinois, employees are facing losing their jobs by the end of the year, because the jobs were being out-sourced to China.

Per Dave Jamieson: "The looming plant closure has made political figures out of several Sensata employees, who have unsuccessfully pleaded with Romney to intervene with Bain and prevent the move of jobs overseas. Several of the workers have told HuffPost that they fear losing what are some of the few good manufacturing jobs that remain in the area, leaving them to start new jobs mid-career."

Source: Preston Maddock, with the Huffington Post.

Rep. Cheri Bustos (D-IL) with her guest, Dot Turner attended the State of the Union Address in February 2013, to talk about the 170 jobs at Sensata Technologies that were offshored to China last year by Bain Capital. Tyrner had worked at the plant for 43 years.

Another worker said, my pain is Romney's gain.

Romney calls out president obama on his stand on china and outsourcing

Mr. Romney at the same time he is accusing President Obama of being weak on China, Mr. Romney says he will crack down on China taking our jobs.

Is he talking about the outsourced Sensata jobs he gave China?

Is it true that Chinese workers were brought to the United States to be trained by the Sensata employees, and will then replace those employees?

Is it true that Bain Capital forced Sensata Technologies to take down the American Flag, at the time employees were forced to train the Chinese who are to replace them when Sensata is outsourced to China, even though Sensata will not leave the United States until the end of this year? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october112012/romney-us-flag-tk.php.

I wonder why Sensata was waiting until after the election to be outsourced, could Bain be thinking it would have interfeered with Romney's election?


Per: The New York Times, http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/bain-never-left-romney/#h[] Mr. Romney did profit off Sensata outsourcing.

President obama on why Mitt Romney's Bain record matters

Did Romney lie about what year he left Bain Capital?

Source: The Boston Globe, Jul 12, 2012 - The Boston Globe uncovered SEC filings, proving that Mitt Romney until 2002 was still the Sole owner, Chairman and CEO of the private equity firm, after claiming that he resigned in 1999.

Did Romney lie to the SEC and, is it a crime, if that is the case?

Or did Romney lie to the 47% that does not matter to him?

Romney's Plans to Overturn Roe Vs Wade and Planned Parenthood

Does Romney hate women so much that he is willing to shut down Planned Parenthood, even though Planned Parenthood provides Mammograms, Paps and other cancer detecting test?

Or does Romney just want to control women's health?

Romney on abortion throughout the years

Mitt Romney explains his changed position on abortion

Super Pac Monies - Will Super Pac Money Buy Your Vote?

President Obama has been criticized for taking super pac money when he spoke against it, but then has to take it himself or lose the election to the super pac's purchase of votes and their souls.

This is not a football game the stakes are to high.

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan would take us back to the days of GWB.

What excuse will Romney/Ryan use to start a new war with Iran? Will you be a part of that?

We hired President Obama to undo the damage that GWB did to our country, to fill the hole that Bush was digging for eight years and some people think he should have had it filled in his first day, month or year in office.

If it took GWB eight years to dig the hole he put us in, at least give President Obama eight to fill the hole that Bush Jr. put us in.


Q. Has Mitt Romney, (at least on the outside) cleaned up his image enought to earn your vote, should he decide to run again in 2016?

Is this still Romney's position on how he feels about the poor?

The Romney's Ironing Board. Because he has been there?

On a door in a Mansion

Sits the caviar

Ann didn't unplug the Iron

So they could dine


The sawhorses weren't to stable

Their ironing board was their table

Did they keep the horses in bedroom

Because they couldn't afford a stable?


Did they build this castle in the air

The sawhorses and Ironing board

Certainly were

Way up there


Clint Eastwood's empty chair

The Romney's could have used it there

Clint would have to move his imaginary friend

He might pinch her if Ann should sit on him


This is not the only thing that is bizarre

They kept the dog house on the car

Could they not afford a yard

But they could afford a dog or two

To make you think he is just like me and you

© 2012 Shyron E Shenko

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      Shyron E Shenko 14 months ago from Texas

      Stella, thank you for the visit and comment, I really appreciate you.

      I too will be glad when this election is over, with all the lies and mud slinging that is going on. Just like when Romney was running and he got taped saying some pretty stupid things, but unfortunately I think he believed every one, and then the treatment of his dog.

      Blessings my dear friend

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      stella vadakin 14 months ago from 3460NW 50 St Bell, Fl32619

      Hi, I am glad I do not have to listen to Romney. I am ready to get this election over. Obama, can finally stop being the scape goat for everything and maybe we can now forget about his birth place. Great Hub.

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      Shyron E Shenko 18 months ago from Texas

      Brad, I appreciate your visit to my hub and my answer is the same as it was 16 months ago.

      "Brad, I read your article "Romney back in 2012 and now in 2015" And yes I did read your article, where you chose to rebut this hub.

      No Romney did NOT divulge his policies.

      You stated that OUR President Obama was Bush bashing. I did not hear any bashing except from the tea baggers, but that is not mentioned in my hub.

      No I never mentioned John McCain or Sarah Palin in my hub!

      You mentioned Romney's 47% remark, that was in the video in Mr. Romney's own words in the video. I don't suppose you watched the video if you did not read the hub, which makes it difficult to make sense of you rebuttal if you did not read what you are rebutting.

      BTW, Romney said that he choses not to run 2016. I guess Jeb Bush will be your guy this time."

      I do agree with this part of your statement in your article and here.

      "It is never right to say

      We the party

      Instead of we the people

      Or

      By the party

      Instead of by the people

      Or

      For the party

      Instead of for the people

      Or

      Of the party

      Instead of, of the people

      What is your pick

      The party or the people?

      Brad, I vote for the person that I think will do what is best for ALL the people of the United States of America, even knowing that my vote does not count, because I live in the reddest of the red states.

      I love my country and I vote that way.

      I appreciate your visit.

      Blessings always.

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      Shyron E Shenko 18 months ago from Texas

      Paula, thank you for the comment. I think it is obvious that I did not vote for Romney, the fact that he tried to say that he is just like other people in this country, is a BOLD FACE LIE, people who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, could not possible know or understand anyone else, or care about other people. It is like our local election, the person who won our local election had a post card sent to the voters that stated all lies about the other side and when the other side did not refute it, only 5,000 out of 45,000 voted.

      God Bless you Paula for voting, no matter who you vote for.

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      Shyron E Shenko 18 months ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you so much for the comment, compliment and sharing.

      I think that voters are to self absorbed that if the election does not change the status of their lives they blindly follow the lead Lemming over the cliff, then they say "They are all the same, so why should I vote?" Then they say Hillary must be a crook because, Trump keeps calling her crooked Hillary, but he kept calling Ted Cruz lying Ted until he was out of the race, then Trump said "he is no longer lying Ted."

      I hear how Trump wants to make America great again, but I would like to ask Mr. Trump, 'when did America stop being great???' And by whose standards? The self serving filthy rich who want to RULE the country and want to tear it down so they can say they built it up? When is actuality AMERICA NEVER STOPPED BEING GREAT! We just have the blowhard trying to tell us that he is going to make America great again. Trump must think that the President has some power, LOL.

      Blessings and hugs dear friend.

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      bradmasterOCcal 18 months ago from Orange County California

      Here is my conclusion from the hub on Romney that you said you read.

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      Conclusion

      Look to changing the loyal party voter to an independent intelligent thinker not loyal to their party, but to their country and we can move the country forward.

      At this point, the loyal party voter will do the same thing in 2016, and we will get the same historic results of the past one hundred plus years.

      That is treating the political parties like the hometown sports team.

      Insanity can be defined as doing the same thing, but expecting different results. This kind of insanity has been king in the US for the last one hundred plus years.

      One remedy to cure this insanity for 2016 is for the voters to take back their constitutional powers from the parties.

      It is never right to say

      We the party

      Instead of we the people

      Or

      By the party

      Instead of by the people

      Or

      For the party

      Instead of for the people

      Or

      Of the party

      Instead of of the people

      What is your pick

      The party or the people?

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      Paula 18 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      I did not vote for Romney. I didn't like his policies. More importantly, I simply don't like him~~at all. I didn't even talk much about the campaign back then nor discuss who I liked or intended to vote for. When I finally admitted not voting for Romney, I took a lot of flack. Fortunately for me, I'm not perturbed with the attitudes of others when it comes to politics. I just remind them we're all free to vote as we choose!.

      This time? Don't ask. I am one very discouraged, disgusted American.

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      C E Clark 18 months ago from North Texas

      Isn't it strange how Republican candidates never have an policies or ideas about how to do anything or what they would do if elected, yet their supporters demand that the Democratic candidate spell his/hers out. Trump always says we'll figure it out later, but people right here on HP demand that Hillary explain hers right now.

      Maybe Republicans think building a wall on our southern border, making Mexico pay for it, AND making America great again is a strategy?

      I disagree with someone who said it's reached a point where Trump's candidacy is no longer a laughing matter. I think it is. Laughing is one of the best things for one's emotional and physical health, so if Trump is elected maybe the country will become healthier? SNL will NEVER run out of material.

      When all this is over I think the GOP will have to regroup and start again -- if there's anything left of it.

      Sharing. Hope you're in a cool place. Take care dear friend.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Brad, I read your article "Romney back in 2012 and now in 2015" And yes I did read your article, where you chose to rebut this hub.

      No Romney did NOT divulge his policies.

      You stated that OUR President Obama was Bush bashing. I did not hear any bashing except from the tea baggers, but that is not mentioned in my hub.

      No I never mentioned John McCain or Sarah Palin in my hub!

      You mentioned Romney's 47% remark, that was in the video in Mr. Romney's own words in the video. I don't suppose you watched the video if you did not read the hub, which makes it difficult to make sense of you rebuttal if you did not read what you are rebutting.

      BTW, Romney said that he choses not to run 2016. I guess Jeb Bush will be your guy this time.

      I do appreciate your visits, thank you.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Brad, I never said only Republicans manipulate people. However, I did say that people are manipulated and so ignorant and/or against psychology that they don't even realize they're being manipulated by big business and government. Yes, it's been going on for decades, but even you don't seem to understand anything about psychology. In fact it seems as if you still have stars in your eyes and imagine perfection is possible if only everyone does things your way. You say you know people are being manipulated, but you have no idea how it's being done, which makes you, like most people, a sitting duck to be manipulated. If it didn't work the powers that be would stop doing it and do something else that did work instead.

      Are you out of high school yet? Seriously, you seem to have this idea of creating a paradise if only people will vote for the person instead of the party. I noticed you objected to this article saying Ms. Shyron was only talking about Mitt the person. Are you for the person or not? Either you favor the person or the party, those are the only 2 choices.

      You seem to live your life by assumption. Is that in order to fit in or what? Never assume you know what I or anyone else is thinking. Assumptions are wrong at least 80% of the time. Personally, I think they're wrong except maybe 1% of the time.

      I won't answer your ramblings because they are just that, and make no sense in regard to what I wrote. It's your lack of understanding of psychology for starters, that prevents you from understanding what I was talking about.

      I find it interesting that someone who insists he is not a Republican jumps to the defense of Mitt Romney -- a man for whom there is no defense. You say he wants to help poor people? Wants to help them get out of their poverty? Is that why he stole the retirement funds of all those Bain Capital employees? Especially the ones who were just about to retire and depend on those funds? He actually helped himself to their money and then they were suddenly forced into poverty by Mitt and his buds.

      What can anyone say to a person who feels the need to defend a someone like Mitt Romney. Is it his theft of Bain Capital employees you so admire, or the way he treated his dog? If you're not a Republican why would you admire anything at all about Mitt Romney?

      You don't have to be a member of any party to vote in most states. I don't think I've ever known a card carrying member of either major party.

      If you support a party or their candidates with your money and/or your votes and your rhetoric, you are essentially, for all intents and purposes, one of them. If you quack like a duck and waddle like a duck, honey, you IS a duck. You're quacking the Republican lines everytime you open your mouth (tap your keyboard).

      People rarely change their basic values and beliefs, another reason I think you're still in high school. You seem to think Romney is some sort of warm cuddly thing since his last major political loss. He's still a Republican and there is nothing at all humanitarian about any Republican. Sometimes they give a little of their excess for appearances sake, but none of them really give a damn about people. If they did they wouldn't keep voting against healthcare and food stamps for poor people -- included among those are our active troops and veterans. Republicans hate all public assistance and in fact want to do away with Social Security. If they had their way every tax penny would go for war and nothing else. War is the only thing you never hear them complain about paying taxes to support.

      Hope you'll understand if I draw a line on our discussion here, but I really have to get on with my life. No time to write books on this subject. Since you don't understand what I'm talking about it's sort of a waste of time anyway, wouldn't you agree?

      Take care . . .

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Shyron

      Thanks, you made my point, so I am moving on.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Hi Brad,

      A Pocket Veto: “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.” ____Article I, Section 7, Clause 2

      What do I see as the biggest problem? You asked? Greed!

      My suggested solution: Disband the Electoral College, and Gerrymandering; set term limits (like the Senate and Congress can on have two terms in office). To set a Term limit for Supreme Court Judges and the Judges should not be allowed to choose Our president. (George W. Bush did not win that election. The people voted for Al Gore), You don't remember that or were you to young?

      To continue, limit campaign contributions so that may not be bought; That would be a beginning.

      Until, the loyal party voters choose the best person, you say? But then you would proceed to tell me who the best person is, and you haven't that right. I vote for who I believe is the best choice as is my right and yours.

      As for as up-dating my hub? I will when the time is right, in my own time.

      Have a blessed day!

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Shyron

      you wrote

      Actually brad, when the President signs a BILL, that is when it becomes a law.

      Who actually writes bill and how they get passed is not that simple. When someone drafts a bill and presents it to a Congressman or Senator it is assigned to an OLC (Office of Legislative Counsel (OLC or “Leg Counsel”) according to their expertise, to write the legal jargon, OLCs works with all Congress and Senate members, regardless of party.

      Once there is a final draft, it will probably be vetted with trusted experts and organizations that have an interest in the issue. It is always true that those actually affected by the legislation will troubleshoot its potential positive and adverse effects better than one staffer. Sometimes suggestions, especially by professional advocates (i.e. lobbyists), are offered in the form of legislative language or line edits to proposed language.

      bcOC-----------------

      The law can go into effect even without the president's signature, which is a pocket veto, that enough votes in congress can still pass. The congress is the legislative branch, notwithstanding the use of Executive Orders by the president.

      So what does that have to do with Romney and what are his politices from two years ago?

      President Obama didn't stick with his Senator Obama plan, but we didn't find out until two years ago.

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      you wrote

      After a bill has been vetted and the house member agrees to introduce it, a printed copy is signed by the member and it finds its way to the “Hopper” .

      If you want to know who actually puts pen to paper, it’s nonpartisan staff lawyers who work for Congress who know the existing law they are affecting inside out. They do that under the direction of office staff for Members of Congress and congressional committees, who vet the bill with outside experts and advocates. Sometimes those advocates (i.e. lobbyists) propose changes in the form of legislative language. But did they write the bill? Probably not.

      bmOC----------------------

      Still has nothing to do with the president, although it is the two political parties that come up with the laws.

      From the “Hopper” if the bill is big enough it goes to the house for a vote and if it passes it goes on to the Senate and if it passes, (this is before the president ever sees the bill).

      bmOC--------------

      So what is your issue, I am not sure that I understand it?

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      you wrote

      The hub is still relevant in that it portrays the man Romney as he is and not as he pretends to be. This Leopard cannot change his spots, just because he want to be this country's dictator.

      bmOC-------------

      Your information is two years old, and not really relevant to 2016.

      If anyone is a dictator it is President Obama, and the three issue that you cite for Romney are not the real important issues of the country today.

      Both parties and all the congresses and presidents have failed the country since the 1980s, and that is why the country is declining. The two parties moved the country to the left and right and back and forth, and not forward, but sometimes backwards.

      2008 happened because both parties were in para delicto. Blaiming either party is futile as it doesn't change the way the parties fail in congress and the presidency.

      Until, the loyal party voters choose the best person without regard to their party, the country will continue to spiral down/

      The goals of each party are diametrically opposed and that makes bipartisanship in congress impossible.

      What do you see as the biggest problem, and what is your suggested solution?

      Thanks

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Actually brad, when the President signs a BILL, that is when it becomes a law.

      Who actually writes bill and how they get passed is not that simple. When someone drafts a bill and presents it to a Congressman or Senator it is assigned to an OLC (Office of Legislative Counsel (OLC or “Leg Counsel”) according to their expertise, to write the legal jargon, OLCs works with all Congress and Senate members, regardless of party.

      Once there is a final draft, it will probably be vetted with trusted experts and organizations that have an interest in the issue. It is always true that those actually affected by the legislation will troubleshoot its potential positive and adverse effects better than one staffer. Sometimes suggestions, especially by professional advocates (i.e. lobbyists), are offered in the form of legislative language or line edits to proposed language.

      After a bill has been vetted and the house member agrees to introduce it, a printed copy is signed by the member and it finds its way to the “Hopper” .

      If you want to know who actually puts pen to paper, it’s nonpartisan staff lawyers who work for Congress who know the existing law they are affecting inside out. They do that under the direction of office staff for Members of Congress and congressional committees, who vet the bill with outside experts and advocates. Sometimes those advocates (i.e. lobbyists) propose changes in the form of legislative language. But did they write the bill? Probably not.

      From the “Hopper” if the bill is big enough it goes to the house for a vote and if it passes it goes on to the Senate and if it passes, (this is before the president ever sees the bill).

      The hub is still relevant in that it portrays the man Romney as he is and not as he pretends to be. This Leopard cannot change his spots, just because he want to be this country's dictator.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Au Fait

      part2

      you wrote

      I didn't make the system the way it is. You sound as if you think I did. I've voted for people in both parties over the years as well as Independents. It's the guys with the gold who make the rules and they utilize whatever works to get their way. If it wasn't political parties it would be something else. It isn't voters, Republicans, or Democrats who are the root of the problem. Most of them are standing in line just like you, imagining that they got to have their say, and now they're drunk with happiness 'til next time . . . you could stay home and talk to the wall or the mirror and somebody might actually listen.

      bmOC

      I was never talking about you, I was talking about the problem, and my focus is the loyal party voters. I don't stand in line.

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      you wrote

      The world isn't the perfect place you seem to want to believe it is and neither is this country the perfect country so many people want to believe it is.

      bmOC

      When did I ever give that impression?

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      you wrote

      Nothing is simple. Just as the ocean can't be defined by it's surface, not much else can either.

      bmOC--------------

      We know a lot more than the surface of our government, congress and the president, but that hasn't helped because it is the loyal party voters that only see the surface, and that surface is the party line.

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      you wrote

      There's a lot below the surface, things you couldn't even imagine until you actually see them for yourself, and you'll never know about them until you dig in for a while.

      bmOC------------------------

      I don't know how you got that impression.

      And nothing in your comments gives any of these buried problems, nor any suggested solutions.

      These comments are not intended to be personal at all, so I hope that you don't take them personally. We are just discussing issues here.

      My initial comment was on the hub focusing on Romney, and my point is that we have problems now, and focusing on two years from now hides the problems we have today.

      At this point I don't seem to understand your opinion, and that is my fault. Sorry.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Au Fait

      you wrote

      Government and big business manipulate people constantly and most people know so little about psychology that they aren't even aware they're being manipulated.

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      That kind of manipulation is done in many places, and it is not the exclusive domain of the republicans. Again, it is the loyal party voter that allow both parties to put loyalty before intelligence.

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      I don't think people who are party loyal are the root of the problem. I don't think they're loyalty matters anymore than their vote matters, regardless of party. I know that both parties require loyalty from their members, especially their members who hold office or they will and have many times in the past, spent hard raised money to run them off.

      bmOC

      There is no amount of money that could run off voters that show their loyalty to the country rather than the party. I believe you made the argument here that voters are throwing away their votes. And you believe that there is no viable way to change the existing system. That is only true as long as the voters are loyal to their party.

      A change would take several elections, in order to purge the incumbents that make the party powerful at the expense of the country.

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      you wrote

      I think the people who run the parties have enough money and clout that they don't need voters. Voters are funny. They make such a big deal out of voting and how anyone who didn't vote should just sit down and shut up, etc.

      bmOC---------------

      I agree with your statements, but the voters could change all this by not registering with the same party. The party cashes in their vote when they register. Then they figure out how many loyal voters there are in the other party. They use some math algorithms and determine how many votes from the independent voters they need for their candidate to win. You see it in the presidential elections with the swing states. The winning of the presidential election is then determined by a few independent votes. That is because the voting board is set at registration time. Of course, not all the party registered voters will vote Row A or Row B for their party, but the bulk of them will do it. This difference between the registered party voters and the number that will actually knee jerk the ballot box The voters that voted for the losing candidate no longer have representation in the elected position. The reason is that both parties don't agree on most things, so they certainly don't beleive in the goals of the other party.

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      you wrote

      Well, the powers that be know that these people will be controllable if they are allowed to vote. I have even had several of them say to me, "My vote may not count but at least I had my say and let them know what I think, etc." Yup, you did, and now you're going to get back in line like all the others and bend over and give them only a few whiney complaints now and then and that's the end of it. They'll do what they want no matter what you think or how you vote. In a few months or years you will do it all over again -- go to the polls and have your say and then get back in line and bend over, etc.

      bmOC

      I agree, but if the number of voters became disloyal to the party, the party would have to catered to their wishes. The problem is that most voters are sheep.

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      you wrote

      They have figured out that letting you vote will keep you under control and out of their way. They don't care how you vote or for whom, it's just a sham to keep you from getting rowdy and causing real problems -- and it works! You good voters will put up with any amount of crap with only a whimper of complaint now and then and that means no inconvenience for the powers that be. They solved the problem of keeping you in line by simply letting you go through the farce of voting. Wouldn't it be great if we could modify that tactic just a little and keep people from committing murder? It does prevent mobs and riots in the streets over political and social issues.

      bmOC

      I agree, and once again the solution is to make the party work for your vote, and not give loyalty to the party. Every voter that is outside of the two parties is the target for both parties. But, voters are born into their party, and their religion, and most don't change during their lifetime. That is the problem, and the problem is the people. If the people don't change then there will be no change for the better in the government.

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      The parties are powerful because of the money they have and because of who they are. They would be running things a different way if they couldn't utilize political parties for their purposes.

      bmOC

      The parties are powerful because of the powers that the voters give them. All the money is used to entice voters, and it is like giving candy to a baby.

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      But if you feel like voting for the person (who does what the party tells him/her to do if s/he wants to keep his/her job) rather than the party makes a difference, and it will keep you in line and not causing trouble for the powers that be, then just keep doing it. Everyone has their own personal soma that keeps them from seeing what's really happening -- or caring.

      bmOC

      I totally lost you on this one.

      I think that you need to read some of my hubs on the subject because none of your statement applies to me.

      Your statement appears to have no solution at all?

      If the person that you vote for wins, but then doesn't do what they proposed to do, then don't reelect them. Incumbents that nest in congress are the threats to the country and the voters, it is their power that is the party power.

      Reelection should be based on what they do in office, and not their party affiliation, or their new promises. Especially if they haven't completed their original promises.

      Thanks

      I didn't make the system the way it is. You sound as if you think I did. I've voted for people in both parties over the years as well as Independents. It's the guys with the gold who make the rules and they utilize whatever works to get their way. If it wasn't political parties it would be something else. It isn't voters, Republicans, or Democrats who are the root of the problem. Most of them are standing in line just like you, imagining that they got to have their say, and now they're drunk with happiness 'til next time . . . you could stay home and talk to the wall or the mirror and somebody might actually listen.

      The world isn't the perfect place you seem to want to believe it is and neither is this country the perfect country so many people want to believe it is. Nothing is simple. Just as the ocean can't be defined by it's surface, not much else can either. There's a lot below the surface, things you couldn't even imagine until you actually see them for yourself, and you'll never know about them until you dig in for a while.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      John, So good to see you again my friend. We all know that Mitt is going to run again, no matter what Ann says. Rand Paul is going to run, no matter what anybody says, and the list is growing by leaps and bounds. This is going to be a real interesting year.

      Thank you for the link.

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Government and big business manipulate people constantly and most people know so little about psychology that they aren't even aware they're being manipulated.

      I don't think people who are party loyal are the root of the problem. I don't think they're loyalty matters anymore than their vote matters, regardless of party. I know that both parties require loyalty from their members, especially their members who hold office or they will and have many times in the past, spent hard raised money to run them off.

      I think the people who run the parties have enough money and clout that they don't need voters. Voters are funny. They make such a big deal out of voting and how anyone who didn't vote should just sit down and shut up, etc.

      Well, the powers that be know that these people will be controllable if they are allowed to vote. I have even had several of them say to me, "My vote may not count but at least I had my say and let them know what I think, etc." Yup, you did, and now you're going to get back in line like all the others and bend over and give them only a few whiney complaints now and then and that's the end of it. They'll do what they want no matter what you think or how you vote. In a few months or years you will do it all over again -- go to the polls and have your say and then get back in line and bend over, etc.

      They have figured out that letting you vote will keep you under control and out of their way. They don't care how you vote or for whom, it's just a sham to keep you from getting rowdy and causing real problems -- and it works! You good voters will put up with any amount of crap with only a whimper of complaint now and then and that means no inconvenience for the powers that be. They solved the problem of keeping you in line by simply letting you go through the farce of voting. Wouldn't it be great if we could modify that tactic just a little and keep people from committing murder? It does prevent mobs and riots in the streets over political and social issues.

      The parties are powerful because of the money they have and because of who they are. They would be running things a different way if they couldn't utilize political parties for their purposes.

      But if you feel like voting for the person (who does what the party tells him/her to do if s/he wants to keep his/her job) rather than the party makes a difference, and it will keep you in line and not causing trouble for the powers that be, then just keep doing it. Everyone has their own personal soma that keeps them from seeing what's really happening -- or caring.

      I didn't make the system the way it is. You sound as if you think I did. I've voted for people in both parties over the years as well as Independents. It's the guys with the gold who make the rules and they utilize whatever works to get their way. If it wasn't political parties it would be something else. It isn't voters, Republicans, or Democrats who are the root of the problem. Most of them are standing in line just like you, imagining that they got to have their say, and now they're drunk with happiness 'til next time . . . you could stay home and talk to the wall or the mirror and somebody might actually listen.

      The world isn't the perfect place you seem to want to believe it is and neither is this country the perfect country so many people want to believe it is. Nothing is simple. Just as the ocean can't be defined by it's surface, not much else can either. There's a lot below the surface, things you couldn't even imagine until you actually see them for yourself, and you'll never know about them until you dig in for a while.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Au Fait

      So is your answer that nothing can be done.

      If so, then we don't need to vote.

      The parties are only as powerful as we make them.

      The loyal party voter is the root problem because they allow the party to have power over them.

      Forget about the People

      We the People

      By the People, For the People, and Of the People

      No where is people to be replaced by Party.

      Thanks

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Afraid I have to disagree with Brad above. The two main parties are so powerful that an awful lot of long time members would have to be ousted from the party (not all are elected officials) before change can be accomplished. In the meantime, the party dictates what elected politicians will do or they won't keep their office for long. The Party has many times over the years and will continue to spend hard raised money to remove any of it's members who don't tow the line. So in fact you do vote for the party because it doesn't matter who the candidate is or what they personally believe. They will do what they're told or else.

      Sharing this again. Hope all is well and that you got to enjoy this beautiful day aside from pouring concrete.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Shyron

      Thank you brad, I made no reference to passing laws in this hub. And I am aware that the Congress writes laws and presents them to the President who can sign or veto them.

      bmOC ------ You implied a reference when you said what he was going to do if he was president back in 2008, but now it is 2015. In addition the issues that you chose weren't that critical. And he couldn't do it by himself.

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      As far as needing to update this hub, it is still relevant because this man is planning to run for a third term for president.

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      Running for a third try is another reason to get the current facts, that are relevant today.

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      Whatever your party affiliation is of no importance to me, you will have to live with your choices, just as I must live with mine.

      bmOC-----------------

      Both parties are the problem, and I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person. Right now I am living with someone else choice, and two more years to go.

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      It is really going to be an interesting race for the 2016 election

      bmOC-------------------

      It is not going to be any different than any election that we have had in the last one hundred years. The election won't change anything, no matter which party candidates win. The voters needs to escape their party loyalty, and vote for the best person. Until they do that and not reelect incumbents just based on their party, the country won't change for the better.

      It is through the efforts of both parties that the US is declining, and the reason why we had a 2008 great recession. Both parties failed.

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      johnwindbell 2 years ago from - the land of beards and buggies

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Thank you brad, I made no reference to passing laws in this hub. And I am aware that the Congress writes laws and presents them to the President who can sign or veto them.

      As far as needing to update this hub, it is still relevant because this man is planning to run for a third term for president.

      Whatever your party affiliation is of no importance to me, you will have to live with your choices, just as I must live with mine.

      It is really going to be an interesting race for the 2016 elections.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Shyron

      I doubt reading this hub could have been confused with another.

      My point is that your information is old, and it needs to be updated.

      In politics there is no such thing as Truth.

      But it is a fact that the congress passes the laws, even though some presidents think that is their job.

      You might also consider why Senator Obama and then President Obama thought that an old white dude was a better choice than Senator Hillary Clinton? The Republicans offered a women VP and the democrats made a mockery of having a women VP. And that spilled over to bypassing Hillary.

      Secretary of State is not the same as VP.

      If you read my hubs you would know that I am not for either party, and I blame both parties for the problems.

      I don't particularly want Hillary to be the President, as I think that she has nothing to bring to the office.

      I don't want to see another Bush in the office either.

      What I would like to see is voters dumping their party loyalty, and stop treating their party as a hometown sports team. Pick the best candidate regardless of the party. Unfortunately, the history of elections show that in most cases, it would be choosing the lesser of two evils.

      Also, if an incumbent has not been successful, then don't reelect them. If they blame it on the other party, then still don't reelect them because they failed to cross the aisle and compromise.

      Thanks

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      brad, thank you for the comment.

      Can't figure out how to update the truth.

      I don't know what decisions I mentioned, I would appreciate if you would point them out. Perhaps you have this hub confused with some other one that you read.

      Anyway, thank you for stopping by.

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      Shyron E Shenko 2 years ago from Texas

      Au fait, thank you for the comment as always my dear friend. I can't wait to find out who is running. Christie will get even with Jeb and Mitt for even thinking of running as for the Canadian, he may try or maybe not after the stuttering try at rebutting the State of the Union address. It will be interesting that is for sure.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Maybe you might consider to update this hub.

      BTW, it is congress and not the president that makes the decisions that you mentioned in the hub.

      just a thought

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      C E Clark 2 years ago from North Texas

      Maybe the 3rd time around we'll find out what he didn't know before. Maybe he'll have completed his ideas and plans for the future. Read today Chris Christie is throwing his hat in the ring also -- the plot thickens. Jeb, Mitt, and Chris. Will the Canadian give it a try too?

      Hope you both had the opportunity to enjoy our pretty day today.

      Sharing.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Au fait thank you for the comment, up-votes and for sharing.

      I really don't know anything about Mike Pence, so...I will have to do some digging for info on him. If he is anything like Mr. Romney, I just hope he does not try to make us believe that the only dining table he could afford is an ironing board.

      Blessings my dear friend.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      If Romney runs AGAIN in 2016, maybe he will finally have some policies to flaunt. He's had 4 more years to think of some. He'll want to watch out for Mike Pence of Indiana. Is there really much difference between the 2?

      Vote up and interesting . . also shared.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      I agree with you. You should hear the things the crazy person says on the radio. You would not believe your ears.

      Thank you for your votes up, pinning, and sharing.

      It is 103.3°F at this moment. John is outside he can't quit.

      Hope it is cool in your apartment.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      I think Republicans have only one policy and it doesn't matter which Republican it is. Pay no taxes and as a result mooch off the working class, and starve everyone who doesn't have at least a million bucks in the bank.

      Voted up and AI. Pinned to AH and shared. Hope you'll have good day today. It's to be 98 degrees F., so stay in.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      Joe, Romney had no plans period. He was running on his inflated ego.

      Thank you for your comments, they are really appreciated.

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      Joe 3 years ago from north miami FL

      Couldn't vote for Romney just thought he was the wrong guy, honestly, except his stance to aid Israel I wasn't behind one thing he planned to do.

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      Shyron E Shenko 3 years ago from Texas

      pstraubie48, thank you for the sending Angels my way, and they will come right back to, to watch over you everyday.

      We listen to all the candidates, to all the truths, lies and half truths. So..I know what you mean about what he says not ringing true.

      Once he said that when he first go married that he and his wift lived in a basement apartment (my husband really got a good laugh out of this one) and they could not afford to buy furniture, so they used an iorning board as a dining room table. If anyone believes, we could make a fortune selling iorning boards.

      Mr. Romney does not know the meaning of afford.

      The circus has already started to look for the strange people to display.

      Thank you pstraubie48 for your comments. I really appreciate the Angels you sent and I appreciate you my friend.

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      Thanks, Shyron, for sharing this ...I usually do not respond to political posts whether I am pro or con. But Mitt just never seemed to 'ring true' (not that any of them ever due) any time I heard him. I get a basic sense of insincerity from him..it just seems to be a vibe he gives off.

      I consider it a privilege to be able to vote but it seems it has almost turned into a colossal joke. All the money that is wasted to get elected could be used for some wonderful causes.

      I guess you see you touched a nerve :D

      Angels are on the way to you again this morning. ps

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      Shyron E Shenko 4 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Glenda for you comment.

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      Glenda Jacks 4 years ago

      I did vote for this man.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thanks again Au fait, I don't think Romney told anyone what he will do other than repeal Obama Care, Close Planned Parenthood, Close EPA.

      and still people are voting for romney.

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      C E Clark 5 years ago from North Texas

      Other than backing Israel if they decide to go into Iran, I have not heard a single thing regarding what Romney will do if he is elected. Nothing substantive, just generalities.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you Au Fait, I know you are right. I am also a political junkie, and I know that ever since Medicare, and Social Security was put in place, the Republican Presidents all have been trying to abolish it.

      Hubby had a Republican friend bet him a steak dinner that things were going to be better under GWB. Hubby won the bet, but the friend never comes around any more.

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      C E Clark 5 years ago from North Texas

      Having been steeped in politics for many years and thus being a political junkie, I have been seriously looking for an explanation of the things Romney intends to try to do, but have found no explanations anywhere.

      I say intends to do, because the president can't do very much without the approval of Congress regardless of which Party he belongs to. In any case, there has been no explanation or description of any kind from Romney as to what he intends to do if he becomes president.

      I expect Romney, if he becomes president, like the other presidents (of both Parties) in recent times, will do what his Party tells him to do. So if you can find a copy of the Republican Party platform somewhere, you will then know what Romney is going to be working to accomplish.

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      Shyron E Shenko 5 years ago from Texas

      Thank you, Au fait for your comments, you are so right, but even worse that those things you mentioned, it looks like Romney has bought the votes he needs to OWN the White House.

      http://truth-out.org/news/item/12204-does-the-romn...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasfm_fTuyQ

      When I read this one I became ill. Then I read the one above and found out this is true.

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      C E Clark 5 years ago from North Texas

      It's rumored that Romney will cut out a lot of the mortgage interest credits homeowners currently get along with cutting more on education. Cut anymore on education and kids will be teaching themselves 50 or more to a classroom.

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      C E Clark 5 years ago from North Texas

      Agree that Romney has given no specifics whatever on what he plans to do if elected. Most of his investments are in China and he has in fact sent lots of jobs over there.

      I like to read about Romney's and Ryans escapades on Forbes. I think there is no conservative that is more conservative than Steve Forbes and if he doesn't like Romney, well . . .

      To read about how Ryan recently crashed a soup kitchen to use it for a photo opportunity where he and his family faked assisting the needy, read Forbes.com rendition of the event.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/10/16/r...